back to the states. they said, let's find her a school so she can go to school. we decided not to put her in a public space because she was very fragile. nightmares.s facing anh we were administration that was denying genocide, we felt we couldn't sacrifice the mental health of this young child. that changed a couple weeks ago when the terrorists went to and abductedge about 300 girls.

her mom graduated from that , and in a normal world maybe she would have gone to that cool. said, do yout and want to speak up and put a face to this travesty? kind enough to say yes, will do that. this brings us to where we are now. break -- a bit a of context. boko haram are gentlemen terrorists. tongue-in-cheek. they say, we don't kill the elderly. we don't kill women. count.ans and jews don't

they cameis classic. in to kill the pastore, and they made a calculation that the sun should be killed or does he might grow up and become a pastor. this is an example of shifting those it would not kill. what has happened from the fact finding missions was the christian response was they would move the men out and leave the women the hind. behind. there were many camps who left women behind because boko haram said they don't kill weapon. that changed overnight.

boko haram realized they are going out of the terrorism business. we have to come up with a new plan. we have 300 young women abducted , take into this camp -- taken to this camp, and they have become slaves brides. they dodged a bullet when boko haram was still working on rules of engagement. now the story has changed. they wouldn't have done the gentlemanly thing of tying her up and leaving her overnight. this is how it is a vaulting. thing -- evolving.

i want to reveal a few trends. they have essentially decimated the male population of many parts of northern nigeria. is the fact that boko haram is becoming tactically more superior than the security forces on the ground. we have mentioned they are way more sophisticated, but in response to the global outcry over the of action of the girls, we have sent the report that the americans are sending us instant -- assistance, etc., and what

happened last time we were out there is boko haram blew up ridges. this is a group taking -- ridges -- bridges. resilient and how deadly a are. -- they are. i want to mention another concern. the humanitarian impact is such that we are seeing population into cameroon. entire villages -- i was in cameroon, and a pastor explained the entire village will couple overnight and acrosse marched

the border. they were killing people in their homes and looting the property. displacement has been going on for almost a year. this is disturbing because boko haram struck a village. then there was population displacement. we have this going on for a year. let me mention things that concern me. we noticed they were distributing grains for the

people who fled there from nigeria. they said, this is the first time we have and given food in 49 days. not and said in 49 said -- have not even been fed in 49 days. we have an ineffective military response. then there is an ineffective risk onto the victims of terrorism. we are at a point where the international community needs to respond effectively to what is going on in nigeria. that one ofo add , therends we are seeing one i referred to earlier about women, we haveof

actually -- jubilee campaign has actually encountered a couple of escape child slaves brides. the stories they narrate are chilling and harrowing. inone of our trips september, we literally were terrorists are striking right now. so weve got to tone back, ask what is happening. why are they striking now? there is a girl terrorists captured. a are looking for her. became mild-mannered superheroes. we got out of there.

some of you may have seen her yesterday. escape she is the only child bride to give her an interview. we were able to move her out of the location. realize this is part of the women becauseck most of the men are gone. of some of the atrocities, boko haram takes you back to the camp. harm't became doing much if i go into more details. at the cap she was taken to in the mountains of nigeria and

cameroon, every day for a week she was asked to renounce her faith or die, and she refused. on the seventh day one of the terrorists came up and said to today is the final day. they are going to slit your throat. i am going to ask you to do your self a favor. islam and spare your life. like theher in just girls on the tv, and she was assigned to be the wife of one of the terrorists. however, they said, she is an infidel. she needs to go through a before shen process

can become good enough to be the bride of a terrorist. they designated her on a 90 day purification plant. the good news is she played along with them. she realized her window of opportunity was slipping. close to the end of the 90 day she feigned illness. they said, what are we going to do? would not have cared about her life if she had remained a , but then, -- a christian now she had carried ammunition

was one ofh, so she the boys. they let her go out for treatment with another muslim when as her chaperone. they got to the town they scaped. is a little more that is disturbing. disappointed a journalist met her, took her photograph, lasted on the internet, and gave her name. it was so revolting. again. o relocate some people don't have the discretion to realize you can put this young lady at risk.

slaveas the earliest ride we have encountered. since then we have encountered about five. numbers ofn huge ducted. -- abducted. >> this seems to be an escalation. there have been these abductions in the past, but to take 300 girls at once, what is going on? escalating? what are they advocating the west do about it?

>> clearly they are escalating. attackedally they have churches on sundays, so when the attacky is employed they schools. noticed they would attack empty schools. now they are attacking inhabited schools. the terrorists are way more resilient than the state department is. i wrote an article about the abduction of the girls. my point was i think i ask that it be

circulated to all of you. my point there was that the terrorists are energized by the media attention they are getting. that is not to say we should not report it. but they have done so many horrible things and finally they picked up the girls and everyone is watching them. i said, they're going to strike again and go for more girls. 48 hours later, they struck again and took it more girls. this is a make it or break it time for boko haram. if we snuff them out now, they know what will get our attention. they're going to keep putting it in our faces. as far as recommendations go, the state department in the u.s. needs to pay attention to the core theological basis of this group. this is not an economic rebel movement. i read in a newspaper that said

they were rebels. they are not rebels. their anarchic and jihadist. when you frame it in the right context, then you can have an appropriate response. they do not have the same responses. we do not have a cure for ebola and we do not have a cure for extreme islamism. containment, not appeasement, is the solution. i want to make one key point to that we understand how crazy these guys are. in the first place, they want an islamic bureaucracy in northern nigeria. you cannot achieve that in a country where the population is 50% christian. we are talking about massive genocide. here's the thing. in northern nigeria, when they are insisting and demanding

sharia law, a guy was sentenced to death by stoning for rape. there is sharia law. but they want a very extreme version. this is why they were originally called the nigerian taliban. they want to have public beheadings in stadiums where people can gather they do not like the process were you go into court and you have trials. that is too slow and boring. they want to do it the old-fashioned way. they are savages that we are dealing with. this is a threat of existential proportions to the inchoate democratic governmental structures in africa.

when 9/11 occurred in the united states, it was an inconvenience to some of our constitutional right to privacy and tsa was a nuisance. but in africa, it is a different ballgame. it is a threat to the legal system and to the rule of law and to democracy. dr. king says it well. injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere to stop that is why this should be of great importance. >> thank you very much. we have time for a few questions. please identify yourself. and wait for the microphone. >> thank you. scott newman from abc 7. thank you for doing this. i am curious, deborah, as we talked about boko haram and how much it affects the communities,

the neighborhoods, was this something you always feared? is there a day that you go through life without worrying about boko haram? what is it like to be in an area where they are so dominant? >> yes, we move from one place to another. we were concerned that they would attack. my dad always moves, but they kept following him. >> you said earlier that you got somehow to move out of that region into the capital from another pastor. what happened to that pastor? >> he was killed by boko haram. >> it was may 15 last year.

the pastor who paid for her to get out of town, this very pastor who introduced me to her, boko haram came to his home and killed him in front of his kids. >> hearing these stories, you get the sense of boko haram is encircling these areas and targeting sporadically but consistently. it is not systematic, but over time, a lot of people are being affected. >> they have different strategies. they were very systematic in some places. they would go out and mark the homes of christians. they would come back at night

and kill off the christian males. that is how entire neighborhoods would be. most of the wounds that we see on male christians from northern nigeria our trauma to the head. they shoot to kill and most times it is at point blank range. we have worked with several survivors. there are only three survivors of boko haram in the u.s. we have worked of all of them. deborah and one other guy in texas. the guy in texas has trauma to the head. he was shot in the head. boko haram killed his landlords. they came to the funeral and shot everybody to stop he is the sole survivor. he was med-evaced to the u.k. the doctors worked on him for a couple of years.

