family, because russia itself found itself in that tragic situation in october 2001. and antiaircraft missile downed . passenger flight 78 people were killed. -- the circumstances became clear right after the accident and were affirmed by international experts who were independent. do this day, ukraine has refuted its legal responsibility here -- has refuted ukraine its legal responsibility here. it would be frivolous to give kiev a leading role in the investigation. during the investigation, ukraine is going to have to answer a number of questions regarding the activities of its region,rollers in the why one of ukrainian batteries systems was -- ukrainian battery's systems was in an area controlled by the rebels, why,

after the downing of the flight, was the battery hastily removed from that area, why, on 17 june, were ukrainian antiaircraft radars working at an all-time high? these are a number of questions which have been set forth by the ministry of defense of russia and which should be answered -- which the international investigators are going to have to know about. is only providing [indiscernible] to the security council. for an example, they controversial recordings by the commanders of the rebels, which then seemed to be touched up negotiations which had taken place before july 17. the minister of internal affairs of ukraine put forth a video which somehow showed a surface-to-air [indiscernible] in russian territory, but which was filmed in ukrainian territory. that could not have been controlled by rebels.

let us not forget that the reason for 17 july incident was an armed clash in ukraine in the area of the crash site. the priorities today are swift halting of classes and violence, establishing peaceful -- halting andlashes and violence, establishing peace. to concludeoing here, but i just have a comment to make. it seems to me that today's meeting was not going to be controversial. however, the u.s. representative chose a literary track. perhaps washington does not know about those efforts which russia has undertaken in the frame of the context group, among other things, to ensure that international experts can come to the area of the crash site as swiftly as possible. if that is the fact, then the american embassy should be better informed. indeed, there is no need to turn

the discussion of a tragedy into a farce. thank you. >> i think the representative of the russian federation for his statement. i give now the floor to the representative of look the when you -- the representative of lithuania. >> the international community has been in painful shock since the downing of malaysia airlines flight mh 17 in donetsk province in ukraine on thursday. having heard the statements today, i believe all of us are still in disbelief. ukraine and international investigators were obstructed by illegal armed groups to secure, investigate, and collect evidence at the crash site. black box is apparently remain in the hands of armed terrorists apparently remain in the hands of armed terrorists. inexplicable -- the tragedy [indiscernible]

ones,to live of 298 loved including 80 children. the government of lithuania extends deepest condolences and shares the grief of all the and extends their deepest sympathy. the big -- remains of the victims must be treated with dignity and returned to the families as soon as possible. in the face of this unjustifiable incident, we look forward to an independent and thorough international invest inion -- investigation accordance with international guidelines. perpetrators of this despicable crime must be brought to justice. impunity will not go unpunished. we welcome the unanimous adoption today of the resolution. 13 council members, including lithuania, have sponsored this. we have requested in this resolution the secretary-general

to report to the council on the relevant developments and options for you and support to .n. investigation -- for u support to the investigation. we asked the secretary journal -- secretary-general to do that as soon as possible. we commend the announcement by the ukrainian president petro poroshenko of the immediate cease-fire within 40 kilometers radius around the crash site. expect a similar announcement from illegally armed groups and their backers? mr. president, responsibility for the downing of mh 17 lies with those who have been orchestrating the increasing flow of foreign fighters, arms, and heavy military equipment to the east of ukraine. it is a part of armed aggression. lithuania urges russia to unequivocally distance itself

from any kind of direct or indirect support to terrorist, separatists, and foreign fighters in the east of ukraine. ongoing criminal activities by people'salled -- republic and.net people's republic are appalling. the number of civilians killed, injured, and evicted row every day. armed gangs do not care about civilians in.net or lujan's -- in donetsk or luhansk. tomorrow, the foreign members of the european union will discuss additional measures against those stoking the conflict in ukraine. we urge states to stop military cooperation with russia until russia unequivocally commits to peace, security, and stability of its neighbors, including ukraine. i thank you. >> i think the representative of lithuania for his statement -- i thank the representative lithuania for his statement. i give now the floor to the

representative of chad. >> thank you, mr. president. i'd like to welcome the foreign ministers of australia, the netherlands, and luxembourg. chad once again expresses its most heartfelt condolences to the bereaved families and states whose nationals were amongst the 298 killed during the crash. chad thanks australia for its theiative and welcomes consensus of all council member states on resolution -- the resolution we have just adopted. also would like to hail the commitment of the council to providing an appropriate and

swift response. one can answer it with the tragedy -- one commensurate with the tragedy that has occurred. chad, in voting in favor of this resolution and cosponsoring it, hopes that all light will be shed on these heinous crimes. which took the lives of about 300 innocent people. in this vein, chad calls for unhindered access to the crash site and the safety of international experts there. these things must be guaranteed. this will ensure that investigators can conduct the

investigations in all transparency and independence in participationthe of relevant organizations. we stress the need to maintain the integrity of the crash site for the conduct of investigations and the desired results. tragedyetrators of this must be identified and held to account. statested nations member tould contribute fact-finding and accountability. thank you. ofi thank the representative chad for his statement. i shall know make a statement as -- in my capacity as representative of rwanda. first of all, i would like to

thank australia for introducing this resolution on the shooting down of malaysia flight mh 17. --ould also like to thank take this opportunity to it knowledge the presence amongst us of the minister for foreign affairs of australia, the ofister for foreign affairs luxembourg, and the minister for foreign affairs of the netherlands. this incident, no doubt, has shocked the world and touched all of us, in particular the families and the nation's grieving for their loved ones. , once this opportunity to again, offer my president, the people over wanda, -- the people of rwanda, our deepest sympathies and condolences to the families, the people, and government of the 298 victims.

rwanda cosponsored and voted in favor of this resolution primarily because, as a matter the deceased and their families must be accorded the utmost respect and dignity they deserve. we also believe that is surroundingat facts the downing of this plane are established and the perpetrators of this heinous crime are identified and brought to justice. troubled thatly separatist groups in eastern ukraine have been obstructing and denying access to the crash site, not to mention removing bodies and material elements necessary for the investigation. we condemn this behavior in the

strongest terms. that resolution 2166 that we just adopted supports efforts to establish a full, thorough, and independent international investigation into the incident in occurrence with international civil aviation guidelines. farther --ion further demand that the armed groups in control of the crash site and the surrounding area refrain from any actions that may compromise the integrity of the crash site. in this regard, we urge the separatists to fully implement, without preconditions, their commitment made on july 17 in a videoconference with the trilateral contact group. --ally, rwanda returns

reiterates its call to the separatist groups in eastern ukraine to respect the unity, sovereignty, and territorial adherety of ukraine, to to a sustainable cease-fire as requested by the joint declaration by the foreign ministers of ukraine, the russian federation, france, and engage in theo political dialogue with the ukrainian government based on president poroshenko's peace plan. i thank you. i resume now my faction as president of the council. i give the floor to his excellency, the minister of france, minister of foreign affairs of the kingdom of the netherlands. you have the floor. >> thank you very much, mr. president. and thank you for allowing me to speak here today. we are here to discuss the

tragedy, the downing of a commercial airliner and the death of 298 innocent people. men, women, and a staggering number of children lost their lives on their way to their holiday destinations, their homes, loved ones, or international obligations, such as an important hiv aids conference -- hiv/aids conference in australia. since thursday, i've been thinking -- how horrible must it have been, the final moments of their lives when they knew the plane was going down. did they lock hands with their loved ones? do they hold their children close to their hearts? -- did they hold their children close to their hearts? did they look each other in the

