where do you stand on it. caller: right now i'm in severe pain, totally disabled and i've been seeing the aim doctor for 15 years and that doctor said she herself has investigated this and she has patients that she says she will automatically give them a prescription. come on, i got friends of mine that they got on oxycontin. these people are zombies. .. but if they go out and smoke a joint or get medical marijuana, which a bunch of them have gone to colorado and got it, they come become and stop taking their drugs. the doctors are amazed. my doctor was amazed. these prescription pills are killing people. and there's a certain part of this society that is saying no, no, no, but the doctors -- come on, even the one doctor on cnn was against it forever and now he's the one standing there going wait a minute, this can help people if you do it the

right way. host: richard talks about medical marijuana. you may have other issues. keep calling with those as we take a few minutes to talk about secret service. it was at the white house where the white house press spokesperson josh earnest talked about the issue of the resignation and also talked about when the white house learned about that armed security guard, the armed security contractor who rode in an elevator with president obama. >> i can tell you that the white house first learned of that incident yesterday afternoon shortly before it was reported by -- before it was reported by the news organization. >> she did not tell him about that? the agency did not tell the white house about that? he didn't know about it yesterday? >> until shortly before it was reported publicly. >> and that's a problem, right? >> well, i would -- i think

the -- it would be accurate for you to assume that when incidents like that occur, that there would be a pretty open channel of communication between the united states secret service and department of homeland security and ultimately the white house. host: it was "bloomberg news" that managed to get an interview with julia pierson and it was cowritten by wilber. she is a white house correspondent for "bloomberg news." hello. tell us about this interview and how you got it. >> it was my colleague who got the interview. dell has a longstanding relationship with the service and was able to get miss pearson on the phone yesterday for the exclusive interview. host: what are some of the things we learned? how did she react from the resignation and everything we saw in the news yesterday? >> she decided it was time to

go, that the noise was getting to a level where it was too much, where it was going to be a distracted shun if she stayed. she figured it was the right thing to do at that time, given the mounting criticism that had really yes sheen doed after her testimony two days ago. host: what did she say about tear tenure and oversight of the agency? >> she served for 31 years with the service, and while she was only the director for 18 months she broke the glass ceiling by being the first female director of the service, and that's a big deal in a service that is extremely male dominated. host: she talked a little bit about her time, 31 years with that one agency, a rarity i guess as far as that line of work is concerned. what else did she express? >> she is hopeful for the future of the agency. there, of course, is an independent review that is going to be conducted by the department of homeland security, which houses the secret service. they will be looking at the

fence jumper and the other incidents, and to be clear the problems with the agency predated her becoming the director. the agency had already been under criticism. she was the one that was supposed to clean it up and the challenges maybe were a bit too much for one person to fix in a year and a half. host: so now that she is out who is overseeing. >> the temporary replacement is joseph clancy, a retired agent. he's returning to government service coming out of retirement. he's not thought to be the permanent next director of the secret service, but he's someone who will tide it over and yesterday in the white house briefing press secretary josh earn esmade it clear mr. clancy has authority to make changes during the time he's in the role if he sees that fit. host: what does the white house say about its trust in the agency itself? >> you heard the one story from josh earn es, but what you looked at talking to other people what's the level of trust

there? >> what josh said yesterday was telling. up through yesterday morning, the white house had been saying they had confidence, it went from full confidence to confidence, they were still using the word confidence in the agency. yesterday afternoon obviously things were completely different. and the white house obviously has great trust in the agents who work hard to protect the president and his family but the overall agency i think is where the problems are, the organization, and the individuals work hard, josh even yesterday afternoon was careful to praise the men and women of the secret service for doing their jobs well and protecting the president and scores of other heads of state at the un general assembly a couple weeks ago in new york, but there have been these lapses that led the president to lose confidence in the director and to obviously be upset at the lack of communication between the service and the executive.

host: there are a couple lines in the paper this morning that there's a possibility the next head of the secret service might come from outside its walls. >> certainly could. the most recent director came from within, but sometimes when an agency needs change which it sounds like what is being asked for here they bring in someone from the outside. we saw that with the veterans administration earlier this year, where sheen secondy left as director after a more prolonged debate over whether he was the right person to reform that agency, and president obama brought in somebody from the private sector, the business world, to lead the va. we could see a similar sort of outsider replacement here. >> host: as someone who travel toss the white house regularly do you notice differences in security? >> yes, there are extra

barriers, like bike racks, set up ten feet outside the permanent white house fence and they have signs on them that say police line, do not cross. so that's the very temporary solution to the fence jumping incident. one more barrier but sort of like a large hurdle to cross before you would get on to the white house grounds, but it's not a terribly attractive solution, and it's critically important that the service balance access, not only for the press and for people that go to the white house regularly but more importantly for all the ordinary people that come and visit washington and want to see the white house, balance that with security of the president and everyone else inside the complex. host: what about the points of entry doors and the like, do you see more secure it presences around those? >> i had an opportunity yesterday to walk through the door where the fence jumper got in the day that he breached the white house, and i did note there is a lock on that door so they can certainly lock it if they want to, and i would -- i

don't have firsthand knowledge but i would assume the alarm system that was apparently turned off that night won't be turned off like it used to be, so at the doors of the white house it's not different because to get to the doors you go through several layers of security already. but there is always measures of security with the secret service that are not obvious to the naked eye, either. host: angelo keane to talk with us. before we let you go, a little bit about the president's speech on the economy. what do we expects to hear and where does it take place? >> today the president is in chicago, will be speaking at northwestern university, and he'll be talking about the economy in that speech. we've got just about a month to go until the election, so one of the messages that the president is sounding as he tries to help democrats hold onto the senate is that the u.s. economy is good. there's lines in his speech that we've heard before, and we'll likely hear again today, about how the auto industry has

recovered, there's less unemployment, and one of the things that we expect to hear today is a message that the u.s. economic progress is better than that of other nations. for sure the economy is a concern of voters, so we can expect to hear this message between now and election day, as well. host: thanks for your time. >> thank you. host: you heard our guest mention november elections coming up. we're asking you in the first hour to talk about social issues. if they are on your radar, if they influence your vote on election day. and here is how you can let us know, not only if they do or not or what your issues might be. (202) 585-3881 for republicans. (202) 585-3880 for democrats, and (202) 585-3882 for independents. doug from indiana, republican line, thanks for holding on. go ahead. caller: good morning. thanks for having me on. my issues are not -- none are

social, sorry i'm hoarse today. none are social because before obama, before bush two, they've all had their bully pulpits. they could have made major change. and with our tax code overreaching of the federal government, they're in the taking care of the job that they're constitutionally supposed to be taking care of. protect our borders, foreign policy, and they're supposed to promote general welfare, not provide it. host: sorry about that. lois, south bend, indiana, democrats line. caller: yes. my issue is social. host: go ahead. caller: i don't believe that we should have any more immigration, there is another guy up here, and since president obama let all these kids come in here this summer all these kids

are sick now. gay marriage, no. we have to have some kind of law, people say it don't affect me. yes. and in the bible, you -- they even protected their border back then. you just can't go around -- i would rather if i could get away with it, you have to have laws. you can't just say well i do this. and then everybody going around smoking pot, pot -- you just can't have this. there's too many people in this country already, and this country is flooded with illegal people. this is not the american i grew up in. i don't know it anymore. host: chuck is from michigan, independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i'm calling about some of the social issues, how they're falsely made up.

for example, some of the social issues as far as the voter suppression, that's falsely made up by the republican party. i've been in the republican party since i was a kid. my parents were in the republican party in michigan. i went to teenage republican camp year after year when governor milliken was the governor, who was a great governor. but to me, i wasn't to be a republican, i wanted my kids to go to camp just like i did, but they've turned into the clue kluklu kluxklan party instead oy of the united states. then they try to take the -- they play tricks with wording, you know, they play tricks with the constitution and they word things. they interpret things in such a way to cover up their agendas of racism and cover up -- you know, if they would tell the truth it

would be fine, but they constantly lie, same thing like with obama, they twist and spin everything, same thing with the leader of the party, rush limbaugh, hitler limbaugh, they twist and lie about everything. host: that's chuck from michigan. here is joe from new mexico, republican line. caller: yes, i'm calling you about gay rights marriage rights. it's my belief that i am a republican and i've been around gays since i was 5-years-old. it's nothing new to me. i believe civil marriage is all right. religious marriage in a church, no. bible preaches against it. and i'm dead set against it. if they want to marry, civil ceremony, that's fine. i could care less much. host: what about those of the same political leanings as you, what do they think of your

opinions? caller: probably not much. host: it's oat of oregon, gay marriage has going an issue for the senate candidate. she put out a recent ad taking a look at the issue of gay marriage, here it is. .. [video clip] >> one of the couples who filed suit against the state of oregon. >> there is a lot of work left to do, whether it's standing up for equality, for the unemployed, for the next generation, we need leaders who have the courage to do what's right. that's why i support monica webbie for senate. >> i approve this message. host: dr. webbie came to the attention of the family research counsel, as well as the national organization for marriage and citizen links, they published a leader and sent it to republican leadership not only talking

