one poet used to say there are no limit borders between iraq and lebandon. was spread amongst the arab youth. there was a nationalistic base and a religious ace for these ideas. original -- for the to the drugse, addicts, as they call them.

ideas these extremist and to save myd 72 setsill fixed into and groups, one of them will survive and all 70 others are going to finish. that means they are not real muslims. is no sayinghere like this of prophet mohammed but this is the threat among extremist. i don't inc. prophet mohammed could say this.

there is no doubt that al qaeda is the base of this ideology to fight the soviet occupation of the country. gradually andd managed to have ranches in other countries, in the gulf and iraq. the people who were in baghdad at times when they were supervising these prisons, these

, thosest prisons thatogies married and from marriage, isis came out. when we try to look at the difference between isis and other organizations, we the other organizations are boundary, oneone border. isis is different. isis is an international terrorist organization. they are interested in the whole world. they have a specific target against one authority, but isis that name to form a state

rings together the entire middle east and this is where the danger comes from. indeed, they managed at some point to occupy modal. there were iraqi troops and iraqi forces and there were three brigades in most will. different route began to. they used all modern technology in their propaganda. they have many phone numbers of iraqi officials and they send to threaten them

and threaten their family numbers. now before wese kill you and kill all of your family. minister of defense said one of the big problems that we have is the mobile phones because when the soldiers all have mobile phones, the defeat did not happen. happened at the level of army commanders in bothell and every soldier when they see this, when the commander has left the battlefield, they will gaveat making a way of us and they will defend very little. fell.s how most will

if we go back to the makeup of , it was aarmy successful composition. the iraqi army has been through starting with a war with iraq that ended up with one million killed and disabled. then the army was taken into ,ccupying kuwait and in the and there was a deadly attack against the iraqi army. , not only he did not stop at his army being

humiliated like this, he did not respond to the international project for him to be ready to cooperate. these blows have all had their impact on the psychology of the commander so the prevailing politics at the time was a failed policy. it was moving from failure to failure. after isis managed to occupy bothell and they advanced into politicsages, iraqi

had control in all of that. looked into the formation formed in the days of remer. brummer thought soldiers who , they be part of the army way this much without exploring the possibility. people rely on the iraqi army? i have to admit corruption that existed. i have to admit this. army, thede of the

number should be many thousands, numberreality, the real is 1500 and the rest are for dishes names just to get salaries. otherwise, the iraqi army is a brave army. army has been undermined by saddam and by brummer coming to iraq and internal political problems. role in turning the army into that today. isis started by attacking the easy these. they are the people who strayed

from the zoroastrian religion they were shipped the god of evil to save themselves shippedl and they were isis issued a fatwa saying these people are not the levers of the book -- christians woman choose or others who had a message from there wives decided should be taken and there children should be killed and they started after that -- christians who were forced to

either convert to islam or pay taxes or get killed. this is how they dealt with other religions and the shiite all of iraq. at the beginning, some simple people thought this will be a win for the sunnis. isis does not represent the sunnis, does not represent anybody. lamb in this area. , they believe in one religion, just their religion and they are not down to a

certain boundary. if they can, they will control the whole world. they stay where they are today, this will mean gradually they will control or expand into other areas. dealing with this threat has a multilevel approach. while military attacks are very their organization sells should be followed. they have sleeper cells everywhere. also for religious awareness and religion, people of

-- islam isntrate not the religion of killing the old and terrorism. especially in today's world. there are no slaves in this world, in this they engage them a we should not have anything called slaves. campaign is anal excellent start and we hope this campaign will yield positive results. stoptting rid of isis will they did very well by attacking isis inside syria as well and we have to be very careful that an

attack inside syria should be an attack against isis. it should be done in syria and i can see there is an international understanding and this is an excellent step. syria is a complex issue. we need to deal with it with and 50. and in a way that does not iraqe that situation in and other areas. thank you.

[applause] the time is finished, so i have to finish. >> can you hear me? we are good to go. i am going to ask a few questions and engage in a bit of discussion and then turn it over for questions.

, one thing that has allowed isis and the islamic state to make gains in iraq have been the divisions in iraqi politics and there hasety full of been a lot of talk iraqi is building a more inclusive project but your governor does not have a minister of defense or minister of interior, there is a plan to engage the sunni tribe that the plan has not yet been implemented. can iraq form a truly inclusive government given all the failures of the past? why cannot work this time when it has not worked before? >> before, there were many

sensitivities between many iraqi groups. groupstill dealing as and this idea of citizenship has not been established and this is normal. of until thelands, , we hopereas groups a stage where by the groups are pay -- the groups are based on citizenship, forming the new government is a new important step. this goes back to a time of

the varioustween groups. there seems to be some agreement that the minister of defense should the sunni. at -- and he searches for an independent shia. not art of as political group, there still could the connections or affiliations to this group. hope only, the government will be completed and the curtis -- kurdish ministers will engine -- will join that. stop >> i would like to ask you about the kurds -- you are a kurd and you are

the president of iraq. to haveish region seems one foot in the iraqi government and one foot out the door. committed to are the government formation process, but they are also running about building a national referendum. can the kurds be brought into the government of iraq, and is it wise to proceed with a referendum while it is tried to negotiate its way and make the power-sharing arrangements. >> i became the president of , throughugh election the selection of all kurdish political parties.

to stay indecision the idea is to hold a referendum for independence. time when the dispute was very high with the iraqi central government will when estherans maliki was the prime minister, and there were many, many problem's between a central government and irby all. -- a referendum does not mean immediately after a referendum they will be announcing the kurdish state -- forming a kurdish state is a project and a project like this has to take into account regional and international countries.

this process will take a very long time and today, there is no possibility to announce such a state. for this, the kurdish leaders are taking part in governments and a are participating in the biggest institution of the country. and theentioned syria role of islamic state in syria for the we had the bombing attacks against isis targets in. . stability be brought without a solution to the fighting in syria and can there be a solution to the civil war in serious along as bashar all >>ad is not empower work

there is a connection between iraq and syria. when disputes between the two ath days --ing the ba even in the new iraq, there were many differences with syria. we believe isis should be hit in the area as a whole. the first area to hit isis is iraq. but if isis manages to go to cana, that means they easily come back. that means hitting isis in syria itvery them were will stop

theld not become part of problems connected to the issued. this is too use the word the regime or that the attacks should be seen as beginning to overthrow bashar al-assad stop that is why these attacks are limited. but i am going to ask one last western and then open up from essence. next stepu think the is for islamic state inside iraq and internationally smart what is the next the literary step now that they have it. ?

