totnering with others prevent the outrage in the crime with violence. we outstanding law makers with us. senator clare mccasskill here missouristat grit state of blumenthal and congress woman susan davis. thrilled to have you guys here. [applause] also want to thank the other members of congress who are here on this issue so hard for so long. a lot of the people in this room on the frontlines in fighting sectionle with assault for a-- sexual assault long time. and i wasn't to thank all of the survivors who are here today and the country.round [applause]

i'm sure took community of a before,of some who came some who are here peers who were courage tomon the speak out about the darkest moment of their lives. endure pain and the fear that too often isolates victims assault. when they give voice to their own experiences they are giving to countless others, women and men, boys and girls still suffer in silence. to the survivors who are loading sexual assaultst efforts haveour helped to start a movement. i know that as lily described are times where the fight ifls lonely and it feels as you are dredging up stuff that

you would rather put behind you. are here to say today it is not on you. fight alone.our this is on all of us. campusne of us to fight sexual assault. you are not alone and we have going to and we are campus, cityus by compan by state.tate this entire country will what this is about and we will put a stop to it. he would have been working on campus sexual assault for several years. violencessue of against women is now in the news every day. we started to, i think, get a better picture about what domestic violence is all about. about it. talking with victims are realizing they are not alone. are coming forward and opening up about their own

experiences. all that more relevant, all that more important for us to say that assault is no longer something he would as a andon can turn away from say that is not our problem. problem that matterst that to all of us. estimated one in five women has been assaultle during her years. only 12% are reported and only a aretion of offenders punished. assaults overchemmingly happen to women, it happens to men too. matter the race, economic status, sexual orientation and gender identity.

for anybody whose once normal every day life was suddenly shattered by an act of sexual violence, the trauma and terror after oner you long horrible attack. it lingers. go orn't know where to where to turn it. it is there when you are forced cityt in the same class or in the same dorm with a person who raped you and people were more suspicious of what you were wearing or what you were your fault,if it is not the fault of the person that assaulted you. a haunting presence when the very people entrusted with your welfare fail to protect you. students work hard to get into college, i know i'm watching now, she is a junior. she has a lot of homework. can to everything they can to support their kids dreams of getting a good education. when they finally make it on to

assaulted? to be not just a nightmare for them families, it isin' affront to our basic humanity. insults our most basic values as individuals and families and a nation. we value liberty and equality a peoplece and we are who believe that every child deserves an education free from fear and intimidation and owe it to oure children to live up to those values. administration is trying to do our part. first of all, three years ago we to every school district, every college every university that receives federal clarified their legal obligations to prevent and respond to sectionle with assault. we reminded them that sexual a chrome crime, it

rights violation. createdwo, in january i a white house task force to prevent -- to protect students s from sexual assault. job is to work with colleges and universities on ander ways to prevent respond to assaults to lift up best press conference tisdales and we held conversations with of people, survivors, parents, student groups, enforcement, advocates, academics. in april the task force released first report recommending number of best practices for colleges and universities to our kids safe and these are measuresd common sense to figure out the scope of the problem giving survivors a safe trusted person a to talk to. training school officials in how to handle trauma. some of the i counts, you think what were they

thinking? number three, we are stepping up enforcement efforts and transparency of efforts. reviewing existing laws to make keepthey are adequate and working with educational institutions across the country to help them appropriately respond to these crimes. that is when we have been doing but there is always more that we can do. we are taking a step and joining with people across the cultureto change our and help prevent sexual assault from happening. thatis where prevention -- is what prevention is going to require. we have to have a fundamental shift in our culture.

the fact we have come, is that from sports leagues to pop culture to politics, our society still does not sufficiently value women. sexuall don't condemn assault as loudly as we should. we make excuses. we look the other way. message that sends can have a chilling effect on our young women. said before when women succeed, america succeeds. is not just true in america, if you look countries that, countries oppress their women are badly.es that do countries that empower their countries that thrive. is something that requires us to shift how he would think about these issues. womantter from a young really brought this point home. katherine morrison, a young

ohio.t from youngstown, she wrote how are we supposed to succeed when some of our voices being stifled n how can we society says it is your fault if you were at a party or walked home alone? succeed when people look at women and say you should have known better or boys will boys? and catherine is right. women make up hall of this half of its work force and more than half of the college students and they are not going to succeed as they should unless they are treated equals and supported and respected. unless women are allowed to potential, america will not reach its potential. of survivorswork ged activists and colleged a administrators. it is the responsibility of the soccer coachnd a the captain

the basketball team and the football players and it is on sororities andd the editor of the school paper in the band major and on the english department and engineering department and on the high schools and elementary school and on teachers and on counselors and ministers. it is on celebrities. and sports leagues. media to set a better example. it is on parents and and older brothers and sisters to sit down, young about thistalk issue. [applause] and -- [applause] a and it is not just on the parents of young women to caution them. pier rents of of young men tonts of

teach them respect for women. [applause] and it is on grown men to set an whatle and be clear about it means to be a man. it is on all of us to reject the of sexualrance assault and refuse to accept that is unacceptable and we especially need our young men to show women the respect they recognized to sectionle with assault and do their part to stop it. most men on college campuses are rest --etrators but the it -- we can't generalize across us board, but the rest of can help stop those who think in down.terms and shut stuff and that is not always easy to pressures toocial

stay quiet or go along. you don't want to be the guy who stopping another friend from woman home who looks like she doesn't or can't concept. consent. maybe you hear something that you know isn't right but you are not sure whether you should stand up, not sure it is okay to intervene. and i think joe said it well, it is not just okay to intervine, it is your intervene.ity -- it is your responsibility. it is your responsibility to speak your mooned. tois your responsibility tell your buddy when he is messing up. it is your responsibility to set right tone when you are talking about women. when women aren't around. aree especially when they not around. and it is not just -- it is not

just men who should intervene. women should also spoke up when something doesn't look right even if the men don't like it. of us taking responsibility. everybody has a role to play. withn fact we are here generation progress to launch appropriately enough a campaign called it's on us. fundamentally shift the way we think about sexual assault. we are joining colleges and join us in saying he would are -- universities to saying we are not tolerating this anymore. is building by the incredible people around the country who have stepped up and way.eading the we are joined by great partners luding the office of women's health. the college sports community. media platforms. universities who have signed up the way, our military academies who are represented here today. hold ourselvesto

and each other accountable and who don'tt for those consent and can't consent and anybody can be a part of this campaign. so, the first step on this is to us.org.'s on itsonus.org. take a pledge to keep women and assault.from sexual a promise h not to be a problem but bee part of the solution. i took the pledge. pledge. the you can take the pledge. sure it on social immediatey and join us. others to it is just part of a broader effort but it is a critical part even as we work with colleges to improve responses and make sure that survivors are won't be enough unless he would change the cull tour that allows assault to first place. i'm confident we can. i'm confident because of

incredible young people like lily who spoke out for change other survivors. they inspire me to keep fighting. i'm assuming they inspire you as well and this is a personal just as aot president, obviously, not just as a husband and a father of two extraordinary girls, but as an believes that our nation's suc success depends onw and defend the rights of women and girls. join us in the campaign. help make sure our schools are save havens where everybody, men and women can pursue their dreams and fulfill their potential. thank you so much for all of the great work. thank you. [applause]