eyes one final time in a wordless goodbye? we will never know. the demise of almost 200 of my compactor it's has left -- of my has left a hole in the heart of the dutch nation. it has caused grief, anger, and despair. refer the loss of the loved ones, anger for the outrage of the downing of a severe he and ofgrief at the loss loved ones, anger for the outrage of the downing of a commercial airplane, and despair at the slow process of securing the crash site and recovering the remains of the victims. it is fitting that this august council should take positions on this matter, and i welcome the adoption of today's resolution of the united nations security council, which was tabled by australia and which netherlands cosponsored. whichk the countries

expressed support for it, and i particularly want to thank julie bishop, personally. julie, we are in this together. mr. president, for the netherlands, one priority clearly stands out above all the others -- ending the victims' -- bringing the victims' remains home. it is a matter of human dignity that the remains should be treated with respect and recovering the remains should be treated without delay. the last couple of days, we received very disturbing reports of bodies being moved about and looted for their possessions. minute, not addressing you as representatives of your country, but as husbands and wives, fathers and mothers, just imagine that you first get the news that your husband was killed, and then within two or three days, you see images of

some thug removing a wedding band from their hands. just imagine that this could be your spouse. to my dying day, i will not understand that it took so much time for the rescue workers to be allowed to do their difficult jobs and that human remains should be used in a political game. if somebody here around the table talks about the political game, this is the political game that has been played with human remains and it is despicable. not havee world will to witness this again anytime in the future. images of children's toys being tossed around, luggage being opened, and passports, including passports of children, being shown on television -- they are turning our grief and mourning into anger of a whole nation.

we demand unimpeded access to the terrain. treatmentrespectful of the crash site. we demand dignity for the but them's -- the victims and the multitudes who mourn their loss. i call on the international community, on this security council, on anyone with influence on the situation on the ground, allow us to bring the victims' remains home to their loved ones without any further delay. they deserve to be home. as we are currently taking the lead in the forensic examination of the human remains, i pledge that the netherlands will do its utmost to make sure that all remains will be identified and returned home, wherever that home may be. we will work intensively with all countries and international organizations involved to make this happen as soon as possible. also welcome, i

the setting up of a proper investigation into the cause of the tragedy of mh 17 as envisaged in today's resolution. the netherlands has agreed to assume a leading role in such an investigation in close cooperation with the relevant countries, united nations, and i keio -- and iko. i'm fully aware of the great responsibility we not take upon ourselves, and i give you my personal -- we now take upon ourselves, and i give you my personal commitment that we will discharge this responsibility to the best of our abilities. as far as the safety and security of the site and the international investigators is concerned, i underline the responsibility security council took upon itself with today's resolution, to take additional measures if circumstances so require. once the investigation ascertains who was response will for the downing of flight mh 17, accountability and justice must

be pursued and delivered. we owe it to the victims. we owe it to justice. we owe it to humanity. fulle provide cooperation so that justice can be served. factsl not rest until all are known and justice is served. i thank you, mr. president. >> i thank his excellency, minister timmermans, for his statement. i now give the floor to the representative of malaysia. >> thank you, mr. president. i wish to knowledge the president -- presence of the foreign minister of australia, netherlands.nd the mr. president, i thank you for giving my delegation the opportunity to address the

council at this point in time. i wish to also thank all the council members, in particular the delegation of australia, for their efforts in coordinating and presenting the resolution. we welcome the unanimous 1-66tion of the resolution 2 by the council today. the president -- mr. president, as one of the countries most severely impacted by the tragedy of mh 17, malaysia attaches great importance to this resolution. for my delegation, this resolution lays the groundwork for the approach to be taken by the international community, in particular the united nations system and its mechanisms, to addressing the many questions raised from the downing of mh 17. that noo underscore amount of measures will ever compensate nor assuage the grief and suffering of the

families and loved ones of the victims who were on board mh 17. incumbent upon us as members of the united nations family to honor the victims by anertaking a full, thorough, independent investigation into the downing of mh 17. mr. president, last friday during the council's emergency meeting on ukraine, i had informed the council that malaysia would immediately dispatch a team to kiev with a sting with to assi the investigation. the team arrived on saturday, july 19. a malaysian team in tf has joined other international teams kiev has joined other international teams in the joint international investigation team.

malaysia regrets to note that as of today the joint international investigation team has yet to begin in full access to the crash site -- to be given full access to the crash site. of full finds this lack access on acceptable and reiterates the call on all states and actors in the region to cooperate fully in the conduct of the international investigation, including being given immediate and unrestricted foress to the crash site and full guarantees to be provided for the safety and security of the investigation teams. at the same time, all parties must exert all efforts to preserve the integrity of the crash site with a view to facilitating the work of the investigation teams. such guarantees must also extend to the dignified and respectful treatment of the body's and remains -- the bodies and remains of the victims. the keyysia, one of

mission priorities for our investigation team is the recovery, identification, and repatriation of the bodies and remains of the victims. this is to ensure that their haveies and loved ones can closure and that the victims are accorded the dignity of a proper burial. mr. president, flight mh 17 was a severe -- a civilian airliner. if it is subsequently established that the plane was indeed shot down, we demand that those responsible for downing the plane must be held to account and be swiftly brought to justice. we believe that the present revolution -- resolution paves the way for such efforts and, as such, we have given our strong support by cosponsoring the resolution 21-66. we now look forward to its full implementation by all concerned parties.

i thank you, mr. president. ofi thank the representative malaysia for his statement. i give now the floor to the representative of it -- of indonesia. >> thank you, mr. president. the tragedy of malaysia airlines flight mh 17 has left us all shocked and in deep sadness. all of us are in morning. urning, but the grief is even more so for the family and friends who are dealing with the loss of their loved ones. as the struggle to understand the loss of so many innocent crash goese mh-17 victims'ially for the families, witnessing the current situation is especially painful. we share their pain and their sorrow. mr. president, since the incident, we have seen various initiatives and efforts from many countries to investigate

the incident and we very much welcome them. indonesia wishes to emphasize that even when it comes to humanitarian tragedies, all parties must cooperate and in this regard, they should collaborate and assist the people and governments of the victims' countries of origin. we therefore welcome the adoption of this resolution on this particular issue you, to which -- issue, to which indonesia is one of the cosponsors. in this regard, we also commend australia for taking the initiative. pleasedgation is that the council, through the resolution, demands a full and unrestricted access to the site and surrounding area for the appropriate parties, as well as supports full, true, and

independent international investigation into the incident. it is also important for indonesia and the rest of us that the evacuation of the victims bodies -- victims' bodies is treated in a dignified, respectful, and professional manner and that this process begins immediately. we also underline that the victims' bodies must be returned home without any further delay. indonesiaent, reiterates its strong support and assistance to the process of the investigation, including by joining the mission to help identify the victims of mh-17. as the tragic and wants and loss of life is felt around the world life isanton loss of felt around the world, we also

demand those responsible be held accountable for their heinous crime. we are aware that this process will not bring back the daught er, son, mother, father, sister, friends of the families who are struggling to cope with their immeasurable must be servedce and we need all concerned countries and entities to fully play their role to ensure that it happens along with the other needs as stated in the resolution. i thank you, mr. president. the representative of indonesia. i give now the floor to the representative of the ukraine. president, distinguished members of the security council, thank you for convening this meeting. under-secretary --

minister ofd foreign affairs' a, of luxembourg, and kingdom of ofherlands -- affairs australia, of luxembourg, and kingdom of netherlands. i would like to extend our deepest condolences to the families of those killed. ukraine is approaching the embassies in order to lay down flowers and express their sorrow. mr. president, we would like to thank the delegation of australia for proposing a draft resolution on the investigation of the downing of civilian aircraft, international malaysia airlines flight mh-17 in the donetsk region of ukraine, which is sponsored by the delegation of ukraine. we believe this resolution will help facilitate a full, thorough, and independent intonational investigation the incident in accordance with international civil aviation

