brian bergstein, deputy editor of the technology review will discuss the significance of past richter technologies. " washington journal" is next. you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. ♪ host: good morning. the house is in at 10:00 today. 2014 set to consider the national defense authorization act. there will be several confirmation votes this afternoon. president obama is set to meet secretary,n affairs ericsson seki. i. eric shinsek house speaker john banner played down any split in the party,

saying that there is not that big of a difference between the tea party. this morning, we are asking viewers if you agree with that assessment. dca split in the republican party and you think it will be a factor in the election this year. give us a call. it democrats, (202) 585-3880. republicans, (202) 585-3881. independents, (202) 585-3882.. line for thecial tea parties. it is (202) 585-3883. us on alltch up with of your social media pages. on twitter, facebook, or e-mail us. a good wednesday morning to you. we want to take you through some of the headlines from those primaries last night. the front page of "usa today. -- usa today."

the washington post story -- primary victories a boost gop establishment. the front page of "the washington times," gop insurgent gain no traction. down tea party as promised in the landslide. gop sees primaries taming tea party. in notes that john boehner asked tuesday whether he believes tea party influence was waning. conflict that the between the tea party and gop leaders have been overblown. the tea party has brought great energy to our process. there is not that big of a difference between what you call the tea party and your average conservative republican. we are against obamacare, we think taxes are too high, the government is too big. john boehner's comments from

yesterday. we are asking our viewers whether you agree with the comments. do you see a split between the tea party and the establishment gop? our phone lines are open. we have a special line open for members of the tea party. that is (202) 585-3883. we want to show you one other headline. this is from "the hill." the tea party takes another hit. that story starts off noting that candidates did not have denied on tuesday. one reporter was cameron joseph. he joins us now. good morning. a long night for you last night. guest: it was a fun one. wasn't it the tea party's night.

be nearrned out to not close. were of tea party groups rattling very early on, saying they are going to take out my,. -- teilhard mitch mcconnell. -- take out mitch mcconnell. it was a blowout at the end. some of these other groups were getting actively involved. it was not just him. it was mike simpson, he is a close ally of john boehner. he also rolled. a lot of republican challengers incumbents that fizzled. congressman shuster, chairman -- never got that much national.

we missed an opportunity there. he was told to about 54%. beatable ife been some of these groups had gotten involved. board in oregon, georgia, a lot of the establishment republicans, not necessarily moderates they are not centrists. they are not the types who are going to create huge problems for macconnell and boehner down the line. a lot of those people won the races. the so-called tea party did not do very well. >> focus on georgia for me. there were some members of congress in the primary who had been courting the tea party vote . how did they end up doing? guest: they did not do well. part of that is their

organization, part of it was because national republicans work hard to make sure that they did not do well on this race. behind the scenes and made sure the organizational support was not there for them. they thought they could be the -- of the cycle. the -- canada.f they say things even republicans say wait, what came out of their mouth? to get some worried and possibly cost them in seat. going to be a tougher race now. the former secretary of state had some tea party appeal. and shelin endorsed her was very competitive down the line. had almost no money. i think that was the reason she

did not make the runoff. the candidates that did make the runoff, david perdue, a former ceo of dollar general, reebok. kingston, he is conservative, but he is on the appropriations committee, he plays nice with leadership. the two of them advanced. they're going to have a rather impossibly ugly primary as they have started taking a lot of jabs at each other, even in the first round of voting. they have two months to attack each other. i do not think they are a candidate. it is going to be a tough general election. they're the best case scenario could envision. they're crossing their fingers prying this was going to happen. headlines,me of the

is some of this a case of sure memories? there were primaries in nebraska and west virginia where tea party members were celebrating victories. guest: in nebraska, it is true. tea party had some support. he also had establishment support. he is a former bush administration official. he is conservative, he has some tea party influence, but he is not just a tea party or -- tea partier. some of these national conservative groups got a win. in west virginia, they are showing more --. oman won the wil primary there. they said they will find someone to beat her, there is no way

we're going to let her win, she is not really one of us. candidate found the against her. she is very popular. she is the daughter of a former governor and she dominated the primary. of --is a lot of examples the tea party is still an active movement, but it has been absorbed by the rest of the republican party. some of these candidates that have passed appeal to more business republicans as well as the more conservative action of the party. movementthink it is a -- i think it is consumed by the gop. reaction has there been since yesterday when speaker banner made those comments in a press conference about there not being that big of a difference between the tea party and your average conservative republican? guest: one side that is happy about those comments is the democrats. they can say -- they have been paint every tea party

for years. they can now say, look, your leader says you guys are tea party, let's advertise on this, let's make money off of this, let's make money off of this. it may or may not work in the short or long-term. one group that is happy is democrats. his story joseph, this morning -- the tea party takes another hit on the hill. we are asking our viewers about speaker banner's comments yesterday. boehner'speaker comments yesterday. democrats, (202) 585-3880. republicans, (202) 585-3881. independents, (202) 585-3882. if you are a member of the tea party, (202) 585-3883.

the tea party does not want the country to go bankrupt. the republicans do not care as long as they get reelected. isther tweet says donation too large for two parties. we are asking our viewers about this this morning. we will go to the special line for those who remember -- those who identify as members of the tea party. we will go to jerry, on our line independents. theer: i have to think republican party is waning. it would be better for them if they would consolidate with the libertarians and the tea party, find common ground and come up with somebody that has a little charisma and defeat the democrat party. the democrat party are not doing us any good. we are no better off now than we

were six years ago, probably more. the economy is something obama has dropped the ball on. it would behoove us to get another party. thank you. host: carl, berkeley springs, west virginia. caller: good morning. i have attended several tea party meetings. the thing that struck me, they start out for the pledge of allegiance, which is a no-no in a democrat party because it contains or god. -- because it contains the word god. we started off with a prayer. i did not see anyone that appeared to be racist, like the mainstream media has portrayed us to be. we are getting beat over the head every day. even the senators wrote letters

to the irs telling them to silence the tea party. are we that dangers that they have to use the irs to quell our voices? this is getting ridiculous i think. aroundthe tea party is the next hundred years. democrat, is a calling from tennessee. good morning. caller: good morning. fellowheard a tea party right there. i saw signs, i have never been to a tea party meeting in my life. said see signs on tv that and neuter all liberals. i am a liberal. i saw signs of theirs. they talk about the irs, the head of the irs, they talk about

warner. the head of the irs, my understanding was a republican. did they have him in there to check on things? no. tennessee, we have a big you had on your program, talking about the v.a.. i have a son-in-law and he lives among tea party people. they ran him out of his home. he had to come here and live. that is the tea party. we're going to be talking about is he a again today with congresswoman colleen hanabusa. she will be on our show in the 8:00 hour. a tweet coming out this morning from cnn and other news outlets

that the president is going to meet with secretary shin seki. the meeting is not open to the press. several other media outlets are starting to report that. we will stay on top of that for you and we will be talking about that later in our program. we mentioned primary day last night. several of the candidates are making primary victory acceptance speeches last night. cameras were there for several of them, including mitch ofonnell, republican kentucky, senate minority leader, talking about what he believes the general election will be about this fall. here's a bit about what he had to say. [video clip] a vote for my opponent is a vote for a guy who thinks nothing of this state, if he thinks about it at all.

a vote for my opponent is a vote for obama care and the president who sold it to us on a mountain of lies. that is why this race is not about one party against another. government that thinks they can lie to its own citizens and get away with it. [applause] it is about holding the people who have done this accountable. this race is about vindicating people like angela strobel, a mother of five girls from owensboro. end when sher wits wrote me earlier this year. after being told up and down that she did not have to worry result coming out of obama care that she did not -- she founds told

out she was going to lose her doctor and her plan. her premiums have more than tripled. she was out of patience. obamacare agents told her she was out of luck. when she spoke up about it, harry reid told her she was a liar. another woman wrote me saying her deductible when up sevenfold. she said she is a democrat and she is furious. i feel deceived, she wrote. another woman wrote, saying that in order to pay her new premium under obamacare, she would have to reduce payments or stop contributing to her 401(k). all of these women have something in common. they got a raw deal. they have got nothing but a blank stare from the people who did these things to them and their families. that is how this crowd operates.

they think they can get away with it if they just push ahead. if they can just make it through the next news cycle. or through the next election. i have news for them. the american people have had enough. they are running out of time. host: macconnell with the wrapup , taking 60% of the vote. his challenger, 36% of the vote. some statements coming out from groups who supported them and in the primary. in thesupported bevin primary. we thank matt bevin for giving conservatives a choice in this election. there is also the tea party

patriots, with a bit of a different tone in their statement put out last night. beth martin with her statement saying of course we want allison grimes to lose in november. we won harry reid to lose his job. we must unite towards that goal. senator mcconnell must reach out to conservatives and espouse the values of liberty. he will prevail in november. we hope he chooses wisely. of the differences between tea party folks and the establishment, mitch mcconnell highlighted in that statement. react asking viewers to to speaker john boehner's statement that there is not that big of a difference between conservative republicans and the tea party. anthony is in san diego, california. i wanted to say that the election results last night show that the tea party in the

conservative mainstream establishment are exactly the same and that the tea party was an exact reaction to obama being elected president, which means that this is about race. this is about race, this is about race. this is about race. the republicans in 2014 and in 2016, the conditions in the country will only get worse. this is about race. this is about race. host: we got it. steve harrison writes in that the gop is distancing itself from the tea party. let's go to ron, pittsburgh, pennsylvania. good morning. caller: thank you. speaker john mainer's comments are right on.

establishment and the tea party are very similar. and havence, both are been blocking emergency unemployment benefits for the 2.4 million and increasing. hard-working americans who are looking for work. defiantlynuously and blocked these benefits for people that are in deep trouble. americans need to keep this in mind. reason, if no other, to get out there and vote. this is an example of compassionate conservative. blocking unemployment benefits to 2.4 million americans. one of the other victory speeches c-span was therefore was for allison grimes.

she told mitch mcconnell that he was not running against barack obama, he was running against her. [video clip] mcconnell, this race is between you and me. that is the name that appears on the ballot. [cheers] ago,u said, so many years it is my number one priority to make sure mitch mcconnell does not see another term. [applause] mitch mcconnell, he wants to tell you who i am and he has said, he claims kentucky will be lost if we trade in his seat for a kentucky woman, who he believes will sit on the back bench.

tonight, to tell you ians, iow kentucky am not a cheerleader, i am a strong, kentucky woman, who is an independent thinker. will besions i make what is best for the people of the commonwealth of kentucky. another headline from a georgia paper about that georgia senate race runoff in gop senate bid. to remind you, on the lay of the land in the senate races this year, democrats have a 55 to 45 majority. republicans would need a plus six gain to flip control of the chamber this fall. we are asking viewers to react to speaker john mainer's comments yesterday that there's is not a difference between the tea party and conservative republicans.

