midterm elections in arkansas, pennsylvania, and kentucky. as always, we will take your calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. "washington journal" is next. ♪ least one member of congress is questioning the leadership of the secret service after two sicker the breaches occurred at the white house. a man jumped over and mated to the front door of the portico of the white house. yesterday a driver attempted to get onto the grounds of the vehicle screening area. the events are going to "inspire" more security breaches, according to some. the obama administration last week launched a new effort looking at racial bias and how it affects mobile law enforcement. this three-year effort will take

place in five cities across the united states with hopes by the administration of building community trust. for the first warty five minutes this morning we will learn more about this. but we want to get your thoughts on the justice department's efforts overall and looking at racial bias in law enforcement. here is how you can weigh in this morning. for democrats -- host: we have a mind set aside for those of you in law enforcement -- host: this was announced last

week by the justice department. eric holder, holding a press conference to talk about it. here is the ap headline -- feds launch police bias study. they talked a bit about what was involved in it, including bringing up what happened in ferguson, missouri. here is a little bit from the announcement last week. >> we cannot allow tensions present in so many neighborhoods across america. not just in ferguson, but in many neighborhoods across this country, we can't allow these tensions, policies, and issues to go unresolved. we each have an essential obligation. i think we also have the unique opportunity based on what to ensuren argus and fairness, eliminate bias, and build community engagement. >> to talk to us about the

details of this program, joining us on the phone from the associated press is eric tucker. mr. tucker, can you tell us a ferguson was the main driver of the program, or was the something in the works already? >> this was something in the works already. the justice department had announced it was soliciting bids for a study of this nature. the attorney general said that ferguson made the effort more timely, more urgent, reaffirming that it was a good idea. it isabout racial bias, about law enforcement, but what exactly is this the opening to >> what thech mark measure of race relations in these types of communities looks like. how it works. how police and minority communities are getting along. what efforts are needed to improve that relationship. is driven by certain

philosophies as to how best to develop strong community trust between minority communities and police. will likely be implementing those sorts of guideposts in those cities. host: the five pilot cities are not announced yet? caller: correct. a $5 million price tag, exactly how does the justice department study something like this? that is a good question. i think it will be a combination of data collection and data analysis. in ferguson one of the things stoppedrged was that it when they were more likely to find contraband in the cars. they will be looking at traffic stop data. it will be going out and interviewing community members,

saying how you feel about the police so that they will be froming that interaction both the policing perspective and community perspective. host: does this effort include a voice from law enforcement directly involved? is no: sure, there question that there will be communication with the departments there. previous studies were similar efforts were launched, it has been the police who have been proactive in terms of seeking that thereecognizing is a race driven issue in the community. they have requested help. there will be a voice there. host: as far as the research is concerned, can you tell us more about who is involved, the groups, their background, and where they come from? they come from multiple

universities and institutions. john j in new york. yale, ucla. the urban institute. worked together in previous cities, including chicago and new haven. so, they have developed a program as part of the bit where they talk about the need for racial reconciliation. the talk about the need for reducing implicit bias in the minds of police officers in a way that is not a conscious effort to be biased. officers often carry with them an implicit bias them warms their decisions. collectively they have this overarching philosophy that they promote as to reducing tensions. that was eric tucker, from the associated press, talking about this newly launched bias.

mr. tucker, thank you. caller: thank you. we want to give you a chance to give your thoughts on this. the lines are open -- this studyiterate, will cost about 4.7 million dollars and it provides training to officials on bias reduction and procedural fairness. the program will take place on five pilot sites around the country. those sites have not yet been announced. houston, texas, you are up wrist. what d think about this study? weler: i think it is money well spent. 4.7 million dollars is a drop in

the bucket compared to some of the other efforts. it will have an effect here in our community, not rod. i have weighed in on the c-span facebook post this morning and it seems, though, that some people have made racism some sick heart of being patriotic. about disparities attorney general holder and president obama. i think we all need to learn to accept more from the community and learn to work together. >> do you think that law enforcement organizations across the united states already considered these kinds of things and even study them on their own? that they are very reactionary, not proactive. the things happen in community, like in ferguson, missouri, people then tend to wake up and say that there is

than a problem instead of recognizing the issues that need to be addressed, like this study will show, i'm sure. and then they try to fix it and often times it is too late to does there is too much mistrust or bias towards the community already. host: independent line, good morning. go ahead. caller: excuse me, i would like to say that there is obviously a bias that has been going on for hundreds of years. we have never solve the race problem in this country. i have friends in law enforcement and the majority of them are for counts, but some are against it. i say to them -- what do you have against it? from what i can usually understand, these people have something to hide. responsibilityof with a gun and a badge and everything.

i think it should be a federal requirement that the cities are getting federal money. i don't know why anyone with that much authority would want to be watched. host: pennsylvania, republican line, j. has been aboutit five weeks since i have called. i want to say hello, thank you. are you there? host: guest: yeah, go ahead --host: yeah, go ahead. caller: the first thing i want to say is, as i said before, diversity destroys trust. it atomize as populations and causes us to spend billions to try to manage something that is told to us and our children is a strength when it is a source of endless strife. let's stop saying that diversity is a strength. we are getting more diverse and having more loss of liberty with more mechanisms in place to keep us in line. that is what will happen to america in the future.

but my point is that the asian --adox -- how come asians dark skinned asians, like a girlfriend of mine from vietnam, i happen to be white, how come they don't seem to be in prison in such huge numbers. how come they go to work and have 15 hour workdays with such wrong families -- decide, to our study, what do you think of this? caller: i think they should look at the asian paradox look at the fact -- paradox. i think that they should look at how these asians would be in prison, but they don't because they behave themselves and have a strong work ethic. strong -- cultural thing that nothing is going to fix. host: vernon, good morning. caller: it seems to me that every time someone gets killed,

police seem to me like they get a paid vacation. i was just wondering why there aren't a paid vacation if they are guilty of a crime, do they have to pay that money back? host: what do you think of the study on racial bias in law caller: a lot of police officers are good police officers, but it is also the best job if you are a racist. that it is unjust, it is a lot of people that is racist. what do you base that on? was raised in central los angeles. i have seen what they do. host: our phone lines --

host: "the park city daily news" takes a look at rand paul, speaking in california to a group of republicans. the headline -- "gop must try new tactics."

host: mildred, hello. caller: this is philip, actually. host: philip, hello. .aller: yes, this is philip i believe that any studies that bring light to the subject of race and law enforcement are a good thing. i am also proposing -- i work for the long beach police department for 20 years.

i worked in security for five years. i work in the department of defense for about eight months. i think that one thing that needs to be brought up is negro phobic. there might be some of that in law enforcement. -- with discipline host: your experience with and tell you that law enforcement studies these things on their own? that there is no need for a federal study? caller: no, it is good, this brings light to it. but i also think the one thing that happens is the clash of cultures. you have a police culture that lists a certain thing that makes peace and harmony. you have some of the youth in

the negro or black community who take on a persona of gangsterism. they fit all the criteria to be in a gangster persona. you know? they kind of idolize the gangsters. the gangster rap, they act in a certain way. they have the language. lena, portland, oregon, democratic line. caller: i agree, the study opens up the subject, that's all the study is going to do. if we as americans are honest with each other, we know that racism, that america is really one of the most racist countries in the world, bar none. us in the world because you have no moral authority.

up if they want to open it with that study, pine, but it's like the gentleman said, they have taken unto themselves a persona of what they think black people are and then they let that persona permit them to do bad things with the people they have put that on. thank you very much. i will listen to other comments. host: from arthur in trenton, new jersey, independent line. you are next, good morning. caller: good morning. i am originally from south carolina and i think the thing that the country needs to get , iether about this racism think they are selling the country short. you know what i mean? martin luther king, he is , fightinghese folks

against tierney and injustice for all people, we seem to be going back in time. caller: do you think this --host: do you think the study will accomplish anything? caller: sure it will. we need to start to get a grip, though. people in this country, this isis, who's going to fight them? ost: or, good morning. caller: -- next caller, good morning. have a concern. i hear about what is going on with racism within law enforcement communities. this is not new, it has been going on for a long time. i appreciate c-span for bringing

it up, but -- think abouto you the study, first and foremost? i think it is a great beginning, but there is some oversight that needs to be done to make sure that the money is being directed and actually put into proactive roles. the line forled on law enforcement, what is your background? caller: i am actually an engineer. host: rebecca, hello. hi, where i live we have a lot of people coming in. i see them in the doctor's offices and they don't have -- they are not just children. i have lived here for many years and they are not legal.

homeland is just letting them come in. nobody is turning them away. whenever anything seems to be intoto them, a gets turned a story about racism. it's using racism as a strawman. what about the study of racism within law enforcement, what do you think of it? i am not that familiar with it. host: again, if you want to call us and talk to us about this study, we have a couple of about here, it will cost $4.7 million over the course of three years. the study will take place in five cities across the united states. if you want to make yourselves known, as the reporter kind of

set it up, here's how you can do so -- host: on "newsmakers" after this, the chair of the judiciary committee is talking with reporters on a variety of topics , including the affordable care act and about immigration. it is using the president's actions as a grounds for a lawsuit. he spoke specifically about the status of a republican lawsuit taken place against president obama. [video clip] hintingems like you are that speaker boehner and kevin mccarthy will be going on with another lawsuit.

