this stage is extraordinary. it's terrific. it pumps us up. we got two weeks to early voting, we're four weeks from tomorrow is judgment day and we know what kind of judgment we're going to have for all of us up here on this stage. so thank you for being here and helping that judgment come. good for democrats. let's go. [cheers and applause] in two days my grandson harper will turn 6. in one week on october 13, my granddaughter isabela, middle granddaughter will turn 10. my granddaughter save ana turned -- savannah turned 12 in july. mr. president, i think it was 11

days ago that you became a grandfather, right? [cheers and applause] september 26 at 7:03, charlotte came into this world. now, i talk about my grandson. if he lives another 86 years, then he might very well see the next century, and it's possible, eed be 91 years. -- he'd be 91 years old. now charlotte would be 85 years old and three months in the next century. i'm up here for that generation. i'm up here for your generation and i'm up here for our generation because we've got to make changes in washington. we surely got it start it. you know what the government did, what the republicans did

one year ago, and i'd like to say in honor of my three grandchildren, they shut down for 16 days. now wasn't that nice of them in honoring those three grandchildren, the two of whom had birthdays? we can't let that happen. that was a travesty. government is supposed to work for you and that's what we did for 24 years in north little rock city hall. we didn't shut down just because we disagreed. found things to make things happen. people told me you made things happen. we wanted to make sure that ings like verizon arena or dicky stevens ballpark, our trolley, our trail system or the things that make people's lives high quality, we want to do that for the seven counties that we represent in central arkansas.

we want to do that for this state and for this country and come november the 4th, with your energy and your blessing, we're going to make it happen. so i just want to come with these candidates, these democratic candidates who care about you, they care about tomorrow, they care about the future of this country. just let me say that we are up here to make things happen. we're up here to go to washington and ensure that we find ways to make the lives of our children and grandchildren better. and by gosh, we're going to do it because we don't intend to sit still and take no for an answer. we're going to find a way to make things happen and make washington functional again. i'm proud as i have ever been to be on this stage to be with mice ross and bill clinton. god bless you and all you do for the world. let's go get them now until ovember the 4th.

patrick henry hayes. and now city of conway, welcome arkansas's next governor, mike ross. [cheers and applause] >> hello, conway. how about those uca bears? my name is micro and i am proud to be the democratic nominee for governor of the great state of arkansas. .r. president, welcome home i'm running for governor to grow the middle class. i want to build on a foundation that governor beebe has laid, especially in the areas of education and better paying jobs. education, we need to start sooner and finish stronger. i have a pre-k plan.

if you're a parent and you you've got a 4-year-old, there should be a desk for them regardless of your income, regardless of your zip code. in congress, i voted to increase pell grants and cut student loan rates interest in half and we've reach make college within for more arkansas ans. e need a new focus on career tech so people young people can learn a trade and get a good paying job. and in doing so it helps provide our state with an educated skilled workforce we need to attract more and better paying jobs to this state. lower fair taxes. -- ngle mom earning $24 $34,000 a year is paying the same income fax rate as someone

making $340,000 a year. we are going to fix it in a responsible manner. [cheers and applause] and women in arkansas, they should get equal pay for equal work. [cheers and applause] we have a floon address that as well as a plan to protect survivors of domestic violence and protect them. this campaign is not me. it's not about any of us up here. it's all about all of us. it's about arkansas. it's about the future direction of this state. we're going to build on what president clinton and governor . ebe started here lets move arkansas forward. here's what i need tow do. number one, mark your calendars on october 20, get on facebook, get on email and text everyone in the world that you know that lives in arkansas and tell them

early voting has started and tell them why you're supporting the folks on this stage. encourage them to get out and vote early. and then mark your calendar for november 3rd and get on facebook and text and email on november 3rd and say, hey, if you didn't get around to voting the last two weeks, tomorrow is your last chance. and elections do have consequences. all these races are very close. we're working night and day. i'm asking you to join us over the next 29 days. if you would help me between now and november the 4th, i promise you i will work my heart for for you for the next four and hopefully the next eight years. let's move arkansas forward. thank you and god bless. >> the next governor of arkansas, mike ross. and now welcome to the stage our senior united states senator for arkansas, senator mark pryor.

[cheers and applause] >> thank you. thank you. thank you, arkansas. it's so great to be with you. thank you so much. i love this groud. i love being on u.c.a.'s campus. thank you very, very much. mr. president, governor beebe, there is one other governor we need to recognize, that's governor david pry pryor over there. let's give him a hand. [applause] these three former governors know what i know and that is mike ross is going to make a great governor. the election is four weeks from tomorrow and we have a lot at stake. now, let me tell you, i didn't come here to talk about my opponent. but let me take this opportunity to do so. [laughter] since we're on a college campus i can't resist to say that my opponent voted for huge cuts in

the pell grant program. he voted to cut or double the interest rate on the stafford student lone -- loan. in fact, he went to harvard, right, i know. he couldn't get into u.c.a. what could i say? [laughter] but he went to harvard and when he went to harvard, you know how he paid for his education, staff oord student loans? he has said he wants to eliminate the stafford student loan program. that's called climbing the ladder and pulling it behind you once you get up. he refused to sign the minimum wage petition. he voted against equal pay for equal work. right now in this state, women in arkansas when they're out in the workforce they only make .77 on the dollar and i'm prepared

to change that washington, ok? and he's also the only one in the arkansas delegation, democrat or republican in washington who voted to change the age of medicare and social security to age 70. but let me tell you something, i'm on your side, right? i'm on your side. and there's a sign on my desk that says it all that my father gave me right when i came to the senate, the day i was sworn in. it says arkansas comes first. arkansas comes first. that's what i mean. you know, he has his billionaires and you've seen their ads on tv. he has his billionaires but i have you. i have the people of this state and that's how we win this race. ch we rin this race one day at a time. we have 30 days left -- actually

28 days left until the election. every single day counts. we've got to get out there, knock on doors, make phone calls. today is the last day of voter registration. early voting starts on october 20. listen, this is crunch time. this is a time for all of us to kick it in gear and get all these democrats elected, a men -- amen? . if i were on the senate floor i would ask for what they call a point of personal privilege and that is, mr. president, or should i say grandpa, can i get a selfie? [laughter] let's do it. let's do it. we're going to do it. right there. hey, we got it. thank you. thank you. cheers and applause]

and now please welcome the most popular governor in the united states of america, governor mike beebe! [cheers and applause] >> thank you. thank you. i didn't know what we were coming here for today. i thought this crowd was gathered because you found out i just gave a half million dollars to u.c.a. and you wanted to thank me for it. cheers and applause] i >> i didn't give them anything. it was your money. it's taxpayer's money and i don't know how we can spend taxpayers' dollars for anything any better than creating jobs and education. if we get those things right, we get everything right.

which leads me really to talk steal am i going to your thunder if i mention something you talked about the phone the other night? >> no. those that don't know the president probably don't realize -- he gets by on about 4.5 hours of sleep and he loves to call you at all hours. and he can't stand to be alone so if he gets bored he just starts calling people. so the other night i'm watching a football game or something on tv and my cell phone rings and it's the president. and usually it's people calling during the day. i guess he ran his people off. he's calling himself. he says i'm going through these polls in arkansas and i'm looking at all these stats and one of the things that stands out is that people view mike ross and mark pryor as

individuals who can work with everybody regardless of their political party and can bring people together and can solve problems. that's what we ought to be talking about. we ought to be talking about who they are versus who their opponents are and how they can work together. cheers and applause] i wasn't going to do this but i've decided i'm going to do it. smart es opponent is a guy. he's a good guy. he's worked with me and he's lped me and he's worked with the last legislature with some major issues. imagine, he came out knowing better against the private option which has insured 200,000

people saved our hospitals, spent our tax dollars in arkansas instead of spending them to california and taking care of arkansas people and he knew better. that's enough reason right there to tell you we want somebody who will stand behind us and not ake cheap political shots. and if there's anybody in washington who decries the overt partisanship and the inability to get anything done across party lines and to try to do away with gridlock that exist up there, if there's any human being up there that personifies that willing tons work together, mark pryors d more and less of that other stuff. [applause]

i don't know if that's a dog behind me or what that is. whatever it is, i think he sounded like a democrat. [laughter] the president said it's a yellow dog. [laughter] and i have known mike ross and have certained with him in the -- served with him in the senate. he's tried to figure out how we move the country forward and work together in a fashion that allows problems to be solved rather than ideological differences to divide us in a fashion that nothing happens. so if you want somebody who will take a divided legislature, republicans and democrats, somebody who will continue what's going on with the previous governors of trying to ut arkansas first and make arkansas move forward, mike ross is your man. mike ross will be your next

governor for that very reason. he works with all kinds of people [applause] i'm not going to presume that every human being in this audyebs is -- audience is registered to vote. i'm going to assume almost all of you are registered to rote. i don't want to embarrass anybody so i'm not going to ask for a show of hands, but this is the last day to go register. anybody in this audience who is not currently registered, please go do it. are we registering anybody here as we speak? >> yeah, find somebody with a clip board. >> look at them. there they are. if you are not registered to vote, now, i don't want you having registered in washington, i last week and then -- only want you registering in one place. but if you haven't registered, please do so and every vote counts. a big turn out means these folks

win. and a big turn out by a -- really good, smart, educated hard working college students makes all the difference in the world. u.c.a. needs to lead the way in that regard and needs to show everybody how it's done. [applause] and now it is my pleasure to introduce somebody who really doesn't need an introduction, but i enjoy introducing him this way every time i get the chance. ladies and gentlemen, the 42nd governor of arkansas, bill clinton! [cheers and applause] >> thank you. thank you. thank you very much. [chanting bill] >> hello u.c.a. thanks for letting other people come. i saw a hendricks sign back there. thank you for coming.

