again. vote, and ifor your appreciate your support. >> speaker tillis, it is not how you grow up. speaker till liss has slammed shut so many doors in our state pause of his policies. but i want to talk about what i've done to help people in north carolina. i want to talk about what i've tone to help our veterans. jerry is a marine who served at camp lejeune. his daughter, jamie, died of leukemia because of toxic, contaminated water on the base. when i first got to the u.s. senate, i worked with jerry to help get answers and to get health care for the victims. because of my bipartisan work with senator burr, we passed the -- passed a law in her memory.

now families who live and work at camp lejeune can get health care. that's what i'm about, helping people, uniting people. as we say, north carolina is the place where the weak grow strong and the strong grow great. i'm about supporting the middle class and being sure that everybody in our great state has that opportunity to grow both strong and great. thank you, george. and george i want to thank you for being here and i want to ask all volters in north carolina, i would appreciate your support come november 4 and god bless you and the people of north carolina. >> i want to thank both of you for participating. this does conclude the second north carolina debate. this was brought to you by the north carolina association of broadcasters educational foundation. on behalf of all of us, thanks for watching. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014]

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5 minutes. >> governor hickenlooper often touts an economic record of 200,000 new jobs and helped reduce the unemployment rate from 9.1% to 5.3%. you've been critical of his record in comparison to some surrounding states. specifically what would be your first two decisions to reverse hickenlooper policies that you believe would move the state in a better direction? >> thank you for the question, manu. and kelly and the denver chamber and everyone, thank you for the opportunity. when i talk to coloradans about what's holding them back, it's government. we've gotten into an era where it's government on the people instead of of, by, and for the people. when i say what do you mean by that -- they say regulations. john has regulations he's

eliminated but he's also put on the books 2,000 new unbuts. along with the federal government, about 100,000 pages of federal regulations a year. i wonder if anybody out there really thinks that what's holding us back is that we haven't been regulated enough. i don't think so. we have to freeze nonessential regulations. for safety needed let's stop it. audit them all. if we do that, we can get all of colorado moving once more. >> why not freeze the regulations? >> the -- constitutionally you can't freeze the regulations. there's a process you have to go through which is what we've been doing. we eliminated over 1,500 regulations, significantly simple foird dramatically changed over 5,000 regulations.

the important thing is we're trying to work with industry to make sure that the regulation there is -- there actually provide the safeguards that are necessary. when we went after methane, the first state in america to regulate methane emissions but we didn't do it by imposing regulations. we sat down with the environmental community and the oil and gas industry and spent the time to agree on definitions and created regulations that are now a national mold. that's the challenge in each of these cases to go out there and say, you need some regulation bus how do you get rid of red tape and the stuff that's getting in the way of the business growing. >> is it -- is the governor can'tabout that, that you stop regulations? >> but you don't have to sign regulations. the governor in utah did what i said. freeze regulations, eliminate the antibusiness ones, and

that's what he's failed to do we've got parts of the state, grand junge and el paso county, colorado springs, have had negative growth five years into this supposed obe ma-hickenlooper recovery. we had some decentre covery in this state, i'll stipulate that, but there's a lot of the state that's wondering, where is the recovery for them? five years into it this ought to be a robust, full-employment economy and frankly we're about 200,000 jobs short of where we would be if we had full labor participation rate like colorado historically has. it's declined 2% on his watch. >> would you like to respond to that? >> do i get double the time as well? >> take the time you need. >> you can measure -- the entire country is lagging in this recession. it's been a slow, steady recession and certainly nobody likes that. when you compare us to surrounding state the congressman states that our rate

has been worse in our state. our unemployment has come down about four points. the average of all the states around colorado is a 2.2% drop in unemployment. we're outperforming them. certainly in terms of new job creation, entrepreneur, we're four of the top communities for technology startups are in colorado. that's a remarkable achievement for something that supposedly has too many regulations. >> moving on to the next topic for the governor. talk about common core. critics of common core say that the program is too rigid. is a one size fits all education system. and that washington should back off and give states and schools the ability to raise standards on their own. supports of the law say it gives states and schools ample flexibility while ensuring that schools meet the high standards. if you win a second term, would you commit to keeping colorado in common core? >> well, i don't even call it

common core, i call it colorado core. just so we're clear, what common core was 10 years ago, governor, nobody in washington, but governors came together, the majority of them republicans, saying we need higher standardsful this was part of no child left behind from president bush which comes from -- which mr. beauprez supported at that time. we need to know that an a is the same in grand junge and in denver. we need to measure improvement in student achievement against other states. and against other countries. this globe is becoming smaller and smaller and education is going to be key to more and more jobs down the road. the point of the colorado core, each of these assessment systems have been personalized to colorado. they aren't a common core anymore. they are a colorado core. and i think they're going to work. >> and your response, mr. beauprez, hyde i'd like you to address your opposition to

common core in a vote you cast that would allow states to avoid being penalized for failing to meet no child left behind. >> what i introduced in congress is what i'd like to see happening in colorado right now. the federal government should block grant to the states the money and the authority to address education. you start by understanding that nobody loves a child more than their mother and their dad. why in the world do we need a federal government intervention into how and where that child gets educated. colorado historically has had great standards and we started that effort under governor bill owens. we've got good standards now. but here's the reality. talk to principals as i have, there's probably some in the room of course high performing schools and they'll tell you common core will actually cause them to have to dumb down their standards and their performance and increase testing so they have less instruction time and more testing time. thon governor's watch, ladies

and gentlemen, it's -- the scores don't lie. our third grade reading scores and our math scores in colorado have deteriorated. that is a tragedy and a scandal and one that frankly i will promise you today will be addressed on my wasm let's give opportunity to every child in colorado and it starts with the ability to learn how to read. >> why have those scores deteriorated? >> they deteriorated a small amount but i think the fact remains that we have serious challenges in our education system. we passed the reed act specifically to make sure that third graders are able to, when they finish third grade they know how to read. if they don't, we know they have a harder time catching up. we couldn't get it fully funded last year, we will get it fully funded this year. and i think then we'll see improvements. we worked with programs like reach out and read, a program to give every parent a book and each time they visit their pediatrician they get another book to make sure they're

reading to their kids. literacy is a big part. i agree there might be in certain places too much testing. we should look at how much testing. but we need common assessment standards. we have a legal obligation to have common assessment standards. if we pulled out of the colorado core, there would be $25 million or $30 million to replace all the work that's been done. >> you have 15 seconds to respond to that. >> you said score december tieror ated a little bit, when does it become unacceptable that scores deteriorate at all. how do you explain to the 2% of additional children who can't read at grade level, maybe next year it will work out better. this is a scandal that's gone on for too long. we collectively as coloradans ought to commit to solving that scandal to give our kids a fighting chance, to teach them how to read. >> staying on the subject of education, the jefferson county board of education has spawned a heated debate over how to teach

advanced placement course material. freewant to teach them the enterprise system while avoiding lessons that condoned civil disorder, social strife or defiance of the law. is it appropriate for schools to play up the good part of the history and dun play the negative? >> in my view it's important to instruct children. we've had too much instruction time lost because childrens and teachers have been out of the classroom and not instructing kids. this is something brewing between the school board elected by the people and by a teacher's union and teachers specifically. i think there's a way to resolve that i think they ought to resolve it as adults should, professionally and outside the classroom, but let's, for hetch's sake, get on with the main mission of schools and with teachers. >> you think that proposal is a good idea? >> i think an intersected -- an

elected school board has every right to look at crick lineup lum they have an obligation to look at the curriculum and if they get out of kilter that's what we have elections for. to resolve those difference tweens voters in an elected group of officials new york this case a school board. >> governor, what do you think about that? >> certainly our system delegates authority to the school district. i think it's more about the students, right. and i think their right to go out and protest for a couple of days is not going to endanger their final test scores. my understanding is that their parents are committed to them staying current with their classrooms. but in the end, it is an obligation of every school district, they are elected by their citizens to judge what is history? and for the life of me i can't see how you can get in that big a fight, we should be able to have our kids learn about the tea party but also about martin luther king. and i think that's just basic common sense that you want your