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the vice president talked about the challenges in passing the violence against women act. this is about 35 minutes. [applause] good morning again. >> again. >> again. already -- you, we have ad little bit of an exciting lineup today. off withe kicking it someone incredibly special to this party and to our country. last week, last saturday we marked the 20th anniversary of the violence against women act. [applause] the mostw this to be

significant and most meaningful legislation that the vice president feels that he sponsored in his entire tenure the united states senate and rightfully so. the video that was revealed last week, we learn again how critical it is that we never give up the fight and that focus on makingoe us on sure that the mechanisms of government, that the protections, that the violence against women act has afforded women continue to be necessary we we also make sure that fight to enhance them so he we canprovide those protectionso everybody who needs them. and the vice president has been leader in that fight for decades. we made progress but we know we more to do. joe biden's leadership not only

on the violence against women many otherrish somehows in foreign policy, privacy rights, healthcare, in being a champion for people who have no voice, for the middle class, for working families and for people most of all who need amplified. he is a treasure. a national treasure. and i don't think -- [applause] i wore aa reason that joe biden for president button though we pack even had a different nominee.

he has been tireless in helping us support democrats across the country. it is an honor to have him at 21st annual leadership forum. i give to you the united states america, joe biden. [applause] thank you very much. please sit down. you. my god i'm getting old. a national treasure. almighty, i tell you what, i get up every morning and i'm excited about when i do i keep thinking man, nothing has changed until i look in the mirror. anyway, it is -- it is good to you all.ith you know, i -- it is true that friends a i have been long time. and i have as has been pointed

out, i have been around for a long time. worked with a lot of great chairpersons of the democratic party. you know, i have -- and i mean worked with. thousandspaigned for of candidates over the years literally. and i have never seen anyone work as hard or as tirelessly as debbie has. if we want anyone to do the 60 seconds for 120 seconds we get attack on thesome president or on the persontration the best ber is always debbie. she's up a there. her. great to work with the problem is in being close to her, she doesn't even ask, she tells me where to go and what to do. sister.ike my little

and those who know my sister, tellsow i do whatever she me. i can't begin without talking about just four and a second, scented -- cynthia and cara. i can't see the back of the room. it looks like a lot of people are here. it, it was ated lot smaller room. and the tables were a lot smaller. and you set out to make sure that that table got bigger, and made sure that at that table there as many people as there were men. tried to make sure that things change. you see a lot of old friends out there, and new friends. and we have been through awful lot together.

and wea lot of fights have one most of them. not always the first time we engage them, but it is because of how you have changed the party, how you have changed the , we don'tause we have just have activists in the party, we have world leaders and national leaders, women who are so engaged in using their influence in ways that are powerful. to change significant circumstances that need to be changed in the country. one of those big fights were there weren't as many at the table, but they were in the fight was 20 years ago, in the violence against women act. was passed into law 20 years ago this month. and you know, in legislative

about anniversaries are settling difficulties we have overcome and a problem we have begun to solve but they are also reminders of how much more needs to be done to finish the job we set out to do, almost in every major legislative initiative. and the way i look at it, the second half of this fight is much less daunting than the first half, no less important but no less daunting. a lot of you do a member because you are not at my side -- you are at my side, when we started this fight 26 years ago and succeeded in getting this past 20 years ago. when i suggested we had federally funded women's shelter, the attack, not from just a little minority but the attack from the intelligentsia of the country, was that biden wants to set up, what was the

exact phrase back then, he wanted to set up indoctrination centers. i am serious. ladies and gentlemen, when we started the fight 20 years ago, i was accused of an effort to break up the american family. because violence against women was a domestic issue. in the literal sense, it was a family issue. that is what we were told. cynthia hogan, my chief of staff, and the nfl hasn't seen anything yet. i am glad that they hired her. i am glad that they hired her. that is one bright, strong person and they have no idea what they just bought onto. and thank god that they are

smart enough to hire her. who was beinggan, told by some of our allies, i will not mention the allies, they came along and said that this is just a biden fad. this is just a fad. it was not a fad, it was a social failure in america, that we had refused to deal with although others had tried. repeatedly. for a very long time. and you all knew it. that it was a social failure. convinced at the outset, as i am now that we forced the american people to take a close look at the failures of violence. violence,f domestic to look into the eyes of the men -- of the women who were abused

andvery social strata income level, doctors as brutal as plumbers, football players as brutal as professors. no distinction. eye,ey had to look in the this isther would say, the most terrible sin one could commit his abuse of power and the cardinal sin among all those has to raise your hand to a woman or someone physically weaker than you. i was convinced from others who have been in the fight that if we forced america to look at in the eye, they would stand up because it is always easier to attend it is not fair because it is a difficult issue.

because of some brave and courageous woman i've spoken about, because of their willingness to step forward before the cameras in the judiciary hearings, we began to put a face on this heinous crime worried that the public might think that these were aberrations, these richest celebrity cases, these were cases that were anomalies and they were horrible but they were anomalies. the women on my staff had an incredible idea, they said we should write a report that was entitled, violence against women , a week in the life of america. and they surveyed almost every law on the books in all 50 states. and they went and looked at the crime statistics for just one week. they took one week, 21 thousand

crimes against women in one week. ordinary women, extraordinary women, poor women, wealthy women. a daughter was fearful that she would say something and her theer would take her into shed and put her head in a vice. i remember back then saying something that i could not prove but i was convinced of and being i had criticized because some knowledge of post-traumatic stress from the vietnam war, people that were coming home and suffering from it. womanot understand why a

who twice a week when her husband was home, smashes her head against the wall. chokes her. lived in that circumstance for years, why. they would not have long-term lifetime impacts on her health. now, the cdc has come out with a study showing that as the reason for long-term chronic disease is a consequence of a wounded and physically healed years and years earlier. when that report came out, things began to change. it broke the dam of congressional resistance. we passed the violence against women with one vote to a spare to avoid a filibuster. weeach and every time reauthorized it, because of you, and i'm not being selected this, each and every time we've had to

reauthorize it, the fact we had to fight for it blows my mind. time, we made improvements. protecting immigrant women, protecting the lgbt community. so much more and we knew we should have done in the beginning but we should not get done. the reason i raise all of this is beyond talking about the anniversary. is to remind us that we made progress, 64 or send drop in domestic violence between 93-2010. we saved the country $12 billion in the last six years alone reducing medical costs and social services, more than 3.4 million women in some men have used the domestic violence hotline. are aboutiversaries

setting our sights on finishing the job, let me tell you what success looks like because i buffett asked by the press. what constitutes success? there'll always be some man raising his hand to someone weaker physically, whether it is a woman or a child or another man. the successful come. when the attitude changes and what did i do. -- and women asked, what did i do? was it what i was wearing? it the woman's fault. other than in self-defense. never. never.

geta lot of you have got to your head in that issue as well. that will mark, the second piece that is needed is when every single man in america understands that he never has a right to raise his hand. that it just is not a right. it is always wrong. , weade a lot of progress began to change attitudes in america. we will not have succeeded until those two cultural norms.