>> perhaps they have labor cells who will try to use them to attack installations. that is why security officials and the people of iraq should be that is why aware we see operations, suicide attacks and sabotage attacks will stop this needs a lot more work and effort, especially now that the government is reviewing security institutions. but at this point, i'm going to open up a discussion for questions from the audience.

when you present a question, please stand and identify yourself for the speaker here. i think we all know this, but this is an on the record meeting and if you could keep your questions concise, we could have more restaurants. who wants to ask the first question? >> thank you very much. i'm barbara slaven from the islamic council. welcome to new york. let me ask about relations between iraq, iran, and the united states. what role are you playing and what role are the kurds and other iraqis playing in coordinating military action against isis. what is your view -- do you see

is this going or to become a real area of cooperation without alienating the sunni states also fighting isis? >> iraqi has borders, over 1000 kilometers in iraq. we have historic ties with iran as iraqis. relations go back in history. we deal with iran as a neighbor and we have common thatests with as a country

has a role in the region. with at look at iraq radiant eyes. same with the united states. today, tolexibility understand the most complex statesbetween the united , that is the issue. there seems to be a readiness to understand each other and the meeting that takes place between the two foreign ministers are encouraging. see ann our interest to understanding between these two

states. are there a rainy and iranian -- in in iraq schumer iraq? >> the first country that provided help for the refugees and those who were on top of the mountain was iran. iran provided humanitarian aid and i have to admit they also provided life lessons for the fighters in this mountain defending themselves >> and iranian advisors?

>> i do not believe there is an advisor. >> one of the iranian generals out -- if he is around, let me see him, but he isn't. there are lyrical problems, but even if they were present to help, and there are many experts. we are asking for experts.

>> thank you. my name is roland paul. one of the groups we would be interested to know is among the sunnis. sunnis do you expect to create a military force against isis either in the national guard or local glitches or in the iraqi army? how long will the sunni can tengion be? >> the iraqi constitution strengths -- stresses the need for a balance between the groups of people in iraq and the iraqi

army. of theens to take care percentage of the ratio and we have to be sure those training the army are able to conduct their duties, whether they are sunnis, shiites, or kurds. for the national guard, every cabinet will have its own national guard. that means there will be local -- allfrom the governor the way back there. >> jonathan with mcclatchy newspapers. you say united states airstrikes in syria should not be limited alsolamic state but should

include the al qaeda affiliate there. there are demonstrations in syria by opposition against american airstrikes because they also happen to be the most effective fighting force in the opposition against assad regime. how do you deal with that problem where you have do not want the united states to be hitting their most effective fighting force? >> this is syria and we do not

interfere in syria. syria is an independent date. concerned,sis is they are also a terrorist organization. views andvarious opinions and groups inside syria . against hitting this group but if we , theygically look at isis should be attacked everywhere. withinould be international legitimacy as a cover for attacking it will stop >> trudy rubin from the "philadelphia inquirer." in

order to deal with isis, sunnis besyria and iraq need to that they are safe to oppose isis. will sunni be able to fight against isis if they feel the bombing strikes are helping president assad? can you say specifically what the government will do to when sunninnis tribes feel like they have been betrayed in the past when they turn against al qaeda?

>> isis did not defend the sunnis. isis occupied sunni areas. most little is known to be a sunni city and the second largest government in iraq. many of the people of muscle are refugees now. finds awho goes and majority of those people went because it is close to muscle, isis does not represent sunnis. isis occupied key areas of the

sunnis. as for syria, the situation is and syria is concerned with this issue and we don't control syria. we don't decide anything for the syrian people. be people of serious should making their decision and their future. row?e woman in the fourth >> hello. i'm from human rights watch will stop i want to know what the iraq government plans are to disarm the see it -- the mysia -- the shia militias accused of conduct and things on par with the isis millison.

and vice president knology still has a number of shia militias still reporting to him and how can we avoid that? >> militias should end. , a group of militias emerged. some of these militias are fighting isis, but when we get militia should stay.

for as long as the exist, that means the security apparatus will not be able to conduct their duties. in are you saying the militia should go when isis is illuminated? threat,as isis is a they should play a role? >> today and in previous times, when isis started to attack various areas, there was a call for peopleatollahs to be recruited and to volunteer to defend iraq and attacked

iraq. this is a tactical move. attacked,e area is anyone who is able to carry weapons -- he did not have a reserve army to ask them to join. we need today to gather everybody who is able to carry weapons and be against isis. isis occupied key areas of the thehen we finish with isis, armies that make up the security , the security apparatus are not able to conduct their duties and the

previous army is unable to protect iraq. that is why militias had to and. >> we go to the gentleman over there, and then we go over there next. >> some years ago, vice president biden and our former president proposed a plan that ultimately was not taken up to divide iraq into three states, one sunni, when shia, and one kurd, as you know. there are a number of people in foreign-policy circles in the united states who are now looking at that proposal again as the ultimate outcome if the

iraqi government is not able to hold things together. what do you think about that, and what it be such a bad thing necessarily? >> as for the idea of mr. biden, he speaks about within the iraq state, so that means instead of iraq becoming a kurdish region and many other governments, it

means that we could have a region for the kurds and two other regions in the arab areas of iraq. there are those who are thinking that we move from federalism to counter federalism, but the iraqi state remains, but instead of having a federal system, we have a confederate system, but partitioning iraq and turning it into three independent states -- i think this is a bit far-fetched, especially in today's situation. >> i'm with nbc news. mr. president, yesterday, your prime minister set off a renzi in this country when he said that there was a plot uncovered to attack the subway stations here and him paris, and i was wondering if you yourself had any information about that claim, which was widely dismissed by u.s. intelligence

and security officials here in this country -- a plot uncovered to attack the subway stations here and in paris. >> personally, i don't have any information about this. i have not had or seen exactly what he said -- i have not heard or seen exactly what he said. it's clearly within expectation for any of this to happen by sleeper cells, and they retaliate and could resort to such things, but is detailed

accurate information, i have not mean any information like this. i have only seen through the newspapers what you said. the nature of the statement, how it was made was not very clear, and i tried to ask him, but he is on his way to baghdad. i could not get hold of him. >> the second row. >> carter page, global energy capital. i would like to follow up on michael's question in terms of the internal political dynamics. you mentioned in your comments about the psychology of soldiers and commanders in the iraqi army. and a lot of meetings i've had with investors and companies that are looking at iraq, there's quite a bit of optimism, and it actually relates to the changes in the political dynamics right now. particularly in the oil sectors. can you say a little bit in terms of your agenda there and where you see the direction of that going, and up easily, the balance with the more near-term priorities, vis-à-vis the security situation? thank you.

>> as for the energy, oil and gas, we have a bit problem in the country. we still do not have a hydrocarbon law for the new iraq, and there are the old laws, but there are differences between the kurdistan region and

the federal government, but the basic fact is that both sides agree that the constitution should be the arbitrator between the two. the problem is on powers of the center and other regions. as for the oil policy of the country and how it should be, this has to be revised. i believe that regions should have representatives in a higher counsel for oil and gas policy that has representatives of all the governments in the region, and i believe that the new minister of oil and gas is a capable person and has good relations with all the political parties iraq, with all the political people, sides, and i hope that this complicated portfolio will be solved under

this new minister. >> all the way in the back there, the woman right there. >> thank you. mr. president, thank you for being here. i'm with cnn, following up on the question from nbc about your prime minister yesterday telling a group of reporters that there was a plot. he did not know if it was imminent, but a plot that had not been warded -- supported to attack subway systems in the u.s. and in paris. later with vice president biden, he dialed that back, saying he was speaking in general terms. are you concerned about the fact that this was said first to the press rather than to u.s. officials, given how closely these two governments need to work together now? secondly, do you think that has an all harm u.s.-iraqi relations?

