that is why we now rank number one tied with two other states. and the number of students taking advanced placement tests and their performance including 13.5% of those people that come from poor backgrounds. i am proud of that, i am proud i am proud of that, i am proud graduation rates have gone up every single year since i have been governor. i am proud of the progress we are making that the kids are making and that the administrators are making and that the board of education are making. this is important stuff. if you want to talk about economic development, it's not overnight. it's built line by line, career by career. school by school. that is what we are doing. >> let me stay on that point if i can. your education reform has had some serious pushback. how much of that do you attribute to your remark about

teacher tenure that they only have to show up? >> i should admit that was bad language and it was not actually about them. you have a time in which it becomes very important and it is treated differently. i shouldn't have said it and i apologize for saying that. let's go back to the reference to governor wells. what we are doing under my administration is what massachusetts did in the 1990's under that administration. the same thing. access to prekindergarten, smaller classroom size. extended days when applicable. schools closer to where the kids are living. holding people accountable. not just teachers. at ministry was, kids, and parents. the point out governor wells success for something he started in the 90's and say

massachusetts is making progress, you're absolutely right. it has been done over time. there is this other thing that tom sometimes uses when he describes educational reform. he says i am education reform light. he wants to bring in other systems that he hasn't said a single word about about what he would do. >> i have a couple things to say here. first of all, you have just introduced maloy madness into the debate. use it spending has only gone up by 28% but you have taken out of the budget a very significant amount of money which is the federal portion of medicaid. you have taken it out of the revenue side and spending side so you're not being truthful

with the audience here. if you add that spending back end or if you take it out of the base year budget, it's gone up while -- over 4.5%. you're simply misleading people and twisting the numbers. stop doing it because the citizens deserve to know what is and is going on. if you're going to change something important to the schools, why wouldn't you include teachers and the dialogue -- in the dialogue echo teachers have the highest impact on educational outcomes. we need teachers, good teachers. we need them to feel appreciated and we need them to be well compensated. you came up with a proposal and rammed it down everybody's throats without consulting. they are the ones that will have to implement this. it's not going to work. there is a little bit of style here that's a problem. you had engage people in the dialogue. you have to believe in it. and you mandated from the capital that we are going to tell everybody what to do. guess what? under local control, a lot of schools are doing a great job in connecticut.

go to the problem and fix the schools that are broken. they rammed assessment at, core down our schools and communities that already have very good assessments, you loaded a whole new set of parameters on top of them to take away from teaching time. i'm not surprised you got some pushback. >> you have been running for governor for five years. and you don't really understand the legislative process. we have a bill that people ed in fact, the review process was led by teachers. we always have to work with teachers. and they have ignored them for times, leaving teachers in the lurch. every step of the way, nancy has met with teacher groups and individual teachers with heads of the associations to have those very discussions. and you want by district school choice and that will happen your one. what do you think it does to their pride? hartford, new haven, and bridgeport. and you're happy to ignore them when it works for you.

tom, people have looked at what you have said and what i have said about education spending. everyone says that when you said i was spending less money that you are not telling the truth. it is less than the percentage would be. but you're talking about federal program dollars. i take pride in the fact we have

introduced obamacare better than any other state in the nation. and we started years before hand. and it cause federal dollars to come into the state and tom says we should compare. >> let me point out your down to 10 minutes now. -- you are down to 10 minutes now. >> we are talking about a lot of

things. when you talk about education reform, it's all about doing a better job for children. to make better choices on behalf of the children, i'm for it. the governor apparently isn't. i do have an education policy and a plan that restoring pride and prosperity, maybe you haven't read it.

i have a lot of initiatives for education reform that i think will make schools better and better things that you didn't do. we will see.

>> give us your take about what happened in sprague, what did you do there? >> it is promoting the governor, he is complicit in it. i went in support of the hundred 45 people -- 145 people that lost their jobs there. they are contributing to driving

jobs out of connecticut. i was met by senator austin who was sent there i assume by the governor and the staff. she was a heckler. she was heckling me, and got a little tired after the first few minutes. they contribute to those jobs being lost. i went there for that reason. it has nothing to do with the big company.

there are two members of the union there, i don't know if they work there or just members of the union leadership. and the senator and the press corps, and one other person is a registered republican. i said that senator austin had failed because she was involved in some of the policy decisions.

when i say it failed, it simply not true. they were saying that they had tried to negotiate a better deal. it has failed. the leaders had failed to keep their jobs there. >> what happened there? >> i don't know quite what the governor is talking about, suggesting that i shut down a mill that was shut down several years after i sold it. it was a growth of 3000 jobs in that company. he is suggesting it's a $20 million and i don't know where he gets this stuff here it is nothing like that going on. i didn't even pay myself a salary. there are no domestic manufacturers that the company made now. so, listen, i think i did a very good job with that company,

losing $14 million or $50 million when i bought it. it would have gone under if i hadn't gotten involved, i kept it going for another 11 years. we protected the benefits and employment of the workers that were there and the deal that was reached. they sold to another company and closed it in 1998 or 1999. it was integrated to another company that eventually failed. to blame me for that is simply untrue. >> briefly before we go on to another subject. >> in 1995, you said you closed

two mills and consolidated others. you are being quoted. what a to tell people who the subsequent owners were? bond owners you had defaulted on with a $9 million loan payment. as you were running the company into the ground and taking fees. you were quoted by a reporter that had another conversation with you about your continuation of taking fees as late as 1994 and 1995. you were a 90% owner of the company and when all of that transpired and the bondholders took stock because they were not going to be paid in bonds, your percentage went over 90% to 5%. you were on the board when another factory closed. so when i say -- by the way, you looked at her worker and told them it was their fault. when those factories in the south, you left out that you bought another company -- [indiscernible] and you split off things along the way and kept some, right? [talking over each other] did you keep one of the things? >> you are the governor of the

state of connecticut. people are feeling a huge squeeze in this state. their incomes might be level or declining and the cost of living is going up. a lot of people can't afford to live in this state anymore. way too many people are unemployed. why are you spending so much time looking at some deal i supposedly did in the 1990's? you must've spent hours on that. [applause] please. >> why are you insulting voters with ads about something you claim happened and i claim didn't happen with a very

different story on television and have a real interest in knowing about the future of connecticut. it is insulting to voters. stop the negative ads. >> let me be very clear. you admitted that the company was in trouble as of 1988 after you purchased -- >> so you spent more time on it? >> you told us it will take eight years. and you leave out that you defaulted to your bondholders. i think it is important. when you show up to the town, not having called the mayor or anybody to make a point about me, and you're blaming water bills that are municipal and not state. when the company that you own failed, did you go to their governors and blame them? [cheers and applause]

>> you are not helping anybody, you are really not. plquiet. let them talk. you get your chance on november 4. >> we grew 3000 jobs when i owned it, the company was much better off as a result of my ownership. if the governor wants to spend hours studying this, i don't think voters care. when you talk about the future of connecticut. >> tom, before you even closed on that purchase, you had agreed to sell -- >> we are talking weeks you must've spent on this. >> tell us how you grew those jobs. you never said that before.

