to make who do i want mad today? after this election they will go off and worry about something else and you will be get with the people that elected. i have known since he was a teenager when he drove me around in the governor's race years ago. he probably wishes he were still a teenager. he had something even th then. unusual opportunity in the governor's race and four race because all candidates have served in angress and they have all got record. ike ross and mark pryor have proven that they will work with anybody to get something done inaction and hate

gridlock and shutting the government down and not anybody anything for anybody else. and they have done it under as well as democratic presidents. 14 pryor was one of senators, seven democrats and republicans who made the whento break the grid look trying to get judges. he got a higher percentage of approved than i did or president obama because gridlock.break as democrats we proved we were willing to work with them. was the leader in the blue dog caucus always pushing budget bills and solutions to problems. that.pponents can't say voted against the farm bill.

g.d.p. he said they phrauted it with bill.ood stamp that has always been in the farm ill and we are spending way less on the food stamp bill because the unemployment is going down. goes to farmers. mark talk about the other votes. say that we know what they will do by what they have done. if you like mike bebe's style of vote forp, you have to mike ross and you have got to vote for mark pryor because they it.l do now, just think a minute about what the attack against them has been. they are really running against they?esident, aren't they see these polls, the president is unpopular in and, yeah, the economy is coming back but nobody believes it yet because you

it.t feel but remember what i said four years ago --or two in charlotte. financial crises take an average to get over. and aware ssed over now creating more -- and we are where g more jobs before we were before the crash. six years, four years ahead of global average for 150 years we are doing better than that. vote t expect anybody to on it or be happy because middle class incomes haven't risen, the family is making less adjusted for inflation than the ay you left office but i tell you the truth we are coming back. we have 700,000 more jobs and we are making more cars than in eight years. jobs. e 10 million knew in three of the last four kwarbts the growth rate was 3.5, and 4.6%. more jobs have been created here han in europe and japan

combined and they have a lot more people than we do combined. we are going to come back. so, what you have to ask is, who is going to put metal?al to the we need more college graduates nd reform the student loan and help people refinance loans at lower interest rates. e need to give everybody a chance to pay it back as a percentage of their income. his pryor will do it and opponent won't. we need to build on the advances and figure out a ay to abolish the distinction between what is academic and practical. so that people can get college have practical skills. mike ross will do it. his opponent won't talk about that. now, i could go all those issues you theknow i'm telling

truth. so, why would you not vote? your future. it is your future. i just became a randfather and you care more about the future when you get a kid or a grand kid. that is true. i thought that one of the greatest privileges i born and as being growing up here where i was to turn away from anybody because of their race or heir income or their political party. or just because they disagreed something. i was taught by my mother that be y now and then i would wrong and i needed to keep my ears open. needed to listen as much as i talked. i didn't quite take that to heart. but i try. you, you ust telling

cannot afford to do what their opponents want. you to make it a protest song. they say you have to vote against the president. i promise you, last shot. it is a pretty good scam, isn't it? a e me a six-year job for two-year protest. opponent's pryor's message. i voted to cut student loans and raise the interest rate. yes, i voted against the violence against women act. vote for equal pay. give a vote for minimum wage. you have to give me a protest vote. or in the case of the governor really cast that protest vote. give me a four-year job this lick to do with washington, d.c. so you can have one more protest. to you?t make any sense

throw your future out the dou-- window. what do we know? we know the average poor child, when he or she starts school, if they came from a family that ouldn't afford to send them to kindergarten or afford a p , he ndergarten program learned three million fewer words. gap oughtnk that word income ison what your or your zip code. i don't. if you don't, you better vote ross for governor. it is true oeplz got a two-year term but one hing away know about him is he cut the budget, balanced the budget and still did more and he

people.k with opponent once gave a an award for being fabulous mayor and now he is criticizing him for what he once praised him for. if you get a bipartisan budget sign it.president will i have been there, i know. if it is bipartisan, it will be signed. for ayes will do that work you. this is really important. if you really understand why bebe got the highest approval rating of any governor in the country, you have to vote for pat hayes and mike ross and ark pryor because they will do that. and basically the decision is this. to our voters hat all makes perfect sense, bill, but one more time i have to cast a protest vote. why?

all of this outof state buying television ads tells me to. i would like to think about arkansas and our future and what would be best for our children and grandchildren but i just can't do it. or you can honor mike bebe's his legacy continue by voting for what you are for, not what you are against. that is the right thing to do. ever since i was a little boy we had all the civil rights trouble sick and tired of people stirring people up and them to vote for what they are against versus what for.were how many times have we seen people do something they would in the do just because they are in a deficit. look at this campus.

a long een coming here time. you have no idea how much better t is what all is going on compared to what used to go on here. look at this crowd. how much more a diverse, hopeful and full of potential it is. can hold othing that us back but us. that's it. true heritage the of your state. bebe arranged that the conference tonors have the wonderful song me" nsas, you run deep in sung. give we commissioned a contest to have a song for the 150th birthday. the end of it is i may wander may groan but i will never

be far from home. my heart and you will always be, arkansas, you run deep in me. heart.ur don't vote for what they tell you that you have to be against. know you hat you should be for. vote for mark pryor. vote for mike ross. vote for pat hayes. vote for mike bee bees legacy bebe's legacy and you will be happy a month from now. bless you.nd god

some of the polls in the senate race cbs, "new york show congressman with an suffolk u.s. "u.s.a. today" showing pryor with a pollster lead and shows the race nearly tied with fewer than head by two points. we have this campaign stop and more than 100 house, senate and debates on line and tonight as part of our campaign 2014 coverage debate in north carolina's second district etween renee elmers and clay aiken. here are some of the ads voters are seeing during this campaign. >> i'm clay aiken. you might wonder why i'm ron running for congress. when my mother escaped my violent father we slept on the

room.of this she slept night at sears. hat led me to become a special efrd teacher and now my children with s special needs. i'm running for congress and approve this because every child a chance but too many in washington are letting them down. i was very concerned of the had our ident obama country on. i talk to small business owners. the uncertainty they are faced knowing what is coming, not knowing if taxes will go up r if more regulation will tie their hands. they need to be given some certainty so they can be nvesting in their own businesses and creating jobs. this is what we need to do so we forturn this economy around our children. i'm renee he will merchants and elmers and i approve this. 8-live coverage between representing elmers and as hosted by the

north carolina bankers association. today here in washington, d.c. the upreme court cleared way for an immediate expansion f marriage rights by turning away appeals from five states seeking to prohibit same sex marriage. effectively makes gay marriage legal in 30 states by indiana, ts oklahoma, utah, virginia and wisconsin. ere is some recollection from republican senator mike lee a member of the judiciary committee. in the nothing constitution forbids a state from retaining the traditional definition. whether to change that is best left to the people of each state. pelosi the house minority leader says as we celebrate the cascade of favor of marriage equality we must renew our etermination to sweep discriminatory laws into the dust bin of history. >> c-span's 2015 student cam competition is under way.

this nationwide competition will ward 150 prizes totaling $100,000. create a five to seven minute ocumentary on the topic the three branches and you. videos need to include c-span varying pointsow of view and must be submitted by 2015.ry 20, go to student cam.org and grab a started today. senator rand paul campaigned in the carolinas and tom tillis who is challenging kay hagan and in he endorsed a dinner ones at barbecue in greenville. we will show his two appearances here. are you.orning, how to meet you, sir. shirt.ike your

