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written's national interest to do so or what would be required to change his mind? >> i don't think there's any difference between what the german chancellor is saying and what i am saying. if the kurds were to make a specific request, we would look favorably because we think they need to be top early armed and equipped to deal with the threat they face. the european union has failed to adequately respond to russia's flagrant aggression in ukraine, not even stopping the imminent deliver early of assault ships to russia. doesn't the nato summit need to offer stronger symbol and those amphibious assault vehicles to nato and not russia? >> that is an interesting suggestion which i can take on board. it is not easy to get 28 countries around the table to agree on sanctions and try to do that at the same time as the united states of america. but by and large in the recent
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weeks and months, that is what we have done. while of course i want sanctions to go further and have a greater effect, they have had an effect and are bringing pressure to bear. we need to signal not to let more russians appear that would accept or give up, but turned the ratchet and russia would suffer permanently from increasing economic isolation that follows. >> the prime minister will be aware a number of individuals, including two for my own constituency have traveled to join the fight with isis. how was the young man able to obtain a u.k. passport using commercial means through the eu to fight and does he have full confidence in the u.k. border force and assure us there have been no serious lapses in their existing checking procedures, particularly given the numbers we have seen going to fight? >> i will certainly look at the
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individual case the honorable gentleman produces. we could not have given clear instructions about confiscating passports, or venting travel. a number of people have been prosecuted, but we need to do everything we can and war to stop this from happening. given the situation in the ukraine, when will the prime minister invest a committing toward pre-positioning of ,quipment toward the baltic ensuring there is british battalion under the command of the supreme allied commander of europe to be deployed in rapid reaction and ensure we make a binding, statutory, long-term commitment to 2% of gdp on defense? >> i welcome this questioning her -- and congratulate my honorable friend on his election to head up the defense support committee in this house.
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many suggestions will be addressed at the nato conference. i think it's very important when russia looks at countries like -- like estonia, latvia or poland, they don't just the estonian, latvian and polish soldiers. articleto make real the five commitments we have and that is very important. to help with steps baltic air patrolling and those were gravely received by those countries concerned. are oned of the fact we of the few countries in europe, to at the last count that meet the 2% defense spending. we should urge others to do the same. >> is the prime minister aware his words would be much more credible if his view and reading as allory was as good the garbage it drops out?
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namely, 12 months ago, this prime minister stood at this box and try to get the house of commons to join in in order to il guerrillasthe is against assad. had it not been for the labour party, he would have been cracked on this. he wants to get on his hands and knees and fight the labour party for not taking britain dan that route -- down that route. >> my memory of the discussions we had a year ago was about the use of chemical weapons and my reading of history is the use of chemical weapons is wrong and we should not turn away from the >> of chemical weapons will
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i congratulate you on the robust stance of pointing out the poisonous nature of their ideology, but let me suggest to my right old friend that represents a substantial threat to the continued integrity of iraq will stop airstrikes have been successful importing the further advance will stop would it not be better if we joined in that measure? as far as ukraine is concerned, i repeat my plea to him that he uses this weekend's conference to get a maritime force to deter engaging in attacks question mark >> we support the action americans have taken to assist the iraqi authority and kurdish authority to beat back and we have assisted in our own way to the humanitarian aid we have delivered and intelligence in support we have given to the americans. ukraine, i don't
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think that is the right approach. , natould be demonstrating stands behind all of its members and should be demonstrating that nato has important partnerships with countries like ukraine and that should not stop us from having exercises in ukraine as we will be later this year. solution iseve the a military solution. what we want is a de-escalation of the military situation and an escalation of the political solution recognizing the ukrainian people must be able to choose their future. it is that russia is trying to deny. when did you realize the iraqi army could not heal with and when did he believe the army would be in the position to defeat? >> the weakness of the iraqi army was not based on its equipment or its training. it was based on the fact it was
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seen as a force that represented only one part of iraq and demonstrates the importance of focusing on politics as well as military issues. the iraqi army will succeed atil this happens, to have government that represents all of a rack and also very force that can make the same claim. >> don't recent events show the need for us to control our own borders and shouldn't that be central to our new relationship with the eu so their weakest border is not our border? so we arenot members, able to police independently our borders and we do that and it is indeed at our borders we are able to restrict people from coming in. ofwell as the prerogative taking passports away, we will be able to do that at the borders as well. >> i hope the prime minister will accept know is more opposed
