-- christine gorman of scientific america focusing on the 40 year war on cancer. >> we will stay on iraq and get your action on whether inaction in syria caused the current

situation in iraq. democrats 202-585-3880. and independents and all others 202-585-3882. and you can also send us a tweet and if you would like at cspan@wj is our handle. and you can also send us an email to journal@cspan.org. and we also have a fourth line set aside this morning for iraq veterans. we want to hear from you as well 202-5858-3883. let me show you the front page of the "washington times." obama's inaction on syria led to the iraq crisis. here is what ben wolfgang reports. president obama is deepening the u.s. engagement in iraq where he resisted similar calls in syria to intervene. an action that analysts and former diplomats say may have sewn the seeds of the iraqi conflict. although former secretary of state hillary rodham clinton became the latest to slam the

white house's handling of iraq, she backed off of those statements yesterday. mrs. clinton, republicans, many foreign policy analysts, and other critics say mr. obama failed to contain in syria the islamist groups that morphed into the islamic state. and inadvertently helped the militants coopt the larger rebel movement against syrian president bashar al-assad. we talked about that yesterday here on the "washington journal" and mrs. clinton's interview with the atlantic jeffrey goldberg where she said this. the failure to help build up a credible fighting force of the people who were the originators of the protest against assad, islamists, secularists, and everything in the middle, the failure to do that, she said, left a big vacuum which the jihadists have now filled. do you think inaction in syria has led to the current crisis in iraq? president obama we have he sat

down on friday talked about this as well with tom friedman. we will show you his reaction to this criticism as well. but first, let's hear from marissa in montana, democratic caller. she is up first. mcdonal go ahead. inaction in syria lead to the iraq crisis in>> caller: thank you. thank you for c-span. c-span, you are awesome. i watch you every day and tell everybody about you. thank you for booktv. thank you, c-span. you are so important to the democracy of the united states of america. anyways, my comment is, that president obama doesn't stand a chance. it doesn't matter if he had gone in, it would have been wrong. if he didn't go in, it would have been wrong. he can't just do whatever he wants to do willy nilly. it is independent on the circumstances. and he consulted with the u.n., if everybody remembers correctly, and draw that line in the sand about the nuclear weapons, and he consulted again with the u.n. and they went in

and are destroying the nuclear weapons. president obama is trying to do d best he possibly can. c-span, thank you so much for having the head of peta on. that was wonderful. thank you for everything you do for the nation. thank you, c-span. >> all right, marissa. all right. want to hear from others as well. republicans, democrats, independents, and the fourth line for iraq veterans. do you think not going into syria, intervening in syria has let to the situation in iraq that we are seeing with the islamic state fighters taking over territory there and now president obama going in. just announced yesterday another 130 military advisors to go in to work on rescuing those kurdish people that are stuck on the mountain. and "wall street journal" reporting that the military weighing some sort of rescue mission operation as well. so republicans 202-585-3881.

democrats 202-585-3882. and independents 3882. and iraq war veterans 202-585-3 # 83. we are getting your thoughts on did inaction lead to the situation in the iraq crisis? the "financial times" editorial board are saying this about britain and what britain needs to do about the iraq crisis now. parliament must address the iraq crisis saying any reticence on mr. cameron's part might be traced back to last summer when he lost a parliamentary vote contemplating action in syria. it goes on to say the next paragraph down, though, however, cameron must put any personal wound aside and recognize that isis is an even greater menace than bashar al-assad, the syrian president. it is not a dictatorship with

ambitions that stop at is own national borders. it is a trans-national movement that ultimately wants to reach into the mediterranean and into turkey. it has also lured british jihadists to its cause. it is a subject that demands the immediate attention of the prime minister. if they decide against any further measure in taking on isis, that is a defensible decision. outright silence is not. the "financial times" saying that as part of the u.s.-led invasion of 2003, britain is complicit in iraq's disarray. we'll go to robber in the toledo, ohio, independent caller. robert, what do you think? did inaction in syria lead to the iraq crisis? >> caller: well, the inaction is that we don't prosecute the war criminals and their government. iraq was a war crime so serious, so was libya. and the list goes on and on. our government dispenses terror around the world, and we do nothing about it.

we need to prosecute our leaders. >> all right, robert. tim in tennessee, democratic caller. tim, what are your thoughts? >> caller: hello, ma'am. first off, i do want to quickly make a comment on what the gentleman from ohio staid. i agree with a lot of what he says actually. with the exception of the fact that i don't believe that all of our leaders are in on this. and i don't believe that it's necessarily america so much as a co-opt of america by a bunch of trans-national organizations and businesses who really make a lot of profit off of every aspect of war. and so we have been selling american people fear for a long time. and we're starting to wake up. i just wanted to let them know this is actually -- i'm sorry, and i am a little bit nervous here. >> that is all right. >> caller: they do track everything we do now day. it is something we need to have a lot of long conversations about. and i don't think that war is

ever going to help anything. and if we would have spent the past 2 point some trillion dollars we spent on war over the last 10, 15 years on free energy technology, we probably would be a lot better off and the world would be a lot safer. >> okay. >> thank you very much. >> all right, tim. gwenn in detroit, michigan, democratic caller. >> caller: hi. i just wanted to say that it is possible that not going into syria could have caused this to come about, but i saw on the news yesterday that president obama had made an announcement that he was willing to send troops into syria. but he wanted to get congress' approval. congress t republicans, could not get the vote to go into syria, so the president did not.

now all that has come about. it is a possibility it may or may not have caused it, but he did want to go into syria. but the republicans were too afraid to take a vote. and it failed. >> gwen, you say blame this on both sides then? >> caller: no, because the president wanted to go. he said that he would go before congress and get the right to go in there with troops. and congress did not do it. they held the vote but it did not hold. and it failed. they could not get enough people with all the splitting that's going on in congress. >> okay. all right. on that note, here is the "washington post" this morning with the headline tim cane, democrat from virginia, wants congressional authorization of iraq airstrikes, airstrikes that we are seeing now. and inside the piece, it says tim cain, democrat from virginia on tuesday, called on president

obama to seek congressional authorization for the ongoing operations in iraq especially if military engagement is expected to continue for several weeks or months. kaine welcomes the nomination of haider al-abadi to serve as iraq's prime minister and the humanitarian mission underway in the country, but it is now up to the administration to receive congressional authorization for the current air campaign against the islamic state. the piece goes on to say that kain seshgs a vocaled a voe -- -- kaine is a vocal advocate for overhauling the war authorization act for when to seek reaction. and last fall he teamed up with john mccain, a republican of arizona, to revive the law a move that earned global attention because it became as president obama was seeking congressional approval for military intervention in syria. later, kaine and other lawmakers heralded obama's decision to seek congressional authority even though he ultimately decided not to intervene in

syria. like we said, president obama sat down with tom friedman, the "new york times" columnist for 60 minutes and talked about all the different issues around the world, but here is what the president had to say about those who have criticized his decision on syria. >> with respect to syria, it's always been a fantasy this, idea that we could provide some light arms or even more sophisticated arms to what was essentially an opposition made up of former doctors, farmers, pharmacists, and so forth, and that they were going to be able to battle not only a well-armed state, but also a well-armed state backed by russia, backed by iran, battle hardened hezbollah, and that was never in the cards. >> president obama in his interview with tom friedman on friday. again, he sat down for 60 minutes, so if you want to watch the whole thing, they did videotape it. go to the "new york times"

website and watch it there. yesterday senator john mccain along with lindsey graham, who republicans, put this joint statement out saying -- it is far past time for president obama to develop a comprehensive strategy to combat the threat posed by isis. while the humanitarian aid efforts undertaken by the administration are an important first step, it should be accompanied by additional steps to degrade isis's capabilities including airstrikes in the positions against iraq and syria. and the immediate provision of military assistance to our partners who are fighting against isis. francis in california, independent caller. what do you think, francis? go ahead. >> caller: thank you very much for taking my call. i am an african. and when i look at the united states, i have invested everything that i have to come down to the united states because i love this country.

and i believe in the innovative aspect of america. but when i look at the political aspect, it undermines all of that. why is that? because american politicians are in the front of the world. the world in which they should fit. they react without actually having a clear understanding of what is happening on the other side of things. the united states took out saddam hussein, who was a bad guy, son of a bitch, he's got to get out of there, we took him out. what happened? that led to all of these crises and the killingses. saddam killed so many people and we took him out, and now there

are many people killing. and there are so much killed. we spending so much money. we risking the life of our precious troops. in libya, the same way, we took out gadhafi because he is a bad guy. and look at what we create there had. in ukraine, we took out whoever he was, and look at thes me we create there had. and when is this madness going to stop? >> okay, frances. paul, appleton, wisconsin. your thoughts, paul? >> caller: i couldn't have said it any better than the guy from california. i tell you what, if we had john mccain as president, we would probably have a million troops in the middle east. we probably would be spending a trillion dollars a month. and him and lindsey graham, i can't believe the things they say. i mean -- >> what part? >> caller: and --. >> what about what the former secretary of state had to say hillary clinton, calli ining it

failure? >> caller: she is just trying to run for president. i don't know. that whole area, like i said -- there's nothing we can do about it. the people are mad. it is crazy. >> okay. don in brooklyn, new york. >> caller: this is a shameful question that you are asking. and the reason why i am saying that is when are you going to ask or c-span going to ask if the iraqiser to syrians -- if the iraqis or syrians responsible for their own actions? and the iraqis wanted us out of iraq. we got out. and now everything that goes wrong, it's our responsibility. i think it is a ridiculous question. and as far as people like john mccain and lindsey graham, and they are -- until they are standing on the front line, i don't want to hear anything they

have to say. >> sounds good. what about the humanitarian effort? >> caller: that part we can help in whatever way we can. we're not responsible for everything that goes on in that region. >> you disagree because the "financial times" editorial says about britain specifically but perhaps could be applied to the united states that as part of the u.s.-led invasion of 2003, britain is complicit in iraq's disarray. >> caller: i am saying we can help in whatever way we can, but military action is not the only solution to these problems. i don't understand why if the president should want to send troops into syria, and the republicans and everyone else turned their heads and now you are asking if inaction -- and why isn't it an option by the congress to leave the crisis in the middle east? >> we didn't say it was just the president. in the action, did inaction -- and on your point, tom --