>> my pleasure, my pleasure. >> do you live in raleigh? i live in raleigh. thank you. >> do you live in raleigh? yes i'm the chairman of 0808. voters.about 3,000 >> were you in the navy? >> yes, i was. u. sfp u.s. u.s.s. topeka. who flies thephew p-3. a have been joking he has terrible assignment. e is been in month --

monterey, california. he is going to hawaii for the next assignment. there any number of times. on a ship. >> his active duty flying and now he is trained as a pilot. been in about 13 years. keep up the good work. tom anks for supporting tillis. >> hello, nice to meet you. favorite u.s. senator. i'm thrilled. thank you. perfect. thank you for all you do. -- rock star. >> are you from here? >> yes. spent seven years in durham. here?d you live >> i was at duke. four years in the 1980's and

years in the early 1990's. >> you were right down the street. >> we used to go near apex to center pit rry pittsboro. >> never been there. a little beach that they imported and dive off the cliffs. you used to lieve live here. thank you so much for coming to north carolina. hoping that tom will pull it out. if we win north carolina i think we will win the senate. >> we have to or otherwise it is the end of our country. thank you for standing brave. >> thank you. for coming out. been a strong has proponent of public-private partnerships partnerships.

questions. do you support public-private partnerships? >> i think we have actually had a specific opinion but we have had and been on the infrastructure and need to do that and one t idea that i have and promoted quite a bit is lowering the tax american profit overseas, come to encourage it to home and taking that tax money and putting it [inaudible]. i think we could come up with billion and $70 billion lowering the tax and getting more revenue. >> thank you so much for being here. live here? >> yes, sir.

>> thank you so much. thank you for coming. seeing you ed about raleigh. in spent seven years durham. we used to give .ut awards for legislators we used to do a press conference. i think i was here when the republicans took over for the first time in the state house. well, great time to be in raleigh. >> glad to be back. >> thank you so much. >> appreciate your work here. if i make a d

picture with you? >> no. the north ing for carolina senate here. am.s is where i get a picture? >> yes. >> awesome. thank you for coming. god bless you. >> thank you. coming out.r we appreciate it. north carolina needs you. >> thank you very much. from raleigh? >> yes. my husband was born and raised here. >> it is great having you here.

>> thank you. >> what do you do? > i work for the state government. 29 years. >> we need people of that variety of background. lawyers. enough >> exactly. >> the thing is most people get it. you don't spend more than your check. >> right. [inaudible]. >

>> thanks for coming out. thank you. [general conversation]

everybody. welcome to big ed's an good morni morning. senate.ing for the u.s. sure want to make

everybody knows my wife susan is here. ae is my wife of 27 years and great asset to this campaign. i appreciate all the patience that she has. it is a tough job and it is great to have a loving wife by do this. to i want to thank all the volunteers over here that are doors, hard knocking on making phone calls, sending out literature. you are the difference maker in you are why wend are here today. so, thank you all very much. [applause] >> i'm going to be brief and then turn it over to senator paul. i'm learning for senate is kay hagan said she was going to washington to get done. ing she said anybody who votes for he president 92% of the time doesn't work in north carolina. he said that about elizabeth dole voting with president bush. she's voted with president obama time.f the she promised we can keep our healthcare.

retirees are receiving letters letting them know the federal government has decided good healthcare is not enough. a month from now they will get premium notices that they will increased premiums and decreased coverage. these are continuous streams of promises. kay hague said the $10 trillion in 2008 was a disgrace. ow it is approaching $18 trillion. the middle east situation is unacceptable. beef it destroy isis and we need a president that needs to have a plan, not call the greatest of terror the jayvee team and we have a senator who committee important that should develop a strategy and has in plan. northfailed the people of carolina. that is why we have to send her ome and fire harry reed as the majority leader. i'm thrilled to have senator paul town. it is an honor to get the

i have from the broad pectrum of members in the caucus. he is fighting tirelessly for our freedom. an independent thinker. independent are thinkers expecting in more than accountability and ultimately to freedom that away need take out the federal government. his man is one of the lions in the senate responsible for that. i'm proud to have him in north carolina and proud to have his support. ladies and gentlemen, let's welcome senator rand paul. [applause] >> thanks, everybody, for coming out. i'm happy to be in north carolina today and to endorse my friend tom tillis for the u.s. senate. training at cal duke university in durham and as it bothers me that we have senators like kay hagan

frankly think that you are not smart enough to choose your doctor. the arrogance of passing legislation that says she knows can choose.ou i have at least probably close small zen friends in my town in bowling green, kentucky, who have had cancer. to m.d. anderson one of the best cancer centers in the country. obama care you get free diet counseling but you don't get to see your doctor. so these are fundamental american choices. it goes against the fabric of to have legislation that prevents you from having the choice of your own doctor. i have a 22-year-old son. control, he is got pregnancy coverage, he has dental coverage for the kids he doesn't have. it is a crime that the country giving him in vitro fertilization. 22-year-old unmarried son

doesn't need that. e needs a bare bones catastrophic insurance plan. he needs to be able to choose cheap and hat is would cover him in time of an accident. this debate over healthcare is debate.onky it is not about health care policy. versus out freedom coercion. three months after it was passed ay hagan had another chance to make it less mad. on had a specific vote whether or not we would grandfather people with who had chosendy their doctors. kay hagan looked the other way twice, first for obama care and then against allowing own e to choose their doctor. i think that nothing could appen in this country until harry reed is gone. people say is there a difference between republicans and democrats? yes. republicans believe in balancing

budget. they will vote on a balanced budget. where was kay hagan? balancing the budget. we had a vote on -- we had many come from the house on less regulation, lower taxes. will ever get a vote as long as harry reed is the majority. ground zero for -- ground zero for taking the house back is in north carolina. i'm happy to be here today. [applause] >> we will take a few questions. >> it was thought that michelle hall might be a spoiler in this race. is your appearance here an indication and anybody that might be leaning toward sean?

>> there are many libertarian ideas that are republican ideas. lower taxes, the constitution, limited government, balanced budget, personal liberty, and i think tom represents of those ideas and i would like him to respond to that. >> the reason we want any kind of member of the republican caucus here to demonstrate because the people of north carolina [indiscernible] broadhrilled to have the support that i do. that is the way we got things done in raleigh in the last three point five years. we had a broad base and the caucus. we had democrats joining with us against the democrats governor. that is actually governing. i like what harry reid had done -- not like what harry reid has .one harry reid, through kay hagan's

support, has shut down the congress. and we are not getting things done. there are a number of things that we should be able to working across the aisle. they have failed to do that. kay hagan has rubberstamped harry reid's policies of obstruction and obama's failed policies for the nation. >> you could -- you have criticized senator hagan for the way she ran against senator dole and her voting record since. if you prioritize working across the aisle, what are some examples of things you could work with president obama on? variety ofe a policies that have been passed out of the house that i know even democrats in the senate would vote for if they could come to a vote. slowing down the failed policy of obamacare. a number of things would help get the jobs and economy back on track. >> what about things that have come from the white house? i think you will have to find

a congress response. economic policy, regulatory policy. there are a variety of things that members of the senate are prepared to vote on, but barack obama has told harry reid not to take it up. and they are delaying policy until after the election. discussioning the and the decision on amnesty and laughter the election. there are 473,000 cancellation for next year. we need to get congress .unctioning hopefully,lation and the president will sign it into law.

>> on obamacare, are you telling

us that it will not be repealed? >> we've got to go, sorry. >> [crowd chanting] echogh, how are you doing -- hi, how are you doing?

