of our times, there are millions our fellow citizens who still believe the politics have fairness, reason, and decency. [applause] in seven months, the people of this country will need to make a choice. party, pick the labour which has learned no lessons from the past, and it will jeopardize the economy all over again. you can pick the conservative party, which does not share your left to itswhen own devices, will keep everybody serviceswill cut the that you need. we have not forgotten. the british people don't want a

labour government racking up debt for our children and our grandchildren to pay. [applause] david cameron. you can copy our ideas, but you will never imitate our values. ae british people don't want conservative government running their country which only looks after its own kind. [applause] is left then to our party, to us, to work our hearts out each and every day, to give the a fairer britain society. we will do everything we can to ensure you and your family will have the opportunity to get on. that is britain we can defeat the policies of fear.

and we have seven short months to tell people to show people that it has been a party that speaks to the decent british values that they hold. let our opponents say what they will. go to the country with our heads held high. say what they will. we will go to the country with a plan with a goal of everything that we want to achieve. nowwhat they will, we are the only party holding firm to decent, liberal values, while they will blame us. are the only party refusing to trade in fear because we believe the british people want hope. we are the only party who are economically incompetent while we are socially fair. therty of the head and heart of compassion and resolve. the only party who says that no matter who you are, no matter where you are from, we will do everything in our power to help

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live on c-span two. you can see it next sunday night on 9:00 p.m. eastern, and you can also watch past prime minister's questions or other british programming on our www.c-span.org. >> monday night on "the communicators." >> back in 2012, we passed a law that was making a possible for people to give back and give the flex builder. under current law, the lower industryelevision grants licenses, but those licenses are subject to availability within the spectrum and the particular marketplace. i am concerned about is

a particular call for a kill switch on somebody's phone. if some entity or an individual decides that they want to cut your phone off, and it is your phone, i think that you ought to have some protection, so what this bill says is that you certainly can ask your carrier to cut your phone off, if you are the primary person who uses the phone, even if you are not the contract owner, you can ask that the phone because i. or if you are a government entity or a law enforcement agency, you have to get a court order to do so. haters is very bad he where someone who is fraudulent has try to trick the public and try to get information from the public, for example, a social security number, or tax information, and this is a growing problem in america. the particularly among senior citizens. texas, morganfrom

griffith from virginia, and leonard lance from new jersey. on "the communicators," on c-span2. >> next, trent lott and tom daschle. forum examines social media's impact on the careers of politicians and journalists. after that, a political roundtable on the women's photo on the upcoming elections. recently, former senate leaders tookaschle and trent lott part in a discussion on bipartisanship in congress. they discuss working together during the president clinton proceedings and after the terrorist attacks. they also discussed the upcoming elections. tom daschle served as the democratic party leader from a 2002 2005, and trent lott served

as the party leader for the republicans. [applause] >> it is great to be here tonight, back in a campus that seems both familiar and a little bit different from when i was here 30 something years ago. built two buildings around the old student union, and i believe the new football facility here, the football practice sicily, i believe you could fit the student body when senator daschle was here into that football facility. i want to make sure that i don't bury the lead, and we have a history tonight, and dr. hogan, let us set the ground rules here. this is a dialogue, it is not a debate. that there will be differences, and we hope to get into those tonight and to discuss those as

we go forward. a year ago tonight, the government shutdown. it seems appropriate that we gather here in this environment and talk about partisanship and whether or not there is too much partisanship or whether that is a thing. the senate recently has been described as a weapon of mass dysfunction, and i think it is probably a pretty good description. the job approval ratings as you know in the congress are so low that senator john mccain says it is basically down to members themselves and to their staff members. that is about deal to people who are saying that they are approving of congress. but not too long ago, these two leading in a time when we got some things done in this country. where,came at a time above everything else, they put

partisanship aside. we are going to discuss that in just a little bit. ,et's take a look at one day above all others, when they were leaders and that sort of defined the recent history in our country. [applause] >> at a time like this, no words that we should utter today or the heartsg can help and souls and feelings of the victims and the families that were a part of this great tragedy that happened in this country today. andprayers and thoughts out tof consolation goes all of those who have suffered. but one thing that happens here in this place, is that when

american suffers, and when people perpetrate acts against this country, we as a congress and as a government stand united. we stand together. [applause]

