yesterday and ratified at 5:30 in the afternoon. i believe we are several weeks away and we are hopeful. know you. williams, i as well as jill and others have talked about specific actions -- president,l from the a petition over 100,000 people have signed, what specific actions do you feel will truly be effected in gaining andrew's release that we can advocate for here? and as a to apologize ranking member, i want to say thank you for your service. 11: -- 11:05.w

the president needs to make the call today. if you are not going to call -- call this woman. father,an's child is a i need to say something else i did not say earlier. the reason why i jumped out and decided to become public -- this is not about me -- i have a daughter right now who is going through cancer treatment four-year. she's in her second round and came back. the worst of it the last couple of days. june has sentnce a prayer to my family every day for my daughter. those who wonder why i'm here, this is a father and a mother who have to ill children and i know a lot of us who have suffered from posttraumatic stress don't like to use that term. but if we use it appropriately

and use of the right way, it can be treated. it is an illness. i would beg the president make that call. if that can't happen, i would beg that maybe this committee, we issue a joint statement to the president in mexico and say the world is watching. it's time for you to act. >> thank you all very much. the chair recognizes the full chairman of the committee. >> i want to go to sergeant buchanan. i think all of us are hopeful your friend andrew will be back here soon, but what advice would you give him and us on how to best approach his ptsd treatment? that questionsk of mr. heck since he is a veteran and works regularly with

those who have gone through what andrew has gone through. >> thank you for your question. he needs to be with his brothers . the guys who trained with them, deployed with them, know what he is going through. it doesn't matter what rent or what your job was, we've all warned the uniform. readjusting, something about him is his humble attitude. he'll always wants to help. willof the problem is he help other people before he helps himself. started though the a treatment, he was just at the beginning getting diagnosed. that's the first of many steps and it's a long process.

we need to get him in there, get him with his friends, and start the healing process. it's the last thing a combat that needs. >> you mentioned the trade the united states made for taliban leaders, including the former director of intelligence for the taliban. senior commanders and one was chief of staff. he was implicated in the death , all ofands of shia them were involved in coordinating attacks against american coalition forces, and

three of the five were directly linked to al qaeda. the united states has taken an action to get them released. one of those five told a senior telegram official and this was nextted on the news, his step would be to return to attackstan to carry out against american and coalition forces there. let me ask you your thoughts on this and what can be done in order to secure the release of ?ergeant tahmooressi >> knee and my those men in guantánamo for a year. this is personal for those of us who serve in those combat zones. boots orhe number of

on the ground who sought those men and locked them up so we don't have to face them again and then to know our government is willing to give them away. a rose garden ceremony with a family of someone who everyone knows who has looked at the case deserted his unit. ms. tahmooressi doesn't get a phone call. your phone ande call the president of mexico and get this done will stop it's not lyrical, it's personal for people who do it. it is peer to peer counseling, it's talking to the menu served with and often times at the ba, .here is alternative therapy you talked about your rocker see sergeant jones and sergeant smith's are trying to

access mental health care at the v.a. at made to wait weeks and months? do you know how many mothers i meet on the road who say i lost my son to suicide as he was waiting for treatment at the department of veterans affairs? another instance where our nation turns its back as lieutenant commander williams tradingbout -- deserters for terrorists and making veterans wait for basic care is unacceptable. you, mr. chairman. the chair recognizes chairman smith, chairman of the subcommittee on human rights. >> thank you. i think this hearing perhaps more than anything else that has happened so far will give additional help to andrew and hopefully he knows the strong bipartisan support, the concern and prayers that go out for him

-- i would just say to mike colleagues that i am not -- to my colleagues that i'm not .urprised and i am not shocked montel williams made a point about pick up the phone is president will stop this at calling -- this is calling friend and ally with whom we have a robust trading relationship. duty ondereliction of the part of the president that he has not made this phone call and put the four -- put the full-court press on the mexican government not to release andrew. i was chairman of the veteran affairs committee and served in the committee for 26 years, including as chairman. -- this argument has

-- theyugh they care have written the book on how to care for veterans suffering from post-paramedics dress disorder. delay is denial. it also needs to be pointed out to any service connection disability be it physical or psychological causes that condition to fester and worrisome. to appeal to the mexican government today is very simple and very direct. release andrew now so they can procure badly needed treatment for ptsd. he is a hero. he is a man that congress looks up to and he says thank you, yet he languishes in a mexican prison. fund programswe

and to oversight. it is the executive branch that and thatt contact phone has to be raised to his ear and he has to not get off the phone until andrew is released. testimony andul to hear a mother make such an articulate and strong appeal on three of her son and has distinguished americans do so in a way that has to be heard, it has to be heard at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. it has already been heard by members of congress and my colleagues have done yeoman's work. you to duncan hunter and so many others who have done so much for so long that the president has to do his part. plane has to be on a getting the health care he needs. >> i would like to recognize the

former chairman of the full committee and a great american, the gentleman from loretta. >> thank you. to follow-up on a few things we discussed when we met in miami. i am aghast you have still not heard from the white house. do you play golf? >> no. >> i know you are a nurse at miami children's hospital. that's just walks away from the biltmore. should we invite him to play a few rounds of golf? mysk for a statement from constituent -- they are parents

of a marine veteran, john hammer, who similarly was arrested and detained for weeks and weeks in mexico it is an absolute shame, it is a disgrace that we need to be here. it says quite a lot about the priorities of this administration. it should not be up to the wounded warriors come in to the families and the friends and mr. tahmooressi has so many friends to wage this awareness campaign and press government the administration for andrew's relief -- release. i want to ask about the process you have to go through with the lawyers in mexico. i'm recalling some of the things olivia had to go through because it important we recognize the similarities between the cases.

turnoressi took a wrong and ended up in the twilight zone and we must get him back. that conflict is prohibited from advised -- from providing legal advice but does give some help in finding a suitable lawyer. to god olivia have through a number of lawyers before you can find a good and trustworthy one, is that correct? could you describe the process you went through to find your lawyers and the consulate provided you with a list, but was it a list of that at individuals or was it here's an abbreviated version of the old-fashioned yellow pages? finally, i would like to ask about andrew's health and his injuries from afghanistan. ask the panel for their recommendations on how we can better serve our combat veterans who return home.

andrew has suffered at least two separate concussions. they don't get the immediate attention they deserve. the alarming number of veterans who take their lives every day, we need to do more as a society and government to address this today. i will start with you. if you can tell us about the process of finding a lawyer. , iwhen i got the phone call did the responsible thing and reached out to my congresswoman, debbie wasserman schultz. rivas ande to george

he said go to the website will stop there is a website in tijuana mexico. andarted down the list reached out. he answered the phone and he spoke english. 10 miles away from san diego, yet there is a language barrier. this lawyer spoke english and was u.s. trained. he was listed as a criminal defense attorney. i thought ince -- was getting a reputable attorney and he was honorably the most scrupulous and exploitive person i've ever met in my life. he served in the disclosure statement before the judge as andrney and translator scripted a missed truth. he scripted a missed truth.