kids to get the full range of american history. the good, the bad, the expansive, the challenges, and let them sort through. part of a good education is teaching kids, you know, where we made mistakes and where we need to do better and to sort through complicated information and come to their own opinion. >> so you have concerns with the proposal work the jefferson count dizsh -- county -- >> some of the approaches were more than i would have gone for. but i agree with congressman beauprez that it is that school board's responsibility to supervise and nag curriculum. >> ok. do you want to respond? >> tonl point out one more thing that i think needs to be point out and that's that, you know, the governor's term, we have now fallen, according to the obama census department, to 50th in rank among the various states in getting our federal tax dollars back to fund our schools. we all are concerned about

adequate funding, we ought to start by getting at least dollars back from washington that we sent to washington that we've got every right to expect to get back to fund colorado schools. >> if you don't want to respond, i'll move on -- >> i'll just teleout, those measurements, we did apply, we won over $35 million for early childhood education. those formulas the congressman is referring to are based on affluence and how much money your state government spends on education. the poorer our your community and the more money the state spends on education the better you do in that. we've always been in the bottom five or 10. we are right now either at the bottom or close to the bolt tom but that's a combination of our financial success as a state and also the funds, the lack of funding we've been able to give the schools. >> i've got to respond to that >> 15 seconds. >> i've got to respond to that the reality is that we have fallen, average household income, he talks about the

affluence of our state but the average household income has fallen $4,000 in four years and four years ago we were ranked 42, not in the bottom five, but 42. we're not talking dollars and cent bus tens of millions of dollars of difference. the job of the governor is to go get what you have every right to have back as citizens and the retail is that colorado gets 84 cents back on every dollar we sent to washington. i don't think that's adequate. >> i'm going to move on to the next topic, the issue of fracking. hot button issue here. and local control of oil and gas. you engineered a compromise to ensure that ballot measures on the topic were removed on this november's ballot and tried to as a deal in the legislative well. what would you do if that was deadlocked, what are the limits you would set in regulating this

practice? >> first, i think it's fair to go back and look at that negotiation that got us to having commission in the first place. congressman beauprez wanted those, said he wanted to keep those initiatives on the ballot, that they would not have passed. we would have had a $50 million food fight and no matter who won, we would have been doing the same thing in the next two years. what we have now san opportunity with some of our, i think, leading citizens from across the state, really look at that conflict, right. we have an issue where we've got someone's right to quiet enjoyment in their home where they live and also someone who has private property, with mineral rights, in close proximity. how do we plans those rights? there are ways to find compromises and solutions that mitigate the impact of that activity on someone's enjoyment of their home. i think if he we do this, this isn't just a problem in colorado, it's in ohio and pennsylvania, it's in texas and wyoming, and we're really the

first state to sit down and make sure both sides are at the table and how do we find a compromise so we don't find it on the ballot in the next two years. >> before i move on, what would you do if that commission does not reach a deal? how would you proceed on this issue? >> i think that they, the commission, they can't reach a 2/3's majority which is what we set up, they've got to get to a 2/3's majority to recommend something for legislation, but if they can't do that, there'll be a majority opinion and a minority opinion and the legislature will tackle it. it's too big a deal, too important, this is a $30 billion part of our economy and to allow it to be put at risk is -- it affects almost every other business in the state. >> would you commit as governor if you win to listening to whatever that commission proposes is this? even if it calls for strong local control? >> i'll listen to it but i think it's a solution in search of a

problem, prankly. here's where i disagree with strongly with the governor. by doing what he did he, perpetuated uncertainty which has been the problem with the oil and gas industry now for several years. that's whenst what's been chasing investment out of the state. not only in the oil and gas industry but industry in general. overregulation and uncertainty breed just factly that. chase jobs somewhere else he referred to it earlier and denies it's reality but the labor department's own numbers say that the total employment numbers in the five states surrounding us are better than hours. -- ours. when you add in involuntarily part-time employed and people who have given up looking for work. colorado lags behind our five neighbors. part of the reason is what he's referring to right now he said that he would create regulation even if his commission doesn't come up with something, they'll find something to sign again. that's exanthly what's been the problem. regulation after regulation

after regulation, year after year, breeds uncertainty and investment will go somewhere else. >> is it too close? is there a limit to how close these rigs should be set? >> we have done this and i've personally done this because we had it impacted on our land. we have solved these problems in colorado historically for decades, and almost a century, by all sides coming together and signing memorandums of understanding and meeting in the middle. they've done it community by community. what we're trying to do now is regulate not -- not better regulate an industry but chase an industry out of a state. ladies and gentlemen, we've never been table harvest natural resources safer, more efficiently, wiser than we can right now. we ought to be celebrating that, not punishing that. >> are you chasing major industry out of the state? >> i think this is going to go down, next year will be the largest year of investment in the oil and gas industry in the history of the state this year was close to that.

clearly this negotiation was done with the industry, side by side, talking to them, back and forth, back and forth, making sure that the compromise in this commission really had a chance of succeeding. and trust me, the major players in this state, the largest operators, the handful of half dozen companies that drill 75% or 80% of the wells support this commission 100% and believe we're not overregulating. they supported the methane regulation to make sure we can guarantee people. what did i say when i came in four years ago? we're going to be the most pro-business state in america. we're going to hold ourselves to the highe standard. we'll have the cleanest air, the cleanest water and the way to do that is to get both sides, the nonprofit community, the environmental community, side-by-side in the same room and let both sides have their share on the floor and figure out what is the solution where both sides feel they've succeeded. >> why not take the environmental community's concerns seriously on this? >> we have his toirkly done that.

i've got to push back on what he just said. he's right he, brought a couple of bigs into the room but he just threw the small independent guys that need a voice under the bus and i hope you heard him say that. i won't do that i won't do that in colorado. the little guys who need a champion, need a real champion. they'll have in a this govern yo beauprez. >> ok. moving on. to you, mr. beauprez. immigration reform. of course, major business issue here in the state. dealing with illegal immigration remain ascenter priest of that effort. you said in a radio interview in july that if washington doesn't act, quote, governors ought to be allowed to do it as jan brewer tried to do in arizona. of course that arizona law requires state law enforcement officials to determine the immigration status of anyone they stop or arrest if there's reason to suspect that they -- that the individual might be here illegally. would you, as governor, try to enact a similar law here in

colorado, and how specifically would you target undocumented immigrants? >> that is a mischaracterization. what i was referring to with january brewer was that she defend -- with jan brewer is she defended the property rights and lives of people on her border. it had nothing to do with legislation. it had to do with jan brewer standing up when the efederal government for farmers and ranchers especially on our southern border whose ranches became uninhabitable and unudesable because the federal government failed to secure the border. that's what i respect not only about that governor but other govern kwlors say, wait a minute, federal government do, your job, and that's been the problem with illegal immigration frankly for both parties. there's been a lot of dialogue and a lot of back and forth for political gain and trying to get votes but there's been a complete lack of will to solve the problem. the governor said four years ago when he campaigned he was going to lead a march on washington to

somehow resolve this problem and i wonder how the walk is going. we've had absolutely no solution and i think governors are pretty much fed up with washington and are going to demand that washington once and for all solves the problem. >> would you try to do something similar, similar to what arizona did? >> i have never had any reference to the law. no. the answer is no. i was referring to her protecting the private property rights and the lives and livelihoods of her citizens in her case, especially on the border rm >> do you want to respond to that? >> i'm not sure he said that before huh but he said before the 10 million to 12 million undocumented people here should have to leave the country first before any kind of process goes forward, even if families want to stay together, even families should leave, cleansing or something was the term there. you said you want to take away the driver's license and repeal that utah supports, has the

driver's license for undocumented. nevada. they look at it as a crucial part of highway safety. i think there are four key ingredients we should get to get a national agreement on comprehensive immigration reform. i am working with the governors. i'm the chair of the national governor's association, i have 27 or 28 governors lined up, get an i.d. system that works, make sure there are consequences for people hiring people under the table and have a guest worker system that's robust. it's not just for technology employee bus agricultural employees, people where we have trouble filling those jobs. if we get enough governors together and we will do this i think governors can, i mean, we're not like congress. we work together pretty well. i can sit down with republicans and democrats and talk about immigration and really move forward. i think we can pressure congress and after this mid temple election i think we'll make some progress. >> he mentioned

self-deportation. do you favor that for people who are here illegally? should they go home on their own? >> i don't think that's necessary at all in the america we live. in one of the things i talk about frequently is that, shame on us, frankly, all of us, for allowing this to last for the last three decades in a nation as great as america and a state as great as colorado, we're more dignified than this. >> how do you deal with the immigration problem? >> he heard me say those same four things. you secure the border, modernize, enforce employment laws and have a system where people can self-identify, apply for legal status if they can pass a background check, they have a sponsoring employer, pay some sort of restitution, i think we can resolve that problem. but you have to start with securing the border and modernizing legal immigration so employers and immigrants can get an answer in a hurry.