we are asking tea party members to call in on (202) 585-3883. we will go to our republican line. andrew, brookville, pennsylvania. i think it is a matter of branding. if you remember when the democrats had the big party tent, where everybody was in it, the republicans need to start moreng about having a much broader tent for everybody to be under and unite under, if you're going to start talking about putting the broad party of the wide base of all of the tea party all the way over to the conservative, they're going to have to start uniting under some kind of broad tent for them to be conservative under. the democrats are very good at trying to pull everything under a tent for them to be together, united under. republicans seem to have a real problem with trying to get something put together and focus

on a further viewing point for them to go under and have something to drive the message. i think that is where the real problem is. take onwant to get your the governor's race in pennsylvania. are's the front page of paper. democrats picked wolf to challenge corbett. thatthoughts on how election is going to shape up? isler: i think corbett something -- i think he is vulnerable. i think he has a lot of problems -- we have aity to lot of natural gas and energy. i do not think he has made a lot of the right decisions in being a republican. the ability to tax the gas companies and so forth, the

revenue sources that could be brought in from that, i think he -- the economy is slow. i think it is a possibility that he is vulnerable to the challenge. but from the democrats and from other gop challengers. i think there's a possibility that there could be a chance for him to lose the seat. host: george, buffalo, new york. caller: good morning. here, thea republicans and the tea party, they act almost on fascist terms. taken time to tons of our tax dollars. they're behaving like fascists a little bit. host: you identify as a member of the republican party? caller: right.

host: who do you think are the best representatives of the republican party right now? many, to betoo truthful with you. their policies are geared towards corporate welfare. it is kind of sad. anyone you would support not necessarily in public office right now? caller: not from this area, no. beverly is waiting in columbia, missouri. we're talking about john boehner's comments yesterday that there is not a difference between the tea party and conservative republicans. your thoughts. ought to tell you something. the tea party has brought this country down. everything they're doing is bringing the country down. up and go outwake and vote.

vote democrat in november or this country is not going to have nothing. they are thinking about the republican party. it is for the 1%. everything is going to the top. there are people out here who are hurting, people without unemployment, cutting food stamps to children, these children were not asked to be born in this world. far as the vets, the da system has been terrible for a long time. in twow. bush put us wars. why didn't he put money in there? he knew these people were going to come home. host: that is beverly. john writes in that the tea party is done. there 15 minutes is over.

a little bit more from the wall street journal story this morning on the history of the tea party. year's deep primary marks an important chapter in the evolving saga in american politics. ,rom its origins in 2009 activism helped the gop win control of the house in 2010. it's take no prisoner tactics inspired a legislative confrontation. from those triumphs, the temp morphed the tea party with a more mixed outcome. some of its primary election victories in 2010 and 2012 turned into party losses.

to wayne, who identifies as a member of the tea party. good morning. thank you for calling. caller: good morning. i am a tea party member. we need more republicans in the senate or in the house, to quell destroyagenda to america. i hope the tea party wins big. i hope we get the senate. hopefully the presidency in 2016. done nothing but lie. a lot of people are talking about how the republicans this and republicans that, but they are looking at what is going on in washington right now. we have nothing but a totalitarian government running this country. we are being led by a phone and a pen. i do not see what the people see in obama.

his agendas are failing. in 2016? host bang who would you support rand paul or marco rubio. those seem like the best of scope candidates. rand paul has the stamina to be a good president. rubio has, too. they don't believe the lies that obama is putting out about climate change. lies, all of the. toneed republican party strain of the country. the democrats are nothing but bring it down. c, reid anda low obama has done in the last five years. we are suffering out here. understand. even the democrats, they looked at me with a blank face. i am pushing to appeal obama here entry point. i have bumper stickers on

everybody's car. this man is running us ragged. if the american people don't see it, i feel sorry for them. difference was weaned the establishment republicans and the tea party, the tea party was willing to default on debt and cost the u.s. it's credit rating. the gop was not. carl, kansas city, missouri. good morning. i have to collect my thoughts. it is nice to talk to you. first of all, i would like to is a moderate republican and the only reason he is seemingly near liberal is because republicans have pushed so far to the right that obama seems, to them, to be weird. if you look at everything and done, he is a moderate

republican. i still support him, but i am moderate. has brought the democratic party into the center of politics and that is good. another thing i want to say to all the people that are out there, when you have to choose between the people that are campaigning, look at the ones that are running exclusively negative, talking in riddles and talking in clichés. if they are talking nothing but bad, everything is throw the bums out, ask them what they want to do. get them pinned down on what they are going to do. this country is in trouble and it needs programs. if they don't work, try something else. we need a party that will get in there and try to cure america's woes. thank you. host: knows carling kansas city , missouri. -- that is carl in kansas city,

missouri. president obama set to meet with eric shinseki. house fought on tuesday to contain the growing political furor over allegations of misconduct at the veterans hospitals. republicans are either to use the issue in the midterm elections. they seized on the reports that president obama is unable to govern effectively. the chief of staff will fly the department of veterans affairs medical center in phoenix today to assess the most damning results that government workers falsified data or created seeker waiting list. the president is sending his chief of staff to capitol hill to consult with the chairman of the veteran affairs committee.

the president is meeting in the closed-door meeting with secretary shinseki today. the justice department will publicly release a secret 2011 memo that provided the legal justification of the killing of an american terrorism suspect overseas, following extensive pressure campaign on the administration to do so. the decision came on the eve of a senate vote. offers -- aemo's group had said they would fight the nomination unless the memo was made public. we have about 10 minutes left to banner'st speaker john

comments. david is on our line for democrats. good morning. caller: good morning. i am 50 years old. andears of republican rule republican appointees and what did we get? thinly veiled fascism. stop voting republican. especially the racist tea party. they are racists, selfish, white country people. host: what has been your interaction? caller: the evidence is around us all over. the supreme court just endorsed christianity. we are screwed as a nation if we continue to vote republican. we have to start caring about everybody, not just the people with the money. the gentleman that said something about we need to listen to -- we need to look at

who is paying for these candidates. -- the money that is involved is so outrageous that we can never -- we will never get a real story, we will never get a truthful candidate in the sense that the business will always come first. the business of politics will always come first. host: a, from our facebook page. our crony capitalists -- a comment from our facebook page. our crony capitalists. the tea party, in my opinion, represents at least 50% of the country. the democrats are fooling themselves if they think otherwise. the tea party cares about

america and the future of america. most of the democrats care about themselves. that is the difference. all turned into a big joke. it is nothing but lies, lies, and who can say the nastiest thing about the other party. you wantt issues do the candidates talking about? the future of america is the most important issue. everybody seems to be focused on the here and now, but we need to work on the future of america and anyone who is paying attention knows that if we keep going as we are now, this debt is going to sink us. in pure, simple language. that is the fact.

between -- fighting it has turned into nothing but lies. the tea party is a group of common, everyday, hard-working people, who care about the future of america. host: do you identify as a member of the tea party? caller: i am a republican, but i know tea party members. they work in foot the bill for -- of helping other people. it is nothing but a lie by the democrats. it is a bunch of bull. one conservative voice out

there who has an opinion piece is dr. ben carson. charting a course between principle and pragmatism. if conservatives are going to win in 2014 and 2016 and preserve the environment of freedom to which we have grown accustomed, it will be necessary to learn how to prioritize issues. he writes this rationale war anger who feel their issue should never be anywhere except the front and center. i sympathize with those sentiments, but as a pragmatist, i realize that conservatives continue to be fragmented over issues on which there will never be unanimous agreement, they will never get the chance to address these issues down the road. principles are important, but so are wisdom and savvy.

marjorie, waiting insane silence -- waiting in saint simon's island, georgia. whyer: i do not understand republicans are gullible to believe that the establishment .ill ever do anything the tea party is only five years old. for ideas to penetrate a culture. the tea party is the only people who want free markets, smaller government, independent -- individual rights. that is going to save the country. -- referred tose the ideas of the founders, we will overcome.

we will stop the encroachment of government, give people back there right, stop all of this snooping, stop all of the thousand and thousands of regulations that hamper business . government does not create jobs. the only way it will help us to get out of the way. that is what the tea party believes. i ask you your thoughts on john banner? on john boehner? caves every time. principles matter. morals matter. when it comes to the point where thean condone things like drones killing americans on american soil, how can we this?ly broken out of

we have to go back to individual rights. the individual is the time elements of the society. there is no such thing as group rights. a couple of other headlines in the papers. gay marriage deemed illegal in pennsylvania. pennsylvania joined 18 states in allowing same-sex marriage on tuesday after a federal judge ruled its ban was unconstitutional. you can see a map showing the dark states, same-sex marriage is allowed. other headlines to point out, this from the washington post

and several other papers. gm recall puts a total of 13.6 million vehicles. faults ins various 2.4 million vehicles. the latest recall from general motors. cars to recallm is the lead story in usa today's money section. phil, summerville, south carolina. good morning. caller: good morning. broad sense, i agree that there is not a huge difference between the tea party and the republicans, however the difference is stark. you have people that recognize that we have problems, and they are willing to make the hard them.s necessary to solve

that is the problem the republicans have. --y want to man be pamby mamby pamby around. the people that criticize the tea party really need to wake up and stop the name-calling. to whatd to listen people who belong to the tea party have to say about some of these issues. they are real americans who are worried about sending our children into oblivion. of next, we will talk about immigration and how republicans are reproaching reform efforts with louis gohmert. joins uslleen hanabusa to talk about the controversy surrounding the veterans affairs administration. ♪

>> what i am trying to say is that fraud kills. it is nonpartisan. we have to do something about it. we do not have unlimited budgets. money gets wasted on a building that is never going to be used as money that could have helped something else. you see this again and again. i am proud to have worked for this administration. i think it is important people realize i was appointed by the president. generals are independent. is important that the people

see that the government does care. there are a lot of people who care about wasting money. >> john sopko. sunday night at 8:00 on c-span q&a. starting at this landing, all of this stairwell and bannister that you see, they were the original banisters and steps from when clara barton was here. i am walking on the same stairs that clara barton did for that eight year period of time when she lived in the building. found the envelopes for a stationery set, a military portfolio, as it is called.

clara used these as a fundraising product while the civil war was going on. you can see how nice and fancy the engraving work is done. it lists what was in the kit. she tied this together to hang up for when she was trying to sell these. where sheld come by was and take a look at what she had. thehe life and work of american red cross founder, clara barton. starting saturday, we will visit the clara barton missing soldiers office museum. at 11:00, your calls and tweets for george wunderlich. it is part of our three day memorial day weekend.

