control and distribute marijuana? >> i look at it as a mom. i think any legalization of marijuana i am not supportive of it. i do have a lot of compassion for the families that are seeing solution for their children's epilepsy and i can see a pathway there. >> some of the state-by-state pathways are being hamstrung by the fact you cannot transport this product across state lines and there are a lot of federal regulations that make difficult. would you as a congress person say the states know best about what is right for them? >> well i think iowa is work ing through the problems and rule process. so i think we have to let that process work. >> you believe in leaving the law the way it is? >> at this point, yes. >> mr. young, should the state

be able to write their own destiny when it comes to medical marijuana or should we keep the war on drugs in place in the federal system? >> the states are doing it regardless of the federal laws. that is happening. i have a number of parents who have tried every effective means of therapy to help their child with epilepsy and i want them to have the most safe and effective products available. if that is medical marijuana, but i believe we need make sure the fda has a roll to make sure it is safe and effective. >> candidates i want to mention the veterans affairs administration. would you allow a veteran to have a voucher and go get medical care anywhere? if so, why have the va? >> i pass by the iowa veteran cemetery and pass by and think about the men and women who served our country and what we just witnessed with what has

been happening with the va program. it didn't just happen under this administration. we a new director with secretary mcdonald and he gave it 90 days to turn it around chatty but i believe the veterans should have vouchers. >> ms. appel, would you give them vouchers to go anywhere and if so why the have the va? >> the veterans want the system fixed and funded and streamline the program. we just had the president sign into law if you live 45 minutes outside you can get care where you are at. >> you mentioned good paying jobs needing to be created. what is the single most important thing you can do as congresswoman to create good paying jobs?

>> we need to make sure we fund the small business administration and their loan program. this is what creates the best paying jobs. when they want to expand their business they need to know small businesses are funded. >> go after the united states tax code that is 75,000 page and comply complicates the lives of every american. >> 18 months ago, neither one of you were seeking this office. if you are elected mr. young how long will you serve? >> as long as the people want me and as long as i have the desire. >> i am probably the same way. either as long as the people will have me. i plan to work hard for the people of iowa. >> neither of you would term limit yourself?

>> i would not do a self-imposed term limits, but i think term limits are something that should be discussed in congress. when i serve on the board of directors i don't want to spend longer years on it. we need to bring new information in. >> i would not self-impose term limits on myself. i think elections are term limits. you have to think about the government workers work 30 to 50 years and they will outlast. >> i am time limited and we are out of it. thank you so much for being with us. >> this is the third in iowa public televisions special election programming. iowa's most comprehensive state investigation. beginning with the governor's race and then the second congressional candidates debating in iowa city. for the entire crew, live from the iowa western community college in council bluffs, i am

dean borg and thanks for joining us. >> democratic candidate chad taylor had withdrawn from the race. his name will remain on the ballot. kansas senator pat roberts and challenger greg orman debated various issues. >> who is greg orman really? he has run against pat roberts before as a democrat. he gave $38,000 to liberal democrats. orman gave thousands to hillary, harry reid, and barack obama. obama, greg warman will say anything to get elected, even pretending he is a conservative like pat roberts. >> i agree with the senator. i don't disagree with the senator. i grew senator roberts.

just so we're clear, i agree with the senator. >> i want to take a stand and tell us what party will caucus with. would you be a republican one day and a democrat the next, or a democrat one day and a republican the next. >> phony politicians like warman and obama are the problem. principled conservatives like pat roberts are the can -- are the solutions. >> i'm pat roberts, and i approve this message. >> you want to get things done in america, we need to have true independence in washington. the blood willing to stand up to the best idea, regardless of whether it comes from a different party. problems are getting solved. i'm a businessman who solves problems every day. i believe we can come the place where you go to start a business. that we can become the innovation nation. we can do that with the leadership we have. i'm greg orman, and i approve this message.

allington is broken, we know it, and that threatens the future of every candidate. the country that put a man on the moon and harvested the power of the atom is capable of doing great things. i'm a businessman who solves problems every day. i believe we can have another american century. if we elect problem solvers, not extreme partisans. orman, the independent for u.s. senate, and i approve this message. --ardless of party medicines labels, we are all americans. >> the debate between pat roberts and greg orman took place at the kansas state fair in hutchison. courtesy of wibw radio and its -- this is an hour. >> good morning. once again, welcome to the kansas state fair in hutchison. and the bretz and young injury lawyers arena. we bring you the u.s. senatorial

debate. the focus of politics is squarely on the state of kansas. i'm with the kansas radio network. i will be serving as the moderator for the u.s. senatorial debate. before introduce the candidates come i wanted to use the folks who will be asking the questions. is liz menton you with the kansas radio network in topeka. people who were on the governor's panel, michael anchor and nick sweeney, the managing editor of the hays daily news. our timekeeper is todd that and your, news director with tsa already know in salina. to what were similar had in the governor's debate. two candidates will have 90 seconds for an opening and closing statement. they will have one minute to respond to questions. the candidate who answers first

also will have 30 seconds of rebuttal time. you are not here to listen to me, you are here listen to the candidates. on to the candidates. greg orman, the independent candidate. [applause] greg is an olathe, kansas businessman involved with several businesses. he also cofounded the common sense coalition in 2010. mr. orman, your opening statement. >> good morning. my name is greg norman, i grew up in a signal parent family. good morning. norman -- greg orman. >> settle down. >> good morning.

i learned that assault problems at a young age. having to share a problem -- a bathroom guarantees that. i watched my mom struggled to pay our bills and make ends meet. with the help of dedicated teachers, great public schools come i was able to go to college and ultimately start my own business. lived the american dream, i realize that all is not right with america. our system of government is broken. and we all know which. we are sending the worst of both parties there. bitter partisan to care more about pleasing extremists than they do about solving problems. and we have serious problems to solve as a nation, from health care and higher education afford ability to stagnant wages, to living within our means as a country. if we don't solve these problems, our status in the world, our standard of living, and the very existence of the middle class in america is at risk. both parties, and i have been disappointed.

that is why i am running for the united states senate as an independent. [applause] >> i realize it is difficult to know what to think about nonpartisan candidate. like you towould believe that i'm a liberal masquerading as an independent. some democrats are starting to call me a conservative. i guess they can't even agree on that. what i am is a fiscally responsible businessman who will work hard to go to washington and solve problems, not play party politics. i will be beholden only to you, not the party boss. [laughter] [applause] senator pat roberts is concluding his third term in the united states senate. yes served in the house of representatives from 1981 to

1997, serving as chairman of the house agriculture committee, and chairman of the senate intelligence committee. he is the senior member of the senate agriculture committee. senator roberts, your opening statement. >> thank you. [applause] [cheers] >> thank you. wibw for for sponsoring this debate. cats! dole endorsed me for reelection, he said when the world is on fire, and chaos and scandal at home, we must have proven and experienced leadership to safeguard national security, and get our economy on a soundtrack. there is only one candidate here today that has that experienced leadership. i have a proven record. i have a proven record, and is a

senior member of the senate and in finance committee, i look forward to what we get a couple is together under a new republican majority. [applause] , we must, we must stop the obama agenda. we have to break harry reid stranglehold on the senate. passed, the house is passed over 350 bills, all of which are stuck in the senate. good legislation goes to die. i am the only candidate on the stage who will vote to put harry reid out to pasture, and break the gridlock. [cheers] wants you tot believe that he is an independent. he is not. he is a liberal democrat by philosophy. he has given thousands of dollars to barack obama, hillary clinton, and harry reid.