i have been able to appoint the people who deal with the issue legislatively and politically administratively and i have a great woman who runs the operation. and she came to me in february with a report which i found disheartening and disturbing and that was that although we made all this violence against women, there is one area we virtually made no progress, it is where it was before and that women between 15-25. one in 10 are still subject to abuse. abuse during that period. it has got to stop. still.e victimized this past april, the president to go out andity

put together a group of media outlets, advertising agencies, talk aboutists to how we can reach a different young americans. wrunyoung men. me realize that all of the emphasis on what men are to reach oute have anden gage young men because the teasen decent and wesn't an can get them engaged. the president and i will be launching a a new public awareness campaign that grew out conversations. it is called "it's on us." will help to it reap out to college campuses schoolsmerica and high and drive home the message that every one of us has a role, a protecting young people

from sexual assault. this is not a woman's issue. is not a women's issue. this is an american issue. issue and it is time for men to start to stand up. thelook, folks, here is deal. there has been another break it is through that i have observed you go to -- in sent out a questionnaire to thousands of college and high students and asked what is the one thing you can do to campuses safere and they said engage young men. you will see when we roll this out in an hour and a half or so, our attempts to begin a full scale effort that we will be unrelenting on over the next several years. that it isclear cowardly not to step up. that there is an absolute obligation that you have. a moral obligation. a moral obligation to step

up and say something. think god we no longer talk about women's issues when we come and speak to women's groups. i used to be and my wife jill was so offended, now i want to talk about women's issues. the things that are going to affect women. where in the hell do they live? observation is everything is a women's issue. no, i am serious. i am serious. room willou in this represent every walk of life, every economic strata, you are not just activists, you are ceo possibly to corporations. fortune 500 came out with their list of the 50 most powerful women in america, 24 are ceo's.

you are professors of great and small universities. you represent every economic power center. collectivent the leadership of this country, that is what cynthia and carole brontë get a that was different than anything else. and now, your voice cannot be denied. your voice cannot be didn't -- turned off. you of not only raised money for the democratic party, you have raised the bar. you have raised your sons to know better. jill, you have helped set a higher standard.

across the board. it matters. there is one important issue that i want to briefly mention to you. it is the economy and the plight of the middle class. let me start by reminding everybody in the press, you all know it, that women make up 47% of the workforce. in 1970, you made up 38% of the workforce and you should, if we have greater labor force participation, you should be making up another two and a half percent of the workforce. more than 40% of the mothers are the sole source of income for their families. that reflects the fact that there are more single mothers, six t 5% of whom work. the fact is that 24% of married women in america earn more than their husbands. 7% in 1970 when i

was getting started. so, what has happened? what has happened in the middle class is maybe the most important women's issue. that exist out there. we used to have a basic bargain in america, and that was when you contributed to the productivity of the enterprise you were involved in, you got to share in the rewards of that productivity. we used to have consensus around that argan. democrats and republicans. for the past 40 years, longer. but that bargain has been broken. the new york times sunday ,eadline in march of this year the last week in march, the american milk labs no longer the world's richest. and nbc poll august of this year, 76% of americans ages 18 and older were not confident

that their children's generation would be better off than their own. 51% of samples of middle-class families. the middle-class is not a number. i had a lot of great economist to work for me. it is being able to send your .id to a part it is being able to if they do well, [applause]

being ables is about to take care of your geriatric parents to intervene, , the most politically stable, and economically stable country in the last 100 years? against other great democracies. it is because we have a vibrant middle class. shock waves run through, as they have all the way back to the depression and other times, people did not take extreme alternatives, it does they still

believed that the american dream existed. -- because they still believed that the american dream existed. they believed that if they helped build it they would be rewarded with the proceeds. gentlemen, recent studies, not by some liberal , a recent article in " the imfomist, study, the disparity slows economic growth. presidentd reagan was , 1% of the people earned 10% of the income in america. now they earn 20% of the income in america. 2012, the economy grew 29% overall. productivity was up 36%.

you know how much of a raise the middle class got? $.14. $.14. something is wrong, folks. and we damn better figure it out. we need to bring the middle class back into the bargain, because the middle class is the backbone of the economy. you cannot have a conversation growth if women are not fully participating in the economy. [applause] these are not applause lines, this is just a fact. womens' for dissipation in the workforce was responsible for nearly 20% of the growth in the gdp of america 80's.he 70's to the 20% of the growth of america. the american economy. over the past 20 years, that

growth has slowed. in 1990, the united states ranks seventh among the countries of the world in womens' labor force participation. in 2012, we ranked 16th. but we can change that. by helping women balance work and family. economic studies indicate that giving women the right -- for example, three months of paid participation leave -- paid maternity leave, that could increase the gdp. other studies have found that lowering the cost of childcare increases women's workforce protection. increasing the minimum wage alone would disproportionately help women, many of whom are in low-wage roles such as personal care, health care support, tipped occupations.

name in the united states of america should it be that you work 40 hours a week and still end up $7,000 below the poverty level in america? below the poverty level. but it is not just about equity, it is about economic growth. for everyone. and there is more money that waitresses pocket, she goes out and spends it on necessities. that increases employment, boosts the gdp. it is basic economics 101. guaranteeing equal pay for women is so long overdue and would have such a profound effect on families. [applause] folks, the paycheck fairness act is not just about being fair. it is about u.s. economic growth and dynamism.

for america's sake, it is pretty simple. we have to deal the middle class back in. there is only one way we can do that, though, and i will end with this. we have to do well in 2014. it is that basic. [applause] i mean, we really do. because this is not your father's republican party. [laughter] i am not making a moral judgment, i am really not. but this is a different breed of cat. [laughter] seriously. think about all of the issues we are now fighting about. access to the polls. 81 bills introduced to state legislators to reduce access. it was republicans who expanded access to the polls. it was republicans in the judiciary committee that didn't motor voter.

guys like mac mathias and packwood and so many others. it was not democrats alone. republicans were the sponsors of raises of the minimum wage. i could go on and on. this is noting, your father's republican party or your mother's republican party. but we have made great progress. and we have made it because of you. but there is so much more to come. pelosi wants to be speaker of the house. [applause] if mary landrieu continues to be chairman of the energy committee. if kay hagan and others, i have been in their districts, they still let me come in. [laughter] [applause] ) they are going to win because of you. if we do not keep these great women in the senate, if we do not make gains in the house, we

will lose the chance to make the next step. because america is about to explode economically. we are better positioned than any country in the world to be the leading economy in the 21st century. by a long shot. so, folks, to paraphrase samuel clemens, the reports of the demise of the democratic party are premature. they are very premature. [laughter] [applause] and there are women like you that have stepped up to run for office all over the country. i was just on indexes for wendy davis, she is going to win that race. [applause] do not give up on that race. do not. if you have annexed the dollar, given to wendy davis. we are going to win that race. and by the way, i will be heading upper wisconsin for someone who is going to give scott walker the shock of his life, mary. watcher. -- watch her.

what a classy candidate. [applause] there are women in this room that no, that are ready to help and when, to make winners like jeannie do what has to be done. they did over $10 million -- kay had more than $10 million in negative ads rising spent against her, and she is still ahead. they are all ahead. but now we are down to the short strokes. when i was a candidate, i could to you the exact number of days, but there are not many. so we are always coming to you, always asking for help. we do it all the time. like you, we were raised not to ask for ourselves, what you come back and you come back to the same people all the time for help. know -- anyway.