>> do you want to respond? >> i guess the one part, and we worked hard on trying to put together the colorado compact and i still, i don't think you've signed that, right? i haven't taken a position, but the colorado compact supported by the colorado catholic conference, the denver metro chamber, attorney general southers, it's similar to the utah compact, it has six basic core values. it's the kind of thing that if we want to get to a solution. >> why didn't you sign the colorado compact. >> i want to ask him a question, why, with his president in the white house, and the president had a democrat senate and a democrat house, if they were so all-fired interested in solving this problem as the president said in 2008 and he said in 2010, why is it still out there? ladies and gentlemen, it's a failure of will. and we can talk about, well, after the election we'll fix it. but it's always after the election and then somehow people forget. this is an issue that america is

bert than and we better get after it in a hurry. if he's -- if he's in the big influential position of national governor's association chair i would think he could influence the white house but we're having no movement. we're having a lot of talk. >> i want to ask him a question. >> you have one, you can do it. >> just kidding. > so moving on, the state here of course, governor, to you a number of states are looking at what colorado has done when it comes to recreational marijuana, including the district of columbia. what would be your advice to those states? should they follow the colorado mod well the this hopes of increasing their own revenue streams and creating jobs in a new industry or was colorado's move a mistake? >> you know what i'd advise other governors, and i'm asked -- as you can imagine, i'm asked

frequently, i oppose it, almost every elected official in the state opposed it. we're not only the first state to do this, we're the first, literally the first country. even copenhagen and amsterdam they never legalized it, they just decriminalized it. and there are serious challenges when you're building something from scratch. i think other states -- what other states should be doing is taking a long, slow, careful look and see how it goes here. we continue to be very concerned about young people. right? we don't see any data that shows a giant spike of adults suddenly smoking marijuana now that it's legal. but we are worried that teenagers whose brains are still maturing and the studies, when we talk to neuroscientists and there's no study yet but neuroscientists are very, very concerned, they think there's a high probability that even once a week if a kid smokes a high-t.h.c. pot, it will have a probability to diminish their long-term memory permanently. that's like taking away i.q.

points system of i think any governor that looks at doing this before we see what the consequences are, i would view it as reckless. >> was it reckless here for the state to do it? >> i think that for us to do that without having all the data, there is not enough day tafment and you could say it was reckless. i'm not saying it was reckless -- reckless, because i'll get quoted everywhere, but if it was up to me, i wouldn't have done it. i said that from the beginning. oh, i'll say it was reckless. >> do you agree? was it reckless? >> so will i, john. >> so as governor, would you try to repeal the law? >> when you take an oath to enforce the laws of the state of colorado, you have to recognize that it's one of them now too. i think this is an area where john and i see things similarly. we've got to regulate it as tight as the law allows. i think law enforcement needs a

lot more funding but a big piece of this -- of the puzzle will be honestly educating our citizensed on our young people about the consequences. s that bigger public safety issue, folks. i think that's part of the discussion we have to have. i know the governor doesn't like me going there, but i saw the lead story in the denver post this morning, it brings up an issue i think that needs to be debated and needs to be part of this election. as "the denver post" pointed out, we are turning some very violent criminals, very violent, and mentally unstable criminals right back into our neighborhoods, right back out onto our streets and it's happened on his watch. the "denver post," kirk mitchell specifically said his staff asked him not to print the story. apparently you don't have to right to know the truth about who is getting released into our neighborhoods. this has been going on for a long time.

>> very specific charges, would you like to respond? >> i'm not sure what this question has to do with your question. i don't know which staff -- first i heard of that was the employee evidently was worried about alarming people, certainly not our policy and not something we try to do. this has been a problem never state and all over the country. when someone has served their time, you can't keep them. we tried to get a law passed last year where you could have civil commitment with people who have mental illness and people we deem a real threat either to themselves or others and we couldn't get it through. for a variety of reasons. i think that challenge, whether we give alerts, right now there's federal law limiting how many alerts you can send out. the alerts we can send out, we do send out. but again, we have to obey the law just like any governor does. >> i want to follow up quickly on that, still on the topic of

marijuana, you were with governor chris christie, he doubled down on the criticism that colorado's recreational marijuana laws hurt the quality of life. he said for the people enamored with the idea, go to colorado and see if you want to live there. see if you want to live in a major city in colorado where there's head shops popping up on every corner, people flying into your airport just to come and get high. do you agree with chris christie on that? >> i'm glad that chris christie has come to colorado and wants to invest in colorado's future. >> i certainly appreciate that chris christie voted for me as chair of the national governor's association, so he's not all bad. >> fair enough. now you have an opportunity to question each other, we've already had some of that but maybe this time you guys can respond.

first you, governor hickenlooper, you can ask your question and mr. beauprez, you have 60 seconds to respond. >> soy guess i would ask the part we haven't discussed right now, the -- your opposition to some of these statewide initiatives and support of others. you supported referendum a which was a pretty big water grab, voted down in all 64 counties. you opposed referendum c and referendum d, which were balancing act to try and make sure it could work effectively. in each of these cases you opposed getting a compromise solution for the ballot initiatives around fracking. you said you wanted them to stay on so we could get a resolution to those. those stands seem, at least to me on the surface, not take into consideration the long-term consequences for the state. i wanted to ask you to give some reasons for or a reason for

them. >> somebody who is a third generation coloradan on my dad's side and fifth on my mom's side, for somebody to suggest i don't have the long-term interests of colorado in my heart, that's not very well thought through, govern josh. i do have the long-term interests at heart. referendum a was a long-term storage probblingt. i did disagree with c and d because i thought there were other options, very good options, such as securitizing tobacco recrepts. that's a difference of public policy you seem to have a habit of getting paralyzed by, you call it collaboration or conflict. i don't. i don't have a problem looking at an issue, sometimes very difficult issues, making a decision, and then leave. that's what i would have done on these energy, so-called,

initiatives with your friend jared polis. i would have beat them back and created some certainty in the marketplace which has been desperately lacking. instead of kicking the can down the road and perpetuating uncertainty, i'd like to resolve it. >> your turn to query the governor. >> governor, picking up on the point we were just at, it strikes me as curious that you took some exception with what your spokesman said in the newspaper and what the newspaper said about your office. you said you weren't trying to keep this evident this information, about parolees, violent parolees away from the public but in fact, kirk mitchell of "the denver post" said your office tried to keep them from publishing them. you said you didn't know, he said they contacted your office, you weren't available for comment and your own spokesman was on record as contradicting what you did that said your department of corrections head

said that legislative fixes weren't on the agenda, certainly not this year. so why don't you just tell us where is all that? because it alarms me, these aren't isolated instances of grave concern, i think, to the citizens of colorado when people this violent, that are sworn to, once they get out, go commit mass murders, as the newspaper chronicled this morning, this is a very serious public safety issue. i think sentencing and parole policies in colorado do need to be addressed. >> certainly we have been addressing parole issues and the reform of things like solitary confinement more aggressively than probably any state in the country. i don't think it was someone in my office. i think it was someone in the department of corrections that said they hoped it didn't get publicized. that's the part i hadn't heard about. i did hear on friday they were asking questions, i talked to rick ramish and questioned him,

these folks make threat, if i get out i'm going to get a gun and kill everybody in the department of corrections. well, that is a threat that should be taken seriously but it's hard to prosecute and the district attorney, there are so many threats coming out of these prisoners that especially the ones who have mental illness challenges that they're having a hard time to work through that. is there a way to do legislation that could address that? there might be. and i'm happy to look at it. you're going to accuse me of taking too long, why haven't i done it before -- deliberation isn't necessarily a weakness. some people see it as a strength. >> moving a topic of interest in this room, labor. mr. beauprez a number of republican governors have moved to weaken the pow over labor unions and collective bargaining restrictions and turned their state into right-to-work states. would you push to amend the state constitution to make this state a right-to-work state or