senators and house members, democrats and republicans, will stand shoulder-two shoulder -- shoulder-two-shoulder, we will stand together to ensure that those who have brought forth this evil deed will pay the price. we are not sure who this is yet. [applause] we have our suspicions, and when that is justified and when those suspicions are justified, we will act. we will stand with the president, we will stand with us government, and we will stand as americans together through this time. thank you. [applause] >> today's despicable acts were an assault on our people and on our freedom. as a representative of the declarewe are here to that our resolve has not been weakened. by these horrific and cowardly acts. congress will convene tomorrow. [applause] we will speak with one voice to

condemn these attacks, to comfort the victims, and their families, to commit our full support to the effort, to bring those responsible to justice. democrats,cans and house and senate, stand strongly president andthe will work together to ensure that the full resources of the government are brought to bear in these efforts. thoughts and our fervent prayers are with the injured and the families of those who have been lost. [applause]

that ourw as a nation thoughts and our prayers are with those who are injured, and those who are the casualties in today's attacks. we know the thousands of rescue workers, we asked now that we all drop our heads in silence and remembrance. thank you. >> stand beside her and guide

her -- >> senator lott, what does this bring you back to? >> it was a startling day to say the least. i started off in my office looking at that view behind tom there, and i saw the first plane go into the tower, and then we started getting reports, and then of course, a staff member came running in and said that they have hit the pentagon after the second strike. i walked to the window and i could see the smoke billowing up. go to my desk, and i picked up my red phone, and i said, tom, i think we need to get out of here. he had to give the order. at point, my security

detail came in. we went to andrews air force to somed then we went remote area, and i still don't know exactly where we were, and then we came back that night after we learned a few things about what had happened. that singing their the end, that was totally spontaneous. we did not know that was going to happen, like, i felt that was one of the great moments of history, actually, when members of congress came back at the end of the day, stood on the steps of the capital, and said that we were going to be in the session the next day, and told them that they were not going to be intimidated by this horrific act. so i could write a dissertation on all of the emotions that happened the day. but the most important part about that day was what happened after that. how we came together, how we work together to get what was done and what was necessary to get done for new york, for our military, and for the pursuit of the people that cause that event. and we did it working together

to read tom and i with robot of legislation that fall. and i'm very proud to talk about the fact that the approval rating of the senate by the end , andat year had reached 82 it has not been that high before or since. you know why it was that way? because they saw us working together. above politics and above partisanship. [applause] >> senator daschle, you are with john glenn that morning, and he said no pilot would do that. he knew right away. do you recall that? >> that is right, john had come in, and both of our offices were in the center of the capital at the senate complex, so people would just drop by. and john was having an interview in a little while with cnn, and came by for just a couple coffee. and we were talking in front of my television.

and i said, look at that, that playing -- a pilot just flew into that building. and he looked at that and said that is not a pilot, there is something more serious than that. and then i began a leadership meeting shortly after that, and we were sitting around the table, and i remember patty murray, the senator from washington, and he looked out the window and he said my goodness, look at all that smoke, and we ran to the window and there was smoke looming out of the pentagon. it was at that point that trick called and said that we had to get out of here. we rush to the doors, and poor senator byrd was carrying huge was soi don't know what important, but he was carrying all of these important documents and books with both arms and he was running, and i was concerned for his safety, and of course -- that is where the all started. >> in retrospect, do you think that was a high or a low point in your leadership that day,

with the leadership that you displayed in with a leadership that was shown that it was a so do you look back with sort of hope or with sort of regret? what do you think about that? as trent saidck, so eloquently just now, people going to the floor saying that i am no longer a republican or a democrat, i am an american. and there was this sense of patriotism and the sense of commitment to the country and a sense of resolve that really was inspiring and moving and energizing, and from that incredibly, it was -- a moment of great pride as we look back, i think. i think what i regret is that it takes a crisis of that kind to create that kind of unity and

that kind of environment and that kind of political determination. >> yeah. [applause] >> less than six weeks later, there was the anthrax scare. did you think -- at that moment, and did you think that was another terrorist attack from the same group or did you think -- what were your emotions going through that day? i think you are up on a hill that day too. what did you think? you scared for the country at that moment? >> i was, it was just another step in a series of attacks probably. our staff were horrified. usually the youngest staff members that you had were the ones that opened the letters in the mail rooms, and they were the ones that could have had anthrax in the. we were immediately concerned about tom and all of the senators and his staff, and what we were going to do about that.