[boos] people know better. they won't be fooled by rhetoric. be for thete will majority in the new york senate. you can count on it. [applause] >> before we get to our way, i lovey the the enthusiasm that we have seen here so far this morning. but a reminder, please be courteous in responding to each of the candidates, and please refrain from responding until they have completed their statements. authoritytor, has the to add time to a candidate if they feel like their response has been interrupted by audience members. you didn't come to hear me, you came to hear the candidates. we would like for that to happen. for those who are undecided and their votes on november 4.

let's get to the questions. the first question will come from liz menton you know -- liz montano. >> my question is for either of you to answer. the epa and the army corps of have ars have a proposal plan to expand the clean water act. the plan that has come under criticism. critics claim the waters in question are already regulated at the state level. do you suppose -- do you support the proposal? >> i do not support the proposal of the government taking over the u.s. water. [applause] of the congress, we met with secretary gene mccarthy. nine senators said to her how much damage this was going to do

to farmers and rangers. this proposal started out as two pages. then there is 88 pages, three and 63 pages you want to read it. and yet we are supposed to be exempting farmers and ranchers. what we are talking about is farm ponds. farm ponds are supposed to be clean enough so that all the farmers can go swim at a farm upon. that is ridiculous. farm on the know suffers making duck whatever land on. -- would ever land on. i told you to mccarthy, and said no farmer, no farmer organization could figure that out. we urged her to back off area let the state control this. our governor has a 50 year water plan. let's work on that, let's cue the federal government out. , i said we might back off think she will back off.

>> time. >> until the election, then look out. agree that farm ponds should be regularly by the epa. in fact, as a businessman, i have to face regulars in the rune. my father, who owned a furniture fore, and stanley kansas, 41 years, refers to this as the beehive of regulation. we end up facing regulatory burdens from the state, and federal agencies. and i agree, those burdens are inappropriate and bad for business. what i will say is, i think the senator could demonstrate more leadership here. should actually propose changes to the rules that make it explicitly clear that the epa is not regulating farm ponds. i think that is what he should have one of his staffers do, so

that there can be clarity for farmers in the state of kansas. [applause] >> senator roberts, 30 seconds rebuttal. , i've artie done that. we are ready have a bill. and it is bipartisan. of epa,he secretary gina mccarthy, back off. as i said before, think she will, until the elections. and that is the way it is. but my opponent has a record of voting for barack obama. running against me as a democrat. and donating to harry reid. if we didn't have harry reid in the senate, we could consider that bill, and we would take care of it. [applause] >> the next question comes from michael in wichita.

it will go to mr. orman. >> this is for both, i think we have to address it because it has been crazy in the last few days. we were supposed to have three podiums here on the stage. in the last few days, we received news that the democrat in this race decided to take himself out of the race. though his name will remain on the ballot. mr. orman, you said that this news was unexpected. senator roberts, you said this was a corrupt bargain between orman and national democrats. how does this change the race? >> that question is addressed to me. unexpected. i have been asked to buy had anything to do with it. all i can say is our progress in the polls was obviously something he had to take into consideration. [applause] the fact that our message is resonating with kansans, that kansas folks do believe that washington is

broken. they believe we are sending the worst of both parties. solve our problems as a nation, we will have to get back into the serious business of problem-solving instead of simply positioning to get reelected. [applause] what ourtely, that is campaign is about. that is the message that we brought to kansans. that's what lead over 11,000 kansans to sign a petition to get us on the ballot. [applause] roberts?r >> this is the first time i've ever seen national democrats really work very hard to get democrat off the ballot. [laughter] >> and i have worked with claire mccaskill across the aisle in a bipartisan manner. when claire mccaskill calls the democrat candidate and urges him

to get off the ballot, you know something fishy is going on. and i have a message for claire mccaskill. we have had a lot of people from missouri, cross the border, stay in missouri. don't try to mess around in kansas politics. [applause] >> again, my opponent has a record of voting for barack obama, running against me as a democrat, and voting for harry reid. if you want to make change in washington, get rid of harry reid. put them out to pasture. i am the only candidate that can do that. [applause] >> mr. orman, 30 seconds rebuttal. >> this does create a unique situation. i think it is the first time that i have heard a republican complain about disenfranchising democratic voters. [cheers]

>> i want to go to washington to get rid of all partisanship. and to focus on problem-solving. and that is all this is about. [applause] comes from question net, with the hays daily news. this is to senator roberts. thehe semipermanent rent is bash does semipermanent residency matter? what are the pros and cons of returning to the district to live in a worse -- live and work. [indiscernible] kansas know more about and anybody else this table. [applause] >> i have walked with families,

i have stood with farmers in the fields of dust during the recent drought. i have been in field underwater when the river flooded. i have been cornered a quarter and border to border. i've been all 105 counties many times. i have been on more main streets then any other public official. fact, bob dole just called me and said he is out here trying to catch up. [laughter] i've a fourth-generation kansan, i was born here, educated here, done my life's work here. don't tell me i'm not from kansas. [cheers] >> the people of kansas elected me to go to the u.s. senate. the u.s. senate is in washington. my home as dodge city, and i am dam proud of it. -- damn proud of it.