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[indiscernible conversations] >> nice to meet you. thank you for coming to this state.

conversations] >> the man that i want to introduce will speak for a few minutes and said he would be willing to take a few questions. opinion,an that in my could be the only individual that could save america from self-destruction. this country is $17.7 trillion in debt. was $5.6ar 2000, it trillion. today, it is $17.7 trillion. neither bush nor obama have followed the constitution.

the man that i want to introduce right now believes in the constitution, and when he raises his right hand to accept the presidency of the united states -- [applause] -- he will follow the constitution. i give you right now, senator rand paul from the great state of kentucky. [applause] >> i think walter just skipped a few steps, didn't you? [laughter] i'm happy to be here today. it's a privilege for me to be here today to endorse my friend of a walter jones, for reelection. thank you all for coming. walter has been a good friend of our family for a long time and i think one thing you should know in north carolina in his district, he is well respected.

he is respected as an independent voice in washington, trulyvoice of someone who has a conscience, someone who truly thinks about the soldiers here in north carolina and those who fight for us, the young men and women who volunteer to fight for our country. and to walter and to myself, neither one of us see this as a chess game. this is in checkers. -- this is not checkers. objectsnot inanimate that you move around. these are a precious commodity, our young men and women. greater find no advocate for national defense than walter jones. [applause] you may have heard about a little girl, she thought she would do something good. she wrote a letter to god and said, if you will send me $100, i will do something good with it. the postmaster did not know what to do with it. tohe said, i will send it

the president. he will know what to do with it. the president got it and he said , send her five dollars. she will think that's a lot of money. hergets five dollars and parents told her to send a thank you. god, thankd, dear you for the money. , don't send it through washington. they stole bunch. -- next time, don't send it through washington. they stole a bunch. [laughter] we can pretty much stop there. that moral is pretty much universal. why can government do it? is government inherently stupid? it's a debatable question. [laughter] here is the thing. there are a couple of arguments for why we should keep government to a minimum. number one, they don't do much of anything very well. in fact, you might say they even have trouble protecting the white house.

you would think that would be pretty simple. i tell people, there are two arguments for keeping government small. the liberty argument is what thomas payne said. he said the government is a necessary evil. is aou think my ho, that terrible thing to think about the government. and i think it is, because i'm part of the government now. but government is a necessary evil. y echo because you have to grab some of your freedom and your taxes -- why? because you have to give up some of your freedom and your taxes. it's not an argument for having no government, but for minimizing how much freedom you have to give up to have a government. the other argument is an efficiency argument. one simple, true statement --

nobody spends somebody else's money as wisely as they spend their own. do you think government people care whether it is $10 or $10,000 or $10 million or $10 billion? any more, we are talking about trillions. do you think they lay awake at them --ndering about wondering about whether they made a mistake today? it's someone asked for $1000 before -- to invest in a business in town, do you think you would think about that? yes, because it's your money. things are always more efficient in the real world. and you have to meet a payroll. you have to make a profit. every day, there is a signal back to you to be efficient. of thoset gets none signals. government is wildly inefficient.

so we should let them do very little. we will get at how to prosperity in this country again, how we will get jobs in this country again, it's a real simple message. keep more money in your community. send less money to washington. what passes for bold in washington is, hey, guys, i'm -- i'mvenue neutral tax for revenue neutral taxes. i say, if that is what we are for, i will discuss home. tv whentill yell at my i'm angry, but i'm not participating in what i'm doing to go to washington and be revenue neutral on taxes.

we have 20 million jobs created because we were boldly for what we are for. we have a big debate going on across the country -- how is the party going to get big enough to win again? i have been fairly harsh. i say, we evolve, adapt, or die. we have to become a bigger party , but we don't do that by diluting our message. are for, we should be more boldly for. we are the party of the constitution. we are the party, frankly, of the bill of rights. we are the party that will protect your rights if you are a minority. becaused be a minority of the color of your skin, or the shade of your ideology. you can be a minority because tou are a fundamentalis christian, or you are jewish, or black, or asian-american. for every stand up minority. the bill of rights is not for the prime green -- prom queen.

they will be seeded fairly, the prom queen and a high school quarterback. they always do fine. the bill of rights is for those who might be unorthodox, who might have an unusual idea, who might not look like everybody else. there are big debate in washington -- i think would've the biggest debates we've had in the last four or five years is whether or not you could detain an american citizen without a trial. i cannot imagine anybody who would be for that. at many members of our party were. and we had this enormous debate. one senator said to me on the floor -- i said to him, you can take an american citizen and send him to guantánamo bay for note -- with no trial? and he said, yeah, a are dangerous. who gets to decide who is dangerous and who is not? everybody remember richard jewell, the so-called olympic bomber? returns out of her but he thought he was guilty and he was convicted on tv and within hours, it turned out it wasn't him.

he wasn't guilty. but can you imagine if he had been a black man in the south in the 1920? what would have happened to him? protectsof rights minorities, whether it's the color of your skin or your -- or the shade of your ideology. we need to stand up for the rights of everyone. we need to proclaim our message with the passion of patrick henry, but also proclaim our message with optimism. said, paintnter who like a man coming over the hill singing. if we proclaim our message like a man coming over the hill singing, and when we proclaim our message with the passion of agger kenny, -- of patrick henne or he -- with the passion of patrick henry, we will be the party on top. i thank you. [applause] be a rat --e would he would rather be out in the crowd shaking hands. you can ask him your questions then.

[applause] kentucky, right? >> writes with a brick that is where i'm originally from. >> i don't know what senator rand paul is going to do in the future. but i know that politics as usual is not going to fix america's problems. [applause] i want to read just one slight sentence from the presidential both -- oath. mywill, to the best of ability, protect, defend them and preserve the constitution of the united states of america." mr. bush did not keep his word when he swore to the american people. this tour obama has not kept his

word when he swore to the american people. -- mr. obama has not kept his word when he supports the american people. but the man i'm going to introduce now will keep his word to the people. that is, the senator from kentucky, rand paul. let's give him a warm welcome. [applause] >> thank you. thank you. i'm glad to be in north carolina to endorse my friend, walter jones, for reelection. are you guys going to win him back echo [applause] i spent seven years in north carolina. i almost moved close to your district. we interviewed in wilson, almost a little bit outside the district. i always tell people that is my favorite trivia question.

do you know how you say wilson if you are no -- if you are from north carolina? in there.o add a "t" i am from wiltson. or if you are way out there and you want to have someone come over to your house you say, would you like to come over to my ouse? whatever happened to the "h" that ibo lost it? -- that people lost it? i went to duke and i will put my diploma the wall and people will think that is a good medical school and it will help me get patience. outt there in 1993 right her light and are made that shot against the university of kentucky, the shot that has probably been relayed more than any other in history. i was there when he made that shot.

the 1.4 seconds to go. if you really know your basketball, he get the pass and dribbled one. gerbils once and makes it. did you know that late never -- perfect game?a kentucky was ahead with 1.4 seconds to go, lucky shot off the glass. goes in, kentucky is ahead by one. and our phone starts ringing. we are in durham and we have a bunch of friends over for medical school and residency. this is in the day when you actually had a phone with the cord. i don't know if you have ever seen this. it was attached to a court. and this was in the old days. people actually answer their phones. people didn't screen. nobody answers the phone anymore.

theife popped up to answer phone. kentucky had made the shot and she gets there at about the time andleithner makes the shot whoever was there hung up. her brothers were big kentucky fans. it took years for them to admit it, but they were calling to give us a hard time and he made that shot. [laughter] and we had two big plate of barbecue and i said, you're not going to live long easy like that. -- eating like that. and he said, my grandfather lived to be 105. and i said, your grandfather did eatinge to be 105 by like that. and he said no, he lived to be

