need in the kansas city area. and so i think we need to take a to take a very distinct approach in order to create jobs and growth in the state. [applause] >> senator roberts? 32nd rebuttal. 30-second rebuttal. >> getting business done. really. getting business done in the united states senate. really. 300 bills have come from the house and our gathering dust in the senate. this is where good legislation goes to die. it is because of harry reid, who will not allow any amendment, republican or democrat. he does not want to put his democrats online. i am the only one on this stage that can make a republican majority, put harry reid out to

pasture, and get things done. [applause] >> the next question comes from nick, managing editor of the hays daily news. it will be addressed to mr. orman first. >> the winner of this election will likely play a significant role in the development of the next farm bill. tot do you see as necessary feed a growing and hungry world? >> first and foremost, the farmers i have talked to around this date -- the state say it is the crop insurance policy be they need to be able to plant their crops with certainty. we have significantly more uncertain weather patterns. i think that is vital to the inelopment of the economy kansas and the farmers in kansas. the other issue we face is water. thetor roberts referred to

50-year water plan. we also have to look at the farm bill and make sure we are not inadvertently encouraging or discouraging the planting of low-water-intensity crops. in kansaso farmers who said they would like to plant more, but the cost of insuring it is significantly more expensive than planting corn. milo consumes half as much water. we have to make sure that our federal farm program encourages water preservation so that we that resource for western kansas. [applause] >> senator roberts. >> i think my opponent for bringing up crop insurance. bob gary, a democrat from nebraska, pat roberts of kansas, forged the crop insurance program some time ago.

i a father of the crop insurance program. in this farm bill, it was tough because there were enemies of crop insurance. i protected it and saved it and we improved it. he says i voted against the farm bill. number one, it goes in the wrong direction. many of these farmers are not worried about low intensity water. beany rate, farmers will now planting for the government instead of making the decisions themselves. second, more regulations -- and goodness knows, we do not need any of that. lastly, food stamps. if there was ever a program that thes for reform, both for taxpayer and those who truly need it, it is food stamps. on the basis of that, i voted no on the farm till, but we protected and improved crop insurance. [applause] >> mr. orman?

>> senator roberts raised food stamps. there is no question that while it is harder than ever for the average american to get ahead, easy paradoxically equally to do nothing important with their lives. we have to look at the programs being abused and figure out a simple question. are they promoting upward mobility or are they promoting complacency and dependency? promoting complacency and dependency need to be changed. [applause] >> the next question comes from liz, kansas radio network in topeka. this question will be directed first towards senator roberts. >> military budget cuts have our troops,ng especially following the drawing down troops in iran and afghanistan. they have a mission to fight for our nation and respond to

disasters at home. what will you do to ensure national guard troops get the needed funding to train for both war and to mistake -- and requests? >> the first thing we do is exempt the military from this request. we are at lower levels than we have been since world war ii. obligation when we go to washington is to protect our individual freedoms. as a senior marine, i sure as heck know that. say that our military security, our national security strategy can be summed up with the president saying, "we don't have a strategy." we have to have a strategy. with isis, the latest terrorist group that intelligence services have told us will make an attack on america, we must main

vigilant. i will be supporting the military. always have. as a senior marine in the congress, that is where i am. we take that bill. >> i agree with senator roberts. sequester is a problem. let's remember what sequester is. it is the greatest example of washington's failure to get their act together. [applause] as part of a debt ceiling agreement, we were supposed to put together the supercommittee, supposedly, of the best legislators from both parties and they were supposed to come up with cuts to help get our budget back under control. provision thathe was never supposed to happen. as no greater example of our inability to get things done in washington, we have sequester. i agree, it is a real problem

when it comes to our military. i talked to general maddox and he gave me a very detailed briefing on what sequester is going to do to troop levels, readiness and preparedness. it is a huge problem that needs to be addressed. [applause] roberts, 30 seconds, rebuttal. >> it was thought up by jack lew and president obama, the man you supported and the man that you voted for. we would not have this kind of a problem with this administration making such bad cuts to the defense budget. with regards to the sequester, they exempted -- they, meaning the democrat majority -- they exempted all of these programs and targeted the military, thinking that republicans would never go along with it. well, republicans surprised them because we have $18 trillion of debt. so we wanted everyone under

sequester or not. note, as well, if you want to go back and listen to this debate, you can go to our website. wivwnews.com. if you did not dvr the k-state game, i am sorry. i cannot help you. >> the score is 31-21. >> the next question comes from michael and this will be directed towards mr. orman. >> senator roberts touched on this. havemerican journalists recently been executed by the group isis. do you agree with the president's actions thus far? what has been done right and what has been done wrong? how do you think the u.s. should deal with isis? huge issue.

we spent thousands of lives of americans, tens of thousands of people were injured, hundreds of billions of dollars trying to prevent muslim extremists from having a stronghold in a middle eastern country. the vacuum that we have left has allowed them to form. i think we need to do everything in our power to make sure that isis cannot stand. in terms of airstrikes, absolutely. in terms of providing military advice and counsel to the iraqis , i think that is absolutely necessary. and i think we are going to have to take further measures to address isis. one of the things that we need to consider here is that we don't have a properly-functioning iraqi government. ultimately, to solve the problem in that region, they need a properly-functioning iraqi government. that is probably, at the end of the day, the biggest single issue that we have to deal with if we are going to address the isis threat. [applause]

>> senator roberts? >> the president has known for over a year on his daily briefings that isis was growing as a threat. and yet we refuse to call the war against terrorism a war. -- osamaber the mantra is dead and the terrorist threat is over, etc. that is not correct and the president knew that. then he says we do not have a strategy. folks, we have got to have a strategy. we have got to have a president who will stand up to the american people and demonstrate exactly what the dangers are to our national security. that said, here is my strategy. come to the congress and seek authorization. i do not know if i am going to support that or not, depending on what his strategy is. we do not even know that yet. but i know one thing -- i have serious doubts that might --

that this president has the will or the ability to conduct any military operation. he has a view of america, of leading by following. leading by following has caused all of these voids and bad people have filled these voids. >> time. 30-second rebuttal. >> we can go back to the beginning of the iraq war and say that mistakes were made. mistakes were made on both sides of the aisle. i think mission accomplished was a mistake. it was clear that we had not solved our problems at that point in time. i do not disagree with the senator that, as a senator, when the president comes to you with a plan, you have to consider it. i am happy to hear senator roberts said he would consider it has previously, he said he would fight president obama at

every turn and i think that is a much more reasonable position to take. [applause] question comes from the managing editor of the hays daily news. it will be directed towards senator roberts. >> where do you stand on the issue of legalization of marijuana in the u.s.? >> that is not a federal issue. that is a state issue. a rocky mount get high, go west. that should be for the kansas legislature and the government to decide, not federally. >> we have had a federal policy in this country since the nixon administration. bet does not seem to working. we have spent over $1 trillion on it. with that said, as the senator has mentioned, we do have states

that have started to work with different policies as it relates to legalization. i think it would be prudent for us to take a step back, watch what happens in those states before we determine how we want to change federal policy. [applause] like ator, would you rebuttal on that? >> i don't care. >> the next question comes from kansas radio networks into peak appeared this will be directed first towards mr. orm an. >> the patriot act was hammered out in short measure following 9/11 and is believed by many to be an overreach by the federal government which unduly infringes on the rights of law-abiding citizens. isyou feel the patriot act appropriate as is or does it need modification? please elaborate why you feel as you do. >> obviously, we passed the

patriot act at a time when our country was under attack i terrorists. and we passed it with great intention and ultimately with the belief that this is what we needed to do to protect our citizens. i think it is a very fine line that we walk between protecting our citizens and infringing upon their legitimate rights of privacy. what i will say is this is going to be an ongoing debate in our country. it is not going to be resolved in one election cycle. the patriot act will likely evolve, but it will have to evolve as threats evolve. right now, given what is going on with isis and the fact that we have named them as a terrorist organization, we have to make sure we have the ability to protect the homeland, particularly if they are able to gain a foothold in the middle east. [applause] >> senator roberts?

