agency are right at the middle of the crisis at the border. be resting youll issues for the associated press. as we are taping, congress is an conference, considering legislation. as the tea leaves are being read, there will be a stalemate between the house and senate and the break begins. where does that put the president shrub border plans operationally if there is no money? >> certainly we have concerns about that. in border protection along we surged resources.

they comment on a temporary cost and we have to pay for all of that. we have been paying contract services for transportation, food, etc.. of the department of homeland security, immigration, customs enforcement, they certainly have cost, as have the departments of justice and health and human services. we very much need money to continue operating the way we are. >> this week, three presidents from central america are in town , visiting with president obama and discussing what the countries can do to alleviate the crisis on the border. one proposal floated by the white house was a processing center in honduras. do you think that would alleviate pressure on the border? >> it is really under the purview of the department of state. you know in the past, whether it was a rapper somewhere else, those kinds of things have been looked at. orwhether it was iraq

somewhere else, those kinds of things have been looked at. all of my concentration really has been on the border, getting these kids out from under the border patrol protection and getting them to someplace that actually is a bit more hospitable than a border patrol station. i think there is a lot of openness to what is point to stop this in the future. >> the numbers have flowed in in recent weeks. if the department does not get the supplemental budget request, the emergency budget request, what happens, what kicks into gear is -- kicks into gear? it we see a dramatic shift in letting folks roam about as they want? real technical implications? >> we know when we begin to run out of money, we need to do reprogramming. in the event the supplemental is not passed, we are going to have

to fill some very important positions. of course the issues are not just about the protection of the southwest border, but also our trade and our cargo. we have huge investments in technology to speed up people traveling lawfully into united states. technology transfers. cargo advancements. there is money in those programs , that we would have to re-program to keep the protection going on now at the southwest border. >> can you be more specific what the impact is going to be? narrower than is the supplemental, around $400 million. we are in the process of examining the programs where we would have to take money from m to pay the costs we have an card. >> $400 million will have to

come out of screening trucks and other vehicles? from aould have to come number of places, things congress has already approved that are valuable, not only to the nation for a protective, but the nation's economy. >> in terms of the child migration issue, texas governor perry says he will do play up to 1000 national guard troops. we have seen troops down there before in 2006 and 2007. back in 2010 under president obama. have they asked to work with you specifically? what are their limitations and aiding the situation? would be deployed specifically to support the department of public safety, in other words the texas state troopers. they would be deployed in a nonenforcement capacity, but they would serve in an observational post, etc.

we would have a team down there that the president sent from the department of defense and the department of homeland security. they just returned this week to jobs the there are any department of defense could do that would be helpful to the border patrol and our customs and border patrol officials down there. i have not seen the report. i assume that is a little ways away. >> the texas national guard are not permitted to arrest people by law. what could they do down there? >> they would serve in a way as observers for the department of public safety. as you know, governor perry has already sent a little over 100 state troopers down to that area to work on the roadways. , we have a good, actually excellent relationship with the

texas department of public safety, and friendly state and local law-enforcement across the border. we see them as value added, and we want to make sure we maintain good communications and a good relationship with those folks. >> if the border patrol is overwhelmed in texas with large familiesf children and coming over, why not ask the texas national guard to help with that? sicko actually, we are not overwhelmed. compared to what i saw the first week, right after i had been confirmed in march, things are much better. the numbers are down. it does not mean anyone should not be very concerned about the numbers that are still coming, but things are much better. the border patrol has a range of resources that were not available to them three or four months ago. fema is there, fema volunteers are there, coast guard, the public health service, etc.

contract transportation so the border patrol agents are not having to serve as bus drivers. those are the kinds of things already in place, already being used to relieve some of the pressure. to follow-up on that. the migration numbers traditionally go down in july and august on the border because of the high heat. what are you doing to prepare for the possibility those numbers will go back up in september and october? >> talking about the fact that traditionally this is what has occurred, and of really inhospitable climate that exists than the difficulty of the terrain, it is a very solid reason we think some of these numbers are down. we are glad we have a bit of this law all. opened ance, we have process center in the rio grande valley that will hold up to 1000 eople.