about her, saying they couldn't support them for the issues of gay marriage and the like, that they have taken a little bit from the letter. it says we believe the republican candidates should embrace the full spectrum of conservative issues that have defined our party since president reagan led us to a victory. virginia, democrats line. caller: yes. i have always been a democrat. i come from a blue collar family. my husband is military but i would say also probably the last couple years i don't see myself really aligning with one single party. one thing that i am getting very frustrated about is that it seems like america getting so tied up in these things, gay

marriage and things like that, there's bigger things going on, like our nation's security. people like my father who have spent their entire life working and now for social security he doesn't get one-third of what he earned all those years. and you know, i just get really fed up with government not being able to get the simple things done. and as i told the gentleman before, you know, our government, you know, i love america, but you know, why is it that our government cannot get the things done they need to to keep our country safe? and even something as simple as the issue of ebola, why not say i'll travel is shut down to west africa? if you're not a person who really needs to be there then you don't go there. host: sandra from massachusetts, independent line. caller: hi. i have two things. first is the fact that when they stormed the white house inside

was one of his daughters. two, i also am against what they're doing because they want to put boots on the ground but they don't want to put they own feet on the ground or any of their children. their children -- they never touched the ground. their feet never touched the ground in the war. host: because we're talking about social issues in this hour, kind of see if they affect your vote, does that register with you at all? caller: yeah, of course it does. i think the hypocrites and i want to find one in the bunch that turns around and thinks of us and our children, my child has been in the service 29 years. my brother served. everything. when are they going to stop taking the sacrifice? our sons and daughters, human lives, anthem selfs not doing anything to protect these

children. host: that's sandra from massachusetts, the story about marines being deployed to kuwait. if you go to the pages of "the washington post" this morning, they have a poll that takes a look at various issues, but when it specifically comes to the handling of isis it says the poll shows a 50% approval rating of the handling of the islamic

state compared to 44% of those who disapprove with the president's handling of it. caroline, illinois, republican line talking about social issues and campaign 2014, if it affects your vote what do you think? caller: well, as i told the other gentleman, people are going to smoke pot if that's what they want to do. they did it with liquor and it got legalized, and they're still killing their selfs. so as far as the social issues, you know, live and let live. just because someone is gay, that shouldn't have anything to do with your life. you know, you should live your life in a straight-line and take care of your business, and the biggest problem is people do not get out to vote. host: chuck from florida, good morning. independent line. caller: good morning, everybody. the first thing that struck me this morning when i saw the

topic was -- and you showed the poll was that the bottom three things that concerned people were the social issues. i think people have pretty much made up their mind on these things, and they really are concentrating on the bigger issues. and that's a good thing. as far as social issues go, you think about those bottom three items, and those three and probably another dozen social issues have -- it's like we've thrown the time tested over the thousands of years rule for society out the door in the last hundred years, and it's -- it comes a largely from the democratic party. to see those three things at the bottom of the list really in my mind is bad for the democratic party in the next upcoming election. people can't help but, you know, they know where these issues

come from. and the democratic party is the ones that are hoist all these big changes on us. host: his is the poll that chuck referenced, with the top issues being economy, health care and terrorism. if you go to the bottom of the poll it's when you see as far as support and concerns issues of a brings, birth control and gay marriage. david from grand rapid, michigan, democrat line. hi. caller: good morning, everybody. my biggest thing is i'm going to vote for anybody that's willing to raise taxes on rich people. i love politicians that know how to separate their church from their state, and all politicians that understand freedom of choice meaning women's rights and anybody that doesn't take any coch brother money that's what i'm voting for. host: the relationship between doctors and payments made by industry to doctors, this is a

story by jean whalen, saying the analysis shows $3.5 billion in payments in the last five months. you can see that in the "wall street journal" this morning. hello. caller: yes. my concern is the government period. we always have to remember the bottom reflects the top.

so therefore, it affects federal, our state, right on down to our personal communities. and i think it is time that our government serves the people, and the social issues the bottom three as far as i'm concerned those are all personal decisions that people have to make for themselves. and one of my major social issues is the warmongering, and are monies spent going to war over in the middle east. those people have been fighting for millions of years. that is what has hurt our economy, our money has been going to warmongering. that is why we have such serious deficits. i guess that's all i have to say. host: as far as when you talk about these issues, say you're talking about those who vote and are active in this thing, how often does the topic of social issues come up? caller: the topic of social

issues most of the people i talk to as far as marijuana goes, it's -- as far as i'm concerned most of the people i talk to say it should be legalized, heaven forbid. i don't know of anybody that has murdered anybody on marijuana. i know many people are killed in the state of wisconsin and especially around graduation time because beer is such a big thing here, due to alcohol. but i've never head of anybody being murdered over marijuana. as far as gay marriage, well, wisconsin is pretty tight on that, as far as i'm concerned. that's a moral issue between those people, not me, as long as they don't approach me i don't have a problem with them. live and let live. host: and that's ann from wisconsin. one more story to show you from "the washington post" this morning. it takes a look at the november elections and how wall street is monitoring it.

here is the headline. we'll continue on our -- that's the story from "the washington post" this morning. if you've been watching this program we have been on a regular basis talking to the presidents of big ten universities. that series continues today. we will have a conversation with penn state president, and he'll join us next. but i do want to let you know about a cup he'll vents coming up debate wise as campaign 2014 continues on.

and that's part of our coverage here at our campaign 2014 web site. it's well under way. we're covering more than a hundred debates for control of congress. be sure to check the c-span coverage for more coverage. the democrat, and also other coverage when it comes to governor's debate, the nebraska's governor debate, the republican and then that you can see that live tonight at 8:00. minnesota governor's race also something you can already see on our web site, three candidates involved in this debate. it was last night, democratic governor mark dayton, jeff johnson, and they participated in the debate in rochester, minnesota, issues like the economy, transportation, and health care were debated. and here is a bit of that debate you can see. >> there is about a $6 billion gap, 6 billion over the next ten years between what we need to

spend just to keep the system as it is now, maintaining the status quo, which as we all know has deteriorated over the last couple decades, more accidents, more fatalities. so next session we're going to face-up to are we going to come up with additional money and that's necessary to make those investments to at least break even and ideally improve our system, some people say we'll get administrate you have i have efficiencies out of the department of transportation which is an important aspect of it, but it's not going to come close to the amount of additional expenditure necessary. so the people of minnesota have to decide through the elected representatives, are they satisfied with things are they are, willing to pay additional money from some sources in order to be able to make that break even or do we want to improve things? or are we willing to let things continue to deter you're rate,

which will happen. >> before we move on, do you want to respond to that? >> well, yeah, i just -- when i say we need to actually prioritize, my answer was not that we need to just find efficiencies, although i agree with the governor we need to do that, but the problem is we haven't made this a priority, particularly the last two years. if you look at the bonding bill i would love to talk about the senate legislative office building. we're spending more on that than we spent on roads and bridges. we need to actually put this at the top of the list. >> thanks for your patience. on to you. >> yeah, this is, you know, under the constitution, transportation, one of the responsibilities of government and we haven't been doing it. and it is truly a public good, because not taking care of our roads and bridges costs money, whether you use the roads or not

because you end up paying for it either directly or indirectly, via emergency services. the return on investment for every dollar that you put towards just on a cost benefit basis, every dollar you put towards roads and bridges comes back to you three or $4 each. and so you know, versus light rail where you get about 42 cents on every dollar, so the cost benefit is not something that benefits all of minnesota, plus it is another instance where the twin cities ends up getting the lion's share. we need to move those. somehow we manage to find about $4 billion on viking stadium, you know, light rail, all of those things we have been throwing money at and meanwhile we have been neglecting our roads and bridges for a long time. i've never seen anything like this. you know, i've been here quite a while. and i would like to see us, however we get it done, however we get it done we need to make it a priority.

so first of all we need to preprioritize. and then after that, if we need to raise gas tax by a certain number of cents to make it happen, we need to make it happen ..

affordability is critical. i think we have a challenge today and making sure that students fully utilize the opportunities presented by a campus that really further their success in life. we have challenges in innovation after years of declining budgets. a lot of different challenges for higher education. let's start with the challenge of access. how does penn state deal with it. caller: -- guest: i think there are a lot of good signs that we can be proud of the number of students at penn state in the first and family students at penn state is growing. a largeni have given us number of scholarships to help meet those numbers.