>> he is right. keep the patriot act because of the terrorist threats that are growing. this is a delicate balance between civil liberties and our safety in america. he mentioned the irs scandal. among the finance committee, we have been investigating the irs scandal. all of a sudden, lois lerner lost her hard drive and then there were six others. we refused to sign the democrat report that said, well, we have done enough. get the communications to the white house. i want to tell you, there is a ,ember of the finance committee i said no, i am not signing that final report. i said i will go to the floor of the senate and talk about it. side, we saidcan we are not going to sign that report until we get to the truth. the first vote that i will have when i go back to washington is an attack by harry reid, of all

things, to change the first amendment. to change the first amendment. and i have five minutes to talk against harry reid. ins is the man he supported regards to the obama administration. he is not independent. he is a democrat. >> 32nd rebuttal. >> i think we do not live in the information age so much as we live in the misinformation age. and i think what senator roberts point to very small facts and distort my records. the facts are, i supported both parties. i have been a member of the republican party. i have been a member of the democratic party. i have supported candidates of both parties. candidly, i have been disappointed with both.

[applause] >> the next question comes from michael. it will be directed first towards senator roberts. our viewers often voiced frustration with campaign finance laws, the amount of money involved in these races, and the ability of outside interest groups to fund certain candidates for issues. what is your opinion on candidates receiving money from those outside groups? >> since i have not received any -- i think the biggest issue of all is transparency. if people know where the money is coming from, that is the biggest issue we can make. under the united states supreme

court ruling, they have ruled everybody has the right. that is the reason why harry reid is going to try to amend the constitution. he is worried -- he is. you can holler all you want but he has that amendment. congress will determine how much money we can all give and congress will determine what is reasonable. that is ridiculous. the congress cannot do a thing with harry reid at the helm. >> mr. orman. >> i have heard you say the read -- the words harry reid and obama a lot, but i have not heard from you -- >> he is your body, man. he is your buddy. x what i have not heard from you is how to solve problems. [applause]

what i have not heard from you is what you are going to do to get things done. is what the voters of kansas need to hear from you. in terms of special interests, i have vowed that i am not taking money from pac's because i want to go to washington and represent the citizens of kansas. i do not want to go to washington and have to worry about what the pharmaceutical industry thinks about what i might be doing. i want -- i do not want to have to go and worry about what the oil and gas industry thinks about what i am doing. i want to go and worry about what is in the best interest of kansas and i want to solve problems for all americans. [applause] >> senator roberts, 30 seconds rebuttal. 40 bills, 40 have pieces of legislation covering every part of the kansas economy that is being over-regulated by

this administration. the administration that my opponent is responsible for. 40. 40 pending bills. i cannot get them addressed. no republican can offer an amendment in the senate of the united states. we have not had a budget in the senate for five years. we do not do any appropriations bills. that is harry reid. he is a one-man rules committee and it is a fact that you have given to harry reid, hillary obama -- whyident should anybody believe that you are independent? >> the next question comes from , managing editor of the hays daily news. this question will be first directed towards mr. orman. >> what is your stance on gun control in the u.s.? is there too little, too much,

or just write right now? >> i am a gun owner. i believe in the second the righti believe in of people to bear arms. when i got my gun, i had to go through a background check. it was a relatively quick process. it took five minutes and i was able to buy my guns without delay. i do not think that having a loophole that allows people who could not get guns at a legitimate gun dealer to get them otherwise as sound policy. [applause] so i would be open to addressing the gun show loophole. getsu think about who prevented from buying guns, they are people we do not want having guns. that does not mean they are not going to be able to figure out how to get them through the black market or somewhere else, i just don't think it makes sense to make it easy for a under ad felon, someone restraining order for domestic abuse, to be able to walk into a

gun show and easily get a gun. [applause] >> senator roberts. >> well, there you have it. there you have it. amendment,he second but -- federal controls and requirements. i am for the second amendment. of thepoint out, many things that my opponent has talked about our in washington, d.c. washington has the strictest gun-control in america and one of the highest crime rates resulting from guns in america. rightsmess with people's to bear arms with any restrictions.

that is what president obama does each and every time we talk about a crisis. that is what is going to come from the obama administration. that is the man he supported. that is the man he gave money to. >> mr. orman, 30 seconds rebuttal. >> shocking that we did not hear the name harry reid in that. [applause] it might be -- >> i just missed the opportunity. i am sorry. >> it could be because harry reid sided with you and voted against expanding background checks. i guess we only talk about it when he does not vote with you. ultimately, there has to be reasonable restrictions. with not want people automatic weapons. those are things that everybody agrees are reasonable. i think that making sure convicted felons do not have

guns is probably a good thing. [applause] >> the next question comes from .iz it will be directed towards senator roberts. >> social security is the biggest program run by the federal government. it is a program affecting someone in virtually every family in america. the financial stability of the program continues to be in question with its trust fund exhausted in 2030 six. what action would you push for to protect social security for today's seniors and strengthen it for future generations? >> i am not going to take away your social security, do not worry about it. anyone over 55 does not have to worry about any reform made you do not have to worry about doing security inh social

the part of this session. harry reid will block that real quick. it is not only social security that is broke. the united states is broke. debt andion worth of at some, at some point, place, we are going to have to address all of the entitlement programs, social security, medicare, and medicaid. i will tell you one thing -- with obamacare taking money away from medicare, that is a mistake. the medicare reimbursement to our health care providers has caused a crisis to the health care delivery system. we have to save medicare. we must honor the commitments of social security and we have to fix medicaid. i know that. but it is not going to happen now. it will happen when we change the congress to a new republican majority and we can make a difference.