is the current system working? >> i've always favored right to work and i wish colorado was a right-to-work state, yes. i don't know that it's a top legislative priority right now given the makeup of our state legislature, there's a boist a political reality. do i favor a competitive work environment? yes. i feel it will benefit colorado's business community, colorado's economy and if it's a benefit to that economy and job creation and growth and opportunity, i'm for it. >> but you wouldn't make it a top legislation priority. >> if i can get it passed i'd be gld to sign it. >> similar issue on the minimum wage, governor hickenlooper. at the denver post debate, you said yeah, sure, when asked if you backed a minimum wage increase, it's about $8.00 per hour pursuant to the requirements in the colorado state constitution. democrats in washington want to increase it to $10.10 an hour. if you could expand on your thinking on this, would you push

your -- put your political capital on the line in a second torme push for a change to more significantly increase the minimum wage in this state? >> i'm not sure i'd push for it. it was one of those yes or no questions and there's a lot attached to that in colorado we have our own system, it's in our constitution. so we're already increasing our minimum wage along with inflution. -- inflation. the question didn't really attach to our processes in colorado. i do think it's worth discussing, how do we get more people as consumers? and within that, if you're going to have an increase in minimum wage, how do you make sure young kids coming out of school, that there's an allocation or capacity so they can get that first job, so some kid who is 16, 17, 18, dropped out of school, they're trying to start out and maybe they should have the opportunity to have a lower wage. same thing, one of the battles we had when the state minimum wage issue swent into the constitution, a lot of us restaurant folks, we have many of the highest paid employees in

our restaurant are bartenders and wait staff. and the federal minimum wage has what's called a tip credit. it means that the -- their minimum wage is essentially half of what the other minimum wage is. i think that opportunity to, when we put in our state constitution, we just glossed over that and that tip credit wasn't included. when you're trying to pay more money to your line cooks and people in the kitchen which almost every restaurateur i know is trying to figure out, your hands are tied because you have to give a raise to some of the folks with the highest compensation. that's something i would work on. >> in your rebuttal, i'm wondering if you would agree with concerns raised by this philosophical objection to the minimum wage saying the market should set the wages not the government. do you agree with that criticism and do you think the minimum wage should even exist? >> well, i certainly wouldn't increase it and the reason is because the evidence is

overwhelming that every time you increase it you actually do just the opposite of what the stated objective is. instead of creating jobs, you reduce the number of jobs. >> should it exist? should the minimum wage even exist? >> well, we have it. i'm not for eliminating it but i'm not for raising it right now. here's a piece -- another piece of reality that i think is important. i talk a lot about where we're at relative to other states where the economy stands, the fact that we're supposedly five years into a recovery and we've still got negative growth in parts of colorado. i looked deeper at some of those numbers and where the negative growth is also happening is the people that this administration, including the governor, were pledged to help. low income people and especially women or minority communities, that's where the jobs have been the slowest coming to. and the data is pretty clear on that. and i think that's a tragedy. doing things like increasing the minimum wage, nice window

dressing but it's counterproductive. what we have to do is get the whole economy moving again. you do that by incentivizing investment and growth, not by punishing it. we've had quite enough punishment. >> we're almost out of time and time for closing statements. mr. beauprez, since you have won the drawing you get to go first. you have 90 seconds. >> thank you very much for being here today. not only the ones in this room and kelly and your chamber, your partners, but all those who might be watching and reading about this later. colorado is a special place. i think we'd all agree on that the fact that we're here, we say, gee we're doing pretty good, we're in colorado, after all. isn't that great? it is. it's the only home i've ever had my wife claudia is with me today, our daughter two granddaughters, it's the only home we ever want. when i ask people how you're feeling about colorado, you say, you know, we don't feel quite as good as we normally do.

just not colorado. why is that? because we've turned things on its head. instead of government of, by, and for the people, the state that big dreams always happening, dreams that claudia and i never imagined came true for us. people tell us they're not sure that's going to be the future of colorado. why is that? teachers, small business people, large people people, farmers and reaveragers, say government is getting in my way. government is holding me back obviously the governor's watch this has all happened and it wasn't supposed to be like that. he didn't veto a single bill in 2013. the most antibusiness legislative session people called it in colorado history, not one. he's got sheriffs that want to talk to him he, says he doesn't know they even want him to speak. colorado rural counties said they didn't want a renewable energy mandate he, signed it anyway and then apologized for it being inadequate legislation

that, well, we'll have to fix later. folks, governors have a responsibility to be decisive. to make decisions and know where they want to go and how they want to get there you may not always agree with me but you will know where i stand. and i'll assure you that i'll make the tough decisions and lead this state. with your help, and the grace of god, we can be great again and we can start very soon by doing one profound thing. by believe and trusting in people rather than by believing and trusting in ever more government. god bless you and thank you for allowing me to be here. >> governor hickenlooper. >> i want to thank kelly and the chamber and all the partners putting this together. when your company got sold in 1986 and everyone got laid off, i was out of work for twoer yoose. we those opposed, no wine coop in 2008. the rent because $1 per square

foot per year. we started getting other hotels and restaurants to work together to define lodo as a special place. it still took more than five years to begin to get momentum. i think that's a little like colorado today. when i was elected mayor in 2003, we started working immediately with the suburbs, we got all 34 mayors, 2/3's of them republicans, to support fast tracks. when funding was blocked for union station, i was the one who called d.c. to solve the $375 million impasse. look, we were 40th in job creation in 2010. we had $1 billion deficit. we created statewide economic development plan a bottom up plan, got all the counties to merge into reg regional plan, create a state plan. then we had 13 federally declared disasters, more than any other state in the country. i was in the middle of every single one. we had shoot wrgs i visited almost every hospital room and attended almost every funeral.

but we stayed focused. we cut or simplified over 6,000 regulations, we expanded access to capital and when major channels appeared like last summer's ballot challenges, we did everything possible, i did everything possible, for as long as it took to get that off the ballot, to create a process that could have the potential to create a lasting solution. colorado, like denver is a place that's going to be defined more by its future than its past that future is going to be focused around innovation and collaboration. we're now -- now we've gone from 40th to fourth in job creation. we are the number one fastest growing economy in america. but we need to be the number one job, number one state in job creation. we need to be the number one state in education achievement. d we have to be not just the thinnest state but bethe number one healthiest state in america.

and i think we will. if we can continue to keep the focus and keep that collaborative spirit together, there's no limit. like that old dutch farmer said 150 years ago in illinois, when crossing streams it's better not to change horses. >> thank you governor. thank you, mr. beauprez. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] atlantic y, the council held a summit about online voting technology, concerns about the technology. you can see it wednesday starting at 9:00 a.m. eastern on c-span2. >> our campaign 2014 coverage continues with a week full of debates. on wednesday night at 7:00, live coverage of the pennsylvania governor's debate between republican tom corbett and democrat tom wolf and thursday

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brown and challenger larry hogan this debate courtesy of wjv-tv is an hour. >> now from inside the wjz studios, here's vic carter. >> good evening, everyone, and welcome. over the next hour, we'll hear from both candidates running for governor of maryland. we'd like to thank the candidates for being with us this evening. the democratic candidate, lieutenant governor anthony brown and the republican candidate, mr. larry hogan. each candidate will have up to one minute and 30 seconds to make an opening statement and then we'll move on to the issues. i'm joined by "baltimore sun"

edtorial page editor andy green. we'll establish a topic and ask one candidate a question. each will get up to one minute and 45 seconds to present his views. the first candidate to answer will be given one minute for rebuttal. at the end of the debate, each candidate will be given one minute for closing statements. we want to thank the many wjz viewers who have emailed us their questioners in candidates over the last week. we read them all and include maryland in tonight's topics. a coin toss before the broadcast determined that lieutenant governor anthony brown would begin first with opening statements. br -- mr. brown. >> thank you. i want to thank the sponsors, wjz and "the baltimore sun." i want to thank our audience here in the studio and that are watching this broadcast. maryland is a great state. together, we've accomplished a great deal in the last several years. we've built the best in the nation public schools, we lead the nation in college affordable.

