the republican party, as we look into this falls collection, has a very deep bench. i'm always very humbled to be mentioned among a long list of very accomplished men and women in our party but i think are part of a rising generation of leadership. you know i served 12 years on capitol hill. i have served about a year and a half as the governor in the state of indiana. thatmore sure than ever what will save our country will come from our state capitals. republican governors across the country, i hope more republican-led states are really leading the way with the kinds of results that are demonstrating that when you click these commonsense republican principles into practice, it all works. i'm very optimistic about the future. i'm obviously very humbled and

grateful to be among the company of so many accomplished men and women across the country. i like our chances. given how unpopular congress is in the approval ratings, would it be a mistake for the party to nominate someone in washington now? would be a mistake for our party to continue to look to washington, d.c. as the place where we are going to solve many of the intractable problems facing our country. it is less about where the leadership emerges from than it is about the focus. to some extent, our party in the last quarter century has become as washington-centric as the democratic party. inmy short tenure here message to our party, my message to policy

leaders on capitol hill is very simple. regain theicans senate and when republicans regained the white house in 2016, it will not be enough to simply cut government spending in washington. i think it is incumbent on our party to promote policies that can permanently reduce the size and scope of the federal government and restore to the states the resources and flexibility to solve problems for the people of their own jurisdictions. i really believe in areas from education to health care to transportation, states are simply better equipped to forlop innovative solutions the challenges that our nation is facing. it's notd, i would say so much about where that leadership comes from, but my hope is that our party being the republican party, a party that truly believes in the

constitutional framework of the 10th amendment and beyond, will look to the states as those laboratories of innovation and return and restore resources and power to the states. >> looming over 2016 is hillary clinton. what are her strengths? what are your weaknesses? how do republicans beat clinton? be reading you very intently to find out. >> i had the occasion to work in secretary -- around clinton for many years. she's obviously an immense political talent.

the american people are less interested in public men and women talking about what is wrong with the other side than in talking about what is right with their side. my hope is that in this falls elections and in any future elections, our party will put out a positive, substantive agenda of solutions grounded in republican principles, but i think that is what will carry the day more than criticisms or comparisons with the competition, whoever that might be. >> speaking of issues that are going to carry the day, this , there is a lot of discussion about what to do about immigration and how to appeal to the growing hispanic population in the country. in the last few weeks, republicans voted to rescind president obama's daca program. would you have voted for that?

do you think it was a good idea to take that vote in the house? >> i've got my hands full in indiana. i will stay focused on indiana policy. >> is that something you would support? >> i will avoid hypotheticals about a job i used to have, but i will tell you. i think you've known me long enough to know, i knew wade in on this debate in 2006 when i was chairman of the house conservative caucus. i worked with senator kay bailey hutchison to craft what i thought was a principal non-amnesty 21st century guestworker program that frankly had an awful lot of people at every end of the spectrum very intrigued. to this day, i still believe that by saying no to amnesty,

making a strong commitment to border security, there is a way that we could, working with private sector firms, create a 21st century guestworker program. i proposed it eight years ago. i still believe it's an idea whose time will come. i think that ronald reagan was right when he said a nation without borders is not a nation. we have to commit ourselves to border security. we have to commit ourselves to enforcing the rule of law. as this economy continues to get back on its feet, i really do believe that part of the is a modernlution 21st century guestworker program that can operate as a public and private partnership between the federal government and many private placement firms. i believeplan that someday we will return to, and i think it reflects the american people's commitment to the rule

of law and also commitment to creating a system that honors those who would like to come into our country temporarily and make a contribution to our economy and return home. >> you said no amnesty. what does that mean? does that mean to legal status for people who are here illegally? >> i have always believed that withould not reward people citizenship whose first step into this country was a violation of the law. i continue to hold that view. let me say, i think there is plenty of room here for compassion, and there is plenty of room for crafting a solution that will deal with this issue in the long-term. back, tell you, looking even though i remember when i made this proposal -- i think someone wrote a favorable column

about it, and when our own hometown newspaper "the it,anapolis star" endorsed when you are equally being criticized by the hard right and hard left, you might be onto something. i still think we were. when president bush said there had to be a rational middle ground between mass deportation and amnesty, i think we came pretty close to finding it. is again committing to sitting amnesty aside. commit to strong border security and internal enforcement. as we do those things, i think there would be room to deal with the future needs of the country by crude -- by creating a 21st century guestworker program in partnership with employment placement firms. creating a legal avenue for people to visit our country, participate in our economy, and