>> "washington journal" continues. >> we are joined by louis gohmert. i want to start with the question we have been asking our viewers. said there isr not that big of a difference tea party and conservative republicans. would you agree with that? guest: i would not completely agree with there being no difference between what the tea party believes in and what mainstream republicans say. -- tea partye is people actually want republicans to do what they promised when they were running to get elected. the mainstream republicans have said the same thing, just like the speaker said. we have been against obamacare, but i could go back and document teps thathe miss

breathed in new life and open the door for obamacare. consistentave been and we know that obamacare is a .ad thing for of america we want immigration. we need immigration. have got to secure the borders to make sure that people are coming in legally. all of the things that the tea party people believe are things that republicans in the main establishment have said we need to do. tea party folks actually have the gall to think we ought to do what we said we would do and i agree with them. host: you encourage members to rise up and to fight back against the establishment wing of the republican party. how has that effort gone in the first 13 primaries so far this year? primaries, wet of

have seen establishment moredates having to move towards the right, more towards the things that tea party people believe in. they are able to pick up some of those votes. candidatesea party have not been far from what the establishment candidates were saying. look at mitch mcconnell. an establishment republican. he has raised issues about the tea party. certainly about the senate of conservative fund. look at what he ran on. he ran on tea party issues. we should not be spending more than we bring in. obamacare bad for americans, especially for seniors. immigration, we need to secure the borders. he ran on all the things the tea

party people believe. host: you bring up immigration. that is one area of tension. boehner described what was happening behind closed doors, sing some members think this issue is too hard to deal with. is that how you describe what was happening? guest: they caught the speaker late in the evening and he was doing an impression of himself when he gets a little weepy, i think. the ball is in the president's court. an article that carolyn may wrote. as he said, we talked about this every week for the last 18 months and i think it is clear of the last several months that

until the president gives us some confidence that we can trust him to implement and integration -- implement an immigration reform bill, we can't trust him. he has people on his staff on the immigration issue, for , a report published a few years after the passage of the 1986 immigration reform and control act and the author of -- she is currently the obama administration's chief immigration advisor. she made very clear in 1990 that it was time to scrap all of the parts of the immigration reform act of 1986, except amnesty. forget the enforcement, let's just go with amnesty. everything that the president has done in the way of giving

waivers to cronies, to friends, waived offrs, he has actual laws that he did not believe in, but were actually law. he has given no reason to trust that he will secure the border and that is why i filed a resolution, july of last year, that goes through and points these things out and says until as border is secure, not confirmed by the department of homeland security, they will confirm anything. we cannot trust that. as confirmedecured by the border states, then we should not even be talking about the issue of immigration. this is such a big deal. there is a new york times article that talked about the thousands of children as young , i was talkingld

to a woman. her group had been asked to come to the border. they were on know -- overwhelmed with all of these unaccompanied children. there is talk about amnesty for children. parents are putting their kids with human traffickers and south ofhem from mexico, south america, guatemala, if we can get our kids to the united states, because of all of this type of amnesty for children, they will give amnesty and we can come in to take care of them. it is outrageous that we are luring children into human trafficking conditions because we are talking about amnesty for securingout actually the border. it is an outrage. do you think john boehner

will take the route that you want him to take on immigration? guest: as long as the people across america make it clear that they expect the border to be secured before anything else is done and that the 68% issue over 60% fora, hispanic adults, secure the border before you do anything else. i think we can expect the follow what the american people expect of republicans, otherwise we are not going to stay in the majority. host: louis gohmert we are speaking with -- we are speaking with louis gohmert. he is here to take your questions. democrats, (202) 585-3880. republicans, (202) 585-3881.

independents, (202) 585-3882. if you are outside the u.s., it is (202) 585-3883. waiting for folks to call in, you had strong words for eric holder on that issue of children coming across the border, saying it violated his oath when it comes to the administration's position. how is your relationship with eric holder these days? b.f.f.'s.are we are best friends forever. he called me his buddy. he called me that in terms of "you don't want to go there, buddy. -- buddy." [video clip] >> we promise to provide you and

your staff with -- >> i read what your department promised. it is inadequate. totempt is not a big deal our attorney general, but it is important we have proper oversight. >> you don't want to go there, ok? >> i don't want to go there about the contempt? >> you should not assume that that is not a big deal to me. it was inappropriate and unjust. never think that that was not a big deal to me. evidence andng for normally we are known by our fruits. there is no indication it was a big deal because your department has not been forthcoming in producing documents that were the subject of the contempt. there have been other questions asked about the -- >> the documents that we were prepared to make available then, we are prepared to make available now. the gun lobbybout

and a desire to have -- >> we have been trying to get to the bottom of fast and furious where people died, at least a couple hundred mexicans died and we cannot get the information to get to the bottom of that. i do not need lectures from you about contempt. >> i don't need lectures from you either. deal withifficult to asking questions. as a former judge, i have never asked questions of someone held in contempt. have you had any contact with the attorney general since that exchange? no, i have not. i knew there was some reason that contempt did not seem to be a big deal to him. sure enough, abc news did an interview with him a year before that exchange in which he told , it is on video, it is

in print. he told them since i do not have respect for the people that voted for contempt, it does not mean anything to me. so, it was not a big deal to him, literally, before it was a a deal to hit -- big deal to him. i do not know he was lying earlier or to me, but one of those times he was not honest. will congressman gohmert take your questions. we start with dave on our line for independents. good morning, dave. caller: good morning. , i want to know why we have to give money to get a politicians attention. have we taken campaigning far enough, and shouldn't be that the votes matter, not who has

the biggest wallet? guest: you are exactly right. it is the votes that matter, and peoples opinion that matter, but why are you saying it is the money that matters? caller: you are around campaigning, schmoozing, you do not seem to talk to the voters that much, you are just running around raising money. guest: you do have to raise money when you run for office, cashedd, my wife and i out everything we had to run for congress, so you do have to cash out everything to run, but if you are in east texas, whether county, iy smallest am all over my district, talking to people all over east texas

and that is important to me. when we are in recess up here -- of course, the country is safer when we are in recess -- i am all over east texas, talking to aroundxans, and i get all over the country, and what i -- what i like is people are not afraid to walk up to you at 2:00 a.m. in walmart while you're getting honey to start asking you questions. host: we are talking with congressman louie gohmert, republican of texas, member of judiciary committee, former chief justice of the 12 court of appeals in texas before coming to progress. from twitter, we are talking about immigration earlier -- what specific steps will you take to enforce consequences for employers who illegally employing noncitizens, especially large corporations?

see, that is a great point. it is already in the law. it is a matter of enforcing the law that is there. it was part of the 1986 immigration reform act that the own staff member was saying after it passed that we should not be enforcing the law as it is, we should knock out the employer requirement so that employers can hire people that are illegally here. was that on twitter? because a great tweet it goes to the heart of it. if employers go to have the law -- if the employers have the law enforced, they will not be hiring people that are undocumented, so you would see the rate dropped dramatically. the verification system that has been in place that some

employers have taken advantage to be adequate as long as it is the around the country and everybody is following it. there are some of us that believe that is key to enforcing the law, but you have to have people on the border like woodrow wilson did. you do not have to have the thousands and thousands of troops that he put on the border after poncho via came in and lla camef a bunch -- vi in and killed a bunch of american families, but you secure the border. miles are all that is under full control. we have to get it under control, but the employer verification is key toward making it work. a good example -- we hear bill gates and different people saying look, we just do not have enough people that are trained

em, the science, technology, engineering, math, but when you look at the numbers, a new report out says there are about 105,000 science, technology, engineering, math and a year that come open we are bringing in 129,000 m degrees,ear with ste and it is apparently factual that the people with stem degrees do not have enough jobs around, so do we need to bring in more people that some of the wealthiest americans are saying we do, when actually we need to be hiring americans and make sure we are hiring people that are legally here, and consequences should be there for those that do not follow the law. line fora on our

democrats from wisconsin. caller: thank you for taking my call but i did read immigration bill. it will cost $1 trillion for this bill, and they are talking about "different agencies to handle -- a couple of different agencies to handle the people applying for citizenship. to me, that does not seem right. the people came here illegally. why should us as taxpayers pay for this bill if these people have broken the law? could you answer that question first? sa, i cannot agree with you more. americans should not be paying for people to be here illegally. i had one of the hispanic capital lease tell me recently that he and his wife, she is hispanic, went to the hospital recently, and they said well,

you have to pay the full amount of your deductible before your procedure, and she said i was not prepared to do that, and they said if you tell us you are undocumented we will give you the health care for free. the hispanic capitol policeman and his wife said they were furious. so, you mean we have to pay for ourselves because we are legally here, and anyone that is undocumented here -- you are exactly right, that should not be. that is not my bill. i do not support my bill, and you have the right to the heart of the matter. we do not have enough money to be thrown around for everybody that can get here. i have seen estimates before. people have said there might be one billion, one billion and a half people in the world that want to come here. we are a nation of over 3 million people. if everyone came to america that wanted to come, there will be no america to come to because we

would be overwhelmed. we have to be serious about who we let in and make sure that they are legally here, and then we make -- take care of our people, and then we can continue to be a light to the world, only cannot allow ourselves to be overwhelmed, as you pointed out can be happening under the new bill that went through the senate. host:p a comment from -- a comment from bill in new jersey -- whether you like it or will getillion people a pathway to citizenship and people like you and stephen king will be left by the wayside. guest: it is interesting that he uses the figure 12 million people. we have been told 11 million. in recent years we have been told it is as many as 20 million, and they make it more palatable by saying it is 11 million.