>> you showed hillary clinton and barack obama. and that is mainly who you are making reference to this morning. >> okay. and we also read from the piece in the "washington post" about tim kaine and trying to change the war powers act last fall when the president wanted to go into syria but congress did not approve action. he wanted congress to approve action. and here is from "washington times." the president declined to use military force against the assad regime everybody after it launched a chemical weapons attack against rebel-held forces and rebel-held civilian areas, something the white house had labelled a line in the sand. instead, they secured an agreement with mr. assad in which he would give up the chemical weapons stockpiles. the u.s. and international partners have provided humanitarian aid and some weapons to moderate rebel forces. but analysts say the islamic state has seized control of the rebel movement. the outcome could have been avoided, it goes on to say f the

u.s. had acted against mr. assad and made a stronger commitment to moderate rebel elements much sooner. critics and analysts say. carlos, west virginia, an iraq war veteran. what is your take this morning, carlos? >> caller: good morning, ma'am. thank you for taking my call. first of all, i want to appreciate the fact that all your callers are calling about the subject. and as a matter of fact, the idea that we did not respond to syria's crisis by military invasion, we are seeing what we're seeing today in iraq. and that is incorrect. actually, we have gotten ourselves involved in syria as we did in iraq in 2003. and in syria we have started supporting initially the caller s talked about non-lethal aid

and all that kind of stuff which ended up with body armor, equipment, satellite communications, secure communication and all that kind of stuff. we have already done that. the united states has did that and provided all that equipment. and groups like isis and isil is not just today. it did not come to power two months ago or almost six months ago. this is a t residue of actually leftover forces that we supported initially in syria. >> okay. >> caller: and part of the forces that came over there in pow e. and as an iraq veteran who has lost friends, brothers, over there, it hurts every single day of my existence to see iraq fall

so badly. this war is the war that i would love to go to fight. not the 2003 where the president of the united states and the administration lied to the american people and at that time. that was a lie. and the government lied to the world and to the american people that wore the uniform at the time. >> carlos, you say this is the war you would go to fight. what war? >> this war against isis. >> against isis. and this is the time where we need to act. we don't need to act just by a few aircraft and few air strikes to try to protect americans and men and women on the ground. what we can do is we do that all the time. if we wanted to protect them, we just pull them out. and to go to send another aircraft over there.

>> as we told you, hillary rodham clinton was critical of the iraq, iran, and israel. and yesterday through a spokesperson, she put out this statement. she was prouded to a vance america's interest and values in a fast changing world. she continues to share his deep commitment to a smart and principled foreign policy that uses all the tools at her disposal to achieve our goals. and joining us on the phone is shawn sullivan with the "washington post". you had a piece yesterday that hillary clinton called president obama about this. and what did she have to say. >> basically according to to spokesman is i was not trying to attack your foreign policy or

attack you personally. and when the interview came out, it was pretty surprising and it blew up quickly with a lot of media attention. and obviously anything that hillary clinton says and especially putting daylight between herself and president obama is going to get attention. and clinton and her team were caught offguard and she felt the need to smooth it over. and the reality is delineated the differences between what she believes about foreign policy and syria versus what the president believes. and it will be interesting as we move ahead in months forward with everybody who goes against

the president will have to deal with this. >> what was the reaction from the white house and do you know what the president said in the phone call? >> the biggest thing yesterday is from david axlerod who is a former obama aid and wasn't happy with what hillary clinton said. the intention between obama and clinton in a lot of ways is sort of ended, but they would both admit there is a lot of tension at the staff level. it wasn't surprising to see what axlerod said. and these guys, it wasn't that long ago they fought a really, bitter campaign against each ore. and there is a lot of sort of quiet animosity. when these things happen and clinton iupacs comments, it is not surprising to see former

aids say things like what david axlerod tweeted out. >> just to clarify, don't do stupid stuff means stuff like occupying iraq in the first place which was a tragically bad decision. so apparently mrs. clinton and president obama are both in martha's vineyard vacationing and going to supposeedly hug it out late sner >> that is what clinton spokesperson said in the statement yesterday. it should be an interesting day on martha's vineyard. he is on vacation, but he is trying to monitor overseas and get updates and information from the advisors. it will be interesting to see what comes of this with a photo op or some other thing to show that things are different. and so clinton and obama are

genuine friends, but the staffs are not. it will be interesting to see what happens. >> what about the poll tibs of this if she does run and she faces challengerses in the democrat primary. and hillary clinton has made the first major blunder of the 2016 campaign. she better hope joe biden and elizabeth warren weren't paying attention. >> if she gets a challenger to the left, and i don't think it should be a surprise given what we saw in 2008 that she is more hawkish and if she has the field to herself, and obviously not going to come up to that

challenger and this is an obvious way to go to that to the general election. and rand paul who has been espousing a more libertarian policy and very, very clearly of intervening overseas. and the potential for a clash between rand paul and hillary clinton. a lot has changed and the public is really, really skeptical of intervening abroad. and what they have to do is be findful of that to understand this is not a public that wants to go to war but is very, very skeptical. and with the foreign policy is similar to where the public is.

>> thanks for your time. >> thanks for having me. >> and on the last point, here is the washington times with the g.o.p. and with quotes from rand paul, marco rubio, as well as senator ted cruz saying they support the air strooibs but call for a broader -- support the airstrikes, but are calling for a broad er time. and josh in roland, missouri, independent caller, iraq war veteran. josh, good morning to you. >> caller: good morning. i just want to make a couple of points and the main problem is the first instance with what the

president said they didn't stand a chance against assad in the first place, but at the same time he did approve aid and other supplies to the free syrian army. and a lot of those are now used in iraq and you have aided the rise in the region. and the second area is when

malaki requested air sport. and that is is the tipping point and that was the time to take action. and when the allies are on a mountain top and the men have been slaughtered and are starving to death, it is almost too little, too late, but the opportunity to help was much earlier. >> all right. as we told you t u.s. is weigh ing a decision from direct fire and on tuesday the pentagon and

to develop options to present to the president had positioned british forces to help the struggling refugees to survive on the mountain range and would be limited in skoal if not duration and to offer more support if the iraqi government and the "new york times" reporting this morning that the military and iran backers and people in the own party have left nouri al-malaki saying he can no longer expect their support. in this piece is they reached

out to the new president and delivered the message that the military would not stand by mr. malaki. and inside the jump page of the "new york times" it goes on to say with so many forces, a raid against mr. malaki, and the discussion turned to what are the demands that he will be prosecuted and the physical safety will be safeguarded. and the discussions that may offer him the position of vice president, a ceremonial post to remain in palatial housing inside the fortified green zone. that is what would become

al-malaki as the grip on power is weakening. and this headline for support on tuesday against iraq, and that he must come to that and the democrat lead from the the possibility of that. >> and i am doing my observation, i listen religiously and have soefsh you request the resolve of the president and has been going on since the president has come to office. i am highly critical of c-span. i believe brian lamb should be removed from the head of the organization. you are partial to the

republican party. i am sick and tired of every single morning question the president's resolve. he was not doing this from the push administration and it was george bush and dick cheney that got us into the war and lied to the american people and got it into the war. and this is the end result of their -- >> anderson, thank you for watching every morning. i encourage you to go to the video library, c-span.org and watch during the bush administration and compare and contrast. an independent from connecticut who caucused with democrats but often sided with republicans on foreign policy issues writes a piece this morning in the "washington post" and a chance to stop the terrorists saying the president is doing the right thing and he says that it is more accurate, what the president is doing is more accurate to see it as a mission to prevent a reputation in

afghanistan. we have the chance there and this is the al qaeda used sanctuary in afghanistan and that to his credit is what the president has begun to do. we are getting your thoughts on did tin action in syria lead to the situation in iraq. in other news this morning, headlines today. "u.s.a. today" police tactics are the subject of a broad u.s. review by the justice department coming from the shooting in missouri of a teenager. the justice department is leading a broad review of police tactics including the kind of deadly force that prompted the times. and the "new york times" editorial board weighs in on what happened in missouri. the death of michael brown. and the f.b.i. may be able to

answer many questions surrounding the death of michael brown who was a few days from going off to college, but what is not in dispute is the sense of permanent grievance held by many residents in shared and segregated urban areas around the country. though nothing excuses violence and looting, it is clear they have not dispensed justice equally. the death of mr. brown is heartbreaking as president obama said tuesday, but it is also a reminder of a toxic racial legacy that still effects cities across america. the president putting out a statement yesterday calling the situation heart breaking. on russia, financial times with fierce of ukraine escalation. take a look at that picture. that is a convoy of 280 russian trucks crossing into its territory. and if it crosses into kiev's

territory, it would be viewed as an acts of aggression. that is coming from kiev, the ukrainian government. so russia says that it is acting and bringing humanitarian aid under the international red cross, but the international red cross said it was, quote, not in charge of the convoy and had not clarified details of the content. that in the "financial times" this morning on russia. and also the front page of the "washington post" on the health care law with a quick headline. some could lose their health care coverage. that is the warn iing from h.h.. they are warning hundreds of thousands who have bought health plans that the coverage will be cut off unless they quickly provide proof that their citizenship or immigration status makes them eligible to be insured through the marketplaces. we are talking about 310,000,

and they are included in about the two million cases of several kinds of application discrepancies for the so-called obamacare. and we're getting your thoughts on did inaction in syria lead to the iraq crisis. andrew, brookville, pennsylvania, republican caller. you're up. go ahead. >> caller: hello. >> good morning. >> caller: morning. this administration is about with the advisors they have and the topics they brought in, you have to wonder about the way they are starting to self-feed upon themselves. and with hillary clinton and all the advisor, you would think they have a lot of different type of people now they are starting to leave, starting to be a lame duck session, you really have to wonder about what is going to happen with all the different things going on and all the scandals that went on and the different things that happened in his separation. you would hope that you got to start to wonder why all of the kind of things that happened

under president obama and you have to feel for the guy now that things are starting to come apart at the seams. >> all right. roger, savannah, georgia, democratic caller. >> caller: good morning. all right. yes. i would like to say that i don't feel that it is president obama's fault for the incidents in iraq especially. to me in 2004, we secured the border and went from in 2003 when the war first started, we secured iraq from the top to the bottom. and there was no at that point, once we secure d iraq, to me tht is when the iraq officials should have taken over. and now 10 years later we still have -- we just now getting the last troops out of iraq.