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to terrorism as my constituency. that to be a agree british citizen is very precious and we need to be very careful about interfering with the rights of other citizens if the security services know enough to finger them to say they cannot come into the country, why can't we arrest them and subject into our general loss? if we don't subject all british citizens to our general laws, isn't there a possibility other countries may not attach enough significance to british citizenship? >> i very much respect the gentleman's views and i agree the best outcome when you are faced with a terrorist threat is to make sure you can gather
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evidence, prosecute and convict those that threaten your country. but what successive governments have found is that when you are facing this exit stencil terrorist threat is not enough, which is why there were in the past control orders, which is why you have to take extraordinaire he measures sometimes like the prerogative on taking passports away. if you take the case of a jewel some oneyou can strip of their nationality, that is what we do today. that's why they have to address any potential gap in our armory, to keep our country safe. >> can i commend the prime minister on his diplomatic security and humanitarian efforts to help the people of kurdistan with the threat of i of isil.ith the threat any british citizen is pledging , theirnce to isil
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passport should be withdrawn immediately. but it is worth listening to my honorable friend and i'm grateful for the travel he undertook to the kurdish regional authority and the work he's doing to build our relationship with the minister. i think is hugely helpful and i will listen carefully to the other point he makes. >> could the prime minister explain why the british government did not support the call made by the united nations commission for human rights for the investigation into war crimes in gaza? nationsother european have abstained on that vote and why others are going ahead. meantime, the spike 2000 people dying in gaza, doesn't he think it's time to ask -- to suspend arms deals with israel because of the appalling loss of
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life in gaza and continued occupation of the west bank and continued death of palestinian land by the israeli occupying forces? right thatay it is these claims and points are properly investigated and they should be. the reason for not voting for this specific motion was that it was unbalanced will stop that city many countries to. in terms of arms exports to israel, the government has reviewed all existing export licenses to israel, the vast majority were not for items that could be used by israeli forces. 12 licenses right to divide which could be part of equipment and no new licenses or military quitman were issued during that review time, so that's the approach we have taken and we think it has been sensible and balanced. >> donald has indicated he is
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ready to support my right honorable friend's land to introduce welfare payments to welfare workers from migrant states. does this not demonstrate it's possible for the u.k. under my right honorable friend leadership to negotiate real and positive changes in relationships with the european union? >> i agree with my right old rent. with respect to his announcement it is wiseink counsel in this house and his party. what he said is the european union and i personally will respond to concerns signaled by great britain. i talked about this to david cameron and i think they can be accepted by sensible politicians in europe will stop he added regarding the search for a
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compromise aiming to eliminate abuse and the free flow of labor, it's a positive statement and i look forward to working with them in the future. >> the prime minister has said there are russian troops on the ground in the ukraine which gives a lie to what president putin has said. --ce russia's behavior in behaving like an international terror or innovation, the following question i asked in he not now on ambiguously finally say without any element of uncertainty that in theho were involved murder and corruption are not welcome in this country? it's straightforward, they are not welcome, end of story. >> i have not got the letter in front of me, but i don't have anything to add to the letter. clear the russian authorities have not told the
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truth about the situation in ukraine. can i thank my right honorable friend for not urging upon us despite revocations a whole slew of new legislation or to take up the desire to rewrite old legislation as though it were new legislation, but to target his thoughts on one or two specific areas? will he make sure the deliberations he is suggesting is as wide as possible and we take time to get it right rather than rush it through to achieve a quick result? friend'sd my right old calming tones on the radio this morning, it sets the tone for my whole mood today. -- i don't that believe in knee-jerk responses. we are a country under the law. we have very firm rules in this
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area and what is required is changes that margin to fill in the gaps we have identified. should spend we too long debating and discussing them, but if there are gaps, they need to be filled quite urgently. why is he still sending weapons to the netanyahu government in israel while being so slow to arm the kurds and refusing to arm the legitimate government of ukraine? >> we are operating the legislation which was put toward by the government of which he was a member. >> does the prime minister agree that one of the main reasons why nato successfully deterred and contained the then soviet union from 1949 to 1989 was that the rulers and the kremlin were in no doubt at all that an attack on one nato country would inevitably mean war with all the rest? , would he bear
