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fight. she is smiling extremely bravely there. how would she other? there are many more results to come in. the city that she represents, glasgow. she played a big role in the campaign by offering a perspective other than that of purely examined. she argued for a social justice perspective. she played a pivotal role. a secondas elected for time, it was not meant to be this. he was meant to be the leader. she looked like she was not willing and he stepped in. she became the deputy and was loyal and able for 10 years. the future for her will be in the snp. the future would be the leader of the snp. >> the way it has been. think they probably are a
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fermentable political team. the most that any and the u.k. has. -- in the u.k. has. he is a talented individual. years asr him for 1.5 the health secretary. she is able and strong. also demonstrating her qualities during the referendum campaign. she couple minutes well. .> it is were saying he has made it clear. there is a lot of speculation if cameron can stay the prime
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minister. he said that he was elected to serve out his time until 2016. he has made it clear that that is what he was elected to do and what he intends to do. >> we will have a word in a second. result was interesting. your thoughts on that and what we have heard so far tonight? are you with us? dundee, i know it well. solid, and the snp has made inroads. it is 4:00 in the morning. at what they have done to the percentages at the bottom of the screen. everything has become closer and we have a lot of big councils to come. the story of the evening is clear. it is too definite.
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dundee is a political town. yesterday, they had said no. i agree that the numbers were not good enough for the yes campaign. are still some exciting hours to go. >> thank you very much again. yes. >> we should bear in mind that politics changes quickly and the great and noble city of dundee, where i was brought up, they had winston churchill as a liberal at the time. he had been a tory. anyone can rat on a party. it takes a genius to re-rat. he went against a guy who stood on a campaign of socialism and the prohibition of alcohol. neither of which appealed to winston.
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that was the end of his political career. that was the death of ambition for churchill. he went on to other and better things. the politics of chance. that it is important for us to say, at this stage, we have been discussing if it is no. it is still perfectly possible that there is a yes. is, there is a challenge to the u.k. government. >> it is a challenge to the yes people. if there is a no vote, -- we hear about the challenges. and we needdivided to bring scotland back together. my sense is that, yes or no, a lot of people ask a lot of the
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same questions and i appeal to recognize that if there is a no vote, we look at what we can do in the scottish parliament. happens, there will be a lot of people. we need to see how people are looking at politics again. we need to be demonstrating politically. >> i do not think there are any questions about who is the person. if it transpires later this vote, the a no minister makes great place at that. their job is to bring the .ountry together
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we can bring different issues together. vote.lies to a yes we have to make sure it is clear. >> it was helpful. -- e is this question [indiscernible] quest we're at a point where we are getting results. -- >> we are at a point where we are getting results. parties, if of the would have moved it. i would have my colleagues get to a place. >> the scottish independence referendum held on the 18th of 2014.ber and 2014 -- in 2000 -- 62,000, the
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[indiscernible] to the no campaign. we will have the figures for you in a moment. the momentsne of that we least expect. it is a better margin than they had in dundee. it is not a thumping majority. they would expect to do well. they have done pretty well. >> i have very pleased to the results. obviously, it is early in the evening. i'm optimistic that there will be a lot of positive results coming along. i think the population in scotland. and, we will see how things progress. >> it shows you the point that i continue to make that there has been division in scotland and that is a challenge for all of us going forward. >> let's look at the figures and
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reinforce them. this is just a minute ago. it is eight minutes past 4:00 in the morning. this is the result. 33,000. the turnout is 88%. on a 46% voteyes for the no campaign and 54% for the yes campaign. no.yes and 46% it reinforces the result. let's look at the reaction. this is what happened. unmistakable joy at the headquarters of the yes campaign. they have been waiting a while to get some results for them. dundee and the west.
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inexpect a few more results the next 10-15 minutes. i think midlothian is about to declare. let's see where it is. let's join it. >> the 18th of september in 2014 certifies and declares that the total number of ballot papers counted in the referendum in the 60,395.an area is the turnout is 86.6%. the total number of votes cast in each answer to the referendum in question is as follows. 26,370. 33,972.
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rejected, 53. the reason for rejections are as follows. >> let me reinforce the figures for you. we will have them on screen in a moment. a victory to the no campaign. this is where the modern campaigning started. 33,000 for the no campaign. that is 44% of the vote for the yes campaign and 56% to the no campaign. here is the reaction.
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>> midlothian is almost as close as youllweather can get. they had it right in the middle. this is an area from edinburgh and places like that. and a lot of people commute into edinburgh. that is a decent result for the no campaign. >> yes. the results come in the midlothian area and people feel strongly about voting no. that is pleasing to see there. johnam wondering whether will be available to speak to us in a moment. the fact that no is ahead with the vote gives us a further indication that they are possibly on course. let's add some more details to that. your reading? the noeading is that
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side is not going to win. -- is going to win. no-success.ng at a it is not as substantial as they had anticipated when the referendum was called or what they might have hoped for. it looks as though the yes vote is substantial across scotland and the opinion polls indicate h t there is unanimous consensus that the yes has not done enough. it is not certain. they are looking like the favorites to win. >> ok. what will they tell us, you think? >> we expect the yes side to do well. it is an area where labor
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remains strong and it is one of the few places that they managed to hang on to in the election. better for the yes side. expectingone we are has longe where snp held. if they do not do well, it will be a substantial disappointment. >> can we have a look at what is going on in east midlothian? we may be in luck. let's join. >> once again, good evening good morning, everyone. i would like to make the statement. for the accounting officer .ocal government area the total number of
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turnout is up in the high 80's. the percentage of the low for you, the yes vote. is 62%.ote a word about that? i am wondering if that is a bigger margin. >> it is bigger than we expected. it is better. >> let's go straightaway. we have the local government area and the referendum. we hereby certify and declare the total number of ballots counted in the referendum.
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that, the no campaign. we may get more. take both of them. >> we can describe the situation as hefty. but, it was not absolutely clear that they were going to vote no. as is the midlothian result. >> look at the scale of these results. 23% of margins. these are big margins. earlier in the evening, we are looking at results and predictions in the polls. there is maybe a 6% graph. -- gap. a much bigger population.
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edinburgh will probably be no. these are big margins coming in for the campaign. >> on the results you just heard. with is an area significant conservative force. area i would an have thought would have been natural yes territory. i'm not surprised that we have not secured a yes vote. i know that there was a good fight by the yes campaign. collect this is the kind of support over some time. that conservative areas stand well.