my question is why? we should have done this 10 years ago and we would not be in this problem we are today. >> betty from albuquerque, new mexico. >> caller: what a pandora's box you have opened this morning. this is exciting. my thoughts on this are tom hartman says it best on the radio show when he says that bush, george bush opened the gates of hell to iraq when he decided to enter. and now we're offering the consequences and not nearly as much as they are, though. and very, very sad. why is nobody had this. and the iraqi army with hundreds of thousands of members and far more than any action in syria.

as far as hillary clinton's remark, shes most entitled to her opinion, but i think she is going to pay for it. she is reaching out to the g.o.p. and after all, how many of them -- there isn't a war they don't love. thank you so much. >> and we will go to vicky next, west sacramento, california. >> caller: hello? >> hi, vicky. you are on the air. >> caller: thank you for taking my call. first of all, i would like to say that i was raised in a completely air force family, nothing but officers. my dad was a p.o.w. and the thing we made a mistake when he elected obama is he is not a military leader. he doesn't make concise and precise decisions. when the pentagon is in an

uproar because he is not acting and we see what is going on around us, there is a lack of responsibility coming from the president. i watch the news and watch what is going on. and i know that we would have never turned our back on the people in iraq or syria if we had somebody who was engaged in what we need to do. it is not a matter of us protecting their interest, but a matter of protecting our own interest. and obama is just not there. he doesn't get it and is a businessman running the united states like a corporation. >> all right, vicky. we will hear from al next, republican caller in warren, ohio. al, what do you think? >> caller: definitely has something to do with it. when you threaten somebody, you know, you can't use chemical weapons, they use them eight

times since obama threatsened them, and of course, the threat is isis and we have the vacuum in iraq. they come in and figure i am glad to see mr. obama doing what republicans told him five months ago that they had v to do. and a little late, but is better than nothing. i guess they could save a few of them. look at where mr. obama came in and we was at two wars. we are still at the two wars. and we still have egypt, libya, and syria, russia now, and just like the last lady said this, guy needs to make decisions. we are still waiting for a decision on the pipeline. so what can we say? we're lost. we're going to have a long two years, that's all. >> james in fort lauderdale, florida, independent caller. you're up. >> caller: thank you so much, c-span. i am tired of the people talking about the president t president t president. the president cannot act without

constitution' approval. and -- without congress' approval. the united states has three different branches of government to where we have checks and balances. and besides all that, when is it going to be said and when will we have a show -- i watch c-span all the time, and when will we have a topic to discuss when are we going to hold the middle east accountable for their own countrys? we will go to the united nations and sit down to the table and discuss the whole issue going on in the middle east. we can't provide with support, aid, guns, so forth and so on. it needs to be systemically structured to go to the u.n. and we have been there 20 years now.

>> you want to see more of a coalition. >> more of a copopulation and a sit down discussions and the g-7 and the g-8 that get in the middle of the wars. and we doned neat that. to be a coalition, but with proof from the middle east needs their own leaders to step up to the plate, and take responsibility. and we are mixing it up. it's two little things. >> all right, james. got your point. and speaking of the united nations, the world health organization is saying their approval from the experimental and untested drug cans be used to combat the spread of ebola as

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show down against senator franken. the associated press called the g.o.p. primary for mcfadden who easily defeated a field that included four other republicans. so those are some of the proi mare results around the -- primary results around the country yesterday. and steve got a few minutes left here. steve, more thoughts on did inaction in syria cause what we are seeing in iraq now? go ahead, steve. >> caller: and i have a comment and i was wondering why you don't have like more of a question regarding like brainstorming session where instead of people calling and in complaining one way or the other, and people call in with ideas on what we should do in iraq. and like some of the other topics instead of what obama did wrong or right or what bush did

wrong or right. and have people call in with the ideas of what we should do. and that would be a lot more helpful. >> we will take your suggestion and if other people have topics that you think we should discuss on the "washington journal" send us an email. and also send us a tweet @cspan wj is the handle. put in the tweet hash tag wj topic. and we'll go next here to greg in st. paul, minnesota. democratic caller. hi, greg. >> caller: hi. >> good morning. >> caller: good morning. how are you? >> fine. what are your thoughts? >> caller: my thought is that i think that they should continue to support the war. they should try to get the people as soon as possible. and that we can have a good communications between iraq and the united states. >> all right. scott, and republican, alabama. you are live. go ahead.

>> caller: tibble president ought to do more about getting more troops over there to get people off the mountain. >> that is what the military is weighing. and weighing that option of sending in a rescue mission to put u.s. troops in more direct contact and confrontation with the islamic fighters. are you for that? possible casualtys? >> calle >> caller: well, not really, but it's just -- i am kind of nervous. >> it's okay. >> caller: and more of a humane thing to do i think. >> all right. scott, republican, and in moore, alabama. coming up, we are going to be talking with feminist majority foundation president eleanor sneal on the supreme court rulings and the future of the women's rights movements. and later conservative filmmaker dennis lynch focussing on illegal immigration. all that right after this break.

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email us. join in the conversation on facebook and twitter. >> "washington journal" continues. >> we are back with eleanor smeal to talk about the future of the women's rights movement. let's begin with the supreme court. legal scholars saying the court has delivered blows to women's groups with equal pay, abortion, medical contraception. what is going on at the court in your opinion? >> major blows to women and that the hobby lobby decision for one was concerned with corporate right to privacy and barely mentioned women. it is preposterous. >> in the "new york times"

recently they had a feature piece with supreme court with ruth bader-ginsburg. here is the headline. justices ruling advance gays, women less so. and in the gay rights ruling t court uses the soaring language legal of liberty and equality, but in cases involving gender, the court has never fully embraced the ability of women to decide for themselves what the destiny will be. what needs to happen? >> i am glad the court is understanding the importance of gay and lesbian rights. but on women they are going backwards. these are backward trends. and it is the principle pal swing vote. kennedy is very uncomfortable

with women's rights and thinks in a stereotypical, patronizing way, paternalistic and old fashioned. and ruth bader-ginsburg has called him on it. we are losing the cases by 5-4 majorities, five men, five republicans. and the three women have been outraged especially on the hobby lobby decision that affects women's health. >> what has kennedy said specifically sfr >> for example, in the hobby lobby decision, he talked a tbt rights to privacy -- about the rights of privacy to a corporation. he ignored the entire history of the court for women to make their own decisions on contraceptives and said that tightly-held corporations had a right to religion, but ignored women. virtually didn't mention them. it was about women employees and

their rights to have coverage for contraception. and then he narrowed it out saying this is a narrow decision. actually, it is a broad decision. if you take what he said, what happens if a -- first place, corporations, i don't think people think of them as people that have religious beliefs. but he said so. that the so-called tightly-held ones. what happens if they had the religious belief and ruth bader-ginsburg says this, of a father would have to give permission for his daughter to work? or a husband would have to give permission? i mean, there is all kinds of very right-wing or very conservative views in some religions on women's roles. it's preposterous in this day and age that it could limit women economically. and remember on this, they said this only dealt with

contraception. all other religious beliefs could not control health care coverage. by the way, they said it was only for the four types of contraceptions like an i.u.d. which they said erroneously could deal with abortion, and it opportunity and in the the week they broadened it to all other contraceptions. and justice sotomayor called them on that. >> and this is what the conservative unit for america had to say about the hobby lobby ed decision. the contraception mandate served the group of women who supported that radical agenda to sacrifice our constitutional right to the free exercise of religion at the altar of so-called reproductive rights. it clearly works against those free thinking women c.w.a. represent who is reject society's imposed feminist values for the freedom envisioned by the founding principles of liberty and justice for all.

>> and something like 88% of women during the reproductive life use modern forms of contraceptive. s? not this is not a little minority. and that decision goes backwards. the supreme court in 1965 said that married couples had the right to the decision. they extended it to single people in 1972. are we going to fight this all over again? for who? and for them to say that gender equality -- and this is what kennedy said, was too broad and too unfocused of a factor to consider, yet it was okay to consider the sincerely held religious beliefs of a corporation.

women don't count? we don't have sincerely held religious beliefs? we can't make these decisions ourselves? >> so where does the movement go from here then? >> we have to reverse this decision. as you know t senate introduced a bill to reverse it. the only reason that wasn't voted on on the floor was filibustered by republicans. only three republicans voted for it. so elections matter. and women have to know that. that right now this court is crushing not only women's access to contraception, but they're crushing women's family medical leave. they have narrowed that. and they have narrowed pay equity decisions. and in other words, they're going after our economic and health care rights. and these are very serious. and so are the legislatures and so is congress and that part of

congress by control and the republicans. >> and they say there is not a chance the that the house flips and democrats get control of it, and the senate could lose the -- the democrats could lose control of the senate as well. and then you have republicans controlling both bodies. so the chances of overturning hobby lobby don't look great. >> and just remember this. every inch of the way for the women's movement, people have told us it's not possible. and they told us we can't do something. but the preponderance of women want full equal rights. and right now what they're doing is they're restoring the movement for the equal rights. people are saying, this is it. we can't keep debating every 20 or 30 years if women should have equal status or be treated like adults. and in fact, equal rights movement is moving again. >> remind viewers of the equal rights amendment and the history. >> equal rights amendment was approved by 35 states and

congress. and right now it needs only three more states. it's being also considered at the state level and will be on the ballot in oregon for a state constitutional amendment. and by the way, it's going to be voted on in illinois. it could be the 36th state. their senate just passed it by a 60% margin. when women see decisions like that, they say, come on. we've got to tell the court once and for all women have equal rights. . . .

women in elected office and on the courts. host: colleen in texas. first phone call. go ahead. caller: good morning. i wanted to address the comments

. she said all corporations -- hobby lobby is a family business that has been extremely successful. be upset if someone told me how i had to run my business. not everybody believes in abortion. mandate itot be a should not be mandated i a corporation. equal rights. i have been in the business world for many years and have had never had problems with equal rights. equal health, equal pay. just expect something for nothing. you have to really work hard and be successful. feministbelieve in the movement. i do not believe in unions. strongeromen become

themselves by signing up for themselves. if you do not like with the company offers or does not offer, go and work for somebody else. --t: there is no mandate guest: there is a mandate for affordable health care and contraception. the court has made it clear they're looking at all forms of modern caught -- contraception. this is an access to a health insurance plan and the only thing they say that the employer can regulate. why can't the women employees decide what health care coverage? is -- i think our record speaks for itself. we have improved educational access for women. we still do not have a quality and that what is it the out. host: from page of "the

washington times." i am thrilled know when glass ceilings are cracked. getting2014 and still the first that. only 20% of congress. we lagged behind most modern countries. so we have a ways to go. i always love to talk about the progress that i also want to remind people that we do have a ways to go. condor -- congress gender parity.