$30 million in the last campaign. well below average for pennsylvania and the nation, student default rates. those are good signs that if you dig a little bit deeper, you see that there are two problems that i think have an enormous impact. one of those is that we have 2 -- too many students going years five and six and borrowing money to do it. they're not completing as fast as they can. a large number of them are students that are not as well off financially and what they end up doing is creating this cycle of working too many hours and taking fewer classes, perhaps not doing as well as their talent would allow because they are working. they go forward and take more time and some of them give up.

group of people for which i believe we have too many that don't complete, and then years five and six are borrowing more money because that's what it takes to get the degree if they will complete. i would say the total cost of a is, unfortunately, reflective of year five and six and this notion that you can't quite afford it so you don't graduate at the same high rate or you take longer. i think if we can beat back those problems will drive down student debt numbers and make our students more successful. when you think about it a lot of people talk about that to wish an increase. what are they doing? why do they keep increasing tuition? but the biggest increase of all is to go a fifth year and a

sixth year and not only pay your tuition and housing but you're not in the job market. , goodof good stories universities have to dig deeper and we see that we have specific issues that we will target. >> as a person who oversees the university, what are some ways you can decrease the numbers? there is a lot of things. advising andom being able to create a map for a student and if they fall off and miss a course, and that cost them an extra year because it is a prerequisite and not offered the next year, if you knock on their door and say did you do that on purpose? did you realize that will cost you another year? that,are parts like

components like that you can address, but for a need-based our campus to give an online semester scholarship. gearing the summer you take nine credits and we make sure that student doesn't have to take on debt. a different kind of scholarship, is the way to think about it. up for the fact that they don't take as many credits gearing the year. i also like the idea of looking at a student and saying ok, you will work 20 hours a week at a minimum wage job but we don't want you to work more. you work 20 hours a week and we look at your family contribution and the scholarships and the loans, and if there is a gap, then can we deliver a kind of penn state promise that we will fill that gap. for all the pennsylvania

students, additional scholarships on the order of ernie million dollars and we could look over -- look everyone of the students in the eyes and say don't work more than 20 hours a week. you will do better in the classroom, finish in four, won't take on extra debt, and we will help you fulfill that college education. my guess is we will watch the graduation rates go up. we will see the loan rates go down. host: we are joined by penn state president eric barron. bus as itr c-span

travels to big ten universities. can we ask you about that jerry sandusky case. give us an idea of what the university is doing and light of what happened? of course, that was an incredible tragedy and out of that has come a university that probably has the strongest compliance and ethics program of any university in the country. we don't just look at whether we are following the rules, we look at whether we are following -- doing the right thing. team andn incredible we've looked over 100 different topics that we fell -- felt where we can do improvements and create a greater sense of a novel and this is

institution. i believe especially in the athletics arena, we will see a lot of universities copy what penn state has done because it is a fine program. as far as specifics, what has the university put into place to make sure it doesn't happen again? guest: just as an example, compliance in ethics is outside of athletics. it is not within that chain of command. it is an independent operation and independent authority and certainly that makes a substantial impact as you might imagine to make sure that you have individuals who feel free and no that they have the backing to do what is right.

there is a dramatically different hr system, considerably more compliance focus and training associated with all youth programs. it is extremely comprehensive. was: one of the issues people who passed on information and what was done with that information. how do you better the system so there is more communication? there is a full-page of different ways in which individuals can report, anonymously or to a particular process. it is hard for something to slip to the cracks at this point. host: how much has the university spent on this? thet: i have not added up amount of money but it is significant. host: for legal fees for paying

settlements. is that cannot of the general budget or student tuition? where does it come from? it is some portion of covered by insurance and some athletics.covered by my predecessor made a comment that there would be no tuition dollars in there. host: president eric barron of penn state joining us to talk about issues of academics and education as part of c-span's college to her. -- tour. you are on with president baron bob. caller: thanks for taking my call. i am a grandparent and i am concerned about my grandkids. i recently was laid off from my job.

i'm 63 years old but i was trying to get help with reeducation. i was focused on one thing. the only way i was going to get take athey wanted me to bunch of fill-in courses to get so many credits. one of them was literature which has nothing to do with gunsmithing. it seems like they are just trying to sell extra courses. if a person is focused on maybe a machine shop or something, it is a waste for them to have to spend time and money on courses like literature that they are never going to use. host: president baron go ahead. of course, the education

of any university has a particular stamp from the faculty that suggest that if you have a degree from our institution, you have a brett -- breadth of critical thinking and communication skills and understanding of a broad number of issues. not only do you have depth but you have rett -- breadth. one of the wonderful things about penn state is that we have multiple entry points that allow individuals to be successful. mobile.home, you're not you're in a career, you have opportunities with us. your residential in the state of pennsylvania and would like to live at home. we have

commonwealth campuses with lower tuition on the border of $8,000 per year less. you are interested in a particular area it is more technical, there is 10 college. -- penn college. lege education is considerably more focused. you should seek out those opportunities to make sure that your interests and your objectives match the particular programs. state agree penn signals to everybody a certain scope of activity, a certain that of activity. -- depth of activity. i would focus on high school with a more particular skill set that you're interested in. caller: i would like to hear your comments on the fact that

professors generally get paid more if they are good researchers or good writers, as opposed to being good teachers. i found that some of the best teachers i have are at the bottom of the department heads and don't do as much research or publishing as some of the teachers who spend less time with students. is that going to change? say that this was true in many universities, may be true in some universities but true in many universities that were major research universities. skills arehing highly valued, you don't get tenure and you don't get

promoted if you're not good in the classroom. if you're not interacting well with students. in fact, we have moved from a model where we made a decision, this person was a great researcher and we are going to reward that individual. at the same time, we are recognizing that we need to take advantage of the strengths and skills of different individuals. you're watching a lot of universities move to appoint where they have tackled the that are what i would call, mission faculty. they are superb teachers and we put them in the classroom and their -- their function and job description is to be in that classroom and be superb teachers. they may even be writing some -- proposals on how to improve the

delivery of the curriculum. more orientedgs toward research. i think what you discover is probably that the individuals who do it all are the ones who will be more highly paid. host: your chance to talk with penn state's president, eric barron. from new york, here is frank. what is the average salary of a professor? and what is the salary of the head coach of the football team? those weren't available online. guest: here is the way to look at it. we are driven by the market. very clearly driven by the market.

we benchmark against a set of solid,ities that really top-quality universities. our faculty to have salaries be competitive in that marketplace. similarly, with a strong athletic program we work within the market. it is true that we have a football coach that makes that makend faculty quite a bit less. if you think about it, we could do all this differently, for a fact. but it is difficult to opposite -- operate outside the marketplace. we know that our football program is paying for all the other sports. penn state is an institution that once all the gifts of all of our students to be something that they can hone and take

advantage of and excel in as long as they are also a student. yet, we are one of those few programs out there for which no to wish and dollar, note university dollar crosses into athletics. of course that program is important to us and it is important that it is successful and we are competing in the marketplace for talent. work very hard to compete in the marketplace for faculty. i would like for it to be different but i don't think you can operate outside the marketplace in today's higher education. not for faculty, staff or athletics. caller: i would just like to make this comment. i think it is a scandal that the ncaa gave most of the privileges back to penn state in light of the sandisk kindle. sandusky of message --

scandal. what kind of message does that send? you do something and they penalize -- you should have to go through and finish that pencil -- penalty. punishment you get a and then maybe we will let you off. that sends a horrible message to college students. and a horrible message to other universities that may engage in inappropriate behavior but then get slack down the line and get rewarded. you know, sandusky, was a sick man. he fooled a lot of people. that is rather sad. out of theirped process in creating penalties for penn state. people were

uncomfortable that they stepped out of their process to do that. personally, i think that no matter what they did, penn state would have stepped up and looked that it would never happen again. i don't think anybody needed to tell us. efforts ont those compliance and put those efforts on a stronger ethical background. saying, andncaa is it is really the presidents that make up the ncaa. what they are saying is that has state as an institution done so many remarkable things to handle this problem, that they shouldn't punish our students further. theyu look carefully didn't give us back the money penalties. what they did was say why are we punishing a student athlete?

why are we making sure a student can't have a scholarship when we have one of the highest graduation rates of football players? let's not punish the students, especially when you see what penn state has done. so the penalties they removed with a penalties that punished students and student athletes. that is what they ended. view thatree -- in my is entirely appropriate. on many fronts we are a model program and leading the way. it is not because in my view that they realized that something happened and now what happened is less significant, i don't believe that is the way they are thinking at all. and sayingking at it ok, we step out of our progress -- process, this was a national issue. penn state stepped in and did more than the right thing.

like i said, we would have done it anyway. i'm convinced we would have done every single one of those things anyway. we don't want something like that to happen. host: from pennsylvania, and educator. i am not the educator, my son is. i'm sorry i forgot your name but congratulations on your position since you just started, i would like to congratulate you as a penn state alumni even with a hiatus, if come up the ranks. you have more of a vested interest in what the school is about. i would just like to say that a lack of attention to this campus

because of its geographical hasance from the campus resulted in some things that needed attention. there, and if i might call you in the future through your office i would appreciate that very much. -- inot sure that i wonder if you can help me with the question. i wasn't sure i quite heard it. host: he talked a little bit about the geographical distance between the main campus and other campus. that may be unique to your university and how you deal with those issues? guest: it is, we have 24 locations. a medical school and two law schools. college that is more technically oriented and the university park.