i want to thank the u.c.a. staff for having us here. i want to thank the other .andidates who are here thank all the candidates who are here. i'm glad to be here for pat hayes, for mike ross, for mark pryor with mark beebe. there was a hilarious headline in a website called real clear politics and this is what it said. it said clinton goes back to the

reyer patch,: his arkansas obsession. but thank goodness, the reporter said you don't understand he comes back here all the time. i was in faulkner county the other day to look at tornado damage. i buried two cousins and one of my mother's best friend this year. i'm about to go to my 50th high school reunion. i hate it but i am. and in november we're going to have the 10th anniversary of the presidential center in little rock. you're all invited, by the way. i hope you'll come. i love my native state. without you, i never would have had a chance to do anything. and i didn't come back to the breyer patch, i'm here. i came back to the future of arkansas and the future of america. that's what you represent. the first thing i want to

say is you probably figured this out. this is not an ordinary election . and you see these polls are all over the place. i'll tell you a little secret about polls, they're all correct. you say that's not possible. but it is possible. it depends on who they poll. and they have to figure out what's the percentage of people by race who are going to vote, what's the percentage of people by gender who are going to vote. and for the most important thing by here, what's the percentage of people by age who are going to vote. these people are here with these clip boards because there are more than 10 people in this place that aren't registered. and we're here and we're going to other campuses because historically in non-presidential years there's a big drop off in the youth votes. and the opponents of these candidates are betting there

will be this year. and i'm betting there won't be. and it's up to you. [cheers and applause] nobody's got a bigger stake in this than you do. so i want to urge you to register and vote. i want to tell you why. rst of all, there's a reason mike beebe has the highest approval of any governor in america. he doesn't run away from his party label. he's proud to be a democrat. he's been for progressive things. but he believes he should listen to to and work with everybody. it's sort of in our d.n.a. down here. you know, i was raised to believe that i couldn't possibly be right all the time, and so i never said to anybody it's my way or the highway. i also believe we have to share the future and that we want a future of shared prosperity and shared responsibilities, and that means we need to share the decision making.

it's just the way things are. and we're too little too fight all the time. here's what i want to tell you. you know my foundation, we work all over the world now. i have three people working -- actually four in liberia where the ebolaout break has occurred. we were running an aids program there and they asked the government can you please stay, we don't have a health system. will you help us organize a response? and in our family we say a little prayer for those four people every day and that they won't be infected and that they will turn the tide. here's what i know, everywhere in america and everywhere in the world people are working together. good things are happening. and everywhere people fight all the time and think constant conflict and division and my way or the highway is the best

thing, good things are not happening. so you have a choice. mike beebe is popular because arkansas has the biggest drop in the percentage of uninsured people, people without health insurance in the country. e rank number one. people say i really don't like that health care law, 200,000 working families and their kids have health insurance because of it. [cheers and applause] ow, you got a good model here. just below us is louisiana. they took the my way or the highway deal. they said we're not going to take that medicaid money, not us. it's all bad. so what happened? we ranked first in the country in the percentage of the people who got health insurance and they're near the bottom because they wouldn't take the expansion and give working families the chance to insure their kids and

themselves. and guess what? it's just been announced that it's estimated that under the private option program, insurance premiums in arkansas will actually go down this year 2%, down. ? w, why is that because if you're under 26 and your on your parents' policies or if you're given the private option then when you need health care you're not insured. if you get health care when you're uninsured somebody else has got to pay the bill. in louisiana, blue cross has asked for a rate increase of 18.5%. the difference on average across the nation is $1,800 a year to families who are healthier and have more money in their pocket because mike beebe did the right thing working with democrats, republicans, independents, anybody who cared about putting

the people of arkansas first. and the same thing is true in education. you know what the national average high school graduation rate is? 81%. you know what it is in arkansas now? 84. and the real reason all these student loan issues are so important that senator pryor was talking about is we're still not above the national average in the percentage of people that go to college and get degrees. there are almost 250,000 arkansas adults that have actually done time in an institution of higher education and couldn't finish their degrees mostly because of economic reasons. we've got a big opportunity here. when pat hayes -- we've known each other every day 24 years and then some. i can tell you because i was president during eight of those years, he became one of the most

ushly regarded mayors in the the -- united states. u really got -- think he got the ballpark and such dealing with only democrats? no, he dealt with everybody. he didn't wake up in the morning thinking, i wonder who i can make mad today. if i make the right people mad, somebody from out of state will bring me a big check. everybody is trying to hijack our politics and you have to own it here because only your lives also affected. after this election they'll go off and worry about something else and you'll be stuck with the people who get elected. so mike ross i've known since he was a teenager when he drove me in the governor's race 32 years ago.

32 years ago. he probably wishes he were still a teenager. i knew he had something even then. you have an unusual opportunity in the governor's race and senate race because all four candidates have served in congress and they have all got a record. mike ross and mark pryor have proven that they will work with anybody to get something done and that they hate inaction and gridlock and shutting the government down and not anybody doing anything for anybody else. and they have done it under republican as well as democratic presidents. mark pryor was one of 14 senators, seven democrats and seven republicans who made the deal to break the grid look when trying to get judges. he got a higher percentage of his nominations approved than i did or president obama because

he helped break gridlock. as democrats we proved we were willing to work with them. mike ross was the leader in the blue dog caucus always pushing bipartisan budget bills and solutions to problems. the opponents can't say that. mark's opponent voted against the farm bill. 36% our g.d.p. signed to agriculture. we are spending way less on food stamps because unemployment is going down. but the money goes to farmers. and you heard mark talk about the other votes. i just to say that we know what they will do by what they have

done. if you like mike beebe's style of leadership you've got to vote for mark ross mike mark ross and mark pryor because they'll do it. now, just think a minute about what the attack against them has been. they are really running against the president, aren't they? they see these polls, the president is unpopular in arkansas and, yeah, the economy is coming back but nobody believes it yet because you don't feel it. but remember what i said four years ago -- or two years ago -- in charlotte. financial crises take an average of 10 years to get over. we just crossed over and aware now creating more -- and we are creating more jobs before where we were before the crash. six years, four years ahead of the global average for 150 years we are doing better than that. i don't expect anybody to vote on it or be happy because

middle class incomes haven't risen, the average family is making less adjusted for inflation than the day i left office. we're coming back. we've got 700,000 more manufacturing jobs. we are who making more cars. we've got 10 million new jobs. in three of the last four quarters, the growth rate has been 3.5, 4.5 and 4.6%. more jobs have been created here than in europe and japan combined. and they've got a lot more people than we do combined. so we are going to come back. so what you have to is ask yourself is, who's going to put the pedal to the metal? what does arkansas need? we more college graduates. we need to reform the student loan program and help people refinance those loans at interest rates. we need to give everybody a chance to pay it back with a percentage of their income.