>> mr. orman. >> just so we are clear, i agree that both chambers of congress overly-partisan ways. i agree that harry reid is stopping progress on lots of things, but so are the republicans in the house. with the question of social security -- and i like the fact that senator roberts was talking about our $18 trillion debt -- but let's not forget, in the last decade, senator roberts voted for almost every spending bill. in presidential election 2000 was the only election in my lifetime where we were talking about what to do with surpluses. roberts and harry reid -- [laughter] spending, wegh spend trillions of dollars in the first half of that decade taking surpluses and turning them into deficits. -- thatdea that your

you are fiscally conservative is not necessarily demonstrated by the evidence. [applause] >> senator roberts? 30 seconds rebuttal. >> my opponent seems to have forgotten the $.5 trillion cuts that i have proposed since obama came into power. that is a fact. you know parties are not perfect. everybody knows that. but there are some things you cannot compromise on. you just cannot waffle. you cannot compromise terrorism. you cannot compromise on your kids. you cannot compromise on the future and the fact that you have to get this senate turned around. i just want to know when you are going to take a stand and tell towhich party you are going congress for pete are you going to be a republican one day and a

democrat the next? where are you going to be? >> we hate to end on that no, but we do need to get to the closing statement. restraints one what we are allowed to do. we have to get to the opening statement. mr. orman, you have the first closing statement. a thanks to the panel for terrific debate and thanks to senator roberts for being here and for everyone who took the time to be here or listen at home. a special thanks to my wife and my family for all of their love and support. we are all kansans. we believe in the value of hard work, account ability and working together to get things done. it is time to elect a senator that shares those values. we are a country that put a man on the moon, that figured out how to harness the power of the atom, that figured out how to

take computers that used to fill a room and put them on the head of a pin. i believe that that country and those people, when they worked together, can solve any problem. i am running as an independent to reject the false choices that the two-party system has presented us with. i believe that we can have affordable and high-quality health care. i believe that we can have secure borders and a humane immigration policy. i believe that we can balance our budget and meet our commitment to our seniors and i believe we can have a new , but we won'try get there if we keep electing partisans instead of problem solvers. i look forward to going to realngton to start conversation on how we solve our problems. i am asking for your vote in november to finally get washington back in the business of solving problems for all americans, regardless of party

labels. regardless of party label, we are all americans and we will rise and fall together. >> ladies and gentlemen, we are going to run out of time. senator roberts, your closing statement please. >> elections determine the future of our country. kansas needs someone in washington with conviction and a backbone. i do nothing my opponent has either. he is republican. then he says he is a democrat. just this year, he becomes an independent. wills and gentlemen, what greg orman be next year? do you really want to risk our children and our grandchildren's future to that? kansans know me. of fighting record for kansas. that fight must continue. i have voted against obamacare every time and i will continue that fight. [applause] we must stop president obama

from implementing amnesty by executive order. this is a humanitarian crisis. we must secure our border. i will continue that fight. my record is clear. opposing nearly $.5 trillion of spending cuts since obama came to power. i will continue that fight. i will continue to protect our state's role in national security. again, i am the proud father of real jobs and real growth. my vision is our vision. i will fight to restore the freedom of kansas families to choose their own health care, their own doctors. i will fight to pass the keystone pipeline to help lead us into energy independence. that means real jobs for kansas. most of all, i will fight every waking minute to restore our faith in government, restore individual freedoms.

i am the only one on this stage that can be trusted to change the senate. i ask for your vote. >> ladies and gentlemen, that concludes our broadcast. thank you for joining us here, live from the kansas state fair. >> on the next "washington journal," a discussion on the president's strategy to combat isis. the impactook at public policy issues have on higher education. our guest is ray cross. is liveton journal" every morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern. you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. >> tuesday, the senate armed services committee examines president obama's plan to combat isis.

chuck hagel and martin dempsey will testify starting at 9:30 a.m. eastern. you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. >> here are a few of the comments we recently received from our viewers. >> i really did not expect to spend the day watching tv, but i caught the end of the key west program and started checking what was coming and i could not turn it off. it was really terrific. i hope it is ok that i recorded it. there is so much information. i like the opportunity to see parts of it again. i do not have a computer. at any rate, it was a wonderful program. thank you for it. >> i watched c-span's coverage last night of the irs hearings.

it was a little editorial piece and i was stunned by the moments that were picked out over all the hours of interviews and committee meetings and hearings. i was stunned to see that all the moments that were picked democrats were attacking republicans, accusing them of which hunting and hatred and bigotry and stupidity and un-american, unpatriotic whatever. that was three hours of c and propping up the democrats and protecting barack obama. bias.ys knew you had a i have been following c-span for a couple of years. i always knew there was a little bias. you would have to be stupid not to see it. last night was absolutely stunning. debacley, through that c-spann to last night,

supports the democrats, the irs, the unions, and barack obama. no question about it. shame on you. >> i just want to say the programming, especially on the iskends with c-span 2 and 3, everything somebody with some brains could hope for. thank you so much. encourage you to watch c-span in the morning. thank you. you are doing a hell of a job. i hope you continue for years to come. >> continue to let us know how you think about the programs that you are watching. us, e-mail us, or you can send us a tweet. >> next, the debate between the candidates for governor in kansas. sam brownback and paul davis

took to the stage for their first debate at the kansas state fair in hutchinson. tossup. is listed as a recent polling has mr. davis with the lead. we will start with some of the political ads running in the state. >> i was raised on a farm in eastern kansas. my dad and mom still operate it. i go out and help every once in a while. my dad does not let me plant or run the combine. i am not old enough. what the character and the values that they gave me, just amazing. we have people moving back to rural kansas. that is just music to my ears. these families are coming in. >> sam brownback, kansas. >> in 2011, kansas welfare has been cut in half because more people than ever in history are working in kansas.

>> the way out of poverty is not just to get a pittance from the government. the way out of poverty is what you taught us, education, work, family structure. jobs, that is the way out of poverty. the sun is shining in kansas and do not let anyone tell you any different. >> just like this, arkansas tradition of strong public schools began. i am paul davis. my parents were teachers. i know kansas can do better than 's largestrownback cuts in school history. education means economic opportunity and i will not allow strong kansas schools to become a thing of the past. davis and i like proving solutions.

so i hired jerry to demonstrate how governor brownback has been taking our state. growth, three credit rating downgrades in one year. now he says he is going to hit the accelerator on his agenda. i am paul davis. kansas can do better. jerry, do not hit the accelerator. >> i will be the moderator for the first debate, which will focus on the kansas governor's race. before i introduce the introduce, i want to the people who are going to be asking questions here today. our media panel, and they are down front, includes nick schwinn, managing editor of the hays daily news, mike schwenk he, reporter high for -- reporter-anchor, and alex

zygmunt. todd.mekeeper is in keeping with the statewide election, we have statewide reporters here today. our candidates will each have 90 seconds for an opening statement and 90 seconds for a closing statement. they will each have one minute to respond to questions. the candidate who answers first will also have 30 seconds a rebuttal time. this is important, please be courteous in responding to each of the candidates and please refrain from responding until they have completed their statements. there moderator does have the authority to add time to a candidate if i feel that his

response has been interrupted by audience members. governor sam brownback has served four years -- this part of it is not timed. he served as the 46th governor of kansas. he served as secretary of agriculture, served as one term representing kansas in the u.s. house of representatives, and two full terms in the u.s. senate. his running mate is jeff collier. governor sam brownback. his democratic challenger in this election -- [applause] is state representative paul

davis. representative davis has spent the last 11 years in the kansas house of representatives, since 2008. he has served as minority leader in the house. his running mate is jill docking. governor brownback will have the first opening statement. >> the second. >> my apologies. representative davis will have the first. >> welcome to the state fair. i am paul davis, an independent thinker. i am also the son of two teachers and the parent of a soon-to-be kindergarten or. that is why public education is personal to me. that is why i have been a 12 year champion for public schools. that is why i will make

restoring those cuts my top priority as governor. that is why i am supported by over 100 current and former republican elected officials. the governor's experiment just isn't working. we are trailing our surrounding states in the rest of the country and virtually every economic growth indicator is it has plunged our state deep into debt. jeopardizing our schools and future. a we can do better. we have a clear choice about whether we are going to restore the cuts to our public schools and get the state moving again or hit the accelerator on a failed economic experiment. the governor is going to try to convince you i am somebody

different than who i am. he is going to convince you his record is something different than what it is. the reality is i am a moderate commonsense leader who values our public schools and will make them my very top priority as governor. >> good morning, kansas. good morning kansas state fair. good to have you here. i have been coming to these for over 40 years and i love the great kansas get together. everything you have heard from representative davis is wrong, i am sorry to say. there are more kansans working now than ever in the history of the state. we put more money into education than ever in the history of the state. number three is a big one, i support our rural schools.