he perjured my son. he scripted a missed truth and told andrew that this is mexico, forget anything you know about american law -- i believe we sent $100 million to mexico in the past couple of years to help them reform their judicial system. this is an attorney that told andrew he must say that he just ,rrived in san diego that day he was rushing to meet a friend, he's never been to mexico before, and he got lost. when andrew called me that afternoon and said mom, where did you get that attorney? he just lied and he told the judge i've never been to mexico. i stood up twice -- the prosecutor was there, the defense attorney stood up twice

to say no because he must have attorney toldthis him to sit down and when i called up this attorney that night and said you said what? i said my son has been to mexico and my son never lies. my son has some faults, but .ighting has never been he is a man of integrity. he says you have to forget everything about america. we do not press upon the law. we do oral arguments. they are not going to check any evidence. they are not going to pull bank accounts -- i pulled his bank account and i see he's been in tijuana twice. i got validation he walked into mexico with his friend who is a purple heart who invited him to san diego.

within hours, they were already in tijuana. there must be a popular lace for marines to visit. he told me he walked out of mexico that day and when he got in his truck to head back north to san diego because he had stayed in a hotel the night previous, he was headed back because he got triggered in tijuana upon nightfall. he got triggered and thought i need to get out of here. with themy experience first mexican attorney. his original court day that she had to go into court and say judge, i request this attorney no longer represents me. receive with the lies.

that was my experience selecting an attorney. manhe grace of god, a great -- he heardlifornia me on a radio station or tv and he called me and said jill, you don't know how to pick mexican attorneys. we are going to pick an attorney. department,he state we met in their boardroom and we , ad lee's provide us a list rank list as we typically number one, provide is a short interviewing at least four to five different firms and selected mr. anita is the next day.

>> the chair recognizes the gentleman from california. -- the gentleman in california. >> thank you very much to all the leaders who have divided their time and effort to make sure this hearing was an incredibly significant hearing that is happening and let me mr. tahmooressi for sending me a tweet the other day for something i did not even notice was going to happen for we are defining ourselves today. actionne ourselves i our -- andrew defined himself in a time of war. he joined the united states marine corps. i come from a green family. i know what that means.

know andrew did not do anything intentionally wrong stop i went to tijuana and i retraced his steps when i drove out of the parking lot and made a turn to the left, i can testify that it appeared i was going into california. when she make that turn, there was no going back until you were in mexico. any was not caused by intention to in some way not respect the law of mexico. that is very evident. today, mexico is defining itself. us.co is defining itself to i have a warm spot in my heart

for mexico and i think i'm speaking for most of us here mexico we look at as a friend. i hope the people of mexico are listening because if this thing is not cleared up soon, there will be hostility that they do not deserve being heaped upon them because they will be proving themselves to us that they are not our friend and we should not treat them that way. heroey treat an american like that, we can no longer treat mexico as our friend. i would hope in a very short time, we can celebrate together with the people of mexico, with you and re-cement a friendship. and it will all depend on whether they do the right thing we are defining ourselves, the president is defining himself shame on

president obama for not making a 30 second telephone call to the president of mexico. he is the commander-in-chief. that means he's the commander of people who volunteer to fight our wars will stop if they don't think he cares nothing about him to make a phone call, are they going to feel betrayed? they are being betrayed. recommend -- i understand the president is in washington today. that we not wait for the president and we put a conference call into the president or that today, within the next half hour we call the white house and personally request each and every one of us go and see him and have a meeting to talk about this case.

enough. gone on long if the gentleman will yield -- i would just relate myself as , and meetingalmon with the vice president relayed that request that the president to make the phone call and its white appropriate for other members here likewise to contact the white house and make that request stop >> we went to the second guy and not time to go to the guy on top. would ask my colleagues to join us today in a telephone let'sill stop finally, hope and pray -- our thoughts travestyyou, this is a that a brave hero has been treated like this. the unitednt of

states is not doing his duty. let's act on this. thank you very much. like the gentleman from texas. sergeant tahmooressi, a marine. he exemplifies exactly what i believe ronald reagan said about the marines. there are two groups that understand the marines -- marines and the enemy. i think that's a true statement. hearing to me is more about the way america has handled this situation of your son. it is an example and a symptom of a bigger problem our marines and soldiers who have testified have talked about. idea that the government

release five terrorists who killed americans and are on the battlefield again doing the same , they are in guantánamo. you have been to guantánamo bay prison. people need to see what it is like. it is not a mexican jail, it's a lot better than a mexican jail and we have learned about the mexican cars -- mexican incarceration system. as a judge, i learned a lot about it at the courthouse will stop but a prisoner or marine being threatened and assaulted while incarcerated is wrong. no matter who he is, whether he's a mexican national or american. we know it has occurred, but still, months later, there he is. during that six months, this is not about president.

he has had the opportunity to make a couple of phone calls string that six months. 3 the men's july soccer team to congratulate them. he congratulated the san antonio had -- san antonio spurs had coach, so he can make those congratulatory calls. let's make one more and make a statement to the mexican president. i have sponsored along with the , sponsoredresolution by 81 members of congress that calls on the mexican government to release our sergeant. we hope we can get this by action adopt did before we have to take a vote on. maybe contacting the mexican president is something we ought

to be doing. that is one avenue we are going through legally to try to get something done. been excellent witnesses. you do not hedge on anything. i wonder why there is no witness from the state department, why they are not testifying about what they are doing or not doing about the marine we have been talking about? commentr williams, your going back to about this is bigger -- it is a symptom of other things. our veterans coming back, how they are treated, waiting in i am not very i.t. savvy, but i am getting constant tweets, i think they are called from citizens in texas complementing you and demanding congress to something about our marines.