of they, the postmaster senate was a classmate of mine from high school, and he had to deal with all we had to do with checking the mayor -- mail going forward. , like itors and others was in the russell building and you were in the park building, senators from both buildings started giving senators their extra office space. there is nobody telling them to do that, they distorted doing -- then itent tom went tom talked about this incident, we all went to the cafeteria, all of the senators, republicans and democrats. we were talking about what it and what we were going to do about it. and the atmosphere there, while it was one of great concern, it was one of camaraderie and an expression of concern for each other, it was one of those magic moments that we experience several times when we were the leaders, where we finally get

down on her knees and get together in the old senate chamber or the old senate dining room, and is one group make decision -- as one group make decisions that were right for the moment and for the country. anymore.don't do that that is one of the things that tom and i have a urged is to have a more regular lies opportunity to get -- a more regularized opportunity to get together. tell us about the legislation that was passed after the months after 9/11? >> there were so many pieces. i think probably one of the most controversial but the patriot act. , for one, back, i would like to have revised many of the things that we wrote at the time. trent says something, he said that we did the best that we intelligence that

we were given, but looking back, the whole issue of national security changed. when we experience the 11, the realization that it would never 9/11, set -- experienced the realization that it would never be the same came through. brought the agencies together, and that, too, was controversial. political at times, but we actually pulled together, and i think at the end of the day we did a reasonably good job for creating the framework for security and a different context. we always thought of the threat being international and more in a military context, and it was now much more local, much more personal, far more pervasive than it had ever been before. so that was another piece of legislation that we had to

address. we also passed legislation to help new york city, of course. we also passed legislation to deal with the problems that we were having with the aviation industry, the airlines really got hammered that day, too. they had real losses. so it was a whole myriad of legislation. tom and i would up to new york city, i guess it was about two weeks, or maybe less than that. i remember saying when we were when they hit new york city, they hit america. we are all in this together, and we are to do this together. and we did that. we kept our word. >> both of you have said since you have left the senate that there was another. of crisis in the country where you felt there was conductive worked on. that was after the impeachment of president clinton. that was pretty tenuous that day when you went up that day and held hands.

can you tell what led up to that moment? it was my birthday come on december 9, and trent had called me to say that the house had just acted to impeach nowpresident, and he said it is in our lap, now it is up to us. to one thing we have got understand is that we have got to rise to the occasion, we have to do everything we can to make this a depoliticized experience and to find ways to get through this god-awful mess we are facing. impeachment had not occurred to the president for over 100 years, so we first had to learn what had happened, how do we do this ? how does this happen? who knows these things? ofbegan a great deal research with the staff to create a mechanism for putting pieces in place to conduct the impeachment trial.

and then the question is, so when do we do this? however it turns out, so we decided it was going to be the first order of business will be came back in january. step-by-step, and it came together and we got through it in reasonably good shape. i two parts of that that remember is that we agreed to get a couple of our more thoughtful senators to take a and what wehistory needed to do and come up with some recommendations. he selected joe lieberman from connecticut, and the senators created a design plan to deal with this issue. in a sharp, they came back with a recommendation, and they described as it an abbreviated proceeding. so when i presented that to the republican congress, they did everything but stoned me at

romeo industry. some of my best friends is said no, we are not going to do it that way. they were not happy with it. i had some legitimate arguments, so i had to call tom is a, tom, this is not going to work. so that we had to figure how to proceed and how to get this whole thing done. someone came up with the idea and we met in the old senate chamber, which is a power place. i give a lot of thought to it, and i was the majority leader, a democrat from hawaii to open the session with a prayer, the kazaa i was in a little bible study group with because i was in a little bible study group with him. he gave us a really good outline and we started the discussion. i did not know how it was going to turn out and i don't think tom knew, either.

finally, kennedy got up -- ted kennedy -- and made some suggestions on how we could proceed, and then phil gramm , a republican from texas, got up, and i realize they were saying the same thing. mack, wet from connie came up with the same thing. so we decided on a gram m-kennedy plan, said it was ted a liberal from massachusetts, and phil gramm, a conservative from texas, who came to an agreement. and when i was walking away with tom, i said, to you know what we agreed to? [laughter] then we had to sit down and render it to writing.