guidelines. president, having demonstrated maximum openness possible am a ukraine admitted after the crash, the same day, invited representatives of all countries who lost their nationals in this -- this tragedy to participate in this investigation, as well as representatives of the russian federation. some of them have already arrived to ukraine and started their work. orderedt poroshenko that all military activities be immediately ceased in the 40 kilometer zone surrounding the crash site to allow for security and safety of the international investigation. we therefore call on the russian federation to use all its influence on the pro-russian armed groups operating illegally in.net region in order to stop secureonetsk region to the crash site. we assume the investigation

should not only be allowed to establish the technical cause for the crash but also the other circumstances. namely, who actually fired the missile? these weapons got into the hands of a legal, armed groups -- where did the weapons come from? mr. president, in accordance with the chicago convention as it was stated in -- in the report of the french delegation, ukraine has a right to have the investigation procedure. it has a right to share this leadership. the prime minister of ukraine, arseniy yatsenyuk, stated that ukraine is ready to transfer the role of court made it -- of coordinator to the kingdom of netherlands at their request. the minister stated today in his address.

yatsenyuk,inister, eaid in his remarks, as the sid that suffered most, the netherlands may leave the investigation in" nation and cooperation with other parties -- in close coordination and cooperation with other parties. mr. president, we strongly condemn the acts committed by illegal armed groups controlling the crash site. according to reports of local some victims were brought under cover of previously stolen [indiscernible] they were boasting over their trophies. children's bags, suitcases, and foreign cash that they managed

to collect and steal from the crash site. this demonstrates the in human nature of those who call themselves people's republic. inhumane nature of those who call themselves people's republic. the armed groups have impeded the safe and secure access to the crash site for the appropriate investigating authorities. it is a demonstration they are trying to hide some evidence from the eyes of the international community. mr. president, let me quote the president of ukraine, "having shut down the aircraft -- shot down the aircraft, they committed three crimes -- firing a missile at a civilian aircraft, offensive mistreatment of the dead bodies, particularly their removal, as well as mishandling of the evidence and hindering the work of not only of ukrainian commission of inquiry, but also the international experts."

luhao-called donetsk and nsk people's republic must be recognized as terrorist organizations. president, continuing illegal terrorist military activity has been possible only due to the russian federation's direct and indirect support come a despite calls by ukraine and the international community to stop. although moscow has been constantly and tirelessly insisting that it was not involved in the situation in the region, the irrefutable facts clearly indicate the opposite. russian citizens are among the leadership of the terrorist groups. heavy armaments continues to be supplied from the russian side of the state order. just yesterday, at column of heavy armored battle vehicles attempted to break into ukraine through the border from the russian territory at a border checkpoint.

russians are financing the terrorists. numerous [indiscernible] is declaring does not comply with their actions. ukraine demands that the russian side immediately cease provocations on the borders of ukraine, stop hindering efforts of the ukrainian side and international community to put an end to terrorists and other violence in.net -- in donestk luhansk, and and stop threatening peace and security in our country, our region, and the world as a whole. >> i thank the representative of ukraine for his statement. i give now the floor to the -- of belgium.of >> thank you for giving me the floor and allowing me to explain the position of the belgian

government in relation to the resolution that we have cosponsored. last friday in front of this council, belgium already supported the australian proposal for a secretary council resolution. we are very grateful to textalia for preparing the that has been adopted today and would like to thank all countries that have expressed support for it. mr. president, belgium has termsned in the strongest the downing of malaysian airlines flight mh-17. belgium repeats its call of last friday for immediate muffle, thorough, and independent international -- immediate full, thorough, independent, international investigation. politicalme recent developments, belgium remains very concerned about the continued lack of full access to the crash site. belgium is deeply disturbed

about the reports of representatives of armed groups meddling with wreckage, equipment, debris, personal belongings, or remains. our first priority met -- must be the identification and .epatriation of the bodies we demand that it is done in a dignified, respectful, and professional manner. belgium stands ready to support all efforts in these regards. parties,n all especially those in the region, to use their influence on the actors on the ground to allow for immediate access and the start of the international investigation. the adoption of this resolution -- ld we call for national and regional cooperation and command them for themmend

constructive role they have played so far. mr. president, today is belgium national day. but our nation is still in mourning for the six belgians who lost their lives in this terrible incident and for all the victims, wherever they called home. with special thoughts and sympathy to the families in france -- family and friends of the 193 victims of the netherlands, a country that is particularly close and dear to us. i thank you. >> i thank the representative of belgium for his statement. i now give the floor to the representative of new zealand. >> thank you, mr. president. new zealand welcomes the unanimous adoption of this resolution by the council. we were pleased to have been a cosponsor and we compliment australia on the leadership it has shown on this issue. it was imperative, mr. president

, that this council sent a strong and united message that the international investigation into the downing of flight mh-17 must proceed without delay. that the integrity of the crash site be preserved, and that respect and dignity be accorded those who have died. this is, as minister bishop has said, a decisive step. new zealand strongly supports the resolution's call for an independent investigation led by ukraine and in court nation with other international experts, not least the netherlands in the role that was outlined a short time ago by minister timmermans. we now appear, mr. president to , to be in a situation where some of that cooperation is now to hand. we must wait to see the extent to which it eventuates. mr. president, there is increasing evidence that the crash of flight mh-17 was not an

accident, that this was a criminal act punishable at national and international law, and those responsible must be brought to account. we specifically call on all countries involved to act in accordance with their international, legal obligations. mr. president, that means that the crash stie is a crime -- the crash site is a crime scene, but reports indicate that access has been denied by local separatists , that they have removed evidence, including the black boxes which are so critical to air accident investigations. now it appears to be handed over, but they should never have been touched by unauthorized personnel. even worse, removing the bodies of victims. we call on those people to cooperate with international authorities immediately and unreservedly, particularly to allow a full and safe and

unfettered corridor of access to the site. we also call on russia to use its influence with those groups to ensure that progress is made and that it is made immediately. the integrity of the crash site must be preserved. bodies must be accorded proper , as must personal effects, including passports. those who loot bodies, who play with the toys that have fallen from the hands of children, are, mr. president, many contempt. mr. president -- are, mr. president, beneath contempt. mr. president, the bodies of the victims are not being treated with dignity. it is utterly unacceptable.

reports that bodies are being removed to amsterdam are welcome, but that is the dignified treatment they merited days ago, not just now. , this resolution demonstrates the international community's resolve that things need to move and they need to move now and that the relevant authorities must be allowed to go about their appointed tasks unfettered and without any interference. this security council must play -- pay close and continuing attention to the crisis and it must ensure that progress is swiftly made, that human dignity is respected, and that the perpetrators of this violent criminal act are brought to justice. >> i thank the representative of new zealand for his statement. i give now the floor to the representative of the philippines. >> thank you, mr. president, for giving me the floor.

