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be used as a political pawn in a political partisan game is something that is beneath contempt. i yield back, mr. speaker. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas. mr. sessions: mr. speaker, the eason why judicial watch received the information they did in an unredacted basis is because there are criminal penalties associated with that act. those criminal penalties do not exist in the congressional inquiry. the administration is simply taking advantage of that and they know that. and so do all members of congress. this administration was playing games. they're taking advantage of the structure which has been established in the relationship of trying to have the three co-exist.f government
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. that's where the speaker said enough is enough. when we recognize that the documents we're getting which are heavily redacted did not could he inside or agree -- coincide or agree with because they asked for it under foia, which has criminal penalties associated with it which meant that those lawyers knew exactly what they were doing and could be held to that criminal penalty point. but in providing them to congress, they would just redact it and then claim might security and we not ever know the difference. we're not stupid. 've been deliberate, we've
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been cautious, we've stayed after it, but redax after redax -- redaction after redaction and trying to lead us down a path is exactly where this administration has been and they deserve what they're getting. they are the ones that brought this to congress. we are simply properly carefully responding. mr. speaker, at this time i'd like to yield two minutes to the gentleman from the foreign affairs committee, the gentleman from new jersey, mr. smith. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from new jersey is recognized for two minutes. mr. smith: i thank the gentleman for bringing this important legislation forward. and also to congressman frank wolf which has been tenacious in insisting there is a select committee. there are serious gaps, we all know it and the people who lost their lives, who died unnecessarily, their loved ones and the american people deserve to know the truth about benghazi. you know, when secretary clinton came before the foreign affairs committee, i asked her point blank, you have said, madam secretary, that you take
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full responsibility, so i asked her, how do you define full responsibility? she defines it from the day of d all that preceded benghazi is precluded in that definition. despite the fact there was one cable after another suggesting there was serious gaps in security, all of that seemed to have not made its way to either her or her senior staff, that is a very, very much of a lack of attention to detail and that needs to be -- light needs to be brought to that. i asked the two -- two of the people who headed up the a.r.b., the accountability review board, why they did not interview secretary clinton. they had no good answer. i asked them twice, no good answer. back in 1998 when we got hit in nairobi, i chaired the hearings of the accountability review board and we looked painstakingly at all the gaps that existed and i wrote the
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secure embassy construction of 1999. there was lessons learned. those lessons were not applied the way they should have been to benghazi. again, requests were made for help. we still don't know the truth. the new select committee will leave no stone unturned. it will get answered. again, those who died, their loved ones and the american people deserve to know the truth. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady from new york. ms. slaughter: mr. speaker, may i inquire if my colleague has nor requests for time? mr. sessions: in fact i do. ms. slaughter: you do. then i reserve. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman reserves the balance of her time. the gentleman from texas. mr. sessions: thank you very much, mr. speaker. if i could inquire back to the gentlewoman, are you through with your speakers? you expect to close? ms. slaughter: i am. mr. sessions: mr. speaker, i'd like to yield to one of the newest members of congress, the tampa bay, om florida, the gentleman,
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congressman jolly, two minutes. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from florida is recognized for two minutes. mr. jolly: thank you, mr. speaker. i rise in support of this resolution, a resolution necessitated today by a crisis and trust, a crisis in trust between this congress and this administration. this body has the article 1 constitutional authority to provide oversight over the administration, an authority that has been repeatedly ignored by this administration. and ignored with an audacity rarely seen in modern politics. today with this resolution, we confront that audacity. here are the facts, mr. speaker. we have a president that rules by pen and a phone. we have an attorney general that selectively enforces laws when he wishes to and which states he wishes to. we have a veterans affairs administration who is withholding documents about the death of veterans. we have agencies that legislate by regulation and we have an i.r.s. that has targeted organizations and refuses to testify about it. so is it any surprise that last week additional information comes to light about benghazi? no, it is not. this administration has kept information from this congress, and they have refused to recognize the gravity of this
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obstructionism. they've done so in the context of a loss of american lives and a loss of life that is personal for a family in my district. that family deserves answers. so, yes, we have a crisis in ust between this congress and this administration, but this is not political theater. this has not been brought upon this house by this side of the aisle. this has been brought upon this house by the stone walling of the administration. it is a rightful execution and proper execution of the article 1 oversight authority of this congress. i urge my colleagues to support this resolution. thank you very much. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas. mr. sessions: mr. speaker, thank you very much. mr. speaker, at this time i'd like to yield three minutes to the government and oversight committee, the gentleman from florida, chairman mica. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from florida is cognized for three minutes. mr. mica: mr. speaker and my colleagues, i'm going to ask a couple questions. first of all, i have to give a disclaimer that i was one of the members on this side of the
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aisle that did not favor a select committee. i actually took my name off of the request from mr. wolf and i thought we could handle this manner in regular order. four committees proceeded to investigate the matter. i'm the senior member of the -- chief investigative panel of congress. i've been through many investigations. i've never in my life seen the stone walling -- stonewalling, i've never seen the contempt for congress displayed by this administration and then last week to make a mockery of the entire system we saw from an outside party getting information that four committees of congress had never received and requested. i have never seen anything like this. why are we doing this? the other side has brought
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this. the administration has brought this upon themselves. let me ask a fundamental question. what difference does it make? what difference does it make? i want you to tell that to the state department employees who every day go to work, sometimes put their life at risk. four american officials were killed, murdered and no one's been held accountable. no one's been brought to justice, and to have an official come before committee of congress and say, what difference does it make, ask that to the families of the state department, people who work for the american people. what difference does it make? ask the military. oh, there's no evidence of order to stand down, but we know our military had the
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ability to save those americans . we know that the state department had the ability to keep those americans safe, and no one acted. what difference does it make? what difference does it make to those four families? what difference does it make? we don't have to investigate anything. we don't have to hold anyone accountable. no one died in watergate. four american officials lost their lives, and under our systems, individuals, whether it's the secretary of the state or the president of the united states or any official at any level needs to be and must be held accountable and responsible under our system. otherwise, we make a mockery of this whole business of a government of and for and by the people. mr. sessions: i give the
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gentleman one additional minute. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one additional minute. mr. mica: what difference does it make? people were asleep at the switch. they need to be held accountable, again, regardless of rank. this is the united states of america. this is the congress. people sent us here. they are out there trying to make a living, provide for their families, pay their taxes . they sent us here to keep this government responsible, accountable. what difference does it make? it makes a great deal of difference, not only to the men and women of the state department, our united states military, the families of those slain, but it makes a big difference to the people of the united states who sent us here to keep this a responsible government and accountable no matter who must be held