[laughter] i want, as they say in the senate, a point of personal privilege. a lot of you have helped me in my campaigns. i know it is not always easy to write the check him out but the truth is, the harder thing for you to do is to put your name on the line for me or whoever you were writing the check for. that is the thing i want to personally thank you for, because you vouch for us when you do that. and you are vouching for all these women and others to make sure that we do not slide back a decade by losing the senate and losing ground in the house. the president is a wonderful guy. he is my great personal friend. but right now we feel like horatio at the bridge was a little dutchman at the dyke. all we are able to do is stop bad things from happening. that is useful, but that is not why we wanted the job.

we wanted the job to do things, and we have done a lot through executive orders. and to the first two years when we had a democratic house. folks, it is time for us to step up and make our case without apology. and that is why i am so appreciative about all that you have done to change attitudes and change the conversation. to stand with the democratic women running for congress all over the country. to give me and the president the opportunity to finish these issues. i cannot tell you how much it means. it really matters. i had a few pictures taken in the back, and one of you said to me, why are you always so happy? why are you so optimistic? my dad used to have an expression, he said, a lucky person gets up on the morning -- in the morning, puts both the on what he has tos

do, and knows that it still matters. what you do matters. double down these next few days. god bless you all and thank you for everything you have done for us. thank you, we love you. [applause] next a debate with the candidates in the arizona race.or's and your calls at 7:00 a.m. on washington journal. tonight, live coverage of the debate betweenit brandstad and jack hatch. live campaign 2014 coverage starts at8:00 p.m. eastern on cigarette. >> four years ago, 114,000

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governor's debate starts at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. tour takes book tv and american history tv on the to u.s. cities to learn about history and literary life. with comcast for a visit to st. paul, minnesota. las vegasn't call it vation but but it was a lively city. gangsters brought the gun moles. you had the biggest jazz artists of the decades here in st. paul. lively place partially because the gangsters were welcome here. every major gangster, kidnapper and bank robber in lived and worked within a three block radius of where we today.nding john dillinger. nelson.e

allen creepy carpus. of thes no statues gangsters but this was the epicenter of 1930's crime in the era of john dillinger. this is also the building where the wat boot legers and bank ros and sent to prisons across america. it is where it began and where it ended. >> we are standing here at historic fort snelling and looking over the junction of the minnesota and mississippi rivers. st. paul is located up the river happen the fort was here before was.ity it is intermountainly connected in the creation of st. paul. the 1830's there were groups living ons that were the military property. finally the army had enough of

them for with resources and they felt this they should be removed officially. move across the river to the other side and farmed nucleus of the city of st. paul. you think beyond the walls and that is what we try to do think moreh poem to about what does it mean when all cultures came together? what perspectives on the historic events?

a round of applause at the errands of the evening. in between, they will dial silence. each candidate has one minute to make an opening statement. we flipped a coin to see who would go first. it is doug doucy. >> let me say before i begin, i am 100% supportive of our in the his role as commander in chief on the eve of 9-11 to protect our nation. now for my opening statement, i would like to say my name is doug d am oucy. i want to be your next governor.

we have been endorsed by the arizona chamber of commerce and the national federation of independent businesses. these are job creators large and small from across arizona. i am honored to receive their endorsement. i am happy my wife, angela is joining me tonight. we will be married 24 years this october. we have three songs, jack, joe, and sam. they are home doing homework and not watching this on television. i have a clear agenda as your governor. i am a businessman and i want to take a plan of action to the 9th floor to be an independent voice to jumpstart our economy so that every arizonan that wants a job can find a job and build a full filling career. i want to improve our k-12 education system so our children, teachers can have improvement inside our schools. i want to get arizona out from underneath the thumb of the federal government. i am looking forward to the conversation and discussion

tonight. thank you for having me. [applause.] our prayers and thoughts go out to those facing this country's threat. i am running for governor because i believe arizona has so much toetential. our economy is not recovering the way we want it to. the jobs we are growing pay less than the jobs we lost in the recession. today, one-third of our teachers leave every year. we have the largest class sizes in the united states. we have badly hurt our k-12 education system through cuts and if there is anything else i hope you will remember about me today and tonight, it is i will veto another budget that cuts another nickel or penney from

public education. i am prud to be here with my my wife and our son who is headed off to the army and 6 yooerlingd montgomerye. these are most important. we have a lawsuit settled by supreme court k-3 versus doucy which we've got to deal with right away. i am calling for us to begin funding our schools immediately. no more delays. no more postponements. it is time for us to make funding k-12 education our principal am priority. thank you. let's get going with our conversation. your success as governor and arizona's success depends upon the health of our state's budget. as our next govern, one will inherit a budget crisis. let's put a graphic on the screen. here is what one of you will face: the legislaturlegislatur

staff projects am $32 million backpay because the legislature and governor illegally funded k-12 education. >> could grow into the billions. looking ahead to fiscal 16, your first formal budget as governor, the deficit is projected at $765,000,000, almost a billion dollars. there is a rainy day fund stocked with about $450 million for use as the legislature and governor choose. let's start with the payment of education. the governor order truck driver be immediately. do you go doucyl you ask the legislature in january make that payment? >> what i want to do is i want to make sure the resources in k-12 education get to our classrooms so that they can support our teachers teaching and our students learning. i think it's important that we understand where the state is

financially and where it was. and i come at this as the state treasurer. in december of 2009, we were negative $730 million in our checking account. so there was not $1 available to pay teachers, fill potholes or provide state services. over the last four years, the state has dug out of that financial on hole. we have $14,000,000,000 cash, $454 million in a reserve account earning interest. if the courts rule that we must put this money into education, we'll put it into education. but what i want to do is take the opportunity to restructure our formulas that i don't beliee are working, i don't believe are getting dollars to the classrooms to support our teachers. i will take this crisis as an opportunity to restructure our education funding, and i do support the appeal. >> we will talk about education funding a little bit later. will you ask the legislature as soon as you take office to pay

the first installment? >> once the appeal is exhausted and the final court ruling has come, yes. >> fred duval: same question. i will expand this: what would you do? ask the legislature to make that first payment? and explain with as many specifics as you can where you are going to find the money to deal with this deficit. >> thank you for the question. the answer is yes, without any hesitation, and to the contrary, i wish the governor would begin the discussions now about this payment. the supreme court has ruled. we can keep delaying the payments. we can keep postponing what is going to be inevitable. these children, we have lost five years. we have lost half generation. our class sizes are too large. the destabilization is too great. we are overhearing story after story about what's happening in our classroom. we have got to begin making this investment now, discussing how we move forward, and let me be specific how we do it. number 1, the rainy day fund is

here for that purpose. we should draw upon it as the first step. no. 2 is we need to look at the state trust plan come back into full value and offers some potential. we can do procurement reform, centralizing procurement in order to pull together some dollars to get back into our cloorm classroom but we must have the commitment to put education first and quit the delays, quit the appeals and then grow ourselves out of this recession. >> this is the number one question i am getting from folks, this deficit which will confronts you. i am not hearing anything that gets us to 300 million, let alone a billion. doug doucy, take a crack at it. you've talked about one of your lines in an ad is you built a business. now you want to shrink a government. likes this is your opportunity. >> what are you going to shrink? >> i think the opportunity again with our budget is to go through it as a businessman, line by line, dollar by dollar and get rid of anything that's not working like a lobbyist loophole

or a regulation that weighs down our busy community and the creation of jobs. there is just no way to fix this budget without kick starting our economy, and that's why i am excited about the opportunity to be governor. i am someone who has built a brand, that's known and loved around the country and now the world. i believe i understand what makes small businesses grow, and i want you to imagine an arizona where existing companies are growing and where out-of-state companies look to arizona as the perfect place in which to do business. >> i am going to have -- i hate to interrupt. i want to reel this back into the deficit discussion. this is big and i am not sure the audience is hearing answers to the question. again, you talk about shrinking a government. what services? what would you start with shrinking this government? >> what i would do is i want to start with the government that we need rather than talking about cuts to talk about -- >> what is off the table? what's on the table as far as the government we need?