12you give more amnesty to million people, just like they found in 1986 -- if you give amnesty to people and you do not secure the border before you do that, as they found in 1986, within a matter of a few years, you will have more than that come into the country. it becomes a magnet, and then you're not talking about -- some people were told in 1986 it is only about one million people. it turned out to be closer to 4 million people, and then within a matter of years it was that many more people, and within about 10 years after that, supposedly it is basically doubled. so, i appreciate the call the person tweeting -- the e-mail saying i need to get used to it, but you need to get used to the fact that if you do that, the unemployment rate will skyrocket even higher. it will draw in at least as many

people as we give amnesty to, even more. the border patrolman have told us every time we even talk about legal status and amnesty they see many times more people coming to the border and trying to get in. just the talk of it is luring people to their death and to sex trafficking just trying to get here. done, securing the border, even the person that wrote it will be surprised what i would agree to. -- secureher e-mail the border is a vague term. the only way to secure the border is to shut it down, and the business players of america would not let that happen. guest: he makes a good point. the chamber of commerce is arething -- someone -- people that i agree with. and they say get amnesty, the

more people out of work, that is outrageous. host: securing the border -- securing the border does not mean sealing the border. the people that know my heart as a christian, i love what i see in the hispanic culture. generally speaking, i realize this is a generalization, they have a love of god, a hard-working ethic, and unless we corrupt them from that grade three-pronged approach to life -- that makes america stronger. i want more hispanics. you do not seal the border ever. that is like creating a stagnant pond. you need fresh water coming in, but it has to be secured so that we control who comes in. those that say who it -- it -- those who say

that it cannot be done, have ever been to israel. --y needed to control her their borders. to be a while.e they have a fence for about 75% of it, they enforce it, and it works if you are serious about it. host: greg is waiting on the phone. you are on with congressman louie gohmert. caller: i appreciate what you are doing. you are doing great with the american people. you are debt with a president, or an administration, that continues to lie to the american people, and they cannot get around that. they continue to live. so, what are we supposed to do, think that he is special or that he is doing something good for the american people? the economy -- the unemployment rate is probably 12%, not 6.3%,

he you know? -- 6.3%, you know? the people that have not found a job have stopped looking. here we sit and listen to mr. obama tell us what we want to hear at that time, and the democrats -- , i can hear the frustration and i share that frustration, but a good example of what greg is talking about, there is an article from "the "the obama19 -- administration said monday the government needs to find ways to get more skilled foreign workers into the country." , wean, for heaven sakes have skilled workers than the jobs. i have had job fairs in east texas, a number of them, and it breaks your heart, john, when you are out there with people

degrees, butonly masters degrees, airline pilots, engineers, all of these different people, they have been thrown out of their jobs, and if you are 50 years of age or older and you have lost your job and you have great skills or technological abilities it is tough to find a job. here you have the department of labor out there saying we need to bring more skilled people in to take the jobs that americans are having trouble finding. host: this is part of an effort the obama administration in 100ed to bring thousand skilled immigrant workers to make them eligible for work visas. problem, as i the mentioned earlier, when it is estimated that you have about 105,000 stem jobs a year available and you bring in degree foreign stem people, it does not bode well

for americans desperately trying to find jobs, and as greg talked about, many have just given up working. as unemployedr those that are truly unemployed and gave up even looking for jobs, then our employment rate skyrockets, doubles what it is now. host: on securing the border, vivian on twitter asks -- would congressman gohmert agreed to raise taxes in texas in order to build a border fence? guest: actually, texas, we would not have to raise taxes to get our part of the border security and texas, but the problem we keep running into in this the federal government running in, as they have in arizona, saying you have no right to control the borders in your state. we, the federal government have the right to control the border, not you, texas. so, it is a national problem. it is not just a texas problem,

but texas, it stands ready. rick perry, my friend from college days will tell you, they are ready to do it if the federal government will get out of the way and let them do it. host: brian is in massachusetts on online for independents. caller: i have a good way to solve the border problem. we need to fine any business that hires an illegal immigrant $20,000, putting $5,000 bounty on them, and take the money patrol, and have more people arresting these people and throwing them out of this country. have social security work together with the them lawyers to prove that they are not -- with the employers to prove that they are not legal. host: commerce and gohmert, -- congressman gohmert, the

businesses? then, yeah, every now and both under the bush administration, which did not do enough to secure the border, in my opinion, and the obama administration, which is not doing enough, when they go around to getting as an employer, they do get fined and they get hit pretty hard. one of the callers mentioned my good friend stephen king, and he has had a solution along the same lines that i think would be extremely effective, and that is if you are a business that is found to have hired people that are illegally here, then you lose all of the deductions as business expenses for those people that you paid. every dime that you paid them does not get to be a business expense. you have to put that back on your books. it means there will be back

taxes to pay, that businesses could not possibly afford to be hiring people that are illegally here if they know they are going to have to end up adding that money back to their books when they have deducted as business expense. it would really get their attention in a hurry. the line for is on democrats from chicago, illinois. caller: good morning, how are you doing? guest: all right. caller: i noticed republicans are good at throwing the rock and hiding their hands behind the back. my question to you, mr. gomer -- every time i see you on tv, i crack up. 10 weeks ago they had a bill in the senate -- i know it is not your division, but they said they did not have the money to help the veterans, the guys you call on night and day to fight your wars. you could not cut up with -- come up with $60 million to help veterans, but you go on tv and

act like you are so in love with the veterans. my next question, why are you all going around here having hearings after hearings on benghazi and fast and furious -- ust about when bush lied into a war? 60 embassies were bombed. i mean, it ate embassies were bombed, i'm sorry. you had 60 people died. no hearings on that. under reagan, 250-some people died. where are the hearings on that? host: let the congressman respond. guest: as hard as under reagan, we will take the last first, the democrats in congress made clear they would not stand for anything further after our marine barracks were bombed in beirut, and others that were part of the reagan administration, so it was a big mistake, but we withdrew our people out of beirut. the message went back to the

radical islamists that we are a paper tiger, we do not fight if you hit us, and that, along with our reaction in 1979 when our embassy was attacked and we did nothing, that has helped recruit radical islamists. so, the democrats in the house and the senate that fully control the house and the senate in 1983, they could have had hearings, but it was very clear what had happened. in beirut. the problem in benghazi, and the reason we need to get to the bottom of it is we have been told a lie from the beginning, and as far as the lie that ocean said to get us -- that bush said to get us into a war -- i know that has been the rhetoric, and bush lied, people died, but everybody, democrats and republicans, including hillary clinton -- everyone there was a democrat in congress, that i'm

aware of, had indicated that, you know, we knew -- it was not a lie. iraq had weapons of mass instruction. we knew they had poison gas because they had poisoned hundreds of thousands of kurds. we knew they had those. it was not a lie that got us into the war and one of the great things that happened as a result was gaddafi, who had been a supporter of terrorism, gave up his nuclear proliferation, opened up his country, said come in, and he stopped being a radical until this administration helped get him killed and thrown out of office. now we have radical islamists training can't in eastern -- training camps in eastern libya and all over. as far as the veterans, i could not agree more. we need to be spending more to take care of our veterans. host: is there not enough funding right now, or is it a management issue?

well, i think we have both, but clearly, you cannot see the problem in the the a when it is being -- in the v.a. when it is being hidden by administrators, and i am hearing from people that they had to hide how long it was taking or they would not get their bonuses. is heavens sake, if there bonus money out there, it ought to be going to treat veterans, not to keep them on some hidden, secret list. so, if the administration needs more money -- i know the hearts of most of the people on both sides, we will take care of spending the money to take care of our veterans, but we have to have a realistic analysis of just what it is and we need to spend, and it does not need to be on bonuses for the a officials -- v.a. officials that are hiding the fact. winston -- in

winston-salem, north carolina. caller: good morning, representative gohmert. it is a pleasure to see you on tv this morning. i always in your you talking. -- always enjoyed your talking. guest: thank you. host: geoeye with your comment, david. we will be have said overwhelmed with immigration. we have already been overwhelmed. we have been invaded by a foreign country. hour in 1987. i have a friend that is doing something much more technical than i had done, and he is getting paid $12 an hour today, paying his own insurance. he gets his workmen scop, but he is paying his own taxes. you go to construction sites today, and it is very hard to and a legal american in

construction site at any of these corporate home-building places, track houses. i do not understand why we cannot get a bunch of buses, bounty hunters, and round people up. i keep hearing that we cannot deport 20 many people -- 20 million people, that we have a limit. we do not limit the number of people that we jail for assault or drug prosecutions, or the number of people that we jail for dwi. why do we have a limit on the number of people that we can deport? host: congressman gohmert? guest: is making a great point. i am not -- i do not think you need to take buses and round people up, like he is talking what an earlier caller said and imports with employers that you have to be

documented legally here in order to get a job. that go after employers are employing people illegally, and we enforce the law that you are not supposed to get welfare benefits, social security benefits, all of the different benefits -- you should not be getting a child tax credit. we have many people that are getting more money back from income taxes than they pay in because of the child tax credit. so, if we just enforce the law, now welfare and benefits of different kinds have lured people into the country, out ofll be lured back the country because the jobs are not here, but we have to enforce the law with employers, enforce

the law that we do not keep giving him financial benefits to people that are not here. when i was in england not that long ago, they were saying, for example, even people that legally come into their country, they are not allowed to obtain any kind of benefit from the government until they have been there for a minimum of five years and they have been paying into the system. there is nothing wrong with doing that to save our country from financial ruin. host: patricia waiting on our line for democrats, calling in from louisiana. guest: hi, patricia. caller: good morning, how are you doing, congressman gohmert? i am doing well. i was wondering if you would assisting u.s.ll citizens phenomena to the way refugees are assisted pertaining to relocation and all its

expenditures in conjunction with resettlement and assisting the person to find employment? guest: well, that is a wonderful point, and you are obviously plugged in because you know that that is happening. we are spending, no telling how much money, and in fact, as one house district judge in texas -- judge in texas said the department of homeland security is now involved in human trafficking, and we have seen, even this week, as thousands of children have come in, the message has gone out loudly, just as she is talking about -- if you get into this country, we will spend money to find your parents if they are illegally in the country. we will find them, get you together -- i mean, these are children, refugees that have into thened -- lured

country, and we are helping with human trafficking, and if you cannot find your parents, we will get you with other parents, and she makes a fantastic point. the thing is we do not need a bill to do that. it is a law. if we just secure the border under the law, the money she is talking about that is being spent to illegally human traffic kids that come into the country illegally, unaccompanied, that can be spent on relocating american refugees who have lost their homes, whether it is from flooding, like we had after hurricane katrina, whether it is after wild flies -- wildfires -- things like that. we can be helping americans with that kind of money if we just enforce the law. we do not even need a bill to do that, but she has a great point, that is the money ought to be spent. host: we started the discussion talking about speaker boehner's

comments yesterday and immigration is one issue where he has received criticism from conservatives. if there were a vote for speaker today would you vote to continue john boehner being your speaker? john, in november 2012, i newt gingrich for speaker. in january, 2013, i voted for allen west for speaker. i think it is kind of like a college football team. if it is not reducing what they said they would do, it is time for a new coach. john boehner, personally, is a really great guy to be around, but i do think it is time for new leadership in the republican party. i have felt that for some time. host: and who would you vote for today, would it be allen west or newt gingrich again? guest: that remains to be seen. we are trying to find the right

person to put up for speaker. host: who is we? us nowthere are more of that are strongly believe that we need a new speaker than we had in january of 2013. so, there is a group of us. gohmert,merston louie republican from texas, member from the judiciary committee, thank you for coming on "washington journal pickup --"washington journal." with: john, i love being someone that does homework. if people in the administration did as much work as you do, we'll be a better country. thank you. host: next we will talk about veterans spending with colleen hanabusa, and then the 10 20akthrough technologies of 13 as identified -- 2014 is identified by the "mit technology review." first, a news update. proceduralte plans a