to be able to return to their own country under the color of the law, that would allow our border security personnel to really focus on those who are attempting and would attempt to come into our country outside the law. >> you have often defined yourself as a so-called jack kemp republican. as you look towards the midterms, perhaps towards 2016, how do republicans and yourself address the growing divide between the rich and the poor? do you have to take a different position on the minimum wage? do you have to have a real anti-poverty plan? what is the answer for republicans on these issues? >> i appreciate you mentioning jack kemp. not only was he a hero of mine when i first sought public office in the 1980's, but jack and joanne became very dear friends of karen ann mine in the years i served in the same role in the congress that he served. he was house conference

chairman. i said after he passed that the debt our party owes to jack kemp can only be repaid by relentless imitation of his example. his example was, as you know, grounded in the founding of the republican party. our party was founded by abraham lincoln and others on the simple ofnciple of equality opportunity. jack kemp understood that. he knew that the message of a society where there was opportunity for all, to create the kind of economic policies that would open up the american dream for every american knew no boundaries. i think the key going forward is not about changing policies, but it's about changing the way that we communicate those policies

and the way that we are willing to carry those policies into .very community in this country everybody longs for the american dream. my grandfather came to this country and got off the boat on ellis island and moved to chicago. i data help to build a small gas station in southern indiana. we all long for that. jack understood that. the pathway forward at the core of our party is not about offering with the other party offers minus 10%, but it is about offering a positive and optimistic solution that says american prosperity is available for everyone. we want to create those throughns and policies, education, economic incentives, .xpanded job opportunities , federalor, this week

judge rebuked you personally on the gay marriage issue in indiana, saying you couldn't both say that you are not responsible for enforcing the law and issue orders to executive agencies in indiana related to same-sex marriage. do you think that in 2016 the republican nominee needs to be someone who is firmly opposed to same-sex marriage? >> let me say i support traditional marriage and will continue to hold that view. >> is it possible to support traditional marriage and be open to same-sex marriage? >> let me say, let them finish my comment. i support traditional marriage and will always hold that view. i have long believed that issues of this nature are best decided by the people, not the courts, but this is now before the courts. the state of indiana now is in that has of litigation

moved its way into the court of appeals and will be part of the supreme court's consideration. as i said in evansville a couple of days ago with some constituents, while my views are what they are, i want hoosiers to know that we will uphold the rule of law. when the lower court made their decision, we took action to .mplement that decision when the court of appeals stated that decision, we took the same position. now the supreme court will make this decision, and as one who believes in the rule of law, i want my constituents to know that our administration will uphold the rule of law and respect the decisions of the court going forward. >> governor, he asked you about the politics of this. maybe make it a little more narrow. let's say somebody like senator

rob portman of ohio who supports same-sex marriage, he was the republican nominee or the vice president nominee. is that a ticket you could support? >> i never answer questions that are hypotheticals. you know better than that. my point is, can the republican party moving forward be comfortable with a politician , could you be comfortable with a politician, a leader who supports a different view than yours on marriage? you,ain, i would just tell thatnk this is an issue will be decided, as it has been for centuries, by the people. i have always believed that issues of this nature will impact our society. this is now before the courts.

the supreme court of the united states at some point in the foreseeable future will either decide that this is an issue that can be resolved at the state level, out of respect for federalism, or they will make a , and i wantcision my constituents to know that we will uphold the rule of law in indiana. we will move forward. >> what about foreign policy? we see a lot of unrest in the middle east with isis in northern iraq and syria. what should the president be doing? what would you be doing? time's an extraordinary and global events. consequence the policies of this administration

that has made withdrawals from afghanistan and iraq. i think that has sent the wrong message to the wrong elements in that part of the world. while i was in germany i said that rather than one more harsh condemnation or tend to coalesce europe behind some tepid sanctions what we ought to be or him him and doing is passing him and him the transit link did -- transatlantic trade authority. it sends a very strong message to russia about our commitment economically. this was offended by the administration. i do hold the view that weakness

arouses evil. the perception of american withdrawals, america pulling back, i truly do believe it has emboldened the enemy's of freedom. it will be by communicating a stronger commitment to our allies to our stronger economic relations. with regard to iraq, during my years in the congress i traveled to iraq and afghanistan 10 different kinds. i have spent time to see the extraordinary tragedy this week that took lace.