>> i don't want to speak for them, up from my standpoint it would be very important to immediately take action and challenge administrative steps that give work authorizations and other legal benefits to people who are not lawfully here . mib 5 million or 6 million more people as opposed to the several hundred thousand that have already taken place. i do not have an update on when the lawsuit will be filed, but i know it will be filed because the house has already voted to authorize going forward on that. host: more that conversation takes place after this show, at 10:00. you can see it at 10:00 and 6:00. hubert, you're up next,

democratic line, high. hubert yes, my name is and i and a county magistrate are here in arkansas. i do agree with the study. i think it should have been done along time ago. it may have even been a duplication of services, because we can look at certain things, which the department has already lawrded that show bias in enforcement. several years ago i was served on the city council here in west memphis, arkansas. i tried to establish a human rights commission that would do exactly what the justice department is doing. the quorumelected to , i attempted to do the same back and people would not it. i mean, the politicians would not back it. it led me to create a nonprofit

organization called the justice commission. we are now in the process of getting grants and doing things, to do that same thing now. the question is, once we prove it, most black people will tell that there is racial profiling and most whites will look at it with skepticism because they are not racially profiled. it is hard for them to believe that law enforcement as -- is as evil as most black people will say that they are. there is a distrust on the court. it has never been the frame of the black community. most lynchings and hangings were done by deputy sheriffs, or they have knowledge of it.

or they covered it up. host: are these studies better accomplish on a local level, like what you were trying to accomplish, rather than the federal level? caller: i think that it can be done in concert. the reason i say that is because when you have people pushing state rights, you have a judges,e or a mafia of ,rosecutors, farmers, bankers even if they have the evidence they would cover it up. host: al, ohio, democratic line. hi.er: i'm so glad you guys are looking into this. it is a shame, the way we have seen is going on, people being slaughtered. of police had a bunch

officer shot and killed. 147 times, each one of them was shot. and then there is what you see when an officer stops a set of white guys in a truck. shooting at the officers and they would not shoot back at all. showing the discrimination between the two, and then we found out there were some cases where they had the ku klux klan people getting on the police force. line for lawe enforcement this is randy, dublin, georgia. i don't think this study

will accomplish anything. we already know that a certain amount of racism exist. constitution or text the rights we are required to have. i think it of people would stop trying to fight battles in the ,treets and go into court more that would indicate our own communities. let me get off the line. host: before we go on, are you in law enforcement currently? caller: yes, i am. i'm a state police officer. host: what do you think of this effort by the justice department specifically taking a look at the relations that exist? caller: i think it is a waste of time. you can't look at law enforcement as if it is alive by its health. you have individuals in law

enforcement. myself, i am african american. one idea with people in the community, one of the things that i have, the prejudge , itghts i have about people is based on individuals. to me it is one of the most segregated things in america. black people go to black churches, white people but white churches, it is our culture and society. it is not necessarily a bad thing, in the white days you had a lot of white brothers and sisters who risked their lives for equality. each person is brought up and is dachshund is something different. host: would you say that law enforcement to do something better when it comes to these relations?

and if so, what are those things? caller: the things that they learned that they might already know, you may have individual to go out and enforce those things. if they are brought up a certain way, they will still do things based on how they feel about people. do you receive any specific training on these kinds of issues? maybe they will start requiring training. i think it is just the way to appease people. you have certain incidents where things happen. it happens in small percentages on they violate people's rights.

host: jimmy, independent line, greensboro, go ahead. agree moreouldn't with the previous caller. just listen to what he is saying and how he is saying it. who knows, it may help some communities are struggling with this issue. communities, like mine, have been struggling with this issue for years. i mean, decades. it,thing good may come from but overall not much. not just in law enforcement, but is just part of human nature, really.

just like the previous caller said. host: kentucky, republican line. i am not sure that they would gather the data correctly to identify if they would make a about what is going on. the main thing i want to say is we have been hearing things quickly. my children are italian. american.g fathers but my children are partly italian. it worries me, there used to be discrimination against italians,

irish, going back to history. it worries me the prejudice would still remain. my comment that i want to make is i am just worried about them the guns quick to use and too quick to shoot people. that is my main concern. taking a look at uniformed secret security officers after these attempted reaches, one of them took place on friday, one of them took ice on saturday. "the washington post" talk about about what happened in the instance of the breach. it has become a too frequent part of the job for the secret service --

pamela, from oregon, we are talking about this newly launched study from the justice department. pamela, go ahead.

hi.er: i don't know how much good it would do, racism has been going on forever. this president is going to do something about different investigations like this. it is unbelievable what is going on. i hope that something good comes out of this. i am not hopeful for it, but i hope that something good might come out of it. host: ohio, good morning. samantha. formally married -- formerly married to a police officer. i don't think that this race relation board on law enforcement is going to do any good.

a ku klux klan member was there. the standardhat should be testing on the , maybe somewledge personality profiles. their knowledge of alternative , of stopping a person, a suspect, i had an officer file a nothing., i could do she was a woman. he is a private operator. that is discrimination. how informed her of officers about our laws? not just local laws, but state

and federal laws. in the politics section of "the washington post," it says that they rally around mr. boehner. saying that john boehner was weakened by the shutdown and might be -- might have a clock ticking on his speakership. host: joy is up next, republican line, asheville, north carolina. is not a one-way

street, it works both ways. assume thatlks blacks are prejudiced, sometime that whites are prejudiced. he's a good man and a smart man. between segregation and going to , a differentrse one picked up the blacks. going to school with that. he said not to forget. we all have the same organs to operate on the inside. host: carol ads on twitter --

host: taking a look at cities thess the united states, focus of programming on our american history and booktv channels is weekend. some of the literary stars of the city, this week you will see a look at historic fort schelling, looking at the interaction between the native americans and settlers in the area. [video clip] ♪

>> this fort really is the first foothold in this region for united states expansion. in the early 1800s you begin to have this idea spreading across the country of the manifest destiny in a state that that spread from sea to shining sea. it is the god-given right to spread across north america. of course, that's problematic as there were other people that live here first. in this part of the nation it was primarily the dakota and the edge of way. nothing was the same after this, relations between them and the united states government began to change. --host: if you want

to find out more, catch our american history programming on 2:00. department announcing a three-year study taking a look at issues with in law enforcement. dawn, thanks for holding on, good morning. are you speaking to don? host: yes, that's you, correct? caller: every time i call in and start talking about the bible, you hang in dashing on my face. this racism thing started way back in the ankeny egyptian days. when they persecuted the jews, the black jews, the only jews in the world today, the black jews, the white people know that and they try to oppress us and they have since then. when thee be racist

white man came and took everything from us, took everything over to us. host: as far as the study from the justice department? with the white folks in power, it's not going to work, everything is geared to make them stronger. rick, good morning. on the the last person phone, until we get away from stuffr-profit prisons and , it's going to be like it is. it's nothing but a money thing. the issues of the drug war, the system raising money, on the for-profit jails. jason, las vegas, nevada.

caller: thanks for having me on. i disagree with some of the dominance as far as what the study is going to do. people saying that it is not going to help. i would disagree, i believe it signifies a policy change. these people are saying, to stay in context, that the policy has been geared towards racism. it is an obvious fact that racism is omnipresent within the world. you have black, white, classes throughout the nations. i think it is a policy change that is a good thing and positive. it has been embedded since the colonization of america. , these are all policy things that signify a

policy shift. all that you have to do is pick up an almanac. hispanics, blacks, african-americans, it is far , a war against drugs. they get arrested more. the african-americans and hispanic get incarcerated more. host: alice is up next. go ahead. caller: i would like to start at the top. i would like to see an investigation within the dag itself to make sure that there is no racial bias there. -- dod itself to make sure there

is no racial bias there. the country is divided, but in order to heal what is happening we need to be sure that our own doj is not biased in the other acts they are investigating. one more call on this topic and then we will hear from robert. -- caller: to the lady who just spoke on the years of division in this country, we cannot change a person's mind. what is embedded in them, we the dues of the mentality. line wee along the might see the studies.

we can do all the studies we wanted to do. it is there, we know what the problem is, but we always see them acting on the problem. we have time for one more call. texas, good morning. caller: how you doing? what i believe is that -- host: hello, good morning? go ahead. don't listen to the television, just go ahead and make your statement. caller: not a problem. i believe the study is thoughtful, but you won't be able to listen. helpful, but it is not really going to change a person's minds. a lot of people have built up into the racism. a lot of people decided to go enforcement, but i

think a lot of people have gotten the terminology mixed up. people have been more or less jealous of ethnic groups. we move on to our next topic, taking a look at isis specifically and the nations that have signed on to the fight. thomas lippman will give us an assessment of that. and then from bloomberg news really are more about the affordable care act. but first let's give you a look at what is on the sunday shows this morning that we air on c-span radio without commercials, by the way. we have that rundown. >> good morning. the main issue is fighting the islamic state on all of the talk

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create a five to seven minute documentary on the theme the three branches and you, showing how policy, law, or action from the federal or legislative branches of the government have affected your community. prizes total $100,000. for a list of rules and how to get started, go to student cam.org. >> "washington journal" continues. host: our first guest of the morning is thomas lippman from the middle east institute. think you for being on. my pleasure to be here. host: tell me about the president strategy to create a coalition of arab nations. i don't know if it is a good strategy, but no one else seems to have much of a better idea.

but they seem to have enough in differentey can bring assets to the table to combat this group. offher that means cutting financial support, logistics, or whatever, some of them aren't going to come out and say what they are doing, but the idea is that we are not simply going to margin there with half of a million troops like with desert storm and defeat these people. they would just go underground. countries are involved to various degrees of commitment. it includes a rack to the extent that iraq is functioning. it is the failure of the armed forces in the first lace. saudi arabia, united arab emirates, egypt, and a few other countries.

the lead editorial from ," itnew york times highlights the problems in these countries that could change the effectiveness of the effort itself. if the problems exist, one of the problems that may be concern you? guest: take the two members, saudi arabia and qatar. they participant -- participated in the meeting where they all agreed to take part in the coalition meeting, but they had very different views of the situation on the ground in syria and iraq. they had been at odds with each other for quite some time. has been trying to do business with the muslim brotherhood, for example, and the saudi's regard them as a terrorist organization. extent are they able to

come to a joint understanding, that is just one example. what does the united states need to do to keep this together? the first president bush described the campaign like this is a coalition of the willing, right? are other things to collect, like the coalition of have no other choice. to do is holded everyone's feet to the fire and facilitate the kind of conversations that they need to have and the actions that they need to take while fending off the conversations they don't need to have right now that don't involve this. they can have those on the margins, but to sort of develop from peopletion that accept leadership and figure out some coordinated program.