in the fate of malaysian airlines flight mh-17, the philippines lost a mother and her two children. the philippines expresses once again its most sincere condolences to the families who lost their loved ones and to the governments of the victims, australia, belgium, canada, germany, indonesia, malaysia, the netherlands, new zealand, the united kingdom, the united states, and vietnam. my delegation reiterates its condemnation of this incident in the strongest possible terms. philippinest, the unequivocally supports calls for a full, thorough, and independent international havetigation, calls that already been made by the security council and the united nations secretary-general ban ki-moon. the investigation should shed and definitive

information into the circumstances surrounding this regrettable incident so that the perpetrators of this most offensive of acts will be held fully accountable. the philippines is concerned that the integrity of the crash site has been compromised, and in this regard urgently calls on parties in power to secure the site of the crash and to grant immediate and unfettered access to the crash site so that the investigation can commence without further delay. forpresident, there is need their innings of the victims to be fully recovered, accounted for -- for the remains of the victims to be fully recovered, accounted for, and given proper burial. we need to bring our loved ones home. we owe it to their memories and to their families.

mr. president, the perpetrators need to be identified and held fully accountable for this most revolting of acts. we must be united to ensure that all necessary actions are undertaken so that justice is finally served. this representation is most grateful for minister julie bishop of australia, for its in a draft resolution , which commanded a unanimous action by this council. the resolution is an important action oriented step towards .chieving our common goal the philippines fully supports this resolution. we have cosponsored this resolution. indeed, we will support all efforts to secure justice for all and to honor the memory of in 298 irreplaceable lives

the downing of malaysian airline flight 17. we really hope that this resolution will find its fullest implementation. this unspeakable tragedy demands complete closure. thank you, mr. president. >> i thank the representative of the philippines for his statement. i give now the floor to the representative of germany. you have the floor, sir. >> thank you, mr. president. let me first of all express my can -- my sincere condolences and heartfelt sympathies to foreign minister timmermans and the people of netherlands, to foreign minister bishop, the people of australia, as well as to all those who had nationals, relatives, family, and friends on flight mh-17. 298 lives have been tragically lost. we are mourning the lives of four of our citizens. we are profoundly grateful for

the condolences offered by so many delegations over the course of the past many days. mr. president, germany in shock over increasing evidence that the airliner was indeed shot down. this would mean -- be an outrageous crime. what is happening currently at the crash site is on acceptable and shameful. the world is horrified to witness the of bono's -- the abominable circumstances prevailing there. we welcome the adoption of resolution 21-66 and we call on all actors to ensure that unhindered access and security forces are guaranteed that there are no further in -- impediments to the recovery of the bodies of any furtherthat tampering with any possible evidence is ruled out, that an international investigation is instituted as soon as possible, leading to a full and thorough examination. we welcome the effort undertaken by the government of ukraine to this effect so far. we also applaud president

poroshenko's announcement of a unilateral cease-fire around the crash site, a step that must be reciprocated immediately by the separatists. mr. president, the downing of mh-17 has added a global dimension to the conflict in ukraine. it rendered the peaceful negotiating -- negotiation of an end to the crisis more urgent. the conflict must be brought to an end. we urgently need a bilateral cease-fire and the beginning of real negotiations. germany has constantly worked to further such a peaceful solution, as demonstrated by talks and meetings between chancellor merkel, foreign minister steinmeyer, and other senior leaders. unfortunately, the russian leadership has so far failed to discourage separatist from the illegal acts and to stop the infiltration of weapons, fighters, and any nation. we expect russia to finally bring its influence to bear on russiansts, to prevent citizens from joining them, and to take all measures necessary

to insure control of the russian-ukrainian border. we expect russia to fully support the investigation concerning the cause of the crash, particularly through exerting the necessary pressure on separatists immediately to stop destroying evidence and give full and unfettered access to ukrainian and international investigators. thank you, mr. president. >> i thank the representative of germany for his statement. i give now the floor to the representative of canada. you: very much, mr. president. canada mourns the terrible loss aboard mh-17hose and wholeheartedly joins the cosponsors of this u.n. security council resolution, which strongly condemns the atrocity. we urge an immediate comprehensive, credible, and unimpeded international investigation into the event, in accordance with the guidelines set up by the u.n.'s international civil organization. time is of the essence and it is

vital that the pro-russian groups currently in control of the crash site in pete need of investigative teams -- site e neither the work of investigative teams nor the efforts to repatriate the remains. [speaking french] [inaudible] however, declarations are not enough. russia and the pro-russian militants must match words with deeds and cooperate fully with the investigation. the conflict in eastern ukraine is both generated by and perpetrated by the putin regime. idence of russian financial and material support to illegal armed groups in eastern ukraine is both clear and compelling, and president putin's continued support for the this constitutes a threat to international peace and security. president putin has the ability to end this war

he can do so by ending his support to progression forces, end -- his support to progression forces, ending the true buildup on the ukrainian border, withdrawing his troops on thetroop buildup ukrainian border, withdrawing his troops, and using his ceasefire.for a the need for justice and respect for the victims and their friends and family members should unite all of us. candidate, -- canada, as a nation, and as host nation of the icao, stands ready to assist. to have justice, there must be truth. i thank you, mr. president. >> i thank the representative of canada for his statement. i give the floor now to the representative of vietnam. >> i thank you very much, mr. president. i wish to acknowledge the participation of the

distinguished foreign ministers of australia, luxembourg, and the netherlands. now i'd like to make a statement in my national capacity, which reflects the viewpoint of the asean, ministers of stated on july 19, 2014. members strongly condemned the downing of malaysian airlines flight mh-17 in eastern ukraine on the 17th of july, 2014. we express shock at the tragic ofths of the 298 people multiple nationalities on board the airplane. overt mh-17 was flying non-restricted airspace and following a flight path which had been declared safe by international civil aviation

organization, icao. that isflight route utilized by many international airlines flying to asia-europe route. underline that it is imperative that we find out precisely what happened to flight mh-17. we call for a full, independent, and transparent investigation into the catastrophe. we emphasize that the investigations must not be hindered. asean member states nearby convey our profound sorrow and condolences to the families and loved ones of those on board flight mh-17. i thank you very much for your kind attention. >> i thank the representative of vietnam for his statement. the security council has thus concluded that present stage of constitution of the items on

the agenda. the meeting is adjourned. [gavel] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> the u.n. security council voted to adopt a resolution demanding full access to the flight 17 crash site in ukraine and condemning the downing of the plane. the resolution won unanimous approval from the 15 member council, which includes russia. more now on the situation in ukraine, with comments from british prime minister david cameron. statement, the prime minister. >> hear, hear. >> thank you, mr. speaker. mr. speaker, this is the first time the house has met since the tragic loss of malaysian airlines flight mh-17 last thursday, and i think it is right to make a statement about this and the ongoing crisis in israel and gaza. wasspeaker, flight mh-17 traveling from amsterdam to kuala lumpur when it was shot

down by a surface-to-air missile over eastern ukraine. all 298 people on board were killed. this includes 10 of our own children as many as 80 , and victims from nine other countries, including 193 dutch citizens. it also includes members of an australian family who have lost relatives on malaysian airlines .light 370 earlier this year from adelaide to amsterdam, from kuala lumpur to newcastle, we are seeing heart-wrenching scenes of grief as communities come together to remember their loved ones. i'm sure the whole house will join me in sending our deepest condolences to the friends and families of everyone affected. mr. speaker, alongside sympathy for the victims, there is also anger. there is anger that this could happen at all. there is anger that the murder of innocent men, women, and children has been compounded by

sickening reports of looting of victims' possessions and interference with the evidence. there is rightly anger that a conflict that could have been curtailed by moscow has instead been fomented by moscow. mr. speaker, this has to change now. in the last few days, i've president hollande, chancellor merkel, and the prime minister of the netherlands, poland, australia, and we all agree on what must happen. those with influence on the separatists must ensure that they allow the bodies of the victims to be repack traded and provide uninhibited access to the crash site to enable -- be repatriated and provide uninhibited access to the crash site to enable and in -- an international investigation into what happened. second, president putin must halt supplies and training for the separatists. third, we must establish proper long-term relationships between ukraine and russia, ukraine and the european union, and above all between russia and the european union, nato, and the