you acquired other firms which, by the way, is what ultimately caused it to fail. >> let's move on. one of the questions i get asked more than any other question is why does the state of connecticut take hundreds of thousands of dollars to help the company move from one city to the next? >> we don't. we don't in my administration. in a prior administration we did hate to move. -- pay to move. any deal requires the addition of jobs. in 1000 jobs in the case you're talking about. incomes far in excess of $100,000. so when tom says people are hurting, i'm trying to do things to bring jobs to the state. let's talk about reality.

when we started our recovery in the state of connecticut in february of 10, we have grown more than any other state in new england. we are 22 percentage points ahead on new housing starts. the commerce department came out just recently, stating last quarter growth. we were better than every other state in new england and we knocked the socks off of most of them. you can get people to come to your state or keep them in your state and try to get jobs. there are other things you have to do. i have done that on your behalf. this is a lot of long-term hard work.

i was mayor stanford for 14 years. >> this is really simple. the governor is driving jobs out of state and is having to bribe people to stay here. he is antibusiness, he has antibusiness policies. overzealous regulation. he taxes the citizens and has driven up the cost of energy. other mandates and employers. the rhetoric, if i were to listen to him, i would really be upset. multiple billions of dollars at this point. to help people get reelected.

they have something to do with people assessing his performance. he is using taxpayer money to get businesses to stay here. there isn't anybody that has taken a course in economics that would make sense for a state to pay $1 million to bring the job to the state. he is doing this. what about bridgewater? you can't say you didn't try. >> for 1000 additional jobs, in excess of $100,000.

>> you are a businessman. you know that there are 49 other governors in the state with an incentive package ready to hand over any company that would move into their state. when governor christie started luring companies, what did you do to keep them here. >> like stepping on the accelerator. he is antibusiness policies and rhetoric. all he has to do is take the foot off the brake. and having policies --

>> struggling with extra cost. have a progrowth agenda that is not antibusiness, it's supportive of employers. you have to make sure you're trying to bring employers here. that is not everybody. the taxpayer dollars are being passed as well. once these incentives were off, they are going to leave if they are not already here. >> if other states are not competing for the jobs, we know that is not the case.

just in california, they passed a new package because we are getting some of their jobs, appropriating $329 million. in bc sports moved from new york city and came to connecticut. our investment we got 35 jobs from your friends. we are building strength in the future. that is what we are doing. we have taken their playbook. they talk about small business. and i became governor, there were no tools to help small busiss. that is why we created the small business express. we made them with and and over 1200 firms. creating 4000 jobs. we save those small businesses because we were doing that at a time that we could not get any money from traditional banks. i am proud that black men and hispanic women and caucasian men

and women have all kinds of people finding jobs in the state of connecticut, good paying jobs. i don't want to be served in a restaurant by somebody. i don't want did be having someone show up at a nursing home who has the flu can get other people sick. when we were running for governor, and iran saying i am supported of this.

they did not have that benefit, they went to work sick because they were afraid they would lose their job. they took care of the grandmother in the nursing home. >> when i hear you talk and i hear all the people i am talking to going around the state running for governor, sometimes i wonder if we live in a different state. you're talking about creating jobs and this is working well. it has only grown 1%, not 1% a year. 1%.

on your website there is a place that says they picked up 10,000 jobs. but the job increase we are using, they picked up the year before you became governor after the recession. while you have been governor, we have picked up 15,000 jobs a year. and last year, 9200 jobs. we have one of the worst recovery rates in the country. massachusetts has grown 11%. it is not reasonable. it is what you are doing. you're hurting the citizens of the state with your policies and if you don't believe it, go talk to the people i have been talking to losing jobs.

people that lost jobs because of your policies and have had to take on lower paying jobs or retired people that thought they would be able to retire at 65 and are still working at 70 because the cost of living is going up. i think you have a driver that takes you around and you need to get out and talk to the citizens of connecticut because they don't feel your policies are working. >> you made a reference, you have created your own mathematics. every time you say that isn't true, somebody looks at it and they say, it is true. an independent person. newspapers, columnists, they've all done the numbers.

i understand that what you have to do is make everyone feel as bad as they can. and make things out as bad as they possibly can. we are working really hard to sustain connecticut in the future path of creating jobs of investing in infrastructure. we are doing it as rapidly as we can for ourselves, for future generations. the idea that someone, after working 120 hours could accumulate one hour of sick time for every 40 hours they work. you talk about where i live, you live in a great place. i love it. but people in glass houses probably shouldn't throw stones. [applause] when i went to sprague, i did not get out of the backseat of the bmw.

>> let me talk about the labor numbers because they really are important. there is a nonfarm labor number and that is what the governor is quoting. the private sector wages have gone down. the gdp -- if he has created 70,000 jobs, that means average incomes have gone down. it's not really a great story. there is another set of data called connecticut resident employment. a nonfarm data is by employers. the resident employment numbers are filled out by households, connecticut residents.

the governor is including jobs in connecticut that are actually people that live in massachusetts and rhode island and new york. many of those construction jobs are going to people that live in massachusetts. this is with connecticut taxpayer dollars. he is including people that live in other states and leaving out people who work on farms, people who are self-employed, and a host of other people your are connecticut citizens who i assume you represent. that 10,000 job number since you were elected governors, that is the number i would look at. we shouldn't be spending to create jobs for people in other states. they should be looking after everybody in the state, not just people who work on farms and big

companies. >> i want to ask one last question. i want to and this on a positive note. i think the three of us can agree that connecticut is a great place to live. you have 30 seconds. how do you make connecticut even better? >> we continue to invest in education and infrastructure. >> i don't believe you think only 10,000 have gone to connecticut residents. they make the kinds of investments that can be competitive, in bioscience, and higher education that is making great progress and employing more people. >> how do we make connecticut even better?

>> we have a skill to work for us, other universities and institutions, a beautiful shoreline and a rich history. we have so many things going for us but we have leadership taking us in the wrong direction. it is like the captain of the ship that is trying to get to the caribbean and the passengers are seeing icebergs. most people would say, let's get a new captain. we should be doing much better, we can do much better. >> we reach the point where it is time for the closing remarks. ambassador foley, you go first. let me make sure martin here has his timer set and ready. >> thank you for listening to us tonight and i want to thank ray for hosting us. this is his last election.

governor malloy and the one-party rule have brought us where we are. we have anemic job and economic growth partly because of the large tax increase in 2011. people in connecticut are hard-working. i call it the big squeeze. incomes are declining and the cost of living is skyrocketing. many people feel they can't afford to live here anymore. spending is continuing to rise out of control. we have squandered the 2011 tax increase and he has no plan to get control over spending. he will have to raise taxes and that will make these problems even worse. i have been traveling around the state and talking to people.

