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>> i want to thank everyone for coming today. my name is jamie horwitz, member of the national press club and the newsmaker committee. on behalf of the club and committee, i want to thank you for joining us for this very special newsmaker, an unprecedented newsmaker. we will hear from two federal immigration judges this morning. before i introduce our guest, i want to take care of a little housekeeping. we have usual rules. for this particular newsmaker we have unusual rules. the usual are to questions each. members of the press club and

any credentialed journalists may ask questions. we ask that you identify yourself and any news organization and will recognize you if you have a question. the unusual rules -- i should say that our guests, although both are federal judges, they are here in the capacity as leaders of the national association of immigration judges, affiliate of the national federation of affiliates and technical engineers, the union that represents not just immigration judges but other judges like administrative judges in d.c. and social security judges and others in the private sector. so if you quote our guest today, you should reference the fact that they were here as leaders at the national association of

immigration judges. also, what would i newsmaker be on an issue related to the law if we did not have a legal disclaimer? you should know they are participating solely as officers and are not representing the views of the department of justice or the executive office for immigration review, the views they might express or their own, which we will perform after consultation of the membership of the naiha. so now that we have that out of the way, let me tell you a little bit about our guest today. these two women hold the top offices in the national association of immigration judges. they have held those fort 12

years. in that capacity they regularly speak to colleagues that are immigration judges throughout the united states. denise noonan slaven has spent 20 years as a judge and works as a krome detention center in miami. prior to that served as a prosecutor for ins. she worked for the department of justice. the criminal division bringing to justice nazi war criminals in the united states. dano lee marks is a 27 year judge raised in san francisco. prior to that an attorney where she specialized in immigration and where she also was the lead counsel in the landmark supreme court case that set the applicable standards for asylum cases. so first, we will hear from judge marks. >> welcome, everyone. hang onto your hats because

today the judge and i will take you on a whirlwind two were -- tour of an alternate legal universe. you may think you recognize the terrain but the normal laws basic to everyday events do not seem to function as they do in other places as we expect them to. i am talking about looking through the looking glass world of immigration courts. experienced lawyers are surprised to encounter many of the things i will tell you about today. most members of the public do not have a clue about the realities of the world. when they do come face to face with the laws, they are often dismayed. any fan of a crime drama and recite the miranda warnings given when someone is arrested. you have the right to an attorney, and if you cannot afford 1, 1 will be appointed for you. not true and immigration courts. there is no right to appointed