105 by minding his own business. [laughter] there is a moral there. maybe we could use this as a public cry -- minding your own business. [applause] i think a corollary to that might be "leave me the heck alone." if you want to be part of the leave me alone coalition, if we want our party to be bigger, maybe we ask people to join the leave me the heck alone party, we would have a bigger coalition. i am of that mind. i have been going to college and tos, conservative berkeley. i have been to every extreme. i gave them the same message and it is received in both places well. the message is, what you do or say on your cell phone is none of government business. [applause]

and people say, well, you don't want to get terrorists? want do, but i oust don't -- but i don't want to get 300 million americans to find the terrorists. sometimes we make the haystack so big we cannot find the needle. for example, the two boys in boston, we were warned by the russians that one of them was potentially a terrorist. he bet that she traveled back to chechnya and no one even knew he had traveled. back tod traveled chechnya and no one even knew he had traveled. do you know why no one knew that? because the computer could not figure out alternate the lens of his name. we are 10 years after 9/11 and we don't have a program to figure that out? tsa looks at everyone. everybody has to strip from head to toe and be patted down. people't we scrutinize

who are traveling from countries that might attack us? in a significant way. have a way where people who travel for grilling our country can do it -- why don't we have a way where people who travel frequently in our country can do it without hassle? the next time you have to hold your hands over your head for seven vulnerable seconds, ask yourself, is this the pose of a freeman? we have to be careful we don't give up what we are defending against in the process. [applause] i know a lot of you have been worried that your government might shut down. i have good news for you. your government is open. the bad news is, your government is open. [laughter]

your government is open and borrowing $1 million a minute. in the next 13 hours of my speech, we're going to borrow how much? know, can you imagine, and the next 20 minutes, we will borrow $20 million. it's crazy was going on with this. we have this big atul. -- this big battle. did you remember when the government shutdown? the president was afraid that your -- that you might not notice. y echo two thirds of your government is on autopilot. medicare and medicaid and social security is immortal. really, we were talking about one third of your government. but why would we even talking about that? because congress does not do their job. there are 12 appropriations bills. historically, we passed them one at a time and once they were pass, that part of the government is open.

we don't have any appropriations bills anymore. at the end of the year, the deadline looms and we look like a bunch of chickens with our heads cut off and we have to -- and we say we have to pass it before the government shutdown. it's 2000 pages. nobody can physically read it. we often get it at 8:00 a.m. and have to pass it by noon. nobody reads it. and to make matters worse, the last time we kept government open about two weeks ago, they spent a little more in the spending bill. we did him and have a debate. they just stuck it in. told, inconvenient time to talk about it. we should never send our honorable and courageous young men and women over there without having a debate about going to war. when the government shutdown about a year ago, we had about two thirds of it open in perpetuity. the part that shutdown was one

third. so we said, we should pay our military. now really, when the president was walking about how evil republicans were, when sixth of the government was closed. what did he do? he was afraid you might not notice. he wrapped the world war ii monument to make sure that you knew you were being punished for smaller government. the world war ii monument doesn't cost any money funny. -- any money. privateaid for by the donations. somebody's got to mow the grass. i would have mowed the grass. they wrapped it with barricades. if you want to remember one image of the shutdown, remember this. world war ii veterans cutting the dedicated -- the barricade and throwing them on the lawn of the white house. [applause]

we did learn some things. and congressman jones will confirm this. during the shutdown, they sent us a request. they said, list are essential and unessential employees. and i'm like, wow, we will learn a lesson. we will find out what part we absolutely have to have and what we don't. it was interesting. i have to fill out a list for my employees. let's find out what the irs's list looks like. i asked my staff. 90% unessential. we will learn about government. 90% of the irs is unessential. i said, call the epa. 95% unessential. i thought, we are onto something here. we will discover that most of government is unessential. i was so naïve, because the more i dug into this, i discovered something. guess what, if you are unessential, you don't have to come to work, but you do get paid.

be anis an incentive to incentive. -- to be unessential. think certainly we got rid of some bad ones. are you crazy? you can't fire a federal employee. it's insane. but they were looking at the epa, and they actually did something for the first time. they started looking at individual employees. they found one employee had not been to work in 20 years. disability, but had not communicated with anyone in the office for five years. do you think they fired her? you cannot fire a federal employee, are you crazy? they found another woman who had 17 members of her family had paid internships. she was also selling vitamins and other stuff on her work computer. did they fire her? are you crazy? we found another guy who had been downloading six hours a

day. certainly, we fired him, -- six hours aorn day. certainly, we fired him, right? my favorite was this guy named jonathan beal. for 11ed for the cia years. he was said to be gina mccarthy's right-hand man. he was really important. do you know what his expertise was? global warming. he's a big deal up there. he was gone most of the time. he had not been to work in six months, but he kept getting glowing performance reviews. race after race. raise.e after and we ask, why doesn't he come to work echo and his boss said, he also -- why doesn't he come to work? and his boss said, he also works for the cia. and they call the cia and said,

what about jonathan beal? and they said, jonathan who? they had never heard of him. i imagine jonathan beal makes $150,000 for year. makeu know how many people over $100,000. thousand federal workers make over 100,000 dollars per year. i imagine jonathan by the pool. his boss calls and says, jonathan, are you coming in today? istanbullike, no, i'm on secret assignment. [laughter] remember the v.a. scandal? the biggest part of the v.a. scandal is even when we caught them making up waiting list when people could have died on the waiting list, no one was fired. anybody remember line 11? anybody were -- 911? anybody remember anyone being fired over 911? we have spent trillions upon

trillions of dollars trying to be safer. saferor making the nation . but we have done ridiculous things. with bank $8 million in fargo last year. terroristsle, if the get to fargo, we might as well surrender. we give equipment to our local police forces. mine resistant ambush protected vehicles that weigh tape -- that weigh 20 tons. of allan investigation of the forces used in ferguson and we said, where's this equipment coming from? and they said, if the military. there is a surplus. they found out that one third of it is new. does this mean that we are buying stuff and giving it away to police forces that have no business having 2010 vehicles? 10 -- dundee, michigan, has a mine resistant 2010 vehicle in a town of 3000. vehicle in a town of

3000. this is america and you're supposed to be able to protest, but the thing is, we've got a little crazy with all of this. what we started with homeland security come in they gave wish lists to every state. indiana had 7000 earmarked request for homeland security. the mule day festival, the popcorn factory, you know, all of those high-risk terrorist targets. everything that we should do something good with to protect our country, they take the money and they do something frivolous. i wrote a letter and said, why don't we cuts and spending? thehe said, we have cut to bone. where would we cut spending? i gave him a list of a few things. i said, why don't we just not rehire anybody when we -- when they retire? we save $6 trillion per year by not rehiring people. if you simply freeze federal andding --, just freeze it,

the budget balances within 10 years. if you cut one penny out of every dollar, the budget balances within five years. how do you do that? has anyone here ever had to do -- deal with 1% less in income? people do it all the time. government does the opposite. they say, when you suffer, maybe you should spend more. maybe we should cut the budget to have less suffering. maybe we would have more jobs. [applause] this administration has been riddled with scandals. i think of old mcdonald's farm -- here a scandal, every room where -- here a scandal, there are a scandal, everywhere a scandal. for the first time, the they watched -- they let somebody go. but watch closely. they will probably turn up in some other job somewhere. the iressa, which does bother