women hold 835 seats in the house and senate. will gain an equal number of seats in 2121 or 120 years. lex it is not acceptable and we will not wait that long. we have to start doubling that. we have been lagging way behind. >> how long have you been at this? guest: many years. about 40. we have opened a lot of doors. we just have to make sure none of the generation of young women are sacrificed. going next to catherine,

democratic caller. caller: i was listening to eleanor speaking about women's rights and that the menace movement and she totally has the whole issue wrong here in my opinion. because this is not an issue of women's rights. hobby lobby is making is a private corporation is upholding their religious views of what they feel they are accountable to god for. >> this is a point i want to make. when they say it is a small family corporation, this is as covering the tightly held corporation. they employ hundreds of thousands of people. this is not a small portion of the economy.

so basically what we are really talking about is does the employer have a right to determine based on their toigion what you're access various medical procedures are? >> the court went out of its way to say it does not apply to whether you give love transfusions, although some would say having a blood transfusion is right or does not apply to this or that i'm a but it does apply to whether or not you can have access to contraception. why carve this out for women. when in fact, it is necessary for men's health. most women want access. on reception is used not only to prevent earth but also for such asillnesses endometriosis or ovarian cyst. it is such an

outrage to save the employer's religious belief count morrison the employees. -- more than employees. www.c-span.org there was a poll conducted by women. 58% opposed the supreme court ruling that owners for for-profit companies can refuse to provide birth control. 58%. some say that is not a strong majority. you ask young women were thus counts, women more likely to have ovarian cysts and in demetrio tourists, that number skyrockets up. -- endometriosis, that number skyrockets up. one of the problems is older decision -- people are constantly making decisions for young women and we all forget how hard it is when you are

young and important it is to have access to contraception. the averagesider age of the court, contraception only became wholly available in the mid-60's. some of them did not have it available. i am talking modern pills, in their lifetime, reproductive now, women take it for granted. this is a step forward. not only for their health but their economic opportunity and well-being of their families. host: john next, independent scholar. caller: good morning. a couple of what questions and comments. first off, as a single male or older male i am forced by the government to buy health

insurance and pay for contraception for women. that is wrong. what men. to lay arounding with women's access. those pills are not that expensive. you are not being denied anything. andcan get a prescription put down cash on the table for maybe $20. thet: you do not understand lost of modern contraception. it can go $600 per year and then you have to pay for doctors visits. sometimes only six months at a time. run around 220 and a major city. talking about 1000 or so. for an iud about 1200.

birth control is the number one out-of-pocket expense for young women and can run quite high for young women who are living on a minimum wage. like i said, they have a federal funded group. people can pay on a sliding scale. very expensive. medicines are subsidized. for anyone of low economic means, this is not really an issue. guest: don't i wish. family-planning funding is covering about 15% of the needs. in fact in some states such as texas they have cut back to

access for family-planning. clinics close because of the ideological view of right-wing governors. so it is not the case it is readily available to the poor. this is health insurance for employees. it has been usually covered. that has been covered under the religious beliefs they will be able to cut back as we find that unexceptional. i would like to give you my opinion of why i believe hobby did it for money and not for religious reasons. this corporation does business with dina who insists women get abortions -- does business with

china who insists women get abortions. that is why i believe is just about money and not religion. believe this could be about money. i also believe first control in the entire fight over abortion is denying access for middle income and lower income people. there has been some tendency among people who want push for higher birth rates. and in fact take the decision out of the hands of individual people. fairhope, alabama. independent caller. her premise is extremely flawed and playing loose with the facts.

the future of women's rights movement, a very important group is being left out of this. the future of in utero women's rights. just as women, minority and blacks have been focused upon. the recent world congress of the obstetrician and gynecologist met and the huge number of leading scientists dated very clearly it is unknown and they believe the so-called contraceptives are in fact safe. right now playing loose with external area facts and this has not been mentioned today. guest: american college of favors our position on access to contraception. scientists overwhelmingly position our position. basically women themselves.

think of how many women, the percentage. close your eyes to the people you know that are modern forms of birth control. some are making this a discussion. the rest is not even understand what we are talking about. host: what do you mean? ofst: look at almost all europe, birth control is free. what is the result? it means you have lower rates of abortion. right now we know in our own birth controlever is more widely available, abortion rates go down. we also know women want access. it is not just women. couples, people cannot imagine a life in which they can and where they have their children. this is a fundamental human right.

fundamental right we should not deny women. --sthost: a tweet peter in maine, republican line. caller: there has been no denying of contraception. off hobby lobby authored 16 forms of it. -- offered 16 forms of it. there are three or four they do not agree with. host: you finish your thought and then i will have eleanor go. --er: dave bought them they provided the contraception all along. the hobby lobby case knocked out for forms of contraception, first control, morning after, iud. week of thatin a they issued another advisory in the wheaton college case in

which they said they brought in the 22 forms. their decision covers contraception. i do not just feel it. you are hearing the three women on the court have lately said this, that they said it is just before forms and within a week they said it would cover contraception as a whole. host: this hobby lobby decision, as you can tell from the people that have picked up the phone and called in as rallied for >> i think women are far more energized. young women who literally this is their life.

this is not some academic question to them. the reason you see a gender gap in the polling is because women really care. with the had it restrictive regulations of right-wing republicans. in addition to that, just use -- loseight this election because we're terrible gerrymandering. it is not one person one vote. we wish it was. more people voted for devon product majority in the house last time than they did for republicans. it is just that we had very gerrymandered districts in which by the way are being questioned by the gerrymandering in florida. don't think we do not have popularity. in fact they are backing themselves into defending an out-of-state old-fashioned idea of not giving women full equal

rights. even though the calls are not , i cand right now guarantee or you young women running around trying to get to the kids to school and it into work do not have time to call, but i can guarantee you they know what is happening. host: another tweet -- another call in texas, democratic caller. caller in texas. is that right? caller: yes. i think a woman should be able to use whatever contraceptive she wants. not necessarily what the employees that she should.

women should do with their body as they please s. someone -- men on the supreme court should not be putting their two cents in because they are men. what about the supreme court? guest: it does show you toward appointments are crucial. that is why the senate is so crucial. we have had a senate that has been filibustering and slowing down the appointment of judges but eventually we're going to get the majority back. i think 2016 will be a very good year. how long can they filibuster like this? in the old days you had to stand there and filibuster. i think a lot of people do not realize how many filibusters there have been against president obama's appointment. julie, independent caller.

fight: i just think the over everything is ridiculous. if you are an adult, you should be able to make your own decisions. the third is right or wrong, it is your decision. we should all be able to make our own choices. women should be treated as full-fledged adult, equal rights to make their decision. that is what this is about, right to privacy and equality and dignity. they know themselves best on these health care decisions. host: amy on twitter says -- air. on the would like to ask eleanor if she is a progressive.

i am a feminist. i am not sure what you mean by progressive. forer: i would like to ask yes.ia progressive? guest: a progressive is someone socialist/communist -- guest: i am not a communist. never have been. i have spent my life working for civil rights and the met -- women's rights. my record is very clear. i have worked on every issue late forgrating little my young girl pitching high-speed right now. everything from integrating little league to want on that used to say women and men.

every step of the way. and right now our organization is very diverse. we have a global position. we fight for the rights of afghan women to have the right to work, education. fought for title ix, which gave is equal education rights. thename it, we have been on frontlines. i know exactly what we are fighting for and how fragile the rights are. we fought for title ix, equal educational opportunity for women that cannot be discriminated with federal funding, and yet every decade we have to protect that right. back to creating single-sex classes that are academic. they'd do not have to be exactly comparable. vigilanthave to keep because this matters. i think most people are grateful

for the advances women and girls have had, and that is because the active women's movement. host: what do you make of this headline in today's "usa today's" section -- inside the jump age shows the workforce is mostly white, asian and mail. -- male. guest: let's face it, silicon valley has a lot to improve. we still have a largely sex segregated work worse. jobs that principle women only do versus jobs principally only males are doing.

have we improved it? you bet we have. but it has not been keeping pace. one reason apple is concerned i am sure is we find those companies with more diversified work forces do better economically. host: mason, dayton ohio. democratic caller. good morning. i am shocked by the women are calling in, and a bit mortified. a lot of the rights they take advantage of every day, they are wanting to work backwards from those rights. they are the ones saying corporations are right. corporations should not allowed to give out birth control. for starters, it is not their health care. that is what it is, a health-care plan for an individual. i do not want my company saying they do not want to have blood transfusions, do not want me to have a birth control that

literally saves my life every month because i cannot be afford to be pregnant, i could die. not are saying it is important to them that a corporation can tell me i don't like the birth control, so you cannot have it. we do not do that with smoking. rights ofis the everyone else more important than women? you are absolutely right. for those women who say that is not true, they are not being honest. can i ask you how old you are? caller: i am the big 4-0. host: is this a big enough issue that you will vote jacob calle?: caller: absolutely, and it usually is.

in the past several years it has become more divisive. so i think it is even more important for the selection that we vote for women's rights. host: she says even more divisive and her time. do you share that? has happenedt what since 2000 10. state legislator after state legislature that it's controlled by a white -- right-wing majority and governor have cut back on access to reproductive rights. no question about it. they're closing abortion clinics. they are putting terrible restrictions that people had not thought of, like catch-22 restrictions. in federalcisions court in mississippi and alabama. they have to go to the supreme court.

violence at the clinics, something like one in five clinics that are experiencing violence or stocking of the abortion provider. , they did not run in 2010 on we will cut that woman's rights, but that is what they're doing. it is like let's do it again. where do you come up with this? even when it is not necessary. i think it has caught the attention of american women, and they are as shocked as that caller is. her body cannot take another pregnancy. her for her, her body cannot

take another pregnancy. i know how that feels. calleda blood disease mediterranean anemia, which you cannot have repeated agassiz without threatening your own well-being. we act like every woman is a carbon copy in this is no problem, pregnancy unlimited. a health care problem and she should have this decision. in fact, i believe an employer does not really have the right of themedical records employee. i am an employer and not looking at the medical records of my employees. they have a right to their own privacy. i do not know where we are getting this from that some employers seem determined. you are not using it for birth control come you are using it for ovarian cysts? what business of theirs to know what your medical challenges are. host: janet, independent caller.