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responsible or accountable. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: does the gentlelady from new york continue to reserve? ms. slaughter: i do as long as my colleague has speakers. mr. sessions: mr. speaker, thank you very much. we are now through with our speakers. i'll close so the gentlewoman may proceed. ms. slaughter: i'll close. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady from new york is recognized for the balance of the time which is 9 1/2 minutes. ms. slaughter: how much? the speaker pro tempore: 9 1/2 minutes. ms. slaughter: i think probably the best way for me to close is another vote from a man who is fast becoming my favorite member of the house of representatives, congressman buck mckeon, republican chair of the armed services committee. he said to the associated press on april 10 last month, quote, i think i've pretty well been satisfied that given where the troops were how quickly the thing all happened and how
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we kly it dissipated, probably could not have done more than we did. at some point we think we'll have as much of the story we're going to get and move on. mr. mckeon, it is long past time for us to move on. i really appreciate so much hearing from mr. connolly, the statement from ambassador stevens' family, and i've heard it before. and the eloquence which they talked about him. remember, he had been there in benghazi, basically been there for the day. and everybody said and all the things i read, he was the kind of man, he spoke the language, he wanted to be out with the people. he would not want to be behind the walls of compound. and he knew what he was doing and he made his choices. but the thing that rang so strongly with me was the one thing they said he would not have wanted was to become a
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political pawn. and that's exactly what we're making of ambassador stevens and the other three americans who died in that tragic event. without any question we are also causing once again to those four families, people who oved them most, grievous hardship to try to deal with all this again and it's being done for politics, it's being done to raise money. and so i want to close to paraphrase another great american at another time and ask the majority, have you no shame? at long last, have you no shame? i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady yields back her time. the gentleman from texas is recognized for the balance of his time, seven minutes. mr. sessions: mr. speaker, thank you very much, and i do want to thank the gentlewoman
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from new york, the ranking member of the rules committee, my dear friend, who presided over a very long hearing yesterday where we went through in a meticulous fashion the understanding of why this committee, who this committee might comprise itself of and what their mission would be. we intervened into this process as a result of a real problem, mr. speaker. we've intervened in this process because the administration and these standing committees here in the house of representatives were unable to quickly and thoroughly accomplish their goal of providing not only proper oversight but getting a fair and transparent answer back. hiding the ball is one thing. deception is another. and this administration has gone out of their way. they've lawyered up to make
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sure that they could, i think, mislead congress to where they would make sure we really couldn't ever get involved in anything but a goo ball and then they would try to explain them self in such a way that they would blame our insistence upon getting the truth as a political witch-hunt. mr. speaker, that must mean there's a witch somewhere, and i don't have any clue what that answer is but what i will tell you is this, is we must get to the bottom of this without it being a political witch-hunt. . . so yesterday i went through with the committee an understanding and i stated three important parts of what this resolution is about. the select committee is authorized and directed to conduct a full and complete investigation and study and to
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issue a final report and its findings to the house regarding all policies, decisions and activities that contributed to the attack on the united states facilities in benghazi, libya, on september 11, 2012. as well as those that affected the ability of the united states and to prepare for these attacks. and number three, in particular, that information related to lessons learned from the attack and executive branch activities and efforts to protect the united states facilities and personnel must be understood. mr. speaker, john boehner, the speaker of the house, has announced that the gentleman from south carolina, a distinguished federal prosecutor , reliable person who serves
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in this body is not the least bit interested in the political outcome. in fact, he's interested, because i know him and know him well in doing the things which are under the charge that we at the rules committee and that this house today, i believe, will give him. that he will well and faithfully discharge those duties that have been given to him as the chairman of the select committee. and i believe that the speaker of the house has met with former speaker pelosi, now the minority leader, to ask the minority leader to please offer him the ames of those five personnel members of congress who might represent the democrats or the minority in this case an opportunity to be a full and forthwith member of this committee. it is our intent that these 12
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people will work together, not apart, that they will work with a mandate that is clear and that provides them the necessary information and the discretion to the full extent of the law. but it is also understood by this that these members of this select committee need to be met forthwith by the administration of the united states of america and that is the office and the executive branch of the presidency. and it is a full request that i would make at this time for the american people to understand that we are asking this administration to lay down their sword, to lay down those things to have been have been
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things that have been transparent and information that would allow us to get to the bottom of this. we have heard over and over how people accepted that the buck stopped there and they took full responsibility. but in accepting full responsibility, we have not learned enough about what those mistakes were if they're willing to accept the responsibility. this is not going to be wished away, mr. speaker. our young chairman gowdy will not whitewash this investigation. our committee is not empowered just to go off and twitter away the time. there will be serious members of this body. i look forward to finding out -- former speaker pelosi and appoints to the committee i will
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be intensely interested to see who speaker boehner apoints and i think they will represent the very best from this body, that they will be young men and young men -- women who have been part of an unders of how to carefully look for the facts of the case and not an inch beyond, how to ask questions that are fair and those that represent the very best of only learning the truth and not an inch more. and i have confidence ths house of representatives, through the leadership of mr. gowdy, will bring not only excellence, but will stand as a model of how the house of representatives should conduct itself when they have a problem with an administration, whether it be republican or democrat.
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and i i will predict today that those people that former speaker pelosi brings to the people and we bring to the table will be prepared to do exactly that. with that, mr. speaker, i'm ending my time and i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: all time for debate has expired, pursuant to house resolution 575. the question is on adoption of the resolution. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair, the ayes have it. the gentlelady from new york. ms. slaughter: i request the yeas and nays. the speaker pro tempore: the yeas and nays are requested. those favoring a vote by the yeas and nays will rise. a sufficient number having arisen, the yeas and nays are ordered. pursuant to clause 8 of rule 20, further proceedings on the uestion will be postponed. the chair lays before the house an enrolled bill.
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the speaker pro tempore: the chair lays before the house a message. the clerk: to the congress of the united states, i am pleased to transmit to the congress pursuant to section 123-b and d of the atomic energy act, 42 u.s.c. 2153 b, the act, the text of a proposed agreement for cooperation between the government of the united states of america and the government of the socialist republic of vietnam concerning peaceful uses of nuclear energy and i'm pleased to transmit my written approval, authorization and determination concerning the agreement. as an unclassified nuclear proliferation statement concerning the agreement. in accordance with section 112 of the act as amended by titles 12 and restructuring act of 998, public law 105-227, a
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classified annex prepared by the secretary of state in consultation with the director of national intelligence, summarizing relevant classified information will be submitted to the congress separately. the joint memorandum submitted to me by the secretaries of energy and stating the views of the commission are enclosed and addendum containing a comprehensive analysis of vietnam's export control system with respect to nuclear-related matters, including interactions with other countries of proliferation concern and the actual or suspected nuclear dual use or missile-related transfers of the national security act of 1947, 50 u.s.c. 403-1 as admitted is being submitted separately by the director of national intelligence.
