everyone. that is what the tea party is doing. that is why we are where we are at. we just have to go out and vote, people. >> thank you, everyone, for being here, thank you to all the panelists for coming. it was a lively discussion. thank you very much. appreciate it. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute] c-span's coverage of campaign 2014 continues with a debate in the wisconsin governor's race. after that, secretary of state john kerry talking with stapleton personnel about the

u.s. response -- talking with state department personnel about the u.s. response to ebola. >> the c-span cities tour takes book tv on the road, traveling to u.s. cities to learn about their history and literary life. this time we partnered with timewarner cable. >> we make the most cheese and the best cheese. the industry developed in was nsin from what homestead cheese where each farm family made cheese for their own use. it was recognized that we had an ideal environment for raising dairy cattle, and cheese was a way to take that perishable product before refrigeration, which would only last about three days. if you make cheddar cheese, it can last for a decade. this was the late 1880's when

the industry got started in wisconsin. daries would form a cooperative, and they would hire a cheese maker and they would work for the cooperative on shares. the cheese makers tended to move around a lot. in 1930 over 2,000 cheese plants were in wisconsin. as transportation and the road system improved, there was consolidation among the smaller plants, and that continued up until about 1990 when there were only there 200 cheese factories in wisconsin. >> watch all of our events from green bay saturday on use's back tv and american history tv on c-span 3. >> next, c-span's coverage of campaign 2014 continues with the wisconsin governor's debate between scott walker and marry burke. this is the -- marry burke.

this is the second of two debates. they list the race as a toss-up. this is about an hour. >> this year, the wisconsin broadcasters association is hosting two state-wide gubernatorial debates. last week's did he base in oclar imp e, wisconsin, and tonight in milwaukee. this evening's debate will engage the two loading candidates for wisconsin governor. republican candidate, scott walker, and democratic candidate mary burke. this debate is made in possible in part through generous grants through independent colleges and universities and aarp of wisconsin. i would now like to introduce the moderator for tonight's debate. teran reporter for w ump wm, milwaukee public radio, erim

toner. >> thank you, michelle. the goal of this debate is to help voters make informed choices on november 4 but encouraging the candidates to share specific ideas on how they intend to governor wisconsin. each candidate will have two minutes for an opening statement. after opening statements we turn to other panel for questions. the format as approved by the candidates requires each question be directed at both candidates and not one or the other. each candidate will have one minute 30 seconds to respond followed by 30-second rebuttals. we will alternate order. candidate ms. burke and candidate governor walker. answers detailed and on topic. if you give less than specific answers i may call on the panelist to restate the question and give each of you 30 second. please adhere to the time

limitings. there is a doubt clock visible to both of you. i would remind you that your time is up. should you persist, your microphone will be silencend. we conclude with three-minute closing statements from each candidate. as we did last time, we will be addressing the candidates as governor walker and ms. burke. ms. burke, you are first. >> thank you. thank you to the wisconsin broadcasters association, governor walker, all of you at home watching tonight and my family. my mother and relatives who are here with me tonight. this election is about wisconsin's future. not only can we do better, but we must do better so that everyone has a fair shot to get ahead as long as they are willing to do the hard work. governor walker sees it different. he said, and i quote, we don't have a jobs problem. well, the typical wisconsin family has seen a drop in their family income of nearly $3,000

over the last four years. that is a jobs problem. people are working harder and harder, but they are seeing less for it. it ♪ fair, and it is not good for our economy. instead of building up the middle-class, governor walker has aimed his tax breaks to those at the top, and it is not working. wisconsin is dead last in the midwest in terms of job growth under his watch. that is a jobs problem. rather cherry picking a few winners at the top, i want to make sure that every wisconsin family has a fair shot to get ahead as long as they are prepared to do the hard work. a fair shot means first and foremost great affordable public education starting at kindergarten, all the way through college. i want to up vest in our schools, not cut them, and i am going to make college more affordable. a fair shot also means a growing economy with growing small businesses, raising the minimum wage, and creating more good-paying jobs. a fair shot means rugging the tax burden to those being