>> i suspect i have been to dodge city this year more than you have. [cheers] >> how many times? >> i have been there four times. >> i've been about seven, so you are wrong about that. >> a look for the camera roll on that. i probably lived more of my adult years in kansas than you have. but what i will say, to be perfectly candid, is that i don't forget matters. matters where someone lives come i to get matters how they vote. when it comes to voting for kansas, and standing up for kansas values, senator roberts has taken a sharp turn to the right. he voted against the farm bill, he voted against veterans benefits, he voted against funding for an back, and alternately, maybe the most egregious thing was when the v.a. reform bill came up, he didn't even bother to vote on it. i think that's an affront to all

kansas veterans. [applause] senator roberts, 30 seconds rebuttal. >> i have worked very hard for kansas, every day that i have had the privilege of public service. i stood up to the president keeping terrorists out of kansas. [cheers] i brought the big redline back to fort riley. i fought to have the world's biggest tanker refueling fleet of mcconnell. i'm responsible for the lewis and clark center being based at fort leavenworth, as the finest military in diversity in the world. father of real jobs, real growth, it will transform our economy. i protected and improved crop insurance for farmers. here's a classic example. he doesn't know the farm bill. >> time it. >> the next question is from liz

montano and to be cut. this is towards mr. orman. what action should be taken by congress to curb the growing immigration crisis, intensified by an influx of unaccompanied children fleeing central america? >> great question. in immigration crisis america's an example of what's wrong with washington. when my opponent went into the house of herbs that it is, we had 3 million undocumented people. they we have over 11 million. both parties have had an opportunity to solve this problem. with democrats and republicans have failed to solve it. when i have said is for immigration reform to work, it needs to be tough, practical, and fair. we just to our borders. we continueake sure our commitment to border security, and secure our borders. by french geoeye mean it is absolutely and fragile to think that we will find to deport 11.5

million people. i think it is advised. there are whole towns that would go away in western kansas. the agricultural industry, the meatpacking industry would go away. i would make it fair to taxpayers? are here undocumented, you should register, pay a fine, obey our laws, hold down a job, and pay taxes, and then i think you should be able stay here. let's be clear, this is a problem that both parties have failed to solve. [applause] >> senator roberts? >> secure the border. [cheers] >> no amnesty. [cheers] >> one of the biggest problem we will face in washington is the president of the united states, who says he will declare by executive order and immigration policy with amnesty.

[boos] >> i think it is ironic. tremendous have this problem on the border unless the president of the united states two years ago told people 16 years and under they would not be deported. [applause] as a result, we have seen thousands come over the border. we have to secure the border. it is a cute bash a humanitarian problem that has to be done. doman, we wouldn't have this problem if we didn't have barack obama and harry reid in the senate. [applause] >> every day, i'm fighting to that my rival is caused with his support for obama and harry reid. [cheers]

>> this may surprise some people, but i actually agree that president obama taking executive action on immigration and bypassing congress isn't the right thing to do. i believe we are a nation of laws. i believet of that, that we need to solve this problem legislatively. that is where the failure lies. both parties have had an opportunity to solve this problem, and both parties haven't had the political courage to address it. [applause] >> harry reid the problem. >> the next question comes from michael in wichita. this is addressed to senator roberts. lag inas continued to job growth. if elected, how would you specifically support job growth in kansas? shows -- make it

rain. healthier --ave help here? >> we you can respond to the candidates but we want both sides to be fair on this to be able to do that. i think the business climate in kansas such that people want to know how to plan ahead. they want certainty. they do not want all this tremendous over both regulations. tonee a comprehensive regulatory reform, i have every republican vote and 10 covert democrats because they did not want to tell to harry reid. harry reid without lettuce vote on us. -- would not let us vote on it. record.the we have the biggest university in america and the world up in , and it will be $3.5

billion to begins economy. i am the father of in bath, we will get it done this session, and it will be the jewel in our effort for the health corridor. this will transform the kansas economy. >> mr. orman? a senator with statement that we need to have certainty. what that means is that congress needs distributing its business done. the professor who said we would have more growth in the agriculture sector we created certainty in our policy. we would have growth and investment in partners got their act together and let american businesses know that we're going to solve our rental crisis -- financial crisis. getting act together is the

first and foremost thing we need to do. elton brown businesses my whole life. i've traveled the state of kansas. industry inthe kansas is going to require a diverse approach. what we need is not the same thing as manhattan and in the kansas city area. i think we need to take a very distinct approach that distinguishes between the needs of our region in order to create jobs and create growth in the state. >> senator robert? >> getting business done. really. getting business done and the united states senate. really. company house and their gathering best of the senate. this is where good legislation goes to die.

it is because of harry reid who ,ill not allow any amendment republican or democrat, he does not want to put his immigrants online. i'm the only one on this data that can make a republican majority whip harry reid to pasture and get things done. >> the next question comes from the managing editor of hays daily news. it will be addressed to mr. orman. the winner of the winner of this election will play a significant role in the development of the next farm bill. what do you see as key elements necessary to equip producers with the tools to eat a hungry world -- feed a hungry world? >> the farmers i have talked to run the state say the most important element is the crop insurance program. they need to be able to plant their crops with certainty.

we are in a world where we have significantly more uncertain weather patterns. i think that is more vital to the development of the agricultural economy and the farmers of kansas. and water. senator roberts referred to the water plan to move it ails the query to look at the farm bill and make sure that we are not and furtively -- inadvertently encouraging or discouraging e planting of low-water crops. it through insuring the federal crop insurance program is significantly more expensive than planting corn. as much water.lf we'd make sure that are federal waterrograms encourage conservation so that we can preserve that resource for western kansas.

senator roberts? >> i think my opponent for bringing up crop insurance. nebraska, and i forged it some time ago. i'm the father of that. in this farm bill it was tough because there were enemies of crop insurance. i protective it, i saved it, and we improved it. that is the significant thing that we have done. he says i voted against the farm bill. number one, goes in the wrong direction. are of these formearmers not worried about the low intensity water. they will now be planting for the government instead of making the decisions themselves. more regulations, and goodness knows we don't need anymore of that. food stamps.

if there is ever a program that cries for a reform, it is missteps. -- food stamps. no,he basis of that i voted but we protected and improved crop insurance. >> mr. orman? senator roberts raised food stamps and there is no question, i've said this a lot in the campaign, while it is harder than ever for the average american to get a hint it is also paradoxically easier to do nothing with your life. i think we need to reform the social safety net and look at those programs that are being abused and trying to figure out how to promote upward mobility and accountability. the ones that are promoting complacency needs to be changed. the next question comes from the kansas radio network in

topeka. it will be directed for senator roberts. >> military budget cuts up and , the guardur troops has a dual mission to part for our nation and to protect our states, responding to our disasters here at home. what will you do to ensure national guard troops get the needed funding to train for both war and domestic response? >> exempt the military from the sequester. that means more money for our troops. our first responsibility when we go to washington is to protect our individual freedoms. our national security strategy can be summed up with the

president saying we do not have a strategy. we have to have a strategy. with isis, the savage terrorist group will make an american attack, so we must the village and. vigilant. i agree with the owner roberts, sequester is a problem. let's remember what it is. sequester is the greatest example of washington's failure to get their act together. as part of a debt ceiling agreement we were supposed to put together the supercommittee, supposedly of the best legislators from both parties, and they were supposed to come up with targeted cuts to help get our budget back under control.