>> iraqi-american relations are strong relations. as for the intervention of u.s. airstrikes, it was based on the agreement of the iraqi government because there is a strategic agreement between the two countries that iraq's

sovereignty was at threat. again, i have to say that i did not attend this meeting in order to be able to compare, but i can tell you that we are bound by these decisions, and we are eager to have strong relations with the united states. as i said, there is a strategic agreement. there are weapons that iraq is buying from the united states, and there are many advisors and experts. when they went to iraq, they went with iraqi thesis -- the visas. they did not enter the country by force. we need these experts. >> right there.

to the right, and then we will do right and then we will do left. turn around the other way. yes. yes. >> very brief question -- it's been said that isis fighters are disciplined, effective, very well militarily trained, and that has been attributed to some extent to disaffected or former iraqi military officers. what percentage of isis is made up of disaffected or no longer loyal and iraqi officers? -- no longer loyal iraqi officers?

>> but individuals of isis are suicidal. there is a big difference between a suicide attacker and those who defend. for the suicide bomber, it is the same -- to kill or be killed. the iraqi soldier is known to be brave. when the soldiers seize that their leader has run away, they lose their head, so this is what happens -- iraqi soldiers are known to be brave fighters and strong soldiers.

>> i think that the last question will go to the gentleman over there who thought he was going to ask the one before, right there. >> thank you. i am a journalist. you did not speak about the role of turkey in this conflict. could you shed some light about turkey's stance vis-à-vis isis and also with regard to curtis stand? thank you. -- also with regard to curtis stand -- also with regard to kurdistan? >> kurdistan today is a front line with isis between -- with isis. the peshmergas are fighting.

the real confrontation is that. using iraqi and syrian and american fighter jets along with the french, the situation was tilted in their aim for. turkey has a number of hostages, and they used to say they were unable to provide help openly for curtis stand and for iraq -- for kurdistan and iraq because of the number of hostages. turkey also is ready to present help. i met president it again here, and he expressed readiness to help and cooperate -- i met

president erdogan. they should check that these people are really tourists or they are coming to the borders and stepping into the isis areas. >> i would like to thank you for having us your perspective and for taking questions from the members here on all these difficult subjects. let it him a hand. thank you very much. -- let's give him a hand. [applause] >> i also thank everybody, and i am so happy to meet you, to meet this great crowd here.

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>> hindsight is 2020. what one could say is had we left troops on the border with syria, we could have retained some training mission in some permissions on the border with syria theoretically and in and around baghdad and other parts of rack. that train has left the station really don'tnd i see us coming back into iraq with a kind of force now or in the future. agree that hindsight is 2020. the reality is the laissez-faire foreign policy of this resident is not helping with the establishment of the government and pulling the military out to quickly, so they were not trained when the government started punishing segments of

their society. sil and weto join i should have been more active in preventing that from happening. i do say i support the president on his strikes. i think that is the right thing to do. we have to do it and it's in our international security to make it happen. the ones and the kurds should be on that as well. they are good fighters. i think the boots on the ground should remain iraqi roots. >> you did recently vote against arming syrian rebels. can you explain your positions on that? >> yes. i was the only one in the entire delegation, the region in fact, who voted against that. that was to arm the free syrian army and to train them for the i have seen too many incidents

where we have trained a group of people and as we train them, we turn -- they turned their weapons on us. just because they are fighting us thought does not mean they are our friends. i worry they would turn on the united states whenever they get the chance and we train them to do that. do you agree? >> here is what i think about this. it is impossible to know i did notvote because know about the intro -- about the intricacies of that congressional decision. explain hown congress could have left washington after four days coming back from summer vacation on trainingte without aerate rebels

thorough discussion and debate about where that was going to go. need to be asked and the authority needs to be discussed and debated. what authority do we have making this move? i would say stay in washington and debate released a couple of days. only four days of congressional meetings after the summer recess will up it should have at least been debated the weekend after that vote. >> there were several days of discussions. president asked for congress to make the authority the president said he wanted in the continuing resolution and we had a line because of that continuing resolution. that is the answer. >> after serving 14 years as texas governor, the longest in texas history, rick perry is retiring. democratic senator wendy davis and greg abbott are running to replace governor perry. they debate tomorrow night and you can see that life, here on

c-span at 9:00 p.m. eastern. another governors debate -- mark dayton debates republican challenger jeff johnson and independence party candidate hanna nicollette. that live in rochester, minnesota. >> thursday night two more governor debates. mary fallin and joe doorman. that's live on c-span at 8:00 eastern. also at 8:00 eastern, a debate of nebraska's governor's race. ebrook and pete ricketts. on c-span, a debate from oregon. where john kitzhaber faces a challenge from republican dennis richardson.

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matt mcdonald. >> good morning and welcome to this, the 2014 oregon gubernatorial debate, the second time these two candidates will be meeting. i'm matt mcdonald, the evening anchor at news channel 21 and i will be serving as your moderator today. i am proud to be saying that we have two candidates with us today, the first governor john kitzhaber, a democrat is seeking his fourth term as governor. he was first elected in 1994, again in 1998 and 2010. prior to serving as governor, he was the president of the oregon senate and is a physician by training. his republican challenger, dennis richardson, has served in the oregon house since 2002 representing district 4 that includes parts of jackson and josephine counties. he is a retired attorney, business owner and vietnam war veteran. they have agreed to a set forum for this debate. each candidate will have two minutes for opening remarks and three minutes apiece for closing. questions have been submitted

by oregon association of broadcasters members and they have been vetted by an o.a.b. committee. candidates will have one minute for a response. the candidate that answers first will get a 30-second rebuttal period. as the moderator, it is my discretion to ask for 30-second follow-up questions if we need to clarify any points. by virtue of a coin toss, the order for opening remarks as well as questions as already been set. this time, representative richardson, you have two minutes for your opening remarks. >> hello, i'm dennis richardson, i'm the republican and independent candidate for oregon governor. i think i should start by telling you a little bit about who i am. i'm the son of a carpenter, a union man who taught me how to work hard and not quit until the job is done. i learned from the example of president john kennedy when i was young about the importance and the honor of military service, so when i was old enough, i joined the army. i influence helicopters in vietnam, primarily nighthawk and single ship missions.