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there is an odd thing happening. [indiscernible] >> don't pretend. >> it is going to be a conservative vote. >> let's go. >> we declare the local results of the area. >> the local government area of the scottish independent referendum held on the 18th of september in 2014, we certify and declare the total number of ballot papers counted in the referendum in the falklands counsel area is 108,000. the turnout is 88.7%. [applause]
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can we get some reaction to that? the no campaign headquarters in glasgow. figures. and add the -- they can add the figures. as though they think it is in the bag. alkirk is an interesting one. most of the parliament seats are held by the snp. it is an interesting result. we are going to see more of this. it is fascinating. >> ferry interesting result.
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-- very interesting result. they had to labor mps. .e was returned exactly the kind of party in scotland that used to vote labour. if they had, we would have expected it to. it did not. >> is not what we are increasingly seeing question mark a breakdown between the link of snp support and the support of independents. it is natural for people to vote for different parties and different elections stop there are plenty of voters. administration and he runs. they do not want independence. there are areas where they do not get a high vote and you get weak areas where a lot of them vote yes. is --t we have not seen
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we have seen some of the voters vote for labor because they want to run the scottish government. thedeen is a place where snp is strong. >> hold that thought. jeremy has more on where we are and the patterns that we have seen. >> i will show you the scoreboard here and you will see the councils come again. order ofow you by size. one of the most notable things is that the council with the fewest numbers to count came first. and morton knows then yeses. 's than yeses.an these are the best comparable
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.ee how close it is look here at the results we have had so far. it is true that smp is strong here. voters have remained loyal to leadership. they are all saying to vote no. comprised of lower socioeconomic groups. people and manual trades. -- in manual trades. maybe they had gone against independence and stuck with the advice from gordon brown. i show you the same effect. over to the map we go. let's have a look here. we have this flash for you. you see this south of glasgow. and, come back with me.
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the exact same kind of affects here. here we are. the 2014 european election results. there are almost no neck with ck and neck with labor. labor voters remained loyal to what the leaders have been saying. they stick with the u.k.. -- u.k. colder graph away and i will show you the councils again. we have done this and it is interesting. this is looking at the d's and e 's not able pleasant term. term. a pleasant correlate withs the desire for independent. we are looking at west dumbartonshire.
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westloathian is close to it. we thought they would be close to independence. the evidence may be that there is not a strong correlation. -- as sarah was saying earlier, we look closely to see what happens. >> thanks very much. angus.o right to would have the local government area. >> the total number of ballot 80,302.s the turnout is 85.7%. the total number of rejected
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votes was 66. wereeason for rejections as follows. 45 avoided for uncertainty or unmarked. total number of votes cast in relation to the answers of the referendum question was as follows. 35,034. 35,192. >> a significant result. thes has sent a minister to back in the 80's. i was thinking of andrew welsh. --l,
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it's 85.7%. the total number of votes cast in the referendum question is as follows. yes, 36,614. 70,039. [applause] >> and it's a very hefty vote , which io campaign supposed to say is not surprising because this is the area that i think has the single most conservative if member of parliament. %.% to 34
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angus is really a significant result. anticipated,ays but that is a hefty majority. angus, much more significant. we had not had any results from the heartland. angus is a wealthy, elderly population. social demographics you might expect, but a huge smp tradition and a significant result. a series ofing these very large margins, which is plus 12% in angus. .lus 28% you are mounting significant leads for the no campaign. , a significant margin of yes.
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>> i keep seeing these interesting results. ,y sense is across the country it challenge for politicians. >> 287. no, 1,000-- [applause] the reason for rejection or unofficial marks, 40 in favor of both answers. writing marks were a voter could be identified for, unmarked were void. this concludes the counting of frewshire the east ren
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area. i would like to take this moment to thank the staff. [applause] thank you very much. >> 90.5 percent, lost a few numbers there. which way did that go? >> i did not catch the numbers either. it was an astonishing turnout. if i had to guess, i think they would have voted no. it's a fairly good bet. there you are, those are the result. 24,000, a big win for the no campaigners. 90%.
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aberdeen, going through at the same time. it is a pretty hefty win for the no campaign. .his is the city of aberdeen lots of workers there, of course, who are not scottish, from outside scotland, indeed from abroad. that would have affected part of this voting, but we can discuss that with sarah. 59,000, a turnout of 82% which is very, very high. from what we have seen, aberdeen first? >> another substantial win for the no campaign. a lot of people who were in the oil industry, bp and some of the big oil companies made clear their thoughts on the referendum, that they wanted to see a no vote. that is a good no vote from aberdeen. >> and we talked to jim?
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>> no, no, that was another hefty when. , even inarden scheier areas where we expected them to do well. >> there you are, the figures there. i heardt wanted to say some experts earlier, i think on bbc, that aberdeen could be expected to be a win for yes. i'm astonished how to get is. aboutk there was a story somehow it was snatched from yes at the very end. i think it is now confirming. it is dealing all of us a different hand, which is how we get to the big issues people are talking about. john talked about it would be a win. i think there was one vote for
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yes, the helicopter to declare victory. i think these figures are beginning to suggest it's actually more than just an emergence of the campaign. people were affirming confidently. >> you mention john curtis. john, what is your take on where we are now? >> just a whole slew of results, about five or six within the past few minutes. no side is looking set to win this referendum. doing so fairly comfortably, although not as healthy as they might have expected a couple months ago. certainly a fairly substantial lead for the no side, if these were also asked if these results are editing like we expect. aberdeen, places where we would expect the result to be not that far away full stop in both places, no were very clearly ahead. >> just looking ahead, edinburgh
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and glasgow, still looking for those. those patterns, what are you looking for? >> the truth is if the yes side are going to have any chance left in this referendum, they will have to win glasgow stupendously. so far, the evidence on the west of scotland is they may be narrowly ahead in the city. we would not be surprised about that. we would be very surprised if there was anything in the way of a substantial victory. in the absence of that, there seems very little prospect of this referendum. >> for now, john, thank you very much. strong signals, from john curtis, on which way things are going. a quick reminder of the totals so far. of all these results that have come in in the last half-hour, i think it's good to have a look at the total across scotland. we have just passed the halfway point in terms of the number of
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declarations. 17 out of 32, over halfway. campaign, the no yes campaign, a turnout so far of 86%, five points up on the record from the 1951 general election. that is the kind of day and has been in the kind of night it has been. even those on opposing sides are celebrating the remarkable engagement of the scottish electorate in this process. a turnout of 86%, it is a great testament to scottish mocker see all around the world. that is where we are, 17 from 32. i suppose one thing we should say at this time, as well, joanne, is if you are going to maintain this progress, there
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will then be, as we discussed earlier, very tough questions about the pledge that was put together, the fact gordon brown promised incredibly robust action in constitutional terms in a very short piece of time. now, is that deliverable? >> i think gordon brown would not make that commitment unless he thought that. i think everybody comes together in recognizes that. i think we rose to the challenge in terms of progress. i think things could be better. i think the challenge to the scottish parliament is now to look at these areas. what does it mean for social justice in action? glasgow,cities like frankly, poverty, the kind of measures in terms of jobs, people need skills. i think we rise to the challenge.