a lot of people look at this and say this is unusual, how does that function? one, anook at is, opportunity to provide a lower-cost education to many students. 40% of the students in the commonwealth campuses are first and her family to go to college. there are largely living at home and having access to an education from a university that is in the top 1% of all universities in the world. they also have a much closer connection to their community, which is also incredibly valuable when you think about student career success. so yes there are some distance and they are making sure that when you take an english casts -- class, it is exceptional the matter where you take it. issueshink the distance are less significant to us

because what we believe is we are truly delivering opportunity to a huge number of students. 40% ofbout that number, students have been first in her family to go to college. then you realize that penn state is truly fulfilling its message. -- mission. i have a question about student loans. fact thatly, the bankruptcy protections are removed uniquely from student loans and no other type of loans , a very large problem for graduation for a lot of people. i don't know if it is ironic or troubling, but the association of financial aid administrators

typically lobbies against the students on this topic. either sideways or against and i find that disconcerting. you have any thoughts? i don't know about that particular lobbying effort that you are talking about, obviously we are paying attention to the rules. this is the way i look at it. we need to drive these numbers down. take the 2007 entering class. they now know what they have borrowed in years five and six. though students borrowed $23 million to go to years five and six. you can see their loan rates going up and some people disappearing. we can save an enormous amount of money if we can get the students to graduate in four years or less. they are in the job market and

being successful and we actually drive those numbers down. if you think of all the different ways in which we can enable a student to not fall off the map. d students, with the world campus to be taking classes out of high school and come in with the credits that allow them to go into the system more quickly, there is some evidence that if you are -- if you have financial literacy to part of the training to the students and they have a sense of what they might paying per month when they graduate, that they borrow less because some of that borrowing is because they are working on a particular style of living that they want to have an than they look at the future and go, that is not worth it to me. i would rather have another roommate.

these are things that universities have to do. it is time they pay attention to them and look at this as an opportunity to drive down the amount of our owing that students are doing. -- borrowing that students are doing. especially what loan policies are and attempt to help our students to not have to pay too high and interest. the thing we have the most is taking on the objective and driving down student debt. primarily by getting them to graduate earlier. the c-span bus continues of big ten-- tour universities. about 10'm calling state. i am a senior citizen now, years

ago my son had the opportunity andttend the great college some unfairness occurred, and he went to ask for help and they could not help him. as a result, my son left penn state walking because his life was threatened. that's why was calling. thank you, by. president barron, go ahead. guest: i'm not sure what i can add to that. in individualcult cases to know exactly what the situation is. i don't think it makes sense for me. host: do students have some type of advocate on campus to help

them with issues they may have question mark -- have? is a huge focus on helping students with financial andscholarships, work-study we basically have 75% of our students that get some form of financial aid. a very active office working very hard to help people be successful. the caller was calling from georgia, and of course this is out of state tuition and that makes it more challenging to meet that unmet need. i would like to ask president barron about the deteriorating conditions for teaching faculty. a germaniceen explosion in the past 20 years of administrators and their staff brought back as the rates

of increase have not kept up and now among the faculty, 70% nationwide of classes are taught by adjunct faculty and they are underpaid tremendously. sometimes living at the poverty level. what do you think about that situation? there are a lot of different models out there, unfortunately the recession sent a lot of universities into a mode where they didn't want to commit long-term to faculty. so they hired people part-time to fill classes because if they received one more budget cut, then it didn't make the base faculty vulnerable and they were more capable of managing the budget. this is probably the saddest story for higher education is that the long-term impact that

the recession and cuts in the state support in many institutions altered the composition of the faculty purely as a budget reality. say that at penn state the student faculty ratio is 17-1. this is a very competitive rate and we work hard to deliver in the classroom and as i said earlier, we work hard to be competitive in salaries. that, youuniversity eight ofbetween number all publics and moves a little bit in individual years, but we are really aspiring to make sure that a student that graduates from penn state has an exceptional educational experience.

why is one of the reasons business magazines always list us as one of the top places to recruit. fairst had a job career and we had over 500 companies at and more than 9000 students participating. this is our objective. we are not going to sacrifice that quality, that we know helps successfuladuates for the rest of their life. we will not sacrifice that capabilityause of a to have people teach by the course. it doesn't mean it doesn't happen, many times we pull in expertise for particular reasons, but that 17-1 student faculty ratio speaks loudly about our commitment.

but, truth be told, a lot of universities under considerable budget stress and not knowing if next year would continue to go down and they became risk averse. they moved to a mode of temporary faculty because it couldn't provide the commitment to keep them long-term. according to this class of 2014, with those seeking employment, about 70% found employment full-time and then 17% went on for further education. caller: every week we keep call about the massive student debt and student loans, but i don't hear anyone asking about the cost. theon went to madison, and rates went up one year 19%. the cost of living is going up 4% a

year so why is the cost of college going up double digits every year? host: president barron, if i can add, can technology help reduce some of those costs? toourse online versus adding attend, can it help drive down costs? guest: certainly we work at that and we have a lot of students online, a lot of opportunities for online education for students that makes life more flexible. an online degree coming out of penn state is significantly reduced tuition compared to a full education, especially at penn state. the issue is really a tricky and a lot of institutions the public in particular have

had significant cuts in support. 50's, backack to the to the time where soldiers are coming out of conflict of world war ii, and as a nation we committed over so to supporting public education to make sure individuals were more successful and we gave them more opportunity. we had a considerable impact between state government, federal government and public universities to provide education at the lowest possible cost. in many states that were the words that they used, the lowest of possible cost for the citizens of the state. that has changed as a jets have gotten tight. i don't fault the legislatures. they had a lot of people with needs and not a lot of money. their own budgets were declining and they realized that even

though tuition was going up, the outcomes of that degree were very high. now we come into a position where penn state increased tuition systemwide last year. that increase in tuition did not cover all the increases in benefits that we have high contract. i didn't say anything about raises, and i didn't say anything about innovation. i didn't say anything about moving that next program to the cutting edge so students have the best possible education. most efficient increases for you say, how can you increasing at that dollar amount? single year we cut from

our budget to try and minimize that for the increased does not cover the increases in cost. that's having a court places to cut the budget. thes not a happy place to -- to the. great university students who graduate. we don't want to sacrifice that quality that is why so many of us are focusing on population that really struggles to get that degree. you know how valuable it is at the end. you look everyre single person in the eye, we want you to graduate at the same high rate. environmentlenging but we can compost that if we work at it. host: penn state president eric barron. andrew from california. , provostood morning

eric barron. i was calling because i wanted to find out why tuition is so high at penn state and we set -- spend so much time studying at the university trying to get our degree and not being able to enjoy the things we like like taking photos and spending time with girls and doing other things at the university, and we have to pay the tuition, can you explain why? host: president barron since you kind of address this -- guest: ok so -- host: go ahead. guest: i can add one more thing. take your tuition and fees and add it to what your state as a public institution provides per student. is those together and that

the resources you have to deliver the educational process. penn state has a high tuition , at least second among all public's. together andwo that is below average for the 810 yet we are delivering at a ranking that is above average. -- big ten. yet we are delivering at a ranking that is above average. a certain amount of resource to deliver a high-quality education. you don't have a lot of avenues to get those funds. so if the state support is low, your tuition is high. you can watch that over and over again if you take an analysis. you will see over and over, at those two numbers together and you get a surprise and that

takes a certain amount to deliver an education and penn state is very efficient in delivering high quality. host: president barron, how much to alumni get back from the university? of the things one that i am the most proud of because we just finished a capital campaign. $2.2 billion. back70,000 alumni gave doing that process. number, wehenomenal think an all-time record. seven years, $2.2 billion gives you an idea of the rate at which people are giving back. that is an astounding number which suggests how our alumni feel about this institution, because people who had a transformative experience who care about the institution of the ones who give back.

170,000 people give back is astounding. despiteesearch scholars a recession and sequestration, we had 126,000 students apply to come to 10 state -- penn state. more than the year before. this is an institution people care about deeply. it shows on the applications and with our alumni giving back. barron, firstent i would like to compliment you and penn state university on handling the coach situation. graduated a paterno at of athletes and he had fantastic program and genuinely cared about his players. this was unfortunate and i know there are probably thousands of incidents that happened like this that have not been reported, so my hat is off to

you on this. comment, i don't think your tuition is that high. areow in florida state, we $10,000 per year tuition wise, but i know the cost of living in pennsylvania is higher. the problem i have is capitalism. schoolsto take private -- public schools in turn them private, the average 18-year-old graduating from high school basically has two choices. they can go into the military to get the g.i. bill and go fight a contract, there are reasons we don't need to go, or they can get into major debt so you're looking at going to university and spending $50,000 for a four your degree and with the interest on that you're starting a kid out of school and then they buy a house, we are putting debt on a 23-year-old.

i don't think the system is working correctly and i obama,ly trust president some politicians more than i trust wall street or bankers. i have no trust for them. i would like your comments on that and what other college presidents such as yourself can do to get this in order. we need to get this and check in my opinion. keep up the good works are. guest: thank you. i rarely enter into the political side of the equation in terms of taking sides, i only -- i do it every minute of every day, i represent penn state. have the same percentage of students, 66% that there were 10 years ago compared to today. is 35,000 four students that borrow.

have an average of $35,000 as a debt when they leave but it is too high. we don't want it to be that way. a stronger opportunity for support, artur wishon is not as high and students will pick on highr tuition is not as and students will pick on more debt. if we can grip -- get them to graduate before at 3.5, they will save debt. if we work hard with need based students to make sure they are not working too hard, we will drive down their debt considerably. i think from a university viewpoint we have to work at the root of the problem. we have to resell ourselves in terms of our value to the commonwealth of pennsylvania and to every other state in the nation about how critical it is to provide this education to all citizens that are able.

that is the part to work on. president barron we talked about technology, is the future in trouble because of the growth of online education question mark weather always be a need for a brick-and-mortar type? guest: there will always be a need for brick-and-mortar. this is a transformative opportunity for students. a coming-of-age as well as content. we know that if we can engage students in activities like one-on-one research creative activity with faculty members and internships and opportunities for leadership and study abroad opportunities and all these things that and rich -- enrich and education. that allow someone to put a car through its paces, these are transformative.