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this transmission shall constitute a submital for purposes of both sections 123 b and d of the act. my administration is beginning the consultations with the senate foreign relations committee and the house foreign affairs committee. upon completion of the 30 days as continuous session review provided for in sections 123-b, the 60 days of continuing session provided for section 123-d shall commence. signed sincerely, barack obama, the white house. may 8, 2014. the speaker pro tempore: referred to the foreign affairs committee and ordered printed. mr. camp: pursuant to house resolution 569 i call up the bill h.r. 4438, american research and competitiveness act of 2014 and ask for its immediate consideration. the clerk: union calendar number
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319 h.r. 4438, a bill to amend the internal revenue code of 1986 to simplify and make permanent the research credit. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to house resolution 569 and house resolution 576, the amendment in the nature of a substitute recommended by the committee of ways and means and printed in part b of house report 113-444 are adopted. the bill as amended is considered read. the gentleman from michigan, mr. camp, and the gentleman from michigan, mr. levin, each will control 0 minutes. the chair recognizes the gentleman from michigan, mr. camp. mr. camp: i ask unanimous consent that all members have five legislative days in which to revise and extend their remarks and include extraneous material on h.r. 4438 and mr. speaker, i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. the gentleman is recognized. mr. camp: our current tax code is broken and it's hurting families and hurting our ability to create good-paying jobs in this country.
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last week we learned the economy grew .1% in the first quarter of 2014. 1/10 of a percent of growth is unacceptable. hard-working families and businesses are struggling. wages are flat and businesses aren't growing. the highest corporate rate in the world, the united states is the only country that also allows important pieces of its tax code like the research and development tax credit to expire on a regular basis. businesses can't grow and invest when the tax code is riddled with instability and uncertainty. the research and development credit, the permanent extension we have before us today has been part of the u.s. tax code since 1981. renewed year after year, the credit has long been bipartisan and effective way to incentivize u.s. companies to innovate, create new products and invest in the united states. the bill we have before us is
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the result of years of work, ways and means committee members have put into tax reform. we eliminate the burden on businesses to do substantial amounts of recordkeeping, maintain countless receipts and perform complex calculations and the r&d credit has been bipartisan. just a few years ago, congressman levin and i co-sponsored the house bill to extend the research and development tax credit. it is led by mr. braisey and mr. larsen. many on the other side of the aisle have commented about the fact that this job-creating provision is unpaid for and i would note has historically not been paid for. all together, ways and means democrats have cast 71 votes on this floor in favor of unpaid extensions of this policy. that amounts to 15 years' worth
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of extensions. while the change of tune may be for political reasons, i think we can all agree this is the right policy. making the tax credit permanent is an important first step to put us on a path towards comprehensive reform that lowers rates and makes the code simpler and fairer and also supports good-paying jobs. according to the national association of manufacturers, 70% of r&d credit dollars are used to pay salaries of r&d workers. the united states was once the world leader to provide incentives to u.s. companies so u.s. companies could innovate and create new technologies and products. but we have fallen far behind. other countries are moving past the united states putting american companies further at risk. countries like japan, the united kingdom, canada and russia have invested more in research and development support than the
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united states. if this is unacceptable and we can do better. a strong, permanent credit not only provides the certainty employers need but the joint committee on taxation estimates that making the r&d credit permanent will increase the amount of research and development that american companies undertake by up to 10%. that translates into more workers, higher wages and increased innovation here in the united states. i yield one minute to leader cantor, the gentleman from virginia. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from virginia is recognized for one minute. . mr. cantor: mr. speaker, i rise today in strong support of the american research and competitiveness act. mr. speaker, right now america isn't working for too many people. last month alone, 800,000 people left the work force. many more continue to search
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for job, and working people are having a tough time too. they're having a tough time climbing the economic ladder of success, partly because america is struggling to remain competitive in the global marketplace. however, we have an opportunity to change that today by passing this legislation and improving the r&d tax credit and making it permanent. this action will grant the u.s. a chance to compete for more research and development investment dollars while manufacturers are being courted by other countries that have more stable r&d tax incentives and lower corporate tax rates. but the positive economic impact will not be constrained to manufacturing alone. it will also bring new investments to the energy industry, medical research, stem advancements and information technology, among others. a 2011 study by ernst & young found that strengthening the
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r&d tax credit would raise wages up to $3 billion in the short term and $8 billion in the long term. it would also increase employment related to research by 130,000 in the short term and over 300,000 jobs in the long term. with the american economy puttering along, this bill -- sputtering along, this bill will create an opportunity that we simply cannot afford to pass up. mr. speaker, to put it simply, this legislation is about jobs. this legislation is about giving american workers and middle-class families a chance at new opportunities. this legislation is about creating an america that works again, an america that works again for everybody. let's stand together in a bipartisan fashion and pass this bill so that we can help turn this economy around and begin to move in the right direction once again. i want to thank chairman camp
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for his leadership in bringing this bill forward, for congressman brady in the chamber from texas and the rest of the ways and means committee for their hard work on this issue. i urge my colleagues in the house to support this bill. and i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan, mr. levin. mr. levin: i now yield as much time as he shall consume to the gentleman from maryland, the ranking member on the budget committee, mr. van hollen. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from maryland is recognized. mr. van hollen: i thank you, mr. chairman, and i want to thank my friend and colleague, the ranking member of the ways and means committee, for all the work he's done on tax policy to make sure we have a tax policy that's both pro growth and works for the country. i want to thank the chairman for the ways and means committee for his efforts on tax reform. i wish what we were doing today was talking about real tax reform. many of us agree that we need to reform our corporate tax code, that we do need to deal with the rates and we need to
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deal with the base, but that's not what this is about. the speaker decided not to bring before this full house the tax reform bill that the chairman of the ways and means committee has worked on and that's not what we're dealing with today. nor is what we're dealing with day whether we're for or against the research and development tax credit. as the chairman of the committee said, there's bipartisan support for the r&d tax credit. i agree there is a pro growth tax policy. the question is whether we put it on -- pay for it. the chairman mentioned we raised this on an annual basis and that's true. one of the reasons we didn't take it up on a permanent basis was because everybody realized what impact it would have on our long-term deficit and said, you know, that's not good fiscal policy. that's not good fiscal discipline. let's try and work together to get it done in a fiscally
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responsible way. but instead of doing that we now have our colleagues coming forth and doing it that puts it on the credit card. puts it on the credit card. not one penny's paid for. we have this r&d tax credit bill before us today. there are four other business tax incentive bills that are coming out of the ways and means committee. they add $310 billion to the deficit. that means $310 billion on our national credit card. now, what's interesting it was probably less than a month ago that on the floor of this very house we had a debate on the republican budget, and we were told then that the most important thing we could do for long-term economic growth was to reduce long-term deficits. that was the -- that was the be all and end all. it was important. you know what, we agree it's important to reduce the long-term deficits. the question is not whether, it's how. and so we proposed in addition to some of the cuts we made in
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this house that we also close some of the unproductive, wasteful special interest tax breaks that happen to go to different interests around the country, not because it's important to our economy, not because it helps the economy grow but because they happen to have a lot of influence here in washington so that we should get rid of some of those to help pay for pro-growth tax policy like the r&d tax credit. but our republican colleagues said no. they wouldn't close one, not one special interest tax break to help reduce the deficit. not one. and so here we are today, after all that talk just a few weeks ago about reducing the deficit, doing a permanent and unpaid for extension of r&d tax credit. first installment, as i said, five bills that will add doctor -- $310 billion on the credit card. in fact, mr. chairman, i don't
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know if all members know, they had to waive their own rules because this bill's inconsistent with the budget that was passed in this house a few weeks ago, inconsistent. in fact, if you look at the five bills coming forward, they put the republican budget out of balance, even on its own terms. right? they used funny math to claim that their budget was balanced, they used the revenue from the affordable care act, obamacare, even when they said they're getting rid of it, but let's give them that for a moment. these five bills now mean their own budget, republican budget is not in balance anymore. right? so we're in favor of the r&d tax credit. like to find a way to permanently extend. , let's do it in a fiscally responsible manner.