caller: thank you for taking my call. first, i wish the term pro-life would never be used. i am not for the death penalty, the guess i ami wish you woulde term anti-choice. that is what it is. it is pro-choice and anti-choice. secondly, dominance meal, i don't know where you get the energy to keep fighting this. i cannot believe we are still talking about it. , and i haves old never used birth control in my life. lot of children and i could afford to have a lot of children. i had nine. in fact, i had seven in 6.5 years. wantedfforded them and i them. when i see these men rail about contraception, i wonder how come they do not have as many kids i

do -- as i do. some used birth control, somewhere abstinent -- maybe their mistresses used birth control, i don't know. but i recall the first time i thomasgress, all men talking about women's bodies. this was a long time ago. we are talking the 1960's or the 1970's. that theyrrassed would be talking about this. but i understand it. they are so obsessed with women's bodies. men are obsessed with women's bodies. finally, i don't think it is a war on women. i think it is control. men want to control women in every way. she has expressed some of my sentiments very well. by the way, when she is saying it first time she saw them,

was 1971 when they had hearings on the birth control pill. how long ago that is. it is just incredible. now we have a pill that is knowingly safe -- that is not only save, but the instances of cancer are less. it is a different bill. it has evolved. -- it is a different pill. it has evolved. where talking about iud's, injectables. there are many forms of contraception that helps women make decisions to protect their own health and the well-being of their family. she wanted a lot of children and could have them. i could not. nowadays, young women can make they decisions easier if can afford it and have access. birth control is a public health

issue. by the way, justice kennedy said in a decision that a mandate based on public health -- that these factors were too brought on focus. but the sincerely held religious belief of a corporation was none too broad for focus. host: kathy, pennsylvania, a republican caller. caller: my question is this. my daughter got pregnant for the fourth time. there were medical problems and she worked, but she had her baby. that baby came out a beautiful, wonderful little baby girl. you tell me whose rights would have been taken away if my daughter had killed that baby in utero. we would not have had her. even her older siblings love her. you talk about women's rights, women not having rights.

my daughter makes more money than her husband. as a matter of fact, she makes more money than her brother who has far dangerous jobs than she does. we got your point. we will have eleanor smeal respond. guest: we are talking about contraception. you had a good result. that's great. women themselves and their families have the right to make these decisions. i don't want to go deep into the abortion question, but i do want to say that the right to determine when and if you are having a child has to be with the individuals, not with the corporation. but this question is not on abortion. it is just on contraception. that issue is well decided in our country, and i happen to believe the abortion question is one thirdrealize that

of women at least have an abortion in their lifetime? that is not academic to them. at least. i happen to think that number is much higher. host: eleanor smeal is the resident of the feminist majority, the president of the national organization for women. we appreciate you being here. coming up next, we will talk documentaryative filmmaker dennis michael lynch on illegal immigration. and then a special report later by "scientific american" on cancer. senior editor christine gorman joins us for that. international news this hour. as the u.s. sends another 130 troops to iraq to act as advisers, according to secretary hagel, word this morning from francois hollande that france will supply arms to iraq's kurds

"in the coming hours to go a statement from his office is the -- france has received approval from baghdad for its decision. the u.s. has also reportedly begun supplying weapons to the british forces, -- two the forces known as the patchwork a ofand the prime minister australia is considering sending a combat mission to iraq. has been carrying out air strikes against the is fighters in northern iraq. highest religious authority that he says the islamic state group that has been on a rampage in iraq and syria is a "bloody, extremist group that has tarnished the image of islam her."

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so i got into filmmaking and did it women migration -- and did it legal immigration. i foundown away by what specifically at the border, and how it was impacting the american worker. hiringg a ceo who is hundreds of people at the time, i started to understand the impact it was having not only on taking jobs away from americans, but how it was impacting the depression, where wages stay down for americans. 1," andcome to america it was unbelievable how many people came in and bought the dvd and shared it with people. i decided to do a second film. in fact, my film that is all coversow also immigration and other topics as well and how it is mistreated or misreported in the mainstream media. with "they come to america

have madeo," they more phone calls to congress than i would have or have imagined. senate --back to the marco rubio, charles schumer and company, the gang of eight -- i have been told by people and commerce they have received more phone calls, specifically at the house, that said i watched these two films. you cannot pass that bill. somehow i have gone from businessman to filmmaker to somewhat of an activist because -- let me step back and say it this way. when i first did my verse television interview about two to three years ago after 1, theg come to america first line i said was that illegal immigration will be the biggest issue this country faces in the years to come, and right

now there are gallup polls out saying i am right. it tops the list for people. guest: the sad thing, greta, two years ago, when romney was up against obama, those same polls were at the top. in those four debates, the topic of illegal immigration was covered for one -- just one time for seven minutes. host: your film is putting the face on the illegal immigrants that come here. putting an american face on the topic. host: what do you mean by that? guest: typically when you see this on television or read it in the papers, the narrative is always about the illegal immigrant, the journey they take. specifically right now the surge that is going on in texas. it is always about the trip they make from central america to mexico, and it is very dangerous. but remember, they do it voluntarily.

it is not trafficking, it is smuggling. they are paying somebody to take them into the u.s. the focus, but what is never the focus is the impact this has on the american people. do not ignore the hardship of the illegal immigrant, but they focus heavily on the impact it has on the american people and on national security. our viewers aow little bit of "come to america." ever -- any of you guest: do any of you plan to go home to your home country, or do you think you're here for good? >> i have a plan. i don't want to make children here in this country. so i want to make money in this country and send it on to my country. guest: so the truth is you do not want to be an american?

caller: no, -- >> no, honestly. the united states is not the best in the world. today you pay for me. my son pays for your son. guest: what did we learn there -- host: what did we learn there? guest: i still get chills down my spine when i see that. not everyone who is coming here he illegally are not coming for the american dream. many simply want to work. there are jobs to be had here, make thetake the jobs money, and they send it back home. i understand that from their point of view. i don't understand from the government's point of view. we are supposed to be protecting americans. my contention is very simple. i could solve this problem in a

day. my contention is that when every america,very child in every adult in america, is living the american dream, -- i just walked to c-span this morning and saw two homeless man sleeping on the concrete. i posted it on facebook. when they have a place to go, a job to be had, and a place to live, i will open my arms to everybody. but until that happens, we have to follow illegal immigration process and we have to stop illegal immigration. and i'm telling you, i have a plan for 30 days that would end this whole thing. tell us what that is. guest: you have to remove the incentive for bringing them here. whoou fined the employers hire them, it would stop. we have to stop that we have to start deporting people, by the tens of hundreds of thousands. you have to say if you come here

illegally you will not be rewarded with a job or with citizenship. what would happen is you would spend that five grand or a 10 grand on a coyote who will take you over the border. when those two things are done, the traffic you are seeing coming through will stop, and then we can focus on the national security issue. which is another beast in itself. on the incentive issue, this piece by the center for american progress, "violence is causing -- 40%, elullah is salvador, -- what a mullah, 40% homicide rate, el salvador, 43%. guest: nothing has changed in those countries over the last is co-or three years. ideal with the border patrol on a daily basis. they have found a trusted name. i think they have not found in

anybody else in the media. i have been told -- i don't know if i sent you the clip or not, but i have been told i border patrol that when they sit down and interview the people coming across the border, that is the first thing that comes out of the mouth. but as you get to question 5, 6, 7, there -- they are here for one or two different reasons. i am not saying that people are not fleeing from bad situations, but they are primarily coming here because they think the president will give them an amnesty. gonzalez, the attorney general under george w. bush, writes a piece under "usa today," "executive action is .eeded we are a nation of immigrants and laws, and obama must balance both." a compassionate nation that takes care of children, we are a nation of laws and we need to secure our borders.

those children should be afforded prompt, legitimate adjudication. they should be fed, housed, and protected, not released into the u.s. general population." do not need comprehensive immigration reform. we need immigration enforcement. our immigration laws are pretty good. we take in more people from around the world every year legally than all other countries combined. does it need some tweaking? absolutely. do we have a problem here with the so-called dreamers who are brought here when they were two or three years old and have no choice? sure, we have to deal with them. but by and large, what you're we shouldtexas, immediately deport these children. feed them, check them for diseases, treats them as humanely as we can, treat them as humanely we would an american child. but they need to go home. we need enforcement. we do not need reform.

immigration reform is a fancy way of saying amnesty. like it or not, that is what it is. we need enforcement. everybody else talks about we need more boots on the ground, more fences, more technology. baloney. i have seen that. i have seen it at its best. technology everywhere. you think you would -- you would think you are in a high-tech video game, and they are still coming through. air is no will to stop these people. -- there is no will to stop these people. until there is, we will continue to continue. showing thes a clip saved by patriots tour you did. i want to show a little bit of that. >> we have had 43 full-size trucks full of -- full-size trucks full of marijuana, and across the wall. same place all the time. they know where they are coming, and they still get away. you have the drones, the

satellites, the radar, the new cameras am in the border patrol station over there. how is that happening? >> i don't understand it. guest: they have not been caught. >> this is the worst it has been for 23 years. host: who are you talking to? guest: that is a rancher, john ladd. this poor man deals with this on a daily basis, and right across from him is a drug cartel hub. what gets me about that is that the most expensive border patrol station is right next door to him. picture your own home and your little fence. right next door is the border patrol station. i go down to this -- i have been going to his ranch three years in a row. each year progressively get worse. with all the technology all around, with the border patrol station right there, with this 18 foot fence, we are not stopping anybody. but from the time that video was shot to where we are now, the

last time i spoke to him he said it is almost 50 crossings. nobody stops them. important. not only are we bringing over drugs and day laborers, but we are bringing over people who present a national threat. right now, based on the intelligence i have gotten from the border patrol -- and they have not steered me wrong yet -- ms 13 gang members are being paid up to $50,000 per head to take people in, special interests from china, russia, and the middle east. they are coming in undetected. kids comingittle across the border, what do you think we have people from isis ? i have found prayer rugs. i have had middle eastern people mixed in. does that mean they are necessarily terrorists? guest: it does not mean they are

not. explain to me the religious and geographical connection from iranody coming over from through mexico. there is a 2012 congressional report that clearly states drug cartels are working with terror networks. you want to take that chance? i don't. maybe i am more passionate about this because i live 9/11. i have seen my fellow americans of all races and all countries fall 80 stories. it is not pretty. i don't want to see that happen again. the president and all of congress, as far as i am concerned, with few exceptions -- they are all focused on the wrong thing. immigration laws were designed to protect the american workers from the unfair foreign competition and they were designed to protect the american citizens from people who want to come here and cause harm. we are doing neither. let me say something else about terror. terror does not have to be a building falling down.