sequester was the penalty provision that was never supposed to happen. ourreater example of inability to get things done in washington. i agree it is a real problem when it comes to her military. maddox, to the general and he gave me a detailed brief ing on what sequester will do to troop levels coupled repair does, and readiness command it is a problem that needs to be address. >> senator roberts? >> this was thought up by jack lew and president obama, the man you supported, and the man that you voted for. we would not have this kind of a problem. sequester,s to the

the democrat majority exempted all the time of programs and the food stamp programs, and targeted the military thinking that republicans would never go along with them. republicans apprise them because we of $18 trillion debt. so we wanted everybody and esther or not. -- under the sequester, or not. if you want to go back and listen to this debate afterwards you can go to our website, wibwnews.com. the next question comes from kwch tv in wichita. just on this.erts two american journalists have

recently been a kidded by the provisos. do you agree with the president's actions thus far? what has been done right, what has been done wrong, and how do you think the u.s. should deal with isis? >> isis is a huge issue. we spent thousands of lives of americans, we have spent hundreds of billions of dollars, trying to prevent muslim extremists from having a wrong hold in the eastern countries -- a stronghold in the middle eastern countries. the vacuum that we left has caused this. many to do everything in our power to make sure that they cannot stand. airstrikes, absolutely. providing military advice and counsel to the iraqis, that is actually necessary. the we're going to have to take further measures to be able to address isis. one of the things that we need to consider is that we do not

have a properly functioning iraqi government. problem the in that region there going to get a properly functioning government. that is the biggest problem where quite have to deal with. >> senator roberts? >> the president has known for over a year, on his daily briefings, that isis was growing as a threat. and yet we were used to call the war against terrorism a war. dead, and the terrorist threat is over, that was the mantra. that is not correct and the president knew that. and then he says we do not have a strategy. wehave to have a strategy, have a president that will stand up to the american people and demonstrate exactly what the dangers are to our national

security. and then say here is my strategy. then he must come to the congress and seek authorization. i don't know hungry to support that are not spending on what his strategy is between do not even know that yet. but i know that what th -- but i know one thing, i have serious doubts that this president has the will or the ability to conduct any military operation. ofhas a view of america leaving by following. and leaving by following has caused all of these voids. >> i think we can go back to the .eginning of the iraq war

comes to youident with a plan, you have to consider it. he wouldy to hear that consider it because previously he said he would fight president obama and that is a much more believable thing. >> our next question comes from the managing editor of the hays daily news. this will be directed to senator roberts. >> where do you stand on the issue of legalization of marijuana in the united saints? -- united states? issue. is not a federal that is a state issue. if you want to get a rocket y mountain high, go west. kansasould be for the

legislature and governor to decide. not federally. we have had a federal policy in this country since the next administration that does not seem to be working great way spent spend over a trillion dollars on it. as the senator manchin we do have states that have started to work with different policies as a relates to legalization. i think it would be prudent for us to take a step back, watch what happens in those days before we determine how we want to change federal policy. >> senator would you like rebuttal? >> i do not ever rebuttal. the next question comes from the kansas rate in network into being cap. this will be directed toward mr. orman. the patriot act was hammered out in short measure following 9/11 and is now believed by many

to be an over whether the federal government which unduly infringes on the rights and civil liberties of law-abiding in point could be the reason irs scandal. do feel the patriot act is as is or does need modifications? please elaborate. obviously, we passed the patriot act and a time when our country was under attack by terrorists. and we passed it with great intentions. and ultimately with the believe that this was what we needed to do to protect our citizens. i think it is a very fine line that we walked between protecting our citizens and infringing upon their legitimate right of privacy. if this isould say going to be an ongoing debate in our country. it is not going to be resolved in one election cycle. it will likely evolve. but it will have to the above as threats evolved.

named isis ishave as a terrorist organization, we need to make sure that we have the ability to reject the on land, particularly if they are get a foothold in the middle east. roberts?r >> i think we have to keep the patriot act because of the terrorist threats that are growing. this is a delicate bounce between civil liberties and our national defense, our safety in america. you mentioned the irs scandal. we have been investigating the iris scandal and that all of the sudden lois lerner lost her hard drive and then there were six others. and so we refuse to sign the democrat report that said we have been enough and we can get the communication from the white house or the treasury. i wanted tell you there is a member of the finance committee that that is wrong.

not signing that. i will go to the floor of the senate and i will talk about it. and so finally said we will not sign the report to we get to the truth. the first point that i will have when i go back to washington is an attack by harry reid on all things to change the first amendment. to change the first amendment. and i have five minutes to talk against harry reid. this is the man he supported he with money. he is not independent. he is liberal. >> 32nd rebuttal. i think we do not live in the information age as we live in the misinformation ange.

what senator roberts wants to do is point the very small facts and distort my whole record. i have supported both parties i've been a member of the public and public art -- i've been a member of both parties. and candidly i've been does weighted with both. -- disappointed with both. >> the next question comes kwchwch television -- from television for mr. roberts. what is your opinion on candidates receiving money from those outside groups or interests? sense [indiscernible]

really think the biggest issue of all is transparency. theink if people know where money is coming from, i think that is the biggest reform we can make. i would also say that under the you citizens united supreme court ruling, they have ruled everybody has the right to free speech. that is the reason that harry reid is going to try to amend constitution. you can holler all you want, but he has that amendment. congress can determine how much money we can all get and what is reasonable. that is ridiculous. congress cannot do anything with harry reid at the helm. >> i have heard you say harry

a wholeama and fight lot. what i have not heard from you is solve the problem. what i have not heard from you -- is what you are going to do to get things done. and i think that is what the voters from kansas need to hear from you. pacsnot taking money from because i want to go to washington and represent only the citizens of i do not want to -- citizens of kansas. i do not want to go to washington and think about what the pharmaceutical industry about what iking might be doing very i do not want to go and see what the oil gas industry will be thinking about what i am doing. i want to solve problems for all americans.