after returning home, i was lost and then i met kathy who helped me find new purpose for my life. kathy is here with me today and after 41 years of marriage, we continue to grow closer every year. we have one son and eight daughters so we know how to keep at it and work through hard times. [laughter] >> i served on the city council and then was elected in 2002 to become a legislator in the oregon house of representatives. while there, i was unanimously elected by the democrats and republicans to serve as both or serve as the speaker pro tem and then i became the co-chair of ways and means where i was able to work across the aisle to balance the budget in very difficult times without raising taxes. i'm here today to ask for you to give me the opportunity to serve as oregon's next governor and this isn't about a republican versus a democrat. think about the past versus the

future. the governor served for three terms, three terms of high unemployment, low school achievement and continuing growing distrust in state government because of the radical abuse of our federal funds and our state funds in both the oregon and columbia river crossing project debacles. oregon deserves a governor who will reboot oregon and who will restore our economy, our education system, and be able to help restore trust and confidence to the oregon people. i will be that governor. >> representative richardson, thank you very much. governor kitzhaber, two minutes for your opening remarks. >> first of all, thank you, o.a.b., for sponsoring this debate. thank you very much. my political career has been built around basic belief. that is that all of us want the same things. we all want to be able to meet our basic needs and those of our families. we want to strive to meet our full potential. we want hard work to be rewarded with a better life and

we want to leave our kids better off than we are. the two basic ways to approach that, one is based on the belief that people are pretty much on their own and need to fend for themselves. if you make it and you're lucky, great. if you don't, you don't make it. the other belief is based on the assumption that we're actually all in this together and there are some things we can actually do as a community, as a society, and as a state to lift us all up. i mean all of us regardless of the race, income, gender or sexual orientation. i believe in the second view. as an e.r. doctor and a legislator, a governor and i fight for it every day as a father. it's why i ran in 2010 and why i'm running again now. remember the dire straits we were in four years ago. polarized state, high unemployment, divided legislature, big budget deficit, some thought it would lead to chaos like we found in wisconsin. i sought opportunity here, but we had to throw away the political playbook, reach

across the partisan divide and take seriously the problems that faced us. that's exactly what we did and we have been doing that together for the last four years. 2001, we erased that budget deficit with bipartisan support. a year ago, we came into a special session to raise revenue for schools and to provide small business relief and we did that with bipartisan votes. earlier this year i negotiated personally to avoid a divisive set of ballot measures. here we are with an opening field ahead of us. we have tackled tough problems over the last four years. we didn't tear the state apart because we did it together. i'm looking forward to a serious discussion of the serious problems that still face us and how we seek to achieve them. >> governor kitzhaber, thank you. we move on to questions now. being a news guy, i like to follow things that are happening in the moment. let me set the stage for the first question. over the past week, the secretary of state's office has said it will be fining the richardson campaign $365 for missing two deadlines to

reporting campaign contributings. a story has come out in one of the media outlets that the kitzhaber is facing accusations it has not reported the inkind work of a political consultant. the question and we'll begin with you, governor kitzhaber, how will you assure oregonans that your administration will operate in an ethical manner? >> i have got a pretty long political career of operating in an ethical martin. never had any ethics filed against me except during the campaign which seems to be routine these days. patricia's activities according to the new rule and will be on the website on september 30. in this day and age with the level of media scrutiny that is brought to anyone in public office, we're all pretty transparent. i have got a pretty long career of transparency, i'm more than happy to discuss that at any time and any place. >> all right, governor, thank

you. representative richardson, i'll repeat the question part of that, how will you assure oregonans that your administration will operate in an ethical manner? >> the secretary of state's office has challenged us because we're living in portland with a friend and they said we didn't say that on the print as a giving of inkind contribution. they don't charge rent. we're going to comply with that because we want to comply with the law. what we have seen with patricia scandal is outrageous. here is woman who was working for the governor, who was on his staff who was giving him counsel and advice about the columbia river crossing bridge project and at the same time she is getting $554,000 of pay from the primary contractor on the project. i think that's criminal. i think it's certainly unethical. can you imagine being an visor to the governor while you're collecting half a million dollars from the contractor who is supposed to be building a

bridge and yet we never dug a single shovelful of dirt on that bridge. >> governor kitzhaber, you have 30 seconds to respond. >> yeah, you know, i think the reason people have attacked patricia is that she is effective. when they shows up, things happen. she is also a powerful woman and some people are uncomfortable dealing with powerful women in this gay and age. she has been a valued add on the c.r.c. she has been a valued friend and consultant over the years. i respect her greatly and will continue to seek her advice when it's appropriate. >> gentlemen, thank you, we'll move on to our second question. representative richardson, we'll start with you on this one. lawsuits, technical failures and on the line the health care coverage for oregon citizens, how will you end the cover oregon debacle and ensure the state does not have similar problems on future i.t. projects? >> thank you for asking this question. cover oregon is the case study

in fraud, waste, and abuse. we have wasted $300 million on a website project. the govern is going to say we have signed up all of these people under cover oregon on health care. the truth is most of them would have been signed up under medicaid anyway. he'll say that we provided all this coverage, but in reality we have almost 100,000 individuals who now have to be reenrolled by the federal government. that is a waste of our time, effort, and money. we can't let that happen again and the way you avoid it is by being connected. the governor was in bhutan learning about gross national happiness and we were in session figuring how to implement cover oregon. the way you stop these things again, have a governor who will pay attention, on the job, who will work and shows up and i'll be that governor. >> representative richardson, thank you. one minute for you governor kitzhaber, how will you end the cover oregon debacle and ensure the state does not have similar problems on future i.t. projects? >> i'll try to answer the

question. our chief information officer alex has instituted a number of steps to address exactly that. one is called an i.t. enterprise governorance structure that assigns for problems on the front end. if problems occur, and the second one is the stage gate process where each project has to go through a stage gauge where we look at its progress and it cannot get the next round of funding until it clears that step. we have instituted this throughout the state and with regards to cover oregon specifically, it will deliver a functional website in november. we have only 5% of oregonans who don't have health insurance coverage today because we kept our eye on the ball which was enrollment. the remainings function will be moved to a state agency to ensure enrollment.

>> it's great to keep your eye on the ball. what we need to keep our eye on the money. we have $300 million wasted on this project. back in 1990, early on, he was involved in the department of motor vehicles fiasco where we lost $75 million. now it's $300 million. it's $190 million on the c.r.c. project and $72 million on the most recently announced department of human services failure in their modernization project. the way you solve this is with leonardo dicaprio that will pay attention who will see that we do not have projects that are just started and continued without oversight. >> thank you, question three, governor kitzhaber, we'll begin with you. recreational marijuana recently became legal in washington and colorado. it is on the ballot here in oregon. if pot is legalized here in oregon, do you favor allowing video communities having the right to ban marijuana-related businesses?