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of the private industry. a are brought to you as public service by your local cable or satellite provider. like us on hd, facebook, and follow us on twitter. "washington journal" continues. host: we are joined at our desk by hawaii congresswoman colleen hanabusa, member of the house armed services committee, stay with a large number of veterans. some reports are out this morning of the president is said to meet in about an hour and a half with v.a. secretary eric shinseki in a closed-door meeting at the white house. i want to sell with your thoughts on the controversy surrounding the v.a., and specifically, do you think eric shinseki needs to go? was asked that, he responded by saying he serves, of course, the president, and he feels that he has a job to be done, and he is, of course -- i think he is very angry with what occurred. that is a decision that they are

going to have to make, and we do not have enough information at this time to say whether he should go, he should not go. that is between him and the president at this point in time. as you all know, general shinseki is from hawaii. has, in my expenses done with them, hey -- dealing with him, he has been receptive to concerns and he has addressed them. i like to see how this investigation continues. that is not in any way to say what happened in phoenix is in any way acceptable. that is -- i just cannot even comprehend out something like that could have happened. i immediately, when i heard about it, asked for an assessment of what is going on in hawaii and sent the letter to the general and said what is the report on how i question mark we reached out to our veteran -- report on hawaii?

we reached out to our veterans groups to see if they were experiencing anything similar. the veterans, because i have been in the field speaking to a lot of them, they do have complaints and concerns about the kind of services they have been provided, but we have not heard anything that nears what happened in phoenix. host: you sent that letter to the v.a. april 25, i believe. have you gotten a response yet? guest: we have not gotten a response yet, and in addition we asked the various veteran organizations in hawaii as to what their responses are. host: hawaii is a state with a large number of veterans, 11% of veteransation, 116,947 as of september, 2013. more of hawaii's veterans have served since 2001 than any other state, coming out to more than one in four. you say you have not found out from veterans groups in hawaii about similar situations, but

what you tell them about how you would like to see this problem addressed? know, the main idea was to get with their complaints are, so we have been working with them. and, you know, the issues are -- hawaii is unique in the sense that we are an island. there are issues of access. in order to get anywhere for major services, many of them have to fly to, for example, an island of oahu for certain kinds of services, and even remote islands in the sense that they do not have the access to medical services. i have to go to the island of maui or go to the island of a while. we have those kinds of challenges, and there are always issues about whether or not people are hearing their complaints, and whether, for example, ptsd -- one of the interesting facts that i learned is that ptsd is something that has not reached veterans of the

korean war, for example. it is because, i think that is a term coined in the later wars versus something like the korean war, so they were telling me that you know, they were called shellshocked. that is how they explained what they were doing. shellshocked. one of the most telling issues, and telling in the sense that you really have to sit back and think about what is it that we as a country are doing when we are sending people off to war? i was speaking to some widows of 00's who served in world war ii, and they were telling me that her husband suffered -- from it, and never told anybody. me my husband used to wake up in the middle of the night screaming, and it was all from the time that they served.

so, you can see over the years how we have not taken care of our veterans, and how we have two make this right. of course, my conversations with them are always give us the information, tell us how you think we can better address these concerns and problems. host: we are talking with congresswoman colleen hanabusa, democrat from hawaii. if you have comments or questions, you can call in you can also send an e-mail, c-span.org. you can also follow us on twitter. as folks are calling him, the house is considering the national defense authorization act this week. your priorities for that act?

we have put in, a variety of amendments, and for the most part, many our amendments, did pass, and one of the parts of the actor we looked at -- remember, i represent hawaii, and it is the center of the pacific. it is a series of hearings that we had on the pivot to asia pacific, which we have all heard a lot about with the president. the pivot, i want to make very clear is not just a military. . it is really one that talks about -- pivot. it is one that talks about security, economics. many provisions of that incorporated in the act itself. that we stayensure ready in the pacific and have our presence there. however, ifrtunate, there were amendments proposed,

i think 319, and not very many of them were made in order, but notwithstanding, we understand that the amendment to permit the made insures were not order, so we are still going through what was made in order and what was not made in order. i think it is unfortunate that the sexual assault provision amendment by congressman spear was not made in order, and, for myself, i have always had a strong sense about immigration and what we did not do correctly with the filipino veterans from world war ii, who are still waiting to have the promises that they were made fulfilled, and that was not made in order as well. i was hoping that would be part something thatas both chairmen kean and speaker arener said they

supporting, but notwithstanding nda, but iin the believe speaker boehner said he would consider an up or down vote on it. those are the things that i think are unfortunate, but as you know, it passed out of our committee unanimously. 529- host: this was over a million dollar bill, the same bill proposed by the pentagon, but very different coming from the house side. did you support the pentagon budget? change it, and that is why there has been indications from the president that he might consider vetoing the bill, but that is something that he says after each, but he has not done it yet. the actual amount is 496 for dod, but there are additional energy components that raise it.

the other interesting thing that people might not be aware of is the overseas contingency operations, iraq and afghanistan, those are also not included in this, and that is a placeholder of $79 billion. that is not part of what we are talking about. i felt that the amount would put us in a position that we would ofinitely have issues whether the military would be ready, and i think you are also hearing that now, that people are very concerned, including secretary hegel, who has made issues that this will not do what we want to there is something -- want. there was also something i call a wish list -- the opportunity, growth, security initiative -- something like that. i wish the military would speak in regular language instead of and acronyms. it is ogsi.

you can see that it is not quite what everybody wants. host: we are talking military funding and veterans issues with congresswoman colleen hanabusa we -- colleen hanabusa from hawaii. safetyt with mike from harbor, florida, on our line for republicans. good morning. caller: good morning, c-span. thank you for taking my call. i will be brief. i want to make a point, the iraq war was supported by democrats and republicans, while bush did lie, so did all of the democrats. i voted for obama and i changed because i disagreed with all of his positions, this being one of them. the lady said she was surprised at the deaths of the veterans, and how can you be shocked when our veterans are treated the way they are.

aren't 50% of homeless people veterans? you find all of the money for wars and to give away to people to incentivize them to not work, throw money in the education system, and we just keep falling further down in our test results, but you cannot find money that -- for people that have gone and made the greatest sacrifice. you tout the flag, the colors, and the rhetoric, and the yellow ribbon around the tree, but you do not do anything for these people. host: mike, let's give the congresswoman a chance to respond. guest: i think mike makes a very valid point, and like i said earlier, speaking to the veterans you here and you recognize that this is not something that is just with the phoenix situation. the phoenix situation was, in my opinion, absolutely inexcusable, and that is why i'm looking for

the report when the final investigation is done, but mike, the budgeting process, or the appropriations process, as you probably are aware, the veterans issues are not subject to discretionary spending. they are considered mandatory spending for the most part. so, when you had the infamous wasester, veterans funding not part of it. it was like social security and medicare in a different category . since i have been in the congress, said -- which has been since the hundred and 12, i believe that even with the cuts at the veterans portions have been increased, and one of the areas that congress was concentrating a lot on was in the area of the mental health provisions. so, i do not recall veterans being cut like other areas being cut because they were outside of the sequester. i believe that the area that they said was affected by

sequester was not the benefits that went to the veterans, but it might have been something in the administrative area, like it would be the v.a.'s secretary office. host: you do not think it is a funding issue, the more the management side? funding willk the never have enough money. to say that it is not a funding issue is not exactly correct. we could always have more money, what i am saying is the v.a. portion is not something that was subject to something, for example, like the sequester. it is considered mandatory spending, so it was not subject to it. clearly, there is an issue of management, and what levels we issues wehat, and have to discuss on the veterans portion would be the provision of the services, because, as you know, the medical services have been provided to veterans

through veterans services, and i know some people that have said maybe it is time to relook at that. i would still like to believe that the government, through the veterans administration, is able to provide the level of care iat our veterans deserve, and am a full supporter of the fact that they should be fully funded, and they should have the level of care that mike is referring to. of --victor a supporter is a supporter of secretary shinseki. they just want a resignation regardless of facts, shinseki stays, he is doing a good job. tom, on our line for independents. caller: good morning. i'm a vietnam vet. i go to the v.a.. i have been there for eight years. i have a nurse practitioner that has 748 patients she looks after. that is part of the problem. i have seen the dr. twice.

one of the doctors over-medicated me. there is a problem in the bureaucracy of monitoring your medication. i have over-medicated myself twice because nobody told me when to stop taking the medication. i needed a colonoscopy. he took me about 90 days to get one when i went to a private facility. i do not think there is any real, great problem -- i know we have a brand-new, fancy lobby, but if we had more doctors, more process, i think it would be really, the right thing to do. looking at all of the -- it is a bureaucracy. know what theyle are doing, they have a process. that is a cure. we do not need more money. we need a better process. as someone who will have a

hands-on situation, people only do what you inspect and what you look after. if you set up some type of system where people have to report, give information -- did not have to make life's work out of it, but just as a veteran, it scares me. host: congresswoman? guest: tom, thank you for your service. is saying is what i was saying earlier, it is probably a management issue. we have to look at how the service is being provided, and maybe it is a systemic decision the veterans administration will have to start to evaluate, but clearly, you know, a nurse practitioner with 748 patients -- i do not know how she or he manages that type of caseload. having said that, i think that

this goes back to the fundamental issue of how is it that it is being provided, and where is the breakdown as far as the veterans are concerned? with again, we are talking democratic congressman from hawaii, colleen hanabusa, on the armed services committee, a former member of the hawaii state senate from 1998 to 2009 where she served as majority leader, here to answer your questions and comments as we talk about veteran issues in military funding. tony from south carolina on our line for independents. good morning. caller: good morning, c-span. thank you for c-span. i was just wondering if there was a list that i could sign up for the illegal aliens they go to the hospital next door in the town that i live in and i have to go to hundred miles to get and there are times where i am fit to use the emergency right next door, that i have to

go down and travel and find somebody to take me there. host: are you a veteran, tony? caller: yes, i am. i am a veteran -- vietnam veteran. is there a list that i could sign up for like illegal aliens, so that i could have the service they get? guest: i think what tony is referring to is what i was alluding to earlier, which is i do not know about his illegal aliens provision of services that he is referring to, however i think it is the difference between the fact that the v.a. provision of services at the v.a. establishment versus something that is in one's neighborhood or one area -- ones area. that is what he is referring to in terms of being able to access the hospital services, emergency room services, where he may reside, and this is one of the issues that, i think, will be a

discussion,rther which would be is the provision of services, especially when the v.a.'s services are not available readily and easily within a community, what, then, should be the method of the provision? in hawaii, for example, like i said early on, we have veterans having to fly for provision of medical services, and the question is, is that something that should be continuing, or should there be some kind of a geographic kind of decision being made where if you have to go more than x miles, for example, you should be able to avail yourself of services within the community yourself? those are the things that i would hope that as the inspector general says to look at issues regarding provision and delivery of services, but they make a decision on. host: a few comments from twitter -- quagmire rights in --

require that the president and his family use the v.a. for medical needs, and see how long it takes to get fixed. then carol writes we will never have enough money because they get squandered. the a doctors see a few patients because they have no incentive to see many. and you comment on that last part of carol's tweet? v.a.: i am not sure how provides its services, but i know that members that avail themselves of certain doctors services, it is more a matter of getting their from the experiences i have had in discussing it with them versus -- and it is a system of appointments been set up and having to keep those appointments or you will not receive those services. it goes situation,-- carol's which he is saying, how those services are delivered.