mark pryor will do it and his opponent want. we need to build on the advances in education and figure out a way to abolish the distinction. this is my obsession -- abolish the distinction between what is academic and what is practical so that people can get college degrees and they can have practical skills, mike ross will do it. his opponent won't talk about hat. it's your future. it's true i just became a grandfather. you care about the future more when you get a kid or a grandkid, that's true. i thought that

one of the greatest privileges i ever had was being born and growing up here where i was taught not to turn away from anybody because of their race or their income or their political party. or just because they disagreed with me on something. i was taught by my mother that every now and then i would be wrong and i needed to keep my ears open. i needed to listen as much as i talked. i didn't quite take that to heart. but i try. and i'm just telling you, you cannot afford to do what their opponents want. they want you to make it a rotest song. they say you have to vote against the president. i promise you, last shot. it is a pretty good scam, isn't it? give me a six-year job for a two-year protest. that is mark pryor's opponent's message. i voted to cut student loans and raise the interest rate. yes, i voted against the

violence against women act. no, i will never vote for equal pay. would i give a vote for minimum wage. ou have to give me a protest vote. or in the case of the governor you have to really cast that protest vote. give me a four-year job this doesn't have a lick to do with washington, d.c. so you can have one more protest. does that make any sense to you? throw your future out the weekend -- window. what do we know? we know the average poor child, when he or she starts school, if they came from a family that couldn't afford to send them to kindergarten or afford a prekindergarten program, he

learned three million fewer words. do you think that word gap ought to depend on what your income is or your zip code. i don't. if you don't, you better vote for mike ross for governor. and pat hayes, it is true oeplz got a two-year term but one thing away know about him is he cut the budget, balanced the budget and still did more and he will work with people. i can say his opponent once gave him an award for being a fabulous mayor and now he is criticizing him for what he once praised him for. if you get a bipartisan budget deal any president will sign it. i have been there, i know. if it is bipartisan, it will be signed. pat hayes will do that work for you.

this is really important. if you really understand why mike beebe got the highest approval rating of any governor in the country, you have to vote for pat hayes and mike ross and mark pryor because they will do that. and basically the decision presented to our voters is this. that all makes perfect sense, bill, but one more time i have to cast a protest vote. why? because all of this outof state money buying television ads tells me to. i would like to think about arkansas and our future and what would be best for our children and grandchildren but i just can't do it. or you can honor mike beebe's ervice and continue his legacy by voting for what you are for,

not what you are against. that is the right thing to do. ever since i was a little boy we had all the civil rights trouble here i have been sick and tired of people stirring people up and getting them to vote for what they are against versus what they were for. how many times have we seen people do something they would rather in the do just because they are in a deficit. look at this campus. i have been coming here a long time. you have no idea how much better it is what all is going on compared to what used to go on here. look at this crowd. you have no idea how much more diverse, hopeful and full of potential it is. there is nothing that can hold s back but us. so, that's it. be faithful to the true

heritage of your state. aranged thatank -- the southern governor's conference to have the wonderful song"arkansas, you run deep in me" sung. when i was give we commissioned a contest to have a song for the 150th birthday. he end of it is i may wander and i may groan but i will never be far from home. you are in my heart and you will always be, arkansas, you run deep in me. vote your heart. don't vote for what they tell you that you have to be against. vote for what you know you should be for. vote for mark pryor. vote for mike ross. vote for pat hayes. vote for mike beebe's legacy and you'll be happy a month from now. thank you and god bless you.

cheers and applause] >> up next a debate for north carolina's second district house seat. renee ellmers faces democrat clay aiken -- aiken. the sk struck down rulings in same-sex marriage ban in several states. we'll hear about the new supreme court term later. we'll have more campaign 2014 debate coverage later. colonel senator mark u dall is running against congressman cory gardner. here are a couple of ads in that second district race. >> i'm clay aiken. when my mother escaped my

violent father we slepped slept on the floor of this living room. she worked nights at sears and bought clothes at the thrift store. at caused me to become a teacher to help children with autism. i'm running for congress and i approve this message because every child deserves a chance but too many in washington are letting them down. >> i was very concerned about the path that president obama had our country on. i talk to small business owners every day, the uncertainty that we're faced with, not knowing what's coming or if taxes are going to go up or if regulation is going to tie their hands. they need to be given some certainty so that they can be successful and create more jobs. this is what we need to do so we can turn this economy around for our children. i'm renee ellmers and a prove this message. >> now to a debate in north carolina's second congressional

district. congresswoman ellmers was elected to the house in 2010. mr. ache ebben is a former contestant. l" this is courtesy of wral. >> election 2014. the candidates for the second congressional district go head-to-head in their first and only debate sponsored by the north carolina's bankers association. >> thanks for joining us. i'm david crabtree. we look very forward to spending the next hour in pinehurst with the candidates its for north carolina's second congressional district. o term renee ellmers and her democratic challenger clay aiken. we are going to talk about a range of issues. before we begin, some background on the candidates.

>> clay aiken is a raleigh native who rose to fame with his run on "american idol." he taught special agency classes in wake county. he turned that into a nonprofit that sponsor programs, after school programs and camps that focus on including children with disabilities and activities with their non-disabled peers. this is his first run for office. renee ellmers was first elected to congress in 2010. before her election, ellmers served as a registered nurse for more than 20 years. she was also active in the dunn chamber of commerce and planning board. ellmers serves on the house energy and commerce committee and is the chair woman of the republican womens policy committee. ellmers and aiken are vying for votes in the second congressional district which stretches into nine counties in central north carolina. from wake to randolph counties

down to hoke and cumberland counties, covering fort bragg and here in moore county. the district has a large active and retired military community. >> ms. ellmers and mr. aiken my thanks to both of you for taking your time out and address these issues for the voters of the second district. i want to first talk about foreign policy because it has bubbled up in a way that we have not seen in recent elections. the world now has a new enemy, state, s, the islamic militants we didn't pay attention to until the last couple of months. two parts to this question, do you support what the president is doing thus far with air strikes in that iegeyoon of the world and if you were called upon to vote, would you vote to send ground troops in that area. we start with you, mr. aiken. >> thank you, david and congresswoman ellmers and the

bankers association for allowing us to be here. do i support every single part of the president's plan? i would say no because i think one of the problems is we have seen this as a threat. a lot of people have recognized isis as being a threat for quite a while now. i do believe we need to continue to support those folks on the ground right now, the iraqi army, the rebels in syria in pushing back against isis. isis is a threat. it's not currently a threat to u.s. soil but we don't want it to become that. so continuing to support them with arms, air strikes is a very important way to make sure that that threat doesn't come to u.s. soil. we also need to encourage those countries around that area to commit ground troops of their own. i don't believe the u.s. should be policing the entire world, and i don't want to use our men and women at fort bragg or any of the men and women who are

serving in the milingt here in the u.s. as g.j. joe soldiers here we place them in harm's way. as soon as we see isis as a direct threat to u.s. soil, i think we need to attack it whatever way necessary, but at this point i wouldn't support ground troops. >> i do support this idea. let me first start off by saying thank you for this important debate. let's talk more about the foreign situation. you know, this is something that president obama has known about for quite some time. his military advisors have been advising him for quite some time on the threat of isil and the emerge ents. remember back from 2012 president obama says that we were victorious in iraq. and that's where this started. so the emerge ens of this very brutal deprupe has come up as a

result of that, yet the united states needs to be there. before we left washington we did vote to -- for the president's plan to support. but we have to remember who we're dealing with here. this is the most brutal, heinous group we have ever seen. and we have to make sure that we're doing everything that we can do possibly to support our allies. you know, for the longest time president obama has been speaking to the world. went out on an apology tour when he was first elected and he basically said to our enemies, we're no threat to you, and to our allies, they do not trust us. we've got to rebuild that trust. now the president is going to be supported by congress. there will be great debate on this issue, i'm sure. but we will be there for him. we have to protect every american. and i will say there is already a threat here in the united states. and to the point of should we be policing the rest of the world, you know, i believe as ronald reagan did, peace through strength. the united states, our military,

the best military in the world, and being honored with representing fort bragg, we do need to be in the world. we have to show a presence of strength to keep peace. >> so if called on to vote, would you vote to send american ground troops there? >> i would. >> i want to follow up about what both of you said regarding policing the world. it seems like whether it has been al qaeda or possibly a group prior to that and now isis and isil we take care or we are unable -- we are able to prevent those groups from causing more damage and another group pops up. so what happens if this country does eliminate the threat from the islamic state, how do we deal with another group that pops up if we're not there constantly in the region? >> well, you know, david, you bring up a very important point. we never ended the war on terror. this is just an extension of it. >> can we end it? >> well, that's the question.