>> you know, i think when -- we need a statewide policy on marijuana. i do not support the measure. we don't know enough and have in place public safety, law enforcement and educational framework for it to work. we have colorado and california, it would make sense to wait a couple of years to learn from their experience and to put that kind of framework in advance. it's difficult to do that once the bill is passed. the time to have have a thoughtful discussion about local preearnings is before the bill passes. it's my hope we are afforded the opportunity in the state to get ahead of the curve. i think it's coming and inevitable. we can be better prepared and better serve the people and to interest those who advocate it and those who are concerned about it by taking the time to put a responsible fake work in place. >> representative richardson, i'll repeat the question. if pot is legalized ear in oregon, do you favor video

communities having the right to ban recreational marijuana businesses? >> the best government is that which is closest to the people. i see no moving interesting why the state should determine whether or not a local community should have pot or not have pot. so i think local control is a rational way to approach it. i agree with the governor that we should delay if we could implementing the law in oregon until we see what has taken place in washington and colorado. we can learn from their mistakes and their successes. that will make for a better program in oregon. regardless, one of the voters speak, i will take an oath to support the will of the people and i will assure that that happens because that's the oath that i take. a governor takes an oath to honor and obey and enforce the constitution and the will of the people. while our governor has chosen not to do that in capital punishment, when it comes to marijuana enforcement implementation of that law, i will see that is done. >> governor kitzhaber, you have

30 seconds to respond. >> i'll waive it. >> we found some common ground, a rarity in politics. thank you. representative richardson, the next question we'll begin with you. what would you do different immediately to improve high school graduation rates in our state and please be specific. >> oregon's education system is second to last in the nation in graduation rates. e have the highest rate of nonattendance, absenteeism. we can't afford to lose another generation. we can have promises made, promises broken and won't bring in another rudy crew to waste another year of the lives of our students. what i will do, first we need to ensure that education is funded first and not last. too often it is a political football in the budgeting process where the kids are forced to suffer and the school districts do not have the ability to make the plans. we should fund education first.

secondly, we should use common sense, and not just common core. we don't need to have the federal government and bureaucrats telling us what is best for our schools. we need local control whenever possible. we should listen to our teachers, to parents and school districts because they know what is best for our students. we need to make sure that we common sense in our schools and our teachers are allowed to teach. >> thank you. governor kitzhaber, the same question to you. what would you do differently to immediately improve high school graduation rates in our state? >> we have started over the last four years, this is not going to happen overnight largely because we have education in silos and kids are nonexistent until they get to kindergarten. we lose a lot of them before they get there. we have a laser focus on outcomes for kids, your four times likely to graduate if you're reading at level in third grade. reconnect kids in high school, actually middle school to college and career,

reconnecting them to college education, reconnecting them to computer science to give them the ability to be pulled through school rather than pushed-through. we'll continue to fund those will make a difference. funding schools first begs the question of what system you're funding. it's a political threat that leaves out the ability to ask are they funding the social services, the wraparound services that they need to be successful at home and in the classroom. >> govern, thank you. representative richardson, you have 30 seconds to respond. >> the question about high school graduation rates, what we need to do is focus on the outcomes that you want. you can't have more of the same. our students need a mentor and an opportunity, especially with a breakdown in families. every child deserves a mentor, opportunities, we need to look at charter schools, we need to look at alternatives. not all kids are going to college. every student deserves an equal educational opportunity. we can do that if we focus on the needs of all of our students and not just those who

are heading to college. >> thank you. we'll move on to our next question now, governor kitzhaber this is directed to you first. in 2015 oregon's minimum wage will be $9.25 an hour. if your view, should it be higher, stay, the same and why? >> oregon is the first state to institute a minimum wage in 1913. this has been a core value of oregon for over a century. i do believe the minimum wage should be higher. i'm not sure what. i don't think it should be $15 but i can see it at $11 or so. the real point is simply raising the minimum wage by itself doesn't solve the problem. there is a benefit cliff where your income goes up and support services like daycare start to fall off. if you move from $9 an hour to $13 hour, you have less money in your pocket. moving up the minimum wage is important. no one can live on that today. they require social services to support. so we should raise the minimum

wage, we have to address the income cliff to work actually pays. when you get a minimum wage increase, you end up with more money in your possibility, make work pavement that ought to be our objective and giving people the ability to take care of themselves and their families. >> governor, thank you. representative richardson, i'll repeat the question. in 2015 oregon's minimum wage will be $9.25 an hour. should it be higher or stay the same and why in your view? >> in focusing on the minimum wage, oregon has the second highest in the country and it's indexed with inflation which is something that other states do not have. we need to focus on the fact that minimum wage is supposed to be an entry wage. we should not be just looking at how we are able to raise the minimum wage. what we need are more jobs, family wage paying jobs in our states. we should focus on those things shall the barriers that prevent us from having good jobs in oregon. i want very much for us to expand our gross domestic

product. when there is greater demand for our products and services, that creates more desire for those products and that creates jobs. minimum wage is an entry level wage. we need to provide more jobs that will allow people to raise their families and pay their mortgages and have a future here in oregon. >> governor kitzhaber, you have 30 seconds to respond to that. >> just growing the economy doesn't help people at the bottom. we have the second fastest grow economy in the nation the most couple of years and most of those jobs are flat out on the bottom, people trapped in a minimum wage job with no way up or out. you try to take care of a family on $18,000 or $19,000 a year, it's impossible do. if we care about the future, we will pay people in the state a wage that allows them to take of themselves and their family. >> representative richardson i want to ask a quick clarification on that question. in 2015, oregon's minimum wage was $9.25 an hour. you talked about that being an entry level wage.

should it be higher or the same in 2015? >> minimum wage should probably stay with the program we have now because it is indexed. what we need to do is not focus on minimum wage, but focus on wages so that people can get beyond minimum wage. that tikes a vibrant economy. after three terms, we don't have that. our unemployment has been higher than the national average for 18 years. that's unacceptable. >> thank you. representative richardson, the next question we'll begin with you, in 2013 the legs layer or made changes under judicial review. the potential unreliability of the system remains significant. do you think additional reforms are necessary and what specific reforms would you make? >> this is one of those issues that keeps coming back and right now we're waiting to see that the supreme court does with the most recent reforms. by the way, those reforms contrary to popular behavior did not solve the problem, they merely lowered the increase. the way we can deal with it is

determine what is contractual and what is just of the decision of the legislature. not everything the legislature does is part of the employment contract. it takes the supreme court to make that decision for us. we need to maintain the contract so that our civil servants can live their lives and count on having a funded retirement plan. to do that, though, we need to solve once and for all what is contractual, what isn't, make the reforms if it's not contractual and honor the contract that we have to our retirees and our dedicated public servants. >> governor, i'll repeat the question. do you think additional reforms are necessary, what specific reforms would you make? >> the answer to the question is no. we remember that these benefits were earned by these people, often they were accepted in lieu of pay increases. however, because of the market crash and the losses in the fund, the cost of the unfounded

liability was taking dollars out of the classroom making it hard to fund public services. i led our state into a special session, rather difficult to do for someone from my party and address the issue in a fair and responsible way. i believe we have a strong case to win at the supreme court and i think that we have made a big dent in the unfounded liability. we need to move on to other things like raising the minimum wage, liken sure that we race the income quality in this state. the employees have taken a reduction in the system and it's time to move on to other issues. >> representative richardson, you have 30 seconds to respond. >> we talk about the crisis and it continues to be a plague to our state, but what isn't discussed is the problems with pers came about during john kitzhaber's term as the president of the senate and the legislature. he created the problem and now we're left to try and solve it. we shouldn't have had it to begin with, now we're stuck with it. we don't need four more years

of excuses and blame. >> governor kitzhaber, next question we'll begin with you. what are the fundamental problems with oregon's tax structure and as governor, what would you change? >> the fundamental problem with the tax structure is very, very narrow and relies on personal and corporate income taxes. the question is if we can't add that third leg, what can we do within the tax structure itself to make it more rationale. two things, on the bottom end, i referred to it early, fix the benefit cliff so that when people get more money in their paycheck, more money in their pocket to spend on the economy and spend on themselves and their families. job growth comes from small businesses that are growing rapidly. many of those small businesses when they are big enough they have a liquidity event and leave the state. a targeted capital gains tax reduction for reinvesting in those services in the state of oregon would be the second part of a reform package that i