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without arliament, loud commitment to social justice, we would go back and choose. that would be my message to the snp. in the city, a more fair society, the things we can do right now. it's about training, it's about skills, it's about opportunities to get people to work. i will do whatever i can to support the scottish government if that's what they are going to do, but it's not what they have done so far. >> just getting news that glasgow may be declaring within 10 minutes, which would be very big. ismy sheridan of solidarity saying on social media he is brokenhearted at the trend towards the no vote. says the british establishment has mobilized, his view, and the prospect. a final word from you at this stage? >> i think the trend is quite clear in how things are
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progressing, but i think it's important recognize the thing that has struck me the most over the last 12 hours has been the haven which people promoted this anyway it has never been published before. i met a gentleman today who is 70, voting for the first time. people feel genuinely engaged in the electoral process. we need to make sure we engage much more effectively with people and listen to what they are saying, not as politicians, but as people. we listen tow people, how we respond to what we are seeing from politicians. >> michael, joanne, good to have you with us. we will be back in just a moment. it's time for a summary of the news. i'm carol walker with a summary of the main news. results in the scottish
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referendum have favored the no campaign. 17 areas have declared their results. so far, two areas, including dundee, have voted yes. overall, the no vote is 56%, a big win. the final results expected between 6:00 and 7:00 this morning. chris mason reports. a good startat looks like for the no campaign. ,ift off for what activists liftoff for those wanting to keep scotland in the u.k. the western isles voted no. .> yes, 55,000 no, 62,000. winsthin the last hour, for the yes campaign including in dundee. 53,620.
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no, 39,820. >> and just look what the victory meant that yes campaign headquarters. >> i'm very pleased at the result. it's obviously early evening. i mopped a mystic. -- i am optimistic. i think some of the larger population in scotland, i think we see how things progress. is the no say it campaign that has the upper hand so far and are more likely to win, but there is a no vote overall. the government in westminster says big changes are coming across the u.k. >> if, as we all hope, we can secure this for scotland in short order, we also need with similar urgency to make sure other people in the united kingdom, the north of ireland, wales, and england have their forces -- their voices more
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clearly heard and respected than ever before. >> you need a head for numbers and strong fingers across scotland. not far away, but there are still plenty of counting to do. chris mason, bbc news. show aw video appears to british journalist being held captive by islamic state extremists. he wasre in syria, captured while working as a newspaper journalist. in the latest footage, he is seen sitting behind a desk, dressed in orange clothing, delivering a scripted speech into the camera. that is it for me. back to scotland decides. >> carol, thank you very much. i think we have a result now from the north. let's have a look. >> the total number of votes cast an answer in this area is as follows. 115,783.
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[applause] >> so the no vote there was 110, 922. a turnout of 84%. very happily applauding the results from north lanarkshire. we were discussing the importance of this area given the heritage. very important contest between yes and no way in the north lanarkshire. >> we probably expected a yes victory there. in thelook up heartland
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dictionary, you would find a map of this area. as is the most traditional labor voting area. a lot of labor areas, but if anyone was going to deliver, it was going to be narkshire. they have obviously been listening to their labor leaders they traditionally listen to. gordon brown saying that old time religion work to a certain extent. is auth lanarkshire different story. >> 41,475. 62,700-- [applause] 62,714.
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of rejectedmber ballots is 96. the reasons for rejection are -- >> a big victory for the no campaign in oerth and kinross. the no campaign taking 60% of the vote there. the yes campaign taking 40% of the vote in perth and kinross. a healthy 20% margin. let me just give you the figures for south lanarkshire. there they are. a big win for the no campaign. 100,000.to a very different area from the north. >> absolutely astonishing, but that is a real snp territory. they have been voting for snp
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for a long time. beat douglasingham alexander for the seat in the election. that kind of margin, that is really a surprise that the snp have not been able to bring out their traditional vote. >> is an interesting question about what sort of otis switching where. suggestion that traditional labor voters would go towards yes, or a portion of them, 20%, 30%. are we seeing people in the north of scotland, snp used to be talked about disparagingly, is it they are abandoning the snp in the sense of the commitment to independence and voting yes? to carrywish the snp on forever in a day, quite consistent for them to do that. it seems the no votes are coming in that part of scotland rather than the traditional labor belt. >> it's a good moment.
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we will bring in our new guest, michael moore, the former scottish secretary, and the for the yes campaign. thank you very much for coming in. very longt was not ago we were talking about the arrangements of this referendum when the agreement was signed. talk us through the trend we are now seeing and what you make of it. >> there are some big caveats. we still have to get to the big cities to declare. until we know how glasgow and edinburgh have declared, we don't know, this might start to reverse. i hope not, but the trend is encouraging for my side of the argument. there are different patterns around scotland. at this stage, they are quite hard to explain. and yes, a bed rock snp area, notin recent years, voting
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for independence. the labour party area seeing some big swings. have been working hard in those areas. the reality is scotland is divided. it's divided between town and country, it is divided within cities. with scotland's politicians and beyond to get everything healed afterwards. >> the process of healing, the trend we have been talking about let's say straightaway, that process? songfeel a van morrison coming on, "let the healing begin." as a scottish football fan, we are used to glorious defeat. edinburgh will cancel out glasgow. i think what is fascinating for me as i would have expected a higher turnout in glasgow, with the rest of country hitting high 80's. i would expect glasgow and dundee to be much higher.
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i think the tactical voting here , with greatest respect, what is being dressed up as tactical vote, one has to be gracious in defeat. >> give me a second, we are going to glasgow. >> may have your attention please? i am the accounting officer appointed for the glasgow local government area of the scottish independence referendum, held on 18 september, 2014, hereby certify and declare the total number of allied papers counted in the referendum -- the ballot papers counted in the referendum in moscow is 364,664. [applause] glasgow.d in the turnout was 75%. the total numbers of votes cast in relation to each answer to the referendum question in this
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area is as follows -- 194,000-- [shouting] 159,347. 530 rejected ballot papers. this concludes the counting of votes for the glasgow area. thank you. >> so that is it, the big result in from the city of glasgow. nicola sturgeon giving some of the results. it is a yes vote in glasgow, 194,000 to 159,000.