wider west. let me take each of these points in turn. mr. speaker, the first priority remains in sharing proper access to the crash site to repatriate the bodies and investigate what happened. the u.k. has sent accident investigators and the police led victim identification team to help with the international effort. the ukrainian ministry of emergency situations has searched an area of 32-square kilometers around the crash site and recovered 272 bodies. the work has been made more difficult by the presence of armed separatists. the bodies sitting on a refrigerated train have still not been allowed to leave. the pictures of victims' personal belongings being gone through our a further sickening violation of this already tragic scene. it is welcome that international experts have been able to visit the site, but this should not have taken four days and, even now, they are still not getting the unimpeded access that they need. i spoke to president putin last night and made it clear there could be no more bluster or

obfuscation. we expect him to help right now by using his influence with the pro-russian separatists to secure full access to international investigators and to support the repatriation of the bodies by handing them over to the appropriate authorities and ensuring they are treated with dignity. mr. speaker, families want information and answers and we must make sure that they get them. the u.k. and australia have tabled a joint resolution at the united nations security council demanding proper access in support of a credible, international investigation. we expect this resolution to be voted on this evening. second, i also made clear to president putin that we expect russia to end its support for the separatists and their items to further destabilize ukraine. -- and their attempts to further destabilize ukraine. no one is saying president putin intended mh-17 to be shot down. it is unlikely even the separatists wanted this to happen. what we should be absolutely clear about what caused this terrible tragedy to happen. the context for this tragedy is

russia's attempts to destabilize a sovereign state, violate its territorial integrity, and arm and train thuggish militias. over the past month, there's been increasing amount of heavy weaponry crossing the border from russia to separatist fighters in ukraine. and there is evidence that russia has been providing training to separatist fighters at a facility in southwest russia, including training on air defense systems. seconds before flight mh-17 dropped out of contact, a surface-to-air missile launch was detected from a separatist controlled area in southeast uecker ukraine -- in southeastern ukraine. according to experts, an sa11 is the most likely missile type. in an intercepted conversation, a known separatist leader was overheard claiming that their faction had down the aircraft. another separatist leader claimed to have shot down an aircraft at about the same time. while video showed an sa-11 missile system missing at least one missile system

traveling back to russia. those who argue that ukrainians could be responsible need to explain. there is no evidence ukrainian forces have fired a single surface-to-air missile during the conflict and no ukrainian air defense systems appear to have been within range of the crash. by contrast, pro-russian separatist fighters have downed more than a dozen ukrainian aircraft over the past few months, including two transport aircraft. support for the separatists.

if he does not change the approach to ukraine in this way, europe and the west must fundamentally change our approach to russia. we should not shrink from standing up to the principles that govern conduct between independent nations in europe and which ultimately keep the peace on our continent. it is time to make our power, influence, and resources felt. i agree that we should push our partners in the european union to consider a new range of hard-hitting economic sanctions against russia. tomorrowthe first step and if russia does not change course, we must be clear that europe must keep increasing the pressure. russia can't expect to enjoy

access to european markets, capital, knowledge, and technical expertise while she feels conflict in one of europe's neighbors. they must do what is necessary to stand up to russia and finance of the conflict in ukraine for more innocent lives are lost. let me turn to the ongoing crisis in israel. the crisis was triggered by hamas, indiscriminately targeting civilians. havee last fortnight, they fired 1850 rockets is israeli cities. to thisrage continues moment with thomas rejecting all proposals for a cease-fire including those put forward by the egyptian government. israel has the right to defend itself. must ask howzing they expect their own government to react if hundreds of rockets were raining down on british cities today.

the grave concern of many about the heavy toll of civilian casualties. the figures are very disturbing. 500 are reported in gaza. estimate 83,000 people have been just laced so far. israel has also faced loss of life including 13 soldiers yesterday alone. i spoke to the prime minister again about the crisis last night and repeated a recognition of israel's right to take proportionate action to defendant health and the condemnation of the refusal to end rocket attacks despite international efforts to broker a cease-fire. but i urged them to do everything to exercise restraint and find ways to bring this situation to an end. prime minister netanyahu made clear that israel wanted to except each of these proposals and unilaterally attempt an

immediate cease-fire. the foreign secretary wilkins's report for a cease-fire and underline our wish to see the palestinian authority back in gaza. they issued a call for an immediate cease-fire last night. they expressed serious concern about rising casualties and called for respect for international humanitarian law. we strongly endorse that call. it is vital they recognize the need to enter serious negotiations to end this crisis and we urge them to engage in the cease-fire proposals put forth by the egyptian government. only then can space the created to address the underlying issues of building a lasting and secure peace that we all want to see. >> i think the prime minister for his statement.

the shooting down of inmate 17 over the skies of the ukraine is a tragedy that shocked the world. can i join the prime minister in expressing a heartfelt sympathy to the relatives of those that lost their lives. all of us have been outraged by the images of the site, the site left open for anyone to trample over. the bodies have been hammered with what looks like casual indifference. we have all been horrified of what it must've been like for the families of the deceased to see this. grief andnly face loss but multiple practical issues. will we identify a senior minister to court support for them? this was performed by the honorable member after 9/11, 7-7, and the tsunami.

will he ensure his government does everything he can to enable international community to secure the site, repatriate the bodies, and together evidence that shows who is rich ensemble? does he agree that as soon as the investigation is complete, there should be an emergency meeting of european heads of government to consider what further steps should be taken? it appears that international regulators impose no restrictions on this part of the eastern ukraine. in light of the attack, can you say whether there is specific travel advice now to british but isn't planning to go abroad? the evidence is growing that this is not simply a tragedy but a terrible crime. surely this is a moment of reckoning for europe. for them to step

up to the responsibilities and confront the russian actions. i welcome the prime minister's commitment to seek a toughening of eu sanctions against russia at tomorrow's eu council meeting. can you tell us what measures he wants to see considered? will he support decisive steps to extend sanctions not just against specific individuals but also sanctions against commercial organizations to dissuade president pridgen from the supply of arms and the support of separatist he is now providing across the russian border. unfolding,the horror it is intolerable to see the harrowing images of hospitals, mortuaries overflowing, and parents devastated as a cradle their dying children. yesterday, the world's good

witness to the world's most bloodstained day since the start of this conflict. 20 israelis have been killed, 18 soldiers, over 500 palestinians including countless children. innocent young children, their short lives ended in the most brutal and horrific serpent dances -- circumstances. we must acknowledge the scale of suffering in gaza because the life of a palestinian child is worth every bit as much of the life of an israeli child and and every death of a palestinian child will you will the hatred, embolden israel's and in -- enemies and recruit supporters terrorist groups. we stand up for israel's right to defend it., but this escalation will not bring lasting security. ki-moonagree with ban

that we must continue to press for an immediate cease-fire, an immediate and for the military operation in gaza? that alle rocket fire sides must respect international humanitarian law and that israel must exercise maximum restraint? suggestseport that israel is using flusher shells shells?eschette and addressing the root causes of the conflict, and that there must be an immediate return to the negotiating table. palestinians need to feel a sense of security. see --raelis need to

>> let me think the lady for her response and i think she is absolutely right to say that this is a deeply human tragedy. that is how we should see it first and foremost. the thought should be with the victims and the families, they need to get the bodies out of that site and have the site properly dealt with. she asked a number of specific questions and made some specific points. by the is being led honorable member in the foreign office, he is dealing with that. want to discuss very directly with the victims families in time how best to take care of all the needs and concerns.