we've driven crime down to levels we haven't seen in four decades and we're one of only three states that came through the recession with a triple-a bond rating this election isn't about the past and where we've been but it's about the future and what's next for maryland. i spent 30 years in the army. i had the opportunity to lead soldiers. to train them. to care for soldiers and their families. to send them on missions and often in some very unforgiving environments. giving them the resources and training to complete their missions, come home safely to their families and the nation we all love. i had the privilege of serving with mate pais trotic men and women. today i'm on a different mission. the fight is different but it's just as important to maryland families because this november, voters will decide, they'll make a choice, to we wake up every morning to fight for middle class families, and that's the vision i share with ken or we

wake up favoring a small group of wealthiest who need the help the least at the expense of the middle class. we'll wake up with you, every day, maryland, to fight for middle class families and working class values. >> thank you very much. mr. brown. now to the republican candidate, larry hogan. >> first, i'd like to thank wjz and "the baltimore sun" for giving thus opportunity. i'd like to thank all of you at home for caring enough to take the time to watch. i'm not a professional politician. i'm a small businessman and a lifelong marylander who love this is state. i'm running for governor because i'm fed up with politics as usual in indianapolis and i believe that our state is way off track and heading in the wrong dwrex. 40 consecutive tax hikes have taken an additional $10 billion out of the pockets of struggling maryland families and small businesses. and it's crushed our economy. we've lost 8,000 small businesses.

unemployment has doubled. 200,000 marylanders are out of work. we're third in the nation in foreclosures. we've had zero economic growth and our state economy ranks 49th out of 50 states. we've had the largest mass exodus of taxpayers fleing our state of any state in the mid atlantic region and one of the worst in the nation. and sadly, nearly half of all marylanders want to leave the state. folks, that's simply unacceptable. the people of maryland deserve better. that's why i'm running for governor and that's why i need your help and your vote so that we can turn this economy around and bring real change to indianapolis. >> ok. -- to annapolis. >> ok. first, mr. brown, it seems to be the consensus from people we've heard from that taxes in maryland are too high. suzy asks, if you're elected will you commit to lowering taxes or at least not raising taxes or creating new taxes for individual taxpayers and families? >> let me be clear. i don't see the need nor as

governor of maryland to raise taxes. there will be no new taxes in the brown-allman administration. let's complete the picture. we were a face -- we were faced with 40% increase in college tuition, overcrowded classrooms, the most congested streets on the highway and marylanders did their part. to protect our schools, neighborhoods and environment to ensure we have a vibrant economy and communities to attract families and business to maryland. there will be no new taxes. what i propose and in factic mr. hogan and i agree in the need for tax relief. but where we differ is that my tax relief starts with the middle class. it starts with small and entrepreneurial businesses. the innovate yrs and job creators. small businesses create two out of every three jobs in maryland. the u.s. chamber of commerce looks at our small entrepreneurial business community and ranked it number

one in the country. that's where we start. small businesses that create two out of every three middle class job. what i disagree with is mr. hogan's approach he, begins by having a $300 million tax give away annually to the smallest group of large corporations, mr. headquartered out of the state of maryland who need it the least. my administration will fight for working families and middle class jobs which means we're targeting tax credits to' cree ate the jobs that put marylanders to work. >> mr. hogan, your response. >> well what the lieutenant governor just said sounds pretty good. unfortunately, it's the complete on sis of -- opposite of his eight-year record of failure. you can't say that you're going to help middle class families and struggling marylanders when for the past eight years you passed 40 consecutive tax hikes that are crushing struggling maryland families. most of the 40 tax increases

that you and your partner have pushed have hit people at the lowest end of the income scale the most. those are the people that are struggling. i'm out there every day, i've been from one end of the state to the other. people have had enough. 71% of the people in maryland think taxes are too high. it's the primary focus of my campaign. and there you go again with this nonsense about the corporate giveaways. look, i've talked about the fact that we need to roll back as many of these 40 tax increases as possible. 38 of them hurt people at the lowest end of the income level. you're the one talking about giving away special tax credits for specific corporations and big corporations. i'm talking about tax relief for all marylanders. and quite frankly the corporate giveaways we're having now, we're giving away corporations to virginia, giving them away to north carolina, giving them away to other states because they're fleing our state. we've lost 8,000 businesses. taxpayers in maryland are suffering. they just can't take it anymore.

that's spactly why i'm running you say you now agree. but why haven't you done anything about it for the last eight years? that's the question. you've been in charge. you and martin o'mal lee presided over the largest tax increases in history. now you say you'll have a blue ribbon commission to review tax reform. you know when we heard that last? in 2007 right before the biggest tax increases in history. we don't need more of that, we need tax cuts. >> what marylanders remember and don't want to go back oto was the largest expansion in state government under your administration, $300 billion in increases in taxes and fees, and you jacked up college tuition by 40%. as secretary, you appointed 10 of the 14 members of the board of regents that vowed increase college tuition by 40%. you left classrooms overcrowded new york plan to reduce congestion on the streets and

roads of maryland. marylanders remember those days and don't want to go back to those days. but this isn't about the past. this is about the future. tpwhrl no more -- no new tax in a brown-allman administration. i think about a small business success story in maryland, started in his grandparents garage. eclipsed adidas. targeted taxhad credits. they are now the number two sports apparel company the world. >> maryland has increased investment in k to 12 education. meanwhile, baltimore got approval for a school construction plan that will allow them to accelerate the replacement of aging buildings. could you evaluate for media

effectiveness and affordability of spending on education? outline any changes you think would be necessary going forward? >> i think we have done a good job spending money. we have doubled spending on education and maryland. i would say the results have been next. we have -- have been mixed. we have some of the best performing schools and the lowest performing schools in the country. the gap between them is 50th in the nation. the gap between white and minority students is the largest in the nation. we need to invest a money. we also have to look at other ways to improve education. i want to improve -- push more dollars to the local level. make decisions at the local level. the button on

common core, which has been a complete disaster. i want to push for charter schools. we are 50th in the nation in charter schools. i believe every single child and maryland it deserves a quality education. we have to work hard to try to make sure that happens. >> mr. brown? >> once again, we agree. i believe every child deserves access to a world-class education. we have made progress. i take issues with your fax. we are closing the achievement gap faster than any state in the nation. progressking good reducing the achievement gap along racial and ethnic lines. vision for a world-class education, that starts with investment in pre-k education. i think every maryland for euro

to have access to pre-k. when you ask how to prepare kids, they started with the pairing -- expanding pre-k. mr. hogan says we cannot afford it. i think we cannot afford not to do it. in schoolinvestments construction. we will not raise taxes or jeopardize our bond rating. to makethe ability investments with our bond rating. i look forward to working with baltimore county, montgomery, prince george's, and every executive that once to del iver modern classrooms. mr. hogan calls for a $450 million cut to school construction. that would cut us -- set us back years. move children from

trailers to technology ready classrooms. your cut would take students back to a place they do not want to go. >> i support pre-k. he runs commercials saying i do not and i'm going to take $309 out of the pockets of kids -- $300 million of the pockets of kids. that is not true. with the lieutenant governor is talking about is expanding it to pay for everybody in the state. he doesn't have a plan for how to a compass that and is not talking about how to pay for it. basically, it is a campaign promise. he is trying to mislead voters into making it happen. we support the concept and idea of pre-k.

the fact of the matter is, politicians make phony promises all the time. i'm a small businessman. i don't want to over thomas and in dilip -- overpromise and not deliver. i said, i don't know how we will afford it at this point. now you are proposing $7 billion in new spending. >> moving on. next question. comptroller lasted the economy and talked about shortfall in revenue. howle asked, if elected, would you address the fiscal challenges facing the skate? -- state? >> i can assure you that while i agree with a lot of the things the comptroller says, i don't agree with him when he says we will raise taxes. a will not raise taxes in brown administration.

the chamber of commerce recognizes our entrepreneurial business community as number one in the country. we will make sure that with targeted tax credits and deductions, we can support small businesses that create two out of every three jobs in maryland. middle-class jobs. opportunities for working families. the other thing we are going to do is make sure, in order to offer those tax credits and we will lookliefs, at spending. need ton and i agree we look at spending and government. we disagree on how to do that. my plan calls for strategic resourcing. purchase agreements with counties so we can get more value at a lower cost. strides into make efficiency and reducing expenditures in medicaid.