right now it is difficult to deliver online. online is an opportunity right now for a particular segment of the population. we are realizing is not reaching all the masses yet. if you look at these massive online courses that get 300,000 people who sign up, they have very low completion rates and the people who complete are already educated. on the other hand, online education provides a great opportunity for people that are not mobile or employed and want to go further in life. it provides a great opportunity to add flexibility for students and it provides great opportunity for us to flip the classroom so that we have an expectation online that you get particular content and then the faculty member it's to focus on critical thinking and problem solving.

those skill sets that translate into the job market effectively. education is great for all of those reasons. we have a long way to go before it replaces brick-and-mortar. i kid people, because if you and have online education not residential education, why would your 17-year-old ever leave home? they can do their laundry and raid the refrigerator. -- i'm trying to be cute here, and then they sit at the computer and take a class. we offer a lot more as a university than content. host: what specific things would you like to see at the university under your tenure, aside from costs, what would you like to do? guest: that what is important to

me. i want people to drive that blue-and-white sports car and put it through its paces. we need to provide more opportunity for students. engaged students have a better p or group and are less -- peer group. they're managing their time because the group is supporting them and they are building a resume the time they are here and they get better jobs. we know this for a fact and we need to enable students. has an every university obligation to make sure that you are educating the residents of our state and the nation and the diversity of that population is changing. we have to make sure we are a welcoming environment for everybody if you're going to make sure that we are a university that is part of the future. yes to make sure that technology model works in the future.

keep readnsive to technology and being at the cutting edge but we see so many opportunities in delivering curriculum that we will continue to push along those lines. i also think that we need to stop talking about our economic impact and talking about how we can be an economic driver by pushing our property into the marketplace, creating companies and having our students educated at the cutting edge moving right into those jobs. to be deliberate about that process. i have quite a list. host: president eric barron from penn state, joining us as part of c-span's big bus to her. -- tour. thank you. guest: my pleasure. host: we will continue conversations with the president

of the university of maryland and the president of rutgers university on wednesday. we are going to take a break and then take a look at what is going on in hong kong with the protests. ofning us will be can brown the wall street journal. he will talk to us when it returns. >> the c-span cities to her takes booktv and history tv on the road. traveling to u.s. cities to learn about their city life. we partnered with comcast for a visit to boulder, colorado. >> my book is called the beast in the garden because it is about a large animal in ancient , and, the mountain lion what is really a garden.

and that is boulder, colorado. in many ways, it has been altered by human kind and when you get this wild animal coming into this landscape, you actually can cause changes in the behavior of the animal. a mountain lion does what they do best. they eat about one year a week. -- one deer a week. and in the city attracted the deer. then the lions moved back to the discovered there were deer in town. so the deer leeward the lions into town, then the lions discovered they could eat dogs and cats. that is food for them. so the lions were learning that this is where they will find food. there is food there too but there is lots to eat in town. generally rich treat

in a beautiful place for enrichment, enlightenment, entertainment and coming together. the people who were intended to quathe audience of the chauta word the middle class. a combination of speakers of the day and a variety of highbrow and lowbrow entertainment opera, classical music, and the vaudeville of that day. fence --all of our events from boulder tuesday afternoon and sunday afternoon at 2:00 on c-span3. host: out of hong kong about pro-democracy protests. joining us to talk about that

from hong kong, is can brown from the wall street journal. thanks for joining us. could you for those who aren't familiar, your paper deals with the protests, can you tell us how they started? guest: there has been an electoral reform process in hong kong for a while. people are hoping to get to elect their next leader in two dozen 17. hong kong has never gotten to arrest its leader. -- elect its leader. the ruling came down from beijing that said everyone in but you cann vote, only vote for candidates that we approve. so people hoping for democracy were disappointed. host: so we see people on the street, who is leading this charge? guest: they got there, three

groups leading the charge and they got there as the result of student rallies that started last week. there are three groups. central, which says they will occupy the main district of hong kong if the government didn't change its ruling. there are two student groups there as well. they came out starting friday -- last week, and had a confrontation with the police were students got arrested. it grew some, and then sunday night the protests grew bigger and the police went after the protesters with pepper spray and tear gas and that really riled then theong and so protests spread across the city and got many times bigger. now they are protesting where the headquarters are ended two or three separate districts in the city. wet: have they been violent?

are seeing pictures with smoke and police presence. guest: sunday night was very violent. the police tried to break up the protest using tear gas. the protesters have not been violent. they were pushing it police and barricades but there has been no damage, no rockthrowing or anything. the police went after them and the police basically made things worse because the protests spilled across the city and people stood up to the police. because hong kong is a financial district and these are taking place in the center of town, how has that affected financial firms. guest: it hasn't affected them much. it is not the core financial districts of people can get to and from work. it is a bit inconvenient but it is mostly hurting businesses, shop owners and such. it hasn't affected the financial

except that people are nervous. stabilityis a rock of , a very developed economy. efficiency for its and now that is called into question. host: what has been the response in china and hong kong's leadership? mostly the same. the protests are illegal and we are not budging. you need to go home. the hong kong government has been more conciliatory saying they will meet with the protesters. they said, we want the current chief executive to resign, so we won't meet with him. there is a bit of a standoff. in the last 24 hours both sides have dug in their heels. the bet the government is making is that if they leave them out long enough they will get bored and tired and the rest of the population will get mad because they are hurting the economy. now the protesters countered that by saying, they will occupy

the chief exec block and will block the office. there is a standoff now going on a half-mile from here where students are threatening to block these offices. the police are lining up with tear gas and rubber bullets. and the see students like in these pictures. what is public sentiment like question mark -- like? guest: the sentiment was mixed until sunday night when the police used tear gas and the sentiment changed dramatically. we are seeing churches open their doors to let people rest and get food. there has been a huge outpouring of support, people saying they are getting fed and have been given umbrellas. this is the umbrella revolution because they are using umbrellas to block pepper spray. there are like one million umbrellas donated. host: from the pictures we have

seen, you talked about student influence but i want you to his aimt profile one, is joshua wong. why is important? guest: he is 17 now. when he was 15 he started a group with friends and they defeated -- helped defeat a new curriculum that the government tried to put in place where students would have to learn patriotic things about china. hong kong is part of china but has its own education and legal system. it's people have a difficult relationship. they beat that back a few years ago. he has gained a lot of power. now he is 17 and leading one of the two student groups. he was arrested friday night for scaling offense of a government building and they held him in jail for 40 hours and he became a rallying cry and finally they demanded he be released because

there is not a reason to hold him. , a youngowerful awkward figure but important in this. host: do you know the obama administration has responded to these protests? guest: they were careful but there was interesting exchange yesterday. john kerry was positive about the demonstrators and the chinese foreign minister shot him down and said this is our affair. you guys have nothing to do with this. this is domestic. china is very sensitive about domestic issues and foreign comment. there have been accusations in china from the media about foreign influence here, american and other foreign influence, driving these protesters which we have no evidence of that happening. it has been a very tense situation. viewing this,re

what are you looking for in the next 24-48 hours as far as these protests? guest: this confrontation is brewing as we speak ar. the students are at big date and they say they will block them and the police are lining up and bringing in all kinds of armor. the police and government officials have told us that if they are not out of there by 4:00 in the morning, they will get rid of them. they said they have to allow the chief executive to get to work in the morning otherwise there is no leader for this city. difficult stuff brewing right now and we will see how this plays out. from can brown joining us hong kong talking about protests occurring in hong kong. thank you. hour for this thursday, during the month of october, we will take issues and ask and see of they are issued to you when i comes to campaign

2014. the issue this hour is immigration. these are the phone numbers to call in on. it if it's an important to you and you want to talk about it, call those numbers and we will take those calls momentarily. let's get an update of news from c-span radio. jobless numbers in this hour show the number of people seeking unemployment benefits dropped 8000 last week to the seasonally adjusted 287,000. that is the lowest level in more than eight years. the labor department says the number of applications during the week fell 4200.