>> let me tell you what i won't do. i am not going raise taxes. okay? that's a commitment that i will make tonight. >> no new revenue, so where are the cuts going to come from? >> i am going go through the budget like a business person, line by line and dollar by dollar to restructure this. let's start with the assets that we have. there is $14 biller dollars cash in the bank today. you said it, $454 million in a reserve account earning interest and the permanent land endowment trust fund is at an all time record high of $45,000,000,000. our state has assets, and i am going to look at the budget one fiscal year at any time. and deal with it. >> give us again an idea. what is on the table? >> ? where are the cuts going to come from? >> everything is on the table except education. i do believe that we need to -- that is long-term investlt in our state. i think a growing economy is an

economy that addresses s its taxes but we have to have children equipped. fred duval, for the going to let you off defendant table. what would you cut? where would you raise revenue because you have indicated you want to add programs. where is that money going to come from? >> i would love doug to finish that answer because what i am talking about is going forward and making these payments now. the voters are spoken. the court has now ruled. doug is proposing appeal it, and if he is serious, if he is going to be honest about saying education needs to be off of the table, let's get on with this commitment. it is court ordered. it is the most and single most important thing we have to do. and other -- >> that payments puts us in a deficit right away. where is the money can going to come away? >> i have indicated some specifics. number 1, the rainy day fund. no. 2, procurement reform which has been done in many states very successfully. number 3, we will look to whether or not there are

opportunities to privatize portions of state government. >> privatizing portions of state government. such as? >> there has been discussion both of us have talked about possibly the lottery. other things other states have played with that looked like opportunities to monetize. we will have though have a comprehensive look at all of those things. we will look to make sure that in the way we structure access that we look to create more prevention and wellness in order to bring the health spin down because it's such a big part of the budget. those are specifics. >> seems like a lot more work to get to a billion. a lot more. education. rate the importance of the state's education system, k-12 and university systems as a tool for building our economy. is it the most important tool in the box or one of several tools? >> it's one of several tools. like i said, i want to look at arizona as an economy not only growing for our existing businesses but where others, outside, look to our state as the perfect in which to do business. i am getting tired about the rhetoric around the jobs. what leaders do is they go get

jobs. we are perfectly positioned to do this as a state. california is right next door, and they are pushing producers and companies out of their state. they are not coming to arizona. we are already chicago's favorite suburb. illinois is pushing businesses out of their state that, bi they are going to indiana, florida and texas. so i want to begin now. i mean it's time to act. we need to improve our tax code. we need to -- >> try to keep the focus on k-12 and universities. so where does -- >> both of these, when you are going to bring people to our state, you've got to have an attractive place in which to do business. k-12 is part of that discussion. >> fred duval, the arizona legislature cut more than 400 million in for universities. you are being clobbered for to youtition raises and you said i am not fill so far chris against tuition increases. >> let me address this.

there is roughly $2 million so far that's been spent on this. i welcome the chance to address it. number 1, i increased financial aid in arizona faster and more aggressively than any state in the united states. and as a result today, there are more students of middle and lower fwhok are performing and smart and capable going to our universities than before. no. 2, the govern and legislature cut $400 million from our universities in one year. i took a leadership role and we went after cuts. we sold off dorms, privatized grounds keep, did a variety of things within that space to reduce cost. beyond that, i was very proud to come up with an entire new delivery model for higher education called az transfer.com. students can go online and take courses from community colleges and universities and get their degree at one-third lower krof . cost. the urgency of that moment required new thinking and i led that as a national best practice. number of 4 as chairman of the board of regents, having

redesigned our instittushingsz i produced a budget it which resulted in the first flat tuition increase until modern history. our universities are operating at a 2, 3% tuition rate increase and stabilized with better students, better results, better retentions, better research and we've redesigned the instittushingsz and i don't appreciate these scan attaches which are these half truths which don't explain the difficulty of a $400 million cut to our universities. people said, just close the campus. i said not going to happen. his team broke it. i fixed it. >> doug doucy broke it $400 million cuts in three years. >> i don't think that's exactly accurate, fred. i think the record would show under your leadership on the arizona board of regents, there was record high tuition increases, record high spending and record high borrowing.

you came into the regents in 2006 and the budget was $860 milli $860 million. for the next five years, you had at least $860 million to spend or more. that was a record high. the bonding continued and the tuition hieksz continued. if that's your governing philosophy, the state would be in terrible trouble in a downturn. so those are the facts? >> we took a one-third enrollt increase. our per student investment remained flat for the time that i was i was on the board of regents while we were taking on record levels of new enrollment. the question simply became folks said close campuses. the only way you can deal with this is close campuses. there is no way to get around this. i said not going to happen. we are going to redesign the system. i was called in front of the entire national governs' association to testify on az transfer.com as to how it is you create more access more opportunities for more students at a lower price.

our arizona universities produce degrees more efficiently than almost any university in the country. so don't talk to me about these inefficiencies. i fixed it. this was a crisis brought upon by 50% reduction in state investment. we can't have a 21st century economy unless we've got strong universities and i not to make sure they stayed open. >> doug due ski 4 ways you have gotten to cuts? >> like every small business person, like state government finally got to it, you have to tighten your built. >> 400 million worth? >> you look at the budget of the universities over the course of time. i think we need to look at a way that we more effectively and efficiently educate our children and you our higher learning and we have to be accountable to the voters. there is just over $9,000,000,000 in the state

bufrt if we have a thriving k-12 system. i came out here as a midwestern kid to get an education. i am proud sun devil. i talk about being an entrepreneurial fellow at the u of a. this is the situation. these are the amount of dollars we have to deal with. we have to take a businesslike approach as we reform education. >> would you have been okay with closing campuses? >> no. i i would not be okay with closing campuses i am not here to do fred's job as a region event but there are different options of the just like a legislature or a treasurer or what we did toll reform the permanent land endorsement trust fund, i would look at different options so we could do things more afford alan. >> 90% of arizona students attend k-12 public schools. what is the sharpest difference between the two of you and how you would handle getting arizona up from the near bottom of the country rankings on education?

sdouing has talk about reducing it arizonases income tax to zero. in perspective, doug just said a $9 billion budget. the state income tax is probably 45% of that. the notion that you could on top of the budget deficit, as bram has just described, that you could withdraw 40% of the state's budget and still fund healthcare, corrections, education is tooth fairy math. it's not a real set of choices. you have to make decisions. my number 1 priority will get us back into the business of investing in education, making tough choices to make sure that will happen. this notion we can have it both ways, i would like to cure cancer and promise everyone baumy summers but you've got to be candid about the choices that we face. this deficit will not allow us to do education and that kind of

tax repeal. >> the deficit might not allow us to put more money into education plus something else. so you say tough choices. what's the tough choice you will make to invest more in education? >> we are going to grow. we are going to be able to have the opportunity to decide in the out years what we do. >> here we are? >> in the economy. >> day 1. you've got a $300 million deficit. back to my first question. >> i have given you five starting places. the 300 million. doug doucy, tooth fairy math. i was going to get to that. i asked you that. the math doesn't work if you get the income tax down to zero. you have to make up fwoirl yon dollars? >> the income tax to zero is a direction. let me address this from this perspective. our tax code ought to look like somebody wrote it on purpose. i think that that would be the beginning of a healthy economy

that would protect if arizona families. i think people deserve a tax code that's simpler, fairer, flatter and a whole lot easier to deal with. >> is not what we have today. i want to reform our tax code. steve moore of the "wall street journal" and bob rob of the arizona republic say these are doable ideas but it's going to take time. i said i am going to need a term or two as governor to do this. i need a plan of action. whose the direction. >> how much? >> you deal with education today. we are going to have is to take the $9,000,000,000 in total we are spending. i want to restructure that. >> 9 billion spending on what? >> $9,000,000,000 in total, county state and federal on k-12 education. >> arizona spends about what? one and a half billion? the state, itself spends? >> the state spends a portion of that. the county spends --