terror can be raped, being -- it by somebody in a can be a border patrol agent when you are on a fishing trip and being killed by two a legal immigrants who have been deported and return how many times? host: we go to bernie in charleston -- bernice in charleston, south carolina. republican line. caller: i have recently realized what a danger this immigration thing is to america. knew it was bad, but when i started doing my homework and started checking facts and figures, for one thing, the main enemy to the american people is the media. they are lying to us. they only present one view of this immigration. listen, those borders are wide open. thinkny bad stuff do you

has come across that border since 9/11? george bush should have closed 912 -- onrs on nine/12, period. guest: president reagan said the worst mistake he made was granting amnesty. he thought he would be granting amnesty to one million people. it turned out to be almost 4 million people. if you said the government can never get their hands around numbers -- which they cannot -- could you imagine if we had to go through 44 million people? screend never be able to them correctly. the other thing bernice said -- that clip you share with me and john ladd -- the reason why i went there is because the week before, abc news put out a program a couple miles away from that saying how secure the border was. the camera to the left, you see it is not. feel, is one of the

greatest threats this nation faces. you cannot have a proper democracy if voters do not have access to the truth. host: michigan, democratic caller. hi, ed. to ar: you are talking conservative about terrorists, and across the mexican border or it what about the enormous canadian border? atta, some of them came through the canadian border in maine and made their way down to boston. wall acrossing a the canadian border? it seems it would be much easier to get people from iraq -- russians? iranians? chinese? it would be much easier to go across the canadian border. guest: he hits the nail on the

head. all 50 states are a border state. if you have an international airport, you have a border state. half of illegal immigration that is coming in -- although with the recent surge and is probably over 50%. but a good portion is through visa overstays. we have to protect all of our borders. but the difference between canada and mexico is that the drug cartels operate in mexico. and central america is connected to mexico, not to canada. but he is correct. they say, dennis, if you ever 3," "they come to america come to the canadian border. you?host: why won't guest: when i witnessed 9/11, i hundreds ofssman,

employees. i was doing great. this is the same suit. i don't wear suits anymore. but i wanted to make a difference. i don't put my films in theaters. if i did, i think i would give 'souza and michael moore a run for their money. it on dvd. you will take the dvd and you will handed out to somebody like ed or bernice. she did her own homework. her homework could have been my films. now i see what is going on. now that i am so afraid of what it is i see here in d.c. going on, how divided the country is, i will probably shift from filmmaking to trying to enter politics. host: nonprofit? guest: i am probably sitting

here as an independent, but i will not lie, the gop lacks leadership right now. they cannot find their own way. i don't want to slam people, but rand paul wants to give work visas to every illegal immigrant in the country. you do that, and you are taking more americans and putting them in the welfare line. you cannot have massive integration -- massive immigration, legal and illegal, and have welfare lines shrink. they will both rise. we are treating illegal immigrants better than we are our own veterans. would you be a tea party member? guest: i always go to tea party towards. democrats never invite me, but republicans and tea party groups invite me all the time. i would not join a group. one of the things that is wrong with america is that the senators and congressmen and women at this point are in such cruz is auy like ted

great guy. but he will forever have a problem because the people on the other side of the senate cannot stand him. and vice versa. i think we truly need somebody from the outside to come in and wiping the we are slate clean. here is how we will get america fixed. we will get it done and i don't want to hear any bs. host: from twitter, if we have a border crisis, why is the republican tea party house on vacation? guest: all of congress is on vacation. i put the blame on everybody. with a rare few people in congress -- and i think everybody knows who they are, jeff sessions being one of them -- everybody is using this as a political football. nobody wants to solve this problem because nobody wants to tackle it like i laid out for you. you have to start deporting people. if you don't, the problem will

continue. the message has to be sent that our citizenship and our laws do not come out of a cracker jack box. host: larry from pleasant view, tennessee, independent caller. larry, you have to listen to your phone and turned the tv down. i am going to put you on hold. then they go to rhonda in tucson, arizona. a republican caller. please go ahead. caller: thanks for taking my call. mr. lynch, i live in arizona. i have seen firsthand the issues caused by a legal immigration. i have followed you on facebook and i see how you tackle the issues facing our country -- illegal border crossing, second amendment rights, etc., and i have like your solutions. i have also heard you have a social studies background. wouldstion for you is -- you consider running for president in 2016? yeah, go ahead.

guest: i get that all the time. -- it has not been publicized like ben carson has. ben carson is a prime example. people want then carson to run i think simply because he is not a d.c. insider. although i disagree with ben carson, who says the only decent thing to do is to give legalization to all the illegals here. who says let's legalize illegals here does not understand job creation. right now job creation is an epidemic. i am dodging the question. [laughter] step up from a like for ben carson, i would consider it. i have such admiration for him,

but he has basically said he does not want the job but he would do it. that is like being the shortstop in the world series and saying i toe they don't hit the ball me. i would want that job because i think i could go in and fix things. -- a hear me talk -- i get people hear me talk -- you are a racist. we should start with the iris. i am a very compassionate person, but i realize that if you strip away the rule of law from america, you break its foundation. and the american dream is gone. i am very concerned we are at a point in this country where we are dangling on the precipice, if not falling off. host: tom, a democratic caller. how illegalse seen -- they do not want to be american citizens, most of them.

i have worked with them before. i worked for construction outfit years ago, and i saw many of them working on the interstate. they were supposed to be paid minimum wage, the prevailing wage in america. most of those on the cruise -- on the crews were hispanic. they spoke spanish. i would say what is going on, and they would say they hire illegals to compete. they said we don't want to hire them as regular employees. we hire them as independent .ontractors come back next year with a different name and they hire them again. , they also seen in omaha have had four or five cases where it illegals have gotten into car crashes, killed families, killed people, and

border, to the mexican they do not face any penalties in the united states. guest: i was having a hard time hearing that, but i think he repeated some of what i said. i want to be very clear on something. the majority of people coming into this country illegally are not doing so with the intent of killing somebody in a dwi or to rape somebody or blow up a building. most of them are just coming over to work. a lot of people say they do the jobs that americans do not want to do. that is baloney. it himself -- right now there are 6 million illegal immigrants doing construction jobs. don't have 6 million guys who want to put up houses or windows in america? a talk about how we have to get more labor to come in and work places like google, microsoft, what have you, because they

cannot find the right workers. you don't think today's youth in a technology driven world, want to work at google? i have a hard time as a businessman believing that google and microsoft in these places, facebook -- their stocks have all doubled over the past few years. your stock does not double if you cannot find labor. what they want is the cheap labor. this is all driven, all of illegal immigration is driven by the almighty dollar. people trying to come and get it, or people hiring these people -- instead of driving the bmw, they want to drive a mercedes. instead of having one, they want five. greed is driving this, and that is how you have to fight fire with fire. people, you're going to jail if you do it multiple times. host: michigan, josh, independent caller. caller: thank you for having me.

i am a fan. ben carson with amnesty for all the illegal people who are here -- i think the crux of the matter arises in the number of illegals. we don't have a consensus. the government likes to say this millionllion to 12 illegals. if you open up amnesty for all of them, technically as an independent, a guy who voted for bill clinton, i would say cap it at 12 million and call the bluff. i am seeing numbers right now -- 30 million, 40 million illegals are here. if you say there are 11 million, them, and thene three years later you say there are 30 million, that is a huge problem. second point, the murder rate in honduras you said was 90%. it is actually 90 out of 100,000. sorry about that. -- i: again, ronald reagan

don't think we should be capping anything. we should not be bending for any of these different -- how do i say this? ronald reagan thought it would be one million. he gave amnesty to almost 4 million people. he said it was the greatest mistake of his presidency, and as far as i'm concerned, he was the best president since i have been alive. if you were to give amnesty or legalize or even did it the way marco rubio did over the course of time, how will we process, 20 million, 30 million, 40 million people? we cannot even get the obamacare website to work. how will the government do background checks on 30 million or 40 million people? we are not. we are going to hand and documentation the same way we do at the border. you know how many people at the border right now are being wrought into the country without any sort of health check? you wait for school to start,

you wait to see what is happening in a month to come. these people are coming in here with swine flu virus with bacterial pneumonia, tuberculosis. i see the reports from the border patrol. you don't see that on abc, nbc, cbs. their story is the immigration border crisis, they vectors or victims? docs slam rumors that migrants carry disease. you have heard this. guest: i get numbers i am not supposed to get. i get them from multiple different places. some places i get it from right here in bc d.c.know i will put ash in -- some places i get it from right here in d.c. are children without

parents. the rest of them are families. those families are brought to the border patrol station, asked a few questions, and they are given a strip to come back in 15 or 30 days, then they are released to the bus station and they go to somewhere, usa. they are not checked. i seees who are checked, it -- swine flu virus tuberculosis, chickenpox. say that all of these guys are coming in here healthy is a complete lie. nbc sites world bank statistics indicating that some of the countries kids are reveling from have higher vaccinations than the u.s. the u.s. has a 92% vaccination rate for measles. mexico vaccinate 99% of othersn, guatemala, and have 97%. guest: other people can say fox

has their own narrative. but fox is the only station that gave one hour to marco rubio to push his immigration reform bill, and then one hour to me to say why it is such a bad thing. i am sorry. like i said, i told you abc news, you can see it in my film. abc news shows you how secure the border is. they have the mayor from el paso saying the border has never been more secure. we should pass immigration right now. then i go down there and two miles down you see that. el paso is the most secure border town because we have a military compound down there. because across the way is one of the most dangerous places in the world. yeah, we are going to protect american sovereignty at that point. we need to protect across the entire nation. in the south, to the north, in every airport. that's it. i will not end on this. i am here to protect the

american people. once we do that, once we get america back to work, once we bring america back to where it is supposed to be, then let's reach our hand around the world and reach as many people as we can. right now, americans first. host: rodney from texas, a republican caller. caller: dennis, i want to say thank you for what you're doing. my question to you is, do you -- i don'te soon want to sound rude or anything -- but gop -- but the impeachment of obama and maybe congress getting off their butts to do something about immigration here? here in texas, i see it all the time. -- the american person is not the norm anymore. it is spanish. you have got to know spanish. you have got to live their lifestyle in order to understand

what is going on. i don't understand why congress is doing this to us. call forlot of people the impeachment of president obama. the only reason i would want that is because i want there to be that history linked to him. i think he is the worst president we have ever had, specifically in my lifetime. i think he is way over his head. he may be the nicest guy in the world, but in terms of ability to lead, he told me he could keep my doctor if i like my doctor. i am one of the guys who lost my insurance. the impeachment of president obama will do nothing to stop the flow of illegal immigrants at the border. it will do nothing. what i am concerned about is that it may even distract from where it is we need to focus our efforts. unfortunately, i don't think congress is going to do anything. i don't think we will see anything shift for the better in

this country until we get a better leader in in 2016. -- "who istwitter stopping the border patrol from their job? do they have the will to stop illegals? guest: these guys go into a roll call everyday. they said from now on when you catch somebody, we will release them. what? tose men and women signed up protect our borders, to protect our sovereignty, and all they are doing is driving people from the border to the border patrol station, and from the border patrol station to the bus station. their professional lives are upside down. remember, they are also american. many of these people are former military, and they are watching their country right now ignore the laws that are in place. they're watching the american dream float away.