they said, there's nothing we can do for you, let's send you to america. they all have gunshots to the head. that is what they do. people fled inland. in this state, they are back in the rural communities. that is why they are fleeing. there is much for are the people inland. the world people literally ran out of town. entire villages on foot. there is a level of systematic annihilation. they are also sporadic. like the assassination of this pastor. >> ryan? >> brian murphy.

retired from the department of state. what would you have the international community do that has not been done? particularly in the united states? >> the first recommendation is a change in the paradigm that they are using to look at this. this must be properly framed in the lens of global jihad. then we can formulate appropriate responses. the u.s. has had extensive experience dealing with insurgencies. in afghanistan and in iraq. the u.s. terrorism report says that boko haram is the second

deadliest terrorism group next to the taliban. who has the best experience dealing with the taliban? the u.s. we can make this works. there needs to be tactical intelligence. we have not seen much of that. again, the humanitarian response. i cannot emphasize this enough. when you have a country that is 50% christian and 50% muslim, if the christians get pushed to the wall, something will give. that is the doomsday scenario that i dread. there has been an amazing reserve of grace and graciousness. but that is not inexhaustible. when the dam bursts, it is a country of 150 million people. it will make bosnia look like child's play. one of the things we noticed is

that people who did not flee are being re-victimized. i met a widow named naomi. home.aram came to her very resilient. boko haram killed her husband in front of her and they burned her home in front of her. she had nowhere to go. she said to them, please kill me. she had an eight-month-old baby and said, these kill me. you have destroyed my home until my husband. and they said, we do not kill women. she eventually went to live with her uncle stop and then some months later, they came to her

uncle's house and killed again. how she is not in a vegetative state, i do not know. at some point, people will say, i cannot take it anymore. that is where we will have bigger problems. assistance to the victims will help. that is one of the things we need to be looking at. >> this lady over here. >> you spoke about difficulty in getting a visa for deborah. what is in place now for people like deborah and others who want to come to the united states? we spoke about helping them there and in afghanistan, people were brought to the united states. >> i wish i could say there was something in place. even after deborah -- the sole survivor of a massacre was denied twice by the embassy. we end up spending so much time fighting the administration on

issues like visas, that we cannot devote enough resources to the actual work of saving the people. we got involved with a congressman. deborah and another victim, it took congressional intervention to get them to come to the united states. >> the state department has been reluctant to talk about this in terms of religious persecution. i'm thinking about a speech in 2012, or a congressman said that this was a problem of poor delivery of government services. that is what was motivating boko haram. poverty. and the response to that was economic at the time. they were trying to develop and

ignore. that has been counterproductive and we lost a decade of stop unless the analysis starts changing, it will be a continuing problem. they do not recognize the human rights crisis. maybe this incident will change that. over here. >> deborah, i would like to hear a little more of your story. could you tell us about your family and your mother and what happened to her? you said you did not play with the muslim children. is it very segregated, your town? are you divided into two different communities? >> no.

my dad and my brother, he always told me to stay. me not to follow bad kids. when i am with the muslim kid, they tell me that my god is fake. i try to avoid them. when this happens, my mom travels. my brother, the only person i have. i don't have any other sisters or brothers. >> did you have a question? >> i am with the "christian post." for years there have been atrocities in northern nigeria

. i am curious, why do you believe that this particular instance has garnered so much attention compared to other incidents? >> maybe i should follow from where she left off. it is not so much the question of segregation between christians and muslim communities. her case is interesting because her mom is muslim. her dad was christian. it is one of those strange love stories that does not end well. they got married. it became a problem. persecuted.ing the mom had to move south to avoid persecution. i should add here that after they killed her brother and her dad, they sat down and made a

mental evaluation. we got it wrong. she is the spawn of an apostate. we should have killed her. they revised the rules of engagement to make an exception for deborah and her mom. that is why she is unsafe. but let me frame it this way. persecution in northern nigeria has been the new normal. it has been that way for decades. every couple of years, a christian girl will be abducted and converted to islam and married off. her parents do nothing. this is not terrorism. it happens every year. as a child, a friend of mine who was american, they took her off and married her off. there was a newspaper headline celebrating the fact that a top christian's daughter had become a muslim. i grew up with that as a child. and she is an american citizen.

what is happening now is persecution on steroids. northern nigerian christians are used to being killed a couple of times a year. there's a lunar eclipse -- i am not making this up. you can google it. there will be a riot, churches are bombed. there is a sense of infidels covering up the moon. this is normal in northern nigeria. for terrorists to come out and abduct 300 kids. you cannot kill us all the time. this is gaining international attention. the timing of this event -- remember that we are going through the trauma of the loss of flight 370. we did all we could and we could not save them. then we had the horrific

incident with the ferry in south korea. this is the third traumatic experience in our collective humanity recently. unlike the other two, this is redeemable. they can still be saved. i think that we are trying to say, what can we do to redeem the situation? i do not want to psychoanalyze the globe, but i think there are some elements of hope within all of us that says that something will come out of this. >> i want to add that we abolish slavery about 150 years ago. that has become the norm. this was a really bold move of boko haram to say, no, we are going back to the bad old days.

these are our slaves. we will sell for $12 apiece. it shocked the conscience of the world. i know moderate muslims have stood up in southern nigeria and protested this. i know that the nigerian muslim community in washington has access to full it has caught on around the world. it is an escalation and something that was so shocking that we cannot turn away. >> i'm from the institute on religion and democracy. emanuel, you were talking about the fact that northern nigerian christians have been treated as second-class citizens. this kind of behavior makes clear the cognitive dissonance that the state department was under where they have said that it is muslims who are marginalized and impoverished and that is why the

poor things do it they do. isn't it true that the state department has pressured the nigerian government to share power with people who were not elected? >> yes. the u.s. has put a lot of pressure on the nigerian government. some of the pressure has been misleading. it has misdirected the government of nigeria. at a time when the nigerian government should have had a military risk on to the insurgency, the state department was saying that it was economic. you need to throw more money at the problem. it was not until the terrorist captured significant swaths of territory and some governments that, you have to help us out of our the nigerian government

realized what was happening and sent in troops. yes, we have seen some of that misguidance from the u.s. we do need to hold the u.s. to properly reevaluate situation stop let me walk through the poverty argument again. islam has basic safety net for the poor. muslims are some of the most contented human beings that i have ever met. they believe that if they are not rich, it is god's will. they are not malcontents as the

state department is trying to portray. i interviewed an american survivor of the u.n. bombing in nigeria. she said to me, exactly the same words to me. this is not economic. muslims are not the average material of the western model. i do not operate like that. it does need to be changed. >> there was an unemployment issue. with young men in northern nigeria stop it may have been exacerbated by the boko haram. the ideology is being against education. >> there is massive unemployment. i will emphasize that we had the militancy in the south. that was clearly economic in nature. what we have in the north is not

the same. i should point out that a lot of the unemployment in northern nigeria is self-inflicted. there is a warped theological practice that some say is not genuinely islamic. someone will have 40 kids and essentially they will dump them on the streets. it is a specific system. northern nigeria is intentionally growing street kids.

we have farms producing unemployable street kids. it is kind of like southeast d.c. here. it is intentional in nigeria. there's a bill in the nigerian congress. they want to send kids to school. muslims are up in arms against it. you cannot force us. it is hampering the ability of nigerian democracy to deal decisively with some of these problems. the system is not because of no schools. it is because they believe they should leave the kids on the street to get koranic instruction from radical mullahs. they are the ones who are responsible for a lot of violence against christians. >> i think that our time is up. i want to thank you all for coming.

[applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> deborah has one last message she wants to share with you. [applause] >> at the white house, jay to reportersded

about the administration's response. he said that the u.s. is not taking about actively sending military forces. is making accain tol for u.s. special forces be used to rescue those girls. what's the white house take on that today. is that something that is being examined? >> we are actively advising, in cluding through military personalnel, the nigerian government as it seeks to locate and rescue these girls. finding them is the first step. our military personnel at the embassy and any additional personnel we may deploy are in

an advisory capacity. we are not considering the deployment of u.s. forces to participate in a combined rescue mission. important to be mindful of where we are in this process and not get ahead of ourselves. we as engaged at many levels part of this group that stood up at the embassy with part of the group at the embassy from africa and elsewhere to assist the government in the effort under girls.find the kidnapped xed-wingludes manned fi reconnaissance. it also includes unmanned reconnaissance flights. i would note that even the area where there

is the greatest suspicion that the girls might be is something ofng the size of the state west virginia. this is a pretty vast expanse of territory. intelligence to share about the location or the girls or whether they are altogether. time is of the essence. the nigerian government is leading this effort. step back and to thatstand the challenges this search effort is facing. >> that was from today's white house briefing.

and the nigerian government's response. that is at 10:00 eastern on our companion network c-span3. here on c-span, ericsson seki will appear before lawmakers to report that serious delays in patient care in arizona. we will have live coverage beginning at 10:00 eastern. we will be getting feedback from tomorrow's hearing. you can weigh in using the # cspanchat. >> convergence, you use that word throughout your walk. what does that mean? >> throughout the country, there is a convergence of left-right agreement on many things that is the eating push down why but the democratic and republican party and their leaders. we start with public opinion around the country. it does not matter, red state or

blue state. they are upset with the patriot act restrictions on privacy and free-speech. there is a big convergence. they do not like subsidy handouts to corporations, especially the wall street bailout type where were prosecuted and put in jail. they want a crackdown on corporate crime. big business gets away with a lot of stuff. it is mainstream versus wall street. they do not like empire. pushing't like us around all over the world into countries and losing our soldiers and they come back traumatized and wasting trillions of dollars while all these people around the country see rumbling public works. america needs repair. we are blowing it up overseas. that is a convergence issue.

creatingnader on left-right alliances. >> the women's foreign policy group hosted a discussion with national security advisor susan rice on foreign-policy challenges including russian intervention in the ukraine, the syrian war, the benghazi investigation and efforts to rescue the kidnapped nigerian girls. >> i hope you have enjoyed your lunch. have been waiting to hear from has arrived. we are going to get started.

we are so delighted to have this program today with the women's policy group. i have to say at the outset, as someone who worked at the news hour some years ago, it has been a thrill to watch the growth of this organization. it is a thrill to bring together women who are not only interested in foreign policy, but who are accomplishing things in foreign policy. as we heard earlier, the mentor program with young women is remarkable and i know that is going to continue to grow as well. so now it is my great pleasure to introduce the person you have come to hear, ambassador susan rice. she is, as you know, the president's national security adviser. she has been in this position since july of last year. before that she was ambassador to the united nations and of course a member of the president's cabinet. during the clinton administration, she served as u.s. assistant secretary of state for african affairs, and prior to that, as senior director for african affairs and the director of international organizations and peacekeeping at the national security

council. between her two stints in government, she was a senior fellow at the brookings institute. i could go on and on, but we want to leave time for questions, so please join me in welcoming ambassador susan rice. [applause] >> there are so many areas of the world getting a lot of attention right now, it's hard to know where to begin. maybe that's how you feel every morning. but just to start with something i know has captured everyone's attention the last couple of weeks and that is nigeria. what right now is the state of the search for these young girls

who were kidnapped, abducted from their school. and the u.s. has now joined the search with the nigerian government. >> i appreciate you asking about it. this is such a horrific situation. for those of us who are policymakers but also those of us who are parents, as i am, it is heartbreaking to imagine your teenage girl taken away and potentially at risk of being sold into captivity or worse. this has gripped all of us in the administration and across the country. we are doing all we can to support the nigerian government's efforts to recover the girls, which is obviously -- job one is to try to find them. they are now missing in an area that is roughly the size of the state of west virginia. that is a large territory. the united states is very actively involved. we have a team now of up to 30 people on the ground cooperating

closely with the nigerian government. our team consists of diplomats, military advisers, intelligence experts, law-enforcement experts and even development experts all coordinating closely with the nigerian government and now, increasingly, with representatives from the british government, the french government, and the israeli government, all of whom are there in search of the girls. we are also applying aerial assets including manned and unmanned aircraft to do what we call intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance over this large area so we can maximize the resources devoted to trying to locate the girls. as i said, that's job one. >> i think everyone has observed how long it took the government

of good luck jonathan, to get started on this. >> we're certainly pleased that now they have accepted international offers of assistance, including that of the united states. we indicated early on our readiness to help in whatever ways they felt necessary. it is late, but hopefully it is not too late. the good news is that the best efforts of the countries that can provide the most sophisticated support and surveillance are now on the scene. the government is working cooperatively with us and others on the ground in an all hands effort. >> you will not be surprised to know that there are already voices on capitol hill being, if not critical, at least questioning the administration. senator susan collins is saying that there should be special forces deployed. john mccain is saying that not only should there be troops, but they should be sent in even if the nigerian government does not want them.

[laughter] >> well -- [laughter] let me say that obviously in this sort of situation the responsibility rests with the government of nigeria to provide for the security of its people and to protect the citizens. to the extent they make requests of us or others to provide support, we are open to entertaining those, but obviously, as we said at the outset, the most important thing now is to locate the girls. there is no point in sending in additional support if we don't know where they are. that has to be the first order of business. >> but you're not ruling it out. >> frankly, in all likelihood, if we were to do more, it would likely be in an advisory capacity, which is what we are doing now and could potentially

do more of if we had better information on where the girls were located. >> there are so many parts of the world to ask you about. i next want to turn to ukraine. there are roundtable talks about ukraine decentralizing the government in some way, potentially shifting power to officials outside of kiev. do these talks, in your view, have a chance of success since at this point the government is still not including any representatives of the pro-russian separatist? >> for folks that have been following this closely, they began the day, as judy said, in the parliament building in kiev. it is quite a broad cross-section of ukrainian

society, folks from the east, south, west, former politicians, groups of all sorts supported by the osce -- an international organization that has been integral in trying to reduce tensions inside the ukraine. it does not yet include elements from the armed opposition. the government has taken the perspective that if they are to participate in a national dialogue or roundtable, they need to lay down their weapons. the separatists, for their part, have refused to participate as well. this is something we hope can be inclusive as possible. clearly, a national dialogue is not the place for armed elements, but if they wish to participate and do so on a peaceful basis, i think the government of ukraine would be open to that and we certainly would be supportive. the osce, an organization we are

a member of, has committed itself to supporting this process. there is an internal dialogue within ukraine to deal with the very real issues of language that need to be resolved. >> do you think a new form of government in ukraine is inevitable given what we have seen in the informal elections? some have called it a referendum. others are not recognizing the legitimacy of it. clearly there is dissatisfaction on the part of a significant minority, if not majority, in parts of eastern ukraine. >> i would not say anything is inevitable in this context. first of all, there will be elections in a couple of weeks time. these are important elections that the vast majority of

ukrainians are committed to participating in and taking seriously. we hope very much that security conditions will be such that those elections can be held throughout the country. it is a small minority that has resorted to armed tactics in the east, and the ukrainian people, having been through a huge political and social transformation, want very much to have the opportunity to determine for themselves the future form of government and their constitution. there is clearly a need to have a roundtable dialogue to work through the ease issues that are so divisive, including decentralization. they will do so, i think, with the opportunity to chart together what their new form of government will be.