new employee health plan that will save us millions of dollars. my savings plan is considerably different and mr. hogan's -- hogan's which not only cuts school construction but calls for an increase in the property tax base. >> mr. hogan? >> almost everything the lieutenant governor said was not true. he says he does not want to look at the past. he doesn't want to talk about his eight-year record of failure. lost a field record of businesses, jobs, higher spending, and record tax increases. increased spending $10 billion, higher than 46 other states.

the last time you said, there is not going to be any taxes, was the last election when you and martin o'malley said the same thing and then raised 40 taxes in a row that crushed families and small businesses. it is not about what somebody says, it is about what they have done. we have to look at his record. you can say you are going to cut spending when you have increased it by more than almost anybody in the country. have proposed in his campaigns's been like $7 billion in new spending -- campaign something like $7 billion in new spending. it is going to cost the average maryland family $9,000 more per

year. thanks to you and martin o'malley raising taxes. i want to get the government off our backs and out of our pockets. so we can grow the private sector, put people back to work, and turn the economy around. >> thank you. rebuttal? >> let's talk about record. over the course of the last eight years, we brought 40,000 jobs to maryland. i spearheaded the effort to create eighth -- a framework for public private partnerships. like the investment in the port of baltimore that created 5000 jobs. amazon fulfillment center, bmw, which announced an increase for

increaseds to the -- volume of cars to the port. the only plan is your so-called savings plan which is riddled with incompetents. a $450 million cut to school construction. you are talking about in your so-called plan increasing $300rty taxes by $309. -- million. >> thank you, mr. brown. >> a rounding error? >> a rounding error is when you say you cut $8 billion. epaaryland is under an diet to cleant -- up the chesapeake bay.

what would you be your approach? >> the chesapeake bay is our most valued asset. maryland andre for the entire country. cleaning up the bases going to be a priority of the hogan administration -- the bay is theg to be the priority hogan administration. rather than blaming farmers and rain, we will take other action. 43% of the sediment comes down the river. that is the number one issue. we will push back to the federal government, epa and army corps of engineers, we will push back to make sure that pennsylvania and new york pay their fair share. that is one of the major problems we have had cleaning up the bay. is most important problem the brown in this duration -- the o'malley in menstruation.

they have a rated -- administration. rey have a rated funds -- aided funds. chesapeake they trust. thehey took money out of chesapeake bay trust. we will not raid the trust fund. we will focus on the real problems in the bay. that is what we will do. the rain tax is universally hated by people in the state. that is the only solution they have come up with. the rain that falls in your house, i have been going from one end of the state to the other are disgusted with that. we have to do more. >> mr. brown? >> there you go again, painting a distorted picture. maryland and the entire country

came through a great recession. no program except education -- every program saw reductions in expenditures. including programs that protect the environment. we stand in different places. i stand in the tradition of marylanders who for centuries understand we have to take a balanced approach. you stand somewhere upstream, pointing your finger at pennsylvania and in new york, accusing them of what you are unwilling to do in maryland. facility --bust storm water management program. we need to work with farmers to reduce runoff. we have done a great job of that. the maneuver transport program. pesticide management. we need to work with local governments. work with developers to reduce the number of septic's.

continue the progress we are -- making with waste water treatment. vibrant chesapeake bay and environment accounts for hundreds of businesses and tens of thousands of jobs in maryland. you cannot be pro-business and a not be proenvironment. it is the maritime operations in baltimore -- it relies on a clean may. -- we-bay. we can't look to new york and pennsylvania to do what you are not willing to do. >> sounded good but it was nonsense. i believe in a balanced approach. i'm not talking about pushing everything off. you rob the one point $3 billion out of the environmental trust fund that we could have done good work with.

you blamed it on the national recession and said, we are recovering better. you cut in every department. you increased spending by $10 billion. more than 46 other states. when you go from a $29 billion budget to a $9 billion budget, it is not even a cut. $39 billion budget, it is not a cut. you are talking about a balanced approach to business and the environment. we have lost 200,000 jobs. you can't make things up. talk about the past eight years as it they did not happen. most dates are recovering. we are not. >> thank you, mr. hogan. maryland voters are concerned about the tone of the gubernatorial race. it has been called the most

negative governors race in the country. diane and cumberland asks, -- di ane in cumberland asks, why did it come to this? >> i believe campaigns are conversations with voters. about marilyn's future. uture.yland's ft i believe voters have to know where candidates stand on issues. that is why we have made a point in the brown administration to highlight his record on important issues. from cumberland to ocean city, they ask, where are you on public safety? the firearms safety protection act? mr. hogan is not talking about it. we share with them his record.

wehave adverb night since -- have advertisements. senate bill 281 band assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. esther hogan opposed it. -- mr. hogan of post-it. it. apposed it.hogan opposed commonsense public safety measures for maryland. he will tell you that we should rely on a federal database. why should we rely on the public -- federal database when we can do it here? i supported the firearms safety act of 2413. -- 2013. i will and force it and and not try to roll it back. >> the question was about why the campaign is so negative.

of the most negative campaigns in the country. i would agree. it is not coming from our side. commercials we have run have been positive. my opponent, the lieutenant governor, who is unwilling to talk about the economic problems of maryland and defend his record of failure, has chosen to try to distract voters away from those issues and talk about things that are not on the minds of voters in maryland. he is twisting and putting out commercials that are false. conference and went through every single commercial. he has a new commercial with assault weapons in school yards by the swing set. it says, i oppose background checks and i want to put assault weapons in the hands of the mentally ill. i can assure you that is 100% false. thatthe only republican

ran in this race in the primaries who said i would not repeal sb 281. we are not ruling anything back. it did not god far enough to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. maryland is the worst state in the country for reporting mentally ill mess, which is a huge problem when we talk about these issues. i did not think the bill addressed it which is why i opposed it. i'm a small businessman. i never voted for anything. i was just talking about my opinion. your commercials are 100% misleading. >> opinions matter for a governor. voters want to know what your opinion is. you say you will not roll back the firearms safety act. but you spoke to a group of extreme gun owners and said,

don't worry. give me a pass in public. when i am governor, i will use an executive order to roll back provisions of the act. i will point some of the that interprets the law to put guns back in the street. that was in an exposé by the washington post, not just me making this up. youare taking positions -- have been a political operative for 30 years -- you have taken positions to overturn roe versus wade. now you have, in a campaign year conversion, you say that you take a different position. how can the voters trust you? voters ought to know. they are to know your opinions and beliefs. >> thank you, mr. brown. >> moving on to immigration, governor o'malley has taken

steps to welcome unaccompanied minors across the border. try to marshall assistance once they are here to read what would be your policy to these immigrants and others? >> i will go back and take the privilege of responding to some of the attacks that just came from the lieutenant governor. he says i have a 30 year record. i spent most of my life in the private sector. i left my business to serve as a cabinet secretary for four years. he says i oppose abortion, even in the case of rape and interest. i want to take away birth control. that is absolutely not true. not my position now, and has never been my position. you are taking inaccurate in any accurate -- an yearsrate article from 30 ago that was referring to my

father. that is another one of the false ads. i think you should apologize to the women for trying to scare them. let's go back to immigration. we are a nation of immigrants. my wife, she is a first generation american. she immigrated from south korea. my family came from ireland, all four of my grandparents. we are a beacon of hope and freedom. i understand why we want to be welcoming to immigrants. however, we are a nation of the law. we have to figure out -- i don't blame people who want to come ire and break the rules -- understand they want a better life for themselves and their children. i blame the president of the u.s. and congress, both democrats and republicans, for coming up with a competent of immigration policy or strategy a comp toing up with

immigration policy or strategy. comprehensive immigration policy or strategy. >> ima first generation american. my father came from jamaica. this is a land of immigrants. some families arrived six decades ago. some six weeks ago. some centuries ago. each of us should be afforded makingortunity to be a contribution to the nation. there is a failure to enact legislation in congress. that is the source of the problem. colleagues inn congress of mr. hogan refuse to pass reform. we will not fix that in maryland. the question is, what does the governor do?