would support. >> governor, thank you. representative richardson, what are the fundamental problems with oregon's tax structure and as governor what would you change? >> there is never enough money with government you have an addict and the drug of choice is money. so when you have the cycle, a boom and bust, recession and improvement in the economies, we always spend everything that we've got and then when we have the inevitable reduction, the recession, there is never enough money so we end up having to lay off teachers, cut school days. when it comes to our tax structure, we have what we have. there is going to be a change in that until the people decide to do that. we can look at other states and see what works and with a doesn't work. we can learn from the experiences of those states that have a growing and a vibrant economy because they have incentives that attract business and growth. right now what we have is barriers and a tax structure which has a negative impact on

growth. we have high unemployment and low development of innovators and entrepreneurs and inventors in our state. >> governor, kitzhaber, would you like 30 seconds to respond? >> i'm not sure what his response was. i'll add because of the changes in medicaid, we have added state employees. if we had school teachers as well by 2023, we will have cut general fund expenditures by $4 billion. we will have eliminated the structural budget deficit we have had since measure you're five so that's a part of tax reform basically. two sides to the equation, how you raise it >> governor, thank you, gentlemen. we'll return to the topic of health care. i won't be saying the words in this question. governor richardson -- >> we may need answers, though. up to you. there is a shortage of primary

providing care throughout oregon and not just communityings. and can we reverse the trend and increase the number of general state?ioners in our >> we're gonna have to change the model, not merely getting more practitioners. really need to do is turn to a team approach where you have doctors working at the youof their license and have nurse-practitioners and you have physicians assistants and willing those that are to make contact, good people withs and follow-up kroinically ill patients to make sure they're doing their meds just keephey don't showing up at emergency rooms. unless we change the way that we we'reiness in medicine, not going to change the outcomes that we have. in addition, we need to have incentives for patients to be consumers. right now, when you're a go in and it's like going to have a menu at a restaurant and there's no prices. yeah, i think i'll take steak

and lobster. is come upd to do with a system, and i have a plan on how we can do this, where incentive for patients to ask the questions as to why i need to have this mri, why it's and 1200 across town, and what about prescription drugs, high cost or generic. to have incentives for patients to be involved in their care. >> governor kitzhaber, i'll repeat that. how can we reverse the trend, of primaryo a lack care physicians, and increase the number of general practitioners in our state. >> i would substantially agree with governor kitzhaber's analysis, in which we have a million people enrolled out of a state of four million people. a teamally, we are using approach with a physician at the top doing what he or she can only do, because of their training, physician assistants, nurse-practitioners, we're focusing on prevention and a community-based management of chronic conditions where the and majority of costs are that does spread your providers an awful lot further.

is producing remarkably positive health kowt kowt -- outcomes and we tend to move this to the private sector, a game-changer for businesses in this state. it frees up massive amounts of money for reinvestment and human resources. so this is a huge success story the nationeading here in redefining and changing our model for delivering health care. exciting. >> governor, thank you. would you like 30 seconds to respond, representative richardson? >> just to continue this joint discussion, because we're in agreement on how we can approach ensure that the community care model does what it's intended to do, and that is moneyst how you spend differently and act like a managed care organization but actually work with individuals, them to see the importance of changing lifestyles and i mean, if we can help people lessen their smoking, lessen the problem, lessen their depencde-- dependence on drugs,n

help them not only have a better life but also have lower expenses that will help the system. refreshing to see some agreement here during campaign season. governor kitzhaber, we'll start you. senator ron widen has sponsored bill to double the timber harvest. some groups say it will allow logging, others will say not enough. where do you stand? between.ly right in everyone is going to be upset with this bill. i had a conference call with the senator and the representative last week. we're getting a new bill drafted this week. propose to meet again a week after that. there is a pathway here to allow responsible increase in harvest on those lands that still provides significant conservation. it's not impossible. are the certainty that whatever foot level is on,ved at, you can count and that we then bring some revenue into the counties that they can also count on.

know, this isn't about gutting the endangered species act. it's stepping back and asking ourselves, can't we do a better job finding a pathway to get more value off of that specific two million acres of land in itgon that certainly needs and manage that in a way that theatically improves conservation and gain that we can get from those resources. richardson,ative this again about senator widen's bill. where do you stand as far as it being enough or too much harvest our forest land? >> i think the bill is flawed, because once again, it does not that thecertainty timber industry needs. mills int over 100 recent decades. and what we have to show for it, promises, discussions and occasionally payments from the federal government. what we need is to be able to count on their being certain that can be utilized by our mills. oregon is a natural

state.e-based and yet, in our rural communities especially, we have depression,hing in because they can't utilize the timber. what we need is a governor who will be back in washington, d.c., who will lead a delegation of other western governors and bring our case to not only the but tosmen at present the national media to show that we cannot allow citizens, oregon, to be languishing in poverty and in our other when americans don't even know about it in the east. al americans, we need governor who will bring this to the people and not settle for byt more talk by senators or representatives. >> thank you. governor kitzhaber, 30 seconds to respond. we're doing a lot of those things in eastern oregon. stewardshipear agreement that has kept the last open and hasdaye fed the cascade mill, which is

actually adding jobs. is, there are creative things we can do to find that middle ground that improves the improves the health of the forest and keeps people back to work in the woods. we've done it in eastern oregon. we saved the last mill in your bytrict, rough and ready, signing a creative way to get a timber supply. work.gonna make it >> representative richardson, should undocumented immigrants driving privileges in oregon, as allowed under ballot why?re 88 and >> this is a very sensitive question, because it affects that, and the decisions are made on this, it really does have an impact on families and their abilities to attend to things, to have transportation. it very seriously. i think it's a mistake, though, drivingo grant those privileges, because we can learn from the experiences of other jurisdictions. had this kind of a program, and they repealed it,

bus loads ofhad illegal residents, immigrants, that were coming to tennessee so could get that government card. in new mexico, the governor, martinez, has said if she has the power to appeal it in new mexico, she would, for the same reason, that they have a certain number of immigrants in the boundaries of their state, but they've issued cards that are much more than the number that they have state. we need to learn from the experience of others. driving is not a right. it's a privilege. i mean, i've got a bunch of teenagers. i understand that it is a right.ge and not a >> thank you. governor kitzhaber, i'll repeat the question. should undocumented immigrants driving privileges in oregon as allowed under ballot why?re 88 and >> absolutely yes. first of all, it reduces the number of uninsured and unlicensed people on the road, so there's a safety issue here. but this is part of a much equity anditment to opportunity in this state. these people are working in