my opponent, unfortunately, does not share my support for rural schools. his top education advisor said this, consolidation is inevitable. the sooner they realize that the better off they will be. i say no forest consolidation of rural schools. no forced consolidation of rural schools. thank you for being here at the kansas state fair. this is a great get together and we will have a lively debate. >> i want to remind our audience

again as we get into this debate please be courteous. it i will add time if i feel you are interrupting the candidates. after he has answered you can do whatever you want to within reason. on to our questions, the first question will come from alex. >> let's talk education funding. in 2008, 2009, kansas spent $140 pupil.0 per according to the legislative research department. do you feel like we are spending enough money per student and what would you do to ensure our interest to set up? >> governor brownback will answer first. >> thank you for the question.

we have put a record amount of money into education and we are going to continue to spend and spend aggressively for education in the state of kansas. we put 52% of our budget and it. those are numbers. i want to talk people. my daughter is a fifth-grade teacher and she loves teaching. it is the teachers that do so much for us in making our state a great place. my oldest son is going into education. i started out in education. we are putting record amounts of money in education. we do that because we love education. we see education as a transformative thing. i was elected state president. that is what i am going to do. we value the system that produces such great people. >> governor brownback is going

to try hard to rewrite his record on education but he simply has never made education a priority. he voted against head start repeatedly. he voted against afterschool programs, voted against new teachers. then he implemented the largest single cut to public school funding in state history and called it a victory. he has cut early childhood education. we need a governor who is going to make the cuts governor brownback maître schools the very top priority and that is what i will do as governor. >> 30 seconds of rebuttal time. >> i wish paul davis would have

voted for some of the money we put into education. mark parkinson said this. when he was looking for reelection in 2010 and said i'm not going to be governor again because i am the architect of the largest budget cut in the history of the state of kansas and paul davis voted for that. he talks a good game and then he votes the other way. >> next question. from nick, managing editor of the daily news. it will go to representative davis first. >> it is estimated we have 380,000 residents without coverage.

hospitals continue to treat these individuals but local communities eventually pay the price. wouldentative davis, what you do with this component of the affordable care act? governor brownback, do you have any future plans? >> i will tell you what i will do, i have spent a lot of time listening to hospital administrators, listening to a nursing home administrators, listening to people who own home health agencies, and listening to those over 150 thousand kansans that can get coverage from this. our rural hospitals desperately need this. i have had too many conversations with rural hospital administrators who say they may have to close their doors if this does not happen. we can inject $3 billion into our state economy. we can create lots of jobs. i am not going to play politics with this. i am going to follow what other republican governors are going to do.

chris christie in new jersey. jan brewer in arizona. that's what we should do. >> let me be put clear, were -- what representative davis wants is to implement obamacare. he was for an early innovator grant in the state of kansas. obamacare will cost us $1 billion to implement. people ahead of the list created by the former administration and medicare. by the way, on the rural hospitals, obamacare took money from medicare, which puts it into medicaid, which doesn't go as much. and he supports obamacare. that is taking money directly from our rural hospitals. he should not have supported

obamacare in the first place. that is not the place to do it. we have expanded medicaid. we have added 80,000 people to medicaid since i have been governor and we have taken people off the waiting list because of dr. colliers' work. we have expanded and have a better medicaid system than obamacare. >> representative davis, 30-second rebuttal time. >> i don't think you are listening to our hospitals. this is an issue of survival for them. on top of your program, which has been a disaster for them, they have claim after claim after claim denied. they are not getting paid. it is limited care or no care in some circumstances. i am going to follow those republican governors, your friends, who say they are going to do the right thing with this.

chris christie, jan brewer, john kasich, they have put the people of their state before politics and that is exact the what i am going to do. [applause] >> i am reminded again we are in the young injury lawyers arena. let's hope we do not have any injured lawyers before this is over today. a gorgeous day here. our next question will come from michael, kwch tv in wichita. and it will go to governor brownback first. >> thank you for having me. i want to know who is taking credit for the weather today. >> i have been praying a lot.

>> here is my question. a budget shortfall by july of 2000 -- 2016. there'll be a $238 million shortfall. how do you address that if you cut -- if not will you raise taxes? >> thanks for the question. when i came into office the prior administration that paul davis had voted for and helped with left us $876 and a projected deficit of $1.5 billion over the next 16 to 18 months. we ended this fiscal year with $434 million cash on hand. we are growing and hitting our budget numbers.

we are going to put those budgets together and be in great shape. my opponent has said the sky is falling. the sky fell when he ran the place. our budget is in a catastrophe. was in as system bankruptcy zone and now it isn't. we are going to continue to perform and perform well in having a good solid budget and investing in k-12 education record amounts of money likely -- like we have been. >> governor brownback is sticking his head in the sand on this issue. your $876 number has been disproved over and over again. you need to stop saying that. there were over $230 million in the bank when you took office. we are in a situation of debt.

down the road because of the governor's economic experiment. $1.3 billion over the next five years. the qualityardizing of education for an entire generation of kansas kids, including my daughter. i am not going to stand for it. we have to do something about it. >> paul davis has proposed to do something about it. it is to raise income taxes. on the lowest-income people in a state of kansas. he is proposing to raise 17% income tax on people making $15,000. why do people making $15,000 even pay income taxes in the first place? we should allow them to earn money they can keep and they can use in their own life.

here is a fundamental difference. he thinks the government spends your money better than you do. i think you spend your money better than the government. >> our next question comes from alex with the radio news staff. >> throughout the downturn in the economy, agriculture is able to withstand a lot of economic woes. we have had announcements at the deer plant in cotton bill and other workers are going to be laid off is this early signs of struggle for the industry in the state? >> this will go to representative davis first. >> we certainly hope not. our agricultural economy is vital to our state. some very key

things if we are going to be able to help agriculture grow. we have to deal with this water problem we have. i will give the governor a little bit of credit. he has heightened the discussion about this. the problem is we have not made it a priority. everyone knows we are going to have to devote some resources to this. the governor has defunded our water plan every year he has been in office. we cannot address this issue and the other critical issues we have not only for kansas agriculture but for the whole state when our state is in $1.3 billion of debt. that is where the governor's economic spirit has taken us. -- economic experiment has taken us. >> i have some concerns for the agriculture industry and a lot of it comes from the obama administration, which my opponent supports. the obama administration wants

to regulate water in every ditch in the state of kansas. they want to rule the ditch, i say ditch the rule. he is for this. i am against this. the obama administration wants to regulate chickens in the state of kansas. so that one third of the state, you cannot farm. they want to regulate all of the range. i want you to be able to have a home and a business on the range. it is opposed to rural america and fighting our way of life and opportunities. fastest growing america. kansas dairy industry, fastest-growing in america. kansas wind production has doubled since i have been in office. agriculture will continue to grow under a second brownback administration. i know agriculture. it is going to do well in the brownback administration.