when we see children stranded at the border, that is exhibit a of a failed policy. i have laid out a framework for managing that. i think as people, and a nation, we have an obligation to protect children. we don't leave children stranded so we will protect them. we will reunite them with their families. we will return them to their country of origin. temporarily, with new cannot do that, we will have them in our foster and social services system. provided the federal government reimburses maryland. small groupmodate a of children. let's protect them and return them. insure the federal government pays the freight. >> for the most part, we agree. it is a humanitarian crisis. a tremendous problem for the nation to have undocumented

children crossing the border. my first concern is their health and safety. we do have to look at that. i wanted to make sure, as soon as they came a cross, we took care of their needs. any medical attention. it didn't make sense for maryland to try to bring more of them to maryland. we have taken 10 times more per capita than it any other state. it is not fair to the taxpayers or the children to be bust thousandsof -- bussed of miles from their port of origin. we do want to take care of the kids. i think the administration has been too aggressive going after this. >> that was rebuttal? ok. people watching us right now have a genuine concern about their safety. even though there were statistics that showed a decrease in crime.

what is your plan to address what appears to be a continuing crime problem in the state? familyderstand that no is immune from the tragedy of crime. even violent crime. my cousin kathy was killed by her estranged boyfriend. i supported the firearms safety act of 2013. i also led the effort to give judges authority to surrender firearms. because of those measures and others, or perhaps more important he because of the courage of men and women in law we have driven crime down to levels we have not seen in fort decades -- four decades.

will not be finished until everybody can walk out and feel safe. we have work to do. we cannot roll back the provisions of the firearms safety act, which i intend to fully enforce. we are seeing a reduction in gun related crimes in the state as a result of that. i have a proposal to drive down -- some states are doing better than us. we will make sure our reentry population does not commit crimes. make sure they can be productive and rejoin their families. there are a number of things we can do, a number of proposals i have offered. i will use every tool available, including gun safety laws, to make sure you are living in a safer neighborhood. >> your response, mr. hogan? >> we have some of the toughest gun safety laws in the entire

country. that has not stopped us from being one of the most violent states in the nation. we are in the top 10 for violent crime, murder, and crimes with guns. we have a lot more progress to do. crime is a serious problem in maryland. i have been traveling across the state and talking with people in urban areas, rural and suburban with lawd met enforcement. the number one problem we have is harrowing. we have -- heroin. we have recently been called the heoroin capital. this has infiltrated into small communities. 60% of people in frederick county are gang and a drug-related with heorin.

60% of the problems they are dealing with ours result of heroin. i was in a county on the eastern shore. they said the number one problem was heroin. we have the number one problem in the u.s. every state on the east coast has declared a state of emergency. arid menstruation has done nothing. administration has done nothing. we will look at this problem of violent crime, drugs, and gangs. >> rebuttal? >> it is disappointing when you say you don't know how much progress we have made. tois incumbent on you and i inform yourselves. the facts are, we have driven crime down to the lowest levels in four decades. we have driven down crime against women and children. why are we doing it?

aniston we are making progress. we are taking guns off the streets. we are putting more into drug treatment and addiction. in the institutions and communities. we have skills training and partnerships with nonprofits. goneis why recidivism has from 50% to 40%. you have to understand that as a governor. the most important responsibility is to ensure public safety. we have driven recidivism down. we have more work to do. we have driven crime down. we have more to do. congressional districts have been ranked the most gerrymandered in the nation. would you commit to changing the way the district's are drawn if governor? >> absolutely i would.

my campaign has been about nonpartisanship. three point five years ago, i started a group called change maryland, the largest nonpartisan citizen's group. half of the people involved are democrats and independents. my life has been about coming up bipartisan sense solutions. the redistricting was probably be worst in the country. it is not something that should ever happen again. i would take these decisions out of the hands of the monopoly and politicians in an annapolis put --i in annapolis. put it into the hands of an independent audie threet -- independent body. >> thank you. >> i support an independent commission. over the course

of the campaign. it is the right thing to do for a number of reasons. it gives greater confidence to maryland voters. it also, i believe, address of that the function -- addresses the dysfunction in the nation's capital. we have members of congress who represent extreme right and left districts. that is why you don't have immigration reform were -- or in energy policy. independente an congressional -- commission. it will not be in the immediate future, but around the time of the census. i also support what supreme court justices are calling for, an amendment to the constitution. we can recent -- fix it in

maryland. we still need to address the larger national problem. where the washington, redistricting has resulted in dysfunction, we can get back to the business of doing work in washington which is not happening today. >> the lieutenant governor does not want to claim responsibility. he agrees we ought to do some thing about the terrible redistricting. it took place during his and menstruation. tration.is i talked to people every single day who are fed up with professional politicians. they feel as if we are not solving the problem. that is why i have been focused on nonpartisanship -- bipartisanship. and the monopoly in annapolis.

.o checks and balances that is one of the reasons i am running for governor. >> you have talked about this. let's get a little deeper into it. what are your plans to improve the business climate so more businesses do not leave maryland and take jobs with them? >> i think mr. hogan and i agree that we need to strengthen the business climate. there are aspects of the business climate that are strong. a quality workforce second to none. we are making investments in infrastructure. there are areas where we need dramatic improvements, like the reg latorre environment. -- regulatory environment. runningo that without away from obligations to protect

the environment and consumers. we have stated and declared that in a brown in ministry should -- adminisration, our first goal will be to position the business climate to be number one in the nation. there is debate whether the climate is hostile to businesses. our focus is on whether you believe we are hostile or not. so that bmw can expand its footprint. so more amazons will come to maryland. lockheed martin has announced an expansion. county.n washington frito-lay. corporations that see a tremendous amount of strength in our business climate and are expanding and investing.

but we can all agree that mean do -- we need to strengthen the climate. >> my question is, why have you not strengthened the climate? it is your policy and regulatory environment. that trove 8000 businesses out of the state. drove 8000 businesses out of the state. how is it going to change over the next four years from what you did over the past eight years? you are going to create all these jobs. why did we almost lead the nation in job losses? why have we lost 2000 jobs 20,000 jobs? 200,000ve we lost jobs? this is the main reason i got into this race. we have been focused on how to make maryland more competitive.

we held a business summit on improving the competitiveness. we brought business leaders and economists and think stakes -- tanks and talked about this. according to ceo magazine, we are 41st out of 50 states for business. me on daychange with one. maryland will be open for business. will focus on how to help his mrs. grow -- businesses grow. the regulatory environment you say you want to clean up is the one you created. it has driven a lot of businesses out of the state. i have talked about people who said they moved to virginia and thathings done in 90 days they could not have done in maryland in three years. policy >>onerous tax

thank you. a half.tire minute and you didn't have a single proposal to improve the climate. we agree we can strengthen the climate by providing tax relief. we disagree on how. you would start with the largest corporations, the wealthy. many with headquarters outside of the state. and give them a $300 million tax giveaway. you said it in september. spring, you said in the you would try to try to eliminate the corporate income tax. that would put a gaping hole in the next governor's budget. i support tax relief for small businesses that create two out of every three middle-class jobs. that is how we are going to create a stronger business climate in maryland. in anh of you has served

administration from each party? can you tell me a policy from the ehrlich in this ration that you disagreed -- administration that you disagree with? >> that is a tough question. serving fornor of four years as a cabinet secretary. i agree with a lot of the things they did. one thing i didn't agree with, tuitions went up 40%. of it.ever supportive i have never supported tuition increases in my life. i have been the voice of opposition to the five years that the lieutenant governor and governor raised tuition. that would be the number one issue. as farce up in the have done well, they have done a good job of spinning the numbers and confusing people. that is the only thing i can point to.

explain a relationship that he governor has with the lieutenant governor. i was asked, are you prepared to be lieutenant governor? the best experience was when i was an executive officer in the military. goingthe privilege of into closed doors with the company commander. thehe end of the day, company commander made a decision. we both walked out the door. i supported the cover the commander's decision -- the company commander's decision. that is a lot how a lieutenant governor works. there are a few things where i disagreed with the tenant a with -- lieutenant -- governor o'malley. i was very pleased

the legislature took that out of the proposal. we were able to balance the budget and meet the needs of marylanders. i was not coming out of the door and throwing my governor under the bus. i hope whoever the next lieutenant governor understands that important relationship. what do i agree with from the ehrlich administration? said,ised tuition and you -- never said anything, but i instead because you are being loyal. >> unfortunately, because of time, we will move on to the next question. time --s been a lot of talk about women's issues.