she raised the question of if they needed to be a of counsel emergency meeting. do isk what we should tasked our foreign ministers meeting on tuesday night as set out the tough measures necessary to show that europe is heading on a different path. she asked about the advice to u.k. citizens about travel. the euro controls the organization that sets the grandmothers for where airplanes can and cannot liv fly. that information is regularly updated on the foreign office's website. she is right to say this is a moment of reckoning for europe and i very hope the european council will not be found wanting. she asked what other steps can be taken. she has the tier two sanctions, some of which have been put in place.

naming individuals, asset freezes and travel bans. i suggested that the should be broadened to include the cronies and oligarchs around president clinton and other leaders even if there isn't a direct link between them and crimea and the ukraine. think it is enough to go to tier three sanctions that would discuss future military sales. we have already stopped those from britain and there are a number of other suggestions that were made about airlines and banks that have not yet been acted on. there are a whole set of things. on gaza, we can't look at this in terms of a ledger of casualties but this is a deeply human tragedy and anyone seeing those pictures in gaza or pictures of the children are snuffed out.

you can't help but be incredibly moved by that. it is heartbreaking what happened in gaza. we need to be clear about how this can quickly be brought to an end, for her moss to stop the rocket attacks on israel. the other things that we need. the end of the israeli operation and the cease-fire would all be in place. i agree about the root causes of this. we need to make progress with the two state solution. that will not happen while olmos -- hamas is objecting israel to rocket attacks. >> president obama also commented on the situation in the rain and the palestinian con that. from the white house, this is just under 10 minutes.

>> good morning, everybody. i want to make a brief statement about the tragedy in the ukraine. want to know that secretary has departed for the middle east. as i said many times, israel has the right to defend itself against attacks from olmos and as a result, israel has already done significant damage to the terrorist infrastructure. i have also said that we have serious concerns about the rising number of palestinian and billion deaths in the loss of israeli lives. and that is why it now has to be our focus and the focus of the international community to bring about these fire that ends the fighting and can stop the death of innocence to billions both in gaza and in israel.

secretary kerry will meet with allies and partners. i have instructed him to push for an immediate the station of hostilities based on a return to the november 2012 cease-fire agreement between israel and hamas and gaza. the work will not be easy. there are enormous passions involved in this and it very difficult strategic issues but i have asked john to do everything he can to help facilitate cessation of hostilities. with respect to ukraine, it has now been four days since the malaysian airlines flight was shot down over territory controlled by russian backed separatist in the ukraine. over the last several days, our

hearts have been broken as we learn more about the extraordinary and beautiful lives that were lost here it , infantsn, children that were killed so suddenly. our thoughts and prayers continue to be with families around the world. opportunity to speak to a number of leaders around the world whose citizens were lost on this flight, and all of them that remain in a state of shock and in a state of outrage. our immediate focus is on recovering those that were lost. investigating exactly what happened and putting forward the facts. we have to make sure that the truth is out and accountability exists. international investigators are

on the ground and have been organized. other countries have sent teams. they are prepared and organized to conduct what should be the kind of protocol and scouring thatollecting of evidence should follow in the international incidents like this. what they need is immediate and full access to the crash site. need to be able to conduct a prompt and unimpeded as well as transparent investigation. and recovery personnel have to do the solemn and sacred work of recovering the remains of those that were lost. the ukrainian president has declared the demilitarized zone around the crash site. you have international teams already in place prepared to conduct the investigation and recover the remains of those that have been lost. the russian backed separatist

that controlled the area continued to block the investigation. they have repeatedly prevented investigators from gaining access to the wreckage. they fired their weapons into the air as investigators approached. which begs the question, what exactly are they trying to hide? separatist are removing bodies from the crash site. care that without the we would normally expect from a tragedy like this. this is an insult to those that lost loved ones. the kind of behavior that has no place in the community of nations. russia has extraordinary influence over these separatists. no one denies that. russia has urged them on and trained them. we know russia has armed them with ella terry at bit and

weapons including antiaircraft weapons. leaders aret russian citizens. given the direct influence over the separatist, russia and president putin in particular have direct responsibility to compel them to cooperate with the investigation. president clinton says that he so ports a full and fair investigation. i appreciate the words but they have to be supported by actions. the burden is on russia to insist that they stop tampering and grantvidence investigators and immediate, full, and unimpeded act test to the crash site. they are responsible for the safety of the investigators doing their work. will be working this issue at

the united nations today. more broadly, as i said issaghout this crisis, this directly to president putin as well as publicly, my preference continues to be finding a diplomatic resolution within the ukraine. i believe that can still happen. it is my preference today and will continue to be my preference. if russia continues to violate russia's sovereignty -- to ,iolate ukraine's sovereignty russia will only further isolated from the international unity and the cost for russia's behavior will only continue to increase. as time for president clinton and russia to visit away from this tragedy and get serious about trying to resolve

hostilities within ukraine in a respects the right of the ukrainian people to make their own decisions about their own lives. time is of the essence. friends and allies need to be able to recover those that were lost. that is the least that decency demands. families deserve to lay loved ones to rest the nikkei. the world reserve -- deserves to know exactly what happened. and the people of ukraine deserve to determine their own future. >> you can see all of the coverage of the airliner shot down over the ukraine on c-span tonight. starting at 8:00 eastern, the statement we just saw. the un security council meeting,

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from today's washington journal, a conversation on the republican field in the 2016 presidential race. >> washington journal continues. back we want to welcome andd drucker of "the washed -- "washington examiner." to talk about presidential politics and specifically republican presidential politics paired with talked a lot about where the democrats are. this is a gallop poll that said paul ryan, rick terry, mike huckabee, well-liked of long -- among republicans. is so early. every time i go home, whatever i do, it is, who will run? i tell them honestly it is .eally too early to tell i enjoy speculating and that is what we will do, but it is very

difficult to say who the top candidates will be. this began to heat up. let me share with you a portion of what they said. "in the face of the advancement of the islamic state --

guest: this is a very interesting debate because it is one the republican party is having internally all over the place. a more, should they have , a moreforeign-policy active in international foreign-policy in the tradition reagan second in that presidential race. or should they take a more liberal approach? interesting, regardless of her -- of what republicans debated, this is a settled issue. senator rand paul represents that because of the iraq and afghanistan wars. soot of americans were weary

you have this debate going on. aboutk they're fighting what they are flaming reagan was for. that was interesting listening to rand paul. his -- claims his foreign-policy views are in the reagan tradition. t's going to be up to the .oters to decide is the republican party ready for a more hands-off salvation wallace the? that will be one of and -- one of the interesting parts of the 2016 campaign. host: ronald reagan has been out of office for 25 years and still affects the party. need top -- republicans

stop talking about what reagan would do. happened with democrats 20 or 30 years ago, constantly trying to grab john f. kennedy's mantle and always looking or that next, inspirational, all-encompassing leader. you have to move past the past. foras been a problem republicans that they spend their primary campaign arguing over who is more like reagan. start arguing who can lead the party into the future and deal with what voters care about today, not 30 or 40 years ago. >> here is a response from senator rand paul. --

guest: what i find most interesting about those remarks is you will go on air and say, i want to read you something from a democratic presidential candidate and you read those remarks, everyone says that sounds a democrat. this shows you what rand paul is trying to do. he is a very potentially formidable and appealing candidate. he is shrewd and not like his father in that he understands he knows hisnd approach to foreign policy generally, his libertarianism, is not necessarily an easy sell. he works hard to couch it in a that appeals to voters. it is still a big question as to whether he could accomplish that.