i still don't remember what the agreement was. [laughter] but it broke the dam and we went forward. and a got done in a dignified way and we filled our constitutional responsibility. some people said you could have removed him if you really wanted to, no, most of my life in politics i was a whip, i counted the votes are it the votes were never there. so how can we do this in the proper way and get to an end where we can carry on with our country? we finish this proceeding on a friday night, and the following thursday, l clinton called me -- bill clinton called me, he did and talked anything about what kind of legislation was moving for. and it worked. we work together. and our colleagues realized it was a historical moment. we could have embarrassed ourselves. but we realized we could work on

both sides of the aisle. wanted monica lewinsky to be a witness, and i said never. we did not want to demean the senate and treat it like it was a regular court proceeding, we are going to do this with dignity, and the way that it has been done historically, and it is not going to include that. i think that was one of the moments where tom and i actually felt a bond of trust in each other, and i remember still where we stepped across the aisle from each other and we should cancel we said we got it done, now let's go forward. [applause] things i think that most people forget is that right after the vote on impeachment, there was a bomb scare. we all had to leave the building. again, this was in the 1990's, and nobody knew where to go. i security team had no idea what ended up to do, so i hav

walking to the space museum for about 22 hours. two hours. [laughter] a point to my next question, and that is, can you explain to me what is so funny in this picture? >> yeah, tom had told a dirty joke. [laughter] >> i thought you were sharing john mccain stories. >> actually, that picture was by a wonderful photographer who asked if he could follow me around for about a week. -- and trent was good enough to say, yeah, if you want to do this -- he had a norma's enormous he had access. picture was taken when

we were negotiating a 50-50 senate. i don't know what was funny about 50-50 at the time. thought thatint, i we still had the majority, but that was in my office. this is another example -- leaders now, i doubt if they ever grace each other's offices. he came to my office and i would to his office. what a small thing to do. how ridiculous would you be if you would not go to the other leader's office. but that was one of the things that we did to keep an easy relationship. by the way, sitting at that desk, we laughed, and we cried some, too. >> i was thinking that senator daschle said that senator jeffords had just rated parties.

-- traded parties. >> yeah, that's true. >> you both served in the house, it has been said that the senate is the saucer that cools the hot coffee. just seems to be dysfunctional. you have alluded to it. do you think it is personality? do you think it is partisanship? what you think is driving this? >> i think it is an array of things. it is partisanship, it is personality, it is the times. i think the times of change. i blame the airplane impart. in the old days when travel was not nearly as convenient as it is today, people stayed in washington for large blocks of time, and then they go back to their homes for equally big blocks -- not equal, but significant time -- but nowadays

, people leave on thursdays to come home and do their fundraising, and they come back on tuesdays. try to govern on wednesdays. and you just can't do that. that is one of the biggest challenges we are facing. the senate is only in session this year, at a 355 days, they're only session 109 days. out of those 109 days, only about one third of that time is synchronized with the house. of that time, about two thirds of the time, the house is not in session. so there is no way to correlate -- to do the kind of coordination that is necessary to move mean if a to work together. thato mention the fact this is such a big topic that we could go on for the rest of our time -- but i think i would start with that, but there are many other aspects to it. >> you have come up with some proposals, including being in session five days a week. >> it is common sense.

the job is in washington. you want to stay in touch with the constituency, or do you want to go to south dakota? to myi always wondered go home in mississippi. but you are elected to go to washington on behalf of the people. our government makes decisions on your behalf. we don't vote by referendum, we vote by voting for the people. so we recommended simple things like being in session five days a week. tom and i used to vote on mondays and on friday mornings, sometimes on weekends if you had a job to do. we would stay in session three solid weeks and five days. a work week. five days, right? but then you would have the forth week to go home to your stay and do your constituency work then. but now, the house is in two weeks and out two weeks. the senate is kind of in and out