oregon, paying taxes in oregon. they're the backbone of our nursery industry, backbone of a agriculturalour industry. they're contributing to the state. they're hard workers. they deserve the right to be able to drive legally to and from work, to and from church, take their kids to school. nation that believes that we were all created equal, that we all have libertyrights, life, and the pursuit of happiness, surely it must include the ability to drive to work and take care of your family. issue ofis is an fundamental equity and equality. i believe very deeply that we should allow these individuals be able to drive. >> representative richardson, you have 30 seconds to respond. governor'siate the passion but the declaration of independence was not dealing illegal immigrants that are in our state and are here breaking the law. not an easy discussion. this is not an easy issue. but ultimately, you have to have principles. either we enforce the law and live with the law or we make

for specialptions people. it's the federal government's problem, and that is on the have to live with what we have here. do we allow people to have becauserights merely our hearts reach out to them, or to we have a law where we everyone?e laws for that's where we're at, and i believe that's where we need to remain. >> governor, we'll start with this question. should oregon employers provide to all workers, including part-time employees? why or why not? in a paid sickve leave policy. it needs to be a statewide oricy, not a city county-by-county policy. obviously it has to work for we have toesses and make sure it doesn't result in other benefits simply being dropped. is, ift of the matter you are a low-income worker in this state, you have no margin. leave to go to the doctor, if you get sick -- let's say they're on minimum wage. they're making 18, 19,000 a year and they get sick. that can devastate them, if

at a -- working at a they can restaurant, lose their job. will they come onto the state welfare system? paid sick leave is a rational we supportnse to how people in our labor force, particularly people at the low move up.ng to >> governor, should oregon sickyers provide paid leave to all employees, and if so, why not? >> yes, they should. but i don't believe it's the government's place to pass a law with thenish people threat of either confiscation or imprisonment for not keeping a law as determined by the government. i think it's what employers should do. myselfhat as an employer and i've done that for years in various businesses in which they've been involved. important thing for us to do. i think there needs to be training. be pub lis si about -- publicity about it.

but we cross the line when we say the government is going to pass a law and threaten people if they don't comply with the way the government thinks things done.to be >> representative richardson, this one starts with you. what is the state's role when districts, school for example, are unable or unwilling to fund things mandated by the state legislature? >> that's a huge problem. theof the reasons i ran for house, when i was on the city council and i talked to the other city council members, mandatese kept getting from the state on what to do with the building department, and they would tell us how to be they wouldn't give us the money to do it. mistake for a huge us to allow the government at any level to give mandates and show how it's going to be funded. i believe the government should local andrce to county government and not a dictator. i think we have room to improve and we should ensure we're not giving mandates they

enforce.ord to >> governor kitzhaber, what is the state's role when counties unableol districts are or unwilling to fund things that are mandated by the state legislature? answer.arts to the first is unable. thatagree with richardson we need to be very careful about things -- mandating things that clearly they can't pay for. question islarger when people are unwilling. what we have is a true public crisis where the property lowestes -- one of the property tax rates, people are unwilling to raise those rates enforcement. law it's very -- a very dangerous situation. we've passed legislation, that increase.y some it hasn't happened yet. our options are basically to send the state police in. at some point you have to ask, should the rest of the state be

essentially supporting the substantial safety services for counties simply unwilling to pay for it themselves? this one.swer to but it's going to not just affect that county. it's coming to curry county. it's an issue we have to take very seriously and try to address. 30representative richardson, seconds to respond. >> the reason that counties are not able to pay the expenses of as inforcement such josephine county goes back to our policy on timber. you have a county that has some 60% of its land controlled in can't cut it.y they can't develop their economy. they don't have the clusters we have up in the northern part of the state. what we need to do is to ensure resources, the income, the revenue, the economy that would allow them to make that arethe payments necessary. >> representative, thank you. governor, i do want to ask a quick question to clarify. said it is not an easy topic to tackle and not an easy

decision to make. but do you feel it's appropriate for the state to send state police to start policing these ares when communities unwilling to fund it themselves? >> no. thee already doing it, so short answer is yes. but the state police is underfunded, underbudgeted. and they're stressed, right? that's not a long-term solution unless the legislature is to really pump up the state -- you know, the funding for state police. if you're gonna be a county, there's certain basic services that the county needs able to provide. and state police is a short-term thegap measure but not long-term answer. >> thank you. the next question does begin with you. good transportation package contain for the next biennial? where would you propose the revenue comes from? short-term, i think the most likely revenue would be increase.of a gas tax unfortunately, that's not a long-term solution, because the

gas tax is bringing in less and money, as people drive less. so we need to look at a long-term answer. we have a pilot out there to we financeway transportation. alternative fuel vehicles i think will be coming. but we need to figure out how to attract private institutional capital of public infrastructure projects. have something called the west coast infrastructure partnershipch is a pi to try to do just that. called that the model is partnerships with d.c. they've done public infrastructure projects financed with private resources. the mostably is fruitful avenue, because we can't count on the federal government. >> representative richardson, what would a good transportation contain?

assuming it contains a revenue component, where would you propose that revenue comes from? >> infrastructure and a basictation is requirement of government. for instance, we need a bridge and we have a 100-year-old bridge going across the columbia river and we need to have that be a priority where the and the governors work together to come up with a system that's going to be able that willproject create a bridge and not just cronies get paid their money and that millions get wasted. we need to also focus on what called a statewide transportation improvement packages. state hason of the their own priorities. they need to have the funding. 23450edd to use -- they need to -- need to have the ability to have their projects well. as how do you do that? it's a combination of focusing on high priorities for infrastructure projects, not have them get whatever is left. and utilizing debt in a rational when you're fixing a bridge, it's a long-term

project. improvement.l and you need to be able to fund that, sometimes using debt. >> representative, thank you. governor? >> just one thing. i do think that by changing the contracting model, which is really what we're talking about, you can bring institutional dollars in. to build a bridge right now, let's say, it's a design build contractor, so you get the lowest bidder. a fundamentally different kind of contract. trillion dollar infrastructure on the west coast. we're not going to fill it unless we figure out how to agressively create that public-private partnership. it's critical to the public sector, critical to the economy. requires tolling, by the way. >> and it probably requires tolling. >> thank you. the -- thank you for the comments. helpideas would propose to

the counties that are well behind in our recovery process? vitally important that a governor be the ambassador for oregon businesses. focus onjust washington county and the great success they're having there. hasy area of this state attributes. look at the aviation industry here in eastern oregon, manned, unmanned. but it's not enough to have great products. you need to be able to sell those. a governor should be the ambassador for the aviation industry of eastern oregon. i've organized ten trade missions to china. as a legislature, i took legislators and businesses and we went there to help consumers understand that oregon is in business and we have things that they want to buy. we brought back contracts for over $1 million helped companies to expand and develop. what we need to do in rural deal with ourly natural resources but also make sure that our products are

expanded and sold internationally. >> representative, thank you. i'll repeat the question. propose towould you assist the economic recovery in the rurals counties of oregon that are well behind in the recovery process? onet's said if you've seen oregon county, you've seen one oregon county. regional whole host of counties. we have groups in every county, including this one, that essentially prioritize community and economic development processes. then we bring to bear state, not-for-profit resources. we have a four-year institution result ofht here as a a solutions process. the blue mountain timber project on the east side is another that.e of so we are producing tangible results rights now. remember, however, that the commo commonality is tg our natural resource infrastructure. marrying the department of forestry with the

of architecture to figure out how to innovate and buildings andory utilize theo resources we have here in the state of oregon. >> if we want to bring in new into our economies, then we need to be able to sell the projects. a specific thing that could be done, out of my governor, it as will establish a lieutenant focusor's position whose will be slowly on international trade, developing the relationships we need. a gateway to the world. we can sell our products if we have somebody that's working to do that and has actually established offices in our we havecountries where our greatest opportunities for exports. >> thank you. both of youmpliment for staying so well on time on all of these questions.