they think governor malloy has had his chance. they think is progressive policy experiment hasn't worked, isn't working, and has put a terrible burden on the citizens. they want change. what do we do about it? we need to get control over spending. we need to reduce taxes for working families. we make the environment more supportive. i have a plan for doing so. it's called the "restoring pride and prosperity to connecticut." it talks about how we will get this done. >> times up, sir. >> i hope you read it and i look

forward to taking connecticut in a better direction. >> governor, you get two minutes. >> ambassador, thank you for participating. the other day i was at a school that had been closed. today, we opened it. there are kids that want to go into a trade. you can say as many nasty things about me and you want, i take pride in making sure that young people have a pathway to success. they help support the family that he was part of. he would be 100 to today -- 102 today. he would be impressed. i can look at myself in the

mirror and say, dad, i am trying to do what you would do. no shortcuts. get control of spending -- we are doing that. it control of taxes -- we are doing that. make important investments -- we are doing that. i have done about 70 town hall meetings in the time that tom has been running for governor. this is about real people and lifting them up.60,000 jobs crer base salary. no american should work 35 or 40 hours a week and still live in poverty. and i am proud that we are going to move forward. i am very clear, nobody sick should be made to go to work except perhaps in some alternate universe where that makes sense.

i am proud of what we are doing. we are investing in the future. thank you. >> ladies and gentlemen, now you may applaud. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] from the connecticut governors debate, news today about the former governor of virginia, bob mcdonnell found guilty of corruption and convicted on 11 of 13 counts against him. his wife maureen convicted of nine counts. prosecutors claimed and received gifts and loans from a local businessman in exchange for helping promote his product and as a report, governor mcdonnell is the restricted governor ever convicted of a felony.

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and your phone calls with the former chair of the u.s. commission on civil rights, mary frances berry. 8:00, authorst and historians talk about the burning of washington during the war of 1812. saturday on real america, the building of the hoover dam. sunday night at 8:00, gerald ford's pardon of richard nixon. find our tv schedule on www.c-span.org and let us know about the programs you are watching. call, send us a tweet, or you can e-mail us. conversation, like us on facebook, all of us on twitter. -- follow us on twitter >>. >> earlier today, the national alliance on mental illness held its convention in washington, d.c., with former congressman patrick kennedy and virginia state senator creigh deeds. the session was about 15 minutes.

-- 50 minutes. [applause] >> hello, everyone. welcome to our national convention. i am so excited to see all of you here today. welcome to our national day of action. i hope you are ready to take some action. and so,congress to act today, our supporters here and around the country are going to be calling, e-mailing, tweeting, and visiting capitol hill. when you visit capitol hill, i want you to remember that you are part of the nami movement. we are a movement of people dedicated to providing help and hope to all of those affected by mental illness. a movement that demands a more caring and a better mental health care system that provides help to us when we need it, and where we need it. [applause]

a movement that rages against homelessness, emergency rooms, jails, and prisons. we have had too much of it and we wanted to change. -- we want it to change. [applause] and a movement that fights or recovery for people with mental illness. for jobs, for homes, for families, and for friends. for the ability to use all of your gifts and all of your talents. [applause] this movement will tell congress today that it is time to act, and we will be supported and inspired by our speakers today. the first probably needs no introduction but i will give him one anyways. patrick kennedy served eight 2011,in congress until

representing rhode island's first district. he was the leading champion of the national mental health parity bill which was passed in 2008. [applause] he has been the recipient of nami's highest honor, the service award, and continues to be a leading voice for scientific research and the transformation of mental health care. patrick is all of those things, but he is so much more. he is a beacon of hope for all of those who struggle with mental illness and addiction. i had the privilege the summer of visiting a peer-run drop-in center in chicago on 47th street. i got a really warm welcome but they cannot wait to tell me about their visit from patrick kennedy and what a difference he made by telling his story in such a heartfelt way, the way he always does, and one of them said it best.

he said, he is one of us. that is how we feel at nami. patrick is one of us, has been a great friend to nami, those in the mental health community, and we want to welcome our great friend patrick kennedy. [applause] >> thank you very much. [applause] well, when i was in congress, i got used to that standing ovation. [laughter] congress, i out of would just stand here and soak it in. i am in recovery. and not only recovery from -- [applause] i am in recovery from being in politics. [laughter] let me just say from the outset

how great mary has been in terms of hitting the ground running and really coming in. talk about trying to drink water from a fire hydrant. she came in at a time that is going to be the most formative time in mental health advocacy in the last 50 years and we could not be more proud to have you as executive director of nami. [applause] ron homburg, andrew sperling, terrific policy team getting you ready to go to go to the hill. your whole nami team is exceptional. i have had the honor of working with them for many years. let me just first say, to demi lovato, i told her backstage, she is already a hit. we know she has produced a lot of hits, but she is already a hit star with all of us because she is willing to stand up in

the lights and say she is one of us, too. [applause] my six-year-old daughter loves " skyscraper." i tell you, you are our skyscraper when it comes to standing up tall, when things are falling around us because of the stigma and discrimination against the dull health. to have someone like you willing to take a stand mean something to all of us and we are really grateful that you are here. [applause] now, most of you have heard of my uncle, president john kennedy. things thathe president kennedy was known for was his book "profiles in

courage." and weree alive today adding another chapter to that historic book, he would include senator and mrs. creigh deeds in that book. [applause] senator, like my family, your tragedy was exhibited in public in a way that should not have to .e for any family and instead of running away from the problem, you ran toward it, and you took your own devastating, incomprehensibility , and you showdy the light of your own family's experience, facing a fragmented,

uncoordinated health care system , which was the responsibility of us all to do better on and showed what the ultimate consequences of that failed system is through the loss of your son. and you, more than anyone, have understand what is at stake if we do nothing to repair this broken mental health system. senator deeds and mrs. deeds, we owe you a debt of responsibility to fulfill your mission, to fix the system so that it does not have to be fall any other family like it in your own. and for that we are very grateful for your leadership. [applause]

>> president kennedy, in 1963, talked about the civil rights act this way. wouldd, who amongst us trade the color of their skin and be content with those who delay -- tients and patience and delay? we cantime, they said take another 10, 15 years to implement civil rights. it's ok, let's take our time. itt means one thing to a -- mean something entirely the color of you

your skin is darker. who amongst us [inaudible] and be content with those who tell us wait. now is not the time. we face a similar moment in history today. issue that iss an a civil rights issue. it is about the discrimination against our brothers and sisters simply because of the immutable fact that their illness -- [applause] their illness, as immutable as the color of their skin, is an illness of the brain as opposed to an illness of any other organ in the body. president kennedy put the civil rights bill before congress, he took on another

civil rights bill, the community mental health act, and he said, the mentally ill need no longer be alien to our affections or beyond the help of our communities. [applause] have you ever heard something so clear in terms of what we need today? the mentally ill need no longer , orlien to our affections beyond the help of our communities. pretty simple, isn't it? pretty basic. now, you are all going to go up to the hill and you are going to advocate or simple things. making sure that families are plan,f the treatment

planning for their loved ones, just as they would be if their loved one was coming out of the hospital for any other physical illness. [applause] you are going to go up there and say, those with brain illnesses, don't they deserve the same coordinated care as any other chronic illness that is out there, and why shouldn't our health care system reflect the desire to optimize care by making sure that it is coordinated for the benefit of the patient. this is pretty simple stuff, my friends. [applause] there anding to go up talk about the fact that this is brain about treating the like any other organ of the body. [applause]

now, we could spend all day, as you often do at your nami meetings, going through the litany of discriminatory practices embedded in federal law and federal regulation. it is replete with discrimination. so rather than letting the congress get lost in the details, make sure, as mary gilbert he did in her article, we keep it simple, my friends. this is not complicated. treat mental illness the same as every other illness and we will make an enormous difference in tackling the challenges that face us. [applause] but how do we treat it? if this were cancer, there would be a revolution in this country.