, they are sponsored be three in one, but they don't work that many hours really, and also, they are not coordinated like tom says. so it is many things that have led to what we have seen now. now we want to emphasize, we don't want to be preaching from the stands to the people on the field and tell them, look what we did. but there are a lot of reasons for it. one of the things that we are really missing, in addition to the american people being more involved in paying attention, the solution is not to throw the s out, and -- the bum look, i am a very conservative republican, so for me to say they are way to the right, that

i don't know when i became an establishment moderate. same thing on the democrats. there is not much middle. the leaders have trouble keeping their teams in place. we need some leaders that will step up, whether it is a president of the united states, the majority leader of the senate, the minority leader, the speaker of the house, somebody in the leadership. to say, we have to stop this for america. what we need are leaders who will lead. [applause] >> on that point, do you think that congress is more of a reflection of the divisions in the country, or a cause of that? the reason that i ask is that there are new statistics about the way the country is congregating.

people that think and live alike and have similar lifestyles are living together more in the same communities. i wonder if you think that the congress is simply a reflection of that divided country that we have here? you have said it before, you sort of get the congress that you vote for. >> i think to a certain extent -- the pew research institute came out with a report a few weeks ago that, chuck, you probably reported on, that the american people are more polarized than they have been a longtime. i think that is because of something else that we talked about, which is that we tend to migrate to those media sources that we agree with, whether it is fox news or msnbc. we have more blogs today than ever before, and a stir things up -- they asked her things up in a way that we did not have before. the media has changed medically. they used to beat referees and

now they are participants, and that is catalytic for polarization. i have to say there is one other i just have to mentioned, the money chase. a senator today will be on a competitive phrase and has to raise $15,000 every day. they don't do that. so they wait for the last two years and spend two thirds of their time going for dollars. they set in -- they sit in little cubicles, piling all day long. that is no way to run a country. [applause] put want to go back -- i'll you on the spot here, senator. you supported president obama early in his campaign.

do you think he has been a good leader? >> yes and no. i think every leader has failures and has successes. i give him great credit for passing something i care deeply and passionately about to -- health care. [applause] can i make a point on that? that was a partisan vote. i wish it could have been -- we could get into that. he was encouraged. i was in the room when he was callraged what we commonly -- a medicare for all approach. , i want to take the heritage foundation model that was offered in 1983. the heritage foundation model. it's an alternative to the single -- single-payer approach.

then told, no let's have a public option for those who want to sign up for. he said, no, we will never get republican support if we do that. i was there at the stages were he made the decisions where he made the effort. at the bottom line is that we did not get bipartisan support, and i think it is undermined our beginning from the beginning to move the legislation forward. >> tom, i think, was shocked today because one of the bright students that we met with at south dakota state university, we met with nurses and pharmacists and others, and they asked us tough questions. they asked me, basically the question was, did i think we would have passed health care reform if we had been in charge? and i shocked tom, because i said yes, because i do think the health care reform was coming and there was a lot of need for it. accessibility, affordability. but it would have been

different. we would've had more amendments. it would die by the bell that passed, it would've been more broadly supported. -- it would not have been developed past, it would've been more broadly supported. as for the president, i was scrubbing for tom, and he could've asked me if i are we george w. bush, and the answer would have been no one that. -- no on that. [laughter] presents should meet with the congressman, talk with republicans, talk with democrats on immigration reform. there are republicans that want to get that done. >> you did that every week with president bush? >> yes, after 9/11. we had to wear our jackets. >> i showed up have to rest. [laughter] i am a night owl, so.

credit, wen, to his met with him a lot. he was on the phone day and night. wantdays i didn't think to -- i didn't want to talk to him at 3:00 in the morning. but he was always in touch, trying to get us to do more of what he wanted and understand what we were up to. i don't think president obama does that. i don't think he enjoys that type of relationship. i think it would help him if you would do that. and also with democrats. you have got to work with a team that you got, regardless of party. everybody in washington says we need broad-based support. need to cut corporate tax rates in america so we will be competitive? sure. yet we haven't done it. hopefully we will do it.

one day i would say to my republican colleagues in the whate -- tell the people you are for. we know you don't like aca. we know you are holding your breath and hoping his unpopularity will elect you. that isn't good enough. what are you for? [applause] i try to stay away from the partisan remarks. if they try to hold their breath and ride this train out, id on't -- i don't know. but if we talked about what we could do with economic growth and education -- we don't even have a higher education act. nobody's against it, and yet it languishes in the committees. we are to have to think about foreign policy and defense again. these are not issues that would surprise anybody, but he was talking about those things that we need to do?