those of the fundamental issues we must look at and congress should take a lead on it as well. host: dennis, myrtle beach, south carolina, on our line for republicans. good morning. caller: good morning, how are you, sir? host: good, go ahead. caller: i am a u.s. veteran marine, 100% disabled, and i 10e been in the system for years, and until about the last five years i was raving about the system here in south carolina, myrtle beach, and now it has completely changed. the administrators are running the entire thing. the doctors and the nurses are great. it is the people that run it. a patient advocate -- i will not has thehis name -- he authority to make or not make appointments for veterans, but the nurse does not have that authority. they are not qualified according to the patient advocate.

therein lies the problem. give it is these administrators and let the doctors and the nurses do it, and it will be great, i promise you that. what dennis is saying goes back to what i consider to be the fundamental issue, how that service is delivered. i am glad to hear that dennis feels that the doctors and nurses that he has experience with are great, as he says, and i would like to share with dennis -- my husband is a so, the veterans issues are ones that i watch very carefully, especially those that served in vietnam, because i think one of the things that we did as a country, even though that war was so unpopular, we did not give the veterans the due respect that they deserved, and we just treated them very poorly, and it was an unpopular

war, but it was not the fault of the veterans who served their country and went to vietnam. host: two more comments from -- "seen- irish eyes the problems with the v.a. system is one of the things that make people feel the -- fearful of the government run health who system, and roger says would want to join the military knowing what we know, a national security priority problem. the president does not see it. primary august 19 -- august 19 hawaii, why are you challenging the senator in that race? guest: as people who know, and i believe for the veterans that are listening and, this is the seat for senator daniel can only, who i think was an

exemplary american. he has both received the medal of honor, as well as the residential medal of freedom. he served in the united states senate for 50 years. was appointed. i received one of the greatest honors and elected official could receive, the wish that i'd senatornted to succeed and this is what it is about, to fill his remaining term. started atatz and i the same time. i ended my career in the state legislature as the president of the hawaii state senate, the

first woman to had either house, thei served four years in congress and i was able to serve and i have the support of the senator as well. i believe this is the time for people in hawaii to make a choice, and i am providing them a choice. >> is anything in the senator's voting record, any votes he has taken since coming to capitol hill, -- host: is there any thing in the senator's voting record that you would point to as a reason to fire him and hire you for the job? guest: he is a democrat. we, -- we vote on what comes before us to vote. i believe the difference between us is our records, how we look upon our issues, and how we prioritize what we feel is important for hawaii.

host: one or above the key things that will separate you in this election watch mike guest: i believe one of the major issues -- one is our experience. we both were elected at the same time. performance in the legislative context -- remember, the congress of the united states is the ultimate legislature in the world. we differ so much on issues so much as social security or education or other issues like that. however, where we may have a slight difference is in the commitment to what we believe the role of the military will be in the future. i happen to believe that it is critical -- it is critical to the asia-pacific. that is one of my major points that i have always advocated for and been a part of.

out: there is a newpoll a 15 pointek with lead in this contest over you in the primary. ? how do you see this guest: it is a poll from an independent organization -- not independent but an organization that supports him. hawaii, one of the blog newspapers, not a supporter of mine, actually printed the w hople poll and it was very interesting. thatoked like a push pll was done. the only independent poll we have had his by the "star advertiser" and "hawaii news now." i was up eight points on the pole. that is not his poll.

that is done for democracy for america which is backing him. guest: they are backing brian shatz and he published that poll. you can look at an independent poll. more important than that it is the people. this is an important election in hawaii. whenever i am home and talking to people, you can tell how people care about this election. evansville,is in indiana, on our line for independents. caller: good morning, i am another vietnam vet. we are fortunate here where we have a new va and it's a good size clinic. i have been treated exceptionally well. is our basea hospital and i was treated well there.

compared to other places in the country, we are fortunate. comment when you mentioned about the va not having any money, quick example of this is back in july of this past year, i had a heart attack at 6:00 in the morning. my son took me to the emergency room and i was in the hospital for a week. i could not believe the stupidity on the va in kansas city, missouri. you cannot get through that place for nothing. was 42,000 dollars and i had private insurance and they negotiated the hospital bill and got it down to where theva had to pay $2500 and the va had an excuse that i did not get preauthorized which i did not know at 6:00 in the morning. the factd issue was that i had private insurance when i was working.

it saves the taxpayers a tremendous amount of money and ofause the va said because i independent insurance, they are going to stick me with the bill. that's a good example of plain stupidity where we could've save the taxpayers a lot of money. my heart doctor could not believe it. they threw $42,000 a way when a veteran had private insurance and they negotiated it down to $2500. i'm stuck with a $2500 bill. st. mary's hospital here has tried and tried to negotiate with the va but they keep shutting me down. i think this is exactly what we have been talking about. what's happening to this gentleman is crazy. how can you ask someone to get

preauthorization when you are having a heart attack at 6:30 a.m.? that is crazy. him, he has had private insurance because of the fact that he worked and was able to secure that. in my opinion, there is no excuse for a situation such as this. it comes down to the same question again about provision of services and what you do in situations of emergency such as this and who is important here? clearly, the veterans and provisions services should be paramount and that should be what people are looking at, not the bureaucracy and whether or not you can check off the box that they got preauthorization. that is absurd. host: texas honor line for democrats -- caller: i have two points i'd like to make. i am 100% service connected disabled veteran.

i have been going to the v.a. since the 70's. what a lot of people don't know as far as medical mistakes go is that the overwhelming percentage of doctors there are residents. they are supposed to be overseen by doctors. most of the doctors that oversee almoste dedicated entirely to research. seeing patients is something they have to do but not something they really like doing. cut with thems during the bush era for medical personnel. they were behind the times in terms of being able to hire personnel in terms of making appointments and things and this is especially true in the dental clinics. you wait months to get appointments and dental clinics. even while there are working on you. the second point i wanted to

make is that the private vendors that bush invited into the v.a. and turned it into a mini mall, we had a perfectly good first service place downstairs in every v.a. and now they've got these private vendors in that are gone by 2:00 or 3:00 each day. it is not there for the convenience of the veterans, it's there for the convenience of the people that work there. it's the same thing with their little px canteen store. i had to make a lot of noise to get them to carry regular pajamas. you could not find ace bandages. you find electric attires or household appliances and you findteddies for women to wear at home but not at the hospital. in all kinds of things like that, toys for kids. host: she brings up several issues there. is shewhat's interesting

-- i didrivate caller not hear from her and the kind actualicism of the doctors that do the service. the prior caller had great things to say about his evansville provision of service. however, linda's points are well taken. dental clinics are something we continually hear about. i have heard it in hawaii as well. the ability to get dental care is difficult. in a way, we have a problem with provision of dental care just in terms of the rural nature of the islands. i think that is a constant that i have heard about is that dental clinics are not adequately staffed for people. i don't know about her criticism of the private vendors were

what's available. may be the px store within the hospital complex -- those i do not know about. somethinghat's just the v.a. will have to look at. i'm sure it was something that was decided at that point in time and it was probably more economical. host: from twitter -- guest: that's an interesting point. a lot of the question is exactly that -- how is health care changing? for example, the kaiser system which is one model that has been looked at and maybe it's a model that some believe is actually the basis of the affordable care act.

in that model, physicians are on salaries. the level of the pay is one of the issues. another issue is when it came to looking at the provision of any kind of health care, universal or otherwise, is the fact that we don't have enough primary care physicians. whether you call them general protect -- practitioners or whatever, that does not seem to be what those were going to medical school are really interested in becoming. is theunderstand that situation but it will be that i think will take a while to rethink the provision of medical care and how it will be. i agree that a lot of it has to do with the salary. a lot of that salary will have to deal with how much that compensation is. when a physician makes a decision as to how much money they will make, the decision

will be what is it worth to you not to have to deal with malpractice insurance? what does it mean when you don't have to deal with the overhead or provision -- just the operational and of being in a business? those are the trade-offs that people will need. atust talk to some students the university of hawaii medical school. that was a discussion we had about what is it that people want in terms of people going into the medical field who have dedicated from high school all the way to college to get to the medical school and get into a profession, what is the return they want? he raises a very important question, one that is fundamental to the whole issue of provision of medical care. host: here is an e-mail --

guest: i agree. we see that all the time. that's a fundamental problem that government has his government likes data. they want to be able to say that they served x thousands of people and the results are x, y, and z and in order to be able to present decision-makers with any kind of data they feel is necessary, we unfortunately go to data collection as a primary focus. we have seen that an education. the criticism of no child left behind was that we were testing so often in gathering data that

we are losing sight of the fundamental issue which is the provision of education. i agree with that. host: just a minute or two left -- let's go to mark in egg harbor township, new jersey. he is an independent. caller: i'm a vietnam veteran also. in this area of south jersey, we have over 3000 veterans between world war ii and vietnam. i belong to a local vietnam veterans organization here. we had a meeting a couple of years ago with all of our state senators and local politicians about trying to get sort of a credit card that would be issued to the veteran so they could use local hospitals in the area. we even had a representative of a local hospital about a quarter of a mile from me at the meeting who was already prepared and have everything necessary and he

could meet all the veterans administration's qualifications for a hospital. for a veteran, to have a card and be able to walk into a andital and show that card let the hospital perform the services and let the hospital billed the v.a. would save so much trouble. i have to travel 75 miles one-way to go to my hospital which is in wilmington, delaware. then they have to turn around and give me travel pay which amounts to about $50. i waste a hold day. if i've more than one appointment, i am jammed up because by the time the bus gets me down there, it is a two-hour ride because it stops at the v.a. home on the way down. host: we will give the congresswoman the last minute here. guest: i agree. this is what we have been talking about from the start of this conversation. it's the provision of care and is there something that should be looked at.