what is the definition of success in this campaign? kill all 20 or 30 isis operatives? what are we going to do with them? john kerry said that they wanted them to be driven from their land. at the end of this episode is the hardest art. whose job is that? not mine. [laughter] it may be the job of the secretary of state. it may be general lloyd austin's job. he is the commander of u.s. central command and responsible for all of the operations in the mediterranean. job,y be general dempsey's who may or may not be on the same page as the president or

secretary of state on this. these same divisions exist within the other countries. you know, it's like the old joke. else toy wants somebody go in there and really get tough. our guest is here to tell us about the coalition of arab states involved in the fight against isis. here are the numbers to call in -- host: you can also send us the and e-mails, that kind of thing. should seriously involved? should we be associating with syria in the involvement? about, what, 35

minutes, i guess? we could fill two hours on that topic and not come to useful conclusion. i was watching an interview that the syrian deputy foreign minister gave last week and he could barely keep the satisfaction off his face as he talked about this position that we americans find ourselves in. this started out with the determination by the president the president assad had to go. at that regime had forfeited all legitimacy. now of course it really seems difficult to avoid the fact that if you campaign against isis, you are doing the work of the syrian military. the president has said that we are not going to become the syrian air force. and so far the airstrikes we are doing in a rack in syria, because we favor the iraqi government and not the syrian

government, but for the bad guys that basically means rhyming your jeep across the water. this is a really difficult situation and since nobody is fooled, everybody understands this, it is a very difficult one. furthermore, the original target, our strategy or our plan the originalain syrian rebels, we want the government to be their target. now they've got a new target. this inevitably lessens the pressure on the assad government. i don't see any way out of that tangle. host: our first call for you comes from barbara in connecticut. caller: let me get this out, i have been waiting a long time to say this and it is organized in my mind. i have been watching all of the pbs roosevelt series. i taped it all, this is my

point. when this isis problem started, the reason i'm upset is because i am african american and i find a huge bias in our country. so let me get this out. when he listened to what was going on, everybody said -- oh, he's stupid, right? he doesn't know what he's doing, he's a community organizer. but now bring it back to roosevelt. when he heard about the pearl harbor bombing, he listened, he didn't open his mouth, and then he quietly went away. what they did with him was said -- he went to shangri-la, now camp david, he didn't come out. he got the chance to think it through. let's go back now to president obama. oh, come on, let's go. what's the answer to this isis thing? he's chopping of everyone's heads, what are you going to do?

what are you going to do? he saidck to roosevelt, almost the exact same words. he said i don't know what to do, this is the biggest mess. i certainly sympathize with the idea that it is a difficult problem. and i am sympathetic to the idea that president obama was right not to shoot from the hip on this, or frankly on any other matter of life, death, war, and peace. but i don't endorse the analogy to pearl harbor. was an unequivocal situation. we were attacked by a direct foreign power, a military attack on our navy. there is no such situation here. so far, except for the murder of the journalists, which we saw on the videos, there has not been any harm inflicted on the united states.

it's a very different situation. i do agree, however, that we have seen the sort of culmination of the soundbite era of political commentary and journalism here. some of the same people in congress who were demanding that we get out of a rack or then demanding that we send the troops back in. host: chicago is up next. democratic line, keith. i think that one thing has become increasingly clear and there is no way around it. killing was a bad idea. we should have continued containing him. strongmen, sometimes brutal strongman, are necessities in the middle east. countries.those well, britain and france did 100 years ago. newt: this opens up a whole

and longer discussion about strawmen in the middle east. i think it is now pretty generally accepted by almost everybody except dick cheney that the negative consequences of our invasion of the negative consequences of our invasion of iraq and bringing made a terrible mess. which we are now dealing with. the idea that the countries in the middle east require tough strongmen to be stable is one that finds some support in modern experience, but we cannot put ourselves in a position to endorse that. this is what the egyptian people rid ofen they got mubarak in 2011. unlike iraq, egypt is not a country that was created by

after worlditain war i. they have been a self-contained country and identical cultural -- identifiable culture for 6000 years. host: tom, republican line. c-span -- thank you for c-span. isis, ittion with needs to pay 100% error of -- needs to be a 100% arab boots on the ground effort.

it is said to me that the weapons that we sent over there are the ones being used, and now again,e to fight with people having weapons that we gave them. it is a mess. we should never have gone to iraq, and we should not have left when we did. i am sympathetic to the , in principle, that the opponents here are arabs, and that arab should do the fighting. but i think it is not realistic. first of all, we saw what happened when the iraqis had to do the fighting against isis. they ran away. rally, they have not yet established that the iraqi army is an effective

fighting force, coming together across ethnic lines to fight on behalf of the new government. we do not even have a new defense minister yet in iraq. countries,other arab do not overestimate their military give abilities. the united arab emirates have quite a competent air force, but they are a small country. , every military analyst i've ever talked to here and in saudi arabia, says the saudi military forces have no projection capability. -- topurpose is defend defend the monarchy, there is no expeditionary force. no experiencest at fighting campaigns like that outside the country. egyptians were part of the coalition that fought in desert storm, but that was a long time

and many dictators ago. and how much egypt now, after , itown internal struggles has the manpower, but doesn't have the legit to go capabilities and the desire -- logisticalt have the capabilities and the desire? not think the arabs have the military organizational capabilities to do this. host: what about the kurds within iraq? they are a very interesting group. i'm not been to goethe stand in a very long time. i did hear from senior officials from the kurdish government when they were here in a few months ago. they are in an interesting position. they say isis is by its nature an aggressive force. one thing consolidate control of what they have, they're going to go after what's next and that is the kurds.

the kurds are also sunni muslims. aboutt sense, this is not religion, this is about power. the kurds have demonstrated the will to fight, the ability to fight, if they have the have the, and if they organization ability to fight on this scale. the complication with that is that a lot of people do not want to encourage the kurds to think of themselves as a separate country because that might result in an independence movement which would cross the ine into turkey and to iran where there is a substantial kurdish minority with a lot of grievances. so that goes back to what you asked in the beginning, what do people want out of this, and the conflicting emotions. host: republican line.

caller: thank you. , is to to solve this stop the flow of money to them. from,re they get money they have to have it for what they do. we have to stop that. toatever we have to do stop the flow of money, that is the way to stop them. guest: i think everyone agrees with that. and considerable efforts are , but there is also a great deal of difficulty. take the position of the government of qatar for example who we know did support the syrian rebels, and some have supported giving -- suspected giving support to isis.

americans believe that he government of qatar does not provide direct financial support to isis and its allies. but that is not the same as individual qatari citizens who have a lot of money are not doing that for reasons of religious ideology or whatever it might be. the factories can control their own banks, and that is also applicable to saudi arabia and the uae. those are banks in london, singapore, and so it may be -- it is very difficult. peopleway, a lot of trouble with suitcases full of cash. usually american dollars. furthermore, the side from the isis now has that,

oil revenue. i just read yesterday that they are capable of producing about 100,000 barrels of oil a day, and given the discounts they would have to take -- but say they get $50 a barrel, times stop00 a day, one way to that revenue is to cut off their ,ccess to exporting the oil most of which goes to result in turkey. and that brings us to the anomalous role that the turks play in this entire picture. yesterday, the turks did not want anything to the campaignwith against isis because isis was holding 49 turkish hostages, including turkish diplomats and women and children. without any warning that we had here as far as i can

tell, those hostages were released and sent back to turkey. how did that happen? rescue.s no military and the turks say they did not pay the ransom. ets assume that's true. presumably that will of rights turkey -- that liberates turkey to take a much more rigorous part in the campaign. but if you believe that isis just turned those people lose because they were tired of feeding them, or because they were sorry for them, did he were reading something different than i am reading. there is something going on with the turks. and the president has a complicated agenda. host: from pennsylvania, roger. caller: you already answered my question, but i will add one little question to it.

in twice andled recommended a middle east treaty organization including israel, those being, and the boots on the ground. it was rejected. i am assuming it will be rejected again. that is not her immediate problem. i think we are technically at war with russia because of the cyberattacks with the home depot , and they are opposed to our tactics in syria. host: russian influence? -- i'm verymust disappointed in russia. i had some time in there after the fall of the soviet union. i saw a country that ought to be a vigorous, forceful, successful, creative, and cooperative member of what we call the international community such as it is. way is not the

they are behaving. what i do not think we want to put them in a directly adversarial position. as far as i can tell, the russians are not making any efforts to obstruct the formation of effective coalition against isis, why would they? they have their own islamic terrorist problem in chechnya. and throughout the caucuses. they are very sensitive to the rise of islamic extremism. the question of ukraine is a whole separate complicated matter. host: what about iran? should they be involved? i think that a lot of people are having a lot of conversations that we will not find out about until the documents are day cause it --

documents are declassified in 25 years. look at the agenda with the wrong we are in the final stages, the last four weeks with the drive to get a nuclear deal with iran. that has been at the top of our agenda. the saudi said that they would not participate in the meeting, the anti-isis meeting that was organized if the arabians were the iranians were invited to be a part of the coalition. there were other reasons to think that saudi arabia and iran enter a able to less adversarial relationship especially if we complete a nuclear deal and convince the saudi's that it is in their interests, which i believe it is. they have several interest here. kurds, theof the nuclear deal, and getting sanctions lifted, and sorting

out their relationship with the government in saudi arabia, as well as of course there is an r struggle in a wrong in which we do not know which side will prevail. we have our own hard-liners there. thanks for having me on. that both disturbed the senate and the house voted to fund the so-called syrian rebels. the so-called syrian rebels have openly stated that their goal is to overthrow assad in syria. that wetory we know enlisted stalin, who was the lesser of the bigger evil to defeat hitler. reallyt sure that assad

did gas his own people, even though that is the information that is out there. it could've been the syrian rebels that did it to pull us into a war with assad. i really think that we should enlist the help of th assad because he has an established military already. that isforeign country a member country. he was put into power by democratic process, which could be questionable, but that can happen anywhere. i just think we are fighting on the wrong side, and the weapons and training in everything that we give to the so-called syrian rebels will bite us in the rear end. guest: i cannot accept the premise that he was put into power by democratic process. the presidency from his father, who seized it in a military to, and held onto it

through some of the most oppressive methods even the middle east. i dide became president, not believe his regime would survive long because i thought he was insufficiently ruthless. it turns out i was wrong about that, unfortunately. the idea that we would openly to put down isis i think is unacceptable. there is a very distasteful de facto commonality of interest at the moment between us and assad, but i think we have reached a point where through his own actions he has put himself in a position where he cannot be rehabilitated. i do not think we should have any illusions about him. host: how do we go about choosing the one we are going to train? onet: that is a very --

reason people have hung back until now is the difficulty of answering that question. the part of the world where it is never in anybody's interest to tell the truth. and after a wild you become increasingly cynical about everyone and everyone's motives. i'd i would to just let is -- and i would suggest it is the proper approach to bring. host: felix from oklahoma. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. i have a question for you. it seems that israel is very militarily capable, given the light of the recent dealings with the palestinians in gaza. there is no doubt that they are

militarily capable and arms to the gills. s, if theycuriou are one of our most staunch allies, why are they not part of this coalition? guest: that is not a difficult question to answer. the members of the coalition will not stay in the coalition if israel is brought into it. there is no way that the saudi's can be seen lining up actively visibly with israel to fight against sunni muslims. that is not politically realistic. the same could be said about other members of the coalition. furthermore, this is not israel's fight. isfor the idea that israel allied with and supported by the united states and therefore should stand by our side in the wars, they did not send troops to korea. nameddefense forces are the defense forces because that is their assignment.