our hearts go out to his family. the u.s. must respond. in a forceful way to support efforts to drive isis out of the rack. there has been a change now in baghdad. it is absolutely essential that the president provides the kind of leadership and military support that will ensure that the iraqi that was secured by much american sacrifice is intact. >> does not need boots on the ground? >> i would leave that to military experts to decide. when you see the rise of a motorist, secretary hagel said it is far beyond some small terrorist organization. i think it is absolutely

essential working with allies in europe and across the region that we come together. we find a way not just simply to focus on this atrocity this week but that we literally bring justice to this murderous army that we restore peace and stability and integrity. >> live about five minutes left. >> we have all watched what has gone on and ferguson, missouri. do you been the amount of military like assets that have been handed down has gone too far. >> like every american it has been very troubling. my heart goes out to the family of michael around in particular

in -- and everyone who has been caught up in the turmoil of the last several weeks. as governor of the state of indiana, it is not my place to judge the response by the law enforcement community or the state of missouri in that case. >> the question was do you think that local leased departments, that it is accepted for them to have some of these military like pieces of equipment? >> it is important that they have the ability protect

themselves while they are protecting our families and communities. i know there has been a lot of focus on the logistics of that. i do not want to pass judgment on the decisions that were made by the local law enforcement. ibm is important that all of us keep this family -- i think it is important that all of us keep the families and allow the system of justice to do the work. i have every confidence that the justice system in missouri will be able to bring forward the facts and determine what is rick wired in this case.

my mind goes back to that day in april 1968 when bobby kennedy was here in indianapolis. it was a day martin luther king junior had been assassinated. bobby kennedy announced to a large crowd that dr. king had died. i thing every american would do well to read through it this week. he spoke words in the moment that are not only historic that spoke to the hearts of the people of our community in indianapolis. he challenged everyone to pray and return home. and all of us to find ways to come together after difficult for consensus. >> i will and where i began on

politics. a lot of ambitious republicans are hitting the campaign trail. can we expect you to travel around the country and help out with republican candidates? >> i have been doing that. i'm delighted to be a part of the republican governors association. we have some fantastic candidate running for election and reelection. as we move into full-scale elections after labor day, the ones in indiana allow me to do it. i will be traveling around the country. particularly at the state level. when you put these republican principles into practice it still works. the progress we are seeing in education are all a result of the act that we are putting

these into practice. i love telling that story. >> governor mike pence, thank you for being our newsmaker. >> let me turn back to our reporters. >> i think these are better than a lot of old realize. he is floating at the fringe of a discussion. there are bigger personalities out there. rand paul who are getting more headlines. he is a social conservative. there should be a litmus test or anything during they could be seen as a candidate who could rise later in the race.

>> who ever it is should come from the state level. do you think that is a re-teaming quality for voters for the republican base? >> it is clear that democrats who are angry look at the congressional approval ratings. it is not a surprise to hear a governor say that this ought to come from the state capital. have to a coalesce a lot of the parties various elements. it can be harder to do when you have a day job running the state governor. sometimes it is that are poised. i think parents would come into this with the network

established in washington. >> what about americans for prosperity? he has been there. >> he is someone who speaks the language of movement conservatism. >> he is someone who speaks the language of movement conservatism. even though he is an outsider now, he started his career as a soft-spoken rush limbaugh. he has a nice pattern.

his very disciplined him what he says and does not say. he is poised to be someone who could win hearts on the right. >> is he somebody that is going to get activists excited? >> he's not somebody who is a bombthrower like ted cruz. he is not an ideological hardliner. he's going to have to navigate a passage on a lot of these things. >> his gubernatorial record coming he came out of the gate in 2010 for christy and really started to have these reforms that that nationwide attention. hence it's pretty low-key. he does not have a record to distract access.

>> he's very careful about what he doesn't say. he was very careful in his response to you. >> is very careful on immigration and gay marriage. he made it clear that he is somebody who personally is not for same-sex marriage. he did not draw some of the harder lines on that that you. >> what does that mean for 2016? >> he is leaving himself a lots of leeway. his drawing that space for himself later. he wants to come out and be a hardliner and some of those issues. a year from now he can do so

without being, without looking like a flip flopper. he can say that he will respect the rule of law. >> republicans do not get the southern border issue addressed. if you look at their just irks, a very small percentage of hispanic voters, it was not going to hurt them in the elections. they're representing 2016 though. how are republicans going to balance that issue of trying to get the members reelected? >> it is a difficult balance. he talks about how he is opposed to a pack of legalization is not

want to warn those who came here illegally. what is compassion? he did not articulate them to demonstrate the passion. this is going to be the questions they have to answer. it may not be important to get off the base. if you want to build a national coalition you have to build policies. >> we will leave it there. thank you both. >> thank you. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] wax tomorrow, a look at how the health care law has been implemented in southern states. speakers will include former vice chairman of federal reserve alice rivlin. we will hear from the online news website via lakhs.