i don't think there is inevitably going to be an external dictating of the ukrainian government. >> in crimea, it seemed a quick move for russia to come in and annex crimea. does that say to you that resolution of this is possible and possible in the near term, or do you look at this as a long, drawnout slog, in effect, that will mean rising sanctions and continued tensions with the russians. they have already said americans can't use their rockets for space exploration. it seems like every day there is something else. which explanation do you see.

>> the true answer is one cannot be certain how this is going to unfold. first, to be clear, what happened in crimea is completely illegitimate. nobody in the international community gives that any credence. that itself is something we need to be firm about and recognize that there are costs that have already been imposed for the illegal annexation of crimea and nobody is excepting that. beyond that, what the russians choose to do and what they will risk for themselves going forward is really the tension we are dealing with. on the one hand, russians have seen significant cost to their economy already. in terms of flow of capital and private businesses being very reticent to get involved in what was already a weakening economy. we have been very clear that if russians move forces in or take

actions that cannot be held in a credible fashion, that will trigger much more significant sanctions, including, as we have indicated, sanctions on key elements of the russian economy. i think that prospect has been heard and understood. i would not say definitively. he has to weigh the very real risks to this country and this economy of further destabilization. >> let's turn to the middle

east, where there is a lot to look at. starting with syria. yesterday you and the president met with the leader of the syrian opposition at the white house, reaffirmed your political commitment to a solution. but there are two other new developments. a designated mediator quit his job. among other things, he criticized the rest of the world for failing to agree on humanitarian aid, much less assistance that would bring this crisis to an end.

the administration's statement says that assad regime has lost all legitimacy. but he holds the upper hand. he has called an election. his military seems to have the upper hand. what can anyone on the outside, including the administration, due to change the situation on the ground in syria? >> we had a very productive meeting yesterday with the syrian opposition. it was not just the leader of the military side of the opposition. advisors.f their top the meeting lasted over two hours. we had an opportunity to hear from them what they most want from the united states and the international community. it was a very interesting discussion in several respects. first, what they explicitly do not want his u.s. military intervention. what they do want is increased support, which is exactly what

we are doing. a large part of the discussion focused on their desire to be able to stand up hospitals and schools, and the institutions of civil authority in the areas they control. they're very concerned, obviously, as we are, about the humanitarian situation. the united states is the largest provider of humanitarian assistance, 1.7 billion dollars worth, which they are very appreciative of, and obviously want to see continued. the problem on the humanitarian side, which we discussed at length, is really twofold. there is a denial of access across borders that the government is substantially responsible for, and the use of barrel bombs and other weapons of terror that are increasingly a tactic employed by the government. they have asked for support to

deter the use of aerial bombardment, particularly barrel bombs, along with increased humanitarian, civilian, and of course they want military assistance. from the u.s. point of view, we have for quite a while been not only the primary provider of humanitarian assistance, we have been ramping up our support to the opposition both in terms of the armed opposition in the civilian opposition. we have been very careful to try to vet the aid we provide. that is increasing and they acknowledge and appreciate that it is increasing. >> there is a disagreement over more lethal assistance. the administration is concerned that it gets to the wrong hands. >> they are very concerned about getting into the wrong hands, too.

they are in fact fighting a two front war, on the one hand against assad regime and on the other hand against the extremists, the al qaeda elements. they are very focused, frankly, on the need to eradicate the radical threat as well as dealing with the assad regime through the negotiating table. they view the military effort against assad as a way of getting to the negotiating table. >> the french foreign minister said there is evidence the syrian government has used chemical weapons more than a dozen times after it signed a treaty banning them. he went on to say france had been prepared to use force last year as part of a u.s.-led

coalition, but has not wanted to act alone. he said of the strike had been carried out, it would've changed many things. do you or the president have any regrets at this point about not moving into syria? >> the credible threat to use military force was to deal with the threat of chemical weapons. i think there are no number of airstrikes that might have been contemplated that would have done what has been accomplished, which is 92.5% of the declared chemical weapons are out of the country. that last eight percent, we are determined to get out. we made more progress in that regard in the time that has expired than many would've thought possible. i was in israel last week meeting, as i do with some regularity, with my israeli colleagues and counterparts. they have obviously for many years been deeply concerned about the chemical weapons inside of syria and the risk

that poses to israel and other neighboring countries. they thanked us profusely for our approach and our success in helping to get those chemical weapons out, which has substantially increase their sense of security even as they are dealing with the very difficult environment. i want to thank ambassador rose and our undersecretary for arms control, who has been the most active person and to work with the united nations and the russians to get those chemical weapons out. i think that is a huge success. i think it is important that we recognize that had we not had a credible threat of force the serious would not have a knowledge they had these weapons much less shipped them out. in terms of the recent allegations, that is something we are quite concerned about. the allegations, by the way, are

that the syrian government might have used a form of chlorine gas, which is not the same substance as sarin and the other lethal banned substances that are on the chemical weapons list, but the use of chlorine, which is an industrial chemical, even though it is not on the chemical weapons prohibited list. it is a crime. it is against the chemical weapons convention if it is used in combat. we are looking very seriously at that through the opw, which has launched an investigation on the ground. they are the ones doing the

removal. if in fact these allegations are verified, we will deal with them accordingly. but i want to be clear that there is some confusion in the public domain. these are not the same weapons that were meant to be confiscated previously. >> but based on what the french foreign minister said, it sounded like there was some division among western powers. he said if the president had acted it would have changed many things. >> because we acted, it made it clear that the use of force was credible. it changed and 92.5% of the chemical weapons are out of syria. there has been discussion, and you are very familiar with comments you made in the time when you served in the clinton administration. samantha power, the u.s. ambassador now, quoted you as saying that after rwanda, 20 years ago, i swore to myself that if i ever faced such a crisis again, i would come down on the side of dramatic action.

going down in flames if that is required. >> some would argue that i have. [laughter] >> isn't syria is equally horrible a humanitarian crisis as rwanda? >> it is not a genocide. one million people have not been killed with machetes in a door to door massacre. as human beings and policymakers, mothers and fathers, we feel these tragedies personally and deeply. i visited rwanda six months after the genocide.

schoold through yards and church yards where the bodies still weren't buried. that is the kind of experience that will never leave me or any other individual who experiences. when you see a situation like syria and the cost in lives is extraordinary, one feels passionately about it. what are the tools available to us? syria is now a civil war. it is something that is horrific, but it needs to be distinguished from the type of genocide that we saw in rwanda. there will be instances where

the tools we have can be deployed with greater or lesser effect to prevent the continuation of the conflict. this is not the only one. what is happening in other areas has cost many lives. it is profoundly disturbing. if you visit there, you see the huge human cost. you can say the same in places like somalia and south sudan and the central african republic. in each of these instances, i think our consciences are tested.

that doesn't mean in every instance, that the obvious answer is international military intervention. sometimes it may be. but not always. as pained as we are by circumstance, i do not think that it is reasonable or wise to think that our military intervention is viable. >> do you have a yardstick for when it is appropriate? >> i do not think there is a yardstick. each circumstance is different. the approach of the international community may vary. the complexity of the situation may differ. let's talk about libya. we were able to create some positive affect. on the eve of the un security council, qaddafi's forces were on the outskirts of benghazi. he had said that he was going to wipe it out. he had a history of wiping out so many people.

threat. a credible what distinguished libya was that the community was united. there was no great power for his government. it was not a situation in which you had al qaeda and other extremists involved. it was not a situation that had regional dimensions. we were able to accomplish that in a coalition. it included arab states and countries. that is different from what we are dealing with in syria. or in any number of the other places we discussed.