squeezed, and a government that is accountable, fiscally responsible and not working for the special interests. fenally it means an end to the divisiveness. we should remember we are all on the same team and we are oud beforeites first and foremost. i look forward to sharing my plans for you that gives wisconsin a fair shot and a bright future. thank you. governor walker. >> good evening. thanks to the w.b.a., and thanks for our moderate yator and panelist, and specifically thanks to my wife and two sons. thanks to all of you at home tuning in for what i hope will be an hour of hope and honest discussion about this great state. i have great news. more than 8,400 new private sector jobs were created this past month. that is the best september we have had for private second tar job creation in more than a

decade. on top of that, unemployment is now down to 5.a%, the lowest we've seen since october of 2008. wisconsin ranks fifth in the nation for new manufacturing jobs. at is why we have invested $100,000 for training. the most recent fiscal year ended with a cash balance of some $517 million. and the next state budget will gin with a surplus of $535 million. we can invest in things like economic development, quality schools, our u.w. system, technical collegings, helping needy families, children and seniors. investing in our infrastructure, public seventh and veteran services, and particularly helping people who violence. of family overall, wisconsin is much better off than it was four years ago, and we have got a

plan to make it even better for the next four years. i invite people to go to scottwalker.com and look at the details of that plan. i look forward to sharing those details here with you tonight. working together we can continue to move wisconsin forward. that is why i ask four vote on november 4th. >> thank you. our first question tonight is from charles benson, political reporter. >> good evening. let's talk about some of those budget numbers. this week the state's not partisan number crunchers told us wisconsin has a $517 million surplus. at the same time we are hearing that the state faces a $1.8 billion projected shortfall in the next two-year budget. voters are asking how can both be true? my first question, do you agree there is a surplus, and what is your priority foe that money? secondly, do you agree there is is a projected deficit in the

next budget, and if so, what would you do specifically about it? ms. burke you go first. >> well, it is important that the people of wisconsin actually understand the financial position of our state. i have been a business person my entire career, balanced a lot of budgets. sometimes the numbers can be confusing. the fact is the $517 million refers to just a cash balance. so if you have a lot of bills that haven't come due or you haven't paid them yet, it might look like you have more money. but if you owe a lot of bills you don't really have that much. that is the case here. we actually have less of a cash balance than had been projected at this point. also we have a lot of deferred bills. there are u.w. colleges and universities that are putting building projects on hold in order to inflate this number to make it look better than it is. so we have to be honest with the people of wisconsin and under governor walker, he has

spent money that we don't have. in fact, this year we are in right now, he is projected to spend $400 million more than we take in. the way i would approach this, and the $1.8 billion projected budget deficit is we have to make tough decisions. we have to get the economy going so we have more revenues coming in. we have to make sure we prioritize our spending based on economic development and getting our economy going because that is what is going to make sure wisconsin is in the strongest position financially. when we get our economy back up and running. >> thank you. governor walker? >> well, there is no disputing the facts, and the facts are clear. wisconsin just finished its last fiscal year, june 30, 2014 with a $517 million surplus. the next state budget will begin with a surplus of $535 million. that $1.8 billion number you heard out there comes from an

assumption based on zero growth. that just doesn't happen. the reality is that is just not a factor out there. we have seen the fact that this next state budget is based on a surplus because we take it on five-year average revenue growth, and if you combine that with the fact that just making some reasonable adjustments to the budget as we have over this past year, it will put us in a place we have a surplus. i am going to ask our moderator for a second. that clock just changed twice. had a minute thirty and it clicked to a minute. >> you do have a minute thirty, nd we are going to check the clock. >> it was a little odd. >> i agree. >> we are going to check it. is now ms. burke, your 30-second rebuttal. let's make sure we have 30 seconds on the clock.

i think we are set. go ahead. >> the fact remains that we projected billion deficit. this is a difference of $2 billion from the last budget. it is because of the fiscally irresponsible decision the governor has made and because the revenues of the state are lagging because the economy is lagging. this is going to be a tough budget. but as governor i am prepared to take on those tough decisions for the next budget. >> governor, your rebuttal? >> four years ago we inherited a $4.6 billion deficit. we paid our bills off. paid back the money that was owed to the transportation fund and the patient compensation fund, and we even had to pay money back to minnesota.