37 young men and women killed in iraq and afghanistan from all races and all branches of the service stop their photographs are on my wall here in washington as are many other members. we are not forgetting this marine. we are not forgetting any of whether they were killed whethern or wounded or they come back with the wounds of war as you have talked about all stop the american public stands with our military, all of them because as it has been said, the worst casualty of war is to be forgotten. forget thoseing to who come back and we are not going to forget sergeant tahmooressi while he is in a

mexican jail. it is long past due to come back. i think i am out of time. i have some questions, but i will ask you later. comment i just make one ? i want to thank you for bringing house resolution 620. 80 members of congress have signed on to this, but unfortunately, we need to get this to the floor. it would send an incredible message today to the president if the house and congress would at least call a vote on this. what you stated, the american public knows about sergeant tahmooressi, but i don't understand what's going on at the political level. two governors have set down with the mexican president and neither one has raised this question. i was in a meeting yesterday with an individual who is a grand funder of a lot of

campaigns going on across this country right now. he sat with the president of mexico three or four days ago when i said why didn't you tell me that? i would have called and asked you to do so but they will -- we are holding this hearing today, most of the american public has some weird idea that he must have done something wrong and that's why you are not backing him. when you talk about the fact he made a wrong turn, people have to understand submitted as evidence in the mexican court right now is the video of pulling uphmooressi to the checkpoint and they gave him a green light. he could have entered the tontry, figured out a way get one back every week. he could his hands up and said i made a mistake. that right there is clear enough for anyone to understand, this is not us -- some people claim

he had to do something wrong. this is not getting a soldier back to his done something wrong, this is getting a soldier back. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from pennsylvania. >> i want to thank you all for being here. , to you and your family from my family, we pray for your family every day. i ask unanimous consent to enter into the you record a letter i dated july 10 of 2014 to the ambassador of mexico to the united states of america respectfully asking for the immediate release of sergeant tahmooressi. can i have this letter entered into the record? i did not receive a response.

assist thed i will chairman in any way needed or anyway they request to continue to work on the release of your son. as lieutenant commander williams son andu and your veterans deserve more and we need to see that is accomplished. i apologize for how inappropriately you have been treated and i apologize for the inappropriate letter of concern -- i am truly disappointed in that. the president said on numerous occasions that he has a henan the phone and he can do what he

wants. to use your pen in your phone to tell the american -- do you keep repeatedly telling the american people you're going to use. i am disappointed you have to be disappointed that vets have not receive the appropriate care they should be receiving in this country. the president needs to step up and show the proper attention. our allies in the mexican government need to step up and do the right thing and do it immediately. >> the other gentlemen from texas, mr. stockman, is recognize. congressman matt salmon and his efforts through all of this. ahave to say if your son is

gun runner, he's one of the worst ones i've ever seen. think he brought enough to make any money. it is so bizarre -- this whole thing is upside down. he is unbelievably over there and i sat with the counsel oferal and gave him a stack papers on your son and i said this is going to grow into something really bad for both of our countries and you continue to hold our hero. compassion. we all the time in texas -- we come across the border -- we have them come across the border accidentally and they were shooting 50 caliber machine guns at us and we let them go and.

friendship i our i ams is so disturbing and puzzled by it. i hope this committee in the future reconsiders the amount of money we are sending down there. i don't think we should keep investing in friends ike this. we have friends like this, we don't need enemies. as i seely frustrated the lack of compassion on their side and i see compassion on our side and we just want talents. there are some other people that have not been announced that have come up on the hill on your appear-- a marine can and spoke on your son's behalf, larry ward from special operations has been appear -- sam bushman has been appear with his organization on your behalf office hase from my

been pushing very hard and anna marie hoffman has been pushing. we tried to struggle and do something but it feels like we are pushing against jell-o sometimes. it seems to fall on deaf years. we talked to the president's people and it falls on deaf ears. we have nobody from the state heretment here -- you are and that's great, but there should be people here that can hearing this powerful testimony and they are not here. that is disappointing to me personally because of a long run, this will do damage to congress and to the institution of the presidency -- there is so much silence -- the silence is deafening.

are heroes from every standpoint and we continue to be silent and it's very disturbing. is there any more we can do outside of what we are doing right now that would move the process forward? i would like to see more than 81 signatures on house resolution 620. if you could reach out to all your colleagues -- i believe mexico would find that if therey intimidating , butore than 81 signatures thank you for all of your oforts and coming in out session to hear about andrew's fight for freedom in the fight of our veterans in america full >> the chair recognizes a former veteran and congressman

from florida. friend.ar >> thank you for holding this hearing. sergeant tahmooressi is an american era who fought for us with honor and distinction with accordance to the finest distinction of the united states marine corps. himself languishing in a mexican prison for six months. his imprisonment is unjust and his length of detention is a disgrace. beenitnesses here have phenomenal. i've sat through a lot of congressional hearings and i want to apply this to you because you have all brought tremendous insight into this issue and i think it will help educate the american people about andrew's plight. me -- is inexplicable to this should have been resolved long ago.

people have mentioned we would like to see help from the white house -- this is the law of the land right now -- whenever it is made known that any citizen of the united states has been unjustly deprived of his liberty by or under the authority of any foreign government, it shall be the duty of the president forth with to demand that government the reason of such imprisonment and it appears to be wrongful, in violation of the rights of american citizenship, the resident sat -- the president shall forthwith demand the release of such prisoner. the president shall use such means not amounting to acts of war or otherwise prohibited by law, as he thinks is necessary and proper to obtain or effectuate the release will stop all the facts and proceedings relative thereto shall as soon as practicable be relegated by the president will stop i am not aware of the president taking any action to bring our marine

back and i don't think we have received any information in congress about actions that have been taken. president, we have a man down. pick up the phone and do your job on behalf of our marine. [applause] i think it could be solved very quickly, but i do think even though it is the president duty ended all on him, we do need to not justcongress and in press releases but in actual votes. means we call up house resolution 620 and we voted out of the house of representatives say to mexico we send you hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign assistance. that money stops until our marine is brought back to the united states. [applause] we need to stop talking in this

town and start acting. i am glad you called this hearing. like to see more action and there are more things the president could do. we have a lot of leverage we can use to secure our marines release and needs to happen as expeditiously as possible. >> i would like to say for the record that when we go back into session, if our man is not back him we will be moving that bill and we will be moving it out of the subcommittee. to workvery intention with leadership to get it expedited on the floor as quickly as possible. i have a sneaking suspicion and an optimistic view that good things are going to happen very fromand, congressman florida, i know we have heard that before, but i have reason to believe maybe some optimism

might the in vogue right now. i recognize the jarman from florida, mr. young. but i want to thank you, chairman and mr. hunter for the stellar work you have done. thank you all for showing up -- i agree with everybody appear that you guys have done a great job. -- the storyssi you are telling exemplifies only the love and concern a mother or parent can have for a child will the things you have shared with us are great. i did this, mom i scheduled my solo flight, and you went through this whole list of stop the last one i cannot read because it's too disturbing, but to hear the excitement of our kids, mom or dad, i did this and

then to have this turnout, to me it is unconscionable we have gotten to this point. throughng we've gone with our relationship to mexico and it has been brought up, they get $300 million a year in foreign aid. they are a trading partner and ally and eight don't send their young to defend freedom as we do. interesting how you s and turns the path we make in life often lead us to the wrong direction. how many of us have may wrong term that has had this consequence in our life? had thisturn that has consequence in our life? i see a young man that went down there who made a wrong turn, realized he made a wrong turn,

goes to the security guard and says i've made a wrong turn, i want to go back to america and, by the way, i have three guns. i'm telling you what i did stop if you were doing that to smuggle them in there, you would not say that. was a mistake and a wrong turn. i need to let him go and for our up, tont not to stand heand his release, negotiated and released -- i of the illegally, five all-star players in the taliban and team for one of armoring. i'm always happy to get one of our soldiers home of a but if we can do that and he can do that, he can do this. just ask for him to be returned. we do not want to make an

international incident out of this. we want our son, your comrade home. i as a u.s. congressman apologize that one of our citizens came into your country and made a wrong turn i apologize he made a mistake and i hope you find in your heart the ability to forgive him and .elease them i just want to thank all of you that have served. we are well aware of the suicides that happen every day in this entry and we need to get them back and get them treated all stop i thought it was statedting that it was it was a medical emergency.