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in mind the fact that at the nato summit that nato membership, however hardhearted this may seem must never be weered to a country unless are prepared to go to war to defend the country? think my honorable friend speaks very good sense about this. article five obligations are deadly serious and we would have to meet them if a nato member was invaded i another country. the point he makes is a good one. the summer, the ukrainian prime minister said forcefully to me that whereas pro-russian rebels are fully and adequately armed, his own forces, do notn have all the materials they need. will you tell us what military advice we are giving to the government of ukraine and what
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military assistance are we giving? the assistance we have given to ukraine to date has been in technical and other governmental areas. we stand open to having discussions with them on a military to military bases, but providing arms has not in part of our plan. policy of talking loudly is harrying a small stick often found wanting quite quickly. does the prime minister concede cutting 20,000 front-line troops risks sending the wrong message both to our potential adversaries and to our nato partners as he rightly prepares to increase their defense spending? >> i'm afraid i don't agree with my honorable friend. we have had to make difficult decisions to deal with the deficit. but no one can describe a 33 billion pound defense budget, one of the top five budgets
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anywhere in the world as a small stick. because we have undertaken difficult decisions, we've got a new aircraft carrier with another to follow will stop we have the type 45 destroyers, the best equipped armies we've had for many years and a whole new range of aircraft for the raf. size andnly have that stored of stick if you take the difficult decisions elsewhere in your budget. >> the decision was the wrong policy taken for the wrong reason. the relocation element. on the international dimension, it is right to learn lessons from the past, but it's wrong to be imprisoned by the past. decision on by the the iraq war or the decision
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last year on military intervention in syria. in the light of what has happened in recent months, will the prime minister consider taking a new mandate from parliament which begins not by ruling options out or looking over our shoulders, but by exercising leadership and confronting the threat we face here and now? >> eyes so much agree with the right old joe and that we need to learn the lessons of the past but must -- but must not be imprisoned item. the whole tone of the debate today is that yes, it is for those in the region, the iraqi government, the kurds and neighbors to lead the charge against squeezing this appalling america,ion, britain, france and others should use all the tools in our toolkit to help them do that. we have to make a judgment of how we best do that on the ground and the judgment has been to provide the aid, provide
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military support. the americans have gone further and provided air strikes. orders,ssue of control the independent reviewer of terrorist legislation said there's no need to put the clock back. the majority of changes has civilized the control orders system without making it less effective. understand the control orders were being run ragged and the courts. the system and we have improved it. >> do you share the analysis that to address the appalling consequences of the collapse of state authority in much of the middle east and north africa, we are going to have to get competing nationstates to cooperate together. that means he ran, turkey, saudi arabia and russia have to be gotten a place where they can cooperate in the united states and european union will stop it will involve ugly compromises we have already made.
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the policy objection of getting those in the same place to have a place to address this disaster. agree with what my honorable friend says about the importance of getting nations that have not previously cooperated to cooperate with each other. we should get them to step up to the plate and do more with the problems in their own area. as the member across the aisle just said, there are times when we have to look at our own responsibilities and we should do that at the same time. >> i welcome the prime minister's decision to place the channel program on a long-standing recommendation of the committee and he's right to focus on the obligation to return. the obligation to return resulted in mohammed occam med mohammed coming back from smalley a and he is now in
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forces at large. from kenya wask tragic consequences. the principle of looking at this is extremely important. can i urge you to please make sure we have an engagement with the community itself in terms of domestic harrison? >> i very much agree with both of the points. it has been very noticeable in in british how many muslim communities have come forward to condemn isil in incredibly strong terms and that is usually welcome. i take the point about the recommendations on the channel we are putting in place. >> if islamic terrorism is the greatest threat we face, surely our best policies to maximize a coalition of the willing in the
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world not to fight a two front they are annex essential threat to the russian state in chechnya, i wonder if my right honorable friend think there is a role for the bridge prime minister who is not a party to the dispute in this area to broker a deal based on or federal moves for eastern ukraine? >> i don't agree with my right honorable friend about that. where he is right is that russia faces a threat from islamist extremism, but so far, i have seen insufficient evidence they want to work with international partners to follow that through another theaters. recently in syria, it's obvious to me brutality and the lack of support to the responsible opposition has helped ferment the problem, and that is something where vladimir putin