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75%, still aut, good turnout, but it is low by the exceptional numbers of this referendum. no.yes, 47% the big question, of course, is that martian going to be big enough to give the yes campaign a very telling -- is that margin going to be big enough to give the yes campaign and the margin. >> what is fascinating is the places where they have not done as well, the turnout has been lower. the energy and enthusiasm there was behind the yes campaign we thought was going to get their vote. throughout the campaign, we have seen more posters, stickers, energy, excitement from the yes campaign. be gettingthey would the people who do not normally vote, the high turnout, get their support at the polls. in the areas where they needed to do better, with slightly lower turnout, it would seem they just did not have the foot soldiers out there getting the
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voters to the polls, which was a surprise. >> i think we know it now, the united kingdom is surviving. or will not be an independent scotland. had toital city, glasgow be a massive yes vote. it is still an important victory, which will be welcome news by yes campaigners, but it is simply not big enough. notion they had of overcoming the lead we have seen mounting in other areas is now gone. they know they have lost, we know the no campaign has won, and i would be surprised if we don't hear that clearly from the politicians very soon. big one inis the terms of numbers. let's go to john curtis. i totally agree with both sarah and nicholas. we are not surprised to see the yes side ahead in glasgow, given the results so far. it is a city with high levels of
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social deprivation, conditions favorable to the yes vote. 53%, just in the city, is not enough. frankly, to when the referendum, even if the results are as they have been, it certainly is not good enough given how about results have been elsewhere. certainly adds further weight to the evidence the no side has won this referendum comfortably, probably more comfortably than opinion polls had suggested. >> 23 results, nine results to go. edinburgh is still to come. is there anything in that batch of nine results which could possibly, potentially yield some unexpected wins for the yes campaign? >> the truth is, even with nine outcome, even though it includes edinburgh, it looks unlikely. the results that have been virtuallyhave been
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exactly aligned with what you would have expected given the results coming in in the first dozen, 18 councils. it seems to be very consistent. ist would be very surprising the nine councils that are left. >> just a with us john. we have the figure on the screen, which i want you to help with viewers. we have now calculated with a no vote needs to win the number of votes. ,613, based on the tacky relation of the turnout in the contest. >> that's correct. i think there are still one or two councils where we do not know the turnout, but we can estimate what it is likely to be given what has happened so far. still quite a ways to go in terms of the arithmetic, but i think the truth is it will now require something quite extraordinary for that difference not to be made up in the next couple hours.
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>> just one more point on turnout, john. we mentioned the turnout in glasgow, 75%, and in this referendum that is quite low. set the overall turnout in context for us. >> it looks like we are heading for a turnout of 85% or so, which will be a record turnout for a nationwide ballot in scotland since the last franchise. they mixed the arguments for those who wanted this referendum that it has engage scotland's population. that is perfectly clear. has become increasingly difficult to get voters to the polls. there will be no doubt scotland's voters felt this was a choice that mattered and a choice in which they decided to engage. that said, however, we have still seen the very potential -- the very traditional areas of scotland, such as glasgow, are
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less likely to turnout than those in the more middle-class, like east lincolnshire next to the city. that extent, at least, old patterns are still there, even at a time of a very different time of high turnout. >> john, thanks very much. we are keeping a nine on the benchmark figure and the target figure. we have a target figure four no and yes. keep an ion that because it will change as these nine remaining results come in. where are we, let's take stock. >> let's look at the numbers of votes to be counted and show them on the back screen. yes and no. 1,055,716 yes.
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1,256,372 saying no, the larger number saying no. the yes votes so far, 46%. the no vote so far, 54%. that was the gap of the very last opinion poll. it shows we are not quite there yet. as john let's have a look at our battleground of councils. you can see a lot more red and green. not very many councils left account, maybe just nine or so. dundee city, glasgow we just heard, maybe the margin not big enough. west dunbarton sure yes, all the rest no. we now have the huge council of glasgow, that area, 53%, 500,000 voters yes. we are getting those big counts in and then coming down here, these were the first to declare,
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coming in these ireland councils first to declare because fewer votes to count. if i read your the screen now and i spread the councils on noessides showing you the on this site and yeses is on this site, you can get an idea of the position we are in. all the councils voting no here and these four councils voting yes. the gray ones, still counting. that's where we are at the moment. back to you. >> thanks very much. jeremy taking us through some of those individual areas. i can bring you the figures for north asher. we now have 24 local areas these are those figures. 47,000 yes, 49,000 no. for the no majority
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campaign on a turnout of 84% and the percentage share of the vote, 51%-40 9%, so just a 2% .argin there in north ayrshire >> that's following the pattern that somewhere they have been making electoral gains when it comes to the scottish parliament, and they needed to do a lot better than they have there. my colleague andrew is there at the national counting center. firmlyrtis has signaled that we are now heading for a no result, building in a few warnings but he says it is increasingly likely now. what is your sense of things there? >> i think it is very clear what has happened is that prosperous, relatively well doing scotland wants to stay in the human -- in
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the union. they have not turned out in large enough numbers to overturn that. well over a million people in scotland having been threatened with the loss of their currency and great uncertainty and worry ahead think that things are so bad at westminster they would rather leave altogether, more than a million people. no democracy worth its salt can simply put its hands in its pocket and simply turn and walk away as if nothing has happened. this is a very momentous morning for reddish democracy. -- for british democracy. anger in england but you simply cannot ignore numbers like this. quite a few hours ago about the kind of arrangements that might be put in place and the discussions around them.