>> you mentioned the wind industry, your support from the wind industry, which seems to be changing here lately. we are going to help rural kansas and have to have a renewable portfolio standard that is going to show the wind industry we are open for business. a few weeks ago you said you supported it and now you did not. what is your position? are you going to support it? >> i am going to support a lot more than you do. you voted against it because it was associated with the power plant. >> will you veto a bill -- this is a critical issue for our state. i will repeal -- i will stand up to the wind industry in our state. we need it for our economy.

>> we need to get on with our questions. i am certainly glad i wore my control briefs this morning. nobody said this was going to be a dull debate. ok? our next question will go to governor brownback first. >> touching on the water issue, even as a plan is being put together there is no force to push irrigators to cut down their usage.

voluntary efforts would be great but they fly in the face of economics. would either of you advocate doing what is truly necessary and mandate dramatic reductions? >> thank you for your question. without water we have no future. that is why put so much time and effort into the issues of water in the state. that is why i repealed the use it or lose it water doctrine. we implemented a strategy that i think is the right way forward. it may be in the weeds for you but what it is a group of agriculture farmers, users, city people, that are using water and binding themselves together. to reduce the amount of water they use. have the first one in northwest kansas. they bound themselves together over a five-year period to reduce the amount of water used by six inches. that will amount to a period of time that will expand the aquifer. this is what i have been working on since i was in law school.

while i was agriculture secretary. we have a 50-year water fishing being developed. i have credibility of moving this topic forward. we have to address our reservoirs. we will have water supplies in eastern kansas as well. this is the most critical long-term issue that our state has. this is most critical long-term issue that our state has. it is a complex issue. there are a lot of people who have very different opinions on this, but i will tell you that everybody who is a stakeholder in this debate will agree on one thing, it is going to take some resources to address this issue and we have to address this issue because it is vital to our state's economy. the governor attacked me for not having credibility. credibility means you would fund the current water plan we have ut he has defunded it every

year he has been in office to subsidize his economic experiment that is failing our state, led to three grading downgrades. it means more school cuts down road the road. [applause] >> i don't know where you learned your math but it must be one of those new things so many people do not agree with because your math is all wrong. all wrong! our unemployment rate is 4.9%. we have a record number of kansans working. we have the fastest-growing economy in the region. more new businesses created in the history of the state. i don't know where he gets his math. by the way on water issues, who do you think he would appoint? somebody that shut down holcombe

before? somebody that didn't agree with you? >> all right. next question. comes from michael in wichita. >> schwanke. did you say snoozey? am i that boring? this one goes to mr. davis. correct? i have a couple of directed questions. you criticize your opponent on education funding issues. you said funding for public schools will be cut if he is elected again. my question to you, what is your special plan for education and how will you pay for it? are you willing to raise taxes for education? >> he has been talking about

math problems. i haven't made any billion dollar mistakes. we cannot grow as a state if we're going to be encumbered by debt that is going to lead to more school cuts. governor brownback has shown us before he will cut schools. he will have to do it again. what we have got to do is end this experiment that isn't working. i proposed a plan to do exactly that. freeze tax rates where they are on january 1. let's get our fiscal house in order and let's make restoring our schools the very top riority. >> governor? >> i will continue to support kansas. i will continue to put funds in

it and more funds in it. let's go through this cut. of the cut was the obama stimulus money that paul davis agreed putting in the budget in 2010. i came into office. they left me a $500 million projected hole. wu put $100 more in education that first year. these are budgets and situations train he left a fiscal wreck in the state of kansas and he is a democratic leader. he is the ancy pelosi of kansas. >> all right. 30 seconds. >> governor, you can blame everybody you want. the fact remains you made the single largest cut to school funding. all you have to do is talk to these teachers out here.

i talked to teachers the other day and there are over 30 kids in her classroom because of the cuts you made to public schools. we need a governor who is a 12-year champion of public schools and that's what i will be and what i have been as governor. >> for the benefit of our radio audience -- it is and this is airing live. and i know it is going to be streemed on our website and running on many radio stations throughout our state. i want to tell our audience there is no seating room left in this arena. we have many people on the sides. i have been to this fair for many years and i've never seen this many people in here. [applause] all right. our next question will come

from alex dingman and it will go to governor brownback first. >> with fewer jobs offering pensions, some systems facing underfunding and more than 7 million workers without access to their retirement "connecticut at. what will you do to help kansas save so they can have a secure financial future? >> one of the things they have already done is fix the capers mess that i inherited. the capers system was in the bankruptcy zone. there are about a quarter million kansasians on capers. it was in the bankruptcy zone with about a $10 billion unfunded obligation. it was second to least funded in america. we put more funds in it. we put more funds in capers, changed the system for next year.

people have a cash balance system. on a number of different rating agencies we are rated middle of the pack. we're out of the bankruptcy zone on capers. it is an amazing accomplishment that we were able to do on a bipartisan basis and move that system forward so that we can save. it is a critical one and it has been a fabulous accomplishment moving that system on forward to solvency. >> i am very proud to have jill docking who has devoted 30 years as a financial advisor and she has been a strong advocate on this issue for many, many years and you can bet that she will be involved in it in our administration. what we can do to help people save is get our economy above the national average, not below the national average. look at where we are at now. the governor's own council of economic advisors several months

ago documented we are trailing the states in our region in virtually every economic indicator there is. a our credit rating has been downgraded three times. we're 45 nth the nation in new business creation. in 2013 more businesses closed up shop than opened shot. it is because we have an economic experiment that isn't working. let's return to a proven kansas model of growing our economy. that is how we are going to help kansas. >> when he talks about a kansas model, he is talking about raising your taxes. that is what he is talking about. and the initial tax increase goes on people making $15,000 a year. again, i don't know why they are paying income taxes in the first place. why would you be taxing someone that is making that much income?

she is expanding her business. we have had record numbers of new business filings. i don't know if you can't find that office or what but that is what's happening in the state of ansas. >> the next question i believe -- >> rebuttal time? >> next question will come from next question will come from ick schwien. >> what are your thoughts and your stance on the proposed power plant being located in kansas? >> this will go to representative davis first. >> you know, when this issue

came for the legislature a number of years ago i represented my district on this issue. my district had strong feelings about it and i didn't support the plan. the fact of the matter is the permit has been issued and it is out of the hands of elected officials at this time. there is nothing governor brownback or i can do more. but what we do need to do is continue to grow the energy sector of our economy. the way we can do that is support the wind industry and show the wind industry that we are open for business. if we're going to that, we have got to have a governor that will stand up for our renewable portfolio standards. governor brownback said he would phase out and then he said i didn't really mean that and then he said i will phase it out. we need certainty. they need a governor who is going to stand behind them

because this is critical to the future of our economy. >> all right, governor. those were your people. i like the guy with the bongos y the way. >> i support the power plant, a clean coal plant. i supported the proposal it went together with, which is a fire plant proposal that came together in front of the legislature. that was the deal that was brokered and my opponent was so extreme, so liberal, so much the nancy pelosi of kansas that he vote against a proven deal to get this forward. i supported the renewable portfolio, the tax credit federally. i supported those.