if it is true then, it is true now. the president should use his pattern and bring this man home. we are with you and we will do whatever we can. >> i recognize the john from california who is a veteran who has worked tirelessly on behalf of sergeant tahmooressi, a great guy and good colleague, duncan hunter. >> thank you, everybody for coming out. we don't call it the marine corps, we call it america's graincorp. marine who fought for .very single person they say it is your marine corps, america's marine corps.

frankly, i'm tired of the lip service. i watch the president give speeches. is just lip service. he does not care. secretary kerry does not care. the state department, for all the little things they have done, they do not care. people in this room care. when they trust or lives to the u.s. military, you gave your son up for your country and he did it illegally and probably -- he is a stud. he is a young killer and that's why he joined the country.

see what they have reduced him to in mexico and read the excerpt where he was tied red eagle and beaten and threatened, that is appalling. this is not yemen or somalia, this is supposed to be one of our number one neighbors, mexico. i would advise everybody we don't allow our marines to go to mexico. in san diego, not allowed to go to mexico. ,exico is more than rosa rita cozumel, and it's not a. in mexico, they make five dollars a day. that is their new minimum wage. it is not a first world country and there's a reason we do not allow our marines and sailors to san diego.o from they do not get leaves therefrom and pendleton. andrew does not just deserve this.

he has earned it. 1% of the u.s. population who has served in the .ilitary he has earned this attention today. he has earned this. this is what we are here for. this is why we are in congress, to represent people like him some -- to represent people like him so we can fight for him when the president won't. what kind of low margin we have to set for this president when we have to ask them to make a phone call? he ought to go to those mexican golf courses and get him out in person. a commander-in-chief should go to hell and back for one of their men or women who has been left behind. i have a question for the panel. would you allow your marines or

soldiers to go to mexico today? no, congressman. >> negative, congressman. >> would you allow your son or any of your friends or kids to go to mexico? >> it is too dangerous. i would not stop fax in 2011, when afghanistan was raging, you likely to bes more killed in mexico than afghanistan. afghanistan was safer than mexico was. this does not sound like a good neighbor. it doesn't sound like a neighbor with all of our corporation so they can have i've dollars a day laborer in mexico. still am -- still andrews

chance and i think montel that that right on the head. they stole his chance. by getting rid of this case and they at least, set him on a slow uphill path to being healed. montel, you are dead on. this is much worse than half of the stem. you probably want to serve two or three tours in the most horrible, dirty combat face onerous than sit in a third world country jail. thank you for what you are doing. god help us if we cannot get one of our own back out of the clutches of a not so great government like mexico. [applause] i like to recognize the german from florida, mr. jolly. i think each of you for your service. myself withsociate

the comments of mr. hunter. we are elected to work and actually get things done. panel haser of this run against the dysfunction of washington. when we are elected, we don't have the luxury of resigning ourselves to dysfunction. we have to work. that means putting your name on important pieces of legislation like house resolution 624th. the issue is leadership and the facts are as clear as they can be. we have established we have to get andrew homan the president has not enough. israel.tly, pts about getting andrew home, but we've talked about a very important condition, and that is pts. walk us through very

briefly because i have a couple what youons, as a mom, noticed in andrew as pts began to progress in him? >> he got out of active duty in october of 2012. he pretty much immediately enrolled in emery riddle and was accepted in gender -- accepted in january. it is hard to acclimate from the battlefield into a college environment, especially when you have a difficult time relating to your peer group. having a difficult time relating to the peer group, he would see a classroom full of people his age will stop they were disrespectful and got up and left. as a marine, you definitely bow down to authority. he started getting aggravated and frustrated and was having flash backs, having a difficult time sleeping and would wake up screaming.

we would hear him wake up screaming. restless nights and agitation ansys mission. and progressed he did cap hypervigilance of self-defense. called ahad what i hunter, pray system -- syndrome. to me, he was always .ypervigilant 13 is when he purchased his concealed weapon. wenthotgun in 2011 when we to alaska but then felt the need to have himself armed with a handgun. being a marine, he carried a rifle and was responsible for the biggest gotten on the battlefield, the fifth he caliber. so when he made his third -- second purchase which was his third firearm, the rifle, that made sense to us.

we knew that was his tool of the trade and kept him alive. this. me posit we know we have the waitlist. i have had a conversation with a mother like you. theweighted treatment and waitlist. what do we need to do more to go ? >> as the congressman said, the late care is the nine care. it is great if you can get in but if you cannot get it, you did not get the treatment you need. we have to hold leaders accountable. we have to hold transparency. we need to give veterans a choice. if they cannot be seen in a timely and are, why can't they go to a private facility? introduce a little competition. >> one last russian. me made ans

extremely powerful statement in your opening statement. that you could not counsel your son. this appears to be a failure and with fashion leadership. my question for you is what do you need to see changed to find yourself in a position to say yes to your son dr. to say it is ok to put on the uniform and carry the flag? i have beencourse extremely vocal. i am not going to let up. i have given the president and the last bill the 90 days requested. apb my mouth shut for another 34 days. at the end of the 35 days i am not going to stop. all the claims in the bill passed, so far i do not believe they are being implemented.

just the fact that our shall the shoulders were supposed to have the right to go and visit outside the hospitals and get assistance we cannot get it. that is not happening as quickly. giving a car to go say cs civilian, each one of days -- to go see a civilian, we need to be with our brothers. the simplest and this body could do, authorize the veterans to go to dod facilities. those facilities to see the troops. this is where we grew up being treated. why should we not be treated by the then people right now. empowered the people to stay with their guys if they want to, but if they need immediate assistance elsewhere, but the individual in charge of their own health care. thank you. i yield back. >> i think the gentleman.

this hearing has been a fantastic hearing. i noticed a few short hours ago you were in mexico setting out by the courtroom as ordered by the judge in order to support your son and now here au suck -- here you are as tireless advocate and wonderful example of what an american mother is all about. thank you. god bless you. all of you panel members, your service is truly humbling. think the consensus of the panel discussion, which focuses on a brave soldier who gave his country his everything, it is a lot broader. it is about do we stand for those who stand for us or not? do we stand for them?