diabetes, there would be a revolution in this country. the way we pay for mental health care today is we say to the mentally ill and those with addictions, come back when you cancer.ge 4 that is what we would say to them. come back for treatment when you need your legs and be treated as a diabetic. of sayingot think that to anyone with diabetes or anyone with cancer, and we should not be saying it to those that suffer from mental illness and addiction. [applause] say, well, these problems are two great. we cannot get our arms around them. they are intractable and incurable. wait a second here. metastasize toer

stage 4, yes, it is pretty difficult to treat. if you let diabetes get to be where you need an amputation and you lose your site, yes, it is a terrible disease to cure and fix. but if you intervene on first onset of schizophrenia, first onset of addiction, and put in place the kind of preventative measures that we would put in place if it were any other chronic illness, we would have a different trajectory and people would not be forced to have apologized because of lack of care and the on treatment of the mentally ill that goes on for too long and creates too much disability and too much mortality. this is a simple issue. [applause]

so we need to be clear with congress on our vision for a new mental health system. we cannot allow them simply to move deck chairs on the titanic. you understand what i'm saying? we cannot let them make this decision about commitment and forced this or that. you know what? if you treated someone early in their illness, they would be forced to take the high levels of medication that day and that have to take because you never take care of them until their illness becomes apologized. and then they would not have the side effects and they would not have the compliance issues. this is a simple issue. treat it like every other issue, treated early, treated aggressively. you will save lives, you will save disability and we will all as a society be better off for it. [applause]

now on the commitment issue, the most controversial out there -- commitment to what? why don't we have the same expectations and standards for care for the mentally ill that we expect for every other physical illness? we should not be committing people to substandard care or lack of evidence-based treatment. but on the issue of commitment, i know about it personally. my brother and sister took guardianship of our mother. so no one needs to talk about these issues to me because, like my mother, i have serious depression and bipolar, and like my mother, i struggle with addiction and alcoholism, and like my mother, sunday, got

bidted -- some day, god for , my children have to save my life, i want them to step up to their father'say life, like i save my mother's life. [applause] so, i come back to it. you got my refrain. this is simple. just treat these illnesses as if they were any other illness and apply those standards to this set of illnesses. the biggest challenge we are facing -- and i will wrap with this -- is political will. that political will is a reflection of the lack of understanding, and it's the

result of cultural indifference and bigotry which feeds the prejudice and discrimination that affects those with mental illness like myself. let,oposal would be to like the civil rights act, we had the voting rights act to define what he meant by civil rights. fairwe had to pass the housing act to define what he meant by civil rights, then the fair employment act to define what we meant i civil rights. i hope we don't have to go around and begin to define what is common sense, what is basic, and that is, like my friend tim murphy said, "treat one another with dignity and respect. if you do that, the rest of it will fall into place." [applause]

and i will conclude with this. my father was known for compromises. no one said my father capitulated. my dad was a champion and a stalwart for the liberal cause, but when it came to advancing the national interests not just his party interests, he worked with orrin hatch and mike and see and john mccain, and all of them. because at the end of the day, this is about making progress, not making perfection the enemy of the good. [applause] surewould say, let's make hhs and department of labor enforce, implement, monitor compliance of health insurance plans to make sure they are meeting the federal law's

requirements. this is simple stuff. follow the law. the federalke sure government follows the law. not only will we hold insurance companies accountable, but we will hold medicaid and our own public health system accountable to the federal law. [applause] to my republican friends, this is easy. just do whatever one says. follow the laws. you pass laws, and now you've got to live by them. apply it to medicaid. if you're my democratic friends, say, apply the law to these whoged care organizations like to impose financial limitations on those suffering illness.l -- mental

follow the law. let's monitor compliance, and then let's do the other things that we know will make a difference in dean's to to lighting people from the new institutions -- from de institutionalizing people from the new institutions, so they can finally get the respect they deserve. [applause] timee have a moment of now, because the newest population within our ranks are returning veterans from iraq and suffering from the "invisible wounds" of war. any member of congress have said, those are the mentally ill and those people with addiction. they are not a popular crowd around here, because they don't ofck up in the measure meant political power in this town. tell them that what we have been fighting for our whole lives is now what is necessary to save

the lives of our returning there should not be a democrat or republican out there who says no to the addenda -- agenda that you take up to capitol hill today. thank you very much. [cheers and applause] flex thank you so much, patrick. i told you our speakers today would be inspiring. i'm happy to introduce to you , interimderful leader president jim payne and longtime advocate. [applause] >> good morning. i'm so happy to be here. it's such an exciting morning. thank you, mary, and i joined

on behalf of the board in saying how glad we are that you are serving as executive director. i'm deeply indented -- indebted to our special guest here, and of course saddened at the circumstances that sometimes bring any of us in this room together. i will say that i'm happy at this particular moment, though to in a moment introduce my friend, betty greer. my name is jim payne. i am from virginia and active with namee northern virginia. betsy greer, a long time northern virginia affiliate together it is our privilege to join me present our next speaker with the richard t greer advocacy award, named in

honor of betty's late husband -- betsy's late husband, who was the first director. [applause] >> good morning. nammee's 35th anniversary. richard greer served as its third full-time employee and its first rector of government relations. that was back when the national office was a one battle -- one bedroom apartment on massachusetts avenue. those were the days when our loved ones were being discharged from psychiatric hospitals and returned to their home communities. were extremely ill, but their families had no skills or support to care for them. -- richardmes, and

greer did not usually come home for supper until 8:00 or 9:00 in the evening, answering calls from across the nation for people seeking help for their .oved ones what do i need? where do i find services? what programs help? whom should i call? phone callsgh those that richard greer found nami foot soldiers to carry the message of the need for better services and programs. he sent them to capitol hill, just as you are being asked to go today. are you ready? [cheers and applause] this year's recipient of the richard t curie or -- richard t greer advocacy award is virginia state senator craig dietz, who is using the power of his a forcely's story as for change. he used it to educate the general assembly in virginia

about the need for better services. he has spoken out nationally, and his words have communicated .any of nami's own messages they are not easy messages. on november 19 of last year, lost his son, gus, who struggles with bipolar deserter -- disorder. he thought desperately to get help for his son, but could not, not in time. and in presenting this award, i want you to know ,creigh deeds, that i as one virginia and will work to support you in working to ensure other virginians are spared the pain your family has experienced. i will work with you so that our loved ones can live in our community safely and to their highest level of independence possible. and i share your loss and