we're talking about radical islam. we're talking about jihaddists. we're talking about those that believe that this is the plan for the future. it has been in place since the beginning, and we have to make sure that we are doing everything we can to keep our allies safe, working with our allies, woking with those countries to make sure that we have a presence there and we are working with them. you know, when we leave, when we draw down, when we say that we're victorious in a land that we are not, that's when they groups emerge and we have to end that. to the point i support the president, yes, we will do everything we can to support the president on this issue but he has got to stop telling our enemies what we will do and what we will not do. it's just simply not an effective plan for strategy. >> mr. aiken. >> first, a few weeks ago she

spoke out and said she was not in support of sending ground troops into the region. and just a few days ago speaker of the house john boehner changed course and decided he believed it was important to send troops to the region. now we hear congresswoman ellmers saying she would send ground troops. to hear congresswoman ellmers to change her lead her tune because her -- she said you don't want to upset the boss. i understand that's her mindset and why she changed her tune now. the people of of the second district are her boss. i am not going to change my tune. i've said that i don't believe we need to send the men and women in the u.s. military in harm's way to protect another land. there is a threat and when we

have seen credible evidence, which military leaders, intelligence leaders tell us there is not a credible threat to u.s. soil right now, we can reconsider it. but simply going in and sending our men and women into harm's way because our party leader tells us to do it is not a viable reason for me. >> one more note on this. you talked about our allies in the region. can we depend on them? >> well, we have to work within those groups. we have to show support. but i do want to go back to what mr. aiken had said. you know, john boehner may be the speaker of the house but the people of district two are my boss and that is exactly why we're here today. >> no i agree. >> i'm reapplying for this job. >> i agree. >> what i want to clarify, and this is one of the things maybe as an entertainer you're not aware of, these things are fluid and when the president ask for support, he asked for it in a certain way. we gave him that support.

that is what we voted on. i think there is much debate and concern that that wasn't quite enough. and i agree. but at the time we allowed the president, we voted, we came together unified in a bipartisan fashion to support the president on this initiative. i do believe that there will be much more that we need to do. and as far as policing the world or the threat to the united states, we've already had a situation pop-up in oklahoma where a gentleman who is identified with the muslim belief has done a very heinous crime. if beheading americans is not enough call to action, i'm not sure what will be for you. >> oh, it's certainly necessary to make sure we're protecting americans, but i'm concerned with protecting those people this the second district. you did say john boehner was your boss. i understand if you want to change your tune now. you did say john boehner was your boss. you've been quoted as saying that. >> speaking of the men and women

of fort bragg, are you we spending must have money in the military budget and if not, where are we falling short? >> we knew the sequester was a terrible threat to our military. and military readiness is the most important point. that's the main ready reason that we are there at the federal level is to keep america safe. and having the great opportunity and the great honor to be representing fort bragg, i have to make sure that every everyone in our military is taken care of. >> where are we falling short? >> the military leaders have a plan of action. they know what they need to get the job done. they will tell me, and i agree, we have the best military in the world. they are the strongest. they are the most ready. they are the most capable. and this is what i hear from our military leaders. i do believe that we are certainly always going to be looking at budgeting issues. we have to make sure we're doing things efficiently, even within

our own military. our military leaders agree with that. as you will see into the future, there will be a call to action for the funding. there is contingency funds available. we will pass legislation to continue to fund our military as we need to on an emergency basis. >> mr. aiken. >> i think congresswoman ellmers and i agree about more things than she thinks we would. we disagree on the way things are done. i agree that sequestration cuts hurt our military. tens of thousands of dollars were taken out of fort bragg that was important to members of the military and their families. they hurt people at fort bragg. i also think not acting quickly enough to make sure the 440th air wing at fort bragg is able to stay at fort bragg instead of sending that money -- sending those planes to another state,

which is something that the military leaders at nort brag very, very clearly are against. you know, it's one thing to say you're listening to military leaders but you have to listen to folks at home. you can't just listen to the military leaders ellings where. the folks at home want to keep fort bragg strong, our military readiness strong. they want to make sure fort bragg which is the tip of the spear which is the place where the president comes when he needs members to be activated immediately we need to make sure they're ready. >> when soldiers return home or retire, they are guaranteed certain rights under the veterans administration. we know of the mess that the v.a. has been in in certain parts of the question. so the question is this, how do we correct what's happened within the v.a. structure so it doesn't reoccur and can enough money again be found for all the subcontractors and full time v.a. workers to make this

happen? >> i think proactivity is one of the issues. being proactive and making sure we see problems as they begin to arise. when you take a look at these delays in processing disability claims for these men and women who are coming back from service, coming back from active duty or deployments overseas, we knew at the beginning of the 21st century that we would be seeing an influx of men and women post-9/11 men and women who went to-a -- afghanistan and iraq coming into the system. we knew we needed to do a better job of making sure they're climbs were processed and their benefits were provided to them. congresswoman ellmers vote ellmers voted against a measure to process those claims and that's not proactive. instead of reacting to the types of things we see in areas, instead of react together tragedy we saw in phoenix, we

should recognize that in fayetteville, the head of the v.a. hospital in fayetteville says all she said for a long time is she needs more facilities. that's something she's needed for the longest time. she's got one of the lock longest waits in fayetteville and it's because no one has acted and done anything to make sure that those facilities were available. >> ms. ellmers. >> we have to do everything we can to make sure our veterans are taken care of. and, yes, this situation with veterans health care is very important. i did go down to fayetteville v.a. i went there so i could see with my own eyes what was happening because we do hear the stories across the country of terrible situations where individuals have waited so long. we have to take care of our veterans. doy believe that our fayetteville v.a. has a plan of action both short-term and long term to continue to take care of our veterans. i've heard both things. i've heard of individuals who

have had their appointments canceled. i've heard of individuals who are getting stellar care at the fayetteville v.a. they wouldn't go anywhere else for their health care. so this is an issue where we have to all work together. there again, because they have a plan of action, i'm very encouraged. you know, one of the things that they are looking at, the number of veterans coming back to north carolina to retire. north carolina is a draw. after serving in fort bragg many want to come back and live in this area. there is a plan of action in place and we have to do everything we can to ensure this. and i will continue to work with the fayetteville v.a. and our veterans affairs committee and all those involved. one of the other things that we have to do for our veterans aside from health care is making sure they have a job when they come home. i'm very proud to say this has been the third annual veterans job fair that we've been able to hold for that purpose. we want to make sure that their lives are full and whole moving

forward. i do want to go back to one of the comments though that mr. aiken made about the 440 ng. you know, it's -- 40440th. it's almost as if as an entertainer you believe you can go in with a song and dance and change the minds of our military leaders because you're going to impress them so much and those pink slips are going to be torn up and thrown into the air and everyone is just going to rejoice. that isn't the way it works. yes, there are funding cuts. it started with president obama's budget and our department of defense put forward initiatives. our military believes that we have the best and most capable military regardless of what base it's at. so when they make changes like this because of the funding they see this as a necessity because they feel that they are military ready. i disagree respectfully. i think fort bragg has worked so well with our air force and army reserves so we can have the best

collaborative effort possible. i question their numbers. and this is why we have to work together for this. the 440th remains in place, general scanlan has come to talk with me twice about this issue and the funding is there to keep it in place. i'm also concerned about the situation we have right now. we don't know what will happen and we have to have the most capable and ready military. >> congress wog ellmers is good at calling me an entertainer. that's great. i'm sure you practiced on that. the most embiresing show in the country right now is congress. the most entertaining thing is to hear you say you really worked hard. when you finally submitted a proposal months and months after we knew the 440th would be removed, you submitted it late. 440th does remain in place and we have kay hagan to thank for that because she was able to get it done. can you not say you're working for the people of the second district when you spend months not getting what needs to be

done and when you finally submit a bill or an amendment, it's submitted late and it doesn't even make it into the final vote. >> mr. aiken is incorrect. i am not sure where you get your high-quality information, but that is not the way it played out. we were aware of the situation from the beginning. >> you go on the senate site and you will see congresswoman's bill was submitted late. >> the senate site? site resubmitted your bill -- the only place. >> i submitted my bill to the house of representatives. >> let's move on. thank you for being so thorough. let's talk about immigration reform. if we can name a policy on immigration, i do not know what it is. people seem to be all over the place. a couple of things. we hear people talking about securing the border.

their border is 1900 miles long. 1000 miles of it is water, river. the rio grande river. how -- number one, do you secure a border? then i want to talk about the children who came through this past summer. we will start with you and you have called for securing the border. how do you do it physically? >> this remains one of the most important questions from a national defense standpoint of what we have to be doing for the country, making sure every american is safe. this remains the top issue. we have continuously voted for legislation to secure the border. there are laws in place that could secure the border. we have the technology. after 13 years of war, we are highly technically capable of

making sure this border can be taken care of. it is just a question of, will the president act? up until this point, we need to act. we called on him over and over again. governor rick perry of texas, i was just an arizona, it is a top issue for them because of the crime element that comes across the border. you talked a little bit about the children. this is also an issue we dealt with before we left washington and something i am concerned about. these children are coming from central america. they are being transported and paid for by their families to come here through drug cartels with the coyotes so they can come through mexico through terrible conditions and being subjected to incredible violence, human trafficking, sex trafficking, drugs. we do not even know if some of them are making it. >> what should we do with them?