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and i would take completely different sides. ? >> is theoward prime minister accept that increasingly young muslims are being radicalized not in moscow and the madrasah but online? in threatening to revisit the communications data legislation, would he agree we need to go even further with close international partners in bringing the communication service providers to a realization that they bear responsibility for their platforms being used for illegal purposes? >> i think the right old showman is absolutely right will stop there is no doubt a lot of radicalization is taking place online, by people watching videos or preachers or what have you, often on the other side of the world. we work leslie with international service providers in the issue of child photography and they have agreed
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in that theater as it were to take some radical action, including banning altogether particular search terms. they are taking action in terms of extremism, but there is more we can do by working with them and saying this is not a threat to free speech but is appalling, some of the videos shown on the internet. >> what recent discussions have the prime minister or his ministers had with the leaders of mainstream muslim organizations in this country to make sure they are taking as robust a stance as possible in a batting radicalization? >> i'm very grateful to my honorable friend for asking this will stop the government has taken a real lead on this issue and with others and support across the house on numbers of i think you can see the difference will stop i
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thought the response to the murder spoke volumes about how the overwhelming majority of british muslims aboard the sort of appalling behavior. >> would it be conceivable not to have an early debate on this subject? is he aware that among the is content among young asians in my constituency to perceive weakness over gaza and the reluctance to distance ourselves from israel. could we combat this bully from russia? bullies, our countries history reminds us, if they are not faced how they continue to
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believe. president putin, if he is looking at our remarks today from the premise are, it's not exactly going to be terrified, is he? >> i'm sure the authorities would have listened to the finde and i'm sure we can a way to have a proper debate and that will be worthwhile. on the issue of newton and russia, what we have to do is make known the fact that russia needs europe and america more than europe and america need russia. i'm not promising that sanctions will lead to a radical change of mind in the kremlin, but if they can see they are opting for a completely different and much colder relationship between the west and russia, that mike and -- that might make them positive think they're not allowing the right decision to let ukrainians make their own decisions about their own country. does the prime minister agree with me that removing passports from harassed returning from syria and iraq, barring dangers
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andign nationals legislating to prosecute all types of terrorist activities is not a knee-jerk response, but a sensible and prudent approach to keep written safe? >> the first response should be to gather evidence to prosecute and convict. ofhave learned in this age the appalling threat of islamic extremist violence -- not least because the people carrying it see but seek what they means we have two of our response. we have lots of very effective laws and rules. but we do need to enhance them. i welcome what the premise her said, particularly about blocking foreign fighters in the u.k..
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france, a 400 from germany, many traveling on eu passports, is the prime minister confident the data and intelligence sharing arrangements are in place, comprehensive and robust, so these eagle could be identified if they travel to the u.k. or anyone else -- or anywhere else? think the data sharing is good, but it could be a lot better. looking at the passenger name records which has been held up by a number of countries, including terminate, which we do , which iske progress vitally important in keeping us safe. >> i recently organized a meeting of local somali representatives with home office officials. to discuss their really deep concerns about attentional radicalization's of young
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people. agreemy young friends with me that more can then must be done to engage in work with local communities like some always so they can be part of the battle? >> i think my honorable friend puts it very well. thisse of what we face is cancer of islamist extremism. weshould use everything have, including the many interventions we make in the world to help predominately muslim societies to demonstrate what an open country britain is. britain is one of the principal aid donors to people in syria and we need to make sure people in all parts of this country, this fact and figures and that outlook of the british government is how poorly understood. [inaudible]
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conference of sexual exploitation of women in war. there are over 3000 of them by isiseated abominably and being sold as sex slaves to the brothels of the middle east. what are we doing to help those women? there's a big public outcry. womenbout the 3000 plus being treated this way and are finding it difficult and less they can be returned to their own community. ministerif the prime would consider what france has done, offering a silent to some of these people. honorable lady is right
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to raise the case of the people by thesepersecuted barbaric thugs from isil. we have been helping the refugee camps and making sure they are properly built and prepared in northern iraq. we have also undertaken a huge humanitarian operation when they were stuck on the mountain. fundamentally, the best way is to help there is an iraqi government able to confront isil and make sure minorities are looked after and not prosecutors. >> today is the 50th anniversary of the establishment of the royal anglian regiment. they had pre-territorial italians and just one reserve battalion. does the prime minister think it sets an increasingly dangerous role at home and overseas that it is not in the best interest army to wearitish