site,s not israel's at least not yet. host: our guest is talking about some of what these 10 bring to the table in the overall effort of arab states to fight against isis. england.m hastings, caller: and my on air now? have75 years old, and i spoke on your program about five times. my observation in this now is that you talk about isis as a threat to the might of the american people and the british people. it is not so much with isis, it themth congress arming

drones.ohn's. -- we talk about the enemy in the middle east. the first rolled war started with -- world war started with [indiscernible] one side, even by default, attacks the other side, and when will either sign lose face? will be americans act down to the world in front of russia? we have a very dangerous situation. it is far more dangerous globally than the threat of isis, and that is just my comment.

i think the american people should go on their computers and record controversy goes -- ukrainian president's record. you. thank guest: i remember a few years ago when united states for agreed to the biggest deal of arms sales to saudi arabia ever. were those who expressed opposition because they said it is hard to believe that the problems of the middle east are going to be solved by more weaponry. we could make the case that should not be distributing arms to the syrian rebels or anyone else in the middle east because they will be renewed for some bad purpose at some time. but i really think it would be

aware of the to be potential for unpleasant dealings with russia. but i really think that that is a manageable relationship. just yesterday, for example, i was listening to an astronaut who at one time was the captain of the international space station. even as we speak of the international space station, to are ferriedtronauts to buy the russians, are in this bilateral campaign to which we a the russians some ask amount of money. i would like to keep russia out of the discussion. reaction me get your to something that happened yesterday in afghanistan. the people running for

president, and a power-sharing agreement. what do you think about this ultimate decision and what it means for the future of afghanistan? guest: it reminds me of that wonderful line from my fair lady. it is doomed before they even take the valve. -- wvow. permit me to be cynical about afghanistan. you will notice that this power-sharing, the acceptance of this power-sharing agreement from which mr. abdullah had walked away two weeks ago proceeds the final election results. what was the point of the election if these two gentlemen are going to divide power in afghanistan? i just do not see any way, given the ethnic divisions and the and theand afghanistan,

rivalry between these teamwo individuals. i am not optimistic. line, marie.t caller: thank you for this discussion. it is a much-needed discussion. i have a question. want -- i have a hard time understanding how the best , who ito take down assad , but thed is a bad guy guy we would install would be

his longest -- islamist in government. you can just tell me, i would appreciate how it is in our best interest for assad to be taken down? thank you for this discussion. is an excellent question. it is funny that you should ask because it is probably two or three years now since we all sort of accepted the idea that assad has to go. thegiven our history, tory of notes' his only tolerance of what cooperation with some of the most notorious dictators in the middle east, why did we get ourselves in the position where assad had to go, but others don't?

reconstruct that whole history now, i do not know if we even remember it. but this might be a good time to rethink that question. i cannot imagine that anyone now is going to stand up and say that was a bad idea, i wish we had not gone through that divorce, let's get remarried. that would be politically untenable. how we got to that position and whether or not it was in our best interest, particularly given the question about the secular state versus the religious propensities of the rebels. that is a very good question, and i hope that the caller will ask that of every candidate for her vote this year. p.m. atmorrow at 5:30 the center for strategic forumational studies a

taking a look at isis and terrorist groups with a panel about things similar to what we're talking about this morning. rick from new jersey on our independent line. go ahead. caller: good morning. i just have one question. isis and al qaeda are basically their own people. who is behind isis and who is behind al qaeda? by who is behind, if you are suggesting the existence of what is known as the hidden hand i do not have answer to that question. i think with isis what you see is what you get. the origins of al qaeda are itse well known, as was

original motivation which was to bring down the monarchy in saudi arabia. is one that began as a regional patchwork of organizations that found it important or useful to be affiliated with al qaeda. is al qaeda in the peninsula, and in north africa. we are taken in as cooperative partners in the network. -- that they are taken in as cooperative partners in the network. it is interesting to go back at an open letter. one of the most prominent , anti-american andchers in saudi arabia,

wins the don was alive he wrote him a letter that said how how is it beneficial to us all to kill all these muslims? a question that only the muslims can answer for themselves. i do not what you do carry in your mind any question that there is some outside force behind these groups. the cia, the british colonialist , they all have their own origins and are self-sustaining. host: frank from orlando. caller: good morning. thank you. government is, the seems to think we are all stupid. we have the internet and we can find things that they do not tell us. for instance, this boots on the ground thing. there is no mention anywhere

that the new prime minister came out and made his statement that there would be no foreign troops putting boots on his ground. america would send the equipment, and the helicopters that they have already paid for, and that has been a topic that has been up in in the state briefings for about a month now. have as coalition, you -- that mane -- ar is one of the most little dictators in the world, but we let him go because we have a navy base there. edison for critical.

hypocritical. guest: the caller is correct with our relationship to bahra in. most violent uprisings in the arab spring was the uprising against the arraignment regime. against anslims rose oppressive and autocratic regime of sunni muslims, the monarch, .nd his family by every's entered of human rights and human justice we should have given some electoral or spiritual support to the rebels in bahrain who had a legitimate cause. uncomfortable an

was issued because the headquarters of one of our fleets was in bahrain. position the honorable of being formally declared a major non-nato ally of the united states. the others in that group are a, japan, and israel. we are in a situation here where quite a few people are going to say things for public consumption that are not the same as what actually happens. host: last call, massachusetts . caller: good morning. say anyone watching,

and anyone listening out there, would have to agree that mr. litman has just given -- mr. lippman has just given us 45 minutes to why we should not be over there. first of all he says they do not have the army to do the job now, all of these individual countries. we'll then how will they sustain it when we leave? it is a big mess. we don't have the numbers in our military to do this. you cannot be asking these same men to go back over and over and over again, to suffer the consequences of harry bad decisions -- very bad decisions. and i'm so grateful we have the president we have because otherwise we would be losing men left and right. iso not know who mr. lippman

a spokesman for, but he has done just the opposite of what his intention was on this program. he has led me and i hope everyone listening to believe we do not belong on there. mr. lippman? guest: i do not represent anyone but myself. i just have the advantage or disadvantage of being t associated with the middle east for 40 years. as for her belief about what is going to happen afterwards, you can never go wrong predicting that there will be a mess in the middle east. that is always a good guess. and i think she is attacking a straw man.

isdly any responsible person digesting that we go over there and fight this war. there is no political appetite for it. the armed forces do not want to do it, and it may not be doable. i do not think she is to worry about that. host: you do not think it will come to americans taking a direct fighting role in this? guest: i don't think so. have, nightsould ot since 1968 have we seen a political situation like that in this country. joining us, lippman thank you. forng up, the center disease control says that the number of people without health care dropped about 2% directly due to the affordable care act. to talk about that and more is alex wayne of bloomberg news.

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programs you are watching. join the c-span conversation, like us on facebook, follow us on twitter. washington journal continues. host: joining us now is alex wayne who covers health holocene issues for bloomberg news -- policy issues for bloomberg news. people with health up directly related to the affordable care act. guest: it started expanding coverage by selling policies through these government run exchanges. oo it looks like those tw

expansions are taking a bite out of the uninsured population, which is the main game of the law. the wholereally know large number. i think it equates to several million. i know one figure is there are 3.7 million people enrolled in affordable care act private the first three months of the year. now remember a lot of that private expansion did not really happen until late march. the administration size surge of enrollment at the end of march into the beginning of april. that was not covered under the city cease who rape -- cdc survey. a certain number of an age bracket had to sign up to come stay for everyone else. how did that work out? guest: more young people have

coverage. that is good in terms of the dynamics of the health care law. insurers have been pleased with how their health care is breaking down in terms of age. it is in line with their expectations. they expected a little bit of an older population, and they are getting that, but it is not so out of luck that the premiums are going crazy. 7.3 million signed up for health insurance. holdershose new policy held to pay the first month premium. guest: it is numbers that are not directly comparable. us that 8y told allion people had selected health insurance plan under the verbal care act. that does not mean that all of those people actually paid for their coverage. the administration for months has declined to give anybody a r those who actually

affected coverage. they told us in august the there were 7.3 million people that were actually paying for their coverage under the affordable care act. it does suggest that there was some road erosion. ask: if you want to questions about the affordable act, the numbers are on your screen. tell us more about the final number that they released. tell us how they got those numbers, because it was always a question of how you get us to that. back in may, when they released the last report on enrollment during the so-called that 8rollment time, million was generated by people going onto healthcare.gov, or

state websites and clicking i'm going to buy a blue cross blue shield plan. when that happened they counted you enrolled whether you sent any money to the insurance company or not. after that was over, they got howrts from the insurers on many people they had on their roles, and how many had submitted their first premium payment which is the final step. they tell us that those reports were kind of dicey for the first several months of the year as the insurers sorted out who was on the plans and who was not. the backend part of the enrollment system still is not completely built, so the government still has trouble communicating data back and forth with the insurers. so it is a lot of a manual will build an excel sheet, and they will send it to the ministration, and then government takes those

reports and puts together how many people are actually enrolled. able tod they were not tell us a number that they were comfortable with until last week , and then they give us this number for august but they still have not given us numbers for , so there, may, april is no way to tell over time how enrollment has changed this year. host: these are numbers strictly from the federally set up website? guest: it is enrollment across the country. host: experience. people can sign up for a silver plan, a platinum plan, what has the experience like? guest: silver plans have in the -- has been the most popular because they have lower out-of-pocket deductibles and spending.