the rainy day fund is 165 times bigger than went we took over. we have paid our bills off and putting the focus on fiscal responsibility. but we will have a $535 million surplus in the next state budget based on the reasonable projections laid out in the non-partisan memo to the co-chairs. >> let's go to our next question from kent. >> ms. burke and governor, this debate is taking place in downtown milwaukee and you have both spoken about the importance to awful wisconsin of having a thriving economy in the state's largest city. but unemployment in inner-city milwaukee, particularly among african-american men remains at 50% or higher. voters tell us if there are jobs, they are not here, they don't have access to them, and they are desperate for change sooner rather than later. they can't wait for a long-term fix. can you give us some specific

examples of what you will do to tackle the unemployment problem in the heart of the state's largest city? >> this is a real problem, a real issue. i noticed that years ago when i was the milwaukee county executive. in april of 2012 we announced our transform milwaukee project. we projected out $200 mill million worth of invested. to try and invest in new developments and projects. that is not enough. we have added to that as well. the transform milwaukee program for jobs is something we have built off of. i have asked the lieutenant governor and beth cox who head up my task force on minority unemployment to tackle that issue. they have made a series of

recommendationles. it is why we have done academic and career plans to start the next school year to start the long-term plan. we need short term investments in milwaukee. we have a new department of children and families headquarters. we have a water center. e invested money into an innovation center in the heart of milwaukee. we are going to continue to build off of that and not just talk about it, put our money where our mouth is. >> ms. burke? >> i just want to make sure the clock was set. thank you. this is a real issue because wisconsin cannot have a thriving economy without a milwaukee economy that is thriving as well. the milwaukee economy hasn't come back at the same rate that the rest of the state has or rest of the country. the rest of the country has gotten back 8.7 million jobs it lost during the great recession. in milwaukee under the jobs

record of governor walker, it would be six more years before milwaukee county would get to prerecession employment levels. that is not good enough, and governor walker has had four years. just forming task forces now isn't good enough. what i would do, based on my experience as an entrepreneur myself, i would first and foremost use a new concept used in cleveland called anchor institutions. you use anchor institutions like health care, hospitals, educational institutions that work with communities surrounding it to start new businesses, help them to grow those businesses, give them contracts. we also need to invest right in the local communities in neighbors where we have boarded up store fronts. give people the business skills and the capital they need to start their own retail businesses there. hire people locally. keep the profits lowellly and gain the small businesses skills. that is how we can immediately

start to create jobs in the central city. >> rebuttal? >> that $100 mill i talked about is more than talk. we have envested it. we have leveraged another $100 million on top of them. we have a revolving lone fund. we have done the same thing with the hispanic chamber of commerce as well. my opponent referenced govern doyle. has -- we have had to clean up that mess and will continue going forward. >> getting back to the central city in milwaukee, the most important thing we have to do is focus not only on jobs themselves, but job skills and education. i look forward to taking on the tough issues around education in milwaukee because that is what is it going to drive economic development and jobs in the long-term. we have to make sure that people have the skills and the training and a career plan when

they leave high school to make sure they get there, along with affordable access to higher education. >> the next question is from mike. >> thank you. ms. burke, governor walker, both of you have said you need more information from an economic impact study before taking a position on a high stakes kenosha casino proposal. what specifically are you going to need to see in that study to convince you to say yes or no. furthermore, what does your gut say? what does your moral or philosophical compass tell you about expanded gaming here in the state? >> i look forward as governor to taking on this issue. it is very important to the people of kenosha and milwaukee. what we have seen is southeastern wisconsin's economy is lagging. governor walker has had 14 months to do this. before this was approved by the

ferguson, he laid out three criteria he said he would use to make that decision. he has now flip-flopped and not using those criteria. in addition, not one of those criteria had to do with job creation and economic development, which is actually the most important issue we face here. so i would make sure we have an impartial study that looks at the impact of the casino both on milwaukee and kenosha, the state as a whole. we are in competition with other states like iowa and illinois not only for gaming, but for entertainment. i have said if it shows it creates a significant number of new jobs and it adds to wisconsin's employment and tax base, that i would approve that casino. but we do need to have that impartial study done, and as soon as that is finished, i will make that decision. i will not kick the can down the road as governor walker has done. .> for us, i love the kenosha