his problem touches everything. hospitals, education, national system,, the welfare jobs. there is nothing it does not touch. it is the biggest problem we have. generald inspector audit shows that the obama administration violated the law when it released thousands of illegal immigrants last february, more than 600 of whom had criminal records, and according to the internal audit poor planning and ice leadership from top officials. it does not go above that, according to this report. will repeat it. ice agents and border patrol agent want to do their job that they are punished when they do. that is sad.

let's call their bluff. you want to call their bluff? say sure we will give amnesty. but the people we give amnesty to can never, ever vote. if you write that line in, you will watch these guys run for the hills. they are done. this is about cheap votes, cheap labor. that's it. to disguise it any other way is just stupidity. emphasizep -- i will again. we take in over one million people legally every single year. you know what, why i think the number is closer to 30 million people to 40 million people? look around you. people contact me every day and say i cannot get a job as i do not speak spanish. i take my kid to school and half the people in the school cannot speaking with. it costs 50% more to educate a child who does not speak in which, someone who comes across

the border, then it does to educate our own children. i am taught -- i am not talking about alienating the hispanic community. you want to improve the hispanic community, the black community? you go into those communities and say to these people -- i not only when your vote but i will help you once you get it. the people coming across the border take those jobs that people need. you go to some of these places -- is african-american children, they are sleeping in rat infested buildings with no windows. --y are sleeping with no with mattresses as thick as this had. obama got 90% of them to vote for him. they don't have a chance. he keeps on area in the american people. give,re free and free you it is unrealistic. where in d.c.?

guest: it was in park heights. you see in my movie, one guy comes up to me and says if you want to see bad, follow me. these people have been alienated by the government, alienated by the president, right now giving all of his average to a legal aliens. and many people in the gop are doing the same thing. massachusetts, independent caller. caller: they do need some tweaking. you should emphasize that more. we did not have enough workers in 1999 to fill the jobs. companies lost a lot on their bottom line. but the legal applicants coming from all over the world have to stand in line way too banged long. sometimes 10, 15 years, because too long.s

obama has foot drag on enforcement, but he has deported far more ill eagles than bush. what about all the problems reagan caused in central america that would make people want to drive out of the country for in the -- to drive out of their country for higher wages? how would you respond to that? guest: he has so many good points. obamaof all, president has not deported more than any other president before. he changed the definition of a deportation. if somebody comes across from mexico and they are turned back, he counts that as a deportation. that is not a deportation. those numbers -- and i think jeh johnson supported what i am about to say at those numbers are not realistic when you look at the real definition of deportation. that same guy when i pushed him if he triesco --

five times a day and i turn him back five times, those are all counted as deportations. the colors who -- the callers that called in today, even democrats, say we have a problem here and we need to solve this. there was no screaming here. this is what has to happen. no one has called me up and called me a racist. this man is correct in that we need to tweak some of the parts of our immigration laws that are on the book. require 1400 pages. it is probably a page or two. host: jeffrey, independent caller. caller: a quick question and a comment to follow. dennis, are you aware -- do you know what the second-largest ice -- host: we didn't hear that.

caller: do you know where the second-largest ice detention center is in the country? it is in upstate new york. host: what is the point? caller: my point is, it seems like you are honestly commercializing xenophobia, and i would just like to know why should we trust you? why should people trust you, our government or institutions, that greta has stated? two reasons. number one, i invite you to go to my website and get all three of the dvd's. ,hat sounds a little salesey buy, i everyone that you will give you one free. i have walked away from so much money. i walked away from a park avenue

-- this studio was half the size of my office on park avenue. away from these things. i walked away from the big house. you should trust me because i am not here for money, for fame. i am here because i really care about the american people. you watch my films, i go to the where fair line. i go and talk to the american people. i have gone to places along that border that nobody else goes to, and i do that because, like i told you, i saw people die on 9-11 and that is from a national security standpoint. i lost friends. my brother-in-law is a fireman. they lost more firemen than in any other house. because i have a ceo background, because i am a business guy, i do understand. i used to be in that mindset of how much money can i make. it is really a bad mindset

because although i was a really good ceo, it is so hard to shift yourself away from i have to make more money. it took nine/11 for me to make that shift. now i want to do whatever i can to help my country. will i run for that specific office? if helping my country is doing what i am doing right now, i will continue to do it until i cannot do it anymore or until another opportunity comes up did you should trust me because i am looking right into the -- you should trust me because i'm looking right into the camera. host: tell me what you used to do. guest: here is a perfect example. the dot-com ack in days, i raised $13 million. my partner was john skelly of apple.

the company was changing. we were trying to posture it. i saw my hard work starting to change. it was no longer about being profitable or customer service oriented. it was about getting as much product out the door. who cares if it was crap? i did not like that at all. i hated that. i walked away from that. that was one business i walked away from. i walked away from it because i could not continue to lie. i could not continue to live a lie. host: we are all out of time. you can goael lynch, to dml.com. a special report in "scientific american," looking at cancer. that is next after this news update from c-span radio. >> is 9:22 a.m. eastern time.

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why do this special report? well, there are a number of reasons to do a special report. as you say, it is in the july issue of "scientific american," done in partnership with "nature," the research journal. the reason includes the fact that now that we have the human genome project, when we have learned how to sequence the genes that are found in people, we can also sequenced the genes that are found in cancers on in tumors. at base, cancers are genetic diseases, not necessarily what you got as a child, but they change with their expression, the way they work. those changes accumulate over time, creating a cell that grows out of control and becomes what

we call a tumor. revolution in genetic sequencing, and figuring out what genes have changed -- the ability to figure that out now for specific tumors -- we are getting to the point of telling which genes have changed, which are more important, which are driving the growth of any particular tumor, which genes are along for the ride, passenger genes. an incredible amount of information that just in the past five or less years, has come out about the genetic cancer. at the same time, we are getting much more precise in terms of targeting of tumors with ,ifferent kinds of treatments and in terms of looking at,

personalizing it. this is all still 5, 10, in some cases already here. but in terms of general application, it is still into the future. but we are sort of on the hilltop bank can see where these things are going. hilltop and can see where these things are going. how the body itself reacts to a tumor and how it can be boosted in the immune system to fight betterancer that are -- than it was prior. those three things are really kind of just going up. the world of cancer research is learning so much that i think that was the excitement that nature,d the editors at to bring out this special report. the issue,have shown

but it is the july issue of "scientific american." is naturek inside, it outlook. there are about a dozen or so articles that are full -- that are ripped of the front lines of nature -- of cancer research. host: it has been more than 40 years since a war on cancer was declared. where does the war stand? it is funny. in the 1970's when the war on cancer was declared, there was metaphor thatwar" works really well. in the same way there had been it moonshot challenge, seemed that you could declare a target and go after it. it turns out that cancer is much dance.ke a really weird when you think about what the cells do in the body, there is --s incredible orchestration

the cells and deliver talking to the cells in the pancreas talking to the cells in -- the cells in the liver, talking to the pancreas cells, talking to orchestrated. they are all in tune with each other and cancer is a real disruption of that extraordinary coordination. the dance gets totally messed up . it has become totally uncoordinated. and thaters takeover systemic approach of how do you coordinate -- how do you bring that coordination, how do you persuade cells that have gone rogue to either die, that is go soar metaphor, or even that they simply stop causing trouble. it turns out you need agents

from the outside. you need drugs. kill. not just need to you also can boost the response of the immune system, as i mentioned earlier. you can change the environment. this is something very new being worked on in the last few years. micro. the healthy cells that surround a tumor actually support the tumor. cells, the blood vessels attracted to a solid tumor. oxygen core environment in the middle of the normally not a hospitable place, but somehow cancer cells have a geared out how to survive there.

there is a microenvironment, that if we can in it -- manipulate the microenvironment, we might be able to stop tumors from growing. to give back to your question about the war on cancer, we have done a lot on early detection. we have not made that much -- and the, too. in terms of sunbathing and smoking, various dietary issues, we have made progress in understanding the lifestyle changes we can make with respect to prevention. we have done a lot in terms of early detection in order to stop cancers from going on. you hardly hear about advanced cervical cancer any more. what has not happened in the , particularlys

with the solid tumor. cancers are divided into two group's. lymphomas, leukemias, things like that. a lot of progress, childhood 99%emia, which used to be to 100% of the time fatal in a very short period of time, it is now exactly the opposite. it is almost always survivable. we have not had as much success with advanced forms of solid tumors. lung cancers, breast cancers. show our viewers -- attacking an academic, a huge amount of funding and research. an epacking idemic. a huge amount of funding and research.