some parents in dallas are keeping their children home from school today after learning that several other students may have come into contact with the man who was diagnosed with the ebola virus after flying from liberia to texas. school administrators are urging none of the children are showing symptoms. the man traveled to texas to visit family but did not show symptoms until after his arrival of a hospital in dallas sent him home the first time he reported feeling sick. that decision by the hospital to release him could have put others at risk of exposure to ebola before the man went back to the er a couple of days later when his condition worsened. the number of people with at least indirect contact to that of all the patient, according to a texas health official, is now more than 80 people. post reports that the cdc agency leading the ebola response has had a budget cut by

nearly $600 million since 2010. they say cdc officials and lawmakers who support the agency warned that years of austerity have hobbled both the cdc and the national institutes of health in terms of their ability to combat future outbreaks and their ability to prevent them from happening in the first place. a budget in 2010 was just under $6.5 billion and 2014, that budget dropped to just over $5.5 billion. those are some of the latest headlines on c-span radio. c-span's 2015 student cam competition is underway. the cap petition for middle and high school students will award 150 prizes totaling $100,000. create up 557 minute documentary entitled " the three branches and you." by januarysubmitted 2015 said go to student cam.org

for more information. >> "washington journal" continues. host: on thursday, taking a look at issues in campaign 2014 and getting your thoughts if they are a concern to you. this power will be immigration and if it's an issue for you in the campaign. you can give us your thoughts by calling these numbers -- you can also make your thoughts not on our facebook and twitter page. the front page of "the washington -- the new york times" --

the president is set to address the congressional hispanic caucus tonight at about 7:50 p.m. you can watch it by going to our website for more information, www.c-span.org. immigration and if it's an issue for you in this year's campaign -- let's hear from dave in iowa on our independent line, good morning. caller: good morning and thank you for letting me state my opinion. a member of congress on

earlier who was talking about deportation and i tend to agree with them. the republicans are really strong on securing the southern border with mexico all of which costs money and also deporting millions of people who are already here costs a lot of money. i don't see any problem with dipping them naturalized status. for one, it increases our tax base so instead of them getting paid under the table, they become just like us paying taxes and paying it to medicare and social security as well. that,e have taken care of i believe we should toughen up the rules and the enforcement of those rules. i don't think we need any more rules. the rules that exist are pretty decent. we just need to better the enforcement and that is an act of congress. host: is this a voting issue for you in november? caller: yes, i am looking at members of congress and they have been so stuck in this

political quagmire over obamacare. was a little too activist going after obamacare to the chagrin of the republicans in congress. let's put this stuff aside. wholl be voting for someone will be appropriate more money for the enforcement of existing rules and forgetting about spending money for rounding up people. host: maria is from pennsylvania, democrats line. caller: i have been an advocate for the undocumented for 15 years in the harrisburg area. immigration is a huge issue for me. i have not been that impressed with obama but i could never, ever vote for a republican because they are so anti-immigration. its extremism and i cannot vote for anyone on the extreme side

of politics. i just can't. people are people just trying to work in this country. i know them and i have been around with them and my mother is from mexico. i have a totally different view. hatred is not what i want to see in the united states of america. host: from florida, democrats line -- democrat and i want to see immigration reform passed. if you get 11 million people already living here and you day,ed up one person per maybe 20 people per day or 10 people, it would take you one million days round up everybody in this country. it's important since they will be here for another 100 years

to pay taxeshem and pay for social security and not undercut people's wages because they are working under the table. immigration reform? it's big for this country and big that we know who these people are and they are in the system and anybody -- and if anybody hires anybody not documented, that owner needs to go to jail. that's how you stop people from coming in. people here are getting documented and paying into our system. i just wish they would do the math and realize it is not practical to deport all these people. we are asking you about immigration and if it's an issue for you come campaign 2014. will talk about the issue but we will show you some of the resources of our campaign 2014 website, over 100 debates were you can get access and watch in full the wide variety of issues

but we will show you some of the immigration issues that came up during these debates. the caller was from florida and recently we took in a debate over the florida second district. as with republican incumbent steve southerland and his challenger democrat gwen graham and they were both asked about the right thing to do and immigration. >> i'm not supportive of amnesty in any way but we need to be able to get together as a congress and discuss comprehensive immigration reform. this is a problem that the chamber of commerce recognizes is critical to our economy. we have people who are living in the shadows who could come out and be paying taxes and being part of our economy. i obviously think they should go to the back of the line before those who have been here legally but we need to reach some sort of solution. continuing to reach stalemate is andceptable for our country is a real blight on this current congress for not being able to come together and have an honest

and open discussion about how to make the changes that need to be made. [applause] what's the right thing to do? >> i have said over and over that the first thing you do is seal the border. the president has continued to the 2006 border security act. that has been funded and passed and it is in law. honor it. and then show us you can honor existing lobby for creating new laws. this president cherry picks the laws he likes and then he ignores the laws he does not like. he has proven over and over again. [applause] host: is immigration and issued to you? that's our topic and you can watch those debates on our website. herndon, virginia, democrats line, good morning. tired of am getting the republican talking points. we know that during george w. bush, there was no border

safety. the reality is that 11 million people are not going anywhere. they are part of us. you need to find a way to legalize these people. better yet, i live in herndon. who pick up illegal ones who havethe contractors who build roads or houses and they are picking up these people and using them and they don't want to make them legalized. my third point is i'm getting tired about the democrats who treat me well every time they need by boat. they say they will pass immigration but i'm getting tired of that. this is very important issue. as an immigrant, we need to do something about immigration. host: what about the president's executive action? he was supposed to do it by summer. caller: he has been telling us every time the issue comes down

-- he is playing politics because he knows that the democrats are in trouble this election and he wants the spanish voters to come out and vote. if you need my vote, keep your word, mr. president, and we will come out and vote for you. host: texas, republican line. hello, it's foolish to think that if you bring people in and naturalize them to where they can legally work and pay taxes, they will not pay taxes. they will not pay any taxes if we bring them into the tax system. they will get it and come credit and we will be paying them thousands of dollars per year that we don't pay the amount. -- pay them now. the people who pay under the table is not for illegal immigrants. it's for working poor people that are on government subsidies like food stamps.

so that'st earn money it was paid under the table and that's never going to change. it taxes are withheld from their pay, they will lose their thousands and thousands of dollars of necessities. it would probably take 100 years to change our culture that we have now. host: as far as someone to vote for, is immigration top of the list as far as how they align for you? caller: yes, i would never vote for anyone that would pass the senate bill or allow amnesty in any way. that's kelly from taxes and immigration is the topic of the governors debate that took this week. you can watch it on our website. here is a little bit of the exchange between the republican candidate in the democratic challenger. [video clip] >> this problem is never going to be fixed as long as we have

the broken immigration system we have. if we want to fix up problem about ensuring that those who are here are driving safely on the road with a drivers license, what we need to do is to fix our broken immigration system. once we do that, all of these peripheral issues will get resolved. >> senator davis? what should the state doing the meantime? >> i support comprehensive immigration reform and making sure that people are willing to pass a background check and learn english and pay back taxes in our state that they have a path to become a legal worker here. it is modeled after president george bush's plan. let's face it, we are not going to see that happen any time soon because congress has failed to do its job to pass that kind of reform. host: find more at our website at campaign 2014. when it comes to the topic of deportations," the new york

times" says -- richie is from pennsylvania, republican line, go ahead. caller: i want to educate the democrats. as a republican, every time i

hear they forgot about the 1960's attorney general, robert f kennedy who said if you are in a legal alien and you commit a crime, you will be deported. it is not a republican thing. i just wanted to educate the democrats. host: what about the voting thing? caller: i watch a lot of news. i watch a lot of fox. i like to see how people spin stuff. host: is this the main issue for when you vote? caller: when you vote, you should understand where everyone is coming from. i don't have an issue if somebody wants to serve our country for five or 10 years and become an american citizen. they have to serve our country with distinction. you cannot just turn around and we will just let you in without good reasons. in canada, you have to have a

certain skill or education to get that. host: columbia, south carolina, democrats line, good morning. good morning and thank you for taking my call. definitely a high priority for me. going into this election year and every election year. the things that concern me our health care and immigration. callers atious mentioned, when we start to naturalize the citizens and allow them to pay into the tax structure, we benefit as americans. me when i hears someone get on the phone and say that these people, as if they are not human beings, are just sucking up the income from american workers. it's true they take jobs that americans could benefit from.

however, most americans are not willing to work at the wages these immigrants are working at. the other thing that comes to mind is that we are creating a immigrantst allows to come here and be at the bottom of their income ranges and they don't have the rights or opportunity to live the american dream. emigrants that, on these is -- on visas, they are taking up jobs from people who could work as well and taking opportunities from americans. it's not just immigrants. --t: from twitter pat from nebraska, independent line, hello. morning, i had two references that undocumented immigrants don't pay taxes. of course they do.

they pay sales tax and they pay property tax. admin on weight, how much payroll tax do you want to take? sometimes it's below minimum wage. they do pay taxes. aboutwe are talking november. does this issue relate to you when it comes to november and who you vote for? caller: you bet it does, it's very important. host: how do you look at it as far as leading up to november? is immigration the main cause as far as who you vote for? caller: the main issue i think is we have a broken medical system and the world affairs have been troubled. emigration is up there in the top three, that's for sure. from let's hear fromjoel michigan, republican line. ♪ caller: i think it is obvious to me and anybody paying attention that the only reason the democrats are pushing hard for immigration is because they

know they will all go on the dole right away and anybody on the dole vote for democrats. from ok, let's hear paul arizona, democrats line. caller: good morning, what i hear from the right is i hear demonization of the immigrants. all of the misinformation about being on the dole like the last caller said which we know is not happening. you cannot go down and sign up for food stamps, you cannot get any help at all unless you have the proper paperwork. about thing is, they talk the border being open on fox news and the other right wing media outlets. they talk about flooding across the border and this is not true. we have doubled or tripled the

number of border patrol agents. i spent six months per year around the southern order around yuma and i right desert vehicles and you cannot go a mile or two without running into someone sitting on a hilltop scoping you out with a pair of binoculars. the border is not open. it's just fear and loathing from the right against the hispanic people. they know they can get the votes if they can scare their voters. that's what they do. host: one of the topics that came up during the debate was that of the undocumented children that came through the border a couple of months ago. there is a story in "the wall street journal."