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what is realistic in terms of a timescale and getting consensus from westminster on what the way ahead should be? >> it's very hard to do this properly and fully before the election. gordon brown has promised that. if are going to see a recasting that'sthe british state, going to take years to argue through. it's certainly possible the labor -- labor party and that liberal democrats and tories will get together and agree on the substance of that. they can be done relatively easy. much harder to get a new federal things we have been hearing about. the big problem is going to be the english one. we've had the scottish problem, now it's the english problem, whether it's a full english parliament. declarationting a in just ayrshire
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moment. >> when andy talks about the unionist parties getting together, the question is fnp will join in the process. independents have been rejected, it looks like. .5 years was the figure >> i'm going to stop you, we are going to south ayrshire. >> ok, ready to go. appointed foricer the local government area of the scottish independence referendum on the 18th of september, 2014 hereby certify and declare the total number of counted in the referendum is 81,716. .1%.turnout is 86
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the total number of votes cast in relation to each answer to the referendum question this area is as follows. ,402.34 47,247 with 67 rejected papers. the reason for rejection are as follows. answers. favor of both >> though the results in from rshire.y a look at the figures, south ayrshire with 47,000 people voting against and 34,000 voting
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in favor of independence. 86% turnout. 58% therefore against, 42% in favor. that's a 16% margin. what do you make of it? was one ofrshire those that could have gone either way. tending the way we seem to be scotland is going so it's not a huge surprise in that regard. it's another good result for no and it does show the direction of travel, i think. this is now perhaps much more settled in a pattern. guess it would be unlikely for attenborough are anywhere else to rock the boat opposite direction. having said that, the point was made that millions of voted against the current structure is
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going to have to sit down for the first time and have a serious proposition that all the parties of stalin will get around the table to look at these issues. we've never had that and now would be the time. there is no better way of healing wounds and getting people talking to one another and coming up with a common solution. don't understand where this mandate, pledge, bow, promise, what has been promised. the people's voice was heard. it is difficult to put to one side of momentous turnout across almost all the areas. what one has to bear in mind is that from the start of this campaign, the appetite for independence has toppled. equally, tomorrow, nothing has changed. not a single thing changed.
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has been elected or unelected. there are still food banks, still people waiting for days to be. ts.re are still austerity cup >> hold that thought for a second. >> on 18 september, 2014, hereby certify and declare the total number of ballot papers counted in the referendum in the east 2.rshire council areas84,26 84.5%.nout is the total number of votes cast in relation to each answer to the referendum question in this area is as follows. 39,762.
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, and i think they get the prize for the most exotic stage setting of the night. [laughter] >> so the figures for east ayrsh ire are as follows. for the no campaign, 39,000 for the yes campaign. noes and 53% for the 47% for the yes campaign. >> we were expecting a yes vote rshire.st ay a substantial no majority like that really is a surprise. this is a working-class area with high unemployment. it was voted the least desirable place to live in 2013.
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they really should have taken east ayrshire if they were to have a chance. correct use a project fear, is that it? androm our point of view, this is our point of view, we feel that on the yes side we have had to face with the establishment accusations of media bias. every single newspaper win against us. the whole currency debate, moving the markets. but perhapsur boat it can explain to me how between now and the election of 25th the and this coalition, this motley crew of people that can agree on anything, how can they come
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together. backbench tories are not going to allow david cameron to deliver anything he said. because thedisarray great labor leaders in scotland are no more. nothing has changed. scotland will get the status quo, warts and all. >> interesting question is exactly how each leader is on spirit we will get a response from the prime minister first thing in the morning reasserting his willingness to operate according to the timetable that was set up by gordon brown. we will hear from ed miller band as well. crucially is what we hear from nicholas sturgis. the question is, using that vote
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that is going up now from the yes campaign, do they then say we will be part of that conversation? it was not just be westminster doing it, it will be other parties taking part here in scotland. correct it's an important moment because at this stage, based on the results we have, with week six results in an six results to come, the bbc's forecast now is that scotland has voted no to independence, that the people of scotland have rejected independence. we still have six results to come, but based on what we have, we don't inc. it's now likely in any way that the yes campaign can reverse what's happening. the bbc forecast now at 14 minutes past 5:00 in the morning, following the referendum, is that scotland has voted no to independence. it's a very big moment after such a highly charged campaign.
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the campaign started two years ago. lots of people in the but aalist camp, significant moment for scottish democracy and a very big moment for british democracy too, actually. but there we are, the bbc forecast is that it is no. john curtis is with us. your thoughts on that? i don't think anybody's going to dispute the fact that they are clearly the victors of this referendum. and therefore the yes side will now be having to decide how they're going to react to this, in particular whether or not they are going to participate in the discussions and negotiations . the only son seemed to be that they will. the success of the no side is by the than anticipated
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polls are reporting to a 48% yes. voters may well be pulled back from voting for change and will feel justified in their argument. that said, we should also remember that as recently as august 30, the opinion poll numbers were pointing to yes only being at 43. one can now also be clear that this was the case that during the final weeks of the campaign the yes side did make progress and as a result they do have a more substantial report than it looked like they were going to give for most of the campaign. that will never mean the pressure on the no side to deliver on their promises will still quite clearly be there. >> john, thank you very much. we will pick up again later. that was john curtis there. when the bbc forecast was made, this was the reaction.
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>> so that was the news sinking in that the official forecast from the bbc is that scotland has voted no to independent. us, sarah andwith neck also. -- sarah and nick also. the outcome has been shifting one where the other. just picking up on a couple of things, we need to remember the scottish national party has been in charge of scotland government so it has been the establishment in scotland. it has not simply been about lucky little scotland being marginalized by the nasty british establishment. also we have seen a debate in the last few weeks that came out of nowhere. i credit the campaigners are coming out with it but scotland
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already had independence for all intents and her kisses but it suddenly became a massive issue in the campaign about why we had to have full independence. i hope we can start to put the campaign rulings to the side and really get back to business on behalf of people across the country. >> we are joined by the deputy first minister. good morning to you. very much for joining us. i know it's been a long night. the forecast being made here, forecasting a no vote. can i have your response to that first? >> if that is the result of the referendum and clearly i am deeply disappointed, like thousands of others across the country i put my heart and soul into this campaign and there is a real sense of disappointment that we have fallen short of securing a yes vote. we did have some that tacklers
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successes. the biggest city voting yes is something we have been celebrating but other than that, obviously a deep personal and political disappointment. i think there is a very clear message coming from the results tonight. both in terms of the turnout and what looks like being the vote, there is an appetite for change in scotland. i think the country has been changed forever by this campaign and what we are emphatically not seeing in this result is any kind of endorsement for the status quote. more than a million people voting for independence. that substantial new powers would come to the parliament in the event of a no vote. say, there is an appetite for change and that is evident in the results. if independence is no longer an option, what form does that
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change take? there was enough parties in the campaign to set out a timetable. i remain skeptical of that. it was never made clear in the campaign the additional powers that were intended to evolve. those commitments must be delivered upon. i will work with anybody in any those substantial new powers but the onus in the no campaign, if indeed we have a establishnight is to very quickly how they intend to deliver on those commitments. i was struck by you saying you would work with anyone in any way. will you sit at the table with the three parties to discuss the details of this, or are you saying you're just waiting for them to come up with an offer to which you will then react?