>> what is happening, they are making their way. there is a little bit of a low because of the climate. it will peak again in january and february. they continue to come. we have called on the president to act. we have passed legislation but it is not gone anywhere in the senate. another bipartisan bill and we have passed 400 bipartisan bills and they are sitting on harry reid's desk. the majority leader in the senate. we have got to change that so we got the republican majority. then we can act. i have a bill. what do we do? by law, we have to educate these children. it is now a problem for our local communities. our local communities will have to come up with the funding. i have a bill that will take money from foreign aid and actually pay for those issues. >> we will come back to bipartisanship.

first, how do we secure the border and what we do with the children? >> i think it is ridiculous we are still talking about immigration reform 30 years after we started this issue. ronald reagan, in the 1980's, provided amnesty for those here and we did not secure the border. we did not enforce the law and here we are, talking about doing next to nothing or not doing anything. this absolute do-nothing congress that we see right now has multiple opportunities and the congresswoman has talked about bills passed in the house, but she neglects to talk about the immigration reform bill that was passed in the senate with a broad bipartisan support that has not been taken up. she voted to pass immigration reform. i appreciate that. i think she and i have a lot in common on this issue. what frustrates me is her boss, john boehner, who is not her

boss, has not allowed that bill to come to a vote in the house. it is widely accepted if that senate bill came to a vote in the house, it would pass. i would love to hear congresswoman ellmers stand up to john boehner. and say, let's put it up for a vote. it has bipartisan support in the senate. it would be passed and signed by the president and the house would pass it right now. the bottom line is we have been talking about this for far too long. >> would the bill help take care of the children? >> what would help take care of the children? what would help take care of the children is the fact we have thousandsof children in holding cells near the border and we have a number of judges here in these immigration cases, it is so few. we are talking about a few hundred judges for thousands of cases and they are setting these trials for the children into 2017 because we are not providing the resources necessary to make sure we take care of them.

>> i know the question on immigration. one of your colleagues, who was a congressman from the 13th district said to me, one thing , that was a touchstone for him, anyone who has come to this country illegally, should never be allowed citizenship. that they have broken a law and therefore, again, a touchstone, it should never happen. do you agree? >> this is something i've been talking about for quite some time. interestingly enough, as mr. aiken has pointed out, ronald reagan passed amnesty. i will be curious to know if my colleague here supports amnesty as well. >> we will get to that. >> number one -- one of the things i also want to point out and i would like to answer that because i have been strong with this issue.

when we are talking about legislation for immigration reform, before we left washington, we passed a very strong bill that would make sure those children who are coming, they are sent back to the countries of origin. that is where they want to be. the issue with the judges. we pass legislation to take care of that as well. unfortunately it has not been , brought up for a vote in the senate. you seem to be concerned or confused as to whether or not you would take a job in the senate or house of representatives. you would be in the house of representatives, if you were elected. nancy pelosi, she will be the one you will vote for in the house, who would be your boss. >> i am going to stop you there. nancy pelosi would not be your boss, unlike john boehner would be your boss. i would never said who i would vote for for speaker. whoever the speaker is would

never be my boss. it is a shame that you still believe john boehner is your boss. >> let's get back. >> people who are here illegally, they may have been working here for decades or may have just come across. should they be allowed a path to citizenship? yes or no? >> you point out an important question. what i have worked on, the discussions i have had and that is basically what i have tried to do is bring everyone together for discussion. let's talk about this logically and use common sense. take the emotion out. >> is that a yes? >> what i support is the individuals here illegally, working toward earned legal work status that would not be citizenship. the answer is no. this would not be amnesty. these individuals would not be able to vote. they would be able to work out in the open out from the shadow. >> but never allowed citizenship? >> i don't believe that never is the appropriate word. if they are here, they have admitted wrongdoing. they have paid a fine.

they've worked toward that goal and they admit it. in time, why not go through the naturalization process? >> mr. aiken. >> i'll tell you something. i don't know. i don't know the answer as to whether or not citizenship is necessary immediately for these folks who are here. this is a much more complicated issue. that is why we are still discussing it. the problem is people don't sit down and talk to each other. people don't sit down outside of their own party caucuses and discuss options. do i believe and agree with congresswoman ellmers? yes. right now, they are getting government services and not paying into the tax system. they're not paying income taxes. they are receiving services and not paying income taxes. they should be paying income taxes. they should be contributing to the same society that they are receiving from. i strongly believe that. i don't believe that they should be deported because that would

cost the country $200 billion over the course of several years. it would also take williams of dollars out of our economy in places like siler city, where almost half of the people are hispanic. it would take so much out of the economy. sending people back is not the answer. and whether or not a path to citizenship in any immediate form is the answer or in the long term is the answer, i don't know. i only know it's going to happen if people stop talking in their caucuses. listen -- democrats are not immune from this not getting things done. republicans and democrats are not talking to each other. and if we don't sit down at the table and figure it out, we're not going to have a solution. >> i want to talk about this, bipartisanship. we hear from people throughout the district, throughout our viewing area constantly saying things like we are sick of congress not getting along. someone said to me recently, no matter what you buy, car, home, whatever it may be, hopefully with your bankers, you're going to negotiate.

you're not going to get everything you want your way. mr. aiken, you have said i'm not a politician. if you're elected, you become a politician. so how would you do this differently than what we have seen if the past if you have a leader, nancy pelosi shed this when she was speaker that she was not open to what a lot of republicans had to say. she would listen but then it was may my way or the highway. how do you change that system if you were elected and ms. pelosi or someone or another democrat were speaker? >> i'm not beholden to any party, first of all, and i'm not beholden to any speaker, from my party or another one. i spoke to a congressman from a different district right when i announced a few months ago. he was flying home to his district on a thursday afternoon and he was standing there in --

and another congressman from his same area who is a republican. i said i will let you go so you can talk to them. he said, i don't talk to them. i went, what, you don't talk to them because they're not from your party? he said no. this was a democrat that wasn't willing to talk to a republican. this culture of people not talking to each other does -- is disgusting. nobody does that in the rest of the world or their communities or neighbors. i think getting up there and forming relationships with people is important. but at the end of the day, i do not subscribe to any sort of notion that i'm there to represent any party or any leader. no one in congress is my boss. the president is not my boss. the speaker is not my boss. the majority leader is not my boss. the minority leader is not my boss. at the end of the day, the only people you need to be answering to our the people in your district. >> if you don't fall behind the leadership in congress, you can be squeezed out of what you want to accomplish. it may be frustrating but that is part of the way things are done that get done.

>> does that mean it's ok for that to be the process? of course not. it doesn't mean that's ok for it to be the process. if i'm representing people in the second district, and they have a more conservative bent. if i'm representing people in the second district, they're going to send me back. and if i'm continuing to go back and the people who are doing what congresswoman ellmers does, then i'll be there long enough that i will be able to make some change. >> ms. ellmers, it does seem like that leadership on both sides of the aisle -- say i -- don't live in the real world. 75% of what i want i would rather get 75% of , something than 100% of nothing. neither sides want to blink first, either the house or the senate. >> well, and that's the comparison that we have here. the house versus the senate. when we look at what is and is not being done in washington, you know, i do have to respectfully disagree that there isn't bipartisanship.