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when you don't pay for it, when you put it on the credit card, at the end of the day somebody is paying for it. now, last night we pointed out that the republican proposal was actually going to pay for it by hitting medicare. they left in place a medicare sequester under statutory pay-go. they were going to ask medicare to pay for these tax credits. well, i'm glad they reconsidered that. but at the end of the day, someone's got to pay. who pays? well, let's go back and look at the republican budget from a few weeks ago. i'll tell you who pays. because that budget refuses to close any of those wasteful tax breaks, whether it's for corporate jets, whether it's for big oil companies, whether it's for hedge fund owners, because they refused to do any of those to reduce the deficit, they come after our kids' education. deep cuts in head start. deep cuts in k-12. deep cuts in helping more
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students afford college. deep cuts in medical research, scientific research. we're talking about the importance of giving the private sector incentives to invest in r&d. that's right. but when you cut the nondefense discretionary budget by 25% compared to now over the next 10 years, you're also cutting our capacity as a country to invest in cutting edge r&d. after all, there were federal government investments that helped launch the internet which has had huge economic benefits. investments in scientific research at n.i.h., huge benefits. and so that's why it's so important to do this in a fiscally responsible manner. because when you add $310 billion to the deficit, somebody pays at the end of the day. we said, let's pay for it that makes sense.
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combination of cuts but also getting rid of the unproductive, wasteful tax breaks that are in the tax code which are there not because of the economic benefit but because of the power of a lobby here in washington. so i would hope we would go back to what the chairman of the committee actually wanted to do when he started the effort of tax reform couple years ago and beyond which was, yes, let's do real tax reform, let's do it in a way that makes sense, let's do it in a way that doesn't bust the deficit wide open and leave our kids having to pick up the tab either through higher interest rates or cuts to their education. that is not right, and i urge my colleagues to vote against this legislation and i thank my colleague, mr. levin. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan, mr. camp. mr. camp: thank you, mr. speaker. i'd note for the record that the previous speaker from maryland has voted four times to extend the research and development tax credit, none of them paid for for a total of 7 1/2 years. mr. van hollen: if the
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gentleman will yield? that's very different than a permanent unpaid for extension. i think people can do the math. mr. camp: i yield to the distinguish member of the ways and means committee and joint economic committee, the gentleman from texas, mr. brady. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas is recognized for two minutes. mr. brady: thank you, mr. speaker. ank you, mr. chairman, for bringing this important bill to the floor. this is a bipartisan bill. i'm glad not only to be the lead sponsor, be working with my friend, democrat, john larson from connecticut for this important bill, we follow in the footsteps of two bipartisan leaders, chairman dave camp and ranking member sandy levin who carried this bill together in a bipartisan way with strong support from republicans and democrats. and you know, in the day and at our we look smartphone and tablet and see the impact of technology on our lives, many of us have family members -- medical breakthroughs, have saved lives, lengthened lives, we see
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people who are disabled through technology now, able to live full lives and work full lives because america is innovative. this is really -- this is about jobs, but it's about people as well. america used to lead the world in research incentives but today we have fallen to 27th. china and russia and other global competitors are quickly surpassing us with their economy is toward research. if we don't invest in research and medical breakthroughs, over time we'll lose as the largest place in the economy. we need to make permanent this key tax incentive that encourages american companies to increase their investments in america, in research and development of new product breakthroughs. and when we do that, when we make this temporary provision, temporary for 34 years, by the way, when we make it permanent,
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we'll create over 300,000 new american jobs and raise workers' wages by almost $10 billion. what this bill does, it simplifies this provision so that small and medium-sized businesses can also take advantage of this credit and, according to the joint tax committee -- i ask -- mr. camp: i yield the gentleman an additional 130ekds. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for 30 seconds. mr. brady: will lead to a 10% incereals in research in america. the fact is american companies going to invest in research. the question is, are they going to do it in america or are they going to do it overseas? we can't allow foreign countries to take this research, the jobs that goes with technology. it's time to come together, republicans, democrats, to make this law permanent. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan, mr. levin. mr. levin: i now yield three minutes to another distinguished member of our ways and means committee, mr.
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davis from illinois. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from illinois is recognized for three minutes. mr. davis: thank you, mr. chairman. and i rise in opposition to this legislation because h.r. 4438 would add $156 billion to the deficit to provide permanent tax breaks for businesses while doing nothing for the 2.6 million americans living the constant nightmare of long-term unemployment. h.r. 4438 does nothing to help low-income working families. by permanently extending the earned income tax credit or the child tax credit. used by over 100,000 of my constituents and credits that keep millions of americans out of poverty. further, h.r. 4438 does nothing to incentivize businesses to hire hard-to-employ workers via the work opportunity tax
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credit. to help revitalizeted distressed communities via the new market tax credit. to help the elderly via the i.r.a. charitable rollover. to create affordable housing via the low-income housing tax credit. to reimburse the 3.7 million teachers, the hundreds of dollars a year they pay out of their own pockets. in the name of fiscal responsibility, the republican leadership has justified refusing to help unemployed and lashing food stamps for poor families, cutting health care and service for seniors and limit them services for foster use. even worse, the republican leadership understands that as a law h.r. 4438's failure to pay for its $156 billion price tag will cause automatic cuts to medicare, student loans and other mandatory safety net
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programs because the bill violates pay-go. . i strongly urge my colleagues to vote no to this business giveaway. and i yield back. mr. camp: i yield two minutes to the gentleman from washington state, mr. reichert. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for two minutes. mr. reichert: i thank the gentleman for yielding. mr. speaker, i rise in support of the american research and competitiveness act. this bill takes a couple of important steps in improving tax credit to support tens of thousands of jobs in my home state, washington state. and first of all, it makes the credit permanent. this credit has been extended 15 times since it was first enacted in 1981, making it impossible for businesses to plan their research and development activities in the future. when businesses have certainty,
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they can plan for the future. and when they can plan for the future, they can have confidence to hire workers and create jobs. second, mr. speaker, there was a time when it was understood that businesses would perform their research and development activities right here in the united states of america. today, that's not the case. in my home state of washington, we don't have to look too far to see exactly what other countries are doing to attract research and development. let's take canada, right north of washington state, in canada, not only have they reduced their federal corporate tax rate to 15%, but they made it permanent. on top of this, the various provinces and territories have added their own incentives. in british colombia there is 10% research and development tax credit. we can't compete with that in
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the united states of america. we can't compete with that in washington state. mr. brady's bill helps get us back in the game competing for research and development dollars and provides a permanent tax credit of 20% and allows expenditures on supplies and softwares to be part of the credit space. this bill is a step in the right direction of fixing our tax code. making our economy competitive and most importantly, mr. speaker, this bill is about creating jobs for americans. i urge my colleagues to support its passage and i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan, mr. levin. mr. levin: i yield to a member of our committee, the distinguished gentleman from wisconsin, mr. kind. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. kind: i thank my friend for yielding. mr. speaker, i rise in strong upport of the goal to extend the research and development tax
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credit. our businesses need that certainty and can't be making budgetary decisions in order to create jobs on the short-term measures coming through congress. what i have an objection to this evening and where the problem lies is none of it is paid for. we have been to this dance before. we know what works and what doesn't work when it comes to the fiscal management of our nage. what works is pay as you go budget rules. if there is a spending increase, you have to find an offset to maintain balance. we had that system in place in the 1990's, thanks to the budget agreement that president george h.w. bush signed into law and followed by the 1993 bill when president clinton was in office. and subsequently with 24 million private sector jobs were created along with pay as you go
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budgeting rules, president clinton saw four years of budget surpluses and paying down the national debt rather than adding to it and thank god, because when september 11 hit, that unexpected disaster against our nation, we had financial resources in which to respond. but after my republican colleagues took complete control of the federal government during he 2000, they reverted back to bad habits, two large tax cuts that weren't paid for, two major wars that weren't paid for, the passage of a new prescription drug bill and largest expansion of entitlement spending, the largest increase in discretionary spending, none of it paid for. when president obama took office, he inherited a $1.5 trillion budget deficit in his first year.