host: you make the point he is trying to thread the needle to placate conservatives, some who want impeachment, and also they deal with an issue they want to ding the president. >> yes. banner understands forging ahead would be a political disaster and cost receipts. it would probably cost them any chance they have winning the senate majority. it is a loser. the government shutdown was likely a loser. to dohe speaker is trying is hold the people off on that point. there is something to understand for john boehner. he reallys rhetoric, believes in the house of representatives as an institution. believes in the separations of powers as a lifelong career and as itshe house

leader. he started preparing for this lawsuit in january, long before he mentioned it, because he wants to try to do something about the legislative branch's loss of power.- congress has been willingly giving away its power by not challenging the executive branch. wants to do a something about that. -- him, their chosen a fair very narrow subject matter that has to do with the affordable care act and the employer mandate for companies to purchase health care for their employers. for boehner, it is not so much that it will have a negative effect on the president's policies, but the court would rule in such a way that the legislative ranch would get its power back. republicans have a house in the senate, how would that set them up for 2014? guest: it could go well or that.

could end up looking more like a governing party because the house and senate , you get intone negotiations with the president because he no longer can rely on a democratic senate to squash any republican initiative coming out of congress. on the other hand, it potentially make the party look weak going into 2016. i ultimately believe 2016 will probably only be about the candidates running and they will define their parties for good or ill. governor chris christie, who spent his days in iowa, a third of republicans dislike him. earlier today, he traveled to and was asked by reporters whether he would run in 2016.

>> these kinds of questions are questions you guys are interested with. people get to know you and judge you. the pot -- the box people put you in are yes and no. all others are meaningless in that context. every election i've ever run in, i present myself as who i am. people make a judgment here and sometimes i have one and sometimes i have lost. for anythingo run else again in my life, i will come out and present myself very the gentleman asked me a direct question and i give him a direct answer. i do not not -- i do not know if he liked it or did not. i just tell him what i think. everyone else gets to decide. they do not go in and say, are you conservative or liberal or moderate enough. that is not what they say. they say, do i trust him and can i count on him to tell me the truth. is he someone who can be a competent steward of our

company's is future. that is the way people judge who they will vote for for president or governor or any other job. i will be happy to be judged the same way i have been judged in new jersey. bother --tions do not bother or matter to me at all. vote voters on likability. let me go back to the nbc news poll. a third of violence dislike him, i went republicans, where does that put him? in new hampshire. for christie, the issue is whether he can delay -- avoid death by 1000 cuts. the british issue, there have been state budget issues in new jersey, and if he is running for president, it will be a matter of his record as governor, but also his record as a leader,

which has always been his strongest component to any potential candidacy. he probably has as much if not more natural political skill than any republican presidential candidate. for him, coming from a blue state, it will be whether that quality of leadership can overcome some of the early problems he has had over the past six or seven months. and whether or not he can win iowa is not that relevant. the issue is when you are looking at iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, and maybe you .hrow in nevada how does he do in two out of three and not necessarily three out of three. host: yesterday, our focus on hillary clinton, governor martin o'malley, another -- other potential democrats running in 2016. we are turning our attention to the gop field and how it is

taking shape two years before the election. here with hisor, perspective. ben carson gets a grassroots boost for a run in 2016. a lot of buzz out there. people like him. i talk to people and they asked me about him. ist republicans need somebody who has done this before. they need a professional politician, who has gone through the political wars of running, big -- big campaigns, and get elected. they do not need someone who is getting his name on cable television. is accomplished physician, neurosurgeon, and can intellection run circles around a lot of able. when it comes to running for president, you need a professional, you do not need somebody who has come up i speaking as freely as he has. and without the experience put

together a national campaign, it does something to you and it is not as simple as just people liking you are just having particular positions. is about all of those things and knowing how to play the game of politics. than a reallyrent good athlete. you cannot just throw him on a football field and tell him to play quarterback if he has not been trained and knows how to play the ball. you can join us on facebook at facebook.com/c-span or send us a tweet. this is the comforter -- the cover story this week. if you google his name and go to youtube, his many gaffes, the oaks moment will pop up. can he make a second impression? guest: anybody can.

tend to be successful the second time around. reagan was. bob dole was successful the second time around. romney was successful at winning the nomination. anybody can do well the second time around. the issue for rick perry in some his is, what will be national appeal, coming from texas, given that the last republican president came from texas and there will still be political hangover about, here we go again. if he really wants to do, you learn from last time, do not do it on the fly. prepare early even if you announce announce later. he prepared late and announce led to loops. he is probably a lot better doing this than the loops moment

suggests if you look at the leadership in texas. it will be interesting to see, does he jump in early next year or really lay the cloud -- the groundwork laid this year knowing it has prep work. people talk about that all the time. chris christie lost weight, rick perry has glasses, whatever. and do you believe in, you present voters in the country with what they're looking for at the time there looking for it. , servingid drucker with c -- as senior correspondent. our look at the roadhouse in 2016, the republican field. donna, good morning. caller: good morning. i want to ask the question. everybody running for president should have background.

obama [indiscernible] the second time, two or three people at a time. i do not think it has anything to do -- with this. i respectfully disagree. if you look at people running races, it takes some level of political skill. especially in the modern media environment when you're running for president, you need to have been through the war before any need to have an understanding of the fundamentals of running a campaign. you can be an outsider, but you need to find your way in at a lower level than running for president. otherwise, you run into a lot of problems in your campaign and can cause your party problems because you say and do things that may seem normal in the real play well they do not presidentially, especially in

the age of twitter and facebook, where every extended quote becomes a one sentence crop gas, fair or not. we have seen this with experienced candidates. ago in newars hampshire, mitt romney gave a discussion with the chamber of commerce about an idea of being able to change health care providers if you want to them the freedom to beale to do that. beales, i would like to to fire people who provide services to make. in context of, i do not want to get stuck with a health-care company that is not doing a good job because her health is the most important thing. at a time when people are struggling economically, the whole discussion gets truncated into, i like to be able to fire people. there is a guy who is actually run for president before. this is the kind of thing that happens. we saw some of this with herman cain, had not run, he had run for senate once, but had never

been a major political figure, and he ended up with campaign problems. republicans, and you have not won a race for the in 2004, and you have issues on the battleground now, you want experience, political experience, at least. >> mitt romney insists he has no intention of running. that has not stopped speculation. part of that is the unsettled nature of the field, the republicans have not found somebody they can latch onto. it was supposed to be chris christie but then the bridge issue happened. maybe jeb bush will run, but they do not know. they're looking for somebody. the thing about romney, the andy needs to turn a page be forward thinking. romney probably has the skill to be president, if you take

political and policy decisions, he has the executive skill to execute the job but has not proven that he can be a good candidate. be betters would served going to somebody with more political and personal appeal. there is a lot of good about romney the person. he was neville -- never able to andg that out to the voters communicate that. he left himself open to being caricatured. the party would be much better served taking a chance on somebody else, rather than going for a third time. pointed to nixon. he took time off running for president. he did not just go 1, 2, 3. the republican party, in its effort to find new leadership at the top and somebody to help the party redefine itself and move it the future, would be better off as somebody who has not won a race and only one race for governor since i believe 2002.