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a was 200 years ago? >> i don't agree with my honorable friend for this reason -- it is in britain's interest to make sure we spend our 33 billion pound defense ajit on the assets and the things you actually need facing the conflicts we have today. the fact we have state-of-the-art for nato's able to fly over iraq and syria and gather intelligence, the fact we have revenue aircraft that can do similar things. the investment in those platforms and in the brand-new class of submarines, it is absolutely vital for our country. the size and lay down of our armed forces, unless you lay down these things, you won't have the assets for conflict that you need. >> will lead declaration following the nato summit contain strengthens -- strength and guarantees guaranteed to
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lastly it latvia, estonia and lithuania to protect them from iwton's land grabs? >> can say how delighted i am the nato conference is coming to newport and i'm sure the right gentlemen will give the many different delegations a warm welcome. i think one of the most important things at the nato conference is to send a clear signal that we take our article five designations seriously and that we should see more different nations troops in the different countries of nato to demonstrate that. >> mr. speaker, i welcome my honorable friend's commitment to article five, but i am unclear as to whether he feels that extends in any way to the situation in the ukraine. whilst i hear what he says about
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sanctions, i'm sure we will question the value of sanctions. isn't it essential that this weekend nato make it absolutely clear to -- absolutely clear to president putin that ukraine must not fall under its dominion and it's up to the ukrainian people and nato is prepared to make sure that is the case? >> i agree with my right old friend that we should make absolutely clear it's unacceptable for russia to behave in this way will stop but we should be clear about how we are going to respond. i do not believe we are contemplating or would contemplate a military response to the situation in the ukraine, so it would be wrong to threaten that. what we should be threatening is something we can and will do, which is a permanent sanctions regime getting tighter all the time that will reset the relationship russia has with the rest of the world if they continue down this path. >> i agree with the prime response tot our
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international crises should be in response to clear values. those delis should be applied consistently. the biggest land grab in the west bank is utterly deplorable. that.e with him about he also said what appears to be a land grab by president putin in ukraine must be met by economic costs to russia being stepped up. he said sanctions work and that's particularly important when a small nation is written door undermined. i invite him to apply to israel's actions in the west bank? think you can draw these parallels, but there are differences in the circumstances when you look at israel and palestine and what is happening in ukraine. not least because ukraine is a sovereign and recognized country
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today. we should make very clear our reaction is totally unacceptable , this land grab by israel. served in the no-fly zone in northern iraq and having met kurdish students during the summer, i support targeted airstrikes by the ukraine -- by the u.k. to support the u.s.. --l that take account of the by taking part in those airstrikes, it will not only be military expedient, but it will be symbolic of our support for the kurdish people. we should listen very carefully to our kurdish friends and allies because they are in the front line against this isil monster and the action they have taken has been effective at brave old stop we support the airstrikes the americans have undertaken.
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our action has been about supplying weapons and equipment, body armor and such. we are prepared to go further. minister talked about learning lessons of history. previous conservative prime minister was prepared to use risch air power in a military exercise to save the kurds. why should we leave it to the united states when the regional hasrnment has causal -- called for the whole of nato to provide air power to them to them? >> the honorable gentleman makes a good point. the question we should be asking ourselves and i'm interested in the reaction from colleagues today is what can we best do to help those on the ground doing the vital work in combating isil ? has been some military support, some support in terms of humanitarian aid, but we should continually ask
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ourselves how can we assist them in a way that helps keep us safe back here in the u.k.? >> i was appalled to learn the british terrorists interviewed on newsnight came from wycombe. would you agree this man has disgracefully betrayed the community i represent and can you assure me if he does present in the u.k., he will face the full force of the law? >> i very much agree with what my honorable friend has said. this individual is in no way representative of the hard-working british agents who contribute enormously to our country. it is shocking to read when someone born and raised in britain, schooled in our country says the only reason i want to come back to britain is to bomb and maim and kill. we should make sure we have laws and we do have laws so people
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who say it do these things can be prosecuted. the reason for asking what more is required is sometimes these cases do not come to a situation of criminal proof and get -- and yet these people threaten our country. now terrorism prevention and investigative measures, that's why we have steps tuesday trip -- steps to strip people from their passport. the response to previous questions do imply he is open to the idea of direct military participation to protect the kurds will stop can you just say so clearly now? approach described the we have taken to support american airstrikes. and the british government should act in the national interest to support the british national interest to help keep our people safe and we