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and they have not been shy in laying the blame of fiscal mismanagement in the structural annual budget deficits at the current president's doorstep step and that's what gets us into this spot. the policy behind the permanent extension, you aren't going to hear much debate about that but all about who is going to do the hard work of trying to find offsets in the budget to do it the right way. we are not leaving a debt to our children and not continuing to borrow from china and go back over the last four years and repeat the same statements that we heard from my republican friends about the need for fiscal management and budgeting. the highest sin civil, after they passed the republican ryan budget resolution, they are violating it here tonight. it called for any offsets for permanent extension in the tax code. that's not what we are doing here.
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but what is disheartening, there is a plan b. to chairman camp's credit, he released a comprehensive tax reform in order to simplify the code, broaden the base and lower the rates, but he paid for it through some tough decisions with expenditures that don't make sense to help us be competitive. we can go back through that proposal and look for some of the items as a way to pay for this permanent extension tonight. president obama earlier this year and the budget he submitted had items of pay-fors in the tax code that we could scrub because there is overlap between the two. what this comes down to, who is serious about doing the tough stuff and that is finding offsets in order to do the good policy we are missing here this evening. yes, we should be finding a way to extend the r and d credit. my name's on this bill, but
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under the proviso that we would be fiscally responsible and not leave this legacy for future generations. we ought to be doing a 179 expensing for familiarly businesses and farmers, but there are areas in the tax code in order to find offsets to pay for it, which i think is important for economic job creation and the growth we need. $17 trillion in debt and people are wondering who's to blame. look this evening at a bill before us today that calls for $156 billion over the next 10 years, not a nickel of it paid for. we have to do better for our children and future generations. the clock is ticking. we don't have this luxury of delaying the tough decisions anymore. and there are other avenues we can take and i'm confident if we could sit down and talk to each other and find some common
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ground and bipartisan agreement of what would be acceptable offsets in the revenue code in order to do this permanent extension. but that requires effort and that requires god forbid to say no to a constituent or special interest group in this town from time to time. the easiest thing is to offer a tax cut without paying for it. who doesn't want tax relief? that's not difficult, but not the tough budget decisions we were talking about on the floor when you were passing the ryan republican budget resolution. if you look at it again, to its credit, it called for offsets to permanent extensions. so what is true here? are they committed to fiscal responsibility that's called for in the budget resolution or is that a numbers game to make the numbers add up and the first opportunity they have to violate that resolution, they are going
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to do so tonight with an unpaid permanent extension. this will be a gift that keeps giving if we don't find offsets in the future. i encourage my colleagues to think long and hard about this because this is the first of six tax extenders that will be coming up and i hope this isn't the pattern we will be seeing with the five additional ones where they come without any pay-fors and load up the debt and claim that the economy is going to grow. we know that hasn't worked in the past and not going to work tonight. i encourage my colleagues to vote no. we can work with the senate and chairman camp and what the administration was proposing in their budget and find the appropriate offsets. do the responsible thing and end this legacy of deficit financing and give our children the hope and opportunity they deserve. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan, mr. camp. mr. camp: i would say to the gentleman from wisconsin has voted five times to extend the
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research and development tax credit for 12 1/2 years, not a nickel to pay for it. our friends in the senate are advancing ar quote, unquote, unpaid for extension of all of the extenders to the tune of $85 billion and i think to follow their line of logic, they would say, we need to raise taxes to keep taxes the same. and that makes no sense. we haven't done it for almost 30 years. we shouldn't do it now. i reserve. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves the balance of his time. the gentleman from michigan, mr. levin. mr. levin: i yield a minute to the gentleman from wisconsin. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. kind: with all due respect to the chairman of the committee and i do respect him and he is a friend of mine, he knows, there is a big difference between permanency in the tax code and short-term measures in order to find out what the appropriate permanent solution will be and that's what we ought to be doing right now, trying to find that
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permanent solution once and for all, but in a fiscally responsible manner. that's how we should be approaching this. to the chairman's credit, the discussion draft he released a few weeks called for offsets in the revenue code in order to do comprehensive reform. he said tax cuts shouldn't be meant with corresponding offsets. if that's true, what have we been doing in trying to do comprehensive reform while still paying for it and not blowing a hole in future budget deficits. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan. mr. camp: i reserve. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan, mr. levin. mr. levin: i yield two minutes to the gentlelady from texas, mrs. johnson. the speaker pro tempore: the entlelady is recognized. felons plons -- ms. johnson: i have been a
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long-term supporter and advocate or making the r&d tax credit permanent. he r&d creates retention and creation of jobs but i regretbly rise in opposition to h.r. 4438, a bill that would simply simplify and make research and development tax credits permanent. unfortunately, since being created in the early 1980's, the r&d tax credit has been allowed to lapse and needed to be extended year after year. the business community needs certainty when planning long-term research and development and investments. many have called for this important tax credit to be made permanent. in the famous national academy's rising above the storm report, making the r&d tax credit stronger and permanent was one
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of their 10 recommendations on congressional actions to improve our nation's competitiveness. private sector leaders also agree there is a clear and necessary role for government in all aspects of our innovation, from direct funding of fundamental research to incentives for the private sector to increase their r&d investments. often private sector research and development are on government funding. the internet and the g.p.s. were developed by the national science foundation funding, but private sector funding carries these to their full potential with immeasurable benefit to our nation. how best to modify the r&d tax credit and make it permanent should be part of a larger conversation about tax reform and tax extenders. and that conversation should include other tax provisions
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that are important for millions of working families and including the earned income tax credit, the child tax credit, the education tax credit and further, we should be debating how to off set this tax credit instead of ignoring $156 billion to the deficit over the next 10 years. . . the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady's time has expired. the gentleman is recognized. mr. camp: i reserve and i'm prepared to close at the appropriate time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan, mr. levin. mr. levin: i yield two minutes to the gentleman from california, mr. becerra. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for two minutes. mr. levin: the chairman of our caucus. mr. becerra: i thank the gentleman for yielding.