to thee reference veterans administration. we checked $17 billion. on herly pat ourselves back like we have done something stupendous. in the past 60 days the calls have not stopped. not in my office. not with caseworkers. i do not see anything changing and i do not see anything better and i am dubious it will get better until major changes happen and a major change within our country that we really do care about those that care about sent into harms way. this is a case of a young man who served our country crowd place who is suffering -- probably who is suffering from ptsd and now suffering in a mexican jail. i implore what the commander-in-chief should do and

that is to use everything he has got to get this young man home. i for the government of mexico to do the right thing. laws are there to provide safety for its citizenry and to enact justice. we know what justice would be. justice would be to have this young man home and being treated. that is justice. that is compassionate and justice. i thank you for being at the hearing. members-- thank the from coming from around the country. this hearing is concluded. god bless. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014]

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projects agency. the house intelligence committee chairman mike rogers. this is three hours. >> this is the fourth year that the post has had a cybersecurity conference where we bring together government, defense, state department, homeland security, and the business leaders all together to talk about cyber theft and cyber espionage. and the challenge over this years has only intensified. the u.s. government and companies are now investing many billions to try to secure what is valuable and what, by virtue of being connected to the internet, is vulnerable. there are a lot of bad

actors. they are great hackers. what they are stealing is everything from the next plans to as fighter stash of credit card numbers. that is forcing on easy alliances between government and the public sector. that is one of the things we will talk about. how do secure what a company, what the government, what each on online isut becoming more and more relevant, because more and more of our lives are online. our devices are connected, our cars, our medical devices. we have a remarkable group of people from capitol hill, from boardrooms, from research labs to talk about how to make our l ives online more secure. so i encourage you to tweet questions and comments to#wa

shpostcyber. if you are in the room, you can send a question up to allison at the question desk. what a better way to start the morning than to talk to the director of darpa? defense advanced research project agency has a long line of breakthroughs. from computer networking to stealth technology to gps. its a $3 billion budget mission is to prevent technological surprise to the u.s. and to create technological surprise to our enemies. but we welcome darpa's director. [applause] darpa.now running but she has been back and forth

from the government sector to the silicon valley. in has had many huge jobs both sectors. president clinton appointed her the director of national institute of standards and technology. part of darpa as a manager in office director. she held huge jobs in the private sector. at u.s. venture partners. so, perhaps the woman with the coolest job in the city is going to prefix playing what darpa's role is. >> thank you very much, first of all, mary for the chance to be here. i think it is great to shine a light on this topic. you set about darpa a minute ag o, is correct. we were created in the wake of sputnik. we did not want to experience those kinds of surprises anymore. we like creating them instead. that's what darpa is about. the internet is one of our

babies we are very proud of, but it is a fractious teenager now. todays still about breakthrough technology for national security. in cybersecurity, during the day, i think you will hear from people who are fighting these battles about how we keep ourselves secure. i'm grateful for the work that is going on today. our role is different. what arere asking is, the technology concepts that can fundamentally change the ground rules and give us a way to get of ahead of this explosion talent? >> give us some good news. teams.ds people in what are they working on that will tame the unruly teenager? >> i will give you three examples. things we are working

on is how to completely reduce the attack surface so it is harder for hackers to find ways in. including embedded systems. >> ways -- >> in ways. how many ways in. a second example is we are looking at a really interesting new challenge -- the cyber grant challenge -- to find out how we could have automated system to fight defense. i do not think we will able to keyboard ourselves on the head of the problem and throwing her people out is not going to work. so the cyber grand challenge is interesting. how much money do you get if you win? >> the first fine for june 2016 is $2 million. >> what do i have to do? have signed up.

what we are in the process of doing is building a basically cyber warfare in the boxed. a new operating system. it is going to be like capture except wet defcon, are creating a league of their own for machines to fight it out. >> i would have to create a robot. >> right. a set of programs. >> the whole goal is that what? instead of human error about detecting viruses, it will be automated? >> yeah. y point ise ke we need to get to a point where in machines.ection the attacks are happening in microseconds. so, today, really all we can do is patch and pay and keep

throwing him and said the problem. we are looking for a fundamentally different way to get faster than the pace of the growth of the threat. >> this challenge. who are the people who sign up? >> we have been excited with the people who have signed up. we have got this enormous range of talents. eye-poppingvery names. >> tell us some eye-poppers. >> i do not know if that list is public. >> all the more reason. tell us. >> my big opportunity. i will tell you where the website is. whatever is out is what's public. >> big silicon brains. are they kids? >> when you look across the 90, you'll find people that are all of the above. you'll find some superstars that are big academic names, people from companies, people in the

hackers community. >> in addition to this, again, i think people are looking to darpa. you have come up with some huge things like gps. this is the unit that some of your other all-star things, the touch screen. >> if you look at your smart phone, it is chock-full of technologies we helped start. some of the materials in your touch phone, the chip that sends the radio wave to the cell tower . siri started as a project. that was groundwork that we did, and private investment came behind it. siri and tellk to it to secure the networks? >> if you could tell is that, you should not sleep easy. >> we are going to go to some audience questions to see what they have on their minds. in general, again, i think when you see how we are going to

secure a network, by the end of 3is year, the u.n. says billion people will be online. because of the internet of things, machines talking to machines, there are 10 billion objects. this is just getting harder and harder to feel we have privacy but also we are not going to be robbed, whether it is trade secrets or credit cards. so, what is the big answer? what is the big thing you're looking for? >> unfortunately, there is not is going to be a silver bullet. again, there are pieces of this that we think and become tractable. the internet of things. dod. our military systems has a computer or many computers. we are living the internet of things with these embedded systems. one of our programs is finding ways to build software that is unhackable for specified security properties.

what that means at that. a is that there's mathematical proof that this particular function cannot be hacked from a pathway that was not intended. so, that is not going to solve the entire problem, but especially for embedded systems that might have a more manageable, a more modest number code, that is tractable through this method. that is an example of reducing that attack surface, making it harder for people to come in. >> how do you keep the bad guys from getting unhackable software? >> let's start by making sure we are secure. >> isn't a lot of the defense department's mission to be offensive? we are getting inundated by russia and china, but we are also out there offensively. you will getpe

into policy questions around offensive cyber. take a slightly different direction. one of the other problems i think we are seeing is just the vastness of the information space of the internet environment. we love it. we use it. it is also a place where bad actors hide what they are doing. another one of our programs is designed to find those kinds of hidden networks. >> how do you do that? >> start by creating a different way to look at this information environment. a simple example -- a project we have been doing working with law-enforcement. be ableis was we might to find a way to find hidden networks that would reveal a pattern that relates to human trafficking. we started working with law-enforcement. thated that their use of information space, how they explore that information space,

is exactly the way you or i wou google.a search with it is a single threaded walk. searchway, it feels like engines are indexing everything, but in fact they are only indexing a very small fraction of the total public information out there. they're indexing what is optimized for advertising revenue. but they are not going to get all the material that might be of interest to law enforcement. our tools build deep cores through the web, to look for these hidden patterns. the first project we did, we were able to find a set of phone numbers that were very heavily linked to each other in back page ads where a lot of the sex trade is advertised. we provided those numbers to law-enforcement. we gave them 600 numbers. we do not know anything about these numbers but they are linked to each other. law enforcement found in that

list 466 numbers that tied to criminal violation. they also found numbers that tied to fund transfers in the region around north korea. they are working on finding human trafficking networks. aain, we did not give them smoking gun, but we gave them a powerful way to start grappling with this -- the sheer scale of the information. >> when you look at the cyber universe, what percentage of it is a hidden black-market criminal activity? >> i don't hthink we even know. there is a huge amount of the internet that is not indexed. is not readily available through the way we think about accessing it with search. now, a lot of that is completely the mind. fruitfulegal and ways we use the internet. that is one of the great mysteries.