that is what has doubled wind energy in this state. i will stand second to nobody. on support for wind, it had doubled in this state while i have been governor. it is a great resource we have. my dad was raised on a farm using wind energy. we can do it. we can do it moving forward and we will. >> that is a lot of good rhetoric on wind. but the other day, you said you would support a phase out. that is going to hurt the economy of kansas. 400 great jobs. i want more of them. will you commit to veto a repeal of the renewable portfolio standards? >> next question will come from michael schwanke of wichita. did i get it right, michael? >> you got it right.

this one goes to governor brownback. n recent weeks you appointed a kansas city supreme court justice who had less than a year of experience on the bench. can you answer your critics, including your opponent. >> i will be happy to answer that question. they see most qualified, talented person on the kansas supreme court today. if you'll let me say what he is, he graduated third this his class at k.u. he worked for a circuit court judge. he worked for one of the most respected jurors in the state of kansas. he was an elected prosecutor in jefferson county. he has had a great private practice. he was general counsel for me.

there was nobody that was even close to his qualifications. this is an incredible -- one of the people on the panel called him a legal prodigy, saying this guy is an amazing qualified candidate. and he is. he could end up on the federal court of appeals or further in the future. he is an amazing qualified brilliant man. >> the governor had a choice between three people. one had 24 years experience as a judge, the other had 23 years experience as a judge. a woman. and he had less than one year. i think it is pretty clear he did not choose experience here. that is consistent with what he wants to do with the selection process. he wants to take away the

transparency. he wants the governor to have more power so we can inject more politics into our judicial selection process. we have a process that has served this state very well and e need to keep that process. [applause] >> paul davis is a liberal. he would appoint a liberal on the supreme court. and there is another thing. the u.s. supreme court just overturned a kansas decision 9- 0 on a death penalty. i put a former prosecutor on the kansas supreme court. he's not going to vote for an opinion that gets overturned 9-0 on a death penalty case. that is an important thing to

have. somebody are some breadth of experience. -- with some breadth of experience. >> next question will come from alex dingman and it will be directed initially to representative davis. >> a lot of news this year that the p.a. systems in this nation are broken. do you feel this is true true? are they getting the treatment that they require and deserve? >> i have a little bit of special perspective because my wife is a psychologist and she spent her entire career helping homeless veterans. there are some serious problems in the v.a. system. you don't want to get her started on it because boy, will she give you an earful about it. there are a lot of things that we can do, our kansas hospitals and health-care providers, to help

veterans across the state. many are located in places where they don't have access to v.a. they should get access to health care v.a., governor sponsored health care that they have entitled that they deserve and sacrificed for and i8d like to work with the federal government to make that possible to do something very good for eterans. >> we need to do a lot better for our veterans and i think they are being let down by the v.a. i have said that then and i say it now. unfortunately what you're seeing is a waiting system where people have to queue up and you have to wait because there is not enough care available. they are making wait. we need to take care of our

veterans better. of this is also a cautionary tale. this is what you are going to get under obamacare. or you are going to get a rationing system but the rationing is going to be out of waiting. they don't say you are going to be denied any care. they say you have to wait to get care. that side the problem with the v.a. system. they are making people que up and wait. that is not something we should do to our veterans. it is century not what we should do for health care for all americans. unfortunately my opponent supports obama care and its expansion and implementation. this administration isn't even implementing obamacare because it doesn't work. >> you know, i can understand why someone who has spent 16 years has been fixated on washington, d.c.. there has been only one candidate on the stage who has an open presidential campaign committee. i can assure you that it is not me. governor, if you want to make

this selection about who it is that i supported for president, you might take a look at your last selection for president. he is under indictment now in texas. [applause] >> before we get to our next question -- and by the way, thanks to both of you for keeping it live accomplishment >> you're welcome. >> before get to our next question, are your runningmates here? >> yes. >> governor brownback? > dr. jeff collier. >> representative davis? >> jill docking. >> i might also add their families are here today. if you don't mind, just standing

up. there we go. we have time for maybe two more questions here. et's go to nick schwien. >> thank you. many people believe that people in high power have little regard for their region and the state. what are your plans to ease the minds of the people of western kansas? >> i am going to do what i have been doing. that's be there a lot. i've been in all 105 counties as governor. i've been in all 105 counties many times. i don't know if my opponent has been in 105 counties at all. i go there often and work on their issues like water and preserving our schools and issues like environment and

education and on being able to grow the economy and i'm going to involve a number of them in our administration. he head of kdhe in kansas. you can't get much better than that or further west than that. pat does a fabulous job and understands the heart and soul. my runningmate grew up in hayes, america. there is only one of those. we're going to involve people in our administration from all parts of our state and from the rural parts of the state to bring in that attitude and our rural opportunity zones has been a great opportunity. zero income taxes if you move into one of those counties and helping with $15,000 on student loans through our rural opportunity zones that our dministration started. >> we are a rural state and this

fair is a great celebration of rural kansas. when i spent time in rural kansas, i have some great supporters, members of the legislature that are supporting my candidacy for governor. we can offer all the incentives we want. some of them are very, very important. i supported your rural opportunity zones, but folks are not going to continue to live in rural kansas if we do not have great public schools. and that is why we have got to estore cuts to our public schools. earlier you mentioned consolidation. your school finance plan would have been a disaster for rural kansas. the superintendent of schools said this was a worst case scenario for his school district. that is one of the reasons he didn't go anywhere in the legislature. i will be a governor who will

stand up for rural schools. no forced consolidation. [applause] >> paul davis is the democrat leader in the house. there are now no elected democrats in the state house est of 81 highway. people are important. tyler worked for paul davis. a long time person to work for him. he wrote this. there are no two counties less interested in one another then western kansas. it is important to you have around you and how they associate and what they say. >> we have time for one more question and as moderator there will be no rebuttal time.

we are going to limit your response to 45 seconds so we can get the closing statements in. the next question comes from michael schwanke. >> wichita voters in decide in november on the one cent sales tax. part of it will go to support a jobs fund. do you support the use of taxpayer money for job creation? citizensing to let the wichita to make that determination. i will tell you this. the folks in wichita know their economy has been lagging and they are trying very to do something about it. i'm going to work with them to help grow the economy in wichita. it has some of the highest unemployment in the state there. we need a governor who is going to roll up their sleeves and be a partner with communities and use proven solutions to grow their economy. that's what i'll do.