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today's vote on h.r. 4438 and on five other republican bills to come that would permanently -- permanently extend other tax breaks without paying for them will increase the deficit by $310 billion. it would read to republican cuts to -- it would lead to republican cuts in services like medicare, research and school funding. how much is $310 billion? that's five times what we spend on services to our veterans. we have over 21 million americans who have served in uniform who are veterans of the country. that $310 billion is tree times what we as a federal government invest in education, job training and social services for an entire year. and it's over 10 times what we spend annually on medical restorgee come up with the innovation and the life-saving treatment this is a americans rely upon.
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we hear frour colleagues on the republican side that they are fiscally responsible, that they are fiscal hawks and they pass these severe budget this is a would cut school, that would cut medical research that would cut medical funding for our senior, that would cut social security. but they have to do it, we have to get rid of the deficit. yet here we have the fiscal protenders. in this bill, h.r. 4438, our republican colleagues propose to blow the deficit wide open by adding $310 billion to that deficit by passing these unpaid for tax breaks. yet when it's time to make the tough choices, when it comes to providing service ours middle class families want for their children to go to college, we can't do it. yet there's a free pass for the corporate tax breaks. what american citizens what taxpayer would trust this budget math from our colleagues?
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i urge my colleagues to vote against this budget busting legislation and turn our focus to building an economy that works for all merps, not just a select few. with that, i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan, mr. camp. mr. camp: i would just say to the previous speaker, the gentleman from california voted three times to extend the r&d tax credit on offset for a lept of time for eight years. i would continue to reserve my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. pursuant to clause 1-c of rule 19, further consideration of .r. 4438 is postponed. the unfinished business is the vote on the adoption of house resolution 567 on which the yeas and nays are ordered. the clerk will report the title of the resolution. the clerk: house resolution 567.
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resolution providing for the establishment of the select committee on the events surrounding the 2012 terrorist attack in benghazi. the speaker pro tempore: the question is on adoption of the resolution. members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a 15-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.]
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the speaker pro tempore: on this vote the yeas are 232, the nays are 18 of and the resolution is -- 186 and the resolution is adopted. without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid upon the able. for what purpose does the gentleman from texas seek recognition? >> i ask unanimous consent that the house resolution 567 be modified in the manner i have placed at the desk. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the modification. the clerk: modification offered by mr. sessions of texas. page 6, line 3, strike clause 2 and insert clause 2. page 6, line 6, strike clause 2 and insert clause 2. the speaker pro tempore: without objection the motification is agreed to.
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the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to clause 1-c of rule 19, further consideration of h.r. 4438 will now resume. the clerk will report the title. the clerk: union calendar number 319, h.r. 4438, a bill to amend the internal revenue code of 198206 simplify and make permanent the research credit. the speaker pro tempore: when proceedings were postponed earlier today, 38 3/4 minutes of debatery re-mained. mr. camp has 19 3/4 minutes remain, the gentleman from michigan, mr. levin, has nine minutes remaining. the gentleman from michigan, mr. camp, reserves, the chair recognizes the gentleman from michigan. mr. levin: i yield two minutes to our distinguished whip, mr. hoyer of maryland. the speaker pro tempore: the
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gentleman is recognized. >> the house is not in order. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is is correct. the house will be in order. members will please take their conversations off the house floor. mr. hoyer: i'd just as soon everybody stay on the house floor. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. hoyer: mr. speaker, i rise . th a great deal of sadness we're punting. "usa today" said house action on tax extenders forefets credibility on deficits and national debt. they are right. the distinguished chairman of the ways and means committee who is my friend, offered a real
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bill on tax reform. the problem with that real bill is, it had tough choices to make. congratulations to mr. camp for having the courage to suggest those tough choices. this vote today requires absolutely no courage. at all. it gives the ice cream and says forget about the spinach. it is the reason that we have trillions of dollars in debt today on our national debt because we didn't pay for the 2001 or 2003 tax cuts. mr. camp will tell me that i r&d tax cut six times
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that were temporary, that were annual. that were not a permanent change in the base. that's what they want to do. that's what you did in 2001 and 2003. that's all inside jargon. and yes, you didn't waive statutory pay-go, which we passed, which "usa today" says was one of the reasons we got the balance four years in a row. that's why -- the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has ex-tired. mr. levin: i yield the gentleman an additional minute. mr. hoyer: i have three minutes to discuss to the american public why their country is going to be put deeper into debt by passing this legislation. it's good legislation if it were paid for. it was good legislation when it was included in mr. camp's
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overall tax reform bill. but it is very bad policy and very bad legislation in this unpaid for discrete form. and by the way, there's about another $160 billion of debt to follow. what a sad day for america. what a sad day for this house. what a sad day for the ways and means committee. what a sad day for fiscal responsibility. mr. speaker, i urge my colleagues not to vote for the temporary political benefit that saying you gave somebody a tax cut, but vote for fiscal responsibility. vote to keep on a path of a big deal to solve the fiscal challenge this is a confront our country. i urge my colleagues to vote no and i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the chair recognizes the gentleman from michigan.