we honor your courage. family.to the nami as richard greer would say, you are not alone. congratulations, you are a word or -- worthy recipient of the richard greer advocacy award for your outstanding work, your leadership, and service for all people living with mental illness. [applause] >> thank you all so much. i've just got a couple of things

to say. before i get started, i want to it knowledge my wife who is with me. think you will stop -- thank you. and some of my colleagues and partners from virginia. [applause] and partnersgues in the legislative process in virginia. i see those in the senate with me. i see those in a house of delegates. , and see one of my mentors the next congressman for the eighth congressional discover union, don buyer, right here. [applause] i hope i have not missed anybody. thank you so much. thank you to the national alliance on mental illness. and thank you, jim payne, and betty greer. receive the to richard t greer advocacy award and i'm humbled. although i've never met mr. brewer, his or her beautician lives on and his commitment indoors through the work of

everyone here in -- mr. greer, on throughent lives the work of everyone here. i was always ashamed by virginia's abysmal ranking compared to other states for mental health funding. though i would have to admit, mental health was never my top priority. with economic element, education, transportation, public safety, environmental issues. there were many things that were at the top of my keep. heap. i promise you i would give anything to not be in this position today. world changed forever last november, i knew i had to do something to make a change to prevent future tragedies. my family had been dealing with my son's illness for some years, but i never truly understood what gus was going through or how he suffered.

i determined to devote my life and efforts to change the law to reduce the likelihood that such tragedies would occur in the future, to discuss mental health openly and honestly in an effort to remove the stigma, and to work to insure that my son is remembered for who he was and what he did, not how he died. could not do that while sitting on the sidelines or working behind the scenes. my son was unbelievable. he remains in every respect my hero. was everything i wanted to be. he was smart, handsome, strong, inquisitive, and confident. he was helpful, kind, generous, and brilliant. and he was so talented. he could master any musical in the dash instrument. , dance, and had deep faith in god, and was, indeed, his brothers keeper.

he could do anything he wanted to do and do it well. his life was just not long enough. i have work to change the crisis intervention area of the law and the things that immediately failed gus just prior to his death. but i know that so many people and families lived in crisis, or live crisis to crisis. as you in this room know, the problems inherent in the system in virginia are not unique. people have reached out for me, desperate for help from throughout the country. i know that many people are engulfed in mental illness, including our neighbors and friends and coworkers, and they have so much to share and so much to contribute to society. who knows whether the cure for cancer or the next big idea to save the earth or to unlock the secrets of the universe is locked in the mind of someone who now struggles with the disease of the brain? [applause]

and how many of those bright minds are locked away in our criminal justice system? i represented five people recently one afternoon in the circuit court of allegheny small, rural area i represented the legislature, but i'm also a lawyer. are partve services time in virginia. five people charged with criminal offenses. three of them went to the penitentiary that afternoon. all five struggled with -- three of them had serious mental health diagnoses. one was less serious, but not ,nserious at all, depression and also had addiction problems. another was just a complete alcoholic. all five struggled. it is just unconscionable that so many people are locked away in these institutions that simply some -- simply struggle with and to illness. i'm not finished with the work we did in virginia this year, not at all. what we have done should be seen as the beginning of the work

that must be done, not the end. of mike scott of the water boys, that was the river and this is the sea. i'm determined that every virginian who is in need, no matter who they are or what they look like, no matter what the circumstances of their birth, no matter whether they have health insurance, every virginian receives the services they need when mental health strikes -- when mental illness strikes. we will make it possible that those people can lead productive lives through struggle with the help they need. this morning, you heard from congressional records and it is on the hill. don't stop there. take the conversation back to your state capitals, to your governor, to your state representatives, share your stories. share your experiences. continue to shed light on

something that is too often left in the shadows. everyone in this room knows just as i do that people remain ignorant about mental illness. whether we respond with compassion or understanding, people fear, minimize, or deny that which they do not understand. the stigma that results hold us back. we have to educate. we have to put names and faces on the issue. they will remember you. help me to help others understand that the time to act is now. we cannot afford to wait for another crisis or tragedy. too many lives have been lost. too many families changed forever already. we need to be in the prevention business. we need to be in a long-term recovery business. we need to provide as wide a ray of -- as wide array of services as we can. the current system is failing. andenergy and innovation ideas to fix the system are here in this room.

we have no other option but to act. thank you for your excellent work. thank you for the tremendous honor. the work goes on. [applause] >> thank you so much, senator deeds. beakers have shown this morning, the power of our advocacy flows from our lifted ash lived experiences. our next speaker is an especially powerful voice, participating in the nami called to action. demi lovato is a profile encourage. like the title of her incredible album, she is unbroken by her personal experience with bipolar

depression and eating disorders. mental health services administration honored her for her mentorship of young adults with mental health and substance abuse issues. and this year, her book "staying strong 365 days a year" made the new york times bestseller list. this summer, she embarked on a mental health listening and engagement were sponsored by the pharmaceutical company to share her story and to learn from leaders in the mental health advocacy community at events around the country such as ours today. we are especially grateful for her coming here today, because in just two days, she starts her world to her and she will be making stops in 28 cities across the united states and canada. [applause] her fan base includes over 24 million diehard twitter followers and 36 million facebook fans, many of whom we

hope will join us today in our day of action. and two of those millions of ins live in my home arlington, virginia, and our ages 12 and 15. i am grateful to demi as a mental health advocate, but i'm especially grateful to her as a mom. i cannot tell you how much it means to have a celebrity who is a real role model, who takes her fame and uses it to help others to raise awareness -- [applause] -- to help young girls and all of us settle the prejudice they keep so many from speaking out and getting help. demi brings help, she brings ho all of those affected by mental illness and we are thrilled to have her here today. [applause]

>> thank you so much. that introduction was really overwhelming. in the most positive way. so thank you. everyone, my people. [laughs] it is an honor to be here today of action.ay looking out at all of you is so inspiring. it's great to see so many people dedicated to improving mental health in the lives of others. seeing people of all ages from all over the country come together gives me so much hope that change is really possible. those of us here today know that mental illness has no prejudice. it affects people of every race,

gender, age, and economic status. and it is not the thing was between democrats or republicans either. [applause] why we are here today and we need to send -- send a simple message to our nations leaders. mental health matters and it must be taken seriously. [applause] it is time to ask for mental health and pass conference of mental health bills this year. [applause] we are here because groups like nami have helped us understand that our forces -- our voices do matter, our stories really do matter. we have the power to make a difference and we have the personal experience needed to be taken seriously. to havewhat it means our lives, or the lives of those we love, get off track because

of mental illness. we understand that mental illness is serious and can be absolutely devastating. we also know that mental illness can be treatable when we have access to appropriate conference of care. i know that it is largely because of our personal experience with mental illness that each of us is here today. as i learn more about my own ofness and the experience others, i realize how much we all have in common. even if mental illness has made a few headlines because of my career. there are a number of ways in which i've been very lucky, yet even with access to so much, my journey has not been an easy one i any means. my darkest times, i didn't know why i was alive and i definitely did not like myself. times that were so emotionally draining that i couldn't find the strength to