information is so vast that we do not even know. >> do you have a guess, 10%/ >> i don't know. i have seen reports that a very significant fraction of network traffic now is bot nets. those could be benign bot nets, just automated programs that go out and do something on the network. >> malware. >> or they could be malignant. we know a lot of it is machine generated right now, which tells you something about scale. >> we will go to allison for audience questions. you hear me? > >> talked a little bit about patching andyou pray-- patching and praying. can you talk about the process being made unclean sake technology, the idea of rebuilding the internet with security in mind? >> i think patching and praying does work. it is the best thing we have

got. we must keep doing it. we think we have got to get beyond it. it is a losing game. one of the questions we asked was if we ddid have a clean slate, how would you rebuild system to make a more secure? one of the ideas was inspired by the reasonse one of the human race has survived plagues and ebola and other infectious disease partly because under the skin there is a lot of diversity among individuals. attack cannot wipe out the entire human race. similarly, we are now finding ways of building complex network information systems where under is hookd each one different. it changes the economics for the attacker. instead of one attack that can wipe out one thing.

it's not that exciting for the attacker. the hard part is how do you not make that assistance administration nightmare. how to have things diverse under be able to be maintained seamlessly is where the challenge lies. that is an example of bringing the methodologies back to the workspace. >> go ahead. more? darpa being created in the wake of sputnik. >> i think one of the hardest challenges about cyber is we're trying to wrangle this problem while the information explosion is continuing. you talks about 3 billion people on the internet. 7 billion on the planet. we still have more to go. as we move to the internet of things, there will be more and more elements connected into our

information universe. the moon shot for cybersecurity techniques that scale faster than this explosion of information. again, i do not think it is going to be a silver bullet, but a combination of these fundamental advances. has the potential to get us to a where were -- not never have a problem, but where it is manageable. >> when do you think that will happen? when will this unease, that we are under attack every single day? when will people feel more security? >> i think will happen in pieces. it is only happening. our most particle systems get the most focused attention. moreer within dod or throughout our economy. gradually, i think we'll will achieve this greater state of cybersecurity. i do not want to be glib. i think this is technically

challenging and it is challenging from a practical and policy perspective. so, that is the work that is ahead of us. >> their has been a lot of talk lately that it is time, the internet is of age. it's a a teenager. there needs to be some kind of global body of regulation standards that would issue an early warning system. what do you think? e to create some kind of body that has some kind of standards? now we know there are certain countries that are really off the grid. >> that's true. i do not know the answer to that. i think people know a lot more about the policy aspects. the one thing i would just think about when you go down that path is to recognized how dynamic and fluid the situation is. because the power of of information technology and the reason we put up with all these problems is that it is phenomenally capable for all the

things that change how we live and work and how we create national security. you do not want to cut any of that capability off in the process of building this underpinning for cybersecurity >> so the defense department in general, and your outfit has a bigof priorities, a lot of issues. right now the hot when you are working out is staying in front of infectious disease. tell us, how does securing the internet and cybersecurity rank in priority? >> it is one of many efforts at darpa. i think of it as a foundational piece. a couple of other major things we're doing. one is about finding ways to wrangle biology and turn it into useful technology. one example is work we are doing to outpace the spread of infectious disease. a problem that has a lot of resulemblance with cybersecurity threats. those areiology,

problems recently cannot wrangle without using the power of the data and new information tools. if we do not have that security we that trust in systems, will not be able to solve this other really different class -- >> we heard from the head of the cia and the head of the fbi that there is nothing that -- with jamming capability and hacking capability, you can take down critical infrastructure. you can do an enormous amount of physical damage and the theft and intellectual property. i guess i'm trying to figure out if we are hearing from one part of the government that it is such a big threat. so, now, like the big brains in here who are working on it, how hard are they working on it? >> pretty darn hard. don't worry. let's be clear. e'sional security is a, ther' not a single problem that if we

solve it, the country can sleep easy. yes, it is an incredibly critical problem, but it is not the only problem. i think it is important to keep that in mind. i think it's foundational and we are going to have to deal with it because of all of the other national security challenges if we are going to build a new generation of complex military systems that can overpower a future pure adversary. that is critically important. it also relies on cybersecurity capabilities. i think they're linked. i think you have to be clear that any of these issues that we deal with --cybersecurity is a piece. >> and break through. aen we do hear this is breakthrough on cybersecurity, presumably it will be out of here unit. what is the core of what we will see? it will not rely on the security of individual people. it will be automated? >> to give you an example, we

are working on ways of building systems.e embedded i hope you'll see that rolling out into automobiles and the commercial sector and uav's in the national security context within dod. those will be new techniques and practices that get adopted by people building the systems. you might see, i hope after our cyber grand challenge that you start seeing automated cyber defense systems that become commercial products that people who are worrying about their own security can purchase and start using. >> one thing, the same type of grand challenge led to driverless cars. >> the urban challenge was significant about a decade ago. could a vehicle navigate without a human being through a particular environment? if you want to find the number one, two and three teams, you

should visit google. arench of those folks there. a great example of using the challenge and letting the technology go out into the world. a lot more work has to happen after we show it is possible. it is great to see that happening. >> thank you very much. thanks. thank you. [applause] and now i want to welcome my colleague who actually has won two promise surprises and is one of the most well-known and respected journalists and national security in the united states. she is going to interview the chair of the house intelligence committee, mike rogers. they are going to talk. an all-star panel from justice, state, and defense. thanks, dana. >> good to see you. >> thank you, mary. thank you for coming.