>> since you brought up benghazi -- [laughter] >> you are too smart for that. come on. the republicans have created a special committee in the house of representatives to look at what happens before and during the attack on the consulate. that was when the ambassador and three others were killed. what more is there? >> dang if i know. the administration has produced at least 25,000 pages of documents or individual documents. they have supported, participated in, contributed to we have had an accountability review board by a very group of outside

outsiders. committees have pronounced on this repeatedly. hard to imagine what yet another come of committee. what i think about and focus on the national security advisor is what we can do and what we do with congress to increase the security of our mbassies and facilities around the world. we have a budget request on the poeu.6 billion that is necessary in the judgment to n's make the upgrades and provide the security our facilities need. on that.us because what is lost in all of sunday cussion about shows and talking points is away on four brave americans that day and their families and with them who work continue to grieve. to doe last thing we need

is lose any more. looking around the world in somalia and any number of places where american and american servicemen and women are doing ont we ask them to do, being the front lines of our foreign policy, they deserve the support we can best n provide. >> but do you not think it is committee for the chairman to look at, among other things, whether the should have done more to make that consulate make the ambassador safe before this happened? >> absolutely. and is what we have done why we had an accountability eview board and why we're implementing toes recommendations and -- those recommendations and seeking the not only to deal with what transpired in libya but the risk our personnel may face in parts of the world feel the security,and safety of

is absolutelynnel the top priority of the president, the administration congress. to be of to the extent we are focusing on that i think we all agree that be.here the focus ought to >> several other things i want to ask and i want to incorporate givenuestions i have been from you all. egotiation over iran's nuclear program resuming again today. what is your sense? is that feeling like there is to be a productive outcome? >> too soon to tell. the negotiations for the comprehensive agreement have -- are about halfway through. can say so far is that he interim agreement that was concluded in january has been by the ially i..ed iranians, by the other side, including us. and that is indeed a positive step because what it means is

be ridding itself enrichedockpile of 20% uranium. it will be rolling back its interim rogram in this period in meaningful ways while t halts progress on the remaining elements. whether we will get to a successful conclusion of a agreement, i think, is very much to be determined. going to be some very difficult issues, and the have to make some very difficult decisions feel saudi arabia has come,ed iranian leaders to kop which is remarkable because they have been archrivals. how significant of a move is that? move. is a good it is one that we've certainly encouraged and supported. because the tensions in the

go well beyond saudi arabia and iran but are being out including in places can best be addressed by enhanced communication and we supported that. whether it laps and what comes of it ens and what comes we will have to see. > you came back from a trip with israel and met their leaders and you met with the palestinian leaders. any hope for serious peace talks year? coming >> any hope? i think those of us who work in business always have to have hope. and i do. but i think that we are clearly a point of pause in the that were tiations going on for the last nine months. and we have made clear and my message to both sides was that

sustain abable solution to his tragic conflict is yet a negotiated two-state solution. that is our view. position of both sides. but they are not yet ready to the steps, i think, to actualize that. underscored in the meantime as we manage this they of pause and as manage this moment of pause more to takey they ought not steps either of them that make the circumstances more tense or fraught. >> what has happened the last weeks is that some of the u.s. officials involved in those negotiations are now it was the israeli government's expansion of settlemen settlements, specifically prime to build etanyahu 14,000 more housing units that

effort.d the peace >> i think you have heard american officials say quite what i have said and what others have said is, ook, first of all we are disappointed that it wasn't possible to continue the negotiations. not been, in our judgment, the fault of one side other. than the both sides, in our estimation -- e said this very directly -- took steps particularly in the atter stages that were not conducive it a positive atmosphere and those steps israeli the government's decision not to release prisoners and to activity, ettlement but it included quite notably palestinians' decision to acre accede to treaty bodies which is they previously retpraeupd from doing and was very upsetting to the israeli

side. and the very surprising and untimely announcement of a bid reconcile with hamas that very end.e both sides took steps that were disappointing and not conducive to progress, sides have the ability, should they choose, to resume the negotiations. but the israelis will ontinue to build settlements, so how do peace talks get started again under those circumstances? well, judy, if there were a hopbl wand we would have waved it and we would not have 60 plus years of conflict. don't have the ability to sit today and say here is our silver bullet. think both sides should have the responsibility to look at their circumstances, look at their future, look at their

and ask themselves how do you fortunately a future of peace? sides will have to make very difficult decisions to do that. e think it is in their interests to do so. has the prospect of a secure recognized the h state that has recognition of countries throughout the region. that it has hing sought and wants. he palestinians want a viable state of their own. they both say they want to live peace and e in security. that is a future we want for both but we can't want it more they do. >> there are a couple other countries i want to mention. and what happened recently between china and vietnam. faulting the u.s. foreign couraging progress

-- encouraging moves.tive -- provocative moves. in we have rioting going on vietnamese cities purportedly but i chinese factories guess other plants are involved as well. can, if anything, the u.s. resolve what is clearly a in that rea of tension part of the world? china has issues with japan and vietnam. what constructive role can the u.s. play there? the u.s. has been very clear these y way to resolve territorial disputes are through the mechanisms of international law and peaceful resolution. is the law of the sea

convention or other .nternational legal instruments we have not and never have taken sovereignty ofhe disputed ite -- territories but we've been clear steps to e action and create facts on the ground that omplicate the prospect for diplomatic resolution are unhelpful. that was the message the in part during ur recent trip to asia, and it won wide support from each of where, tries he visited in fact, what we are seeing in are countries that want good and constructive relationships with china but are increasingly unnerved and put as by what they view provocative and aggressive actions by china. we have been clear that what china has done vis-a-vis this

putting down t of n oil rig and both sides employing shows of force to that is response to provocative and unhelpful. and what you saw behind closed at the azian meeting last eekend was a great deal of anxiety which doesn't serve kind well. in the s every interest countries of that region wanting to partner with it. lined closed -- ehind closed doors of how to counter it. and wants to be welcomed accepted as a major player, not just in its own neighborhood but on the global stage. to the extent it is becoming subject ofed and the opposition within ts own neighborhood can't be a