crawl out of bed in the morning. i was withdrawn, disconnected, and very angry. time were stretches of where i felt nothing but chain. i would medicate -- nothing but shame. i would medicate myself with drugs and a call in an effort to , justormal, not better normal. i did not understand why somebody like me with all of the resources and reasons the world to be emotionally well, i could not find happiness. was finally diagnosed with by part -- bipolar disorder, it was a relief in so many ways. it helps me make sense with my bipolar depression and all of the things i was doing to cope with it. getting the right diagnosis did not happen overnight. process of being misdiagnosed and misunderstood, i understood -- i learned how important it is to be open with your doctor, so you can get to the root of what is going on as

soon as possible. the journey to living well with bipolar disorder is a process that for me involved seeing a therapist, being honest with myself and others, following my treatment plan, and taking care of my body. it requires conference of care. -- comprehensive care. [applause] living well with bipolar disorder takes work and it does not all happen at once. there was not one day when the light simply came on and i said, i'm cured, i'm better. the first,ven second, or even third medication we tried is not the one that works the best. but we owe it to ourselves to keep trying. the reality is, you are not a car. you cannot go to a shop and it fixed immediately. you need ongoing maintenance. there'll always be work left to do.

i can only do the work now because i truly believe i'm worth it. and today, i'm so grateful for my life and i want to preserve and protect it. [applause] it is my personal mission to share with others of all ages people who are children, that our fans, people who do not know my music at all, but hopefully my speech today can have some -- it is my mission to share this with the world and to let them know that there is life on the other side of those dark times that seems so hopeless and helpless. i want to show the world there is life, surprising, wonderful, and unexpected life after diagnosis. [applause]

i'm proud to say that i'm living proof that someone can live, love, and thrive with bipolar disorder if they get connected with professional resources, and accept support soonest possible. that's why i purchase a painting in the mental health listening and engagement to her -- tour and getting to meet and listen to people like you and getting to know the issues that affect the mental health community. i hope to do my part to reduce the fear for others and to reduce the shame that is associated with mental illness. i want to do what i can to make things better for others by becoming the strongest and most informed mental health advocate and it -- advocate that i can be. today, we have a chance to make history with nami, an organization that has been at the forefront of advancing mental health in this country

for decades. [applause] we have seen increased attention to our country's broken mental health system over the past few years. but we've seen very little action. message is very clear. it's time for congress to act for mental health by supporting the passage of a comprehensive mental health bill this year. [cheers and applause] i understand that the details around comprehensive mental health care are complex. i am not a policy expert in any way, shape, or form. but i do know that the basics of conference of health care reform a common sense. means as ave care nation, we step up our efforts

to prevent suicide, which is currently the second leading cause of death for young adults in the united states. care means that if a man with mental illness gets diabetes or cancer, his doctors work together to determine what the best approach is for his mind and body. conference of care also means that when a woman leaves a psychiatric hospital, there is a process in place to make sure she gets the care that she needs so that she doesn't end up back in jail, hospital, or on the street, or worst of all, even dead. [applause] at the heart of it, comprehensive care means that our mental health system reaches ,eople e often so fewer people fall through the cracks and suffer alone. i'm so proud to be here with you today. together as mental health advocates, we can make our

voices heard. our shared message is simple. like you said, keep it simple. support passage of a comprehensive mental health bill this year. [applause] so go out there and make today count. together, we will make a difference as we act for mental health. tweet,orget to treat -- and post, because we all know that gets the word going. [laughter] i'm about to, you know, when i'm not sitting here on an important panel. [laughter] i'm so proud of this community today, and i want the entire world to know that i'm proud of everyone in here. and i'm also proud of myself for getting the help that i need, and you can have that, too.

[cheers and applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] the senate agriculture committee will look at school milk programs. here is a look. like not whole's grains. of course, they want sugar more. they will pick sugar. it's what they like. their taste buds love it. but we have to be the adults in the room full sub you don't just give kids the foods they want.

you have to teach them how to eat well for their whole lives, and that takes leadership. it takes determination. it takes creativity. and i love the fact that you told your school district, pick three colors every day. my children, what i was teaching them about nutrition when they were for, five, and six, that's how we did it. how many colors can you put on your plate? and they loved that. because i said my children steamed vegetables as children, they only want steamed vegetables. they don't want to utter or cream on it. they want steamed vegetables. my kids, as a consequence, because they were introduced healthy foods at every meal, they prefer healthy foods. a lot of these kids are not getting healthy foods at home. they are getting refined carbohydrates at every meal. a typical meal would be a burger and fries. of course that is what they prefer. that is what they have been fed since they were little. we have to do more. i feel that, yes, it is easy to

have flexibility. people like the grits that they have had since they were a kid. but let's not serve refined foods at lunch. let's push them to eat something healthy that makes them healthy and reach their full potential. when a kid is obese, he doesn't reach his full potential. he cannot concentrate in class. he is often made fun of. he has low self-esteem. he doesn't reach his full potential. she doesn't reach her full potential. i'm grateful that all of you have thought out-of-the-box, figuring out how to solve these problems to meet nutrition standards. i do not want to back off of these attrition standards. we can figure it out. >> we will have more on school nutrition tonight at 8:00 in prime time here on c-span. 2, book tv.an 1812 andspan3, the

1813 burning of washington. and we will have coverage of the california governors debate. kqed tv and the l.a. times. and it is the first and only debate between the two candidates. we'll take you there live tonight at 10:00 eastern. coming up in about 15 minutes, a look at terrorist threats to the u.s. with former officials of the bush and obama administrations, and further efforts to write terror groups -- whether efforts in serious and iraq to fight terror groups could lead to other action. at the future of feminism. we will show as much of this conversation as we can prior to the mccain institute discussion on terrorism. >> we are back with the co-authors of a new book, what women really want" with the co-author of the book along with amory morale, who is also a

co-author of the book and editor politichicks.org. let's take the title of the book. what do women really want you to fix it took a whole book to talk about it. whole book took a to talk about it. we thought about writing "what men really want." it was going to be a short pamphlet, we decided to go with the women. we talked to women all the time because there's a national organization that gives women a voice. we ask women to engage in the political process. we think that the things that really do matter to women are can personally affect by being active in what happens in the political realm. don't want women to. so we wanted to look at the you know, i'm sorry,

the objections. involved?women get we wanted to be a conduit. hey, go ahead, it's okay. you can do this. women can make a huge difference in politics. >> why do you want women to get involved? what's going on here? see that's going wrong? >> well, democrat women have been always involved in politics. a strange dichotomy that democrats when they vote, they don't just vote, they stay involved. stay committed to their women, republican men and they vote, they go home, and they don't come back to the next election. we encourage everyone to be involved and know what's happening in your world. >> is it a book about feminism? >> it's how you define feminism. wants d out women really to talk about what it means to be feminine.