now, maybe that's maybe not what american people see. in our 24/7 news cycle it , doesn't get ratings to have individuals, democrat and republican, on and agree with each other. but that's actually what happens behind the scenes. >> but you just said the senate won't take up legislation from the house. >> but what i'm talking about the house because i represent the people of district two in the house of representatives. you are absolutely right. we have passed over 400 bills out of the house of representatives with bipartisan support. we have worked on legislation. i have a caucus with one of my colleagues from california on the smart grid. we work together. the women in congress -- >> you will not give enough for the senate to go along -- >> if harry reid decides not to bring up a vote, unfortunately

he is the one who runs the show in the senate, we can't change that. we are the house of representatives, and we are working very hard. we wouldn't be in the economy that we're in right now. my colleague agrees with the president that it is exactly the place we need to be. this obama-aiken economy is just killing us. and yet we continue on. and the senate, harry reid protects the vulnerable senate democrats by not bringing up issues for vote and he protects the president. >> has congress done enough to boost the economy? >> we have voted over and again. in fact, david, before we left washington, we culminated a series of bills which we already passed the house with bipartisan support. we call job creation bills. in financial services, freeing up money within the banking system, doing what we can. you know, dodd-frank has been devastating to this country and

as one of my friends in washington said in the banking community said, you know, dodd-frank is to financial services what obamacare is to health care. that is very serious. we have done everything we can, whether we're bringing down the cost of energy for every family, whether we're talking about energy production, we're talking about cutting regulation. we want to give certainty to our job creators so they can start hiring again. harry reid refuses to bring these up for a vote in the senate. >> has congress done enough to boost the economy? >> no. >> what should they do? >> something. anything. they don't do anything. congressman ellmers, you might want to get a new writer because calling it the obama-aiken is -- economy is preposterous. i have nothing to do with obama. i can count several places where i disagree with him. i support the second amendment. i support fiscal responsibility. i support securing the border. what one of those is liberal? i'm not quite sure which one of those is liberal. i don't support the president on everything he does. i believe the president and the democrats are a part of this culture of not getting anything

done and blaming the other side. i don't think anyone is immune from that argument. at the end of the day congress has not done enough because every proposal that comes up if it's presented by a republican, the democrats vote against it, it if it's presented by a democrat the republicans vote against it. i am not disagreeing with you that the senate is not doing everything it can do to make some sure legislation happens. at the end of the day when you have either party in congress say that their primary goal is to make the other side lose that's the problem. , >> what does it seem like the goal is the party wants the victory and not the congress? it's like democrats want to do this, republicans want to do this and that seems to be the mantra. how did we get there? >> the bills we passed was with bipartisan support. when we see -- >> these bills that you are talking about, like job creation that you say are hung up in the senate because harry reid won't move. you can talk about bipartisanship all day long but

somewhere along the way senator reid could say john boehner, if you give on this issue 25, 30% we would move forward. >> the senate has the ability to come up with a comparable piece of legislation then we go to the -- then we go to conference on it. that is the process. it is not necessarily voting on each other's bills. we have done it in that fashion. the few things that have actually made it to the president's desk and signed into law has been bicameral voting situation where the house has their bills. the skills act, for instance. very important bill for this economy. we passed that out of the house of representatives. the senate passed their version. they conferenced on it. it made it to the president's desk and was signed into law. i think there's an important point that we need to make. one, when we're talking about republican versus democrat, it's very important to note that for the bills that harry reid is not

bringing up for a vote as i pointed out are bipartisan, he is also fighting against his own democrats. and when the president is protected by harry reid so that legislation doesn't make it to his desk, he is also harming democrats in the house of representatives. i work with these democrats. i work with members on the energy commerce committee. i work with them on pieces of legislation. i have a bill on re-authorizing breast cancer funding for young breast cancer survivors. we work together and it stops with harry reid and the senate, and that is why it is so important we win the senate majority. >> let's talk about the affordable care act. the house has voted numerous times to repeal this. obviously, that is not going to happen. even if there's a shift in the senate in this election, more than likely that shift would come nowhere close to being able to override a presidential veto.

it's the law. it has been upheld by the supreme court. why is it still made a political issue called obamacare put out there to try to shore up the base when the supreme court has said it's the law. if you want to change part of it, if it needs to be tweaked, go ahead and do so, but just accept it. it's here. >> let's talk about obamacare because this is a very important for me. it's the number one issue for me running for office. >> but it's here. >> as a nurse, knowing what we need in health care reform it's a law but it's a bad law and it does need reform. >> change it. >> this is the thing. when i hear so many say we have voted over and over to repeal it, we have voted to repeal it. we voted on reform for obamacare to make it better for the american people. we heard the president, this was a total deception, david. the president came forward when he was trying to get this legislation passed, he said if you have a doctor you like, you can keep your doctor.

if you have a health care plan you like, you can keep it. that was total deception. he knew it at the time. >> but there's also eight million people with health care today that did not have it prior to today. >> how many millions lost their health care plan and now have a subadequate plan under obamacare? this is what we're looking for as republicans. we know that we can do it better. you are absolutely right. we're never going to be able to repeal this as long as the president, the namesake of this legislation is in office. but we can work with our submit -- senate majority if we win it so that we can put reforms in place. we voted over and over again for patient-centered care where families and doctors are making decisions, not the federal government. >> mr. aiken. >> it's nice to hear the congresswoman say we can fix it and get it done. -- 55 times voting

against it is not fixing it. i met a man a few weeks ago who has two businesses that combined together they've got 59 employees together. he's over the employer mandate. he's got to provide hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of health care to his employees. it's hurting him. it's hurting small business owners. i met him back in march and he wanted to repeal obamacare. i saw him again in june. he said obamacare is not going to be repealed and he's mad that you voted 55 times not to fix his problem. he's upset that the employer mandate has been proposed by several bipartisan senators and moderate senators in the senate to be raised to 100 instead of 55. that would increase his ability to make money in his small business, hire more people and it would save tens of thousands of dollars around this district for people who want to start small businesses or who have small businesses. but 55 times you could have fixed that problem, congresswoman.

55 times you could have fixed that problem and you didn't fix it because instead you took a vote which you just sat here a minute ago won't pass. you're wasting taxpayer money and taxpayer time by not sitting down and doing things that the senate has already said they're ready to do but you're not willing to do. and that -- i'm a little frustrated but that frustrates me because that's another symptom of this do-nothing congress that would rather sit and grandstand and people are hurting from this. you're right, david, eight million people have health care. people who were being kicked off their health care care plan are no longer being kicked off their health care plan. but businesses and people are hurting and you're continuing to do something that you admit -- you are not fixing the problems. if you've got enough votes in four years to repeal it, then repeal it. right now, please just do your job and stick to their problems

-- and fix their problems today. >> well after all that theatrics, i just want to inform you we have voted on what you're pointing out. to the point of voting to repeal it it is not republicans that , continuously talk about those votes being repealed it is the , democrats. it is harry reid. it is barack obama, which you support. you support obamacare. and yet we have continuously voted to reform it. that's what we're trying to do. we're trying to make it better for the american people. it's not republicans that have caused these 55 votes repealed. it's democrats. because any change -- now i am talking. >> yes, you are. >> any change to obamacare is looked upon as a repeal by the democrats because it is the namesake of our president and you are in full support of our president and obamacare. >> again, i've spoken out several times right here today on places i don't agree of the president, places where i don't agree with obamacare.

there's several other areas that could be fixed. senator burr came up with a solution that he presented to change the ratio from the most expensive care to the least expensive care, something that not only do republicans and democrats they are willing to vote on but it's not a change in the house. there are a lot of things that could fix people's problems today. you say they're not repeals but you said to david just a few minutes ago that, yes, you have voted to repeal it several times. >> we have voted. >> make up your mind about whether they repealed or whether or not it would repeal. >> let's move on. >> i'm not sure i understand how you say that he's presented it to the house. he would present it to the senate. one against i think you're confused at how the process worked. >> i'm not confused. i'm well aware of civics. i also understand you're talking about the senate not doing anything and they are doing something. >> let's move on to something

that is of a concern to every consumer and in this district and the folks with the bankers association in north carolina and that's cyberattacks. there have been several in the news recently. it has been very serious for consumers, home depot, target, jimmy john's sort of caught everybody off guard as well and then others, national security. the list goes on and on. here's the question -- how does the federal government stay ahead of the criminals? do we need the government to hold companies more accountable for protecting people's personal information? >> yeah, we do. it's a pro-active thing. this is a change in society that we didn't have 10 years ago. it is something we have to learn. that's one of the reasons we have congress is to make sure we can pass laws when we see new issues emerging. we need to make sure companies are not able to require the passwords for facebook and

twitter for people when they're being employed. we need to make sure that the kind of information that companies are taking from their consumers without their consumer's permission, they're not able to do that without consumer permission. this is a gray area here and there's sort of a gap between the laws that are in place and the laws that should be in place and we need to make sure we close that gap. >> you can't get power at your house without giving up your social security number. you have to put information out there. how do we stay ahead and should the government hold businesses more accountable? >> i believe this is a great concern, especially to our young people. cyber security is a main issue for them because they have grown up in the virtual world going on the internet. their information can be exposed. there again, number one job of the federal government is to make sure that every american is protected and cybersecurity plays into that. we do need to make sure that our

businesses are the companies that are utilizing personal information online is being protected. so there are responsibilities to be taken. but this to me is a perfect area for us to build a public-private partnership. you mentioned cybersecurity, that's one of the reasons i helped start the caucus for the innovation grid. this is something that we feel strongly about. but cybersecurity plays into so many other areas because of the world that we live in today. there again, i'll go back to obamacare. one year ago we had the roll out of the failed health care dove. -- healthcare.gov. we have now spent over $2 billion dollars fixing that site. my friend would agree this is a good thing for the american people that we move forward when , their very important personal information can be exposed at