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mr. camp: i say, i yield myself such time as i macon sewell. the gentleman hasst correct he voted sick times to extend the reserge and development tax credit. i think it's time to be honest with the american people. if we're going to extend the policies again and again and again, in this case 30 years and not pay for it, we shouldn't have to raise taxes to keep taxes the same. so again, i would reserve the balance of my time and support this legislation. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan reserves. the gentleman from michigan, mr. levin. mr. levin: i yield two minutes to the gentleman from new york, a distinguished member of our committee, to put it mildly, mr. rangel. mr. rangel: i ask unanimous consent to revise and extend. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for two minutes. mr. rangel: i was opposed to this bill because i department think it was honest with me american people and the chairman says he wants to be honest. i'm surprised he's responding to this because i don't think too
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many people believe this is on the level. the senate have spoken othis issue. this is not going to become law. it's not again gaw -- it's not benghazi, it's not affordable care, i would think this has to be something else we're preparing for in 2014. and i really don't think that the american people are going to go to sleep tonight wondering whether or not we take this billion dollar bill, even though all of us love the concept of research and development, but so any people are going to be going to sleep hungry, they haven't got extended unemployment, they need a variety of affordable housing and now we're doing this for 2014. it doesn't fly. it doesn't get off the ground. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman has one minute remaining. mr. rangel: what i'm saying to
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the chairman he, had such a great start with the tax reform, something we could have worked on together, to pick out one good thing that we have even though we don't have money to pay for it is an ideal thing for democrats and republicans to sit down and wonder how could we make certain that america stays ahead in research and development. but to do this because we're running out of things to try to embarrass democrats on is really not fair to our nation. i really think our national security is being impacted because of our inability to work and get something done. so i oppose this as any other thing that is just trying to find something to embarrass us, but i do hope for 2014 that we find something, anything, immigration, unemployment compensation, so that when we do get there, there will be a republican party. i like democrats, i really love democrats, but this used to be
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the party of dixiecrats. now they left us and i want to make certain they don't come back. the speaker pro tempore: now the gentleman's time has expired. the chair recognizes the gentleman from michigan. mr. camp: i reserve. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. mr. levin: how much time is remaining to us. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan, mr. levin, has four minutes remain, the gentleman from michigan, mr. camp, has 19 1/2 minutes remaining. mr. levin: do you want to yield us some time? i yield two minutes to the gentleman from texas, the most -- a most distinguished member of our committee. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for two minutes. >> -- mr. doggett: surely we don't need any more research this afternoon to know that such an irrespopsable approach is the wrong way to go.
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in january of last year, republicans came to this floor and they told us that they had reserved house resolution number one for a bill that would do it all. it was going to simplify the tax code. it was going to lower the rates. it would not add a penny to the debt because it would all be financed by closing loopholes. where is that bill? it's still reserved and it will be reserved to the end of this -- end of this term because the truth of the matter is, republicans could not stand up to the special interests that like those loopholes. that like the complexity of the tax code. that benefit from that complexity. they would not stand up to pass a bill that was fiscally responsible. both parties as the chairman has indicated have repeatedly supported temporary extensions. but neither has had the audacity to come to this floor and say we're going to borrow enough to make it permanent without
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closing a single loophole. they are doing exactly the soipt of what they have repeatedly promised us and the american people that they would do. i support a permanent research and development credit to incentivize research for new products. it's never been a question of whether to support research, but how to do it and thousand pay for it. if the only goal is tone courage more job growth, there are ways we can redesign this credit to get even more greth than it does now. the government accountability office said the credit in its current form is a wind fall for some corporations and some multinationals have used it as a way to get the tax payer to subsidize research here and shift the benefits overseas. i believe a better research credit on a permanent basis is the best way to encourage growth, not an irresponsible, unpaid tax credit. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan. mr. camp: at this time i yield such time as he may consume to a
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distinguished member of the ways and means committee and the chairman of the joint economic committee, the gentleman from texas, mr. brady. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for such time as he may consume. the speaker pro tempore: thank you, mr. chairman -- mr. brady: thank you, mr. chairman. i was touring a hospital in the rio grande valley, we were touring the critical care unit, young babies, 25, 26 years old who in past years would have never frankly survived and today because of medical breakthroughs they will not only have a life -- not have a lifetime of chronic diseases and disabilities, they will live a full life because medical breakthroughs and innovations developed here in america are giving them a life, frankly their parents never hoped for. i see our veterans coming back from war, some of them with such terrible injuries, who not only are having their lives restored, but through these remarkable prosthetics are living full lives that again wouldn't have
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been possible in recent years even. because we're going innovation here in america. each day we read of another u.s. company being courted to move those medical breakthroughs and that research overseas to other country, china, to europe, to others. we're seeing america lose our edge in innovation even though everyone knows, republican and democrat, that the country that innovates the most will lead the world in economic growth, period. we know it. and i look at statements such as this, and i'll read this, it is a direct quote. i believe it's critical our tax system provide strong inseptemberives to help our manufacturing base. one of the most important tax incentivers in manufacturing sector is the research and development tax credit. of facturers do about 0% the private sector r&d in the united states have long been a strong and persistent voice for making the r&d tax credit a permanent part of our tax code
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and strengthen it so that all companies a strong incentive to do r&d here in the united states that wasn't me, that wasn't chairman camp. that was our distinguished ranking member, sander levin. he's not alone. democrats and republicans together long have sought a permanent r&d tax credit to make america competitive again make no mistake, today you've heard people say this isn't out supporting innovation, technology, biosciences and medical breakthroughs. it's about fiscal responsibility, yesterday it was some other bills we wanted. the truth is, we can't afford these excuses. and that's what they are. today's -- today it's a clear choice between those who will stand for medical innovation america, technology innovation in america. energy innovation and manufacturing innovation that will create good paying jobs and
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good paying wages for americans. i ask our democrat colleagues to set aside the politics. we know it's an election year. set aside, stay consistent with the values that you've set over and over again that the research and development tax credit needs to be made permanent and let's send a bill to the senate so that they too, we can discover and learn whether they're willing to stand with their past longtime statements that the r&d tax credit should be permanent. with that, i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the gentleman from michigan, mr. evin is recognized. mr. levin: are you ready to close? i yield myself the balance of the time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. levin: i support r&d. two minutes. i support it now. i have never voted to make it permanent without paying for it. so this bill is a dangerous
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dodge. mr. camp, you pay for what you suggested was permanent. and i absolute your being forth right -- salute your being forthright. that is not what's happening today. so this isn't only fiscally irresponsible, what it does is to threaten programs that we care about, what was not done with one hand yesterday, auto cuts, will be done by the -- automatic cuts, will be done by the republicans with the other. they will use this deficit to cut programs we care about, mentioned earlier. medical research, head start, pell grants and other extenders that we deeply care about. this bill today is, as i said, is a -- this bill today, as i said, is a dangerous dodge. we should not be party to it.
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e should not be party to it. it's irresponsible, it's hypocritical, and it's harmful to what we really care about and the american people care about. i urge a no vote on this bill. and i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from michigan, mr. levin, yields back his time. the chair recognizes the gentleman from michigan, mr. camp. to close. mr. camp: thank you. i yield myself such time as i may consume. mr. speaker, the research and development tax credit has been extended repeatedly by members of the other side, members of this side, for nearly 30 years. and it's not been paid for in those extensions. but what does that really mean? what we've done in america, which no other country has done , is we've taken a valuable tax policy like that, something that should be certain and dependable, and made it temporary. not only do we make it
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temporary, we allow it to expire for a year at a time. so over this 30-year period, employers, innovators, businesses, companies have not known whether thick count on this policy -- they can count on this policy noord to do something important. i heard mr. brady talk about the medical innovation. i think at big rapids, michigan, wolverines worldwide, they're constantly innovating that so that our military service men and women have the best possible equipment on their feet. and you can imagine in the kinds of climates that we find our military in how important this is. but if companies like that don't know whether this tax policy's dependable, yet we extend it 30 years, backwards, rerlt actively, and forward a year, then we allow it to expire a year, it makes no sense. by allowing it to expire repeatedly we've called into question whether this r&d credit is available at all.