i spend a lot of time down there, and i am pleased to see how many new jobs we have created, many of which have come from across the border. whether it is catalyst exhibits, or new waves, or kennel manufacturing. certainly amazon in the town of summer. the milwaukee business journal put out a story a couple of months ago that talked about 4,000 new jobs in the kenosha area in the last four years. i want more jobs there. but the biggest thing holds us up right now is two words. jim doyle. he put in context a decade ago if a casino is put up in kenosha, one of our governments do hold out $100 million or more. they have already talked about withholding those payments. for me, a $100 million hole in the budget is significant.

we are going to take the full amount of time we need to, to make sure we can create the jobs and have a win-win. create jobs there and other parts of the state and make sure we do that without creating a $100 million hole in the budget. >> rebuttal? easy situation. you have to have the best interests of the state as a whole in minnesota to bring the parties together to do something good for the state. i think we have that opportunity here, but we have to make sure that we get people to the table. that is what i have done through my entire career, is build those type of public/private partnerships and negotiations that make sure we end up on right side of this. >> this is one area where my opponent and others criticize the time we have taken, and the

ferguson took nine years. they needed the time to make a decision. we want to make sure we don't put a $100 million hole in the state budget. we are going to continue negotiating with the travel gaferts. >> mike, i see you would like to follow up and press for specifics. would you please restate your question. >> ms. burke you said a significant number of jobs. is there a set number? 1,000, 2,000, a certain revenue number that you need to see in that report to say ok, i am with it? >> it would certainly have to be in excess of 500 jobs, but we have to look at not only the direct jobs that get created, but the multiplier effect of additional people spending that money in the community. i would look at both direct and indirect jobs. >> for me a win-win-win is making sure we add jobs in

kenosha, don't subsubtract jobs from the other part of the start. >> our next question is from ted perry. >> good evening to you both. sadly, it is not being used this fall due toe an epic collapse by the milwaukee brewers, something that isn't blamed on either one of you. but miller park is here, and it would not be here without the subsupport and behind the scenes persistence of then governor tommy thompson. it is very likely whichever one of you wins next month will have to deal with an arena issue for the milwaukee bucks, who could be seattle-bound if a new facility isn't built. there really is a shot clock here. so can you tonight declare whether you will use your political clout and capital to allow public fund fog a new arena, or will you pledge to block the use of any state tax dollars used needed for the project. governor, it is your turn to inbound the ball here.

>> i think it is an important issue. i have two sons here who love to go down to see them. it is not just in milwaukee, but a state asset. quality of life involve a whole series of things. what i have said in the past is i do not support another sales tax or another new tax as has been talked about in the past for this pick project. what we should look at is what is the actual value. not the theoretical value. what is the milwaukee bucks as a team bring into the state of wisconsin in terms of revenues to the state that we would otherwise lose? it is clear the nba has set by 2017 if they are not up and going, they are going somewhere else whether seattle or somewhere else. we don't want that. part of our goal is to assess, and we have been worksing on this, assess the actual amount the bucks and the players -- remember not only the bucks, but the visiting players are taxed on a prorated basis when

they play a game here in wisconsin. what is the actual dollar amount and what would we lose, that is a legitimate basis upon which to guinea decision with members of the legislature and the public. >> your response ms. burke? >> i grew up in heartland not far away, and i remember watching the bucks when they won the nba championship in 197 is. i know the glory we can see in the community here from having a thriving nba franchise. as i mentioned previously, what we have seen right now is in milwaukee county has not come back from the recession. six more years until we get to prerecession employment. so we have to look at what investments are needed in order to have a thriving milwaukee economy. that represents a lot not only directly to milwaukee but the other communities around it, and certainly to the state. i know from my experience at trek bicycle, sometimes you have to make investments in order to grow. the public option to be on the

table, but it should be the last one. and we have to protect the taxpayers here. and we also have to understand the impact it has on the community, not only the direct impact but the indirect impact on milwaukee. we have to make sure that milwaukee is a thriving community, that we are groving jobs, that we are able to attract and keep young people in our communities. and it is things like sports teams and cultural institutions that play a large role in that. so i want to look at this from a business perspective. what is the impact of that team overall on the community? how can we bring people to go in public-private partnership to make it happen while protecting the taxpayer. >> governor walker? >> i will have milwaukee. my kids were born at st. joseph's here. i have one who goes to school here and another who goes to school in madison. i want to make sure them and other sons and daughters like them want to stay here. it is quality of life.