me, and to think that you -- the irs, which does bother me command to think that you will lose over this. the one that bothers me the most, it's benghazi. [applause] the thing is, it is the job of the federal government to defend our country, to defend our indices, to defend our troops wherever they are. in the six months leading up to benghazi, there were requests -- there was request after request after request for more security. six months in advance of it, they sent a cable back saying, we would like a plane to be able to move about the country and even leave in a hurry if we had to. the state department tonight. ,hree days later, though hillary clinton's state department approved an electrical charging station for the embassy in vienna because it seems we were trying to green it up a little bit. theof the primary parts of

state department is not diplomacy, but greening up the planet. charged a station so we could show how green we are in vienna. in the meanwhile, we didn't have any money for a plane to fly our embassy staff around in the via. during the summer preceding the attack and benghazi, hillary clinton's state department spent 650,000 dollars on facebook ads. it seems they were looking for more friends for the state department facebook. spent 700,000 dollars on landscaping for the embassy in brussels. they spent $5 million on crystal barware and glassware for the embassy. the list goes on and on. in august, colonel wood, member ,f the 16 person security team send urgent cables saying, we need to remain in country. the british were already leaving at that point. there had been an explosion at

the british embassy and there were rumors of the possibility of assassination and attack. and they were refused permission to stay in country. in the middle of august 2 or three weeks before the attack, there is a cable specifically sent him ambassador stevens to hillary clinton. and when she came before my committee, that is the question i asked her. i said, secretary clinton, when you were asked directly, when you were sent cables directly from the war zone, from a nation just emerging from the war, from a nation in the throes of danger , from an ambassador, did you read his cables? was an acted as if it ether and it was somebody else's fault. and she was -- as if it was beneath her and it was him midi also stall. and she was not expected to read the cables. you're not providing for , that should preclude you forever as being considered

commander-in-chief. [applause] one of the things walter has talked about and i have talked about about the middle east is that it was not only the defense of benghazi that was bad to my but the whole war was ill-conceived. we were never asked permission the way the constitution says we should be asked. our founding fathers were explicit about this. mandelson wrote -- madison wrote federalist papers that the executive is the branch most prone to war. therefore, we took that power and invested it in congress. congress is supposed to vote and it was very intentional. it was to have a real debate for went to war. -- before we went to war. but we went into libya without authorization. do you know what is going on there now? it is chaos. they literally swim in our

embassy pool in tripoli. our embassy, what was left after the ambassador's assassination until just about a month ago, they could not leave by plane. they had to flee overland and barely got out of the country. libya has no government. radical islam. he blew it america, and people who would come and attack us -- people who hate america and would come attack us roam the countryside. why? because if there is one universal truth in the middle east is that secular dictators hate radical islam editing crew -- it creates instability. and every time a secular dictator has been toppled, chaos ensues. radical islam flies to the forefront and we are in more danger. it's not just libya. it happened under republicans watch. saddam hussein was a secular dictator. but he wasn't coming to america to attack us. but now iraq is full of people

who would come and attack us. isis is full of people who would probably be wiped out by assad, but we put 600 tons of weaponry into the syrian war. we created groups that hate us. they poured weapons indiscriminately in there and some of them have -- most of them have wound up in the hands of isis, some unintentionally. moderateof these islamic rebels do you think would recognize israel as a nation? zero. many of them have announced they will attack israel when they are done with assad. many of them have said, we don't really care about isis because they hate assad also. when we are done with assad, we might deal with isis. half of the free syrian army has affected and is now fighting with almost raw, which is -- with al musra, which is al

qaeda. heasked the secretary where gets his authority and he said, from the 2001 resolution. and i said, did not allow us to go into afghanistan? what does that have to do with 13 years later? and he said comeau, well, it defensecan provide against forces associated with al qaeda. and i said, it doesn't really say that, but if that is the way you are interpreting it, then you could use the resolution to attack the moderate weapons you are giving weapons to. it makes no sense. but he's going on with this charade that he can do whatever he wants. and finally, a said even if the resolution has nothing to do with syria, the president has article to authority. article two is where the executive branch gets their power under the constitution. so really, he doesn't care. none of them care. this of said congressman jones as well as i did -- as well as i. they just went and did it and

there was no vote. i think we do need to do something about isis, but there should be no debate about the fact that it should be done in a constitutional way. we should have debating congress and it should never be done unilaterally by the president. [applause] i've been pretty harsh about the republican party winning the presidency again and winning national elections. in certaing great congressional districts and certain red states we are fine. but i have said we must either die as anvolve, or party. we need to be a more diverse party. we have to have people in our party that are black, white, brown, with tattoos and without, hearings -- hearings and ponytails. to dilute what we stand for, but i've been going places that we have not been

going. i went to the urban league and i was the first in years, and the only elected republican there. that saysmessage secure about poverty and getting people employed. i went to detroit and said, we will help destroyed by leaving 1.3 billion dollars in detroit. i will not get it from north carolina. i would just let them keep it, money they would have normally sent to washington over a ten-year timeframe. it would be a billion-dollar bailout, but a bailout with their own money. democrats have nothing to offer detroit. but we got 3% of the vote in detroit. i think if we show up and have a plan, and we tell people who have difficult circumstances that we want to help them. aen suddenly, we transform whole electorate that has not been considering republicans and then we become the dominant party again. how do we do this across america?

we have to show up. as we do it, we have to do it with an optimism. we have to do it with a smile. we have to do it by showing that we truly do care about people, where they are and where they live. i'm her motive -- reminded of the painter robert enron. his advice to young painters was , paint like a man coming over the hill singing. i love that image. when we proclaim our message like a man coming over the hill singing, what we proclaim our message with the passion of patrick henry, i think we will have such optimism and enthusiasm and warmth for growing the economy and for getting a job for everyone. then i think we will be the dominant party again. they keep very much. [applause] -- thank you very much. [applause]

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and sunday, live at 8:00 p.m. eastern, the michigan governors debate. 2014, 100 20gn debates -- more than 100 debate for the control of congress. at the american enterprise institute in washington, d.c., louisiana governor bobby jindal talked about u.s. defense and the evil outbreak. here are some of his remarks. but last week, you said that there should be a travel ban for flights coming out of west africa. the cdc has said that position is wrong and would potentially exacerbate the crisis there and potentially bring it here faster. were you wrong last week?

>> i think it is common sense to simply stop the flights to make sure we are not seeing more patients with ebola coming into the united states. i'm not saying we should stop sending military or medical personnel to west africa. when asked a couple of weeks ago here in the city when we unveiled our energy plan, i was asked about the president's deployment of the defense medical personnel to west africa. and i said i understood why he was doing that. understood the rationale behind that. i'm not arguing that we should not be allowed medical and defense and other personnel in to. i'm just saying it make sense to stop the civilian flights from west africa into the united states. in the very least, and is a common sense step to make sure it doesn't spread here. said ebolant first was unlikely to come to the u.s. and i know is having a meeting today with his leading experts.