polls of consumer sentiment have shown that people are relatively happy with the coverage so far. there have been some complaints about the so-called narrow network plans. and anf insurers, attempt to control cost a limitednetworks of number of doctors and hospitals that the new customers could go see. people are sometimes running into problems where they go to a doctor they thought was in their network and they are not, or the go to a hospital, and it is not. , what are they paying, and what do they expect to pay? guest: and little bit of good news, that premiums are going up next year for most parts of the country, but not everywhere and not every plan. the lowest-cost plans on the exchanges are now raising their premiums a little bit. but the plans that were expensive last year, and did not

get much membership are cutting their prices. they are moving toward the middle, and what is happening we think his competition which was the idea behind this whole structure. host: as far as subsidies that will people who get plans through the affordable care act always get subsidy, or does that run out eventually? guest: they never expire unless congress decides otherwise. what could happen is that if you make too much money -- or your fortune of -- or should not enough to make more money in the future you will become an eligible. theirple want to review coverage or sign up in november, you relation shop around. he waited with them is designed -- the way the system is designed is that it is pegged to a certain premium level on each

data exchange. it is the second lowest-cost silver plan. year that plan can change. some say blue cross is the second lowest cost this year. united health might come in next year and offer a lower price. costw the second lowest plan is somebody else. that could affect your subsidy, and what you're paying. even though your plan produces premium, youit's might have to pay more out-of-pocket because you do not get as much of a subsidy. people onto shop around every year. feel free to call in with your questions and comments. we will be here to talk about that. the first call is ma margaret

from florida. caller: hello. is i make just over $44,000 a year. i am on blue cross blue shield in florida. that i buy on the open market have gone up $1000 next year. i think i am in a group of people that we have seen our premiums drastically increase and we get no tax advantage the way people who work for the company do. what is going to happen to us? are we just going to be harmed by these huge premium increases? guest: for starters, story about that -- sorry about that. there is a population of people the country who are losers under this law. they are folks who are in pretty good health and are able to buy

insurance on the individual market before the affordable care act, at a pretty good rate. had to cover, it everybody whether they are sick or not. that had to raise premiums across the country for everybody who is not eligible for a subsidy. i guess my advice would be to shop around pretty aggressively. florida has a pretty good exchange. insurerssuspicion by -- participation by insurers. and they have some of the lowest they arethe country, pretty good premiums if i remember right. definitely go on the exchange and shop around, and talk to an insurance broker. they of been helpful with insurance in general. and enrollment.

if you're not getting a subsidy, there is no reason that you have to buy a plan on the exchange. there are plans that are sold off the exchange that may cost less, although they are generally in line with what you get on the government marketplace. host: democrat line, hello. caller: good morning. britain originally and i have been in the united states with 50 years. communicate with my family all the time, and they cannot believe the commotion over the health system here. father and his children got away with almost no fees out there 50 years ago. itsnot call england and asked words -- it's experts?

paid for by the state. everybody is happy with their system.tem -- health put the kibosh on the system you are trying to set appear which is a farce. we are picked up by the bbc on sundays. guest: the united kingdom had an that revolved around whether or not selling enough of a control over their help system. it is a controversy everywhere in the world apparently. it we are never going to have something like the national health service in the united states. it is not what happened with our political system. there are places in the united states they're attempting things

like that. vermont was to go to a single-payer system, were government would be pay everybody's medical bills. if they succeed in doing that, they will put insurance companies out of business in the state of vermont. they have a lot of obstacles to do that, even in a very liberal state like for month, where it would be possible to do that. host: republican line. caller: i appreciate c-span bringing health care to the top again. insurance rocher. i can tell you first of all, regarding the statement about , they went ahead and did this bridge for carriers. for kerry's 20%

will lose money on the health care law -- carriers that will lose money on the health care law. insurancellowed the carriers to say why not just lower our rates to get a bigger market share, because we have fhe government backing us i we lose. i have watched this health-care rollout. 25-year-old guys have walked into my office and they by $6,000 deductible. they have no reason to buy it when they have no money. buyingink they're insurance because they can buy it for $75 a month. my last comment is that i have watched good health insurance in illinois, people be told they cannot keep their plans. next year you're going to hear screams to the highest heaven because employers are to change to the

group insurance lands that are priced 35% higher than what they are paying. you're going to see a max accidents -- mass accidents of the under 50 group go. they will not be able to afford it. they say they will let the government-subsidized your plan. some good points. there is a series of federal programs that are called reinsurance risk adjustment and risk corridors. they do provide a backstop for insurance companies for at least the first three years of this law. one of these programs has essentially unlimited funding. if they do price their premiums too low, there is this kind of safety net where they will get the money back from the government. they will not get it all, but they will take not the loss that they would without that safety

net. small businesses face a dilemma in the next few months to pending on the state they are in. last year president obama found himself in a bit of a political bind when people's plans were being canceled around the country. he issued this ad hoc policy that allowed them to stay on , for at least a year or longer than that. i do not know the exact situation in illinois. let's say the governor allows them to stay on their plans. that policy will eventually run out and else will have to which to affordable care act plans. small businesses, if they want to offer health coverage, they affordable care act compliant plans and that could mean premium increases for lots of folks.

from twitter, has the cost of health care dogone down? guest: that is a really good question and something that folks like me are still trying to go to the bottom of. what we know is that health care spending has been unusually low. that corresponds with the timeframe of the affordable care act. we cannot tell how much of that had to do with the affordable care act and how much of it had to do with simply the recovery from the recession. a lot of the slower growth of health care spending, i should not say that health care spending is low it is just the growth from year to year. a lot of this has to do with a substantial change in health care in this country. fewer people are going to hospitals, and when they do go they are not staying there as long as they used to.

called utilization, it has been unusually low for the last four years. it could be that more people are receiving outpatient care. ,ou can have it done in a day and then you leave instead of being admitted. ont has had sizable effects health care spending in this country. we cannot parse out how much that has slowed down health care spending versus the affordable care act versus lingering effects of the recession. host: democrats line. caller: good morning. a poll, it is about says that 50% have a verbal view favorable view-- and 50% don't. guest: here is the situation.

northern states have largely expanded their medicaid programs , the health care program for low income people. qualify in new york sf you make as much a 130% of the poverty level. medicaid,alify for where is in a state like georgia or alabama, you do not because those states have declined to extend their medicaid programs. there are many low income people in the south who are not eligible for medicaid, and they -- getnnot subsidies subsidies on the health care and she just because you have to make a certain amount of income to qualify for a subsidy.

hase is this gap that emerged in states in the south largely, between people who are poor enough to be on medicaid, but do not make enough money to get subsidies on the health care change. if you want to call that suffering, i suppose you can. is inll you mentioned line with all of the other polls. the country is very divided. generally people said they oppose the laws rather than pay for it. much.s not changed do not believe we have gone far enough. we should have gone to a single-payer system like the caller earlier who believes we should have the british system. host: will this factor into the november elections? guest: mildly. without it we be -- we thought it would be a huge issue for

those who voted for it. but it turns out that enrollment was ready strong in both arkansas, who really embraced it enrollment, and north carolina which is fair upublican, but people signed in large numbers and they did quite well and how they did the theythat themselves -- and did quite well in how they did that enrollment themselves. alex wayne ast is bloomberg news. he covers health policy for that organization. we hear from new jersey on our independent line. have two questions. how many people previously had

health insurance? and how many have gone on medicaid? guest: the second one is easier to start with. the government tells us that about 7 million people has been added to medicaid this year thus far. that is including the medicaid expansion in 26 states.

this this. >> i have a very simple question for mr. wayne. as the 10.3 million that has it now. how many receive subsidies? >> i wish i had an answer.

the government hasn't told us that. here is what i can tell you. in may when the government said 8 million people had signed up, remember, these are two different data sources so they are not directly comparable, 8000007.3 million. in may, what we had 8 million people who had signed up for plans close to night % were receiving a subsidy. >> when it come to there was a story that came out about immigrants being dropped from the affordable care act. >> right. >> what's the story? >> so after enrollment concluded, the governments went through the records that people had submitted and sort of picked out about a million people who it wasn't clear whether they were actually legal residents of the united states and so they contacted all of those people directly and said, you need to provide similar documentation to prove you legally reside in the united states and you are eligible to purchase a plan on

these health insurance exchanges. they gave them a september 5th deadline to do that 115,000 people never responded and provided any information on their legal residence. so they will be dropped from their plan. >> what about issues with fraud? have we seen that with the website? >> there has been concern about the security, there were questions about how adequately the site was tested securitywise. it never underwent an end to end task where they tried to poke holes before it went live.

no identifiable breaches. one successful breach in july that cracked a server connected to healthcare.gov. but the hacker didn't get any information. tom on our connecticut line. caller: thank you and your guests for bringing this issue up because it's very important. first, honestly, if i could, repeal this law, i would do it in a heart beat if you are

getting insurance from your job, this obama care as a subsidy, they are in your premiums. one is a core c and a traditional reinsurance fee, all fees that are built into employer plans. and i would like to know really how many people are being subsidized and to how much and our government is not being transparent on that. i want to no more about the cory. a shadowy organization and there is a lot of money being collected to support this thing, several billion dollars. it's called the patient centered outcomes and institute. an agency created by the

affordable care act that is supposed to conduct research on which medical treatments, drugs or procedures are more effective. in other words to be pitted head to head against each other. they might do studies, for example, that compare drugs. they are forbidding from examining cost effectiveness of drugs or procedures because there was a concern that more expensive procedures and drugs is that drug or this procedure is just as effective or not as

effective as this one and then doctors are supposed to take that information a and good morning. >> guguys, last year, ray, that all. parties started throwing stuff at the democrats because obama won. we all got taxed. is that right for the other party that taxed the other parties for throwing stuff at the other party or not? guest: i guess that's the way this works. this law has been very

controversial and republicans have done everything they could to try to undermine it. and yet it's still standing. what is the question about sustainability? guest: i think safe until 2016 and we have another presidential election and then, i would be a little bit surprised if a republicans were to win the presidency and actually try to repeal the affordable care act by 2016. there should be millions more people en rolled under these programs which means that it's a big constituency of people getting coverage this way. >> does depend upon the obama administrationing making sure enrollment improves from year to year. they are supposed to increase enrollment from, let's call it, 8 million for all intents and purposes here to 13 million.