>> i agree with representative davis. i think that is a local decision for them. at the state level, we do use state money to recruit businesses in. that's how we got mars in the state oover kansas. it is a sweet deal. glad we got them here. also by creating a better tax environment we're growing jobs three times faster on the kansas side of kansas city than on the missouri side. we can make kansas city a kansas city. if we have a better environment on our side. a great education system. a better tax system. good highways and that's what we're going to continue to do in my administration. we are going to closing statements. governor brownback will have his

closing statement first. >> thank you. thank you for making this entertaining. the kansas to state fair. it is one of those great kansas get togethers. i love seeing the people and the products of the land. the goodhearted people of kansas are the best people in the world. we want to make this the best state in america to raise a family and grow a small business. we are going to keep pushing that dream. we're going to keep pushing that model of kansas. this bright shining star moving forward. we had to dig out of lot of problems in our past. we had a lot of things that haven't worked well in our past and we're on the right track now moving our state forward.

this is what we want the great kansas comeback to be about. it is about your kids and grandkids moving home. not to texas. we want them here. we want them so we don't have to fly somewhere to get our kids. we want them here and they are coming back and people are moving back into the state of kansas and seeing all the things that are happening here. and it is happening here and people are investing their lives because they have got a great future. this is a fabulous place. there is no place better. no place better to watch a sunset. no place better to have a family. no place better to live than kansas. and we're going to make it even better. thank you for being here. god bless you. god bless kansas. [applause] in the interest of time, we

must get a closing statement in from representative paul davis. >> our state simply is not headed in the right direction. the governor's experiment is not working and will not work. ands damaging our schools hurting our economy, jeopardizing our future. we have a clear choice in this election. i have been a champion for our public schools. i have been a 15 year member of my chamber of commerce, i know how to make a payroll. supported by am more than 100 current and former republican elected officials. so if you believe that the governor should not turn the state into an ideological laboratory, i ask for your support. if you believe that we do not model or bluete state model but a kansas model to grow our economy, i ask for your support. and if you believe we need a true champion in the governor's office for our public schools, i

ask for your support. if you believe that we need a governor who will work with people from all parties to solve the issues facing our state, i ask for your support. and if you believe that we need a governor who will always put the people of kansas before his own personal political agenda, i ask for your support. i am paul davis. i'm a lifelong kansan. i'm a moderate, an independent thinker, a commonsense leader, and we can restore kansas and get back on the right track. thank you very much. [applause] >> you have been listening to a live gubernatorial debate from the kansas state fair. theoming up on c-span, house rules committee considers legislation to keep the government funded through december 11.

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government, and one amendment to fund the syrian opposition to fight the terrorist group isis. members met to discuss the legislation during a meeting on monday night. it is 90 minutes. >> will this committee come to order, and thank you very much. there considering continuing appropriation resolution for 2015. the cr will provide for funding for the federal government 2014, atecember 11, the current rate of $1.02 thelion, as agreed to in

ryan budget. will also give the member from kentucky the time he needs to fund the government for the entire fiscal year 2015. number rogers has, for a of years, had an open communication with the senate and has agreed that this timing will allow him the necessary avenues to get that done. chairman rogers, i want to thank you for your leadership and the hard work that you continue to do. and you do too, that the american people are looking for leaders. peoplee not looking for who lead from behind, but rather who have ideas and can see over the horizon and get things done. i know that you are obviously ranking member. she is always welcome. her content and delivery is welcome. i know that she spends the hours

it is necessary to make sure she is up to snuff on the things that are going on. so i want to thank you, anita, for being here once again this evening. additionally, the committee will hear testimony on the amendment to authorize the secretary of defense to train, equip, and vet syrian opposition. this amendment seeks to help protect the united states and our allies from a threat posed by a terrorist group called isil, -- isil. it also strengthens congressional oversight over the plans in the region. both of you are here, and as always, anything you have disabled be entered into the record. before we start, i defer to the ranking member of the rules committee. >> thank you mr. chairman, i do have a brief statement to give.

when james madison declared that congress' power over the first, pers,"e federalist pa he warned of his honorable stagnation -- dishonorable stagnation. i fear we have achieved this. without brinkmanship, fiscal class, -- we have had brinkmanship, fiscal cliffs, and shutdowns. this may ever crisis in the short-term, but it is a clear demonstration that the house majority has failed to do their most basic job. preoccupieden so with their obsessions of suing the president, investigating the nonexistent scandal in benghazi, and holding more than 50 votes repeal the affordable care

act, that they have not been the routine act of congress, funding the government. procrastinatethey on finding long-term solutions, they would propose another closed rule. just last week, they marked their 75th » the most closed rules a single congress, which makes this the diamond jubilee. every time they do so, they stifle debate. half of the country's representatives have been silenced by the house majority. even though democrats received over a million more votes than the republicans in the 2012 election for the house, we have a republican majority. districts have been so gerrymandered that a representative democracy has been skewed beyond recognition. while i am pleased with some provisions in the cr, i cannot stress enough need for long-term appropriations. instead of investing in research and development, fixing our

crumbling infrastructure, hoping -- buildingail high-speed rail, the majority lurches from stopgap to stop gap. the strategy has caught up with us now, and we cannot possibly run the united states government in three month increments. funding to all federal agencies, programs, and services until december 11 of this year. it provides funding at the current annual rate. regarding the ukraine, i'm pleased to see the cr continues funding flexibility with the agencyepartment, and the for international development, to respond to the ongoing crisis in the ukraine. the congress and the united states must continue to support the ukrainian people in their fight for a free and democratic country. and we are pleased to welcome the president of ukraine tour chamber later this week. it also contains an amendment

singronting the ri threat of the islamic state. i am disappointed in the process that led to this resolution, but i am pleased that the house will have a debate on at least one portion of the plan. we arm debate if or how rebel forces in syria, as well as other tactics in the effort. i have deep reservations about the ever-louder drumbeat towards war. the wars in iraq and ofhanistan claimed the lives many of our men and women in uniform, and grievously wounded 50,450. we have done our part. the true cost of war is not just in dollars, but in lives taken and destroyed. i urge my colleagues to seriously consider this. resolution,ntinuing

we can avoid short-term crisis. but if we continue to postpone long-term appropriations, the nation's's economy will be at risk. and i yield. >> i would like to thank you for your comments and tell you that tonight we will do exactly the same things that she is really in favor of. aboutof all, we will talk how we will fund the government, we will lead by doing that. secondly, we will have a separate panel where we will talk about any action that would be necessary to protect the united states of america through military means. it will give her a chance to look at what i believe is the most leading-edge authority on the united states military in the united states congress. for it as weed look over the horizon. with that said, chairman, welcome. as always, that button needs to

be pushed. >> thank you, mr. chairman, and ranking member, and members. we are pleased to present hj continuinghort-term resolution to keep the government open and operating after the end of the fiscal year of september 30. i join the ranking member in a crs.ng -- abhoring -- goal since job taking this job to try get the handleack on track and the bills the old-fashioned way, all 12 of them. is reason we are here because the senate refuse to act on our bills. we passed 11 of the 12 bills through committee, we took them to the floor and passed to seven of those bills on the floor and send them to the senate for action. and they have never been brought on the floor for discussion or a

vote. instead, it just sits there. that is the reason we have to pass a cr. the house is doing its work, the senate refuses. a crr. chairman, i abhor as much as anyone, but it is the only thing open to us since the senate refuse to act. this critical measure will prevent the government shutdown. it funds the government programs and services at the current fiscal year rate of $1.012 trillion through december 11 of this year. this is in line with the ryan murray budget agreement that was approved last year. mycommittee saw to draft -- committee sought to draft a bill that is restrained, is free of writers, and does not seek to change existing federal policies.

it does make a few limited adjustments to prevent catastrophic or a resid -- reversible damage to government or to address global crises that have arisen in the last two months. these include provisions that activitiesical dod that provide rewards for capturing terrorists. it increases the funding at the department of veterans affairs. intorovides investigation waitlist allegations. fundingt boosts the into ebola, as requested by the white house. border security needs by providing funding and flexibility within customs and border protection and immigration and customs enforcement.