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should consider everything in the light of that and considerate by asking the question how do we best help those people on the ground that are doing this vital work in .erms of countering isil on these issues, i believe in consulting with and talking to the house of commons at every stage. house would be reassured to a direct if there is threat to british national interest or as in the case of libya where we had to act rapidly, the british government must reserve the right to act the housey and inform of commons. it is important to set that out, but you have seen what the british government has done today. i'm listening or a carefully to the views in this debate. >> thank you, mr. speaker. very tragically, the only way to defeat people who are determined to carry out appalling acts
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reason, politics, economic sanctions, whatever, is to defeat them on the battlefield. donenly way that can be against isis is for someone to go in there and do it. it will belook like us, it doesn't look like it will be the americans. it's horribly not going to be the kurds. the people that seem most likely to be able to do it is the iraqi government and its armed forces. can i ask my right honorable friend if we can give as much support as we can despite it being somewhat this faithful to the iraqi armed forces that we can do the job -- so they can do the job which no one else seems to be able to do. but i think i've friend is fundamentally right -- at the end of the day, the responsibility for having a
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unified iraq without the presence of isil is the iraqi government. they need a government that includes sunni, shia and kurds. thehould not see supporting kurds as an alternative. we need an iraqi government working with the kurds to get rid of the cancer in their midst will stop >> the arguments for the withdrawal of u.k. passports -- given the strong evidence of israeli war crimes in gaza -- we've heard about 500 children killed in a terrible bombardment there, will risch citizens fighting in the idea each reading in the same way as those returning from syria and iraq? >> i don't think that is a fair or reasonable way of describing the situation. the loss ofid, civilian life was unacceptable and it is right these matters are properly investigated.
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the rockets raining down on israel, israel has a right to defend itself. comparison between a soldier fighting in the israeli defense forces and iteris returning from syria, i think he will look at his words and come to regret them. >> in the 50 day conflict between israel and hamas, 70% of the israeli population live within the range of the rockets fired from gaza. 2000 houston hands were killed in response. given that written is one of the biggest donors to the united nations relief works agency in the gaza strip have a will the prime minister work with others like the united states, egypt, the arab league to demilitarize the gaza strip so that construction, materials and steel can be imported into the strip and used to rebuild the civilian infrastructure rather than being plowed by hamas into
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developing a new terror tunnel network westmark >> i very much agree with what my honorable friend has said and in short, we need to see the rockets out, the palestinian authority in, the borders and posts open so this part of palestine can be properly regenerated. beingy of the controls proposed will only be effective if they also apply to the republic of ireland. people could enter by coming in landgh the port across the into northern ireland and into the united kingdom. what discussions has he had with the government of the irish republic on these proposals and is it intended to share intelligence with authorities in the republic or will this apply only to the ports of entry in gb? >> i think the honorable general the honorable gentleman
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makes an important point. increasing the security in the borders between the british government and irish government is stronger than it has been for many years. we should build on this by discussing these measures and making sure we can work together. occasionse different and three separate locations, weapons and were found in the u.n. in gaza. back -- giving back is a war crime in itself. it will lead to the loss of civilian population. lobbing those same rockets into israel, killing others, is also a war crime. hamas is now guilty of two were crimes. >> there can be little doubt hamas uses people to try to protect its rockets. it is a despicable thing to do. what we need is an end to the
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rocket attacks. it could lead to a better solution. >> violating and rejecting 11 cease-fires. the cease-fires have taken place, hundreds of potential -- those people are dying. the only way we will secure peace between israelis and palestinians is making sure .amas except israel >> i think the honorable gentleman is absolutely right here at a number of occasions during these conflicts, a cease-fire was either agreed or implemented, but hamas wrote it with unilateral mulch -- attacks in israel. these attacks directed by the leader of hamas, not anywhere near gaza of the time. i believe they bear the primary responsibility for what happened.
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>> the prime minister has not ruled out airstrikes. what needs to happen that has not happened so far? >> point i would make is so far, the approach we have taken, america's has -- america has been leading on airstrikes and we have been focused on those areas. on the sea, -- diplomacy, where we can most add value. we should continually ask ourselves the question, what is in the natural interest, how can we help those on the ground, how can we help not just with our partners in america, but how can we help make sure the israel -- the iraqi government and neighboring companies -- countries are in the lead?
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