>> that's not as easy as it sounds. the man data. the requirement that individuals carry insurance, that gets tougher next year and they are hoping that draws a lot of people to buy coverage. but, you know, the enrollment period is shorter. it's three months, november to february. they don't have as much money to market the law and communicate it and get people assistance. so we will see how -- it's an open question whether enrollment goes to what that host: tom, go ahead. caller: thank you for your program. i am a 64-year-old person in the st. louis area. and i chose not to get the obama care this last year because of pricing. it was basically $900 a month and by the time you tack my wife on, it's well over a thousand dollars a month. i did buy it for my wife. she bought it.

and i just decided i would take my chances. i feel like i am stuck in a hole. i'm scared. host: host. host: yeah. caller: i don't trust the government in the first place anything they tell us. i see the actions of the government. i see what they say and i feeltha they are exactly the opposite in many cases. what are my alternatives? and i am scared. guest: yeah. well, when you turn 65, you will be eligible for medicare. the program for elderly americans. i apologize for calling you elderly. medicare is pretty low-cost. it's very heavily subsidized by taxpayers, as you probably know. so you will get a pretty good deal there. but for now, your options are really not great if you make too much money for a subsidy on the

insurance exchanges. plans, private plans, you know, if it costs you $900 in the exchange when you shop, you are not going to find a plan that costs much less than that outside the exchange. 900 does sound pretty high. you might -- i don't know what sorts of plans you were looking at. there are different tiers as we discussed on this show. you could shop for maybe a bronze level plan, which is the lowest level of coverage. it does have high deductibles, high out-of-pocket spending but it would cover you in case something very bad happened. and it might not cost $900 a month. >> host: alex wayne with bloomberg news covers health policy. healthcare may be an issue that drives you to the polls in november. it may be other things. the economy, foreign affairs, what-have-you. we are interested in finding out in the final 45 minutes whether your top issue in the mid-term elections about six weeks away

right now, you can tell us who you are going to vote for. we are interested in hearing what issues you are going to vote for. here is how you can call it: maybe it's something else you want to tell us about, you are free to do that. as we go throughout our 45 minutes, we will take a look at not only your top issue but issues that are going on across the kuntz ce he tree e speci specifically with specificrations. we start with arkansas, a race there that will feature the senate and the senate side. tom cotton, mark pryor both campaigning for that. we will look at those when "washington journal" continues. a. >> inciting the islamic state is the main topic on all of the sunday network t.v. talk shows

which we begin replaying at noon. at noon, it is nbc's "meet the press." the host is chuck todd. his guest will be senate foreign relations members ron johnson, a republican from wisconsin, and chris murphy, democrat from connecticut. he will also talk with former chair of the joint chiefs of staff, mike mullin. at 1:00 p.m., you will hear abc's "this week" with host, george stephanopolous. and samantha power, u.s. ambassador to the united nations. at 2:00 p.m. on fox news sunday, host chris wallace will be talking with house intelligence committee members. california democrat adam schiff and new york republican peter king. at 3:00 p.m. eastern, we replace cnn's "state of the union wued with tony blair. and then at 4:00, bob schieffer, host of cbs's "face the nation" will be talking with the chairs of the intelligence committees. california democratic senator

dianne feinstein and a michigan republican congressman, mike rogers. the sunday t.v. talk shows starting at noon eastern on c-span radio. we are at 90.1 f.m. 4 in the washington, d.c. area. nationwide on xm satellite radio channel 120 and online at c-span.org. you can also listen with free apps for your iphone, android and blackberrry. monday night on the communicators, wade baker, chief technology officer and security director for verizon on the recent data breaches at home depot, target and j.p. morgan chase. >> it's true in all of the above. we have worked with law enforcement agencies who have busted down doors and dragged people out of their basements literally. we have also participated in the arrest of multiple individuals that are very highly connected

together, very well organized. they each have individual specialties and roles. someone rights malicious software. the others know how to wash the money and all of these things. just like physical organized crime and then there are others that definitely are working on behalf of the government. they have an. there is pictures of it they goo to that building. >> that's their job, to hack in the companies and steal information on behalf of the government. i have seen photos of some eastern european towns, for instance, that were just an insane number of people who drive lamborghinis and things like that and a lot of that is the spam, the fake pharmaceuticals, the financial fraud and just tax fraud, medicare fraud and all of these things. it's sta staggering amounts of y that are at some point along that chain traced back to data

that was spoenl, stored at a corporation or government. >> monday night at 8 eastern on "the communicators" on cspan-2. washingt "washington journal" continues. >> again, for our last 45 minutes, your top issue as you head into the november elections and if you want to give us a call and talk to us about that, 202-585-380 for democrats: c-span is the place to go when it finds out about the issues, not only the issues but the actual races, themselves, refer you to our website, cspan.org/series/campaign2014. our storehouse so to speak of information for you. during our 45 minutes, we will not only hear from you. we will also hear about races from across the country, and we will start today in arkansas, joining us on the phone to kind of give us a sense of not only

what's going on in the senate side but on the gubernatorial issues is and drew dimillo, at the little rock capitol correspondent. hello. guest: thank you for having me. 40e69. host: give us a sense of what's going on arkansas when it comes to the senate. who are the players? where does it stand right now? >> right now, in the senate race, still, you know, very tight, very intense race here between democratic senator mark pryor a 2-term incumbent running against a freshnan congressman tom cotton. this is one of the key races for republicans who are trying to win a market in the senate and it's really been, you know, the most intense race arkansas has seen and certainly the most expensive. this is basically a race where we are seeing, you know, millions of dollars being spent on advertising basically just

blanketing the airwaves here it's been incredibly intense. >> where does polling stand as far as the two candidates are concerned? >> it goes back and forth but, you know, basically the common theme of the polling is just that still it is pretty tight. a pretty tight race republicans believe they have an advantage but pryor is the incum-ben. we are seeing it's a tight race. host: our previous guest talked about arkansas, about defenses of affordable kay and mr mr. pryor's support of it. has that been an issue in this race or are there other issues mr. pryor has to deal with it? guest: that has been a reku recurring theme. pryor had done an add that was kind of a unique ad where he talked about his own personal health experience, you know, battle with cancer that he had had and used that to talk about the benefits of the affordable

care act and the reason why he voted for it. the interesting thing with the ad is, during the ad, he never mentions -- mention did the affordable care act by name and that was something that republicans were quick to jump on, you know, were with the response that, you know, trying to remind voters that what he is talking about is what they referred to as obama care. >> what has br mr. cotton's strategy in this campaign? >> well, recently, we have seen him focusing a lot more on foreign policy, you know. >> that's an area where republicans think that he has an advantage as, has background, as an army veteran who served in iraq and afghanistan. you know, he recently if criticized pryor over the vote on aiding syrian rebels, you know, referring to pryor as weak and unsteady on national security. and calling him inconsistent. pryor and cotton and the rest of the state's congressional

delegation voted in favor of the president's request to deal with the islamic state. you know, cotton pointed out pryor earlier this summer had had opposed aiding syrian rebels. you know, prior's response has been that the difference this time was that there were oversight and accountability measures that they said weren't there earlier this summer. host: before we let you go, mr. demillo, a quick snapshot of the gubernatorial race and who is involved and where this stands. guest: an open seat, two former congressman, mike ross and republican hutchinson and, you know, it's also, you know, very intense race here we actually had our first, you know, televised debate in this race on friday night, and, you know, even though they have been running and been at different appearances and joint forums,

this was really, you know, kind of a testy exchange than what we have seen so far. you know, especially on the issues such as their competing tax cut proposals. both of them going after each other's records in washington and, also, complain being negative ads that have been running in that campaign. host: mr. and drew demillo, the little rock capitol correspondent. mr. demillo. thanks a lot. >> thank you very much. >> a perfect segue between the two gub nat toerm candidates. you can see these as they air, see them on c-span not only live in some cases but also via recordings on our c-span website. to give you a flavor of a little bit of those flash points that mr. demillo talked about friday night. here is office asa hutchenson and democrat mike ross from friday's debate. >> come back to what mr. ross is speaking of, you know, our ads have been positive, and he is talking about an ad from an out of state group that we don't

have any control over. but you played an ad in which mr. ross, himself, stacked my character, and that's what, whenever i look at that happening, i am thinking, does this encourage any 18-year-old to vote? does it encourage to participate in the political process? >> a test. we have an obligation as candidates to make sure that we are encouraging people to say public service is good. we ought to encourage that. i think negative advertising doesn't work that way. so i can't control the senate race. i can't control out-of-state groups. i can control my message and that's what i want to do. mike is right. it's about our vision for what we are going to do for the middle class, our tax cuts, our veterans, what we want to do. so that's what we are going to be talking about. >> wait a minute. asa wants to say poor me. he says he can't control ads being run by the republican governors' association unfairly stacking me when he came out with this ad. my wife is a pharmacist. she spent 14 years going to

morning work, getting up admit midnight. it's america. she sold her business for a profit in america. imagine that. he attacked her for that. and for him to say, oh, that's not me. >> that's the republican governors' association, you know when that ad began wearing, when the chairman of the republican governor's association was in arkansas raising money for congressman hutchinson's campaign. he could have said, this ad is not fair. the democrat gazette has done three stories, the ethics committee reviewed this seven years ago and said there was no truth to it. he didn't. he kind of winked winked and let them go after my wife. and i think 00s my wife and apology right here right now. >> well, mr. ross, do you control the democratic governs' association ads that they run attacking me? you know better than that. of course i have no control over those ads. it's illegal to coordinate those. i don't know anything about the facts of the sale of your pharmacy. i will let you answer those

questions. i have never, never attacked you on that issue. if you remember me attacking you on that or in any way, you tell me right now because i have not. >> more than 100 debates for the control of congress. find that information on our website, our campaign 2014 website, c-span.org plus series plus campaign 2014. again, from you, this morning, your top issue as you head to the polls in november, bill, up first from columbia maefrld, our democrats line. when yous your top itch? good morning, first of all, 0 i am an independent. got that wrong. my top issue is the national debt and how it relates to i can't understand how the wealthiest nation in the world can be the biggest debtor nation on the planet. it just doesn't make sense.