still, we have reached the point we are at our final question of this debate. governor, it begins with you. what are the first three things you will accomplish as governor that will impact the voters of oregon on a personal level? >> first, i will continue to expand the access to quality, affordable health care to will impactshich them on a personal level. secondly, we will continue to our early learning delivery system, which is going impact onhuge children and families before they ever get to school. and third, i'm going to implement the field standard, which is going to create jobs activity around the state of oregon, and begin to andrsify our transportation fuel opportunities, which will bring thousands of new jobs to the state of oregon, reduce the billions of dollars that we send outside the state now to bring in fossil fuel, and and better economic

opportunities for people. >> representative richardson, the first three things you will accomplish as governor that will impact the voters on a level?l >> first, i'm going to implement paid equality. women deserve to be paid the same as men for the same experience. governor's office has 79 for women for every dollar it pays to men. that's wrong. thing, equal pay for equal work, an equal experience for women. second, focus on education. we cannot continue to have an system when our graduation rate is second to last in the country. that is unacceptable. losing a generation of our youth. so i will focus not just on to go to college, because you have 100% of your on that, and 25% of the kids actually go. we need to make sure we have mentors, technical opportunities

for kids where we're using to helpnd trade sectors provide those kinds of training for those kids that aren't going go to college. we need mentors. every child deserves a mentor and an education and opportunity for a future. finally, we're going to restore thet in our state so that people can trust their state --ernment and >> we're running a little overtime. governor to give the 30 seconds to respond. >> first of all, it's charged that my office doesn't provide pay for equal work. it is categorially untrue. reporter has repudiated the way you have done this. it just seems to me a little cynical that you would discover equity for women after an theear history in legislature, where very few of the votes actually suggest that that.lieve in >> there you go again. >> gentlemen, we're going to move on to our closing statements. by the flip of a coin, representative richardson, you

minutes.e >> oregon is a wonderful state. i mean, consider for a moment you and your family. take yourself back 170 years ago, and you want an opportunity. about oregon, a place where there's tall timber waterep soil and lots of and land, a place where you can plant your roots and provide a your kids and grandkids. we call these people pioneers. you were that family, and you wanted that, and you put everything you had into a wagon the side of it, 2200ou start walking, miles you walk. why? because you want an opportunity, of freedom for your family and for generations to come. we inherited. we drink from wells we didn't dig. where are we now? we have high unemployment. we have low achievement in our

schools. we have a distrust in our state and in our government. answer? is the it always seems to be and qualify cases. more people300,000 on health care. we want to have good health care, but it always seems to be subsidized. what happens when you can't get a doctor? because now you have a card but you don't have the money to pay for your deductible and your doctor can't treat you and give price because the he'd be breaking the law. we don't need the government to we should bes how living our lives. if we want a legacy for our children like we received from those that came before us, we need to change the way we do business. restore our state. we need to reboot our economy. we need to reform our education so that our kids aren't next-to-last but have a world class education. deserve.at they and we can't afford to lose another generation. trust and contore

stan si in state government. i will do what senator widen is go to every county, every state every year and have the opportunity for people all over the state to bring their questions to the governor. have a governor who will help restore confidence, look to the future, and not be focused on trying to make defenses for what's gone on in we can dond hope that better. i say to the governor, you've had three terms, governor. it's threeball, strikes and you're out. >> representative, thank you. for your three minutes closing remarks. >> let me start by saying this race is about two things. and it's aboutes the ability to deliver. and values matter. i differponent and fundamentally about the values i think are important to this great state. differ on the issue of a woman's fundamental right to

reproductivewn embracingices, on oregon's diversity, and we disagree on the importance of oregon's environment and national wonder as the foundation of both our identity and of our economy. is a vastly better place now than it was four years ago. that's largely due to the fact that we did not allow the great recession or high unemployment legislature tear us apart. it reflects a change in the tone at the top and reflects that has been fought for and delivered for oregonians. we came together as oregonians the past four years and found common solutions to very difficult issues. our budget deficit and balanced the books with bipartisan. 25,000 newto create jobs each year and we have exceeded that goal. we secured huge capital investments in some of our industries. a four-year university right here in central oregon, brought two data centers

the expansion of the central oregon truck company. mills open.er and we're working together to irrigated water for agriculture. across this state, communities working ontogether, outcomes for kids, on kindergarten readiness, on third reading. we added $1 billion to our k through 12 school system and we the first tuition freeze in 14 years. today, 95% of all oregonians have health insurance coverage. tens of thousands of them, for the very first time. have to choose between the utility bill and taking their child to the doctor. together we have delivered for oregon. but we still have serious challenges. recovery has left large portions of our state behind. communities of color, people in of our state. meeting those challenges require two things. leadershipequires based on values and the belief that we are all in this

together, based on the belief that oregon won't be a good place for any of us to live for allt's a good place of us to live. it requires people to come together to tackle these problems as a community. we have brought our state back together over the past four years. delivered forave oregon. we're well down the road to a future.e prosperous we cannot allow ourselves to turn to the divisiveness of the past. this campaign is about values. it's about the ability to deliver. i'm john kitzhaber and i'm your vote on november 4. >> governor, thank you. this is a bit of a rarity in a debate. we actually have a little bit of extra time. so i'm going to ask you each one additional question. we'll ask you to keep it to less than 30 seconds. suggested oab members this to me yesterday. representative richardson, can you tell us one thing that you your opponent in this race? [laughter] >> the truth is, we get along fine. this is competition.

term.ts a fourth i think i can do better. so we'll both be glad when regardless ofes, the outcome. affablejohn is a very guy. i think that someone had it wrong when he was asked the between you and governor kitzhaber. and he said, i like people. like he likeseems people. decent guy. it's not about personalities. it's about the ability to lead. have a different background and a different focus on what state.ure is for our >> governor kitzhaber, one thing you like about your opponent? i'me're past the debate so not going to debate anymore. actually, dennis was one of the i went -- i actually walked across to his office when i was first elected governor. we had a divided legislature. i knew we needed to work together. worked very well together. hannah andarnie and courtney were largely the reasons that we took what

toxiced to be just a environment and actually made lemons, sot of those thank you for that. >> i appreciate you both ending on a positive note. that does conclude our debate. on behalf of the oregon association of broadcasters and voters of this state, i want to thank both of you for being at home for everyone for watching, tuning in. i will remind everyone watching at home, the last day to register to vote is october 15. election day is tuesday, november 4. your vote does indeed matter. thank you so much for being with us today. [applause] student cam2015 competition is under way. this nationwide competition will award 150 prizes totaling $100,000. documentary on the topic the three branches and you.

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