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>> you relate to pick up on what i said, and i said it in all sincerity. i want scotland to become an independent country, so i'm indicating a willingness to work with whoever in order to deliver that. it was the new parties who set out a timetable and said they wanted to deliver more power. i understand david cameron is going to make some kind of statement in the next few hours and obviously we will see the details of that and respond to that. i'm saying very clearly that we have listened to the demands that has been expressed of this result tonight for substantial change in scotland. our country is never going to be the same again as a result of this campaign. it has been a wonderfully exhilarating experience that saw a record turnout but also in terms of people who voted yes and those who voted no because they believe substantial more
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powers were coming who absolutely want now to see those powers delivered. >> the focus for you would be on developing what in that manifest that you have already seen three unionist parties putting forth? all talked about some sort of income tax coming here in addition to what is already there. what more would you now be saying? by the was put forward conservatives, i think that's what needs to be delivered in terms of tax but also proposals fell woefully short in terms of -- nothing authorities were offering to allow us to do anything about the -- alastair darling famously in one of the bbc debates could not name a single job creating power.
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i'm very clear that what was but awkward in the course of the campaign fell short of what scotland needs. in the last few days the no campaign were making very clear signals that we were prepared to go further and i think it's now time for them to deliver, because what we see in this result tonight is a strong demand for change. after the campaign we have been through, i don't think people are going to sit back and allow politicians to renege on their promises. situation inn a you evero them, will come up with a compromise you can recommend to the people? >> i'm sure over the next few .ays will have many discussions we still don't have all the results in. we don't have the final tally.
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think although clearly we can see the direction, it's important that every part of scotland to have its say and that we see the final result and then tomorrow i'm sure we'll all move into some of these discussions indicating tonight that i will always, and iparty will always seek to do the best for scotland and to deliver the maximum for scotland in terms of the powers we think our country needs. >> most people a year ago, two years ago didn't think this was winnable for you. they have been amazed at how close you have come. in your heart, did you really think it was winnable? you have to say you're going to win it, but did you really think it was doable? >> yes, absolutely. i thought it was doable two years ago but over the last few weeks absolutely believed in my wart and my head that this was capable of being one. there was undoubtably the
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minimum toward the yes campaign over the last you weeks. it was deeply disappointing. i've never thought campaign as hard as this one in my entire life and there are thousands upon thousands of people in the yes campaign in the same position. i feel personally disappointed, but also quite exhilarated by the campaign that we have just come through. i am determined that we move on from this and we listen and react to that clear desire for change it has been expressed. >> a quick question because you mentioned your disappointment, have you spoken to alex hammond during the night? >> i will no doubt see him in about an hour. but did he share his response with you earlier, or not? >> i haven't seen him face-to-face but obviously we've
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been keeping in touch as the results unfolded. i'm leaving here to go to edinburgh and will catch up with him there. >> i'm sure he will share your disappointment as well. >> every single member of the yes campaign will be deeply disappointed. i believe that independence is the right future for scotland. i'm not going to stop believing that. we will all be deeply disappointed. we have been arguing this case for all of our adult lives because we deeply believe it. so yes, there will be disappointment that also determination to move on. anybodycome closer than said we were able to do just a few months ago. that is because we have made a compelling case and many, many people have responded to that. some of those who did not vote
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yes will have voted no because they believe the vote would deliver more hour. scotland isis, changed forever. there is no going back to the time before this referendum and just having business as usual. won anyus quo has not kind of endorsement our mandate and politicians have to absolutely understand that. >> mr. cameron will be saying something later tonight. just a final word, i think there will be people watching this program whose view is maybe one of despair. we have seen excitement on the street. i wonder what your messages to people who are not professional politicians like you really feel despair tonight. but people will be disappointed. i'm not going to stand here at this point and tell people just
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to brush aside the disappointment. people on both sides have invested a lot of emotion and time and effort and commitment. people are going to take time to get over the disappointment of that, but we should not lose sight of what has happened in scotland over the past few weeks. this campaign has been the best thing i've ever been involved in in my life, and i say that now when it looks as if we might not get the answer that i was hoping for. we need to pick ourselves up and move on. that appetite and demand for change is there and we have a responsibility to make sure that demand is met. >> you have been very generous with your time. thank you so much for joining us. thanks very much. >> there were lots of messages in there.
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>> i thought it was fascinating that she is signaling that when we hear from alex hammond, we will hear just what we heard from her, which is the great disappointment that she expressed, but total determination for the million or more votes than the sum total of the no campaign of the high 40%. 15% above where traditionally independence was always regarded, about a third in the country, for two or three decades. it's clear to me that the leadership of the scottish government, we have a mandate for change and a mandate to be consulted, to be persuaded, to be convinced of the powers of the unionist party in westminster. that's not good enough, we will have a mandate to argue, to fight to get a better deal. >> we will hear from alex hammond at 10:00 in the morning and i think we will hear a
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similar message. she did not say she was going to take part in a protest to determine what the powers are going to be. the three main parties don't agree on them. they talked about a conversation come up with some kind of agreement. snpas not clear that the were going to be part of that conversation. they may take of you and said abelard's mandate to cut of worst their hand, but it was not clear they were going to actually cooperate. no, butorecast is for let's have a look at the share, and there you have the margin that is attached to that prediction. 55% no, 45% yes. that's the kind of margin that we are looking at and is difficult to see that moving a lot.
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>> we need to make sure we don't get carried away with the hyperbole of what is a binary vote. people are much most are then the yes-no suggest. main, we on the yes side in the main believe that the no folks wanted what was best in their eyes for scotland, as we wanted what was best for scotland. there are peripheries and edges appear that no one will be able to communicate with and talk to, but for the main part, we share a vision about scotland. the outcome may be different. scotland has been divided along the fault lines pretty much for all of my life along with her that. i am upset to think there was to, but this is not insurmountable by any means. is it really an opportunity with a genuine mandate that people have spoken and we must listen.
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>> i agree, scotland has changed. it is inconceivable that we would sit and just tolerate the status quo. andthe u.k. party leaders scotland, all the staggering turnout, that that hope and energy is not put away and be ignored. resume nuclear part of it when that three u.k. party leaders came together and decided to sign a ballot which they placed there would be more hours. >> these are still in relatively early stages. however tonight's result turbochargers that debate. to try toher leaders
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say business as usual with so witheeds of result which brackets in the early stages. >> you marched in with some mandate written on the back of a packet. >> that is unfair. on income tax, on job center, work programs, housing benefits, cost the party there is consistency there. we should see more effort put into resolving some of the differences. >> let's pause. we still have six results to come through, 26 result in, six declarations to come. this time for a summary of the news. >> on carol walker with a summary of the main news. most results declared in
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the scottish referendum, it looks as if people and colin have voted against independence. the yes campaign did win in glascow and dundee. this is not enough to secure victory for alex hammond and the yes campaign related figures show the no votes leading by 54% to 46, the final outcome is expected in the next couple of hours. our political correspondent chris mason reports. >> this is what a good start looks like for the no campaign. the western isles voted no. no, 62,067. >> within the last hour, wins for the yes campaign, including in dundee.