>> senator roberts? pieces of40 legislation covering every part of the kansas economy that is being overregulated by this in a strange and the administration that my opponent is possible for . i cannot get them addressed. no republican can offer an amendment in the senate of the notice days. we're not have a budget in the senate for five years. that is harry reid. rules senate.man why should anyone believe you are independent? >> the next question comes from

the managing editor of the hays daily news. this question will be for mr. orman. >> what is your stance on gun control in the u.s.? own two guns. i believe in the second amendment. when i got my gun i had to go through a background check. it was a relatively great process. ultimately i was able to buy my gun without delay. i do not think having a loophole that allows people who couldn't get their guns and illegitimate gun dealer is sound policy. eat open to addressing the gun show loophole.

and to think about who is denied buying guns it is those who should not have guns. and does not mean that they will not regret having it somewhere else. i just do not think it makes sense to make it easy for a whoict appellant or someone was under a restraining order for domestic abuse to be able to walk into a gun show and easily get a gun. >> senator roberts? >> there you have it. there you have it. second amendment, but, more federal control, more federal requirements. i am for the second amendment. i have always been. let me point out, many of the things that my appointment has are in law in

washington dc. washington dc at the strictest gun control in america. and it has one of the highest crime rates resulting from guns. don't mess with people's right to bear arms with any restrictions. comeis what is going to from the obama administration, that is the man he supported. that is the man he gave money to. >> 32nd rebuttal? >> and a shocking we did not hear the name harry reid in that. it might be -- >> i just miss the opportunity. just thought it was because harry reid sided with you and

background checks. i guess will talk about him when he does not side with you. we do not want people with automatic weapons. those are things that everybody agrees is reasonable. and i think making sure that the convicted felons do not have guns is probably good thing. >> the next question comes from kansas radio network in to the cap -- in topeka. >> social security is the biggest program run by the federal government. acting for everybody in america, but the stability continues to be in question, what course of action would you push for to protect social security for today's seniors and strengthen it for future generations?

i'm not going to take away your soul security -- social security. 55 does not have to worry about a reform measure. you do not have to weigh about it in the next part of the session. harry reid will block federal quick./that real the united states is rogue. $18 trillion worth of debt. in someplaceoint we're going to have to address all of the entitlement programs. but i will tell you one thing, with obamacare taking money away from medicare, that is a mistake. the medicare reimbursement is causing a crisis to the rural

health care delivery system and we have to say medicare, and we must honor the commitments to social security, and we have to fix medicaid. it will happen will we change the congress to a new republican majority and we can make a difference. >> i agree that both chambers of congress are running in an overly partisan way. i agree that harry reid is stopping progress, but so are their publicans in the house. -- the republicans in the house. senator roberts is talking about are $18 trillion debt. but let's not forget in the last decade senator roberts voted for almost every spending bill. the presidential election in 2000 was the only election in my lifetime where we were talking about what to do with surplus.

roberts and harry reid -- we spendugh spending, trillions of dollars in the first half of that decade taking surpluses and turning them into deficits. the idea that you're fiscally conservative is not demonstrated by the evidence. senator roberts? my opponent seems to have forgotten the half $1 trillion cut that i've proposed since obama came to power. parties are not perfect. everybody knows that. there are some things you cannot compromise on. you cannot compromise on terrorism, you cannot compromise on your kids, you cannot

and these on the future fact that you do get the senate turned around. i just want to know when you're good to take a stand and what party you're going to caucus with. are you going to be a republican one day and a democrat the next? where are you going to be at go -- to be? >> we hate to end on that note but we do need to get to the closing statements. have time constraints on what we are allowed to do so we do need to get to the opening statements. you have the first closing statement. thanks to the panel for a perfect debate and thanks to senator roberts for being here. and a special thanks to my wife and my family for all their love and support.

we believe in the value of hard work. if we believe in accountability. we believe in working together to get things done. it is time to elect a senator that shares those values. we are a country that put a man on the moon, that figured out how to harvest the power of the adam, that figured out how to take computers that used to fill a room and put them on the head of a pen. i believe that country and those people when they work together and put their minds together can solve any problem. i am running as an independent so reject the false choices that the two-party system has presented us with. i believe we can have affordable and high-quality health care. of i believe we can have secure borders and a humane immigration policy. i believe we can balance our budget and meet our commitments to our seniors and i believe we can have a new american century. but we will not get there, we

will not get there if we keep electing partisans instead of problem solvers. i look forward to going to washington to start a real conversation on how we solve our problem. in i am asking for your vote november to finally get washington back into the business of solving problems for all americans regardless of party label. the garlands of party label we all -- we are all americans and we will rise and fall together. >> ladies and gentlemen we are going to run out of time. senator roberts, your closing statement. kansas need someone in washington with conviction and a backbone. i don't think my opponent has either. first he says he is republican then he says he is democrat. this year he becomes an independent. do you want to risk our children

and grandchildren's chill -- grand children's children to that? that fight must continue. i have voted against obamacare every time and i will continue that fight. we must stop president obama implement an amnesty by executive order. we must secure our border. i will continue that fight. proposingis clear, nearly half a trillion in spending cuts since a obama came to power. i will continue that fight. continue to protect our role in national security again and again. drugs -- real jobs, real growth. of i will fight to restore the freedom of kansas families to choose their own health care and doctors. i will fight to pass the

keystone pipeline to lead us to energy independence. that means real jobs for kansas. most of all i will fight every waking minute to restore our faith in government, restore individual freedoms, i am the only one on this stage that can be trusted to change the senate. i ask for your vote. >> that concludes our broadcast. thank you for joining us live from the kansas state fair. >> the kansas governor's race is listed as a tossup by the cook political report. incumbent a public and sam brownback is trailing paul davis -- republican sam brownback is trailing paul davis. >> i go out and help once in a while but dad does not allow me

to drive the combine. i am not old enough. of the values and the character that they made in that hard work on that family farm is just amazing. we have people rolling back to rural kansas. families are coming in. >> kansas welfare rose -- kansas welfare role has been cut in half. way out of poverty is not just to get pittance from the government. it is what you taught us. it is education, work, family structure. him >> we have 50,000 new private sector jobs. in kansas andning don't let anyone tell you anything different. tradition of strong public schools began.

i am paul davis, my parents were teachers, and i know kansas can do better than governor brownback's largest single cut to school funding in state history. your kids and grandkids we have to restore those cuts. education means economic opportunity. i will not allow strong kansas schools to become a thing of the past. >> i am paul davis. we demonstrate the direction governor brownback has been taking our state. three kansas rating downgrades in one year. now he says he is going to hit the accelerator on his agenda. i am paul davis, kansas can do better. faced brownback democratic challenger paul davis at the debate in the kansas state fair in hutchison.

they discussed a range of topics that included education, health care, and agriculture. this is an hour. >> i will be the moderator for the first debate. before i introduce the candidates i want to introduce the people who are going to be asking questions here today. they are down front. our media panel includes nick sweeney, managing editor of the hays daily news, a reporter htv -- four debussy r kwch tv.