we certainly hope that they are better prepared. we like to say, hope for the best, but prepare for the worse. the reality is, in recent days, you've seen the washington post talk about how the who in recent years has shifted its focus away from pandemics toward other diseases. i think that was a recent mistake. you've seen in recent days that they got this wrong and they admitted that they did not respond vigorously enough when this disease was first detected in west africa. aboutwas commentary today the cdc also taking its focus containingg contagious diseases going into playgrounds and other areas. problem is when our governments and agencies try to do too many things, they don't do the things they are supposed to do very well. defense should be our first and most were -- most important responsibility at the federal

government. when it comes to the cdc and who, they should be prioritizing onir resources and expertise fate -- on containing, fighting, and eradicating contagious diseases, and protect hello world from what could be global epidemics. ebola is just one example. i think you've seen at the cdc and the who, taking their eyes off the ball. i think they need to be focused on their primary missions and more focused on their resources and expertise on those missions. but in terms of the flight, just make sense. you got a 21 day to bashan timeframe. incubation21 day timeframe. and you have others that say they cannot stop the virus from coming into the united states. and even the cdc is saying they are considering additional screenings for those coming from

west africa. it just makes sense to me that we would end the civilian flights as one step -- not the only step, but one step to help --tain an stop the spread of and stop the spread of ebola into our country. i do hope, not only for the ebola crisis, but future crises, i do hope there is a thoughtful analysis of what the who could have been and did not do. even by their own admission they said they should be more aggressive early on and could have been a much better job with containment before this spread. not only within west africa, but now outside of west africa. ending the flights is a commonsense step. i'm not calling for a ban on the transportation of medical personnel and other experts to west africa to help stop the flight. but i think ending the civilian

flights is a commonsense step to protecting our country. >> you can watch all of governor jindal's remarks any time in our video library at www.c-span.org. and former senators joe lieberman and scott brown talked about global threats at a forum held recently. joe lieberman now heads of a group that is aimed at cutting the funding of isis and other terrorists. and scott brown is running for one of the senate seat in new hampshire, trying to unseat democrat jeanne shaheen. about ebola and recent white house security breaches. [applause] >> good evening. it's a little different. i'm used to saying good morning. i do enjoy coming to these newsmakers series every year. at such a pleasure and thrill for me and i love meeting the special guest. i'm particularly excited about

this evenings to speakers. two speakers.g's in-depth, robust conversation about some of the most important topics going on in the world today. let me start by first former and potentially future senator scott brown. as steve mentioned, senator brown has made a significant effort to keep his pledge to isear here tonight, since he in the middle of a campaign. it's less than five weeks away to election day. senator brown, as you may know, one the 2010 special election -- won the 2010 special election term.ve out ted kennedy's then lost his seat to challenger elizabeth warren in 2012 will stop and he went back to -- in 2012. and he went back to producing

law and being a political commentator on television. and he moved to new hampshire, where six months ago he announced he's running for u.s. senate. announced globe has that his campaign is picking up speed and is increasingly possible. in fact, senator brown just told me if for points ahead right now. -- four points ahead right now. and with the control of the senate up in the air, he describes himself as a socially moderate and fiscally inserted. years in thed 35 army national guard, recently retiring with the rank of colonel. he knows a lot about the military. it's another title that got him a fair amount of attention when he first got on the national scene. in 1982 when he was a lawsuit and -- law student at boston college, he won a contest as america's sexiest man. [laughter] that led to some part-time

modeling jobs that helped to pay for law school. and he's here with us today. more than just a pretty face. [applause] >> thank you very much. tonight other speaker is also a former senator. joe lieberman is a graduate of yell college and you lost go. elected as a reform democrat in 1972 the connecticut senate and served three terms as majority leader. he was state attorney general for three years before winning election as u.s. senator in 1988. and actually, i covered one of his campaign stops as a cub reporter and i was growing up in connecticut. it's great to see him again. three times asd a third-party candidate. and he has gained a reputation as someone who works across party lines to find common grounds for the american people. he is in charge of a new project

that is aiming to a terrorist groups where it hurts, their partner book. -- their pocketbook. is perhaps best known as the democratic nominee for vice president in 2000, running with al gore. he became the first jewish candidate of a major american presidential ticket. and gore and lieberman won the popular vote by more than 500,000 votes, but lost in the electoral college. there were many strong speeches made during that campaign, but i have kind of a strange mind. i remember odd little facts. one of my favorite lines that senator lieberman said when excepting the nomination for vice president, he said, you we all know what is behind a really successful man, a really surprised mother-in-law. [laughter]

>> thank you. >> so senators, welcome, both of you. you being --resht appreciate you being here, coming all the way from the east coast. for you both. we have a couple different topics we're going to be discussing. going to ask each of the senators some questions and we can go kind of back and forth. certainly respect each other. i think one of the biggest questions, the most important do with national security. certainly a lot of challenges going on right now in the world, syria and iraq, against islamic state known ass, isis, also isil, fringe al-qaeda groups, the intruder in week.ite house just last senator lieberman, what is the -- that weeat that you face today and how do you think should respond? >> first of all, let me say

you, tori. and thanks to the lesher for what they contribute to the quality of .ife here the walnutions to creek historical society. i'll just give you a quick one-liner, which is my favorite, winston chur -- churchill. he was asked, how did he think history would treat him and he am confident history will treat me very well, because i intend to write it. [laughter] >> and that has appealed to me more and more as my career has on. so to me, to get to your question, to me, the most challenge we face in the world, if that's what you mean, of violent islamic

extremism, whether it comes in the form of the state of iran, islamic republic of iran or whether it comes in the form of various sunni terrorist groups like al-qaeda and now isis.ularly these groups threaten order, not mideast -- in the middle east, but in many other parts of the world. know, they attacked us brutally on 9/11 to begin this period of history. they clearly do not represent ofthing beyond the minority the muslim world. when these groups like isis or take over, most of the muslims, they are run, because to live undert repressive regime. we have to try to work to defeat give the people within the muslim world the courage to stand up and fight them.

forming, i'm part of i'm very excited about it, it's cep, the counter-extremism project. it's really focused on one kind funding -- one, trying to cut off funding to these terrorist trying to two, forlop a counternarrative young people growing up in the muslim world, to go for freedom the modernnity in world and not for violence and extremism. formerow got a ambassador from pakistan of the of germaner head defenseence, the former minister from australia. i think we're going to surprise support we'ree going to get from within the arab world, which is now are thending that they first target of these extremists, whether iran or isis. made thatnt obama has clear. there needs to be a lot more support from that part of the

world. of the mostne significant things to happen in this fight against our most serious threat to our security the fact that saudi arabia, bahrain, uae and jordan, all of those first air syria. on isis and some of them, frankly their participation was in a way symbolic. but the fact is that they were there. i think it's a turning point the privately we in sector group that i'm in, and the governments, can keep going, that's the way we're going to defeat this enemy and and ourselves. >> senator brown? >> first of all, it's an attorney to be here. we were -- it's an honor to be here. it's good to see joe again. is a mentor and friend. we served on the armed services together. to see you, joe. i think we need to step back, though, and see why we're here.

is isis, isis? it is al-qaeda of iraq. i'm not sureiraq, if you remember, but we signed a letter, asking the president not leave iraq as is, leave a transition force, a quick reaction force to allow the government to be there to lean on us in case they needed to. and the president did not listen. he did not do the agreement and left. and who came in? criminal elements and terrorist groups. that group morphed into isis, about the size of new england. and they're bank robbers. townso into cities and and rob banks. they get the money, hire mercenaries, steal equipment that we've left there. and now they're using that equipment to -- their mission, march down, is to pennsylvania avenue and plant a flag at the white house. ish all due respect, what our goal? to make sure that doesn't happen. iat we have noticed, what have noticed, as a former senator and someone who was in the military, is that there is a

of trust with us and our allies, a lack of fear and foes, becauseur of the president's incoherent and confusing policy on these said, withause he syria, i'm drawing a line. you cross that line, hey, you're big trouble. and what did he do? he did nothing. by also saying, hey, we're not going to use ground troops, i'm not advocating ground groups, why would you throw that pass and let them know -- we ine the greatest military the world. it is a deterrent if we say, hey, they're there in case we need them. there's a lack of coherent policy. badit has sent a very message. the only way -- let me just step back and say one thing. president to succeed. as an american, i want him to succeed. don'tt want him, and i want him to fail, because if he fails, then we are in trouble. you do it? the only thing we can do right now is to go for those targeted