>> about well 1.3? >> than the federal government does. >> i want to stick with taxes bob rob said taxes don't make much of a difference in decisions in our tax code. tate ready is low. where is the money coming from? this is a consist oept theme to shows who say taxes don't make a difference, why is new york saying move your business to new york and you will have 10 years of no taxes if taxes don't make a difference? why has texas led the nation in economic do. job creation and business relocation with no income taxes if taxes don't make a difference. >> that's aspirational and directional but when i come to office in 2015, i am going to have to deal with a million school children in our k-12 system that's going to be of the most importance to me is that

they have the proper funds and resources at the classroom level, and i believe we can spend this $9,000,000,000 boat earn we are intending it today. >> that's what i want to do is lead the reform around our funding formulas that i don't think are serving our children and our teachers and parents well. $9,000,000,000 is a lot to start with and those are the dollars i am going to spend. >> okay. going wrap up education in a minute. we have been asking for viewer questions az with the hash tag azgov. are you for common core? why or why not? fred duval. >> the arizona proposal of college standards led by governor brewer is something i support along with governor chris christie and bi-partisan gover governors. we need accountability metrics that compare us to other schools across the city, across the states, across the world. the only way you can do that is to have some benchmarked goals. these are not curriculums, goals

based upon student grades and ages. the if we are serious about investing in education, which is the direction i want to go i don't want more tax reform. we have to tie that to the kind of performance of our schools, teachers, schools in order to ensure that we get better results from every school so every child, no matter what home, what school, where they start in life, no matter that that magic that happens in k-12 can ignite their potential to contribute as employees and employers in our economy. the way we do that is to make sure our students can perform at an international economy. >> doug doucy, do you support commonly core? >> i do not. i have spoken out against common core and i want to tell you the reason why. george will wrote in the washington post that 50 years of continuing federal involvement in k-12 education has resulted

in mediocraty. it has been tie today washltdz for funding and for that reason, init's co opted something that began as a good idea and now, i think, is unworkable in the rooms that i had to talk to moms and dads all across this campaignidea and now, i think, unworkable in the rooms that i had to talk to moms and dads all across this campaign. i am for higher standards. i am for teachers being empowered in the classroom. i am for principals who really make the difference as leaders of those schools. we have seen that all across the state and i am for reforming these funding formulas so we are getting the dollars and resources where they are needed and they will make the difference. i am also part not part of this blame arizona first crowd. we need to have three the top 10 high schools in the nation in the state of arizona. we know how to educate a child. the problem is there are too many places where it's not being done. i want to come and reapply the

best practices at the schools that are working across our state and lead the country in government year-over-year. >> the it will gilbert school board voted asking to let them out of common core. would you let the gilbert school district out of common core? >> i would. >> you would let the school board out of common core? >> why would i mandate to a school board as govern what they should do in terms of an initiative that has peggy noonan, george will. the list goes on and on of the teachers' union that are opposed to this i don't know who boxed the roll out but i have found it an unhappy distraction. if we can talk about outcomes and results for our kids, if we can vision as to what a kid looks like when they walk across a stage on the day of graduation and lead that, that's the kind

of education system a doug doucy administration will move forward. >> one of the clearest goals you have outlined is you would fund the wait list for popular charter schools. [that mean paying private operatorsto construct schools or somehow helping to finance that? >> this is another idea from reading the "arizona republic" but we have some of the finest high schools. the great heart school has a 12,000 kid wait list. i believe that mom and dad know better where their child should go to school than someone who writes the zip code lines. i would like to sit down with the education champions and say how can we move these kids into the school they prefer more quickly? >> what i would like to do. i think it's a huge opportunity. >> funding construction with -- >> it doesn't. >> what does it mean then? >> it means at that school for a

long wait list. it's not just public charter schools. it's also public traditional k-12s excelling with open enrollment. we have parents who want to move their kids from one district to another. i want to reward and incent those districts. i think there are ways we can do that by giving plexibility to those dollars so moms and dads can decide where they should be spent to education failure child. >> i still don't understand what funding is. >> i would offers an the educational savings accounts. those have done a good job if there is a school with wait list, i think there would be an opportunity through the educational savings account type model, the peoplement models to allow that child to decide where they want to go to school in the public system and to fund the wait list. >> all right. fred duval? >> i would love to respond.

85% of our children go to the traditional public school. many don't have parents who can run them across town. they are in their neighborhood. they are in their school. what we know about talent is it randomly distributed. opportunity is not in life. gifted students occur in every house, in every home n every neighborhood and every school. what we've got to make sure we do is fund schools across the board in a way that those gifts can be lifted. >> magic can occur. i was talking earlier today with amber gould who is here tonight from the glendale school district walking me through. neff eliminated librarians and counselors and counselors. every wednesday they let the students out at 1:15 as a budget savings. the students lose two plus hours every single day. tucson school district told me

150 classrooms don't have a permanent teacher. he can't find a permitted teacher. seven different math teachers to substitute two weeks in a row. doug talked about the money washing around in education. we are strangling it's are a talent driven world. we can't compete on size against china and india. we can't compete on costs against vietnam. we have to compete on the smartest, most innovative workforce. >> happens in every home.

you can't get there if your first priority is tax repeal. you have to make education. >> jobs, arizona has typically led the country out of recession. >> that's not happening after the great recession. all of the jobs and them some. 14th in job growth but very unusual, we trail the southwest, nevada, texas, utah, colorado and even our favorite state, camera there is more. now home permits are flat. the economists are pushing our recovery back to 2016. the growth, economy we have lived on for decades is over. fred duval? >> it's certainly not over.

arizona has an exceptional we -- we will call it a dna. we are an innovative, entrepreneurial place. it is exactly the right as aetna 21st century economy where speed, adaptation, risk, smalls businesses is the most important thing. we have that in arizona. will talents be there? we are losing in that debate. this is not about taxes. we have lowered taxes in arizona 23 over the last 24 years in a race to be more competitive. you've just heard the statistics. would he aren't outgrowing the way we need to. education is the driver of the 21st century economic growth. we have to make it our principal priority. >> that's why i will veto any budget that comes to me with another nick nell cuts. >> doug doucy, why is arizona

falling behind? >> this is why i am running for governor to kick start our economy and grow again. i am curious how many people in the audience here were bornstar economy and grow again. i am curious how many people in the audience here were born somewhere other than arizona, it looks at a time well over 50 or 60% of the hands went up. i ask this question everywhere across the state. the only place i have been burned is the cotton growers council. the world of tis cream, people vote with dollars. in the game of states people vote with ryder trucks and u-hauls. we have been leading in population growth for decades. what we haven't been leading in is economy development, job creation and businesses relocation. i have talked to governs roilk rick per mitch daniels and mike pince and scott walker we need to profile our state for what we know it to be, the warm, western

carolinaing everyoneviting state and the governor will be signed in, in january, 2015. think of what january is going to look like in the state of arizona. we are going kick off with the fiesta bowl. two weeks later, we will move to the pro-bowl. the largest golf turn attachment until chicago it will probably be freezing. the entire world will focus on arizona as the super bowl kicks off. it's a great time to hit the refresh button and brand the state that we are and let people know that we are open for business. there is no way to really create these jobs without bringing businesses from california and illinois and the other places they are moving and allowing our current small business owners to and thrive. i was a small businessman i know what makes a small business work. those are the principals and that's the energy i will bring?