the topic of the young children took place my california governors debate. they were debating the role of the government in the undocumented immigrant situation. here is some of that exchange. [video clip] >> is the answer to the world's needy kids in open border in america? of course we have compassion. president obama has 72 treat the kids with compassion and send them home. hillary clinton has said we need to treat the kids with compassion and send them home. we cannot solve all the worlds problem with an open border. we need to have sensible immigration laws and embrace immigrants and way to enforce our laws and take care of kids in california, governor, they matter, to. >> this is really a tragedy and a challenge. it's a political football. i disagree. law that became

enacted by george bush that gave these kids a hearing, i don't think we should change that. i think they should get a decent hearing because they are coming from the central american countries where they are facing murder and girls facing prostitution. they came all the way through mexico on accompanied by adults. i think the least we can do is give them a fair hearing. host: if you want to see that in total with other issues being discussed, our campaign 24 website is the place to go. coming in every day. you can see them at the campaign 2014 website. we are asking you if immigration is an issue for you in campaign 2014. will it influence how you vote? you can call in and tell us.

from texas, we will hear from tom on our independent line. ey, i call to say that immigration is not an important issue but it is the issue in my book. we hear all this hoopla about immigration reform but when i think back to 1986 when 3 million illegal immigrants were accommodated and then you extrapolate that to now, what we are doing is re-compromising already made compromises to the point that there is no real control of immigration at all. i think this country is full. there is no room for more emigrants. we are a nation of immigrants and it has been important in our past but now, we need to preserve what's left of the country we have for the

posterity of the current citizens. immigration, especially illegal immigration, needs to be dealt with. host: you live in humboldt, texas, is that close to the border? caller: it's part of houston so it's not that close to the border. host: do you think this is an issue because you are in texas? caller: absolutely not. i am not a native of texas. it's a great place to be but it's not at all that. 1986 and it was subverted with exceptions. it's not a democrat or republican issue. host: it is just an issue. host:charles from somerset, kentucky, republican line. caller: good morning. glad that we have

c-span so that we can voice our opinions. i definitely think we should that doesthe party not allow immigration to be finalized. on the other hand, i think we need to stop spending the money on the border that does not work. terra down, mr. president, tear it down, the border. host: i know you are calling on the republican line that which party do you think handles immigration better? caller: neither party. that all. -- at all. it's simple -- which isnt the worker the republican party, we need to worker. we need them in kentucky. we have no one else is a backup to cut the arts. -- the yards. let the immigrants go back home. host: mario is up next from bridgeport, connecticut. caller: i have a comment and a

question. the immigration -- i am an immigrant and i was born here but my mother was an immigrant and she came up here and studied hard and practically got her masters and she got her bachelor's. they told her she does not speak enough english. you can stifle someone's dreams here real quick. the percentage of casualties tend to gravitate depending on the population at the gates. education versus crime, life gets left behind on the thin red line. let me ask you a question about your mom -- was she born here or did she come here? caller: she flew here on a plane and got here like most other immigrants. the statement is that these people are coming across the border. they are emigrants like other

immigrants but may not have the same kind of monetary background as other immigrants but they are immigrants and they deserve the same opportunities as anybody else. host: what country did she come from? caller: columbia, south america. host: is she naturalized? caller: yes. host: what was that process like? caller: she waited like everyone else and got accepted but she was -- she can appear with a lot of skill sets. she is a rum labs as far as children's laboratories. host: but tear from caroline in bethlehem georgia. caller: hello. comment -- i am definitely for immigration reform but the reform means no amnesty, close up the borders, and send back the people home that are here in legally -- that are here illegally. host: you're calling on the ondant -- you're calling

independent line to which party do think is more in line with your thinking? caller: neither party has a strong enough stance. i will definitely be voting for the republicans because what the democrats have done to this entry is simply outrageous. i have another comment if i may -- host: if i may ask, it your representative, who is your representative and how do they weigh in on immigration? caller: all of the mailers we are getting our very lukewarm on immigration. they say they are from reform but we don't the details. one of my main comments if i may is that people are talking about these people that if they are legalized how they will pay off taxes. i got news for people -- i lived with a bunch of undocumented people and when they see federal, state, payroll taxes taken out of their pay stubs, and the benefits they will lose, they will keep working for cash under the table. this whole thing about them

paying taxes and stepping forward, this is a huge burden on the american people. living with these undocumented people, they are getting group coalitions in the neighborhoods, any affordable rental housing, they are starting community organizations. it's rare event for the american people. host: columbia, maryland, linda, independent line. with a lastree independent color. i will vote for anyone tough on the amnesty issue. we don't need the huddled masses anymore. we have built our country. they are just competing with us now. i am a second-generation american not opposed to immigration. need other workers driving down our wages. this is such a huge issue. i don't understand how this has turned into a pro-immigration, anti-immigration thing.

we can take in high skilled workers but we don't need the huddled masses. host: has immigration changed how you vote for a person? caller: yes. host: even as early as november? caller: if i had somebody to vote for with a good alternative -- maryland is a democratic state. i voted for barack obama, i'm very disappointed in how he has handled this issue. host: what you think about the executive action approach? caller: he has no right to do that. the vast majority of the public as opposed to illegal immigration. citizenship should raise a red flag for anybody. that's a pathway to amnesty. host: san diego, california, democrats line. caller: how are you? democrat andoud

american in san diego and i believe there is comprehensive immigration reform. if the republican-controlled house would put it on the floor and pass the bill, it would pass. the party has come together and not to let that vote come right now. that-get host: are you there? poughkeepsie, new york, independent line, hello. caller: i find it hypocritical that our government says they cannot enforce the laws but if you look at the jobs that these illegals are getting, they are all in the private sector. jobs, theyic-sector do protect their jobs. these are government jobs. they are from county to state

and federal government. they do protect their jobs and we don't allow them to work in the public-sector. i think our country is in such bad shape and i think we have a huge debt, the government debt, and that they are going to offer citizenship, i think they should be allowed to work in public-sector jobs. it would save the taxpayers a lot of money and we can all benefit from these low-wage workers. instead, they take over these private sector jobs and these families in the private sector are losing their homes and losing their jobs and their wages are stagnant and the people who are truly their responsibility to enforce the laws, they are all in the private sector and they don't have to worry about them taking the jobs. if you go toway, the campaign 2014 website, you can see some deep rate but you

can also see some of the collection of political ads that we have gathered at her website. this gives you a sense of what is happening on tv. but me show you two ads from two different areas of the country dealing with immigration. thefirst one is from kentucky opportunity coalition that focuses on the kentucky senate race on the second one is the group 4.us which mark zuckerberg started for his efforts on immigration. it targets representative steve king of iowa. [video clip] >> we want to make sure that we've got a pathway to citizenship. a allison grimes's is supporter of obama's policy. >> we need to give a pathway for so many millions. . >> their plan is citizenship for millions of broke the law. l -- illegal immigrants would become eligible for taxpayer-funded programs.

it's too liberal for us. [video clip] >> america has the most respected military in the world because of the strength of character of our soldiers. instead of supporting our military, steve king, republican member of congress, insults the brave soldiers who are immigrants and those who would proudly serve. instead of supporting immigrants who want to serve, he would deport them. steve king's attack on american soldiers and military is wrong. tell steve king his comments weaken our military, not make it stronger. and if it's aon topic for you this november as part of our campaign 2014 on thursdays in october and we will show you material from the topics all related to that we want to hear about from you. immigration is today. here are the numbers --

california is up next, republican line. caller: good morning. guess beefsple of i with immigration. i'm trying to get my wife from the philippines but it's costing me $7,000 between the attorney and that these the government charges. all these people coming over the border getting a free pass. in either the democrats or the republicans taking on this issue and saying we've got to figure out a comprehensive immigration policy in this country. we have been playing with this for 30 years now and i don't understand why we cannot see just the common logic in saying that everybody goes through the same process. we don't get a free ride and we all of ae here and say sudden you cross the border illegally and now we will give you amnesty. all these children are given

attorneys and their giving millions of dollars to take over these cases. i feel sorry for the kids but we've got a lot of kids in our own country that need help. but i willon and on take my answer off the air. host: have you talked to any of your elected officials about this issue? caller: california is a democratic state and we don't seem to get -- make any headway with governor brown. mcclintock who takes issue to ahead but we need a whole bunch more senators and congressmen to say let's look at the whole picture. are we really helping our country or are we hurting our country? host: the republican challenger in the governor's race we heard from earlier, does he bring anything as far as immigration? caller: i did not get in on that early enough. i just caught the last part of it. i wish i could have her the whole debate.

i will try to catch it again here when you have it up again. host: go to our website, campaign 2014 where you can watch the whole thing. caller: i am very interested in this because i'm trying to get my wife you're from the philippines. i keep running into nothing but roadblocks. the irs now has to get involved. i was a contractor with 20 people employed in 2007. now i am out of business. the irs says you don't have any work and you don't have an income. how will you bring her here? i am an american entrepreneur and i have ideas that i want to start another business and she is part of it. i have to go through this rigmarole to get her here. host: let's hear from pennsylvania, democrats line. caller: good morning. thanks for taking my call. i think if the mexican would fix their government, the people who want

to stay there and that instead of migrating to the united states. -- the think so much politicians tell the people whatever they want to hear and immigration just to get their vote and then they don't bother doing anything about it. fact that we mind immigrants coming here. we want them to come here legally just like the last caller said. he was trying to get his wife year and it cost him all that money. they just walked in and we say here is everything. if they are worried about filling these jobs that nobody wants to do, why don't they just take the people living on welfare doing nothing and let them do the jobs? to thes far as changes immigration system, do you support comprehensive reform? what's the best way forward? caller: from what i've heard, they have already got hundreds of laws already on the books. it seems nobody wants to enforce them.