and keeping with the statewide election we have statewide reporters here today. our two candidates will each have 90 seconds for an opening statements and 90 seconds for a closing statement. they will have one minute to respond to questions. the candidates who answers first will also have 30 seconds of rebuttal time. is important, please be courteous in responding to each pleasecandidates and refrain from responding until they have completed their statements. there moderator does have the authority to add time to a if i feel that his response has been interrupted by audience members. brownback has -- this partears

of it is not timed. served as the 46th governor of kansas. he served as secretary of agriculture, served as one term representing kansas in the u.s. house of representatives, and two full terms in the u.s. senate. his running mate is jeff collier. governor sam brownback. his democratic challenger in -- election [applause] is state representative paul davis. representative davis has spent the last 11 years in the kansas

house of representatives, since 2008. he has served as minority leader in the house. dockinging mate is jill . governor brownback will have the first opening statement. >> the second. >> my apologies. representative davis will have the first. >> welcome to the state fair. i am paul davis, an independent thinker. son of twoo the teachers and the parent of a soon-to-be kindergarten or. that is why public education is personal to me. have been a 12 year champion for public schools. -- that is why i will make

restoring those cuts my top priority as governor. byt is why i am supported over 100 current and former republican elected officials. the governor's experiment just isn't working. we are trailing our surrounding states in the rest of the country and virtually every economic growth indicator is it has plunged our state deep into death -- deep into debt. jeopardizing our schools and future. a we can do better. we have a clear choice about whether we are going to restore the cuts to our public schools and get the state moving again or hit the accelerator on a failed economic experiment. the governor is going to try to convince you i am somebody different than who i am. he is going to convince you his record is something different than what it is. i am a moderate commonsense leader who values

our public schools and will make them my very top priority as governor. >> good morning kansas. good morning kansas state fair. good to have you here. i have been coming to these for over 40 years and i love the great kansas get together. everything you have heard from representative davis is wrong, i am sorry to say. there are more kansans working now than ever in the history of the state. we put more money into education than ever in the history of the state. is a big one, i support our rural schools. my opponent, unfortunately, does

not share my support for rural schools. saidop education advisor this, consolidation is inevitable. the sooner they realize that the better off they will be. i say no forest consolidation of for oral schools. aurora --lidation of no forced consolidation of rural schools. thank you for being here at the kansas state fair. this is a great get together and we will have a lively debate. >> i want to remind our audience again as we get into this debate please be courteous. i will add time if i feel you

are interrupting the candidates. after he has answered you can do whatever you want to within reason. to our questions, the first question will come from alex. >> let's talk education funding. spent $14009, kansas gift last year it was 130 800 according to the legislative research department. spendingel like we are enough money per student and what would you do to ensure our interest to set up? >> governor brownback will answer first. >> thank you for the question. we have put a record amount of money into education and we are going to continue to spend and spend aggressively for education in the state of kansas.

we put 52% of our budget and it. those are numbers. i want to talk people. my daughter is a fifth-grade teacher and she loves teaching. it is the teachers that do so much for us in making our state a great place. my oldest son is going into education. i started out in education. we are putting record amounts of money in education. we do that because we love education. we see education as a transformative thing. i was elected state president. .hat is what i am going to do we value the system that produces such great people.

>> governor brownback is going to try hard to rewrite his record on education but he simply has never made education a priority. he voted against head start repeatedly. he voted against afterschool programs, voted against new teachers. then he implemented the largest single cut to public school funding in state history and called it a victory. her -- cut early childhood education. we need a governor who is going to make the cuts governor brownback maître schools the very top priority and that is what i will do as governor. >> 30 seconds of rebuttal time. i wish paul davis would have voted for some of the money we put into education.

mark parkinson said this. for he was looking reelection in 2010 and said i'm not going to be governor again because i am the architect of the largest budget cut in the history of the state of kansas and paul davis voted for that. he talks a good game and then he votes the other way. >> next question. to mock him from the managing editor of the daily news. >> it is estimated we have -- 380,000uisitions residents without coverage.

governor brownback, do you have any future plans? >> i will tell you what i will do, i have spent a lot of time listening to hospital administrators, listening to a nursing home administrators, listening to people who own home health agencies, and listening to those over 150 thousand kansans that can get coverage from this. our rural hospitals desperately need this. i have had too many conversations with rural administrators who say they may have to close their doors if this does not happen. we can inject $3 billion into our state economy. politicsgoing to play with this. i am going to follow what other republican governors are going to do. that's what we should do.

>> let me be put clear, were presented to davis wants us to implement obamacare. obama care will cost us $1 billion to implement. listll move ahead of the created by the former administration and medicare. took money from medicare, which puts it into medicaid, which doesn't go as much. that is taking money directly from our rural hospitals. shouldn't have reported obamacare in the first place. we have expanded medicaid. we have added 80,000 people to medicaid since i have been

governor and we have taken people off the waiting list because of dr. colliers lurk -- dr. colliers work. >> representative davis, 32nd rebuttal time. >> i don't think you are listening to our hospitals. this is an issue of survival for them. on top of your program, which has been a disaster for them, they have claim after claim after claim denied. it is limited care or no care in some circumstances. i am going to follow those republican governors, your friends, who say they are going to do the right thing with this. they have put the people of their state before politics and that is exact the what i am

going to do. >> i am reminded again we are in the young injury lawyers arena. let's hope we do not have any injured lawyers before this is over today. a gorgeous day here. our next question will come from michael, k w ch tv in wichita. governorll go to brownback first. >> i want to know who is taking credit for the weather today. >> i have been praying a lot. them of the kansas legislature nonpartisan research staff shows a budget shortfall developing by july 2016.

there'll be a $238 million shortfall. how do you address that if you cut -- if not will you raise taxes? >> when i came into office the prior administration that paul davis had voted for and helped $876 and as of one pointicit $5 billion over the next 16 to 18 months. year withhis fiscal $444 million cash on hand. we are growing and hitting our budget numbers. we are going to put those budgets together and be in great shape. my opponent has said the sky is

falling. our budget is in a catastrophe. we are going to continue to perform and perform well in having a good solid budget and investing in k-12 education record amounts of money likely have to and. >> governor brownback is sticking his head in the sand on this issue. 870 six dollar number has been disproved over and over again. you need to stop saying that. there were over $230 million in the bank when you took office. we are in a situation of debt.

1.3 billion dollars over the next five years. is jeopardizing the quality of education for an entire generation of kansas kids. going to stand for it. we have to do something about it. >> paul davis has proposed to do something about it. taxes.o raise income is proposing to save 17% income tax on people making $15,000. wire they even paying income taxes in the first place? we should allow them to earn money they can keep and they can use in their own life. he thinks the government spends your money better than you do.