>> we have those events every year or most years. sup super bowl? >> not the super bowl. >> it's different. >> golf tournament. people soo arizona in winter. we have seen that for years. going after chicago and camera for years. my question was: what's differen different? it seems something funneled mention is different that's not part of the playbook we have had for many years? >> the change i would i think in many ways we have grown organically. we have an embarrassment of people say i want to move there for no other reason except that it seems to happen. i want to lead the effort. to make growth the objective. i think that growth is a gift. you know, i fly home every summer to see my dad around father's day back in toledo, ohio, when you 3 back to toledo from sky harbor, you randy had in detroit michigan. in 1960, detroit was the richest city in the country. i imagine they never thought the growth would stop or the big 3

could be slowered unload down. it's different and due to a lack of leadership and poor public policy. i can't sometimes i hear people that actually make a bit of fun of arizona because we grow, because we build a lot of houses and we have a construction and real estate industry. >> do you have an explantation for why we are not growing now? why are we lagging? >> if you look typically, when the country goes into a downturn it's harder on arizona because our economy has been built on growth. when the country -- 50 seconds, please? >> can i answer your question? >> we have to go to the break. >> okay. >> we talked about this earlier. >> the hard stop? >> we have a hard stop coming up here in just about 20 seconds on so. i hey to do that back on az central and didn'tal 12.2. do you go doucy my ail policy jeez. please continue. ? >> we are fortunately we have a state people want to monve to. when the economy turns down

nationally t hurts us more as a growth economy. when the economy booms, typically we have boomed right along with it or enmore so. so, i do have a concern, but our national economy, gram, is not booming. this is a very tepid recovery. this is part of the reason i believe the arizona chamber of commerce has endorsed me and the national federation of independent businesses. they know as a business person i understand how to make things grow. >> that's what i will bring to the state social security economy. >> let's move on to some of the social issues that were in the forefront back in the spring. arizona's images as you have noted is an economy do. tool. as took a beating last spring when fb 1062. major corporations said they will shun had what is looks can like intolerance. don't cathy herod for the center of wrote sb 1062? she is one of your earliest

endorsorsors if the legislature passes another version, would you veto it? >> when 1062 came up, i said i would veto it and bram, you are pointing out an individual in my coalition. i was very proud of my coalition. i built the broadest coalition of anyone in the republican primary, and i am going to continue to add to that coalition again, i will go to january when the governor signed in we all know what a wonderful state this is the to live in. i think that opportunity to project that out is something i will do. >> that bill came through again, you would veto? >> i have stated what i would do. >> fred duval? >> yes, i would veto it. when it was coming out of the legislate tooushings i called policy upon the governor, don't wait. got to the legislature. veto this before this firestorm of narm yetcism that has hurt our economy. it took doug a couple of days. we can't let these issues of

intolerance and discrimination define our state. i go back to the theme i mentioned earlier. if you really appreciate that it is about drawing talent, talent comes in every god-given form. it comes every sexual orientation, every color. you've got to put out a welcome mat. these issues like 1070 and 1062 create an image for arizona that is not who we are and it is not who we aspire to be and not consistent with a talent based economy. i would tell the legislature, don't send it. >> another related image question. you are a salesman. you get the value of branding. why would you attach your brand to the joe arpaio brand. es to some, he is a pariah. how would you attach your brand to his brand? >> i did build that coalition. it was the broadest coalition of

anyone in the race. i am proud of my coalition. >> final argument to voters? >> regardless of how people want to get me to run away from my coalition, i add to that c coalition. i have people like leah marquez petersen during her day job, not in her official role but in her day job, she rungs the tucson hispanic chamber of commerce. the latino rooms i have been in, the number 1 issue is the economy. the second issue is education and i leave those rooms thinking we've got to winning mention to win voters. i am asking people to get behind a probe growth positive message for the state of. i intend to win a large share of the latino vote. >> you understand how his being on your team sends a specific message to latinos in the state? ez opposed by majority of them according to the polls? >> according to the polls and i will tell you, i had someone tell me that if you do get to become governor, doug, you will get to set the agenda but when

you run for governor, it's the electorate that sets the agenda. we had an issue where there were thousands of people trans report frommed texas to arizona and dropped off at greyhound bus stations and border skoourpt again became a huge issue inside our state. i did my best to responsively address this and i worked with my coalition to do that. i am here now talking about the economy and education. this is a real issue in arizona but i think in some ways, it's exclusive of the opportunity to grow our economy, to partner with our largest trading partners of the south, which is mexico and make the case in these latino rooms, good jobs,' chance to get ahead, and kids getting a year growth for' year of seat time in our k-12 12e78. fred duval? >> i think you get defined by your endorsements and coalitions? he shaz been endorsed by sarah palin and ted cruz and i think

it says a lot about the choices he makes and thepoms he is pursuing it that t many had seen a full page with 20 former legislate tuesday and city sfirz offices. what i believe and it comes out of my 40 something years of working across the aisle is that what arizona needs is a bi-partisan secentrist coalitio about economic growth, fixing the classroom, long-term talent whether it was working with govern babit and the republican legislature to build access tells ground water code, all of which took bi-partisan leadership, working in the clinton white house to i wantlism welfare rehm or t boon picke pickens, i believe that the things that really change the country and the state occur when folks show the capacity to build coalitions across the aisle. >> that's where sustainable, strategic activity with success

occurs. >> foofrn seconds since he wanted to point out my coalition, someone who said boycott arizona. he supported nancy pelosi and spent his entire life as a special interest lobbyit. >> that's what you have done. so to say that you are not a partisan, someone who is the democrat money man for the democratic governor's association is a bi-partisan individual, i have been selling waffle cones. >> that's what i have been doing. been in the private sector. your entire life has been at the intersection of politics, money and washington, d.c. >> if i was partisan, i don't think two 00 republicans including many elected officials, leo corbett. the senate president during the time i was govern babit legislation and he is one of the endorsers. these are people that may have seen my strategic ability to reach across the aisle and build sustainable coalition around big

outcomes. >> let's get to the questions we have been getting the on our twitter feed. what is your stand on gay marriage. it is before the federal appeals court. do you support it or not? >> yes. i favor major equality. i believe it is a time to recognize family members who have struggled with this issue and throughout my life, we have dealt with this and it is high time that we end this discrimination. there are folks who are in love and have stable relationships to marry. >> do you support same sex marriage? >> i have supportive of traditional marriage. as an elected leader, i don't expect people to agree with me on every issue but i will state what i believe. i will respect others and i will listen and i will treat everyone with dignity and kindness and on an issue like this, a governor doesn't make the decision. this decision is decided by the people, i believe. and we will see what the people

say, but that's where i stand. >> if the courts ruled until favor of same-sex marriage, you would abide by that? >> when you become governor, you take an oath to uphold the law and the constitution. i will uphold our law. >> on the minimum wage, would you increase the minimum wage in arizona to $15 an hour? do you go doucy? >> listen, nobody wants a minimum wage job. i think what people want are full filling careers. my concern is, i want to maximize everyone's opportunity to have a larger paycheck. my son has a minimum wage job. he makes $7 and $0.90 an hour. i don't know that he would still be employed if the minimum wage went to $15. so i would first wants to say is there any talk of a routine age minimum wage so that we don't destroy teen aners in the workforce and the

non-partnershnon-if partisan legislate process america would lose 500,000 jobs as someone who wants to see more jobs, more opportunity, more careers happen so i am not supportive of it. >> fred duval? >> there is no question that it was virtually impossible to support a family on today's minimum wage. the minimum wage has not kept up. in arizona, voters passed an initiative so that the arizona is close to the right approach going forward. something occurred to me. correct me. did you get a chance to respond to your jobs plan? earlier in the evening, did you respond in we were talking with do you go douky? >> i would welcome the chance. >> did i bring you in? >> i don't recall. >> all right. >> i will leave it to you.