and my -- i am also concerned about national security, and i am not a -- you can call me a war hawk. i believe we should be -- the federal government should be focused on protecting the citizens of this country, and that's where our money should -- the bulk of our money should be spent and my. >> dairy from indiana, democrats line. hello. caller: yes, mark dataon, the governor has done an outstanding job keeping taxes low for the middle class. wages low for the upper class which is a fair thing to do. he is funding for education.

he will be an outstanding candidate to go along with biden or bernie sanders. nina turner would be good, too. and i don't think it's unreasonable to expect a living wage for any honest hard-working person. >> bob from read rick maryland, what's your top issue as you head to the polls in november? >> illegal immigration by just the shear numbers of i will levels crossing our border, just the fact that many i willegal children are flooding our state in maryland. there is currently over 500 students with improper immunizations in my county alone. >> that's unheard of. >> that's more like a third-world country. the bigger picture is that the rule of law has been replaced by the rule of man with all of this

illegal immigration. our sovereignty is at risk. culture is at risk. language is at risk. i don't know what the end game is. the political ruling class of the elite. host: as you go to the polls in november, who are you going to vote for? does that person reflect your views on immigration? >> probably. there is nobody. it's a ruling class. there is neither a democrat or a republican that's worth their salt that's anti-immigration everyone talks a good game but it's all lip service. talk is cheap. >> eric from frederick maryland, republican line. >> yeah. i am absolutely opposed to this so-called] tax that obama wants to impose upon my health insurance. i have excellent plan and obama care is going to imposed a 40% tax on my employer because i have good insurance. it's none of obama's business that i have good insurance, and

yes, he has no earthly reason to tax my insurance policy. host: so is health insurance or healthcare your top issue for november? caller: yes, i want obama care dead host: who are you going to vote for? caller: any republican i possibly can because they are lesser evil than democrats. host: atlanta, georgia, up next, pierre, democrats line. hi. caller: yes. buenas di a as. the major stafford loan that's been occurring which i tried to fight in the florida, immigrate, i ran as a u.s. senate candidate in new jersey in florida. i have found chris wilson, twice, one of the things i have noticed as a retired university professo is the fact that people have reneged on their loans. they are not paying them back.

they are utilizing the system and bankrupting it, and i actually taught in guadalajara mexico and i am fluent in six languages. it's been destruction. i was going to run in georgia but i saw the election was pretty well set between nun and kingston because the major parties are here i notice that the one caller, your second caller, is going to vote for bernie sanders and i will as well being a certified independent my whole life. sanders has shown that he has a responsible, shall we say, rhetoric towards the working class. what amazes me is the irresponsibility of people here in the u.s. for paying their loans back. i will leave it there because i've already covered 48 states in the last three months and i have seen rounds in south dakota, hutchinsons when i was in oregon because andrew just reported that. >> uh-huh. thank you for calling.

earline,beling, michigan, democrats line. caller: yes. i wonder why there can't be a committee or board or something set up for this. people, i mean these ads have to be truthful whether they are negative or not. i mean at least truthful so that we don't have to listen to all of this garbage. >> the advertising your top issue when you go to the polls in november? are there other issues that you are interested in? >> caller: oh, yes. i watch the political programs. i do keep up on them. i am a democrat. i believe that everyone should get taken care of. host: who do you plan to vote for in november? caller: democrats, straight. host: earline from michigan as i said, not only will we be

hearing from you about your top issue as you go to the polls in november but also taking a look at rateses from across the country. our next interest will turn to pennsylvania. specifically the governor's race there. the governs will debate or the candidates for governor will debate tomorrow. you can see that on c-span. but to give us a flavor of the debate, joining us on the phone, tom fitzgerald with the philadelphia inquirer, a political writer for that organization. mr. fitzgerald, good morning. let me punch the line. mr. fitzgerald, are you there? one more time for him. let's see if we can get him on the on line but other calls back to you, kyle, atlanta georgia democrats line. caller: yes. okay. so my most important issue is the affordable healthcare act. i am voting straight democrat although i am in a red state, i

probably won't whip it but in july, we are doing work paying the same rate as if i was making for my previous employer, but once that ends, the end of next month, $500 and something dollars. i can't afford that. i just started a little small business. so right now, that's the most important thing for me. and i don't think a lot of people realize that, you know, red states with medicaid not being expanded, that's why the affordable healthcare is so much. so i don't really know if a lot of people realize that. so... host: cw from texas, republican line, we are asking people about their top issue this november. what's yours? caller: mine is basically about solutions. you know, i want the future to

truly be bright instead of bleak. i am 31 years old. i believe that money has always been in solutions. we need desal inization plants, focus on the water crisis in this country. we need to also focus on fixing our electrical grid and securing it for the emp. host: who is the candidate that reflects your interests then? caller: i am a libertarian, sir, so i am going to always lean that way. but i want to know what the language is and the transpacific partnership known as the tpp. the american people need to know what that is, and, also, the 38 pages, the 9-11 commission will not release. we need to know what are in those 38 pages. host: let's try the philadelphia governs' race and debate tomorrow night again with tom fitzgerald of the philadelphia inquiry. mr. fitzgerald, good morning. host: good morning. how are you? host: host: could you set up not only

this debate tomorrow night which folks can see on c-span but where the two candidates stand as far as this race is concerne concerned? >> absolutely. the first debate tomorrow is that it finds the incumbent, the top republican, needing to really have something happen to reset this race. he's been the under dog almost from the beginning which is a huge surprises in a new statement that historically has re-elected the incumbent governs overwhelmingly. basically, it's been a stable race. the real clear policy averages have democrat tom wolfe with 17 percentage points, a little over a fraction over, and there was a new poll up this morning from the kneeland berg and the morning call newspaper in

allentown found wolfe leading 52% to 31% among likely voters. it also found that it's not necessarily a pro-wolfe vote. half of the respondents said they were -- who were voting for involve but they were motivated by dissatisfaction with corbett. >> i was going to ask you if there were specific instances why mr. corbett is seeing these low numbers. >> it's somewhat of a mystery, but substantively t probably goes back to the number 1 issue is education, and when he took over in 2011 after the -- after being elected in the republican way, there were, because of the stimulus ran out, there were cuts to education funding from the state from harrisburg. the governor cut some state money. the stimulus was a bear. and then, he went ahead with

some business tax cuts that his predecessor had on the plan. and schools increased class sizes, laid off teachers and other workers and increases property taxes. so, he started the negativity toward him among voters across the state and upon his own party. there were a variety of things he did that form very conservative republicans don't feel he really stood up for their issues. for instance, he had pushed through voter id law that then when it got in to tough challenges, the appeals court abandoned the appeal, accepted a

ruling it was unconstitutional. >> was there any doubt from governor corbett as far as the expansion of medicare within the state? ca >> it does not seem like he got much bounce from that. the dominant narrative would have been that he was not expanding medicare. when he finally, did, you know, it's an innovative program that might well work. it's going to do some good. i think people focus did on -- most voters focused on if they thought about the issue at all, they focus did on the fact that a year had gone by and we missed a billion dollars of federal funding because there were negotiations between the administration and d.c. about pennsylvania's alternative version of the establishment.

host: as far as his challenger, tom wolfe, how is he casting himself? what's his strategy? >> tom wolfe's strategy has been to do no harm. he's being very cautious. he is limited public appearances. he doesn't get specific, doesn't take many questions. he is trying to avoid a mistake. he's sort of major policy pitch is that he wants to put a tax on natural tax, of 5% and use that money to increase spending on education. and a couple of other things and the governor has declined to put a tax on natural gas. >> tom fitzgerald of the philadelphia inquirer who covers

politics for that paper. mr. fitzgerald, thanks. >> my pleasure. host: these two men meet in a debate tomorrow. see that live on c-span starting at 7:30. for more information, go to the website specifically for campaign 2014, c-span/series/campaign 2014. marilou from wallington, new jersey. what's your top issue going in to november? caller: good morning pedro. thank you for c-span. i agree with an earlier caller, bob from maryland. my issue wiis illegal immigrati. it is because it is at the center of a lot of other important issues. jobs and the economy, education, healthcare, public assistance benefits, until we seal that border and make sure that everybody in this country is here legally, pedro, we are never going to have a stable and a prosperous country. unfortunately, my state is

democratic. we have got men enes and booker as senators and they paneleder to illegal aliens for this hispanic vote. my representative is a democrat, bill pasquel and he is for a pathway to citizenship. so unfortunately, for the first time in my life, i may end up not voting because the republican that's going up against pasquel is also for a pathway to citizenship. >>host: becky from michigan thank you for holding on. hi. caller: hi. my -- i am going to do something i have never done and that is i am -- i don't care about the issues. i don't care about anything except for what the republicans have done to my president. and i will never know how much good or bad he might have done

if they had just cooperative a little bit. i will never vote for any republican. i don't care what they stand for. and my goal is to vote every single one of them out. host: had you ever voted republican before? caller: yeah. now and again. now and again. yeah. there were -- there is a woman in michigan that i voted for a couple of times. she came and talked at our local church and i liked her. so i voted for her. i very rarely vote straight. well, i can't even think of a time i voted straight democrat. but i am democrat for the most part, you know. and you know, not only what they've done that everybody

knows about. but like my family, they have ruined my family. they've ruined my life with my husband. you know, when you love he lost a job of 30 years. perfect attendance and a work eth beic that you just can't believe p you know. and then he went from unemployment to the only job he could get was minimum wage. >> was one third of what we were earning before. and we've got bill collectors calling and threatening to sue us and everything else, and before that, we had perfect credit. host: doris from vallejo,cal, independent line. caller: my name is doris. i was calling like the caller before. i am not concerned with the issues at all. what i am concerned about is that i am a christian woman. what i am concerned about is the morality and the integrity of