there are differences between me and women. certain people want to say there's not a difference between men and women, there is. women do see differently than think differently than women. we wanted to have that conversation and we wanted to talk about how men and women can speak to one another. and how -- also how women from one side of the aisle can come across the aisle and have a civil discourse without being demeanoring toor one another. that's another big part that we try to include in the book. >> do you think that democrats talk about it in a wrong way, in a different way? guest: i think democrats talk about it, period. that's important. republicans, the words silent majority, i think, were really damaging to the republican party. because they didn't use their voices. i think they've allowed politicians to speak for them. don't want any politician speaking for me and about what my needs are in my

in my d in my family, life. and i'm -- the only way to get through to the politicians is to be involved. and to be vocal. and if you don't like something, do something about it. don't wait for someone to do it for you. >> are there specific public policy measures that you're ndorsing here, you're encouraging women to get involved in? guest: i think women love freedom. a basic level. freedom to worship who they want to worship, protect their families, protect themselves in a culture that doesn't allow women to be safe all the time. so we spoke to the freedom issues in this book and found issues of freedom for family, thoesz are really paramount for women. so this is just where it's a great opportunity for women to conversation his and assert their voice in to the political system. you bering always that, know, i'm the life of a former

state senator. he knew that he worked for the people. that was never lost on him for a moment. because i reminded him. we want do e things for women is make sure they understand that the people in that building every day, they work for you. and that women need to be engage in actively the campaign processes, to get the people elected that they want. absolutely them accountable. and what women really want. womene a road map to what can do that. even with the busy lives, while they're running the kids to boardroomtting in the in the meeting. the things they can do to fit it have ir life so they do that voice. host: what is the road map? guest: a lot of things. party platforms are really important. a lot of people overlook it as something they don't care about in politics. a lot of people don't like labels. a whole chapter of how we don't like labels.

my dad comes from exact opposite political perspectives for me. we love each other through that. f we let society apply those labels to me, we'd hate each other. that's another part of the conversation we wanted to have. one of the things that's important is if women would take in the grassroots politics, they would have a lot more control. and then if the politicians they helped were elected, if they hold their feet to that party the party ake platform what you want it to be. no one wants to dictate that. host: you write in here when you ask conservative women today they will tell you they want real men. break it down by paragraph in here. men who will advance their economic prosperity. what are you talking about? what policies? guest: we don't want to rely on

en, we don't want them to be above us or below us. we want to be as equal as we can e as men and women who are unequal. we will always be unequal. we don't want to be on the same level with men and women. we just aren't. if we both work in the o i.e. saying democrats have a different position on that? guest: i don't think so.

if you break it down to the very basics, democrats and republicans are very similar, in a lot of ways more so than either side would want to admit. book --e go on in the host: you go on in the book men. why the focus on men? guest: we talked to a lot of men for this book as well. i found that they are really confused. and a lot of people who buy our book are many want to know what women really want. they think it should be a lot bigger. but there is a very serious matter here in that the rule -- the role of men and women is evolving in our culture and we need to kind of take off the that society has imposed

on us. in the era ofings feminism, if you will, has not given women the freedom that they perhaps intended. they said, you must work and put family on the back earner. we are here to say, no, no, i we think you can have it all, but there is a policy difference. you asked about that difference between democrats and republicans. we don't agree on everything. and i know she agrees with me, too, but i wanted to clarify. democrats approach by is to have government do it for you, to have government imposed a policy on you. whereas from the republican perspective, it's to let the free market reign and let the free market be miraculous, because we believe it is. i work in a male-dominated industry, like you do, and i'm a broadcaster as well. i work with all men. there is one other woman in the office.

we just kind of duck and cover. there isl say that some disparity in our industry for men. you know this and i know this. but i decided to compete anyway. i could go to a -- an industry where the men are dominant. teaching is one of them. nursing is another. i don't want our government to tell me that it's going to make things equal for me. i'm willing to make things equal. to say that ig can compete in that arena. and that is another thing that we encourage women to do. we don't want handouts. host: we are talking with two of the three authors of the book "what women really want." we will go to laura first in eureka my pennsylvania, republican collar. please, do take note of them. my name is kurt volker. i'm the executive director of the mccain institute.

to the next in our series of foreign-policy debates that really try to look at the critical issues that our country needs to face and decide about. the mccain institute was founded in 2012 to honor senator mccain, misses and the mccain, and the mccain family going back generations and the history of service they have provided to our nation. the history is simple. it's to prevent -- promote the next generation of herbster in leadership. -- the next generation of character in leadership. we want to interview to a culture of debate about the critical choices our country faces. that is what -- why we launched this debate series. make it scrupulously nonpartisan, but highly informative. give equal and fair time to various points of view, and we hope that like you, make your own decisions about what we need to do as a country. activates have covered topics

such as should we intervene in serious? is it time to invade russia once again? should we get out of afghanistan? what do we do about room policy policy?drone you can find all of these on our website or our youtube channel. i encourage you to take a look at them. the next one is october 23 about china and whether we are sacrificing human rights in the pursuit of other interests. tonight's debate is being covered by c-span. it is our third collaboration with them. we are very pleased with that. the topic of tonight's debate is global war on terrorism. given what we've seen with isis taking over part of iraq and , with the horrible beheadings of two american ,itizens in the past two weeks is it time for us to double down? should we be taking the war to terrorist again? is it time to renew the global war on terrorism? havebate that topic, we people of unparalleled experience and knowledge in that

area, former deputy national security advisor or counterterrorism is our moderator. awill say more about him in second. but also, former security advisor and acting director of and the deputy director for counterterrorism at the cia. sets a very well informed of debaters. i hope we get a lot out of this tonight. we want the audience not only to listen, but also to take art. there will be an opportunity for questions. think about what questions you would like to put to a panel such as this. at this point, let me turn to introduce our moderator, juan zarate. he was a particularly good friend. we served together in the national security council when .e was a deputy -- the deputy prior to that, he had set up the task force to go after terrorist financing. he is now doing many things,

including working with cbs as a commentator. i will turn it over to him to introduce our debaters. over to you. thank you. [applause] >> ambassador volker, thank you very much. it's an honor to be here and i appreciate the opportunity to serve as moderator for this panel. good evening to all of you. as kurt mentioned, we are being covered on c-span. we have to be conscious of our audience abroad. we will be getting questions from the twitter audience. this will be an act of debate, both here and on line. let me say first that there could not be a more timely debate or discussion. the question of what to do about the terrorist threat, as kurt described, is front and center in our national debate. a better panele to have that debate. these are individuals with unprecedented experience over

the course of many administrations. and so we are set for a lively and important debate. we will allow for as much distinction as possible. they are owing to be ready to debate, as a -- they are going to be ready to debate, as opposed to coming to grand central conclusions together. but first, let me open up the debate and i will and how we will move forward with the format. we have seen a more dangerous and complicated terrorism environment. of isis, now proclaimed as the islamic state, establishing a safe haven in the ,eart of the middle east foreign fighters and seen before in the history of modern terrorism, thousands of foreign fighters flowing to the region. in metastasized al qaeda movement in nigeria in the form of boko haram all the way to the indian subcontinent, a movement