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,880., 39 >> just look what that victory meant at yes campaign headquarters. >> am very pleased with the result. it's obviously an early ealing. i'm optimistic that the results come along. we will see how things progress. >> analysts say it is the no campaign who have the upper hand over far and are more likely to win. if there is a no vote overall, the government of westminster says the changes are coming across the u.k.. but if as we all hope we can -- we need with a similar sense of urgency to make sure that other people within the united kingdom in northern ireland and wales and of course in england have their voices more clearly heard and respected
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than ever before. >> you need a head for numbers and strong fingers for a night at one of the 32 count centers in scotland. don is not our away but there are is still plenty of counting to do. has been released which appears to show a british journalist being held captive by islamic state extremist. seen here in syria, he was captured while working as a newspaper journalist. he is seen sitting behind a desk dressed in orange close, delivering a scripted speech into the camera. the u.s. senate has approved president obama's plan to arm and train moderate syrian rebels to fight islamic state militants. mr. obama says the vote demonstrated that americans were united in their determination to destroy the group. people in sierra leone are being confined to their
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homes until sunday as part of government efforts to tackling ebola. officials will go house to house to identify victims. the outbreak has artie killed more than 2500 people in the region, most of them in neighboring liberia. todaygh court will decide whether to allow a challenge to rules introduced by the government last year to determine whether victims of domestic abuse received legal aid in divorce and child contact cases. campaigners say the changes have resulted in victims not being able to provide the evidence needed to qualify and that we're not taking legal action, leaving them vulnerable to further violence. let's go back to scotland the side. xterra, thanks very much. at where we look
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are. we are here at the headquarters of bbc scotland and we are projecting the results so far onto our headquarters here. so far the yes campaign or 1.7 1.9 million.o are admiral it is the biggest of the ones that remain. the one still counting, do we have the list, just to remind ourselves? there we are. areaurrell, gordon brown's , aberdeenshire includes the constituency of alex hammond and his former westminster constituency. very dispersed area and lots of logistics there but
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they are still counting. interesting because we are still expecting them and there are some islands involved there. those are the one still counting. as soon as we get a declaration from any of those we will be there straightaway. in the meantime let's go to westminster and join andrew. >> so it's about for the union to survive here it looks like the margin is 55-45, which is more than any other last-minute polls. pound has soared against the against thest 128 euro which is a recent record. the prime minister is speaking at 7:00 and will make a
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statement. he is expected to reiterate his plans for further devolution to the parliament in edinburgh but because of backbench pressure he's also expected to say something about what that would mean franklin and the rest of the united kingdom. our constitutional expert is back. you keep your ear close to the tory back enters. until that the position mr. cameron will be releasing, the position is that the position he is put them in, they're very unhappy net -- and it goes all the way up into the cabinet to meet they feel they haven't really been consulted properly. that is always david cameron's problem, he makes decisions without factoring in the will of his party and then they feel very resentful. bad news for him because his party is still unhappy. but we hear that mr. cameron has tweeted and congratulated him on winning the campaign. what do we think mr. cameron is
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going to say now about the implications of more devolution for scotland from the rest of the united kingdom? >> he has to spell out the implications for england. it needs to talk about the implications for english regions, english counsel. for the questions he probably also needs to answer is how owner to sell that to the electric. english voters may well feel left out in this discussion. also been very bad at making the case for local democracy, they have failed on those counts. he has a big challenge ahead of him. if this is going to be very messy. >> it would have been a most extraordinary david had gone the other way. i hope he acknowledges just how brutal the union is. down here we only woke up very
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late on, the beginning of set timber. running through mr. cameron's mind is not a good idea for anybody but just think of it had gone the other way. he would've had to loan to our moral this morning to explain to the king -- he claimed to the queen why he lost her kingdom. he would not avoid wanted to do it over the telephone. parliament would have been recalled perhaps even tomorrow. >> but none of that is going to happen. , we is going to happen is talked earlier about the dangers in rushing constitutional legislation and also, when you look at that file that was the together, those ledges, one of them is still tingling around in my mind that we will make this college -- scottish parliament permanent. we have a tradition in this country is not producing entrenched legislation that
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successive parliaments cannot amend or abandoned if they want to. does that mean we're going to have to change the british constitution to put that pledge to make the scottish parliament permanent? there's no question it would be anything but permanent. it's another intriguing repercussion. >> is that not a feeling that mr. cameron ripped up the british constitution? >> i think that's all there is a huge amount of panic at the top of the establishment and not a great deal of thought. they have been asking for more details for months and they do not produce them until they were in a blind panic. also about the kind of devolution gordon brown has been talking about.
