process. people who fail a drug tests have to appear in court before they are revoked? or does it happen the moment a test comes back? did you face any resistance in programs from prosecutors and probation officers? >> first, it is $3.75. they just send in the cup. it is an instant response. t, we will seal the sample and send it to a lab for tests. they're not take into custody. they're given a court date 10 days later to show up. if they come in, they get 15 days. they are either denying or they are lying. if you ever mess up on saturday night, leave your car at home. do not bring your kids with you. bite the bullet and do the 2

-3 days. do not use, but if you do, think through your next steps. this is hard for judges. you have to give a consequence every single time. but the shortest possible time. it was just me, so that without problem. that became a bigger problem with 10 felony judges. this can be a challenge. our probation folks at the beginning were willing to try something new. if you and i both going to the office and make a proposal, we get arrested. it does not matter who we are. we are both -- that is why i think this program works. offenders think they are being treated fairly. law enforcement guys -- they were willing to serve. once we got data showing fewer new arrests, they were sold on it at that point. those are the three groups.

judges, probation officers, and law enforcement. prosecutors slick it because there is a common ability. defense likes it because there clients do not go to prison as much. >> i got some initial blowback from prosecutors. they thought we would have all these probation hearings. i was attorney general at the time and i made a commitment. i will stand by people to take care of those hearings for you. i promise it will not be an issue. that is how i dealt with it. i had force in the major communities. aspect,the 24/7 because we're are testing for alcohol, the typical holding period is only 24 hours anyway. we have streamlined it to the point that, for the first

violation, we hold them 12 hours and let them go. just 12 hours, then they are released. the second time, they are held 24 hours. now, the judges don't see anybody. they don't see the judge unless it is their third offense. then, something is probably going to happen. because then they are getting into that aspect of a case where they are starting to be identified as somebody who cannot quit, rather than just rules.g to beat the >> any other questions? sir? richard -- this question is for judge long. during the first decade anniversary, 10 years of hope -- if you take a step back and look muchars forward, how bigger and larger can this

initiative's bread around the country? thinking about 5 million people on probation for 2 million people in prison? think about how many people you think would you well on this program. how big would you like to go and how do you go forward with the next 10 years? get a good idea of what should be on the accelerator. so, we are hopeful. we will start a pretrial highlight. i think that in 10 years, there is a chance that this will be the way that pretrial probation is done in most parts of the country. we need more data. we need more randomized studies. andone looks at hawaii thinks that we sit under palm trees with my ties. they are nice criminals. we have the same criminal problems as everywhere else. it is not a judge all day. it is a human nature thing.

czar's officeug has been very helpful. there has been a good use of the bully pulpit to expunge. people recognize it. the more research you have, the better. so, i really think that as we show the savings, washington state is showing huge savings in not having people sit for 3-4 days. once the crime rate does not go up, ella. on. i am very optimistic about the future. now with the data rolling in, it is just a matter time. >> i would like to pick up on this too. about rich baum and his role. 24/7, have been part of the u.s. federal strategy since 2010. omdbc has been very

important. it is very much appreciated. i want to follow-up on the comment about doing this for everybody. really, the whole model and the 24/7 are not for the person who does something once, as a relatively minor offense, comes into probation and does well and goes out, and that is the end of it. it is for the people who have problems. who have repeated offenses, who have not gotten that message. who have serious substance abuse problems. it is not saying everybody in relation is going to do hope. is saying hope is for the high-risk people. hope is for the people who do not get it quickly. you notice that steve was talking -- he has 8000 people in probation. hope is 2000. drug courts are 200. not everybody.

it is the tough and we are talking about. that is where the recidivism is. that is where the high costs are. that is where this value is. i think that is really important. it is not everybody who is in hope was on probation or parole. >> following up on that -- 20% of any group is responsible for 80% of the use or the product. theation and parole across country is probably responsible for half of the hard drug use around the country. we could have a real impact on the amount used. ons could have a real impact terrorist type drug cartels in mexico. because the demand is fueling our community. >> if there are no more questions, let me just ask one last one.

oh, yes? sir? >> thank you very much. with the national highway transportation safety administration. i want to thank all three panelists for this very important presentation. first, from my perspective, i am therested in that part of substance abuse problem that takes place on our highways, which is an important one. recognize the benefits of 24/7. we do not have programs that have the potential that 24/7 has. so, our leaders -- we don't have authority to implement across the country. states and communities to that. we're trying to lead in this direction. the scalability issue is a big one for us. demonstrate toto

other communities that are hard for them to handle greater volumes of serious offenders. anything about the potential outside scale of such programs? handleuch programs potentially hundreds of thousands of offenders? well, i -- sioux falls is the biggest community i have ever lived in. [laughter] so, i start from there. the largest problem they have is parking. if you are going to test more than 600 people at the same site, you need to have a big parking lot. that much i know. there is a that

pellet going on in des moines, for example. which is so much larger. i have understood that there is one going on somewhere in communities in florida, which i am sure is larger than des moines. and, i guess i have to go back. you have to pick a spot with a big parking lot. but -- you can scale back the target audience. we scaled back. with ated only with dui prior conviction. we knew from the numbers in south dakota how many people that was statewide. we also knew how many was by county. at least when we started the numbers, we would never go higher than that. now, what turned out was, the judges immediately started seeing the efficacy of using it for situations other than

driving. there is a huge correlation between domestic abuse and alcohol abuse. and, so, the judges were using it there too. they were using a per board queries and theft and other misconduct. and, it produces great benefits there as well. so -- course, not telling stories in school. happyas not particularly with us for using their money to deal with spouse abuse and bur glars. but, we work that out. the bottom line is, you have to pick a spot and try it. if you want me to fly to florida and speak -- [laughter] >> let me thank each of the panel members. it was a true privilege for me to sit here with people who had such distinguished careers and who have devoted such a large part of their careers to coming

up with a solution. the problems of morbidity and mortality on our highways. these join me in thanking them for coming here. [applause] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] indiana governor mike pence. then a forum featuring the candidates in the senate race in georgia. week, special primetime programming on the c-span network grid monday on c-span, from glasgow, a debate over

scottish independence. then on tuesday, issue spotlight on irs targeting consumer groups. wednesday night, the principle of hartford, connecticut's magnet school on educating children from disadvantaged backgrounds. thursday, the house budget committee hearing on federal, state, and private poverty programs. friday night, native american history. on c-span2 next week, book tv in prime time. monday at 8:30, discussion about school choice. tuesday night, writer john o'brien on his book. withednesday, an interview the author of a biography about neil armstrong. thursday night, a tour of the headquarters of simon & schuster. withn friday, in-depth congressman ron paul. on american history tv on c-span3, monday, the reconstruction era and civil rights. tuesday, the end of world war ii and the atomic bomb.

wednesday night, the 25th anniversary of the fall of the berlin wall. thursday, look at how american attitudes about world war i changed. documentaryy, nasa about the 1969 apollo moon landing. find our television schedule one week in advance. let us know what you think about the programs you're watching. call us. --twitter or email us. join the c-span conversation. like a --like us on facebook, follow us on twitter. a discussion on race in america, following the shooting of an unarmed teen, michael brown. and the protests and unrest in ferguson, missouri. eanorrogram includes el clift, armstrong williams, and georgetown university law

professor, paul butler. yourways, we will take calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. "washington journal" is next. ♪ this morning on "the washington journal," a three-hour discussion about race in america. in about an hour we will have some guests out here to continue the discussion, but the first hour is devoted to your phone calls. if you