that has developed new techniques to raise funds globally -- locally and draw global funding. and they have used the media in innovative ways. and an ideology that is inspiring both in the fight and in western societies. the question now before us, as is see in our program, whether it is time to double down. what is our strategy, given this new complicated and more dangerous environment? what does that mean you are the administration has talked about degrading and destroying the islamic state. what does that mean in terms of national power? what does doubling down mean in the kermit -- the current context? and with the potential for quagmire in places like syria, and other places around the russian crises, whether and ukraine, or tension in the south china sea. let me describe the panel collectively. you have their bios in front of

you. i will give a thumb description of each in just a second. let me describe them collectively. collectively, they are quite a remarkable group. they have all served at the seniormost levels of the government. they have set in the sickroom, if not sharing meetings in the sickroom that advised cabinets and secretaries. and presidents. and they have all served in different administrations at different times in our counterterrorism campaign. they now all sit on the outside, so in some ways hopefully this loosens their tongues of it, makes them freer to debate. but they also serve as key voices in the media. these are remarkable panelists. the panelists in teams. we have arranged them to and to with mike morel and fran townsend advocating for the idea of doubling down. and the other two arguing

against. let me introduce mike very briefly. mike was the former acting director of the cia after a long, storied career in the agency. he served as a national security consultant, and also with me at cbs news as an advisor and talking head, if you will. townsend.ke is fran full disclosure, a former boss of mine. former assistant to the president, president bush. for homeland security and counterterrorism. in numerous capacities, and you can see in her bio the multiple roles that she has played. but in particular, the vice president at mcandrews and forbes holding, and also a commentator at cnn. dan benjamin.s ambassador benjamin was the former ambassador at large for counterterrorism in the obama administration at the state department. he now serves as the director of

the john sloan dickey center for international understanding at dartmouth. and next to dan is philip mudd. well-known to many of you who watch cnn, especially recently, a commentator there. former deputy director of the cia counterterrorism center shortly after 9/11. these are all individuals who have been in the battlefield, so to speak. they've been in policy and operational positions and can speak to not just the theoretic, but the practical almonds of this debate. let me say briefly how we will conduct this debate. we will have five minute openings from each side, and then three minute rebuttals from each side. we will then open it up to questions and answers. i will start with a few questions, but then we will open it up to you, the audience, and those who will submit questions via twitter. what we will do at the end is ask each side to give us some cogent points and policy

recommendations based on their opinions. part of the reason that i think the mccain institute in these is in these debates is not only to inform the public, but to engage the public. one of the things i want to challenge you all is to think long and hard about your views on this and to think about how this debate is shaping and perhaps affecting the way you think about these questions i will ask a couple of questions at the end of the audience. i would like to start first if we turn it over to the panelists , to ask a broad and general question. how many of you in the audience think we are losing the war on terror? ok, keep this in mind, because at the end, what i will ask you is whether or not this debate has materially informed your opinion. or not your opinion has changed as a result of the debate. i would be interested to see the results.

with that, let's begin. fran, let's start with you. isis,isil of facts, -- we will call it the islamic state so we are not stepping all over the name. they have seized more geography than any other terrorist in history. they control a crescent from aleppo to baghdad. they control the border between what was iraq and syria. they have shut off the border between syria and turkey largely. they have seized weapons from inside iraq from the iraqi got -- iraqi army. they have seized finances. they have beheaded two americans. cap the single most sophisticated media campaign that the u.s. government has ever tried to combat across two administrations and multiple parties. no administration has been able to effectively counter their media campaign. the beheadings

that you saw were not an accident. they were carefully orchestrated. they had a british individual who was a clear english speaker. the orange jumpsuit of the victims was reminiscent of gitmo. clearly, these were edited videos. you see the knife go to the victim's throat. it fades to black, and then you see the aftermath of the beheading. they intentionally do not show the bloody, protracted process of the beheading. the islamic state is tracking its own numbers. it had been tracking its own numbers since 2011. the united states government to would do well to do the same. to give you a couple of data points, in quarter one of 2011, they had committed for executions by their own count, and in q1 of 2014, just 399 -- it was 399. it had more than quadrupled. cyberattacks -- sniper attacks, in 2014 at 270. ied attacks are on the rise.

impolite explosive devices require more skill, more financing, and more access -- improvised explosive devices require more skill, more toancing, and more access supplies. the end topped 1800 by of 2014. that does not account for the increase in the amount of cash they have access to from the whichf modal --mosul, happen at the end of q1, and before there were krugman of 6000 fighters of july, 2014. suicide missions remain popular by the group. although the use of suicide else is down. the use of suicide car bombs is up. fatalities are up. 2013 is the deadliest year in iraq since 2008 with 8800 people killed. merelyamic state is not

a terrorist group. it is any regular army using terrorist tactics. the document of atrocities in could kidnappings, beheadings, crucifixions, torture, slavery, rape, and summary mass executions, including 500 iraqi soldiers at a military base in june when it was seized. now we come to foreign fighters. , bothngle greatest threat to the united states, to the region, and to the government of iraq and what remains of the government in syria. the surge came in foreign fighters after they declared a caliphate the summer. anywhereates range from 10,000 up to 30,000, depending on who you listen to. there are at least 700 french foreign fighters, 500 rates, and as we know, the number of americans, while unclear, has been reported in somewhere of the neighborhood of 100. many of those foreign fighters will die in the battlefield.

just yesterday, british investigators reported that they believe possibly have have returned to the united kingdom. that is a problem. it is a problem to track them. it is part of what makes so critically important identifying the individual in the videotape, not just because you want to capture and punish the individual who is responsible for the beheadings of the two americans, but because you want to be able to backtrack through the network, the pipeline that got him there, the pipeline that recruited him in the united kingdom, presuming that is where he's from, and the network of associates that he leaves behind. >> frankly got about 30 seconds. fran, you've got about 30 seconds. >> is it time to double down? i would say it is passed down. we have a lobbyist on wednesday to gather too much momentum. is doubling down enough? i would say no. we are not doing enough now to say that doubling down would be sufficient. we need a comprehensive approach that would adequately and adequately andis

immediately resource. winning clear objectives, and the means a coalition that u.s. must lead. >> i will take a prerogative of the moderator to give you a minute or so, mike. me define what double down means to me. it can mean a lot of different things. thating down means to me wherever al qaeda poses a threat to united states today, or is likely to throw -- to pose a threat to united states, we need to put as much pressure on them as possible. what history has shown in this entire fight is that when you put pressure on them, you can degrade them. you can disrupt plotting and reduce the chances they will be successful. when you take that pressure off, history has been very clear that rebuild, and, they a gain capabilities to attack us. we are under threat today from al qaeda in pakistan, al qaeda in yemen, and isis. and there are places in the

world that if we don't watch, we will face a 9/11 style threat again. double down, absolutely. >> dan, let's start with you. >> thanks to the mccain institute and giving me an opportunity to speak with our three old end -- old friends and very, very distinguished colleagues. i want to pull a fast one on the organizers by saying, despite the title of this debate, i don't think there's any discussion about whether or not we should double down. the events of the last few months has been horrifying. the real question is, how do we double down? and to answer that we have to determine what kind of threat we face that will determine what kind of response. we need some precision here. it is clear, as fran demonstrated, that the islamic state is a group of unparalleled brutality as well as surprisingly capable