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>> there is a real question for labor, however the campaign have gone if labor had been a stronger orcs in scotland. >> her constituency voted strongly yes for independence. >> let's not ignore the horror of the working class vote. going towestminster try to agree on a position among itself and go to the scottish data about further devolution, or is art -- are they going to say this is what we have agreed in this is what were going to do. they the danger is this great sigh of relief will soothe people. they will start singing
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lullabies to themselves. >> the prime minister making a statement at 7 a.m. here in london. back to hugh in glasgow. you can't really miss the screen, can you? which wehe basis on no result andg a that's the basis on which now politicians are admitting they are very disappointed at what they knowledge is a defeat. we have now had news that prime minister has called alastair darling, david cameron called him and alastair darling, who led the better together campaign, and congratulated him on a wealth campaign. that is the statement from david
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cameron which we received is the couple of minutes ago. he congratulated alastair of betterhe chairman together, on a well fought campaign. were expecting mr. cameron to make a statement at westminster at 7 a.m., so not long to go, just over an hour before that. it will be interesting to see what he says about plans to respond in a meaningful way in convincing incredible way to this result. although it is a relief for mr. cameron and the other prounion parties, of course it is, they also will have to acknowledge the strength of the vote for breaking away from the rest of the united kingdom. let's go to cardiff because we peter hain there, former secretary of state. good morning to you. if given a rollback and 97,
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the early days of the process, let's have your thoughts on today's vote in scotland. >> for me tomorrow scotland was a revolt against the westminster relief. yes voters and no voters. what now needs to happen as a matter of urgency is that the prime minister and all the party leaders have got to seize this opportunity, the natural inclination of the westminster establishment is to be minimalist and incremental. the decision has got to be maximalist and radical. they're such a strong feeling throughout the country, in wales and england as well, against the way that politics has been done. i think scotland has spoken for the whole of the united kingdom and saying we want change that is going to sweep right through the united kingdom. that must include england. more power for scotland is being promised to read wales will need
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and deserve more power as well and probably northern ireland also. the big unanswered question has been the english question, and the need for people in england, whether in cornwall or the northeast of england or manchester to say we want more say, we don't want to be ruled by the london elite anymore than people in scotland did. >> bear with us because alex hammond has also been on social media giving his response. the first minister saying well done to glasgow and to the people of scotland for such incredible support. that statement in the past few minutes. we expect him to be meeting later on in edinburgh. i'm just wondering when it comes to parties of westminster
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working together on a response, and mr. cameron will have to signal this in a short while. what will make that pledge for mr. cameron a credible one, one that can deliver proper change? >> if he's absolutely clear that not only is scotland going to get the extra power that we were promised by all three parties the other week, but that wales and england will as well, not just rearranging the way westminster might do its business in terms of our parliament, but actually saying to the people of england you are entitled to more say as well. london shouldn't run in and dominate you and it shouldn't be this old centralized, anachronistic way of doing things. going to be radical, because that's what the movie is. it should include dealing with the house of lords as well. there are conservative forces in
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all parties who don't like change. this is going to be a moment for change and that should be to reconstitute and reflect all the parts of the united kingdom directly elected at the same time so we have a democratic second chamber as well. fundamentally radical decentralization of power throughout the united kingdom. only this can restore politics to some kind of legitimacy because we discredited herself increasingly over recent years and people are fed up with this. they've gordon brown talks about home rule. the federal solution to the in balance we have at the moment, to spell it out for viewers,
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does it involve having an english parliament as well as a proper welsh parliament and a scottish parliament and in equally powerful party in northern ireland? >> there should be a federal westminster parliament, alongside which scottish parliament, legislatures in wales in northern ireland and in the regions of england. and within that context of a federal westminster parliament, london already has been england that schedule control. i don't think there should be an english parliament, but but there should be israel power to the communities and city regions of england from cornwall to the northeast, from manchester to london as it already exists. that's going to be the way forward. english need to look at in peace being solely responsible for scrutinizing english only loss in
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westminster. you have to avoid having first and second class in peace. mps arer out of five from english constituencies. england dominates our existing parliament. there is one final point i would make about this. you don't want a situation where the prime minister has to be becauseby english mp's he or she has to command the majority of englishmp's in parliament. otherwise you will see an accelerating momentum for in breakaways across the united kingdom. this is a real moment of change, and we have to grasp it. .> thank you very much someone who has worked in some devolven policies to
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power over the past 20 years. if you've just joined us on this referendum special, we are broadcasting from the headquarters of bbc scotland in glasgow. the scottish referendum on independence has taken place. there are 26 results in an six results to go, but the bbc has forecast the result would be a no, a rejection of independence. we are on air because we have some very important results yet to come from edinburgh and five and aberdeenshire. i will be introducing my new guest in just a moment. before that, some thoughts on what happens now that we know it is likely to be a no. if you forgive the triple negative, a no vote tonight doesn't mean no change. already actually changes coming down the track for scotland from the 2012 scotland act.
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to take the proceeds of stamp duty levied in scotland which is already coming down the line, land tax and landfill tax, more power there for the scottish parliament. the national essay they've got to begin more power there for controlling air guns. during the campaign we heard more and now are trying to find out what that means. the party leader making his big promise of sharing resources adequately and saying the scottish government would have the final say on funding. a lot of people say it does already. they did promise that i'll would start immediately after the referendum. the new proposal for further devolution by the end of october. by the end of november, a white paper.
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then on january 15, a new law published. the question now is what will be in that new law published in january 2015. january 15, rather. control of a great amount of tax take, that is one possibility. also income tax, housing benefit as well, the chance to set different levels of housing benefit. of vato change the level is another possible one. an air passenger transport duty which would give the scottish government power, that is quite a big one. the power to change inheritance tax and capital gains tax levels and also maybe even to look at new levels of benefits. plus the scottish parliament constitutionally guaranteed and the thought that maybe at the
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end of all this you have a federal u.k. so an enormous amount of change coming and possibly even more when that white paper is published in 2015. >> jeremy, thank you very much. we have more figures to share with you. all jeremy was speaking we had some more declarations. an interesting result from aberdeenshire. this is the local authority that includes alex salmond parliamentary's seat and this result is a big no vote. 60%-40%. of 87%. turnout again so aberdeenshire declaring a big no vote. that means that we are in a position where we can also give you the results from edinburgh. yes, it is in.
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there it is. at hefty no vote as has been forecast all night. 194,000 votes for the no 123,000 backing independence. the percentage is as follows. 61% against, 39% in favor in edinburgh. from just got to result in buit.nd another vote their, the -40 1%.age is 59% accounting still going on in three areas. we are still counting in fiffe and in highland and in moray. it's interesting because we were expecting moray little earlier.
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they are very near the point at which we can formally say that no have one. >> elliptic aberdeenshire and attenborough and the boat is almost exactly the same -- you look at aberdeenshire and attenborough. -- edinburg. that's where alastair darling has his constituency. places without would behave really quite differently have behaved almost exactly the same but basically a 40-60 split. >> it's incredibly close. we knew as soon as glasgow ok man that is simply impossible for yes, despite the fact that city, scotland's biggest
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it was nowhere near enough to outweigh the other boats that have come in throughout the night. it depends on where your starting point was. was the firstt and only poll where they were in the lead. this will seem like a huge set back our disappointment to those who said yes. being in the high 30's are low 40's, this will seem like fast progress, huge number of votes accumulated for the yes campaign. is asmple truth of it people are waking up now, or were people in this country and throughout the united kingdom who thought everything was going to change. the people have scotland have voted to stay in the united kingdom. >> good morning to you both.
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it is coming up to 6:00, and we are watching the special from glasgow. forecasting that this is a no vote in the independence referendum. your response? >> i'm delighted that were having a no vote across scotland. martin sure very strongly voted no. good.s particularly the engagement that the public turnouts any areas of the country has been something that means
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