we have contracted for food service. we have contracted for other kinds of things that are needed. we are not under any naïve impression that this could not go back up. things are not going to miraculously change in those that are going to make it hospitable, safer, better economy, better educational opportunities. so, the draw to come to the united states, the safety, security, education, and economic reasons, is very strong. >> in the rise in childhood immigration, you have had families rise in numbers we have not seen in recent years. over 9000 families this time last year. we know there is not capacity or there has not been much beyond the pennsylvania facilities to families -- there

are 600 odd so beds in new mexico right now. the math suggests most of those people are not detained. what has caused that from what you guys have seen and what is happening to those people when you encounter them, and family of 3, 4, 5 kids? what is the process for you guys? the facte process is that we have been able to open up facilities at artesia, new mexico, the border patrol station, and also lofland air force base. we have been able to hand over customsthe immigration, enforcement individuals. and these new facilities like artesia can actually house family units. you're very correct. in the past, there were no more than 90 beds available for family units, and that was in

pennsylvania. people are being detained now rather than being released at a bus station. we are continuing -- the department and under the secretary for leadership -- we are continuing to look at other facilities. withorking relationship secretary sylvia burwell from health and human services is excellent. and also there is the work they're doing with attorney general eric holder and the increases being asked for immigration judges, etc. and with the volume of families coming in, do they require a different type of facility? how are you screening these individuals? obviously in recent weeks we have had one notable case, a gentleman from guatemala was released with his children, reunited with his girlfriend, who had been released with her children and months prior. he is arrested in texas, two days after she is found dead in

a louisiana apartments. what is the screening process before these individuals are released with a notice to appear, to go back to immigration and customs or so days?thin 15 >> having had a long career in lawns were spent, seeing people released and having to the people in seattle who were released fromople custody -- not immigration related, but custody -- these are terrible things. these are tragedies. to have a domestic violence homicide as a result of somebody being released is very difficult for everybody. but that being said, at the time that individual came in to the custody of the department of homeland security, with his children, they would be considered a family unit. family units at that time were filled. there was no indication from either the interviews or the

fingerprint check that was done as a father of two he would be dangerous to anyone else, and he was released. that being said, the horrific incident that occurred -- it is hard for everybody to take. >> we are halfway through. what is your satisfaction level with the cooperation with your counterparts in the mexican government? >> i have known the ambassador here to the united states for a long time. when i had my job as president , and's drug policy advisor he was the attorney general. i have a great deal of respect for him and the government of mexico. i think we have to do everything we can in our government to be supportive and be helpful and to recognize the sensitivity of the sovereign issues that continue

to army eight a lot of the discussions. the better mexico does on their border with guatemala, the better the cooperation on law shareement, the better we information and have trusted relationships, the better we will be in the united states. attitude one where we want to work together? >> the attitude is one. thatl be in mexico and will be my second trip as the commissioner in this role. we have to work together. there has been frustration expressed about the practice of shooting across the border at mexican citizens, situations where border control agents opened fire and ended up killing

mexican citizens. what if you done to review those cases? those are already being done internally a border patrol. are you changing practices? >> we are, and a host of ways. in the fbi has been unbelievably helpful to loan as an individual from their inspections division, a very high level individual, mark morgan, to head up the process. in the research report they identified 67 uses of deadly force. could be be or examined more closely. all of those cases are being examined by mark morgan and a group he has put together. if any of those cases up year where there was insufficient investigation or questions left

lingering, then those cases will be more carefully reviewed, and of course, most people recognize i am thegh commissioner of customs and border protection, i do not have all of the authority within the organization, because we also work with the office of inspector general and the office of professional responsibility and customs enforcement. that is an important distinction. when i was chief of police, i had the authority and i had the resources. we have to work in a more collaborative way. examined.s are being on the useew policy of force. we have additional training. we have changed our training in newres for new agents mexico, including installing a variety of the international

fences that exist, so they can practice in a secure environment what they will be facing on the border itself. results of make the the review of those 5, 6 5, 6, seven cases public? .here is a lot of frustration information -- will you make that information public? >> it is hard for people outside of the federal government to understand that we work through the department of justice, particularly the civil rights division. oftentimes we have our inspector involved inthers this. frankly, when a person is in uniform and uses deadly force the mother needs to be a level of transparency and accountability about what happened, and i stress that.