>> thighing to be fair. i appreciate that? >> i would be happy to talk about jobs. >> same thing, as specific as you can, you heard me say to do you go doucy, we have been doing a lot of the same things for a while. what can you do that is different. >> ter inc. sure. welcome the question. it is so important that we create economic energy arizona number 1 is quit the self destructive things like 1062 clearly but let's get on with clearing the economy. nursing small businesses. we lose too many in those first couple of years. i think we need lower tax treatment and real public policy tools to make sure the entrepreneurial injury is more successful. trade with mention close's middle class is growing faster than our own. we are perfectly positioned but we have been watching texas, new mexico and of steal a lot of that trade.

we have to wehave engagement wi mexico. i would leah delegation of bi-partisan business leaders. back to what we were talking about earlier, we have to have an innovation based economy where you are covering and innovating new things that the rest of the world will want to buy. >> requires research and development. it requires research and development help, strong universities, commercialization, export strategies but we have got to be in the business where we arekrauting things that other people outside of arizona want to buy if we want to grow our economy. >> i am grashings seems like when we talk about mexico in the context of immigration. president obama said he will take executive action on immigration after the mid-term elections to include some sort of legal status for millions of undocumented immigrants. fred duval, do you support the president acting on his hoown? >> i hope the president will take this moment to create at

sustainable bi-partisan solution. there is a consensus which has not yet passed the congress. led by mccain and flake as well as democrats that focuses more on the border to secure the border. >> is that a "no"? >> what i want to do is a permanent solution. >> do you support the president acting on his own? >> he is not going to act. i support his postponement of that sglfshings after the mid terms, he says? >> i hope not. i hope what happens is we solve this once and permitly so we have a solution that works for arizona and our border. >> is that a "yes" or a "no"? >> he said it's not going to happen. >> after the mid-term. >> i don't think it will. i think we will pass a bill. >> okay. doug doucy? >> the president said it's going to happen. it's going to happen and i am opposed to it. an executive order from washington, d.c. is not bi-partisan. >> well, all right. >> any more favor of comp prehencei reform passed by our

congress being held up by the republicans in the house. it is time for the president and the republicans who have failed us in washington. this disfunction has gone on along enough. i have watched it with energy, budget issues and now on immigration. we need this congress to act on a permanent stloouings works for our border community and our state economy. >> doug doucy. we talked about mexico in the context of immigration. what about trade with mentixico? i don't believe they have a trade office is there: what's the plan for developing trade with mention close? >> we are going to have a trade office with mexico. there are our largest trading apart partner times four. this is a great opportunity for the state of. we are personal glee gravellingcally positioned next to probably the worst run state in the nation, california, which is pushing people, producers and businesses out and a mexican economy. it's a relationship with the governor of seniora and sinaloa

and of the president of mexico. it's not only symbolic. it's substance. we've got the mariposa port in nogales. it's an opportunity for us to build infrastructure. when the good guys are coming across, the trucks, the transit, the tourism, the trade, neil welcomed to arizona. this is our national relationship. it's the way to jump start southern arizona's economy. pima county cochise, santa cruz are in a different and i believe you pulling the tourniquet off of that and taking a page again out of texas will dramatically affect our sdmae positive direction. >> care to add anything? >> yeah. we have to embrace mexico. there is more to be done that mariposa port.

>> that's clearly at the moment a bottle neck. this deep water port in the baja is a huge opportunity for us to move. it needs more cargo capacity at our airport. we need to look at this as an architectural design as how it is that we are the most cost effective efficient place for mexican goods to come and to rebuild the mexican tourist traffic which has decimated so many towns. >> the question i would like to ask: is there anything the other side is saying about you that you think is flat out wrong? do you go doucy? >> well -- >> one thing. just one? >> i will just say that cold stone creamery is an american success story that started here in arizona. we built it to 1440 ice cream stores operating in all 50 states, we sold cold stone in 2007. today, it operates in 25

countries around the world and it's something i am most proud of my wife, angela and my three sons. after that, i am most proud of cold stone creamery. >> what's the one thing people said that's wrong? >> anybody watching t.v. says what folks are saying about cold stone creamery. >> fred duval, same question for you. >> i am proud of my family certainly and i find it somewhat disingenuous that there is this barrage of partisan attack ads about this issue when we were faced with this $400 million cut and without a context, it's completely sort of a half-baked ad. it's the nature of politics. i get it. i issued a challenge. let's tell these folks go away. let's have this kind of debate where we mix it up and share our views and visions of arizona through our own voices. >> that's not what's happened.

>> cities have big beefs with the legislature. they have lost a lot of funding. what would you do to work with cities an towns to restore revenue? >> i would build a relationship. i saw mayor louis and shrainey. i have gotten to know mayor smith and i would reach out to these mayors as somebody whos bliefz in a government. when we have well-run city governments and city councils that want to get things done, i want to get them their funding and their programs. let them do what they need to do and the state can do its role. >> fred duval? >> i do. work with the mayors, i work with mayors on the issues building phoenix freeways and other issues through my background. the most important issue, i think between the cities, county

and san states. we are devastating our infra structure so far behind. it has to be a priority. we have a budget deficit. if we were to repeal the income tax, it would be greater. you couldn't do that. we've got to make sure that cities and towns have got the resources to assure that there is public safety, there are streets, road repair and there is the highway growth of the future to support our business growth we so badly need. >> that brings us to the end of our questions. now, each candidate has one minute for a closing statement. we did flip a coin at the outset. mr. doucy, you go first? >> i want to thank bram and channel 12 and srp and the arizona republic and everyone put on this forum. it was a good day in the doucy campaign when we learned that the national federation of independent businesses and the address chamber of commerce and industry had endorsed our campaign. kickstarting the economy is what animates my reason to run for

governor. i have spent my entire adult life in the private sector, in business, building a brand now that's known around the country and now the world. i have been your state treasurer for the last nooirl $4 managing fwhooefrl and a half billion dollars of state assets that are growing faster today than twherp i came into. i want to take those skills, that businesslike approach and fresh entrepreneurial energy to the governor's. the reason i want you to vote for me is the plan of action that i have for our state to kickstart our economy so that jobs are plentiful. to reform k-12 education so that there are no winners or losers inside these classrooms and be the most innovative and inventive governor when they present new ideas to the federal government so we can take charge the direction of our state. if you have questions about my campaign, you can go to do you

godoucy.com or on twitter or face book thank you for your attention this evening. i have so looked forward to serving as you your governor and leading arizona to a strong new future that lies just in front of us. here are the design impairtives: how do you create the more energized business growth in the country sflee 2, the best introchlt in the k-12 space? and 3, how do you create an inclusive environment? the most important is that we have to get back into k-12 funneled to go assure that our students have success and it's an area where we disagree and the signature issue of my campaign. like i said, i came to tucson in 1963. my father was asked to start a medical school at the university of arizona. one day, i should add, the legislature only gave the university of arizona $1 million. we had to raise the money 3r50i689. we drove into a gas station. the guy filling our tank -- a long time ago -- knocks on the

wind 0 and said are you the doctor trying to raise money for the medical school? he said yes he goes in the mechanic's gay and they am gave a can and said doctor, if we want a better -- >> have to do our share. i am hoping you will do your share to build the educational opportunities we need for our children to grow the economy. >> sorry i had to do that. and that wraps up our debate for tonight. thank you to all of our sponsors. thank you to the audience here on, on t.v., online and most important, thank you to our candidates [applause.]

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