all of the constituents involved in congress, in washington, d.c., period. i mean no one is considering god at all. it's like they had just taken god totally out of the equation and just doing things the way they want to do because of ego, power, money, whatever, want to take someone's oil and the whole nine yards but now, how can they sit in those positions and not consider the wrath of god? they have to be accountable for that just like a subject in these different countries. host: would you only vote for someone who is religious? caller: no. no. no. no. no. no. i rarely vote. i would only vote for someone if i knew that they spoke with an ounce of moral fine ner their bodies and their words, you know, even sounded near sincere and it wasn't like an arena and everyone is just following the

ringleader, you know. the republicans holding on to tradition. democrats, you know, wanting things done for them in a better way and here we go again. the rich get richer, you know, while the poor continue to struggle. host: daphne on the independent line from florida. >> hi. i am calling to say i wish we could have more peace and tranquility in our government and not have this constant bickering and arguing over everything. things used to be nice in the old days and now, nobody tries to make things -- tries to agree on things. it's always just fighting going on and most of us are really tired of it. i am calling to tell you that anybody should vote. it's really important that you

vote. >> another caller from viro beach, john, democrats line? >> it's fogy here this morning. >> we don't have anything to do. but just out of curiosity, does the affordable healthcare redefine the term customary and usual so that we can understand in other words, as a patient, can we still be billed an excess of that the insurance company pays a doctor after our deductibles have been met. host: you may have been calling for our previous segment featuring our healthcare reporter. he is gone. we are finished with that segment. we have moved on to politics and issues of the november election. i didn't know if you knew that or if that healthcare was one of those things you looked at as you go to the november election. >> it is one of the things i looked at. but it's part of a bigger picture. i sure would like the ability to vote for somebody who told me or explained things to me in a way that i could understand it.

host: john, again, we have been looking at not only issues that you have on the november elections but specific races around that you have been paying attention to or have heard about. you have probably heard about what's going on in the kentucky senate. mitch mcconnell against his challenger, allison grimes. you may have seen on the other news shows about an ad ms. grimes put out there specifically setting herself apart president obama. here is the ad. . >> mitch mcconnell wants you to kick out barack obama. mit he is attacking me on coal. after doing next to nothing while we've lost thousands of coal jobs. he evened said it's not his job to bring jobs to kentucky. i am not barack obama. i disagree with him on guns, coal and the epa and that's not how you hold a gun. i am allison grimes and i approve this message.

>> joining us to talk about the race that's going on kentucky, the kentucky senate race, sam youngman, a political reporter for the lexington herald, good morning. >> thank you for having me. host: whooeft does it say ms. grimes had to put out an ad like that? what does it say about her campaign? >> i think it says mitch mcconnell has had a great deal of successs. you know, the president's numbers have never been good in kentucky. right now, they have gone from bad to worse, you know, the central tenant of senator mcconnell's campaign has been to portray sec tear grimes at 35 is unknown. and obama's unpopularity. s that's a test with that strategy host: a strategy such as her opponent has been able to characterize her and she has not

been able to do that herself? ca . >> a lot have wondered allowed going back to the primary when mcconnell was distracted by matt evans and wondering why grimes wasn't use that period to sort of introduce herself to kentuckians. she focused on fundraising. i feel like she skipped over the portion of the campaign where she introduced herself to voters. i think they are trying to play catch-up now because mcconnell and the super pac supporting him have been hammering the fact that grimes could be a rubber stamp for obama going back to before christmas and we saw primary night was a large percentage conservative democrats voted for somebody other than grimes in a closed democratic primary and already, that message had taken hold especially in the eastern and western parts of the state the as we have seen in the last couple of weeks, mitch mcconnell seems to have taken a lead in this race. a big part of that is because he

has stuff where mass has been the most effective. >> stay on the line for just a second because we have shown folks mrs. grimes' add. we want to show you the response mr. mcconnell put out there. here it is. >> allison grimes thinks shooting a gun will convince you she is not like barack obama. ? >> i am not barack obama. >> but grimes twice supported obama's platform for obamacare, for the war on coal, for obama's foreign policy and ironically, for gun control. oh, and you know who also did a publicblicity stunt firing a gun? barack obama. obama needs grimes. kentucky needs mitch mcconnell. >> i am mitch mcconnell and i approve this message. >> sam youngman as you spoke about identifying oral at least tying ms. grimes to mr. obama. >> yeah. you know it's hard to overstate

how they have been looking for, as i said looking for different ways to tie her to the president. i thought that ad was a good way to do it. it was a very quick turnaround. the ad was on the air less than 24 hours after secretary grimes put hers up. they feel good where they are in terms of the messaging. i think six weeks to go, this is going to be a real uphill battle for something terri grimes to put distance between herself and the president. who she is and why she should be, why she would be better than mcconnell. >> engaging in a debate? >> they have an october 13th debate here on t.v. you know, nothing knew except there has been a debate about debates. i think, you know, going head to head and they are going to get at least one.

>> sam youngman with the lexington herald-leader, the political reporter talking about the kentucky senate race. mr. youngman, thanks a lot? >> thank you. >> again, the other races to go to at our campaign 2014 website, 100 debates. see them on that website from c-span. again, we have highlighted some. back to your main issues when it comes to november. here is ray from texas, democrats line. >> ray, you are on. go ahead. >> yes. good morning. >> good morning. >> one of my main concerns is when the republicans start using or implementing federal laws. i live right here on the mexican border. and they don't need a republican -- we have a republican governor that just took it on himself to mill tar

eyes the border. now, we are spending like 20s million dollar a month that could have went to the children of texas. and then that's why i will be voting democrat. >> alan from organ, independent line, hi. >> hello. thanks for taking my call. >> you are on. go ahead. >> all right. i would like to say that here in oregon, i am following very closely the measure 91 campaign which is to regulate and tax n cannabis and hemp. i believe ken salberg in his reex is a bit of a turn coat, he will probably be the one that will most likely put that forward. other than that, it's basically how i will be voting a straight

libertarian ticket. >> why do you say the candidate is a bit of a turncoat? caller: it's really other issu issues. most that cover organizeon. he has come out against the regulation and taxation of hemp and cannabis before. it's just more recently since washington has come around, he's saying that he can hear the drums banging up north and i think that he's changed pretty quickly. host: james from west village, democrats line, hi. caller: hi. host: you are on. caller: yes. i am calling to try to get people in the state of west virginia to vote democrat and all. we right now are a republican state. and all. and the republicans does not care about the middle class or the low-income people. and all. and i am hoping that everybody

will support the candidate and ray hall running for the congress. host: james from west virginia. our c-span bus, by the way, has been traveling across the country stopping at big 10 schools. not only to give those students and faculty an experience of what c-span about but from are for us us on "washington journal" gives us a chance to talk to college presidents. the tour has been going on. we continue on this week. tuesday, president mitch daniels will join us from perdue university. governor of the state and talk to us about issues of his state and university. president morton shapiro of northwestern will join us on wednesday and we will here from if luanna k simon. >> that's part of our c-span big time college bus tore. find out more on the website at c-span. marlin from pennsylvania, good morning. go ahead, please. caller: yes. i will be voting republican straight. host: what's your main issue for voting?

caller: the democrats and the president don't respect nothing, the military especially. every time he gets off of the marine 1, the marine absolute him, he ignores them. hand out medals of honor and when he steps in fronts of the awardee, he never shortly the guy. some, it's their one chance he can absolutely them first and he don't do it. host: eugene up next. eugene is from locust grove, virginia caller: hi. i am voeming democrat probably across the board. i am very disappointed we don't get to hear more about the house contests like i am in district 7, which is the one that cantor got kicked out of, and we really have an opportunity to make a difference with as many democrats as we can get in

there. host: eugene, as you decide people to vote for, what determines who you will vote for? what are those issues passionats that you want to see expressed on election day? caller: i would like to see women's rights, e quality, pay, za care for the poor. those are the things that take care of the middle class and the lower class and one very, very, very important thing. if the person coming up is obstructionist, i don't want them in there. i want somebody in there who will negotiate so that we can get something done. host: from marion, massachusetts, here is kevin. hello. caller: hi. good morning. how are you? host: host: fine. thank you. caller: can see the beautiful capitol building in back of you.

i am concerned on the race, john schattman, congressman running against bill keating. can you hear me? host: host: yes. go ahead. caller: okay. keating is a democratic independent and, you know, he cares more about the illegals and paying for the services come bog massachusetts versus our veterans who are getting defunded on everything. and these are the folks that fought for our freedom and keating is just, you know, the opponent, the democrat, he is completely invisible. mr. chapman is very conservative. he wants to turn massachusetts around. our state is completely upsidedown. it's wrought with corruption and political scandals. and i think mr. chapman can turn this state around. host: from hamtrack, michigan on our indent line, sally. hi. caller: hi.

i am going to vote independent if i can. if not, probably republican, but my most important issue is i would like to know the stance on jury nullification, which is the most important thing that we -- it's our most important power to keep our freedom, which is diminishing r578d host: how did you come to adopt that as a main issue? caller: how did he come to adopt it adds a main issue? well, it's the mass incarceration and the freedoms that have been taken away. do you know, people live paycheck to paycheck. do you know what happens when a person gets arrested? they lose their job. they lose their house. just an arrest. i am not talking about the people that go to prison for years. i am talking about one arrest ruining lives.

so we definitely need to end the drug war, but that's really not -- i don't see it happening right now. host: one we are more call, virginia beach, democrats line caller: what i miss is a sense of bi-partisanship. i checked out for a while because i was on sick of it. then i realized that is allowing the progresses to get away from me. so, i am looking to vote for mark warner this august, a democrat and i want to press obama be bold in his last two years to get the agenda through but working again with the other side of the aisle host: sharon from virginia beach. thank you for all who part nighted last phone segment. here is what's coming you have on tomorrow's program. we are going to talk about isis, home grown isis threats specifically involving those here in the united states. susan crabtree will join us.

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