>> good to see you. >> i know this is on cybersecurity, but i wanted to start briefly on white house security. >> look at the time. get briefed on these intrusions. ore there been somem intrusions we have not read aboute? obviously, this is of concern. there's two problems. one as many know, the static security footprint is always the most difficult. a state of maintain readiness. there has to be some reviews of how they continue to test and audit that system in real-time to make sure it is functioning properly. clearly, i think the level of readiness decrease when the president was off the ground, which should not happen but did. it will have to do a couple of

system. by the systems working, are they appropriate? number two, then you have to start asking the hard questions about the culture. is there a cultural management problem that allows that to happen? that is a more subjective list of questions that congress will have to ask. will rely on reporters to get into the details. >> i look bad in those orange jumpsuits, and makes me look very boxy. >> cyber security. has aas shown that it cyber communications capability that is much more sophisticated than al qaeda started out with. attacku seen them government systems?

>> we have not. we have seen other organizations have reached out and tried to find individuals that have the right capabilities to put together a cyber attack capability. we watched that happen. we have never seen them put it together to where they could penetrate or do cyber disruption activities. aspirationy have the to do it. they have advertised it and they are recruiting networks. i do not believe that they will pose a threat in the cyber realm like we see in criminal enterprises. qaeda apostate the ability? >> they are trying to put their capabilities together. they spend time on the public relations portion of the operation and the use social media in an incredibly effective in, a way you have not seen

the past. the islamic state has upped their game and used that tool as only to subjugate people to their violent political ends, but to use it as a recruiting tool. that part is dangerous. i do not see them engaging in a cyber attack mode, if you will. think thed -- do you united states is trying to counter that in a way that is an they didive th with the al qaeda cyber communications? >> i do not. thehe social media side, u.s. government using its abilities has really pushed back in a way that i think we have the capability to do and should do.

>> why is that? >> we wrestle with the policies of what is appropriate and what is not. we should have that debate. isshould make sure it appropriate when you step out on taking offenses actions. want you to walk away thinking the intelligence community is not doing anything. we are not using all of u.s. capability when it comes to our cyber capabilities to disrupt their ability to have these recruiting tools that are very effective. >> does that mean decisions for threshold offensive attacks are still being debated within the administration in a community? they have not gotten those signs clear? >> i assume you're talking about offense of capabilities. no, we do not. we do not have the policies

down. we debated a lot. i cannot tell you how much time we spent trying to figure out the way forward. part of the challenges the government has 15% of the networks. the private sector holds about 85% of the networks. the nsa is not monitoring those networks, it is not on those networks. the only way they see anything coming in is from the outside. most of the offense of talk is from the private sector saying i have had enough and i am going to do something about it. what we have done today by doing nothing in congress is telling these 85% of the private networks you are on your own. you have nationstates who are targeting you, who are ravaging your networks, but you are on your own, good luck. trump the reluctance of a private -- >> you would be surprised how far away we are from understandable policy on what offensive operations look like and should be.

>> i do not understand that. >> think about the public debate we had after the nsa contractor leak. most of it is wildly inaccurate. the narrative is the nsa is reading all of your e-mail and listening to your phone cause. politicians use that on the campaign trail. that is an easy thing to believe if you are not exposed to understanding what the rules of law and what the parameters we sat on our intelligence -- we set on our intelligence agency. attribution is a problem. you do not want to reach onrseas and flick someone the four head if we are not sure they were the perpetrator of the particular event. private sector, some are better

than others. there is a mix out there. , some couldo it not. you could create a storm of which the rest of the network is not prepared to handle. an uptick inensed counterattacks against the united states, either because entities or governments perceive the nsa is actually acting more offensively or in some cases is? >> we have seen trends that are dangerous. we need to get this right, very soon. thatas the public reports iran has been probing our financial institutions. we know they have the capability that allows them to have

disruptive attack so they destroy data when they get there . they made 30,000 computers paperweights. all of that information, non-extractable. they almost put a company at a business. they have been probing u.s. financial institutions. that is a problem. a nationstate has made the determination they are using of using that way as their political tool to influence or damage the united states. >> can you quantify that? a dozen probes, hundreds, thousands? area of in the hundreds. we have seen a fall off because we assume that is they are waiting to see what happens with the negotiations. the fact they believe they could do that without any problem or consequence is another serious issue for us. the latest round, according to

public reports, that the russians were also flying around or attempting to get into some of our financial institutions, and the question is -- why? the way they were doing it might raise some questions. was it designed it to be disruptive or destructive in our economic fabric? it was believed they made that decision based on the fact that they were having the sanctions imposed in they believed if you are imposing sanctions on us, we can use this capable tool to cause you harm in your economy. this is a new, dangerous form of warfare. , as aited states whole, is not prepared to handle. the russians can flick a switch and the internet can go down. we do not do that.

these 85 percent of these private sector networks and puts them at the whim of nationstate capability in cyber and that trend is concerning. >> can you talk about the evidence for the link to the sanctions? is it a guess or something better than -- >> as someone who reviews this, , youieve the timing of it pair that with public reports, i clearly believe the russians had harm,ent to cause some some disruption as a result of those sanctions. that is why i think this is so dangerous and important to get right. >> it was the russian state, not russian independent hackers. >> that is getting harder to determine. d fsb has interesting

relationships in their hacking community and in the international organized crime community. sometimes it is hard to tell the difference. >> what did they manage to do to disrupt? >> i am not at liberty to discuss who or what their efforts were other than to say, according to public reports, it raised questions on what -- was that there to monitor transactions. you can let your imagination roll here a little bit. any conclusion as to the bad. >> i am letting my imagination roll. monitoring financial transactions between russian -- between who? toi cannot get too close that. it was enough of an alarm for me

to ramp up our efforts to say we esve got to put our defensi in place. and flick them in the fourehead? the attack will not necessarily come back to the u.s. government. our services are good about getting the threat matrix and applying that to the protection of our networks. the is only 15% of networks. 85% does not benefit from that information. that would expose them to this attack. they are not likely to come back . they are likely to try to come back in the private sector networks to cause harm or take

control. >> how many times have you flicked someone in the forehead? again, part of the problem is the notion of what is an offense of response. i used to say if you're going to punch your neighbor in the nose, it is best to hit the weight of months couple first. if the federal government wants to take offensive action or disruptive action, even in response, it is not the government that we are worried about. we can hunker down and put the helmets on. it is the 85% of the public networks that are exposed and they will not be ready for what comes next. that says i amio

ready and i can beat anything that comes, time to find a new cio. our noses just above water. the best of the best are trying to keep up. talk about industry. --your bill >> i had a conversation with senator feinstein. we have a small window to get this done. it is not impossible, but the political challenges makes the hurdles high. aly in the senate can you tie fisa issue with a cyber bill and it together. we are trying to unwind the political tantrums, if you will.