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and i would just say, by supporting permanent policies, the reason it's so important to make this permanent, we can actually promote certainty for american businesses. and we need to generate certainly greater economic growth. and the reason we're seeing the worst recovery since the depression, .1% economic growth, none of us should be satisfied with that, i don't think any of us are. we can generate more growth by making these things permanent. so we need to wake up to the reality and start offering some concrete solutions that really strengthen the economy, help hardworking taxpayers and let me just say, the nonpartisan joint committee on taxation, which is our referee on these matters, says that if we make the credit permanent, that actually more research and development will take place. the kind of innovation that really puts america at the forefront of job creation and
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an economy that's strong and vibrant. that up to 10% more research and development will occur. we certainly need more of that. because that's more jobs, more innovation, higher wages, and let me just say that the president of the united states voted to extend the research and delopment tax credit unpaid for when he was a senator. he signed legislation twice to extend the research and development tax credit unpaid for. and i think 30 years of uncertainty has actually been a detriment. and a detriment to u.s. business, u.s. employers, certainly their employees because the jobs they provide are so dependent on us being at the cutting edge. look, this is the 21st century. we can't live in the past as if these policies don't matter. this is a very competitive world. most of our constituents understand the kind of competition that we face. and we need to make this permanent, we need to do it now.
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let's do something positive and good for america, something that we've repeatedly done. let's be honest about it. since we're going to extend it at some point temporarily, another two years, let's make this permanent. let's make this certain, let's make this something that our employers can depend on so they can create the kind of jobs that we haven't seen. with that i yield back the balance of my time. vote yes on this legislation. the speaker pro tempore: all time having expired, pursuant to house resolution 569 and house resolution 576, the previous question is ordered on the bill as amended. the question occurs on engrossment and third reading of the bill. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. the ayes have it. third reading. the clerk: a bill to amend the internal revenue code of 1986, to simplify and make permanent the research credit. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to clause 1-c of rule 19, further consideration of .r. 4438 is postponed.
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pursuant to clause 8 of rule 0, the chair will postpone -- 20, the chair will postpone further proceedings today on the motion to suspend the rules on which a recorded vote or the yeas and nays are ordered or on which the vote incurs objection under clause 6 of rule 20. any recorded vote on the postponed question will be taken later.
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the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from indiana seek recognition? >> good evening, mr. speaker. i move that the house suspend the rules and pass the bill, h.r. 4366, as it's been amended. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the title of the bill. the clerk: h.r. 4366, a bill to strengthen the federal
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education research system to make research and evaluations more timely and relevant to state and local needs in order to increase student achievement. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to the rule, the gentleman from indiana, mr. rokita, and the gentleman from california, mr. miller, will each control 20 minutes of this debate. the chair recognizes the gentleman from indiana. mr. rokita: thank you, mr. speaker. i ask unanimous consent that all members may have five legislative days in which to revise and extend their remarks on h.r. 4366. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman's request is so ordered. mr. rokita: mr. speaker, i rise today in support of the strengthening education through research act, legislation to improve the quality and usefulness of education research. mr. speaker, more than a decade ago congress approved the education sciences reform act, that was legislation that established the institute of education sciences to gather information on education progress, conduct research on education practices in schools, and evaluate the effectiveness
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of federal education programs and initiatives. like many of my colleagues, i believeed the federal government's role -- i believe the federal government's role in education needs to be significantly reduced. that's why we passed the student success act last summer. comprehensive education reform legislation that will actually shrink the federal footprint in the classroom and return control to the parents, the teachers and community leaders who in fact know our children bet et -- best. i would challenge anyone here on the floor to say that any person or bureaucrat at the department of education knows our kids better than their own teachers, parents and the local taxpayer. so while we continue to await senate action on the student success act, we have additional opportunities now to act on commonsense proposals that will make the federal role in education more effective and efficient. the research produced by the institute sheds critical light on how taxpayer dollars are being used in our education
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system and can provide important information on what is and is not working in our schools. mr. speaker, the strengthening education through research act will improve education research, protect taxpayers by enhancing program accountability and help ensure students can nd benefit from effective education practices. this law provides information that helps states and school districts identify successful education practices and allows taxpayers and congressional leaders to monitor the federal investment in education. however, the education sciences reform act is overdue for reform, with several weaknesses in the law that must be addressed now. for example, according to a report by the government accountability office, the institute does not always properly evaluate the effectiveness of its programs and research arms. so we run into an issue, we could be throwing good money after bad. and that needs to stop. it could lead to unnecessary costs and redundancies, something we must be particularly wary of in these times of fiscal restraint. additionally, although the
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institute has dramatically improved the quality of education research in recent years, there's often a significant delay in disseminating the key data and findings to education leaders nationwide. what good does it do for us to pay -- to conduct this research, to collect the data, but fail to disseminate it so can can be used. -- it so it can be used. this will help school leaders access more timely, more relevant and more useful information on the most effective educational practices. that's called transparency, mr. speaker. and that's good for the students, it's good for the teachers, it's good for the parents, it's gooder to the -- for the taxpayers, it's good for all of us. first, h.r. 4366 will enhance the relevancy of education research, ensuring teachers, students, parents and policymakers can access and actually use more useful information about what is successful, what is working and what isn't. second, the legislation will take steps to stream line the education research system and
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reduce overlap and duplicative research efforts. this bill will also require the institute to regularly evaluate its research and review the he was if asy -- efficacy of federal programs, ensuring taxpayer resources are being put to good use. finally, it will ensure that the institute and the national assessment governing board, which administers the nation's report card, remain autonomous entities that are free from political influence and bias and unfortunately that political influence and bias exists in our education system and research -- and could exist in our research arms if we don't, as congress, make clear what's expected of them. not only does this legislation help teachers, school leaders and state and local governments, it also helps families. families. particularly military families. they can change school districts several times during their child's education. our experience with the free market tells us that informed consumers are in fact the best
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consumers. and the best protected consumers. as consumers of education, families deserve the best information possible in making decisions regarding their child's education. so, mr. speaker, the strengthening education through research act will improve education research, will protect taxpayers by enhancing program accountability, and will help ensure more schools and students can actually benefit from effective education practices. for all these reasons, mr. speaker, i urge my colleagues to support the strengthening education through research act and i reserve the balance of my ime. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the chair recognizes the gentleman from california. mr. miller: i recognize for four minutes, the gentlewoman from new york, mrs. mccarthy, the lead author on the democratic side on this legislation. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady is recognized. mrs. mccarthy: thank you, mr. speaker. i want to thank ranking member
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