i did not think of the credit card situation but that is one response. what is a reasonable distance to expect vets to travel especially when you have to catch a ride with the bus? in hawaii, they have to fly. if they don't make that plain, they are not going to make that appointment. i think that you raise a great point. i congratulate you and your other veterans, the 3000 of you, who are looking at this and i hope the v.a. is doing an assessment and will consider these issues. host: congresswoman colleen hanabusa from hawaii. thanks for joining us. guest: thank you for having me. host: up next, we will take a look at the m.i.t. technology review 10 breakthrough technologies of 2014 in our weekly spotlight on magazine segment. first, news update -- >> it's 9:15 a.m. eastern time --

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hours sunday, june 1 at noon eastern on c-span two. >> "washington journal" continues. host: each week we spotlight a recent magazine piece. this week's segment comes from the may-june edition of the m.i.t. technology review and the cover story is 10 breakthrough technologies of 2014. the deputy editor is with us for today's discussion. how do you define richer technology as your group put together this package or m.i.t.? separate try to incremental development from something that is more of a milestone. the milestone is defined by asking ourselves which technological breakthroughs of the past year are going to solve a big problem or a set of problems?

if they don't necessarily solve a problem, they reduce for june in the world were they create new opportunities, new business opportunities perhaps or even new opportunities use technology further. foundationalhow and it host: sets the host: stage for future developments. let's run through the list -- these are the 10 breakthrough technologies. of the 10 the magazine came up with, genome editing, agile robots, ultra private smartphones, microscale 3-d printing which uses living cells and 3-d printing, mobile collaboration that allows easier reproduction or editing on mobile devices, smart wind and solar power, oculus rift which is virtual reality headgear for consumers, nor oh more thick , agricultural drones and

brain mapping. those are the 10 we will be discussing for the next 40 minutes or so. we encourage our viewers to call in and offer your own thoughts on either those technologies or other breakthrough technologies you would list. as we talk with brian bergstein, did you'd put these in order of importance? >> not really, they're meant to be equally important. we cover so many different fields. betweenhe differences our publication and others is that we are not solely focused on the web or computing or gadgets. we cover energy and biomedicine so we're looking for things that span the areas we cover. it would be hard to rank or compare a development in clean energy with something in consumer electronics. they are all out there and they are in their own way equally important. host: let's delve into one of the breakthrough technologies, ultra private smartphones.

you write -- the nsa revelations that came out last year got everybody talking about how much data there is about us that follows us around as we are online at smartphones in particular are broadcasting a lot of information about us. is sensitive or private information at times. preferences, what you read, what you look at, how you shop. the snowden revelations are interesting because while the focus of tension on the nsa and the legality of what it is getting without a warrant, the subtext to that was that this information is readily available in the first place. it has been for a long time and

there is a huge industry of commercial data brokers that buy and sell information about your online habits and that has been going on and growing for years, for a decade. people who follow privacy issues closely have known about this and talked about this and there has been great reporting about the commercial data brokers. the focus on what the government is doing through the nsa and other agencies sort of rekindled the discussion about privacy more broadly. over the past year, there have been some new models of smart phones that have come out such as the black phone which is a mainstream friendly mass-market ready device that, by default, includes a lot of the privacy protections that they busily you would have to go out and hunt for if you are privacy conscious. the data on your phone is encrypted by default. the mechanism by which your ,hone signals to wi-fi hotspots

that is shut down unless you're in a predetermined area. even though the nsa revelations -- revelations got the attention, there is broader conversations about privacy and other is a phone on the market that makes it far easier to protect your privacy by default. host: we are talking with brian the deputy editor at the m.i.t. technology review. on ultra private smartphones is written by david talbot. the story notes that black phone sells for $629 with subtractions to privacy protection services. that's one of the many measures that technologists are taking in response to the snowden revelations. we will go to the 10 breakthrough technologies of 2014 as listed by m.i.t. technology review. here are the numbers to call in

-- this is not a new thing for m.i.t. technology review to do. you have been doing this for 14 years or so? theuest: that's right, first one of these lists came out in 2001. it's interesting to look back. people should go to technology review.com and and check it out. the earlier ones often protect some of the technologies that became big over the last decade and beyond. the first list included biometrics which is the measurement of personal characteristics for your identification, fingerprints or iris patterns. some fundamental medical research that we are now

familiar with like rain machine interfaces was on their sore our track record is pretty good. host: it brings up some of the issues that have become key issues to date on that first list from 2001 -- digital write management is one of the breakthrough technology issues that was listed back then. in the latest issue that came break 2014, another would through technology is agricultural drones. tell us about that. it was fun because the article in the magazine was written by chris anderson, the whoer editor of "wired" left to start a drones company. are familiarhat we with drones in a military context. some people have been familiar automatedists with choppers and planes you can fly around at the park and take pictures.

this new class of agricultural drones is different and new because they are priced relatively affordably, under $1000. they come with a set of sensors on board that make it possible for farmers to send them up over their fields and get readouts on information that previously would have to have been collected manually or in less detail. it's possible to go up and get a needse of where pesticide to be applied or where water actually needs to be applied. the idea is that you could use less of each. the game and accor culture is we want to increase output -- the game in agriculture is increase output and using fewer resources

to produce the same amount of food. commercial use of drones is something the faa is looking into to making rules about, correct? guest: that's right but below a certain height ceiling, it's perfectly legal. they fly less than 1000 feet and hover over a field and can come back with information that says here is where the soil is dry and here is actually where there is a light or something that needs to be addressed. andget a much finer picture apply your resources much more carefully. host: we will keep going through the breakthrough technologies of 2014. let's bring in our callers. let's go to roger in illinois, on our line for independents. are you with us? he might've stepped away. line go to our independent

from oakland, california. caller: hi, i was noticing on your list of technologies you mentioned wind and solar. i have been puzzled for some time white tidal energy has not been exploited. it is available at most people in the united states or within 25 miles of the coast. it's an obvious source of energy and easy to use. i don't understand why it has not been exploited. guest: that's a great question. unfortunately, like any promising sounding alternative energy, it has to be economical. and couldgy is useful be promising but it is not yet economical. it's not going to generate enough power to be worth installing what you need to do to harness -- to harness the

power. that's interesting about this list about smart wind and solar power. there is a knock against solar that it is not cost competitive with coal or natural gas. power. interesting is that a utility and colorado in particular is at the forefront of this, xl energy. they have outfitted every single wind turbine and innate winfield with sensors that are registering in great detail just how much energy is coming how any given turbine in any given time and combining that with really detailed forecast of the weather. what they know is just how often the wind is going to blow and how strong and how much power they can reasonably expect to generate from a wind farm. wend and solar have been coming down the cost for a while. can help make wins that

much more economical because if you know that the wind will blow and you can trust that based on this detailed data you're getting, you don't fire up a backup plan. traditionally, the operator of a is a utility relying on the power for the wind farm but would have to fire a backup plan. blowingthe wind stops is what that's for. that raises the essential net cost of wind power. if you never have to fire up or you can fire up the backup power less often, wind effectively becomes less cheap. it is an economics question. that's the kind of test and whichtidal power and other beatable semi-alternatives do not yet measure up. host: on the subject of agricultural drones --

a question on twitter -- guest: that's a great question. we have thought a lot about this. i don't see anything yet. we ask ourselves this question a lot because there is a real interesting and dynamic private spaceflight business emerging. it's not only for tourism but obviously to bring -- to supply the rockets that nasa needs to bring supplies and people to the space stations. there are companies that want to mine asteroids. just last week, one of the companies that was talking about mining asteroids seemingly scaled-back its ambitions. instead of mining asteroids for all kinds of things that you cannot find on earth reveille,

now the latest business plan is that they would mine asteroids for water that would be useful in fuel permissions deeper into space. all of a sudden, that becomes more speculative and further out. there really is not anything breakthrough, i would say, in spaceflight. spacex has done is fantastic, private rocket company. but it is not changing the game dramatically in space. host: on the subject of ultra-private smartphones -- let's go to wilson waiting in kentucky, on our line for republicans. caller: good morning and thanks for taking my call. andve a couple of questions

partial comments. researchoing on with and development into high-temperature superconductivity? is, ther question positive ion exchange membrane of the pmes fuel-cell system? that seems to be very important with respect to getting on the hydrogen energy system. can you comment on either one of those for me please, sir? can't.no, i those are outside my room of expertise. i would just be sort of guessing. after a few years of talking about hydrogen economy or hydrogen powered cars or

whatever, anything related to hydrogen as a fuel still is not progressed very far. other than that, there is really not anything exciting in that realm right now for us. specifics, it's beyond my room of expertise. host: let's go to when you see is a breakthrough, agile robots. that is listed as one of your 10 breakthrough technologies. tell us about that. guest: this is interesting is that a sorts of inflection point. it is this idea and technology that there has been some breakthrough that will allow those big jump ahead. we are familiar with robots in certain contexts. there has been robots on assembly lines and factories for a long time. robots do certain

novel things were very specific tasks like vacuuming your floor. agile robots, we are referring to a class of robots that can do something that has not been possible before. they can stand up and walk, they can dynamically balance themselves. robots have been able to stand up but that has been statically balanced. if you knock them over, they would fall down. the agile robot is that companies like boston dynamics which was bought by google and the last year and a few others have built robots that with every step can balance themselves. it's much like what we do to walk and move around. that is important because you can now have robots be far more depth at navigating -- far more depth at navigating the environment we move around in and handling everyday landscapes like going up and down stairs or clamber over rocks.

they can carry things long distances in the regular environment. rather than just being an arm that swivels around in a factory assembly line, they can now maybe go into places that are too dangerous for humans to go. imagine after something like the fukushima nuclear cleanup in japan, there were situations that were too dangerous or inadvisable for humans to go in. if you could send a robot reliably back and look around and take images and move things around, that's hugely important. other kind of disaster recovery efforts -- we are a long way away from sending a machine into do that stuff but the fundamental advance of a robot that can stand up and walk around and move around is being pushed heavily by the military is r&d and there is a challenge theg on testing

capabilities of these kind of machines. that effort tends to push the technology along quickly so we think the next few years will see some huge developments in robots with a great amount of agility. we are focusing on the temperature technologies of 2014 in our spotlight on magazine segments. joe is waiting in las vegas, nevada, ireland for democrats. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. i am interested in the mapping of the brain. the pineal gland, do you know anything about that? >> i have heard of it but i'm not too aware of whether it plays a special role in the mapping process. the mapping project is to look at the entire brain. there is a few different mapping

projects we're talking about. whether it is a certain treating mental illness or brain disorders, we are on the verge of a great amount of improvement in our understanding of the brain. just about any project that involves the brain requires a good map. what we have had for a long time is a very imperfect one and a very rough one. you may have seen the traditional map that shows brain regions, each region being somehow implicated in certain functions. ,hat level of specificity breaking the cortex into 50 regions, a lot of that work was done in the early 20th century. there are fascinating project now that take the brains of two divers and slice them

unbelievably thin. you can imagine making a hair's width size of rain and they are put on a sca and a digital reconstruction of the brain can be made to a resolution as fine as 20 microns. you're getting to the level where you can map down to the individual neurons. everybody's brain is different. that map of neuron is not the same in every person. that's part of what makes you you. once you get down to that level ofof detail, now you can start o do all kinds of research that was never possible before. you can target and measure the performance or the energy from individual neurons. you can get a much finer picture of how regions of the brain interact. we have had a sort of high-level map and now we are going into more detail. it's fundamental research that will lay the groundwork for a lot come a we think i'm in the coming years. host: the list of the 10

breakthrough technologies from m.i.t. technology review are highlighted in this weeks -- and this month's magazine. let us know which one of those you want to chat about and our phone lines are open for the next 20 minutes or so. waiting in steve scottsdale, arizona, on our line for republicans. caller: good morning. about andering technology where if you are driving -- i thought this would save millions of gallons of gas at this. if the just light car pulls up to a and it activates the light and

once it turns green, that car pulls out but a lot of times, it will turn red for maybe 50 or 100 cars that have to stop to let the one car out. i know we have the technology where instead if they had sensors that would let all those cars go through the light first and then they will let the light turned green to let the one car out. across implemented that the united states, it would save billions of gallons of gas per day. host: perhaps it's technology for a future edition? guest: it's a great idea. if you look around, how much energy is actually wasted, you will start to see it everywhere. that is a great example that transportation is such a huge -- part of our carbon footprint and wasted money. transportation accounts for a lot of that.