>> our next question comes from alex with the new staff. -- with the radio new staff. agriculture is able to withstand a lot of economic woes. is this early signs of struggle for the industry in the state? >> this will go to representative davis first. he -- agricultural, and agricultural economy is vital to our state. we have to deal with this water problem we have. i will give the governor a little bit of credit.

the problem is we have not made it a priority. are going tos we have to devote some resources to this. ourgovernor has defunded water plan every year he has been in office. andannot address this issue the other critical issues we have not only for kansas agriculture but for the whole state when our state is in $1.3 billion of debt. that is where the governor's economic spirit has taken us. >> i have some concerns for the agriculture industry and a lot of it comes from the obama administration, which my opponent supports. the obama administration wants to regulate water in every ditch in the state of kansas.

they want to rule the ditch, i say ditch the rule. the the obama administration wants to regulate chickens in the state of kansas. they want to regulate all of the range. i want you to be able to have a home and a business on the range. it is opposed to rural america and fighting our way of life and opportunities. fastest growing america. kansas wind production has stumbled since i have been in office. agricultural continue to grow under a second brownback administration. know agriculture. it is going to do well in the brownback administration. >> you mentioned the wind

industry, your support from the wind industry, which seems to be changing here lately. we are going to help rural kansas and have to have a renewable portfolio standard that is going to show the wind industry we are open for business. a few weeks ago you said you supported it and now you did not. what is your position? are you going to support it? >> i am going to support a lot more than you do. >> will you veto a bill -- this is a critical issue for our state. repeal -- i will stand up to the wind industry in our state. -- we need it for our economy.

>> we need to get on with our questions. i am certainly glad i wore my control priests this morning. briefs this morning. nobody said the soviet dole debate. a said this was going to be told debate. the next question will go to governor brownback first. even though a plan is being no forceher there is to push irrigators to cut down their usage. voluntary efforts would be crate but they fly in the face of economics. would either of you advocate what is doing -- advocate doing what is truly necessary for

reductions? , without water we have no future. that is why put so much time and effort into the issues of water in the state. that is why i appealed the use it or lose it doctrine. we implemented a strategy that i think is the right way forward. it may be in the weeds for you but what it is is a group of agriculture farmers, users, city people, that are using water and buying themselves -- and binding themselves together. that themselves together over a five-year period to reduce the amount of water used by six inches. that will amount to a period of expand theill aquifer. this is what i have been working on since i was in law school. we have a 50 year water fishing being developed.

we have to address our reservoirs. we will have water supplies in eastern kansas as well. is the most critical long-term issue that our state has. i will tell you that everybody who is a stakeholder in this debate will agree on one thing, it is going to take some resources to address this issue and we have to address this issue because it is vital to our state's economy. the governor attacked me for not having credibility. credibility means you would fund the current water plan we have but he has the funded it every year he has been in office in order to subsidize his economic experiment that is failing our call -- led to three red accreting -- three red

it grading downgrades. it means more school cuts down the road. >> i don't know where you learned your math but it must be one of those new things so many people do not agree with because your math is all wrong. >> our unemployment raised 4.9%. we have a record number of kansans working. we have the fastest-growing economy in the region. i don't know where he gets his math. if foodie you think he would appoint?

>> the next question comes from michael in wichita. >> am i that boring? this one goes to mr. davis. >> i can -- i have a couple of directed questions. you criticize your opponent on education funding issues. you, what is your special plan for education and how can you pay for it? are you willing to raise taxes for education? any billion made dollar mistakes. we cannot grow as a state if we're going to be encumbered by

debt that is going to lead to more school cuts. governor brownback has shown us before he will cut schools. outs and our fiscal let's make restoring -- >> we continue to put funds in it and more funds in it. let's go through this cut. the cut was the obama stimulus money that paul davis agreed putting in the budget in 2010. me a $500 million

projected whole. these are budgets and situations that he left. him he left a train wreck in the state of kansas and he is a democratic leader. kansashe nancy pelosi of . >> governor, you can blame everybody you want. the fact remains you made the single largest cut to school funding. i talked to teachers the other day and it is over 30 kids in our classroom because of the ted's -- of the cuts you made to public schools.

that is what i will be as governor. >> for the benefit of our radio -- it is being streamed on our website and running on many radio stations throughout our state. there is no seating room left in this arena. we have many people on the sides. i have been to this fair for many years and i've never seen this many people in here. >> our next question will come from alex and will go to governor brownback first. >> with fewer jobs offering

-- what will you do to help kansas safe so they can have a secure financial future? >> one of the things they have already done is fix the capers mess that i inherited. the capers system was in the bankruptcy zone. it was in the bankruptcy zone with about a $10 billion unfunded obligation. we put more funds in it. people have a cash balance system. number of different rating agencies we are rated middle of the pack.

it is an amazing accomplishment that they were able to do on a bipartisan basis and move that system on forward. it has been a fabulous accomplishment moving that system on forward to solvency. >> i am very proud to have jill docking as my running mate, who has devoted 30 years as a financial advisor and she has been a strong advocate on this issue for many years. what we can do to help people save is get our economy above the national average, not below the national average. we are trailing the states in our region in virtually every economic indicator there is. a our credit rating has been downgraded three times.

in 2013 more businesses closed up shop then open the shop. a it is because we have an economic experiment that isn't working. is how we are going to help kansas. >> when he talks about a kansas model he is talking about raising your taxes. this initial tax increase goes to people making $15,000 per year. him i don't know why they are paying income taxes in the first place. our plan is creating jobs. iscut the income taxes, she in a position expanding her business from topeka to manhattan. the we had record numbers of new business. him i don't know if you can find

that office or what. that is what is happening in the state of kansas. >> next question will come from nick. >> what are your thoughts and your stance on the proposed power plant being located in kansas? >> this will go to representative davis first. came for theissue legislature a number of years ago i represented my district on this issue. the fact of the matter is the

permit has been issued and it is out of the hands of elected officials at this time. there is nothing governor brownback or i can do more. him what we do need to -- what we do need to do is grow the energy sector of our economy. that iswe can do support the wind industry and show the wind industry that we are open for business. we have to have a governor that will stand up for our renewable portfolio standards. governor brownback said i didn't really mean that a few hours later and then a couple of days later said he will phase out. we need certainty. they need a governor who is going to stand behind them because this is critical to the future of our economy. >> those were your people.

i like the bongos, by the way. plant, aort the power clean coal plant. i supported the proposal it went together with, which is a fire plant proposal that came together from the legislature. that was the deal that was brokered and my opponent was so extreme, so liberal, so much the nancy pelosi of kansas that he for a proven deal to get this forward. i supported the renewable portfolio, the tax credit federally. that is what has doubled wind energy in this state. i will stand second to nobody. support for wind has doubled in this state. it is a great resource we have.

my dad was raised on a farm using wind energy. we can do it moving forward and we will. >> that is a lot of good rhetoric. you said you would support a phaseout. 400 great jobs. i want more of them. commit to veto a repeal of the renewable portfolio standards? >> next question will come from michael. >> this one goes to governor brownback. in recent weeks you apply to the supreme court justice, who had less of -- less than a year of

experience. can you answer your critics, including your opponent. >> i will be happy to answer that question. >> it is most qualified person on the kansas supreme court today. he worked for one of the most respect -- respected jurors in the state of kansas. an elected prosecutor in jefferson county. he was general counsel for me. there was nobody that was even close to his qualifications. this is an incredible -- one of

the people on the panel called him a legal prodigy, saying this guy is an amazing qualified candidate. and he is. on the federal court of appeals or further in the future. he is an amazing qualified brilliant man. >> one had 24 years experience as a judge, the other had 23 years experience as a judge. i think it is pretty clear he did not choose experience here. is consistent with what he wants to do with the selection process. he wants to take away the transparency, to have more powers, more politics into our judicial selection process.