welcome development. >> i was just handing a card saying the chinese seem to be to build a y reef ure on a johnson which is in the economic zone of the philippines. who handed me the question? where did it come from. on the same touches thing you were saying. > yes, it is very much in the same vein. we see the ambassador here from the philippines. a couple of there weeks ago. the philippines have approached us, we think, in a very responsible fashion by taking concerns and case to a , ibunal of the international the convention of the law of the sea. that is the type of mechanism hat we think can and should be utilized to resolve these kinds of disputes. rice, you are

aware of the criticism that has been leveled at the president, administration, for not being sufficiently strong -- i other adjectives -- not being sufficiently utspoken, not projecting american strength and presence and values in the world. the president himself addressed this briefly at a news asia ence when was in several days ago. how do you see that? how do you address the frustration that there are so world now thathe both look to the u.s. for leadership and he help, military or otherwise, and other hand parts of the world, so many parts of the role and nt the u.s. don't want the u.s. involved? s you sit back or lean forward how do you see all of that and what do you want this audience

know about that? >> first of all, there is no the planet as powerful and strong as the united states of america, hether it is the size of our economy, the strength of our allianc alliances, the power of our military military, knob matches us -- across any es us dimension. so the notion that the united withdrawn iscan or counterfactual. in ng spent time recently asia and europe, where we were consultation and communication with some of our partners, ours and asian allies and partners and european allies and partners, i that they all continue to look to the united their principal artner, friend and source of strength and protection. mutually alliances are

reinforcing and beneficial. was just in israel as i mentioned and prior to that on a eparate trip into the gulf regi region. and each of our partners is looking to the united states and grateful to the united states for what we provide in terms of cooperation, our global leadership on issues and the e spectrum, fact that there is nowhere else for them to look on the planet you have the moral leadership, the economic might, , the security our technology, ou know, the power of our culture and our society. he united states is very much in a very -- positive light in all those parts of the world.

one or ly, what is your two words of advice to young women here? >> why is that final? not that the time is not up. that should have been an earlier question. take as much time as you want. what is your advice to young women? a large ght that was part of what we were doing here. >> to young women who are making a career in foreign policy and national security? it.do two words. first of all, i want to be quite say i believe very eeply that young women and young people, not just women, ought to follow their passion. you should not do what your parents tell you to tdo when it picking your career. you should not do what you think s going to make you the most mon money. you should do what you love. that hope for many of you

will be public service. that is what i love. -- when i was 20 years old i cover gone either way. didn't know if i was going to end,in foreign policy, domestic policy, law. happen the way they happen. but i knew from the time that i wanted to be ld i a public servant and i think it so.a huge privilege to do i hope that many others will view it that way. e need the best and the brightest women and men to want one rve their country in way or another. and there are many ways to do that. it doesn't mean only in government. i think public service nonprofit the sector, and it encompasses and in many respects t can be accomplished in the private sector if the work one is doing serves a larger goal

group.ger so, i hope that folks will their passion. i love being in foreign policy. i think there is incredible incredible challenge. it is never boring. get to work with very smart, committed people and obviously n my case now for a president for whom i have enormous respect intellectually incredibly challenging to work with and for. but i do hope that all of you who are thinking of these sorts of careers will look incredibly challenging to caref i hope you would find it as rewarding as i have. >> even with the political polarization? >> it would be better if there weren't. for sure. you know what? mentioned that, going back to your prior question

in the erica's role world and our leadership i hope friends ess that our and partners point to, and the one thing that undermines our the world is our political polarization. countries that when look at us, they wonder and they we will have our collective internal act together. budget, it is over our whether it is over how we engage .n the world that is what undermines us, if anythi our ing, in terms of international standing. >> it is also the strength of our democracy. but we have had the democracy years.0-plus it hasn't always been as can be now.l as it let'sthat uplifting note, thank the ambassador.

[applause] rice, thank you or a scintillating discussion and helping us understand what president obama faces every day. present you to with the women's foreign policy celebrating alled women leader for being a role model and encouraging support be part of ide to foreign policy. thank you very much for being here. you for being here. we hope to see you at another event soon. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014]

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this is not for attribution. this is for background. it to a white te house source or something. you can't do that with live cameras. you can't say i'm just giving you this for background but this is not for publication. did you actually do that, do from the background podium at the white house? >> not a whole briefing. let me give you something on background so you know it is that., something like >> a fatal mistake that i made and this is in the weeds for our audience, but interesting to some of you, i did not put the we had at the state department, which is it was not available for live broadcast. it was available for use as part that you would produce because the briefing is news event. it is part of the way in which

eople gather information, put their stories together, test other sources, get other information, put together a comprehensive report and deliver it to your consumers of news. had to do i think 56 questions on what is universal healthcare. would that be 98%? 97%? about what in one person -- >> that sounds vaguely familiar. and 56 questions in one riefing and dave berry wrote a column saying she would be a nice person if you could take ask what r a beer and does universal life coverage mean. life of a house press ecretary sunday part of the american history tv on c-span 3 this weekend. >> radio talk show host and robin morgan at an event hosted by the

university of georgia. the state of the feminist movement, social media and women in politics. the author of several books including "fighting words, combatting the religious right "and "sisterhood is powerful." hour.s an >> thank you. when you say i do all of those things, now i know why i'm tired. feminist ecome a activist, i have had had a 30 ce to wash my hair in years so i'm giving you fair warning. i'm o glad to be here and just stunned and delight and humbled by the enormity of the attendance. it is very special, particularly that -- particularly to hear that you do throughout the and clearly the women studies present there is

clearly throughout the year you don't just settle for women's history month. and i have my moments of ambivalence about. because there's black history month. and there's women's history month and then what? the other 10 months are pale male months? [laughter] so we need to have a little elbow room and spread. well, we're going to cover a lot of ground so i'm going to leap right in. i thought that for some of the fresh women in women's studies, we would do a very short basics of where we're coming from and what we're up against in the world today. can you all hear ok? ok. just to have some perspective, and then i want to move on to positive things because i don't want you all to get sigh cotically depressed. but what we are up against is considerable. two out of three of the world's illiterates are women. and while the general illiteracy rate is falling, the female illiteracy rate is

rising in no small part due to our friend religious fundamentalism which of course wherever it's coming from that women reading is a danger which in fact it is. one third of all families in the world are headed by women. in the developing countries almost half of all single women over age 15 are mothers. only one third of the world's women have access to any contraceptive information. or devices. and more than half have no access to trained help during pregnancy and childbirth. women in the developing world are responsible for more than 50% of all food production. on the african continent alone women do 60% to 80% of food production. in many african languages, the word for farmer and the word for woman is the same word. in the industrialized countries women are still only paid half to three quarters of what men earn at the same jobs.

or lower paying so-called female intensive job categories. and still are the last hired and the first fired. in europe and north america women over 44% of the paid labor force, in addition to contributing more than 40% of the g.d.p. in unpaid labor in the home. as of 1982, and this persisted straight on through into the 2000's, 30 million people, it rose, actually, it's now 35 million, 37 million were unemployed in the industrialized countries and 800 million people in the third world were living in absolute poverty. the vast majority women and children, you know about the femization of poverty. if you don't, you should. approximately 500 million people suffer from hunger and malnutrition. the most seriously affected are children under age 5 and women.