this, and sinister -- and senator feinstein shares this, if we do not get it done , wehis lame duck session will have some differences, but we think we can work them out in a conference committee, but it starts over. the clock starts over. , will be leaving as chairman you're going to have -- it will take time to ramp it up. we have asked house members to vote on this issue because the political narrative is wrong on what is going out there. there is a lack of understanding of what the threat is. it could be years before this gets done. that is why we have heightened the awareness about how important this is to get done in this brief window we have left, if we are going to have any

success in trying to push back what is a growing threat. you have criminal organizations that have nationstate capabilities that we did not even a year ago. this is only going to get worse. the bestos could be thing that ever happened to get stolen off the clock. think about be sheer threat damage, youromic lights go out and they do not come back on. we have some significant challenges here that we are not prepared to handle. "we are l leave it on getting worse." thank you for your time. >> thank you. we are going to enlarge our stage here.

first, we have christopher carlin.and john rosenbach.ic we have all branches of national security represented here. confirmed by the senate last week as the assistant secretary of defense and global security. int is a wide path of stuff global security. ciber is one of those things, but i am the principal cyber advisor to the secretary. something the senate put into law last year to coordinate the things that go on cyber-wise. i want to start with you because -- >> first victim, right? >> why think about military and

homeland security, you think about bright red lines about when the military can participate or not. ciber does not have bright red lines. -- cyber does not have bright red lines. where are your limits? >> we think about that a lot. there are no bright lines. we do not do domestic cyber operations unless with the national guard. there is more leeway there. is domestic, it is always the department of homeland security, or fbi in the lead. cybercom orher nsa will provide support. there are some ideas that it asuld be nsa or cybercom opposed to dhs.

there is a good relationship. we know with the roles and responsibilities are and everyone understands what their places in the game. it is a team sport. we work in our different positions. >> what can the national guard do? you said they are the exception. severalent the last months thinking about the role of the national guard. we made the decision to build out the structure of cybercom. we had cyber warriors, the special operations command for cyber. we recognize we need to learn how to use the national guard. i went to washington state and i met guard members who worked for microsoft, but work for the guard on the weekends and in the summer. they bring a lot to the table. they have a unique authority set. they can support the governor first and foremost.

we want them to be part of the cyber force, but have the unique role that the guard does in helping with other civil homeland defense issues. >> is that a new policy? >> in this analysis, we outline what the role of the guard is and will be building structure behind that, giving them requiredthey will be to be up to the standards of the cyber mission force. it is good and positive. this as ayou use backup investigative force? they are much bigger than you are. >> i was hoping to get the question of what is my title. john has much broader responsibilities. unitederms of the

states, that they lead in terms of investigation and prosecution would be the fbi and department of justice. fbi has set up a center and we have mastered acronyms. national cyber investigative joint task force. force."k it has capability from every agency, secret service, law enforcement, nsa, to make sure that when you do the have alltion, that you of the information in one place so you can figure out who is that actor, where is a coming

from, what can we do to stop it. military end up using assets to help you in the investigation quite a bit? in some ways, i have to do for that. in my experience, in the usual criminal case, as we focus on nationstate actors and a looking to see terrorist groups, i think the fbi has significant capabilities that the prior director said were leaving and direct the -- and director cohen me has said he sees as the -- d irector comey has said he sees as the top priority. we are focused on what we would attack was

successful to try to build resiliency. how do we figure out who did it to stop them from doing it again. >> anytime you talk about cyber, it is invisible to the public. that is one of your challenges. can you make it more visible and quantify -- are you seeing more -- quantify the increase we hear there is an cyber attacks in the u.s., both against private sector and government. framework which fits with common sense and experience of the world is -- many parts of this are good. as a nation, we have put almost everything we value into cyberspace. our personal information, financial information, the way that we operate our critical infrastructure -- it is digitally stored and most is connected to the internet. the flip side is all of the same bad guys and same activity we

have seen for years in the brick-and-mortar world is going after where the money is, where the secrets are, and where they can cause damage. we are seeing the number of criminal groups trying to target increase. nationstates are developing it as part of their strategies. there was a recent estimate from 300 -- they said estimated the economic loss to be in the range of $300 million of lost intellectual property, which equals our foreign exports to asia. that chairman rogers put out, looking out one attack, someone wanted to do something destructive with a not particularly sophisticated, was able to wipe 30,000 computers out. there was a good criminal take

down. an infection infected hundreds of thousands of people's computers. the criminals were using it for profit. they would lock you out of your files, you want to get them back and you pay them to get them back. it does not take imagination to put out a videotape, saying what the intent is, to cause harm, if they get access they are going to use it to destroy as much information as they can. >> you are inside. you see these. yes, we are seeing an increase. >> by how much? how do you quantify it?

>> you see an increase in the number of reported incidents. >> this is an invisible threat to most people. about whytle confused the government does not make it more clear. ?hat has been the increase >> there are many ways to measure the increase. white-collar crime issue. i used to prosecute those cases. until you investigate and work dig, it is you invisible.

we are seeing the increase in reporting from all of our private sector colleagues. the intelligence community can say we are seeing an increase in the intrusions that we see. the commong back to sense, that is where the information is. we see large amounts of information being taken. we put additional resources into shining the flashlight. >> one of the problems, and i have been doing this a long time, it is hard to quantify hidden, often. the reporting is not perfect. we do not know a lot of the intrusions that are never reported. not just in the united states,

but around the world. sometimes people are more ,illing to tell response teams private companies gathering the data, then they are willing to report to law enforcement. that is driven by a misunderstanding of what law enforcement can do for them. we are getting a better picture, but the danger of trying to quantify is difficult. we are seeing more serious attacks. because people rely on the see morey more, we dependents and when these attacks happen, and has more consequence. about intellectual property, one of the challenges is, when your physical asset is taking, it is not there anymore. you do not understand when your trade secrets are taken, you do not understand the long-term consequences. quantifying that is a challenge. >> do you think there is a

snowden hangover in terms of getting private tech companies to cooperate with the government? see apple and google encryption as a way of saying we are in penetrable. is that having an effect in being able to ask people to help out and tell us what is happening in your company? >> the private sector is getting better. the government is getting better at sharing information. we need to do more, faster. >> there is not a reluctance because of the nsa revelations? >> at the same time that was occurring, you had the target , and i seehome depot an awareness of the threat at the highest levels of the

company, in a way that we have not seen before. and that good thing leaves them to think about what do i do if i have been intruded upon? what do my shareholders and customers expect of me. you have a response plan to go to law enforcement. you see the president chairing chairingty -- the security council. there is a need to do that where it is taking place, which is social media. the third phenomenon is the one , speaking not to as a national security prosecutor, but as someone who did domestic violence cases, you heard the attorney general yesterday speaking to

the global alliance that seeks to protect children online and saying it would be unfortunate and we're going to need the cooperation of companies that when you have a search warrant for a state and local police officer, that you need to be able to serve it. that is a debate or discussion we need to have to figure out the right response. >> can i ask you the same question? can you tell us how international partners share information on terrorist cyberattacks? >> not just terrorists cyberattacks. one thing we are focused on doing is working to build partnerships. .e work with ndoj one of the things eric said in the beginning, one of the things i have seen in the past