predominately the united states, between 99 and 116 deaths per 100,000 people. brent, crownsville, maryland. good morning. i wanted to ask if she has gone to the institute in stafford, texas and talk to the doctor. he has managed to cure every see above -- cure every type of cancer there is. far greaterit at a rate than conventional methods. his cure is cancer free for life. that institute is a very controversial operation. mainstream researchers do not credit it with the claims that

the doctor has made. i would rather not comment to much more on that. what i am talking about and what we are talking about in the special report in nature and in scientific american is in both magazines. reproducible in multiple institutions across the united states, not only the united states, but around the world. withgoing to keep my money methods that have been shown to work and are being shown to work all around the world. here's a tweet -- i am an emphasized the importance of the immune system in fighting cancer and aging. pat, go ahead. caller: might i ask, is there any group of things that must

happen before there is changes in the genes, as you mentioned earlier? that is a great question. this is part of the excitement, that now the combination of geneticists and cell biologists and all of the different are putting together a kind of script, if you will of the different changes that must occur. ,hese changes are different depending on the organ in which the particular cell is and the environment in which you are, even environment -- we think of what is outside, but the environment is also the

near environment, if you will. what food you are putting into your mouth, whether or not you smoke. smoking is the biggest modifiable environmental factor. air pollution. we are very lucky in the united states. we have a lot of our air pollution issues under control. pollution isair horrific and people are going around wearing masks all the time, they just recently, i think it was last year, a child of eight years of age was diagnosed with a primary lung tumor. a tumor of the lungs that started in the lungs. it did not jump there from someplace else. most know, lung cancers, are caused by smoking. this child was not a smoker. are in0% of lung cancers

non-smokers who have some sort ,f environmental exposure people in new jersey, for example know a lot about radon exposure. it is a natural occurring radioactive substance that increases the risk for lung cancer. this child, i think it is the youngest case of lung cancer we have ever seen in the world, developed primary lung cancer. it is obvious what is different is the toxic, toxic levels of air pollution there. change, some sort of either from the environment or a hereditary predisposition, something happens that causes a few genes in a particular cell to go haywire, to either change, to have something drop out, and

then, if all works normally, the body notices. the immune system says there is danger here. immunologists talk about danger signals that can find the bad iss that something happening, something is not working right and the immune system will send a signal to that cell. it is fairly complicated, but researchers are tracing it in ,inute detail, telling the cell sorry, but for the good of everyone else, you have to commit suicide. it is called cell suicide. dies and that is the end of it. , thisme number of cases is one of the reason cancer is an issue of aging, you run the roulette wheel long enough than

immune system is not so good at keeping watch. host: let's show our viewers a graphic. people can go to the website, american.com and you can see the numbers you have put together. we have a lot of phone calls. i am going to ask for short questions. they'll, st. charles, missouri. dale, st. charles, missouri. care.: i work in health i have lost every member of my family to cancer. we have seen billions of

,ollars, public and private money spent and they are largely on treatment. that seems to be where the money is -- treatment. i don't know how many times we have heard there is a cure around the corner, but in reality, that has not happened. give me your feedback on how much research is being done for a cure in the private sector versus the public sector. that, let's you do show our viewers the money from your special. institutehe national of health spent two point $6 billion on cancer research. more than one quarter of that went to breast cancer. 280 6 million for prostate. -- 281,004 correct all

--.ion four correct > no single cure for cancer. there are many cancers. unfortunately, in your case, 're prone to cancer, so what works in your family will be different than someone who develops breast cancer at the age of 75. what you will see with the money that is now being spent on genetics, on immunology, we will have new insights and we will have to develop new ways of testing drugs.

one of the articles is about redesigning the ways that drugs that several get tested at once. you can actually change the study based on the feedback you get as to which drugs seem to be working better and when. i think you are probably right. the design of studies has to change in order to take the new resources coming out so we are not waiting for answers. the headline in scientific american. .linical studies there is a lot of research showing the -- in the cannabis plants does not have thc to make you high are very

effective in helping cancers and getting rid of them. one doctor reported an with aonth-old baby tumor and they put it on his pacifier, and the tumor went away. can you comment on what we can do to get the government to make this legal? guest: lots of questions in your question. the most important is to reiterate that you have to -- ofence is the science reproducing. one result, if it did happen in a proofy, does not create. -- thee to reproduce

same with the caller about the texas cancer. to reproducee able . in the case of cannabinoids, there are a lot. which one is reportedly making the difference? there is research on this. whichick is to figure out part to target and on and to show that there is an effect in larger studies. host: jenny, go ahead. what do you think about these e-cigarettes? did you know that albert einstein predicted those? that we would have them someday? did not know about

leery einstein, but i am about e-cigarettes. i think they are -- if you are a smoker of traditional cigarettes and you are trying to quit and e-cigarettes are the way that you cut down or even cut out traditional cigarettes, i think that is good. peopleworry about is taking up smoking with e-cigarettes who have never smoked traditional cigarettes at all. i worry because we do not know much about e-cigarettes. about theknow propellants that are in the liquid. recognizednsidered as safe for ingestion for eating.

we don't know what happens when you inhale them. -- one of the people is thebout air pollution fine particulate matter that gets into the longs. that causes cancer. glycolly, the propylene that is in the fluid and to provide the flavor in the cigarettes, it is unclear. there is metal in the coil that gets hot. does that go into the vapor? a piece was written on , outlining some of these concerns. i am a little on the fence about e-cigarettes. infections caused 16% of all cancers in 2016, with the exception of sub-saharan africa. is one ofung cancer

the top killers in the region. the red bubble -- you can see the statistic. caller: i want to ask the lady a program going on in emory university in atlanta. program, i know a lady that participated. they implant something in their body. what it does, it cuts on circulation to the cancer often the cancers died. cancers and was scheduled to go to hospice. she was near death. they intervened and asked her to participate at emory. today, she is cancer free. there is a cure for some cancers.

had made ariend commitment to make this treatment known throughout the country and ask why it cannot be taken out of the experimental stage and he used. it is effective. it is used in france pretty often, i think. if i understand you right, the program at emory actually attacks the blood vessels that support and nourish the tumor. something that has been a holy grail among cancer researchers for a long time. if you can somehow destroy the blood network, the cancers will shrivel up and die. here are the issues. your friend had a miraculous recovery. what was that about her

hericular biology that made really responsive? i am sure there were others in that trial who did not respond as well. usually you hear about the successes before you hear about the failures. change why we need to the way research studies are done, so we can understand -- at the same time, do a genetic scan of her, not just of her tumor, but of her, to find out what it is she responded to. what about her biology responded to this treatment? where we need to change the way research studies are done. we need to figure out, and that this is not yet -- no one has figured out how to do this. we need to figure out how to deal with all of this data. about terabytes of data from one person.

if you do a genetic scan of a person, get their whole genome sequence and the genome of their cancer, the way it has been changed, people estimate that would be a terabyte of data followed by 18 zeros. how do you compare my terabyte of data to your terabyte of data to this woman's terabyte of data? the sheer scale of the amount of information we are talking about, we do not know how to deal with. i understand the frustration, believe me. like so many others, i have also had people, friends and family with cancer and some have responded and others have not. we need to know why. tremendous success, as laudable as it is for one

person, is not the scientific answer. it will not help us all across the board. host: judy, royal oak, michigan. caller: thank you for c-span. i love c-span. i want to say on behalf of dr. reallyki, my husband was -- his life was saved 17 years ago by dr. brezinski. dr. brezinski discovered the urine of cancer victims lacked certain chemicals that healthy people have. he was able to synthesize it. frank --, if basically, frank took capsule six times a day. the only side effect is he had to spend more time in the

bathroom because of drinking all the water. he is alive today because of dr. brezinski. guest: i am glad that your husband is alive today. success could be multiplied many times, but we are just going to have to disagree as to -- agree to disagree as to whether or not dr. brezinski had anything to do with it. lee, gainesville, democratic caller. caller: it seems your guest is deflecting results that have been studied where people are being short from cancer. i do not know her background in regards to who she is. it seems like a lot of pharmaceutical companies are trying to find, not a chore, but -- not a cure.

guest: i have no affiliation .ith any pharmaceutical company i do not own any single shares in any pharmaceutical companies. don't take speaking fees because i am too busy doing editing. i do not have time to do speaking. saying abouto be your is people get excited about finding the cure for cancer and my main point is that individual will be cured. i believe that will happen. there will not be a single cure for all cancers.

in the case of liver cancer, we already have the hepatitis b vaccine, which helps prevent a large number of liver cancers before they even happen. i think there will be better treatments with fewer side effects and so forth. -- it isioning people true sometimes cancers go away on their own. it is amazing. has been known for over 100 years. if you get a really bad infection after having had a after having had a cancer, it revs up the immune

system where the body can get rid of the tumor itself. a single instance of somebody being cured is not proof of an entire method. is seniorstine gorman editor at "scientific american." she works on science and health issues. from the special report in there arec american" many different stories in this report, looking at the aspects of cancer research going on. one section of the magazine focuses inside on the nanoparticles. what is that? guest: tv is all about short answers. it is hard to give a short

answer. nanoparticles are really small -- the one nanoparticles know something about is some blog. when you -- sunblock. sunblock on your nose, that is a nanoparticles that blocks the sun's rays. they can do all kinds of things. they can get into places that compounds cannot. the idea is that if you can put some drugs, something that is toxic to a cancer cell, package get thatoparticles and into the body with a delivery system, it will go to the cancer and hopefully there is a mechanism to release it in the vicinity of the cancer. cancer treatments,

chemotherapies, they hit dividing cells and that is every dividing cell in the body. dream -- weity, the are not actually there, but you will be able to take drugs and to deliver it right to the ascer site without causing much trouble elsewhere. nanoparticles have a tendency to accumulate in the liver, which is our big he talks a fine organ. host: susan, you are on the air. american people are getting discouraged about the scientific community.

i will take global warming as an example. a couple of weeks ago, he came out that we are not heating. the temperature has not risen. pharma,rnment, big people are using -- losing faith in these institutions. host: i am going to leave it there. guest: losing faith in science, not losing faith in science. if you really do look at the main point of science, which is working by consensus and not by -- and by reproducibility and having opinions and stating things over and over again and calling that a fact,

in fact if you look at the facts on global warming, average temperatures around the globe are increasing. data goingry good back really far on that. it is not just in the air. oceans,ook at the deep the temperatures deep in the ocean, away from cities that you would not expect, even those temperatures deep under the ocean surface are going up. get into global warming is another issue. in terms of cancer and in terms of research, what you have to focus on is that unfortunately, progress is not as fast as we would like. at just thisok study, just that. you have to look at a group of studies. randomized control trials. 30,000s a whole