ohio, independent line. caller: yes, sir. i just turned on c-span and i heard a few callers some of which i agree with. , republican and democrat. we need to take care of these problems. we are out there working so we don't have all the solutions and that's why we put somebody in here. you hear republicans talk about how they want to send people back. it seems like republicans are for big business and big corporations. workers who are cheap labor. the department of agriculture wants cheap labor so if you're voting and republicans, it would seem like republicans would not want to send people back. you hear all of this and it just caught me by surprise.

it would seem like you need to get to know who you are voting for. if you're voting republican, they may not want people to be sent back. that's one of my comments. host: you said you elect people to represent you. how about your elected representatives from ohio? caller: i'm not really sure what they feel about this issue because it was not a big issue to me in oh heil as far -- in ohio is for undocumented workers. i don't know. i generally vote on particular issues but not emigration which was not big for me. are thinking they will vote republicans because they want to cut the board are often not let people in, actually it is the opposite of that. we will hear from another

caller from miami, florida, independent line. caller: emigration is probably one of the top few priorities of the country because of the job situation. look at the ebola situation. what will happen if you have a big outbreak that happens in the united states? the fence is, working but it's not built all the way through texas but is working in california. they don't want to build the fence. also, in south florida, we don't have one white anglo male on the miami-dade county commission. we lost around 60% of our population race in south laura for the last 20 years. is this a microcosm for the rest of the country? when need to straighten that emigration and enforce the laws on the books and that's the end of this nonsense. who wondave brat

because of his emigration stand over cancer. host: when it comes to voting for people, how much does immigration play on who you vote for/ caller: i think it's on the top two priorities of these countries, creating jobs for the american people and immigration. the laws have to be enforced on the books. back in the 1950's it was in force but not now. in 1965, the just an act is a problem of what's happening in the country now. host: vienna, virginia, republican line. caller: good morning, everybody keeps talking about the laws we have on the books. that's a very good point. why isn't that being addressed? we already have immigration laws that are being ignored. on the issue of cheap labor, i heard one of the callers say the republicans want cheap labor.

how can we have cheap labor when we are talking about him and him wage of $15? would these new immigrants be exempt from that?? they are coming in and the minimum wage will be $15. that negates the idea of cheap labor. host: nebraska was the side of the debate between the republican incumbent and the democratic challenger. one of the things that was discussed was a guest worker program. [video clip] >> if you have been here that you have not committed any crimes. there may be a different way to deal with you. a guestworker would probably be the answer. >> two seconds -- >> we have dealt with immigration and the nebraska legislature across party lines. let's deal with the children first, those who came here as babies that have gone through high school and are going to

college in nebraska that will become hopefully part of our economy. let's deal with giving them a pathway to citizenship first. then we can deal these other things but let's get this on the table so we can debate it. it has not been up for debate and your points can be debated but let's get the debate going. host: william from connecticut, rick -- democrats line. every october, we have new laws on the books. this illegal immigration laws already on the books. i don't understand what it is not being enforced of its already there. louisiana, independent line -- caller: hello, my opinion on this -- this is an industry here in this thanks to the -- what do

they call it? -- where the companies can give as much money as they want to to a politician they have bought our congress. they want the cheap labor so they will fight over this back and forth forever and not get anything done. i myself am personally in favor of comprehensive immigration e-verify iney put the bill. that way anybody who works in the united states, they will know who they are and they will have a social security number. law.thing will be by the host: from "the washington post."

the president will address the hispanic caucus this evening and most likely will discusses issues of immigration even watch that live on c-span at 7:50 p.m. we invite you to our website for more information. leesburg, virginia, republican line, good morning. caller: hi, my girlfriend is an emigrant from southeast asia. to hear theseking anti-immigration people who do

not really seem to be able to put themselves in the shoes of people who are coming from countries way worse off than we are here. i don't know what to do about the immigration issue but i feel like people are only thinking of themselves on this issue. host: what about your party and how they handle it? caller: i personally do not believe that the republican way of handling emigration is very empathetic. think the republicans are looking at this asus vs them where the democrats are trying to figure out a solution. in this election, i will be voting democrat. host: president obama's address to the congressional hispanic group is on c-span3. sus colusa, good morning.

-- tuscaloosa, good morning. caller: i'm interested in the emigration, renewal of the immigration act or improving it. there are a lot of undocumented workers and this area. of they would apply for temporary visas to come into work, they would make them more accessible the becoming legal other than the ones coming in illegally. the hispanics think that the republicans are for them, they are being used. they are being underpaid even though they pay taxes on groceries, etc, they are not paying property tax because they are illegal. i wish they would improve the immigration law. i will be voting democrat. the republicans have not been doing anything. host: what about your party?

caller: i think things have been presented in the party but they have not been working together. put on hold, that created another stigma. host: as the president shaman of leadership on this issue? caller: i think he has. he has been true to what he committed to and i think he would have done more if congress would work with him. they are not working with him so how can you do anything about the three branches working together? host: bob from washington state, independent line -- caller: good morning, america and good morning hispanic brothers. back in the 1960's and 70's and 80's, we had the republicans open up the borders in texas, arizona and california to bring in the spanish property relation

to break their unions. they did. the broker unions. if you are working in a union shop now, you are a minority. now the republicans come back and say now we have to get rid of them because the unions are broken? vote,ou go to the remember your background on where you came from, hispanic brothers. if you're not a democrat tom i know what you are. thanks for the time. host: carrie, north carolina, good morning. caller: good morning. this is an issue close to my heart. i have been listening to the show for the last 15 minutes and nobody has really spoken about the issue of illegal immigration. emigration. both parties agree on but we don't ever see an action for improving the immigration process for high skilled workers who come here through the visa process.

they go to the universities and contribute to the economy by getting good jobs which pay high taxes. yet we see absolute in action from both parties because the issue of immigration has turned into a political stunt. there was just an executive action by the president and then they hold off the action. both parties are pretty much playing with the issue because vemb. . need is aally concrete association between legal and illegal immigration. those two are different issues. i don't think most americans

really get the issue of illegal immigration which is a broken system. caesar from pompano beach, florida, democrats line. caller: how are you today? emigrant and i came to the u.s. back in 1987. i went to college in the army. i agree with securing the borders. however, i think separating families is not the way to do things. i have seen cases where the child is born in the u.s. and the parents is 45 years older than exported to mexico and now you have a broken family. i was a social worker for many years. kids who effect of have them left with friends.

they don't have a life back in mexico. i agree with securing the borders but don't break up families. that is wrong. you will see the pain this family goes through. back in the 80's, ronald reagan had a fair immigration policy. my friends and family came here during those years. as a democrat, the congress and senate need to work together. ronald reagan was able to pass something. they need to come together. host: what country did you come from? caller: i came from ecuador. caller: are you a naturalized citizen? caller: i am now. my wife is american from new york. we have two kids my went to college and got a degree in psychology. i was in the u.s. army. many of my friends who were immigrants, we went to college

ended into the army as well. you can see good things coming out of it. host: as far as becoming a naturalized citizen, was that before you went into the military? what kind of process was that? caller: i wanted to the army back in 1991. i get up from the army in 2000. i became a citizen in 2003. i was willing to die for this country. i have no problem with that. louisiana, hear from republican line. caller: how are you today? the democrats made a deal with ronald reagan that if he would do amnesty, they would cut the budget by two percent. the democrats, as usual, lied and did not cut a dime. wanting thisbama immigration reform which is really amnesty in disguise and i

am totally against it. i think they should all be sent back and let those people who want to come in here legally come in here legally. the guy that has the white from the philippines who is trying to get his wife over here legally is having difficulty but yet the vote go on the democratic side because they cannot get it any other way. they will do amnesty in this wife will be- left behind. it is wrong and i am against it. there you have it. the democrats lied about the two percent, reagan gave amnesty, and we are still paying for it today. host: last call, kingston, new hampshire democrats line. caller: yes, i'm calling about the issue.

think that there should not be -- that they should not be granted immigration because of the fact that don't pay any taxes. host: would your vote -- would you vote for someone who disagrees with your position? caller: yes. host: for this november, do you plan on making immigration one of those things that determines how you vote? caller: yes. host: who is your -- i want to represent the democratic party because that's what i am. i think they need to redo their policy because these immigrants come over here and they don't want to become united states citizens because they can work and they pay no taxes. -- they get everything subsidized like food stamps and housing and everything but they are not paying federal or state taxes. host: that is joyce from new

hampshire, the last call on this topic and that's the end of the show. another addition of "washington at 7:00 comes your way tomorrow morning and thank you for watching today. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] >> well, we have a pretty busy day ahead here for you on c-span. we'll start with our live programming at 12:15 eastern and a pentagon update on operations in afghanistan. that's at 12:15 eastern. a little bit later, we'll bring ou a discussion on the ebola re