after thes, go command and control structures, and arab our europe partners to try to find ways to push them back, arm the kurds, allow them to push on one side, allow the iraqi army to reestablish. they have to have the will to fight. they're five miles from baghdad. they have to fight for their existence. complicated but i believe we didn't need to be here. >> you had mentioned boots on ground. that's something a lot of people are unsure about. is that something -- you said you really don't think we're going to need that? >> no, i didn't say that. should never take our options off the table and telegraph what doing. general dempsey said there may we may make that recommendation. the president took it off the table. our allies are confused. foes are emboldened. i would rely on the generals on thatround to make determination. of course we don't want to send more me and women into harm's

way. iraqi veterans who have left blood, limbs and friends on the are so disgusted and upset about what's happening there. problem.al it sends a very bad message. >> if i may, i agree totally with what scott just said. so if we feel so threatened, as be, by isis and the terrorists, and particularly this unbelievable beheading of two americans, and countries, ander them,al is to defeat degrade and defeat them, as the president said, then you can't that by saying we're going to eliminate any possibility of ever using ground troops. none of us want to go back into anything like the iraq war again. but it may come. may come a time to protect our own security when we're to have to put a limited number of special operation forces on the ground there to

isis. and i don't think you ever want to tell your enemy what you're not going to do. want your enemy to be frightened about what you're going to do, particularly if, as are, you're the strongest country in the world. >> may i add something? >> sure. lot inand i have a common, one issue in particular. we know for a fact that there over 300 american citizens who have left america and are fighting alongside isis. by all reports, some of them have come back, upwards of 100. here, folks, to buy a house with a white picket fence. to hurt and kill us and change our way of life. joe and i had the foresight a years ago to file a bill that would restrict their -- citizenship, not allow them to hide behind the united states, the rights guaranteed by our constitution, use that passport freely to come back and north on a whim. keep them there, with their new friends. and let them stay there. >> right.

[applause] >> unfortunately, it was filed again in this last session. before they went on their second vacation, two things. they did not close the border and deal with the very serious and they did not also take up that very important has done, as france has done and other countries are doing, because they recognize, them there.eep let's not let them hide. and we're not saying, oh, we think -- these people are on facebook, twitter, youtube. i'm here fighting with my new friends and by the way, i'm back and kill you. that's are the people we're talking about. when you talk about the personal., it is we had one of our own in new hampshire beheaded. we had another one who went to high school there. it is personal. all the rhetoric in the world, with joe biden saying we're to go to the gates of hell to get them, with all due respect, the gates of hell have

shown its face in new hampshire. we want action. lack of coherent responsible action. that's thewhat -- problem. >> part of this is political. we'll get to that probably later. >> yes. scot -- scott and i are ifa similar mind, which is you agree with somebody, a colleague in the senate on something, you gotta be really irresponsible or dumb not to work with that person just because they happen to be from the other party. and this was one that i was with scottrk with, on. [applause] >> let me just add one other thing. wasn't for this guy right here, as you know i was the most 50/50.san senator, i worked with both sides, 50/50. joe, then't for insider trading deal never would have passed. idea. my susan collins brought it

up. we put that through this record time. >> you did. >> and unfortunately, joe, when we left, they weakened it. did.ey i believed in it so much that i began to claim it was my idea. my idea.ght it was [laughter] >> so you can share probably. idea.was his >> let's get back to immigration. you were talking about the need to try and close the borders. assume that's not just kind of the lone wolf terrorists but also concern about children coming across the border from central america. both, i understand, have been pretty involved in trying to tighten up our immigration laws. course. of we need to secure the border once and for all. been going on with other presidents. i'm not going to say it's his fault. fault.erybody's but bottom line, we need to close the border, because right now, the president expanding the definition of refugee, allowing

mostly young children and others to come through the border and saying, just get your kids here come on in, it's okay, it sends a very bad message. we need to secure those children, treat them compassionately and return them home to their home country, already have mechanisms in place, through the embassies, to deal with these number 1.issues, number 2, i voted on two secure thecasions to boater. i believe you did as well. i also voted to send troops to address theo concerns. that being said, i know there affectingissues immigration. but until we get to the core problem, which is once and for all, truly sending the message, cutting off the border, cutting the greencentives and light neon sign, we're going to continue to revisit this over again, and in relation to what's happening to -- it has a relation to what's happening potential criminal and other elements coming through that border.

we have learned there are throughls already here, the administration. something that keeps me and others up at night. and i want to have an it.rtunity to go fix ofso, look, we're a nation immigrants, except for the native americans. here fromors came someone else. it's the strength of our country. it continues to be the strength in many ways. but there's an immigration law. and people who come here illegally violate that law. so the whole system needs to be reformed. but as part of it, we've got to better secure the border. and then we've got to reform the laws. for instance, frankly, we've got to make it a little easier for in legally who are people who have the capabilities to be here. that's got tongs be part of an immigration reform bill is that anybody from a country who gets a graduate degree here in signs, signs,ring -- in engineering, math, ought to get a green card automatically. stay here, because

they're going to create wealth in our country. basically -- if the two of us were congress, this is my fantasy. we could work out a lot of these problems. did. >> but if you've got most members of congress in a private room, talking about how do you this, most of them would agree. it has to start with a promise secure thething to border. then you've got to deal with the illegal million immigrants and figure out a way that they come out of the shadows. taxes they owe. they have to learn english. theyhave to make clear don't have a criminal record. and they pay a fine. then you put them on a path to green card. then you open up the system to cape --f talent and capable from other parts of the world. if people aren willing to compromise. john boehner, the speaker of the

a while ago that he really wants to do immigration reform. got something, and i like this. the president is frustrated and going todent says he's do something by executive action after the election. boehner said, if you do that, mr. president, all deals are off. so i hope the president, particularly if it turns out the republicans control both houses of congress after the election, thepe the president invites speaker, the majority leader in and sits down and says, okay, grown-ups.ike let's negotiate a compromise and reform our immigration laws. [applause] >> i take it a little further, i think, than anyone who goes to colleges should have the ability to get a diploma and have the ability to stay here and continue on with their education. if we have a need for seasonal absolutely, nap -- no problem.

the irish and others are very low. we need to modernize those quotas. what's the problem? is it computers, approving authorities? let's go. let's fix it. that's the major roadblock right now. what the president is doing by an additional class of people, putting them ahead of who aremillion people following the laws, it's a disincentive for people to actually follow the law. we do, for me personally, whatever we do, i reward that illegality by providing them with ebt cards or preferential housing during that so-called coming out of the shadows period. do, we can'te continue to provide those benefits, because they're not entitled to them. earned them. and is there an opportunity potentially down the road? i'm listening but it's not going to be done until we take care of the basics. [applause]

>> earlier this week, i had dinner in new york with the minister of an asian country. he started out saying -- he'd here for a week for the u.n. general assembly. he said, i know you have in america.e and i know, number 1, the governments dysfunctional -- [laughter] >> i said, really? i hadn't noticed that. [laughter] said, but i think you've stopped appreciating the good things that are happening this country. incidentally, one of them, he said, was we have suddenly become an enormous -- we're generating our own energy now to at's going to skyrocket point where our our economy will continue to grow and grow. the second thing he said was, there is no country in the not from china. he's from another country in -- including china, where go to of talent want to

america, because they still believe -- and it is -- the land opportunity. so we have a lot to feel good about. [applause] a nice point to make. so i want to switch a little bit now. we're talking about borders and trying to secure the borders. but the one thing you cannot -- borders from is disease. i'm sure you all know that the ebola was of diagnosed in dallas, someone who africa, notm west contagious when they traveled but was diagnosed a few days later. he was in critical condition. it has been updated. that brings us to health care. also, today marks one year since california's version of the act, coveredre california began. i wanted to ask you both, first of all, about ebola. i believe you were talking to governor of texas? >> senator cornyn last night actually. he got the call at the dinner table.