20 million people die annually of hunger-related diseases. and causes. and one billion have chronic under nourishment and the majority are women and children. not only are females most of the poor, the starving, and the illiterate but women and children constitute more than 90% of all refugee and displaced persons populations. women outlive men in most countries, god knows how. but we do. and therefore we are the world's elderly. as well as the primary caregivers for the elderly as well as the primary caregivers for children, for the sick, and for the dying. the abuse of children is a woman's problem. because women bear responsibility for children in all cultures. and because it is mostly female children who are abused. since women face such physical changes as menstruation, pregnancy, childbearing, lactation, and menopause, in addition to the general health problems we share with men,

health and the crisis in world health is a women's problem. toxics pesticides and nuclear waste and deadly pollutants take their first toll as cancers of the female reproductive system. and in stillborn births and deformities. the pacific island women's movement, for example, was created out of pacific island women noticing that when the french were still doing nuclear tests on bikini island and other atols, they were giving birth to an epidemic of what they termed jellyfish babies, children born with no spines and out of that the pacific island women's movement was born. and as always, we are the first and worst affected and the last and least consulted on solutions. i don't know about you but i get a little paranoid when the same folks who brought us the problem are offering us the solution.

deforestation, for lumber sales, as export or for construction materials, results in a lowering of the water table, which in turn impacts on women because women are the primary fuel gatherers and water haulers of the world. when agribusiness moves into an agrarian situation, and usually with large tools and with money for men, and hiring men, what it does is totally disenfranchise the women farmers who then without land, sometimes follow their men to the city where they are considered less educable and less employable. so they wind up in one of three job areas. either multinational factories for approximately a dollar a day, if they're lucky, domestic servitude, including rape and battery, or prostitution. i could go on. but i think you get the picture.

so we're up against still after 40 years of contemporary feminism a crisis that affects most people on the planet. and when it's addressed, you know, when you give grants or microcredit to men, they use it for themselves. culturally. cross culturally. when you give it to women the whole family eats. and it took a while for the world bank, which is a little slow, to learn this. and where feminists were already saying it for 50 years. -- theme, though, of this this women's history month is women of courage, commitment, and what's the third one i'm getting like rick perry? character. character. thank you very much. so i -- this is in the don't get psychotically depressed

department before we get into social media. because all of these things tie together. i want to share with you a fistful of international women who existed long before there was social media or even in some cases legacy media. what we now call legacy media. and these are the internationals and then i'm going bring it all back home for the sisters here. because this is your heritage. you wonderful young women in this room. and you men of conscience. either you're men of conscience or you're smart, and just want to be on the winning side. or you thought, what a great place to meet smart girls. in any event you're here and this is a good sign. so i want to share some of these women with you because they are your heritage. how many people here, for example, know that gandhi's nonviolent resistance tactics were acknowledged even by him

to have been copied from the 19th century indiana suffrage movement? or that it was a woman's action which inspired the contemporary solidarity movement that began the cascade of freedom in the then soviet bloc and began in poland? or that the contemporary women's party in iceland which has now come to power with an amazing woman prime minister and president or that the feppist in party in canada and the feminist party in spain have been making crucial statements about women placing no more trust in traditional male political patriarchal political parties? for that matter, how many know of the existence as early as 1918 of the argentinean feminist party? or the chilean women's party? how many know the names, much less the accomplishments, of uch hidden heroens as aberta

bacari at age 18, 18, founded the italian feminist journal dona or maria jesus rivera who fornled a militant peruvian feminist movement in 1900 and who endured imprisonment and exile? the woman who organized the uprising against the british in kenya in 1911? or such women warriors as yaz and tawa of the shanti people of ghana, they're not familiar to us. and even not to women in their own countries. what pride might we feel if everybody knew about the waves of female rebellion in china's enormously long history? how it was a woman, the young astronomer wang jen wi, who discovered the law of lunar

eclipses? who led 40 han ju armies of 2,500 women each fighting for women's rights during the 1851 tie ping rebellion? i want to know where are they now that we really need them given the war on women in the united states? i would like 40 armies of 2,500 women each. or how jujin, the 19th century feminist poet, teacher and revolutionary dressed in men's clothing for freedom of movement, founded a girls school and was arrested and executed in 1908 because she refused to compromise her beliefs. and last, what inspiration might all women draw from aiming as a foremother radan cartini of indonesia who was forced to leave school by religious constraints at age 12? who educated herself and who spoke out against forced marriage and colonial oppression, who founded the

modern indonesian women's rights movement, and who started a girls school which had an enrollment of 120 students by 1904? all because before she died in childbirth at age 22. these are your shared heritage. they're joined by thousands of other women whose struggles i lumen our lisms. the first woman doctor in a country, the first woman journalist, the first woman accountant, the first woman notary. just stop for a moment and think about it. think of the hours of work. imagine the nights of despair. think about the years of endured ridicule and rejection. think of the personal cost. think of the exhaustion. think of the stubborn vision of just one such life.

and they're doing it today. the radio show which ke$ha keisha d and -- which mentioned and it's online, it's -- with itunes and in 110 countries. and it's at wnclive.com. and we've had many famous guests on. we've had activists, movie stars, obviously my sister, conspirator jane fonda and kathy baits and debra winger. but they have to be activists. lily tomlin. we've had great journalists amanpour, ananne the united nations high commissioner for human rights, we've had pulitzer prize winning journalists and we've had three african-american congresswomen.

clearly in my vision of congress they would all be women and african-american. maxine waters, and i'm trying to remember who else? eleanor holmes norton of course who i knew from days when we -- the two of us were the women's caucus in student nonviolent coordinating committee. so we've had all sorts of really shiny famous people. but as or more important are the guests that i have on who are not and who don't get media space. and these are some of them. and are. we don't even use her last name for security reasons. she single-handedly got linked in -- the site, linked in, that got their policy changed because she was being stalked by a man who had raped her. and when she went to them and said i want to bar him from knowing where i am, and i can't do that, you can do that on facebook, you can do that on other sites and they said no,

no, we don't do that because it's important for us to have -- that's why we're called linked in we want everybody to have access to everybody. so she went to change.org and made up a petition and went online. and she called women. and within four months, there were thousands and thousands of signatures and linked in changed their policy. or like julie burkhardt who in the face of death threats is reopening dr. tiller's -- slain dr. tiller's clinic. or like lovie ajaya and other incredibly wonderful young bloggers. they're on the show a lot. lovia java who is young, smart, funny, loves red shoes, and formed the red shoes project to ddress hiv-aids in african american young women. these are women who are using

new tools in old and new ways. it makes my teeth grind uncontrollably when i'm told that younger women are not interested in feminism. obviously i'm hallucinating all of you here today. and i clearly have a very good imagination because it's auditory. it's physical. i hugged a few people. and really seems like the room is full of terrific young women and a few smart men. but clearly i'm imagining that. because the people who say that don't know where to look. nd some of my generation, even yay feminists are a little luddite and don't know where to look, either. so we have to educate that. and bring them along. this was not a problem for me because i love words and anything that has to do with communicating and being communicated with i'm there and i want to learn it. so except for twitter where i

lagged a bit because frankly i thought somebody with my first name maybe shouldn't tweet. but i got over that. it's 's -- it's beyond -- right up there with gutenberg and the printing press. i'll curve back around to the other. among the people that we've had on the show who are not so well-known are the women who made facebook sit up and take notice. i don't know if you know, but facebook of course because it's an open platform, not really open, but it pretend to be an open platform, prides itself on so-called free speech. free speech which is always there for the pornographers and he pimps and not for the women apparently included rape rooms and rape dungeon pages.