there are some interesting projects on smart cities. i think they tend to be over hyped. people are at least considering this which is the idea that with more sensors everywhere, sensors that are smarter, the one that with thetalked about pressure reader industry to determine if a car is there -- that is a pretty dumb sensor. if you can eventually get to the place where there is car to car communication -- one reason that the self driving google car project is interesting is not that any individual car can be cell driven or automatically driven but that if you had a bunch of in the vicinity of each other, they could communicate with each other and coordinate their movements. to let youl stop three go because you three are moving faster -- the kind of thing. we are a long way away from

that. the self driving car is a little distracting. i think you'll be driving your car for a long time but there is research on this. maybe it is something we would be highlighting in the magazine a few years. ein previouslyrgst served as a silicon valley correspondent for the ap and the technology editor. from our twitter page -- guest: it's a really exciting field. 3-d printing is already here. it has gotten a lot of attention. it comes in a few forms. the more interesting form is what manufacturers like ge or airbus would call additive manufacturing. instead of taking a block of

material and milling it away to what you want, they are using 3-d printing technologies to build up a part for an airplane or something layer by layer putting material exactly where you want it. you can create novel materials that were not possible before and you can have material with the same structural integrity as a previous part but let's wait. -- but less weight. on the other side, we have home 3-d printers allow you to make things if you want. with those, it is limited in your materials mainly to plastic. plastic comes out of the print head novel -- nozzle and solidifies. for now this is mainly a hobbyist angle. what we are writing about in the magazine with microscale 3-d printing is we are talking about researchers who are doing fascinating work to use 3-d printing with a greater variety

of materials, not plastic. we are talking about living cells, battery components and using multiple materials and one session of 3-d printing. there is interesting research at princeton and harvard and a few other places like cambridge in the u.k. the idea is to actually build something where the form and function are both optimized. at some point, if you wanted to have an artificial organ perhaps to test medicines on or even sunday to become a replacement, you could actually see it's possible to say build that artificial organ with a 3-d printer combining the tissue necessary to make the organ and the blood vessels that need to course through it in order for the organ to work. is a really dramatic and

exciting potential use of 3-d printing. part i've mentioned before about battery electrodes, imagine a hearing aid -- they all -- are already custom fit. matching of the battery could be laid down of the same time you're making the device. electronics could become slimmer and more streamlined and custom-made but with the function already built inside. host: let's go to will waiting in albany, oregon, on our line for independents. caller: good morning, c-span and thank you for taking my call. do any of these technologies add to the human being? does it help the human mind? does it help the human heart? does it help us to be more compassionate beings to one another? these are the breakthroughs we need. i may not be technological but these are the breakthroughs we need.

do we have any technology insight that can help us in any beingsome better human and healthier human beings? guest: that's a great question. lot becauset this a there are a lot of technologies that make life easier but does that necessarily make life better? easier is not necessarily better. too much automation, for example, is dangerous. it's dangerous to our economy perhaps or our sense of who we are in our labor. personally, i think of myself as somewhat skeptical. not all breakthroughs are necessarily good. the one thing i would say is on our list, we are seeing these breakthroughs are important and we are trying to separate the value of whether they are good. in answer to your question,

while we are skeptical, i think we are optimists which is to say that if you name the world's -- clean energy being a huge 1 -- even though technology is a cause of a lot of these problems, one way or another, technology will have to be a solution. we will live in a world of 9 billion people by 2050. if we are going to feed them or give them the standard of living they will want in a sustainable way, technology will have to be part of the answer. if we can live in a world that is less stressed in its resources -- i think we can become better people as a result. i think we can become a little more secure and a little more comfortable. in big parts of the world, people live day to day, meal to meal. there are psychologies or other developments that can make their

lives easier and that should open their hearts and do some of the things you're talking about. that is a great question but i just don't i technology is the be-all and end-all answer but it can help us on the path that you're describing. host: we've got about 10 minutes left before the house comes in. we will try to get to as many calls we can. we go to brooklyn, new york, on our line for democrats. caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. is concerning the technological breakthroughs -- it appears from what you're saying that these breakthroughs are naturally going to be esoteric to the people and companies that actually make these breakthroughs. when do you think in the long term that the basic fundamental science and engineering knowledge of these breakthroughs become part of our educational

system where a large group of people now have the opportunity to expand on them, have the education to know about these technologies so that our employment is more spread out throughout the country in order for people to participate and maybe for the society as a whole, people can have these writers help our society and become part of our educational system for the betterment of our future. guest: that's a good question. i don't know how to take that one on. i feel like some of these technologies we are citing are not necessarily esoteric. some of these are things that you can buy right now like the drones and this private smartphone oculus rift. that doesn't quite answer your question about improving for having this economic or employment impact.

all i can say is what we try to do with the list is come up with things that are not super far out and super speculative. looking back in our past lists, there are things that did not make it. -- not play it to say but there are enough things on this list that art truly happening. the work with 3-d printing that i described, it's possible to see a demonstration of this at labs at harvard and princeton. it is actually happening now. what the economic impact of all this will be remains to be seen. anything that crazy new opportunities, creates new possibilities for people to build new businesses and services and hopefully expand the economy and create new jobs. the impact on education -- you may have me there. i'm not sure there's anything on this list that directly impacts education. host: jean from ohio --

that's a really good question. we did not focus on that. we were looking at the typical white-collar worker on the go for this piece. his we are talking about many of us work in offices where the work consists of putting a document together or writing something or getting something out into the world or putting something on a website. many people's work is collaborative and you produce something. the tools we have to do this with are essentially traditional desk top software like microsoft word or excel or power panel -- or powerpoint. more and more of us work on the go and check things on our phones. more and more work happens with teams that are virtual where people are in multiple places and not sitting in the same office. people work from home more often.

there is a new class of software that makes it possible to work this way much more effectively. instead of just shuffling a word attachment around, you can work some body ofon text or something that exists on your phone as you are working on it. it does not have to be saved and e-mailed around with a million attachments. everyone's contributions are sort of brought together in real-time. people move faster and is built more for the way we work. it's important because so much of the economy happens with this kind of work. there's is a much better way to and making life easier and more productive for people. as far as soldiers, i would bet there is a way that soldiers in the field could use something

like this. much of the military today is about information and exchanging information and connecting soldiers and their leaders to a network. anything that allows people to share information in real-time, to contribute what they are seeing or to get a readout -- that could be huge. to some extent, the military already does a lot of that. what we are talking about here may not apply. host: just a few minutes left but we will go to steve waiting in colorado on our line for independents. caller: good morning, great show. i love the subject. i was talking to my grandson the other day about the oculus rift and he tried to it's plain to me but can you expand on that and what it is?

guest: virtual reality is really the broader name for the technology. ourid not call it that on list because that is not new. virtual reality came out in the 1990's. i remember going into a video arcade in the 90's and putting and my bulky headset view is completely surrounded my felt as if i was in this digital landscape doing some kind of space mission. it was cool and interesting but it was not going to take off because the technology was too expensive and the graphics were not that good. it actually had some interesting applications in industry. don a headsetto and certain kinds of architectural settings to design the building or look into a 3-d

view of something. what we are talking about here is mass-market virtual reality. we now have a0's, device soon to hit the market call the oculus rift and sony is putting out its own version. the levelbe priced at where you will plug this into your home game console and it will enable virtual reality. you will put this thing over your head and it looks weird but when you do it, you're instantly surrounded by this 3-d panorama. you feel like you are are where you are. this opens up incredible applications and entertainment. video games written specifically for virtual reality will be the first major thing that gets people excited. already people are extremely excited about this. over time, you can see virtual

reality becoming a new entertainment medium. what if movies were written or made to be viewed in virtual reality? the set of playing again, i can sit back and witness an immersive 3-d experience. people talk about experience in travel. inn -- since you're colorado, i would like to slip on and oculus rift and see your state in the winter and imagine myself going down the slopes. it's a fun technology. there are all kinds of applications not only in gaming but entertainment and travel. or real estate. instead of going to an open house, you could slip this on and work through a realistic scene of the place you're interested in. this will be big. host: in the last 30 seconds or so, here is a twitter question -- oculus rift for sure is

is coming and sony out with their copycat device and that will be something that will be out soon and also the ultra-private smartphone, the black phone, is out and so are similar phones. host: we will try to sneak in one quick call from francisco in biloxi, mississippi, on our line for republicans. make it quick. what other technology besides x-ray and ultrasound are we using to map the body to find cancers? we have been doing x ray for a century now. we should get other technologies going. better forms of scanning. one thing that has come out in the last few years is that scanning at high resolution to look for cancer is not

necessarily productive. you end up seeing things that could be precancerous but will not turn out to be cancerous. you cause all kinds of problems in cost when you do that. resolution scanning is not necessarily what we need when it comes to cancer. host: we will and it there but thank you for joining us. it's the m.i.t. technology review, this month's edition, the temperature technologies. that will be our show for today. president obama is scheduled to meet with the veteran affairs secretary eric k. shinseki this morning at 10:00 a.m. and the white house has announced the president will deliver a statement to the press and we are covering that will bring you those remarks on c-span as soon as the house goes into recess later this morning. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] speaker's rooms, washington, d.c., may 21, 2014, i hereby appoint the honorable david w. jolly to act as speaker pro tempore on this day. signed,