frankly, it is a little harder for the federal government to move that direction that it was when i was a police chief. >> i think most reporters who havecovered the border repeatedly asked for video. there is a ton of video available to you guys every day, obviously. and many of the incidents have been caught on video. is there a pledge you can make to begin to release those videos? these are course multiagency investigations, involving the fbi. the cases seem to stay open as assault on law-enforcement, aspect unknown, case remains open. is there something you can do to open that window a bit more? weat the time in the point can make information available, we should do everything we can to make as much of that investigation available to the public as we can, including video, etc..

the other point is, local jurisdictions, the local prosecutor, the local .nvestigative agency something happens in san diego. it is a very large organization. places, the investigation can be conducted by a department that has much fewer resources. >> border patrol agents have also been resized and frankly accused of a variety of offenses involving the children at these detention centers or processing centers -- allegations of not getting medical treatment raab early, food being scarce, conditions being crowded and so on. a few weeks ago, you said you are reviewing those allegations. you found them troubling, i believe is what you said. what have you found in the intervening weeks? >> i looked at 116 complaints that have been filed in the vast majority of those complaints were complaints that were

essentially environmental. the building is too cold, the food was not sufficient or .mproperly heated when i first went there in early march, i saw these order patrol agents making food in microwaves . we did not have contract food services. we had literally hundreds of people sleeping on floors. them doing was also, of course, bringing in their own kids clothing and doing everything they can to try and help in that situation. the majority of the complaints -- and they have been divided up to be reviewed by the civil rights section of the department of homeland security, the inspector general's office, and others, and our own internal affairs to take a look at those -- but the majority of those complaints are environmental in nature. about abuse, use of

force. those border patrol stations were certainly no place to house people for three and four and five days at a time. >> just five minutes left. >> the administration has said this caught them offguard. yes, the numbers have been rising but the spike in late spring to early summer was unprecedented, could not have been foreseen though. it would appear border patrol agents on the ground did see this. 37,000 unaccompanied children last year. 20,000, it is assumed, went to the health and human services and refugee programs. those numbers have been taking up since 2011, and it does not seem to be a trend that was easily missed just looking at the rise in numbers. du jour guys miss it? was there a miscommunication? how did we get to the situation of urgency in march, april, may?

what i saw, and i think the washington post story lay that out quite a bit, the historical issues and a number of people who commented in the story about how long this had gone on. there was no question the numbers increased, particularly last year. a huge amount of work and planning that was going on involving the department of and theirecurity colleagues at health and human services about what to do and how to do this. i think there was also great government that the of mexico would actually be doing more along that border with guatemala to prevent and to help some of this. all of that being said, i was confirmed on march 7. i was in the office 40 minutes after the vote, and i have been tong my best to look forward

how are we going to deal with the situation. we are glad that there is a lull right now, but there is no question we are concerned about after the weather cools and what should we be doing in the future to make sure we have enough attention space and enough resources to treat people -- not just humanely, but with compassion, until their cases can be resolved. that is where i have spent the majority of my time right now. >> any follow-up questions? >> do you see any indication mexico is taking steps on the southern part of the border? more next week. certainly in my meetings at will be scheduled -- but i have already listen to announcements. i have already heard information. and i have already seen numbers of people who have been repatriated, entered into mexico, and said that to

back toa -- sent guatemala, honduras. i guess being optimistic and hopeful is with our help desk probably not as much our help, but our support to the government of mexico, we will be doing a better job of preventing what is occurring now on our border. when you switch your counterparts, what will you be asking for? >> i have spent a lot of time on this issue. developing trust and relationships is particularly important. oftentimes relationships are a critical issue and i want to use to work withnships them and let them know we will