and for years, feminists have been complaining to facebook that this was horrific and this was like propaganda for violence against women. and facebook said there's nothing we can do about it and also don't you have a sense of humor? some of us spent months on the phone with people at the top level trying to educate them, trying to explain what a rape culture climate was. and that this -- they didn't do this in terms of anti-semitism and wouldn't do this and shouldn't do this in terms of blatant racist propaganda. why were they doing this -- you couldn't get through. but a group of three young women organized and didn't go after facebook, they went after advertisers on facebook. now, i don't know if you know, but the algorithms are set up that when you go to a page on facebook, the ads that pop up are the ones -- i see people nodding. ok. some people do not know this. the ads that pop up are the

ones that will interest you, not the ones that are key to that page. the algorithms follow you. so what the young women did was to organize and go to the advertisers and say, do you sneakers and manufacturers and -- do you know that you're advertising is running on sites that show women being beaten up and being raped and treated as a joke and treated as fun and treated as -- how to rape a woman? so advertisers began pressuring. and guess what? facebook has now entered into negotiations. they are training their people now. they said, well, if the women complain, we'll take it down. and the women said no, no, no, we don't want to have to bother to complain. because you take it down. they just put it back up with another name. we want you monitoring it the way you monitor other offensive sites. to begin with. this is your responsibility. and it turns out you know who most of the monitors are for

facebook? young irish men. in ireland. so they are being educated now. and they have to be educated in a myriad ways because some of it is so skewed it's surreal. for example, they will run pornographic sites but if a woman is nursing a baby, that comes down. because the site of a bare breast -- if the baby is on the breast, that's acceptable. if the baby is half an inch away from the breast, no, that comes down. so we are working with them. we have enormous patience. we've been at this 10,000 years, you know. so we really have enormous patience. the other thing that they took down were women who had mastectomies and had very courageously had tattoos or -- you know, in some way were affirming their bodies. and these were taken down as pornographic. where sites of women being

tortured were left up. so it's -- it's a sensibility that is a culture. and the culture in general online as any woman who is an outspoken woman and who tweets or posts or even just reads knows is not a friendly one to women. it's a young male, largely white terrain. the 15 to late 20's. and sometimes it can be incredibly hostile and really quite vicious. those of us who have been getting threatening notes for years and years and years used to have the luxury of -- it would come in the mail. it would come to your publisher. they had to actually exert themselves and write it down. now it's so easy. there they are in their jamies with their fritos. male ou know,

supremacying away. and women have been mobilizing about that. one of the things that interests me and delights my soul is that the strongest feminist presence online is women of color. they're the leadership. they're the women who are taking no prisoners. they're the women who are doing the most creative blogging. and organizing online. and i'm not even dealing at the moment now internationally. because internationally, you have people like ruada mustafa in kurdistan and is using the internet to build the first feminist and the first and the largest feminist library in the middle east. you know, pretty amazing. i want to give the

names so get your pencils out of some very special sites and bloggers that many of you may know about and some of you may not. and i want to publicize them because they're fantastic. so black twitter, if you haven't heard of it, is a whole development on its own. and it's led by women. by kimberly ellis. whose online name is dr. goddess. i love it. she is a ph.d. and probably she is a goddess. so why is she not dr. goddess? and black twitter is an entire reality ception of that european americans, if they're very lucky, can listen in on and learn from. but it is witty and marvelous. and i assure you that if you visit it, you will not come

way unchanged. internationally, you must understand that this is not a luxury. this is the lifeline to the world. there are villages in the african continent, in asia, in the favelas of rio de janeiro where there's no electricity. there's no television. there's no newspapers and if there were, some of the women are nonliterate. excuse me. so somehow, amazingly, they have cell phones, particularly the young ones. and they're using them. they are banking with them. through microcredit and through saving and through building small income-generating businesses. the dynamic energy of the global south with this technology is something that we haven't even tapped into yet.

that's what was behind the arab uprising. faxes made possible tiananmen square. but facebook and twitter are now what is making possible world revolution. and it's led by women. so some of these sites, i could not recommend more. f you don't know about them, feminist.com is a go-to basic place which will send you on to different categories, different subject matter. because we say all -- all issues are women's issues. if you're talking about the majority of the species, how can they not be? when i hear the phrase, women's issues, it makes me crazy. feminist.com is a real base toucher. also feministing which i'm sure you've heard of. the f bomb, started when she as i think 15 by julie

zeilinger who is coming to the women's media center and bringing the f bomb with her. the f bomb is a teen site for young women and women new in college. so that they're their own voice. i mentioned dr. goddess and olivia jadae, the wise latina taking off from the sotomayor statement where she was being vetted supposedly by congress is a wonderful website. which is a go-to place for latina feminism. the kronk collective if you don't know about it is really primary. it is an african-american feminist site with everything from feminist theory to feminist strategy and blogging and tactics and an incredible ergy of leadership and ingenious invention that i couldn't recommend more. and there's some of the basic

ones going backward. but also going forward. there's the mz feminist blog. this is not your mother's oldsmobile. this is a ms. blog. there's jezebel. which you probably know about. and there's -- women under siege is a spinoff site from the women's media center. it's a project of the women's media center. and it is doing -- it's focusing on sexual assault, sexualized violence against women in conflict zones or post-conflict zones. so at present, it's focusing on syria and it does the first crowd sourcing direct reporting of data live and interactive. so it's an amazing site to check out. that brings us to the women's media center site itself. hich is women's -- womensmediacenter.com. when gloria and jane and i

founded this like 18 years ago and may be coming up on nine, we had no idea that it would grow this exponentially and with this much energy. and this -- this -- it is divine. it's very good. so we do media training. we -- we have a sort of war room so we monitor sexism in the media. we are the ones who wrung apologies from chris matthews, for sexist remarks. there's the name it change it project. which is about sexism that is levied particularly against women running for office. there is a training program, progressive women's voices. there's she source which makes it impossible for bookers of pundit shows to ever again say, well, we would, you know, but we can't find any qualified women. so she source is now the largest data base in the world of women on every subject from

aardvark to zimbabwe. and then there's wnclive.com which is the radio show and podcast. and you can download, stream, or go to itunes and subscribe. and then it comes automatically. and then there's holobak which is one of the primal places for street harassment. there are subject-specific sites that are very important as well. there's an app, there are three now that holobak was behind in the beginning and so -- and also the site stop sexual harassment. an app which you can get and simply download for free, which addresses that moment when you are walking alone somewhere, and you hear footsteps behind you. and they sound like a man's footsteps. and you don't know. it could be a perfectly nice man. but you don't know and you don't -- you know you don't

look around. maybe it's dark. maybe it's a parking lot and maybe a village path. maybe it's on your way back to a dorm. but every woman knows this experience. her palms begin to sweat. her adrenalin releases. she begins her -- her eyes begin scanning, is there a cop around anywhere? what is open? she's on alert. she does not feel the same way if it's a woman's footsteps behind her. and no man experiences this. so, this app which you can download, first of all the touch it sends a signal that you might be in police.to the nearest secondly, it tells you exactly and what en, where direction. it has its own g.p.s. of there are two or three these. this is the kind of organizing

that women who work online on subject brought about. particular re is my love, the international feminist map. very happy to be about. this is a group of women who got that thered realized is millions of us and we don't know where we all are. and every time demonstrations reinvent the of wheel in alerting other like-minded groups. rape occurred le in india last year when the woman died and the five men gang raped here and the women took to the streets and students the whole nd then country followed and eventually the world. rather than go back to that each time alerting people around join us on ll you this, the feminist map, which is network project