any given moment. >> earlier today the supreme court said they're not going to take up the issue of gay marriage. do you see a day in north carolina where it will be legal? >> well, you know, david, a couple of years ago the people of north carolina spoke on this issue. >> speaker tillis said that in 20 years it won't be a issue. ,when you look at the horizon do , you see it where it's legal here? >> you know, i can't predict the future. i don't have a crystal ball. i've been very strong on this issue. one, that the federal government, although i do support defense of marriage between one man and one woman, i believe that is what our country is founded on. but i also believe, especially as a republican, that the government can be too intrusive in all of our lives. we fight against that every day. when it comes to civil unions, legal agreements between two individuals, i don't know how

legally from a constitutional perspective we can continue to interject ourselves. you asked a very important question. i don't have the answer to that question. >> mr. aiken. >> can you ask the question one more time? >> yes, will we ever see gay marriage legal in north carolina? ever see gay marriage legal in north carolina? it surprising that the supreme court decided to continue to leave in the hands of states, the hands of the regional areas. i think my position is pretty clear. we spoke out very vocally against the amendment in 2012. i think the voters have spoken. it's not why i'm running, i am running because people need jobs. i am running because people need access to education and educational opportunities for their kids. but i do think that we will just have to see. the supreme court has left it in good hands. >> when you think is the number one problem this country is

facing today, and is it to me are rumored as the number one problem for the people here and the second district? >> it's hard to answer just one. i think they're intrinsically tied. we have seen the economy grow to some extent. we have seen joblessness dropped to some extent. i don't think anybody is happy with how quickly it's dropping or how quickly the economy is growing. i think the problem, the major problem affecting people's lives, the umbrella issue, is why we are not seen the economy grow faster and are not seeing the employment rate rise faster. we have people in congress who were not doing anything, to continue this culture of not working together, blaming the other house, winning the other party, blaming anyone to make sure they don't have to come up with ideas on their own to fix the issue. >> the number one issue for north carolinians, especially your district to and across the country, is jobs and the

economy. we have done an important job with state legislature here in north carolina, have done many important reforms. our unemployment rate has decreased. but there are plenty of areas within district two that are not feeling any sense of recovery. we have to continue to work on this issue. we are talking to women across the country. here in north carolina and elsewhere, they are concerned with the jobs and the economy, the fact that we are not creating jobs. job creator still feel so much uncertainty that they can't open up their companies to new employees. that continues to be an issue. the unemployment rate has decreased, but it is because so many has left the workforce. we have less our workforce today than we have ever had, and that is of great concern. >> should congress take any action regarding guns? >> in what manner? forms -ghtening of any

registration, i don't want to use the scope -- the word "scope," anywhere along the line. should congress be involved? >> i am such a strong supporter of the second amendment, the ability to own a firearm. this is a continuing conversation that we will always have. but when does this come up? when does this issue arise? when we have a terrible situation. you know what the real issue is? mental health reform. i had the opportunity to have a roundtable discussion, bringing in my colleague from pennsylvania, who has a wonderful mental health reform bill which will transform mental health in his country -- this country. >> quick response?

>> congress needs to make sure that people have access to guns, who are using them responsibly. my cousin owns a gun stored not too far from here. i want to make sure they don't have any restrictions on their gun ownership. peopleto make sure that who have mental health issues don't have them. >> we are at the stage of this debate that we are going to give each of you a chance to make a closing statement. it is limited to 60 seconds. you, it is notop being rude, it is because we are on television at the end of that 62nd. . -- 62nd period. tell the voters why he should be reelected or elected. >> thank you, and thank you mr. akin, and to the north carolina bankers association.

i believe that the people of district to have a clear choice. -- two have a clear choice. either they can send it back to washington to finish the job i started, writing for good, strong, conservative principles. this country is thriving to have leaders in washington right now. there is a clear choice. myself, who believes in conservative principles, or my opponent, who would be nothing more than a rubber stamp for nancy pelosi and barack obama on so many issues. i ask for your vote, i ask for your prayers, i ask for you to continue to pray for this great country. god bless all of you and may god continue to bless this great country. >> mr. aiken? on --nk you, commerce congressmwoman. i have advisors who want me to spend my last minute with you talking about stuff that the congresswoman has done.

i am tired already -- i just wanted to say i am tired in general, of sending people back to washington who say the same thing, and every two years come back and say it again, and don't do it. they go and they don't do anything, and i am frustrated with this do-nothing congress and the fact that we can't get anything done. i am running because we have to kill that culture. we have to send that message to congress. if we keep sending back the same people, we will continue to get the same nothing and the same status quo. i am asking for your vote on november 4, because i am tired just like you of nothing getting done. if we don't send the message that we are tired, we are only going to be getting the same thing. thank you very much and i appreciate your vote. >> thank you. we thank you for joining us

tonight. and thanks to the candidates who took time out of their schedule to come in and be with us for this hour-long debate. thank the north carolina bankers association for sponsoring this discussion. voter registration is tied up in the courts. your best bet is to register by this friday to ensure that you can vote this year. begins october 23. whatever you do, exercise that precious right and vote four wee ks from tomorrow. have a good night. ♪ more campaigne 2014 debate coverage from north carolina tomorrow. incumbent air credit -- democratic senator is being challenged by republican. we will have that here on c-span. he spoke to reporter about that race for preview. news pollest nbc

shows that incumbent democrat had a slight lead over her challenger. 44% to 40%. joining us is a woman following this as a washington correspondent. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. poll that the latest shows the incumbent senator slightly ahead of a republican challenger. what's happening? >> what people are noticing in polls is that senator hagan has been ahead. the race is still very much too close to call. but at least half a dozen polls in the past month have shown her head. >> why? >> a good question. the race has been tight. north carolina is very closely divided between democrats and republicans.

senator hagan has been making this as much as she can a vote done what her opponent has in the state legislature, his record. he has taken the state quite a bit to the right and has made some reductions in education spending compared to what they would require. that is her main talking point. >> a number of as she has been quick to point out that she has been the independent voice for north carolina in the u.s. senate. how does the campaign respond to that? >> all along they have been saying that senator hagan is too closely aligned with president obama. policies thatsome are unpopular with a large percentage of the population, particularly the health care law. >> as he look at the upcoming debate between these two candidates, what are you looking for? >> again, as in all of these

debates, it's a chance for candidates to show how they are different. some experts think perhaps they will bring up things that didn't one up in the first debate september 3. voting rights and gun control. it's also possible that some things that have been in the news of the past few weeks, like the ebola virus in the fight against terrorists in iraq and syria, will come up. this figure has been trying to use some foreign-policy issues to show his strength and to criticize senator hagan. >> can you give our audience a sense of the ground game? what do they have on the ground in north carolina? >> both parties are working really hard to turn out voters. it is more collocated in the midterm election when there is no presidential race. both parties have people knocking on doors every weekend as much as they can.

they also have groups that support them out doing the same thing. >> we are a month away before the midterm election. where this campaign is has its -- has it surprised you or is it what you expected? >> it is so close and everyone said it would be close. i can't say where to surprised -- we are to surprised. schoof is correspondent for the raleigh news and observer. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> you can watch tomorrow's south carolina senate debate andeen incumbent democrat republican challenger at 9:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. the supreme court began its new term by refusing to hear same-sex marriage appeals from oklahoma, utah, virginia, wisconsin, and indiana.

the lower court struck down same-sex marriage bans in all these cases. the supreme court's decision to not weigh in allows those lower court rulings to stand. next, a discussion on the supreme court's new term, hosted by the national review. >> on behalf of national review and the pacific legal foundation i want to welcome everyone,

including those viewers on c-span to our first supreme court monday event. our focus today will be on the cases the supreme court just recently granted for this term and those which they denied that they would hear this year and some cases that our experts think that the court may grant for the second half of the term. i'm the executive director of pacific legal foundations new d.c. center. before i introduce our moderator and our panelists, i need to thank the national review for hosting us here in their offices and for all that they've done to make this program -- success.is program a especially amy mitchell who has been behind the scenes doing so. the phone staff and with learned contributors who already commented on some of today's development. as for our panel today, i need to necessarily -- i do want to

hit some important element. lisa black wearing the very attractive cowboy boots. i'll explain those in a minute. she has argued more cases before the supreme court than any other woman who currently practices before the court. so far, she's only argued 32 -- 33, i'm sorry, but she won 32 of them. i know of no other person, living or dead, who's argued a significant number of cases who has that kind of record. but lisa has also earned great respect for her oral advocacy and her written advocacy. the supreme court law clerk has included her very easy oral argument style which i've seen on many occasions as -- exemplary.