what is your priority? >> thank you, kimberly. my priority is to make sure when we build a better maryland, it is for all marylanders. the poverty rate for women is the lowest in the nation. we have a higher percentage of women who sit on boards in have madeitions. - we strides reducing the gender wage gap. but we have a lot to do. that's why supported raising the minimum wage. why? wage earnerminimum is a 33-year-old single woman. she was making minimum wage, povertyn the federal level, and is unable to provide for her family. i support giving her and for 5,0000 others -- and 45

others a raise. i have led the effort to reduce the mystic violence in maryland. support services for -- -- reduce domestic violence in maryland. support services for victims. finally haveto maryland and join the ranks of other states, reducing the standard of proof for a woman to get a protective order and need a mistake violence -- in a domestic violence case. that is tremendous progress. whether we are talking about economic issues, educational issues, health, i will be on the side of women. >> first of all, i agree of what the lieutenant governor. he has done a good job with

domestic violence initiatives. we talked about that when we kicked off the mystic violence -- domestic violence week. women in maryland are faced with -- the most households in maryland are headed by women. they make financial decisions. they are suffering as the result of tax hikes. most are regressive taxes that hurt people at the lower end of the scale. women's issue is getting the economy back on track. putting women back to work so they can support their families. with regard to the minimum wage, i said we are not going to do .nything to change it it will help people at the lower end. but there are drawbacks. we may lose jobs as a result.

the average minimum wage earner is a 33-year-old single mom. it should not be that way. it was designed for kids to get join first opportunity to the workforce. if we can restore the workforce in bring back better paying jobs, we wouldn't have to deal with this. i support access to birth control for every single woman in maryland, contrary to the commercials my opponent has been running. we support over the control paid for by insurance. we will do nothing to roll back reproductive rights. >> we have reached the point will are -- where we can begin the closing statements. >> this election is not really just root typical fight between democrats and republicans -- not really just your typical fight between democrats and republicans.

the decision we make will have a lasting impact on the future of our state. it is an important decision. i believe the voters need to make a simple choice. it comes down to this. if you are comfortable with the status quo, the direction our state is heading, and you believe a third term of their policies would be good for you coming you should vote for my opponent. but if you believe things are in the wrong track and the new leadership is needed, it doesn't theer what state -- part of state you live in order what your party affiliation is, you need to vote to bring change. i'm asking for your vote on november 4. ori believe every maryland should be able to pursue the american dream. you work hard, play by the rules, sacrifice when necessary,

you can not only pursue but achieve your dreams. my parents came to this country six decades ago in pursuit of the dream. marylanders have a choice. whether to embrace the vision that we share with countless marylanders. we will get up every morning, fighting for working families and the middle class values. or whether we favor large corporations and the privileged few. will we fund pre-k or give a tax -- corporate tax giveaway? vote in four weeks. i need your help in the next four weeks. more portly, we need unique each and every day for the next four years as we -- we need you each and every day for the next four years as we build a better

maryland. >> we want to thank the candidates and the baltimore sun. i want to thank you for watching. please remember to cast your vote on election day. good evening. >> thank you for watching. this has been a presentation station.land's new station. >> on a website, you can see ads for races across the country. these are running in the virginia senate race. i am mark warner. >> enron, the largest corporate fraud in american history. gillespie's be -- ed was their lobbyist. thousands lost their jobs and

life savings. of enronrmer leaders had to prison. either directly through a carbon tax or indirectly, we will put a price on carbon. >> they want to tax coal which will kill jobs. raiseti-coal agenda will electric bills, devastate the economy, and kill virginia jobs. i will fight colfax. -- might-- -- coal tax. i approved this message. gillespie is attacking mark warner with what experts call misleading ads.

he is trying to find a bipartisan solution to cut the national debt. that is why many have endorsed him. >> working together will. i approved this message. >> i worked my way through college. i worked from the parking lot to the white house. there's opportunity and dignity in work. but too many virginians are squeezed by mark warner and president obama policies. mark warner votes with the president 90% in -- 97% of the time. >> maryland representative donna edwards is the first woman to represent her state -- she is the keynote speaker at the center for american progress, examining the underrepresentation of women and

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debate. c-span campaign 2014. when than 100 debates for the control of congress. 100 debates for the control of congress. >> and now the second debate between the west virginia candidates for senate. replace senator rockefeller who is retiring. this is one hour. >> the 2014 u.s. senatorial debate between republican shelley moore capito and democratic west virginia secretary of state natalie tennant. this debate is sponsored by aarp, west virginia metro news, west virginia press association, and west virginia public broadcasting.

here is your moderator. ♪ >> good evening. i am pleased to welcome you inside the walker theater for this 2014 united states senate debate. tonight's event is presented by aarp and the west virginia press association. we welcome our viewers on c-span tonight. you have an opportunity to hear from the democratic and republican candidates in their own words as we discussed many of the issues important to west virginians and their families. tonight's debate includes an opportunity for you to be involved in the discussion by social media. secretary of state natalie tennant, the democratic candidate. she was sworn in as the 29th secretary of state in 2009 and reelected in 2012.

she attended wvu where she earned her bachelors and masters degrees in represented the school as the first female mountaineer. she worked in west virginia television broadcast media for more than a decade and was a co-owner of the video production and media training firm she operated with her husband. they're the parents of a daughter. to my right is congresswoman shelley moore capito. she is serving in her seventh term as u.s. representative for the second congressional district. she attended duke university and the university of virginia. she's a senior member of the house transportation and infrastructure committee. prior to her election to congress, she served as a two-term member of the west virginia house of delegates. she and her husband charlie have

three children and two grandchildren. each candidate will get two minutes to deliver an opening statement. >> thank you. thank you for moderating tonight's debate. i want to thank the sponsors of the nights debate. i want to thank secretary tennant for being here with me. most of all, i want to thank the viewers at home. west virginia is at a turning point. for the last six years, our economy has been under assault by the policies of president obama. i have traveled this state, folks who have lost their jobs, people who cannot pay their health care premiums. we clearly need a change in the united states senate. i'm running to be a senator from

west virginia because i believe that west virginia's best days are ahead of us. we have an enormous amount of natural resources. i think my plan will help us reach our potential here in west virginia. i will continue to fight for west virginia coal. i think we need to use our natural gas resources. we need to make sure that west virginia's citizens, older and younger, have the tools and the education they need for the 21st-century economy. a future where we will continue to have washington pick winners and losers or are we going to elect the senator who will stand up and fight for us? i believe i have the experience in a practical way of solving problems.

i believe west virginia needs to work and washington needs to work for us. i look forward to discussing these issues with secretary tennant in this debate tonight. >> most importantly, thank you to all of you at home for tuning in tonight. this race is about you. the congressman wants you to believe that this race is about washington politicians. i'm here to tell you that this race is about west virginia. not president obama, not harry reid. they are not on the ballot. every time you hear the congresswoman say something about harry reid or barack obama, i want you to ask yourself -- what is she hiding?

she is hiding the votes she has taken to hurt you. you know me. you know i grew up on a farm, the youngest of seven kids. you know my record. you know i will stand up to politics as usual in washington just as i have done in charleston. in 2010, when three the critic officials tried to steal an election, i led the investigation to put them behind bars. i do not answer to a party. i answer to the people of west virginia. i cut my budget, i saved $3 million and gave it back to the taxpayers of west virginia. the congresswoman voted to give taxpayer dollars to ceo's on wall street. she voted twice to give bonuses to ceo's while we were bailing out those banks. that is the difference in this race. i'm proud to be endorsed by the

senator jay rockefeller, the united mine workers of america, west virginia teachers from an afl-cio. i know what it is like to work a minimum wage job. i know what it is like to run a small business. i know what is like to send a husband to war. >> thank you for your opening remarks. the remainder of this evening's debate will focus on questions posed to each candidate on a rotating basis. there will be two opportunities for a candidate to pose a 30-second challenge to rebuttal. you will push back against the

president and the epa on coal. we have heard similar messages from the governor, congressman ray hall. why should we believe that you will be successful as a new person in washington where members of your own party have >> thank you for that question. that commercial. it got some attention from people including the president. coal is still 40% of electricity in the country and more than 90% here in west virginia. i have been endorsed by kia -- .oal miners they know i have a plan to save their