our viewers saying rick perry is a caricature of an ignorant and bigoted redneck. ryan from new mexico, good morning. caller: good morning, thank you for taking my call. you for correcting that. he has a nice tie. i appreciate that. looks good on him. my comment is this. we have paul ryan, vice president candidate. do you give any credence to the fact that he was in the spotlight, -- guest: he is an interesting figure. probably the most influential congressional republican over the last half dozen years at least. almostgets have become an afterthought, that he has become the leader for the

republican party on fiscal issues. he got a taste of being a national figure and had a chance to observe wider influence over the party's direction and he liked it. i do not tend to think he will run for president in 2016, but i know he is considering doing so in a way he would not have e4. leading up to 2012, he said i will think about it but he was never going to do it, just because, i think, given his family life, he has young kids, he goes home to wisconsin every going to run for president was just not something he was real -- will and to do. influence tax policy, a dream job for him. even from a wider vantage point, i know that appeals to him a great deal. but i think he is probably to running thought

for president now than he did before in the sense that he got think whatit and i he can do with the job appeals to him and now he has the name and notoriety you get from being a vice president shall nominee. he does not have to look at it as though he has to start running to build the kind of profile that would be required from some house member from wisconsin to have a chance to win the nomination. he is a different sort of figure. possibilities are great for him. he is considering it in a way he did not couple of years ago. phone.rancis is on the good morning. i wish to input this idea into the thought paradigm of things. both parties are guilty as accused. the republicans are guilty as accused of being the party of

the rich. but the democrats are guilty as being the party of the republican employee unions. my viewpoint is we need to start thinking in terms of a universal income safety net for all citizens of the country. , monetizing the national debt, we are basically postponing an apocalypse. host: thank you for the call can let me take a final point. how big will the debt be in 2016? on howguest: it depends americans feel at that time. the debt became a huge issue as it fit into the economic crash. the debt was at levels people had never seen before. income has stagnated, property values were in the tank. it scared people the government looked unable to obtain everything going on.

without of options. it cannot matter how much they spent. he looked at the debt and what it means for the future, and the social -- social safety net, it was a bigger issue than i had ever seen. debt, historically, necessarily, was not a big issue, except for those who did not control the purse. if you are the party not in charge, you do not care about the debt. so let's see where the economy is in 2016, where the job market is, let's see what the debt looks like two years from now and now tell you how much of an issue it will be. nancy forst: minnesota, good morning. i am upset at the person, not that i would vote for kerry, but the comment he made that he was a redneck, bigoted whatever. let me ask that person and everyone else if they remember

who hillary clinton really is and bill clinton. they were rednecks. i remember all of that. moved intowhen they the white house today they thought hells angels moved in with all their relatives. but the fight begin. get someone in there with some morals,with higher someone who can run the country. host: who is that candidate? caller: let that candidate stand up here and we are ready and watching. host: thanks for the call. he makes reference to hillary clinton and a new survey, it is early, showing that she has a lead over the likely gop eels. you can get the information online. somebody we have not mentioned from this tweet, jeb bush. >> i do not think he will run. i could be wrong.

usually, when you want to run for president, it is something for and yoully plan do not have preconditions. the nowook back at former indiana governor, mitch daniels, he was thinking about it but he wanted a true space -- between fiscal and social conservatives in the republican party. jeb bush talked about wanting to be engaged in a civil campaign. i think he is as qualified as a republican out there to run for president. two terms as governor of florida and was well received. florida is one of the bigger more diverse populations. he brings a lot of policy heft and from a policy standpoint, to push into the future, even though his name echoes that of the past, with bush, you're dealing with family issues, whether or not his immediate

family, wife and two kids wanted to run for president, how it would affect them. i do not know bush himself wants to do it himself. i think he wants to be influential and i think he wants to push the policies he believes forward. i think he also has a bush hangover issue, as much as perry had the texas issue, for bush, it was the issue that his is still-- his brother not thought of as one of the better presidents we have had by the american public broadly. if bush wants to run, he will be formidable and he will wrap up just about every major republican donor you can think of and he will probably be very but does he party really want to run? does he have a ruthless desire

and ambition to be president of the united states today? i do not know. host: our guest is david drucker , a graduate of ucla and he began his career in california. he came to washington to work for roll call and now is senior correspondent. caller: i believe republicans should limit themselves on the candidates they have someone come i have to disagree in your opinion on that. i think if they got to make candidates flooding the market, that people do not see a president, it will hurt him. guest: i cannot really disagree

with him other than the jeb bush ,, the party can be broadly defined by who runs for president. it will be a wild field. there is nothing wrong with having a good half-dozen or a little bit more here you of broadlynt a field well received smart and professional candidates not known to say outrageous things, things that will rub voters the wrong way. the republican national committee, the national republican party put rules in place to type -- to try to bring order to the debate process so unlike the 2012 campaign, you do not have 20 presidential primary where anybody can get in and get 15 minutes of fame and drive the nomination process into late spring and early summer. there will be order brought into this thing. ae presidential campaign is

big guilt for the republican party right now because whole numbers are down both before -- both because of their own grassroots and a lot of rank-and-file voters look at how they believe the party has behaved and they had a much lower opinion of the party that made it in the 1990's and 1980's. it is important. winning solves everything but it is important in the sense that it is possible to put the party 's best foot forward and they might look at candidates and say, those guys and ladies are pretty good, i think that party might militant is doing. deal forbably a bigger republicans to do that than democrats. host: it will be earlier than previous cycles. this is a tweet from one of our viewers saying, paul ryan has a habit of dreaming up budgets that costs thousands of dollars. rep from louisiana is next on the republican line with david, good morning. i would like to say the

republican party should do a better job of talking to the people and not over the people. i cannot reiterate that strongly enough. i've been watching election cycle after election cycle. republicans ashes of the people know they are talking about and they do not. look at our media and where the media has gone. tediously citgo, nancy pelosi has a big meeting and she states the supreme court decided what to control a woman could have and cannot have. it is a lie. an outright lie. not one person in an entire room questioned her. a sad statetell you of our media. john had a show last night and it is survey that said almost socialismlege kids, or capitalism, the kids show --

shows socialism. host: thank you for the call. guest: i think republicans do, in a sense, have to look at the world as it is today and determine how the policies and principles apply and not just keep having the same argument, things that worked well in the 1980's and 1990's, but no longer have residents with voters. 1980's andn the 1990's are voting for the first time now and do not necessarily to aa direct line republicans are saying to any problems they are experiencing. the other thing they have to do, obviously in a primary campaign, you focus on your face and grassroots on winning the trust of your party. republicans have to remember the only way to win a national election is to appeal to voters inclined to vote for republicans but do not necessarily feel a strong arty affiliation. people who do not necessarily

vote for republicans were like republicans. they have to find a way to communicate principles in a way that appeals to people who do not think they are conservative, and that means avoiding words like "principles." phrases like the quote first principles." -- like "first principles." look, how will it help me raise my kids better. for republicans, that is something they have not been good at recently. they do notd to, anymore, but jan says, -- florida, good morning. caller: good morning. i am not hearing a lot about scott walker at all. i love what he did. you talked about having experience and going through the

ringer. you have got a republican governor who has done well turning the skate around and he has had a recall. semi-what he is doing and do you think he will run? run.: i do think he will i think attitude is 12 republican national convention, he gave a decent -- a decent speech that was well received. at a time people think washington is this dysfunctional, you would think that a republican governor should have a leg up in the race. scott walker is somebody who understands how to win a campaign and also understand that not every voter he needs support from is a republican. one race in wisconsin, where republicans do not tend to win.

well in 2010, but it was an anomaly. it is battle tested and he remains one of my car courses and i think he wants to run is planning to run, and he has to get through his reelection before he can set aside some precedents is. go to william from massachusetts. good morning. caller: i am a registered independent in massachusetts, but i usually vote republican. i want to ask his opinion on the republican nominee for 2016. selections with obama winning the last two, the republicans had mccain and of course had romney, which i am more familiar with as i'm from massachusetts. those men both of leading in september.