five, a continues a surge in funding for state department programs to counter regional aggression towards ukraine and other former soviet union countries. the bill also extends the authority of the internet tax freedom act through the duration of the cr, and the export import bank through june 30 of 2015. they are funded to the discretionary funding of the legislation. not temporary measure does reflect the overall changing budgetary needs of the nation, the same way regular appropriations legislation does. and that is why i am irritated that the senate will not help us do our job. clearly, it would be my preference to have enacted actual line-by-line appropriation bills.

we have made great strides in the house towards completing that vital work, in fact, we passed 11 of the 12 bills through committee. and seven of them through the house before the august work. . unfortunately, the senate has yet to approve or even take up a single one of these bills. as this deadline closes in, we have to make -- take necessary steps to ensure that the federal government does not step down -- shut down and provide us the time to do full appropriations legislation. that means we have to pass the continuing resolution in short order, so we can send it to the senate for their swift approval as well. it is my hope that in the future , we will no longer need to resort to these lurching, short-term funding bills that punt on tough budget decisions

and heightened uncertainty in our government and our economy. now, mr. chairman, we must pass the bill as soon as possible to avoid causing any additional harm to this nation. ,his is our best path forward and i urge my colleagues to support it on the floor. chairman, to seek an appropriate rule on this bill , providing for its timely consideration and passage. we have just a couple of weeks until the end of the fiscal year , and passage of this legislation is of the utmost importance. understanding, as the chairman has indicated, that the chairman of the house armed services committee will seek an amendment to the bill to address the president's request for authority to traded quips syrian rebels to fight against isil. this is a critical issue.

and i believe it is in our national security interests for congress to act quickly to provide this authority. the ruling support that allows us amendment to be considered by the full house. before yielding back, i would like to mention also that we have asked for an amendment on three small technical changes. collectionted to the of recreation fees by the department of the interior and the forest service. this is that their request. this change will ensure that park passage will continue to be available during the term of the cr. another change corrects a the late program. finally, sections on ebola will resolve issues brought up by the administration.

want to thank the chairman and all of the members of the committee. this is the second hardest working committee in the house. [laughter] your admire you for perseverance and your hard work, and i thank you for listening to me. >> thank you very much, we appreciate you taking time, that was very clear and i appreciate it very much. we are delighted that you are that and i think you know your representation, not only her district but also your party, is much appreciated. >> i thank you mr. chairman, you always provide a very warm welcome. it is a pleasure to be here with so many friends on the committee. thank you for inviting me to testify with my very good friend sherman rogers -- chairman rogers. well a was my hope that we could have create -- completed action on all 12 bills by the end of the fiscal year, i understand

the desire to quickly pass the crm prevent another disastrous government shutdown. this continuing resolution gives the senate and house appropriations committees roughly three months to reach agreement on each of the discretionary bills and the important programs they fund. of great importance will be the funding levels in the labor, health, and human services, and education bill. unfortunately it has the dubious distinction of being the only one not even brought to the full committee for markup, denying members on both sides of the aisle the opportunity to offer amendments and that they full and open debate about these critical programs. today, the ranking member and all the democratic members introduced our version of the bill that we hope will help clarify our priorities for the process in the coming months. the cr contains much-needed funding to address urgent crises

, including the spread of ebola, ensuring critical work continues to manufacture treatment therapies as well as work on a vaccine. proposalthe majority's resorts to one of the worst legislative mechanisms to reduce goring, on a cross the board cut. this shirks one of the most important decisions of the committee, making it difficult decisions on the program levels. were still, it is misleading to the public and creates an illusion that program levels remain at last year's level when they are lower. in addition, the majority did not originally include the administration's request for a narrow and specific title x authorization to work in partnership with our allies to diminish the dangers isil poses to the region.

the president spoke correct way to the american people last week, members have had many briefings on this growing threat. while the political train in the region is complicated and ever evolving, there is no silver bullet, and value to act now is not an option. we all expect the president to use the power of the greatest military in the world and work with an international coalition on an aggressive, targeted at degradingd and destroying isil. that is why i request that the rule incorporate technical changes to the language on ebola funding, and recreation fees. mr. chairman, obviously no appropriator ever wants a cr. but none of us wants to repeat last year's shut down. it is my sincere that if the cr is enacted, we can use the

coming months wisely to craft an agreement on all 12 bills by december 11. there is absolutely no reason to punt our responsibility's into the new year and the new congress. thank you mr. chairman. >> i have a quick question, you are for to the technical language being included in the bill. is that included? are you saying that it is not included or are you saying you support it being included? >> it is included. >> that was my point, i did not understand. >> that i make a mistake? >> there are three amendments that we are talking about here for these items. their pending before the committee. -- they are pending before the committee. >> are you talking about when we referenced ebola? technical changes to the

language so that we can talk about ebola appropriately. that was what i was referring to, those three. >> you want those specifically enumerated in the rule to have time to discuss those, is that what you're saying? >> mr. chairman, there is one amendment. >> i think we are both in agreement. amendment that we have offered the has three small technical changes. >> are you in agreement with that? >> yes, those are the three areas. >> at that you are saying you are not in agreement. that.w know, i support >> mr. rogers has made statements to us that he is trying to work with you on these things. you won. [laughter] >> we work very well together.

if it were up to chairman agers, we would be presenting big optimist today. >> mr. chairman, thank you for bringing this to us. i want to tell you that you can hear harsh words about the worked all of you have done in appropriations, but i am proud of the work you have done. the simplicity of moving forward, the honesty of trying to work with the senate, working together on a bipartisan basis. and i think you have done a great job. as those harsh words come your off, i hope you will do that together, i think you're doing a great job. chairman, andmr. i thank you for being here. chairman of the better thing to be doing would be to be passing all of our

appropriations bills individually. that you would feel that way to a not to present in on the vista was actually do each individual bill -- an omn ibus and actually do each individual bill. is always a pleasure to have them here, we appreciate your kind comments mr. chairman about our work. we hope you will spread the word. [laughter] >> thank you very much. >> mr. chairman, i will that will let my statement speak for itself, i do not have any questions. >> thank you very much. the sherman yields the mic stand. >> the questions dealing with the amendment on the military action -- >> that would be a second panel.

>> then i would hold off. is there any other member that has a request for time? >> i always have to say something good about my chairman and my ranking member when they , because i am exceptionally proud of the way that they work together and conducted a committee. i do want to disagree with some of my friends on the other side about the cause. nobody on the appropriations committee wants to be here. but when the other body does not pass a single bill, would you not have a chance to do anything else. actually dysfunction affects what goes on on our side. out,airman rogers points they had 11 of the 12 members to withull committee, i agree the ranking committee about what

she wants to do on the remaining bill. i think we would do better if the senate was just working. after talking with her leadership, why are we going to waste your time on appropriations bills when the senate is not passing any appropriations bills. fortunately, we have both the chairman and the ranking member here. being ableample of to work together which they did last year and present us one. i very much hope we can do that in november and december. show that and the rest of congress to let them do their jobs, they can get it done. the failure to get it done is resting solely on the senate side. unless they can allow the bill to pass on the floor, they will impact our work adversely. it is hard to get these people