lisa is also teaches appellate law procedure at georgetown law center. to her left is john elwood. john is a partner in a practice group. he has argued seven cases before the supreme court. he also has won acclaim among his peers as one of the leading appellate court lawyers, including his argue on almost every one of the federal court of appeals. john is also on the standing committee for the a.b.a. which helps the a.b.a. review its appellate briefs that it filed before the supreme court and other courts.

john also is a frequent commentator in the legal blog. he is a conspirator at the blog of conspiracy and he contributes to coverage of the supreme court. to the moderators left but generally to the right is my colleague jim from the pacific legal foundation. he has not argued as many cases in the supreme court but he's earned his grounds to be here today for several reasons. but since he's one of my bosses i will try to leave out the personal praise and stick to the facts. he is currently the litigation director for the pacific legal foundation. in 2001 he argued and won a case for a client. but i think that his status is

one of seven -- several of those were under his leadership as litigation director. but perhaps even more importantly are the dozens of amicus briefs that jim supervises that the pacific legal foundation files each year. there have been a couple of studies that have found pacific legal foundation is the most prolific filer in the supreme court for a public interest law firm and its effectiveness is among the highest as well. jim's own focus is the -- is taking domain, wetland where he writes and he's a frequent speaker of academic conferences. our host today and pardon my one handed shuffle here, our moderator today is greg who has

been covering the supreme court for bloomberg since 1998. he also writes for business weekly. he clerked for a federal judge after graduating from harvard law school. before that he was a congressional and campaign press secretary. many journalists later become press secretaries. greg went the other course and we all benefit from it. we benefit from his clear and effective reporting, particularly on the big story -- stories that are in the law like the health care coverage. he has also been part of investigative reporting teams for bloomberg news and as such, has shared on several journalism awards. he received the sunshine award from the society of professional journalists of the financial crisis.

he has received several other awards recognizing outstanding investigative reports. he's an adjunct professor in georgetown -- i finally want to mention his book. the book covers the effort by public interest lawyers, students and others to end racial preferences in colleges and universities. that issue resulted in kind of a muddled set of opinions that satisfied neither parties. that issue has come up again in

recent years involving lisa's all mater -- alma mater, the university of texas. what we found most interesting about greg's reporting of the case was it focused on the players and their amicus brief strategy which i feel only a very gifted supreme court reporter could have written back. i will turn it over to greg for the rest of the problem. >> thanks very much, todd and thank everybody for coming. this is going to be the panel that talk about all the supreme court stories this year other than gay marriage and i think everybody in the room knows we had some gay marriage news out of the court today. i think we should address that. the court denied -- on seven pending petitions which essentially lets same-sex marriage go forward in 11 states and we will now have 30 gay marriage states, many of which

are that way because of court decisions and the supreme court has decided it doesn't want to rule on the issue just yet. so i'll ask the panelists their thoughts on that development in a minute. what we will do is talk about some of the pending cases the court has agreed to hear this term and then try to get into some things that are a little bit down the pipeline that maybe the court to take up later on this term. and we're talking about -- i'm going to try to have questions at the end. if you have questions on certain things as we go along, please feel free to raise your hand and i will try to facilitate that. let me turn to the panelists and you all can start. whoever wants to start, start. i think there was a widespread expectation that the court had to take gay marriage and instead

the court said, no, we'll wait for now. first of all, are you all surprised as i am that they are not getting involved and what does it mean that the court is letting three med -- decisions from three federal appeals court stand and allowing gay marriage to go ahead there without them being the ones decided. >> you i am surprised. i didn't think the court would take them today. the thing that surprised me was there wasn't a peep out of the court and they were able to resolve it basically in one try. the court when it confronts a different case, even some marginal cases will have to consider the case again and again over several conferences. it only takes one of the nine justices to say i'd like more time to consider this to have it kicked over to the next conference. the thing that strikes me about this is apparently not a single

person was moved to write a dissent from the failure to grant it or that not a single person wanted to have more time to consider it. so it does seem to be a very conscious decision to kind of let it ride at the moment. you know, sure there is unanimity among the courts of appeal. ordinarily that is considered a criteria for a cert. when you consider other cases on the docket, it does seem to be there's kind of a disconnect between the importance of one issue versus the importance of another. with that, i will turn it over to you. >> we are going to talk about the under size fish case later on. >> when i think about why the court didn't take this place. you have to go back to roe versus wade and think of the aftermath of that case where the

public was outraged on one side and happy on the other. a lot of people said since then if the court did not decide row versus wade at that time the issue would have percolated through the states and they would have achieved the same thing. maybe the court was counting faces here in saying the liberals have what they need from the lower courts. why take this off up and bring all this attention and unhappiness upon us again. and the conservatives may be saying we don't know where justice kennedy is going to go. that leaves four, you need five. maybe they were trying to avoid the issue. >> i'm actually not that surprised. there were some things a little unsettling about the fact both sides were telling the court to resolve it. it's usually the person who prevails want to keep that decision.

and there as a little bit of fighting among the lawyers of who would take this case. the other thing that's remarkable, and you guys can correct me if i'm wrong, but i think only the states of oklahoma and utah were actually defending their bans on gay marriage. >> you also had wisconsin and indiana, they filed later. >> defending? >> defending their own bands. >> maybe it was only virginia then hand nevada maybe. i i don't e don't remember. i get the sense that why should they take the heat and all this controversy when they are going to make a lot of people unhappy either way. i'm not convinced they're still not going to take it. i know justice ginsburg was saying publicly a lot of this turn on what the sixth circuit does. if there is ever a split the court will have to take it. i don't think we know it that the court is not taking it this term.

>> [indiscernible] >> i think i'm actually not familiar except i don't count the politics or who appointed them. but according to the argument it was not clear that the challengers were going to win i think there can be a digs in favor of the state. there was this unanimous sway of opinions until a federal district judge i think in new orleans upheld the ban. so i'm not convinced that their done yet or this is the last word. >> one more question and we can move on. is it now inevitable that we will have a ruling legalizing same-sex marriage at some point? and the reason i ask it that way is there are now going to be 11 new states where same-sex marriage can go forward and can the supreme court say conceivably say to all those states all those marriages entered into, those were based on a mistake and view of the law and we are now going to change the law and future people in

those same sex states cannot get married. is that -- >> the longer it goes on, the harder it's going to be. >> i frankly think if there are justices who do not believe that the due process clause has anything to say about this, that issue is not going to matter to them. everyone knows this turns on one justice. this is all irrelevant, what we're discussing. oh, justice kennedy, sorry. >> i think that that's probably right. but it is -- you do have to keep in mind though that for the supreme court, at least where it comes up the most is in criminal procedure cases where they will change the rules of criminal procedure and throw 40,000 criminal convictions into question. and so that's the thing is i

think that it does matter to them how long it goes on somewhat or at least it matters to some of them. but there is a strong streak they will do what's right when the heaven's may fall among certain members. >> let's move on to some of the cases the court has agreed to take up. john, why don't you tell us about your case. >> there are some cases that have really good stories about them and your client's case is certainly a good factual story. >> well, it's an interesting case for this term and i feel a little bit like being a time slot you have to use a joke from seinfeld. i was surprised to see one of my cases as being one of the leading cases of the term. i think partly because there aren't block busters, but it is because it is an interesting case. anthony was a 27-year-old

working at an amusement when his wife of seven years left him and took both of their kids. this being the united states he decided to post about it to his close friends on facebook. there were statements showing a remarkable degree of understanding of first amendment law. one line in one of his posts he thinks the judge need an education -- there are some statements that are imagery which earned him a visit from the f.b.i. first it earned the attention of one of his other facebook friends who was in charge of the security patrol at the amusement park who turned it over from the f.b.i. and it eventually led to him being arrested. and he was tried.

he argued throughout that under the first amendment what mattered was whether he intended to threaten somebody and the government argued with the view of most court of appeals that the quote -- to quote the government in the closing statement, it doesn't matter what he thinks. what matters is what a reasonable person would view those posts as saying. if he didn't mean it that way, it is a matter of inconvenience to the first amendment. the supreme court added a second question which was we were happy to see it because if we had raised the argument one might have said the argument wasn't reserved. the supreme court can add as many questions as it wants. by coincidence since the fifth circuit gay marriage case involved judge sutton, he concur