they said you know all the facts. they seem to have it contained at this point. but obviously it's a concern. that itd have thought would be that rampant? it just goes to show the health ability to quickly respond in that part of the par. is not up to with regard to health care, i think people know where i stand. states rights guy. i can believe we can do it better in the states. believe the federal government can do it as well as we can in the states. i look at the v.a. and obamacare. obamacare is the v.a. in a couple of years. bloatd --eavy, bloated, a bureaucratic nightmare. it.ted five times to repeal you say, what would you do? you don't want people to have health care? of course i do. i voted on a plan that worked for that state. what worked for that state may not work for new hampshire. we have smart people in our states. we can develop a plan that addresses all of your concerns and i believe we can do it top-heavy. be less

we can really step back from the nightmare.c and don't forget, folks, we have a businessman date coming in after the election. the number 1 wet blanket. i don't care where you live. employers are keeping their hours under 30, so that mom, like my mom -- my mom and dad and divorced four times each. lived in 17 houses by the time i was 18. was lucky, hade a job for 40, 50, 60 hours and timeould spend a little with us. we were a pretty dysfunctional bit.y but -- a little [laughter] and now, she can't do it, keepingemployers are those hours down. now she has to work two or three jobs to make that time. time is gone. the benefits are not as good. prices.ying more in gas i believe we can do it better. i think we have the ability to better. and i look forward to getting and and repealing it

starting again. >> quickly, on ebola, i mean, it reminds us that we live in a cand where old diseases occur but they can move very quickly, because we all move very quickly. texas is a classic, that this is a man who went very to the from liberia u.s., because people travel all the time around the world. food moves all around the world. careful.ve to be i think the good news for us here is that we've got a great health care system. so far, as we've seen from the ebola cases that affected who have come back, they've survived, because it can in an advanced health care system like our own. panic about it. she sent me two e-mails that i got when i came off the plane be careful about shaking hands with people. [laughter]

lot ofut i'm sure a people out there feel that way. saying there's reason to be concerned and careful. and incidentally, at the texas hospital, for all i know, they that situation badly. as a result, unfortunately, because of their mistake, no hospital in america from now on that's going to have into the emergency room and report the symptoms that that gentleman felt and say just here from liberia and they say -- >> go home. >> hello! hello! >> take two aspirins and call us in the morning. [laughter] let's see. making a speech -- >> no, not you. >> nah. >> there's always a danger in inviting former senators, because we've lost the right to filibuster. i ended up voting for the affordable care act. it wasn't an easy vote but i

needed national standards. i felt two things. one is there are too many people in our country that didn't have health insurance and the rest of it, eithering for pause they were going to the hospitals -- because they were going to the hospitals anyway getting treatment, through medicaid particularly, and the second was that the cost of health care was going up dramatically. it was a tough decision, because clearly an imperfect bill. i will say that president clinton came in and spoke to us who were wavering. clinton logic, he said, y'all know the current inadequate. you all know that this bill is imperfect. but get it as good as you can get it, because you're going to come back every session for the fix it, because you just can't get it right the time. unfortunately today, because of

the partisanship, when there is a problem, people don't find it to sit down and cross party lines and fix it. goodne thing i feel about -- it was my final act when i signed out of this -- i demanded they pull out the public option, which in my opinion was an opener for a government-controlled health care system, health insurance health care system in america, which i think would have reduced the quality of health care and literally bankrupted our government. we've got work to do. i'd probably give it about a c-plus or a c so far. i would have given it a d-minus at the beginning. but scott is right. some of the most controversial -- that again. >> i better be careful! scott is right about what i'm say. to [laughter] which is, as in the businessman date, a few of the most controversial but most important

of the affordable care act have been delayed by executive order. >> hmm. when they come on -- happens.ll see what >> so... i love you. like a brother. brother. for get that. i'm your older -- i'm your grandfather. 18 new taxes. three quarters of a trillion cut medicare to help pay for another program. the businessman date has not yet.in it's devastating businesses right now. down,ans have gone deductibles have gone up. the coverages are not adequate enough. and you said it. we have the greatest health care system in the world. well, because of a lot of the reimbursements, doctors are shortchanged. our nursing facilities, they're not getting the adequate reimbursements, and our moms and and loved ones are being pushed out of the hospitals and

rehab facilities earlier. we have our veterans -- a letter came back from the v.a. they're slashing the reimbursements for our veterans in those facilities. i gotta be honest with you joe listening.e else i think people should have thess to health care or ability to purchase insurance to get health care and i believe we can cover people on medicaid and it.rs who need a state that i worked in prior andhis passed 198-2, because of the federal plan, that plan now is a mess. tried totes who have do it their own way and address all the things that everyone condition,xisting catastrophic care, covering your kids, you can do it in the states. i'm not saying let's not help people. i'm talking about let's do it ourselves. we can do it better. look at the post office. guys. the postal look at the v.a. if you think the federal better thanan do it us, we're just going to respectfully disagree. nationalpatterned the

health care bill -- taxes,idn't raise 18 new joe and we didn't cut three quarters of a trillion dollars. there was a loose association. >> who was the governor? who, by theromney, way, was right on russia. he was right on obamacare and he right on the economy. >> well, i was just reading consumer reports. analysis on health care. and i mean, you're saying it's the world, but there's a lot of reports that show you can get better coverage less.ch some places, you pay $800 for that.l or something like there's got to be a better way. stuff weommonsense need to fix. >> one topic and you both have brought this up. when i wentthing -- to cover the inauguration, i got nancy pelosi. and my big question for her, and

i want to bring it up to you, is can we do about the dysfunctioning congress? there's have mentioned this part tanship that -- par partisanship. backmeone who wants to get to the senate next month, what do you think needs to happen in order for the congress to be able to move forward? >> that's easy. an american first. i'm not a republican first. an american, a proud american. and one of the reasons i want to go back there, because i was listening to harry reid misleading the people about fast furious, benghazi, and i was plaing -- complaining so honey, goife said, down and get an american, a prod american. involved. the reasons i

the key is you need bipartisan senators. now, i was 50/50. you can't argue with facts. i was 50/50. virtually many people on 98% ofdes, they vote 99, the time with their party. that's not how you're gonna solve problems. the one thing, and i mean this wholeheartedly, that i truly joe, isnd respect about out of anyone there, he was the thoughtful, compassionate problem-solver there. when he left, the united states senate lost somebody very special. andif people like him senator collins and joe mansion way,ming along in a good there are good drat -- democratd republicans, social moderates, good people on both sides of almost every issue. but they forget about being an american first. and our country is in trouble. really is. we're in economic malaise. energy policy that's

problematic. our view in the world is not being respected. we have to restore america. to restore america. the only way you do that is to problem-solvers back or part those types of people, not only in washington, councils, youry assemblies and your state houses well. >> scott is -- [applause] scott described the problem really well. as my years went on there, i was so struck and disappointed by the fact that really, most people work so hard to come to congress. they're good people. serve the country. and yet they get there, and they these strangeto almost childish warring teams. and, you know, washington, our in hisresident warned farewell address against the