be absolutely as supportive as possible were there efforts. >> our focus has been on the southern border. as we close here, i want to ask you -- you reference this. we have members of congress declaring isis more dangerous than al qaeda. what you tell -- how to tell the american public we have the appropriate safety net at our borders, including ships and the like coming into our harbor, to protect us from those who would want to do our country harm? >> customs and border patrol is an agency of 60,000 some people. a huge amount of knowledge because of biometric information that they collect when people enter the united states lawfully, or if they are apprehended, that biometric information is available. that being said, it is also an incredibly large border throughout this country. so, one of the keys is the

information sharing that we have to do and must have with our counterparts, whether it is through interpol, whether it is through the canadian border security services, the government of mexico, the federal police. those are all critical. if you're going to take a number of people and focus on the borders, it has to be risk-based and intelligence based. that cooperation with our foreign partners is the key to our safety and security. >> to bring us up will circle, if money is not allocated, will it impinge these efforts? >> i am very concerned we will be pulling money away from other programs, other things that are vital to customs and border protection in our mission in order to support the contract services and the things we have been doing on the border. but i am also very hopeful that congress is going to see that. frankly, border security is such a partisan issue, and during my

confirmation, regardless of who was asking a question, i received a lot of support. they know these men and women are working hard and doing their best. >> thank you for your time this week. >> thank you. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] >> "newsmakers" is back. after our discussion with gil kerlikowske, the customs and border patrol commissioner -- how do you see this playing out, the disagreement over policy with the president. what are the next couple months going to look like, not just in washington, but at the border? >> they will be tense, to say the least. the president has asked for 2.7 billion dollars. his democratic leadership has proposed two $.7 billion. republicans have said that is too old much money.

they want a 2008 law on how children from countries outside the u.s. are treated. he does not seem interested in doing that. the administration has set a time are two, we will look at those things. there is not a lot of democratic support for. it will be a tense couple of months going into the midterms. you have a lot of factors at play and a lot of money on the table that homeland security says, if we don't have it, things are going to get dire. we have heard from the agency before that things would get dire if they did not get particular budget allocations or budget cuts remains in effect. those did not happen. completely different situation today. you have 57 thousand unaccompanied children, most of whom from central america. uf 5000 families. a completely -- you have 5000 families. a completely different situation. there is no indication the numbers will drop precipitously.

they have dropped so far. we will see what happens when the weather changes again. >> the commissioner says the able will be there and need to be dealt with, but money will have to come from else where. what is the impact of that, because they will be held to task for things slipping in other areas of border security? >> it will be interesting to see where homeland security decides to pull the money from. by law they can pull from immigration, they can pull money from ice. they can move from other types of screening programs. they can step down hours at the border, which could increase wait times at the border. there are a lot of things they could do. jeh johnson told congress members of congress would not like them. it will be interesting to see how that standoff plays out, if dhs begins to pull money from programs that are due to the

heart of members of congress to put pressure on them to act. >> can you talk about the politics of all of this? in your home state of california, this is a huge border issue, dealing with the reality of it, but at the same time, you have a majority hispanic population. what can you tell our audience about that? >> when it comes to hispanic voters, democrats will say in the long-term he republican party cannot win another presidential election without having the support of hispanic voters. democratic strategists have been saying, look, the republicans need to have a better image with those voters to make a difference. will see how that plays out. that is the backdrop of this backdropn prewitt -- of this discussion. president obama said there would be changes to the way he deports people, because the effort to pass immigration and congress had failed. then this crisis of children on

the border popped up and that has complicated and delayed's obamas -- delayed obama's plans. reference to a discussion of changing the status of these children to refugee status. what is the implication of that and what would it mean for immigration if that is enacted? it is done as proposed or discussed weekly by the white house yesterday, you would move the effort from the united states order to honduras, at least for kids in the country and allow them, if they were granted refugee status, to enter the united states lawfully and then a whole host of other immigration benefits would kick. what is unclear -- what happens to the honduras who are is hondurans who are already here?