a process that has served this state very well and we need to keep that process. >> paul davis is a liberal. the u.s. supreme court just overturned a kansas decision 920 . i put a former prosecutor on the kansas supreme court. a 90 on the death penalty case. that is an important thing to have. >> next question will come from alex.

it will be directed initially to representative davis. >> a lot of news here that the pa system in this nation is broke. yeah --eel this is true this is true? ofi have a little bit special perspective because my wife is a psychologist and she spent her entire career helping homeless veterans. re are some serious problems in the system. she will give you an earful about it. lot of things that we can do, our kansas hospitals and health-care providers, to help veterans across the state. many are located in places where they do not have access to ava. v.a..a

they should get access to health care v.a., governor sponsored health care that they have entitled that they deserve and sacrificed four. i would like to work with the federal government to make that possible, to do something very good for veterans. >> we need to do a lot better for our veterans and i think they are being let down by the v.a.. unfortunately what you're seeing is a winning system where people have to queue up and you have to wait because there is not enough care available. they are making people do not. we need to take care of our veterans better. of this is also a cautionary tale. this is what you are going to get under obamacare. a you are going to get rationing system but the rationing is going to be out of waiting. they don't say you are going to

be denied any care. they say you have to wait to get care. that is the problem and that has been the problem with the v.a. system. they are making people queue up and wait. we should not to that to our veterans. it is certainly not what we should do to health care for all americans. unfortunately my opponent supports obama care and its expansion and implementation. isn't evenstration implementing obamacare because it doesn't even work. of >> i can understand why spent 16 years has been fixated on washington, d.c.. there has been only one candidate on the stage who has an open presidential campaign committee. i assure you it is not me. him if you want to make the selection -- if you want to make this election -- you may want to take a look at sure last

election for president. he is under indictment now for texas. [applause] >> before we get to our next question -- thanks to both of you for keeping this lively. are your running mates here? >> dr. jeff collier. and representative davis, jill docking. [applause] i might also add their families are here today. if you don't mind standing up, there we go. we have time for maybe two more questions here. go2net -- let's

go to nick. many people believe that people in high power have little regard for their region and the state. what is your plan to ease the minds of the people of western kansas -- >> i am going to do what i have been doing, the there are a lot. i have been in all 105 counties as governor. i have been in all 105 counties many times. i don't know if my opponent has been there at all. i love the rural parts of the state and i go there often and work on their issues. am i work on issues like water, schools, like our environment and education and on -- andnks to be able to on things to be able to grow the economy. you can't get much better or

further west than that. they do a fabulous job in understanding the heart and soul. my running mate grew up in america -- in hades, america and there is only one of those. we are going to bring in that attitude and rural opportunity zone has been a great opportunity for rural areas. these are zones that our administration started. >> we are a rural state. fair is a great celebration of rural kansas. , memberseat supporters

of the legislature that are supporting my candidacy for governor. we can offer all the incentives we want. of them are very important. of i have supported your rural opportunity zones. folks are not going to continue to live in rural kansas if we do not have great public schools. that is why we have to restore cuts to our public schools. your school finance plan would have been a disaster for rural kansas. this was a worst-case scenario for his school district. that is one of the reasons it did not go anywhere in the legislature. i will be a governor who will stand up for rural schools, no forced consolidation.

>> paul davis is the democrat leader in the house. are now no elected democrats in the state house west of 80 one hwy. -- of 80 one hwy. 81 highway. people are important. there are no to kansas communities interested in one another then western kansas. it is important to you have around you and how they associate and what they say. >> we have time for one more question and as moderator there will be no rebuttal time. we are going to limit your response to 45 seconds so you can get the closing statements in.

>> wichita voters will decide on a 1/10 sales tax which will go to create a jobs fund. do you support the use of taxpayer money for job creation? the citizens of wichita make that determination. will tell you this, the folks in wichita know their economy has been lagging. hardhave been trying very to do something about it. i want to work with them to help grow the economy in wichita. there are some of the highest unemployment in the state. we need a governor who will andner with communities grow our economy and that is what i will do. >> i agree with representative davis. i think it is a local decision for them. at the state-level we do use state money to be able to

recruit businesses. i'm glad we got him here. this also is creating a better tax environment in kansas. we are growing private sector jobs three times factor -- three times faster than the missouri side. that is a critical thing for growth. we can make kansas city a kansas city. we have a better environment on our side, a great education system, a better tax system. going tohat we are continue to do in my administration. >> we are going to closing statements. governor brownback will have his closing statement first. >> thank you for making this entertaining. i love coming to the kansas state fair.

is one of those great kansas get-togethers. i love seeing the people and the products of the land. the goodhearted people of kansas are fabulous. there are none better anywhere in the world. a i will stand up and fight for will do just and i that. we want to make the state the best place in america and grow a small business. we are a long ways along our path. are going to keep pushing that dream and keep pushing that model. we have had to take out a lot of problems of our past. we had a lot of things that haven't worked well and we are on the right track now in moving our state on ford. him -- on forward. it is about your kids and grandkids moving home not to texas.

we want them here so they don't have to fly somewhere. people are moving back to the state of kansas and seeing all of the things that are happening here. this is a fabulous place. is no place better to watch a sunset, to have a family , to live than kansas. thank you for being here. a god bless you all and god bless kansas. [applause] >> all right, now. in the interest of time we must in this closing statement in from paul davis. -- statement in from paul davis. damaging our schools,

hurting our economy, jeopardizing our future. choice in a clear this election. i have been a champion for our public schools. i have been a 15 year member of our chamber of commerce. that is why i am supported by 100 current republican officials. you believe our governor should not turn the state into an ideological laboratory i ask for your support. if you believe we don't need a red state or blue state model but what we need is a proven kansas model to grow our economy i ask for your support. we need a true champion for the governor's office for our public schools i ask for your support. if you believe we need a governor who will work with people from all political parties to solve the issue facing our state i ask for your support. if you believe we need a

governor who always put the people of kansas before his own personal political agenda i ask for your support. davis, i am a lifelong kansan, i am a moderate, i am an independent thinker, a commonsense leader, and together we can restore kansas and get our state back on the right track. thank you very much. [applause] >> you have been listening to a live debate, gubernatorial debates, the kansas debate. began as a small gathering in madison county in the late summer of 1972 has turned into an annual political event in iowa. senator harkin organize his first steak fry in 1972, when running for a house seat. he lost that race, won