i want to make sure we do so in a responsible way. the tax and spend policies we saw in place before i came to office are largely responsible for the jobs we lost in the past. i don't want to repeat those mistakes in the future. >> ms. burke? >> there is an important decision for milwaukee. i applaud senatorial cole and other leaders putting more resources into this. we have to recognize there is going to be a lot of private investment that is going to be behind this. as governor i want to look at how we make this happen. again, we need to protect the taxpayers, but a lot is riding on the line here, and i am willing to take a leadership position to make this happen. >> thank you. back to chance vincent for the next question. >> we have steen a huge tv battle over all the adams saying who would do a -- ada over who would do a better job. the milwaukee sentinel analyzed the numbers and found wisconsin

lagged the nation in private sector growth, including governor walker's year and ms. burke's years. if fans expect the packers to win the super bowl every year, why shouldn't the taxpayers expect better results? give me some plays that will allow the state to outperform the country. ms. burke you go first. >> it is why i am running for governor, because we are not doing the things to make sure we are doing the things to make sure wisconsin has a growing thriving economy. it is going to take a lot more than is being done right now. that is why i laid out in my invest for success jobs plan five core strategies on how to make this work. these are five strategies that are unique to wisconsin, ones that i think will work here. they are the best ideas that i gathered from across the country. two of them -- i could go on for a lot more than a minute thirty on this, but it is about work force development. training, college

affordability. it's about small businesses being able to grow. and right now we are 46th in the country in terms of new businesses started. it is new business and small sinesses growth that creates 76% of the jobs created. we have to make more capital accessible to small businesses. we have to make sure that we can attract and keep going people in the work force, that they stay in our communities, that we have a strong public education system, whether it is kindergarten or all the way through university. we have to bring down the cost of college. 70% of the jobs created in the future require education and training past high school. so i lay out these strategies. it is going to take a lot more and right now we do not have a plan or a vision on how we can make sure wisconsin is actually ading the midwest instead of lagging. >> we have an exciting plan and we are building off of it.

part of my opponents arts and dozens of ideas are based on the things we are doing. the investment we made in the global water center to help clean water technology. the energy innovation center u valley. ippewa we also need to build on our bread and butter, manufacturing and agriculture. we put in place new incentives that is going to accelerate the growth in those areas in the coming years. it is not your parents manufacturing anymore. it is a new wave. in agriculture we have seen a 17% increase in the first six months of this year alone in ag-based exports. it is those areas, food and water, beverage, science, bio-tech, things we have invested in that are eye involving. our plan is called wisconsin

comeback. it is about investing in education, and particularly in higher education, but with targeted investments. we just put $28 million more in this summer into buying down the waiting list to help people getting into manufacturing, i.t. other emerging industries in the state. we want to grow off that. >> mrs. burke, rebuttal? >> the sentinel reviewed governor walker's jobs plan and said it is more of the same. it is not going to move the needle. we have to be a lot more aggressive about the investment that i have. what i have seen from governor walker is he somehow believes he gives tax breaks to those at the top, and it somehow creates jobs. i am a business person. i know how jobs get created, and it means you have to have that small businesses growth. you have to have work force training. you have to have a real plan, and it has to be aggressive. >> governor walker? >> 8,400 new jobs were created

last month. that is the best september in more than a decade. unemployment is down to a.5%. voters should look. come pierre-paul apples to apples. the only time in the last 25 years the state unemployment record was worse is when my opponent was the head of commerce in wisconsin. wisconsin ranked 42nd in the country for job creation. that is not the recipe going forward. >> i would like to ask each of you about your reaction to a jobs related issue that you have faced in your campaign. there is a saying in politics the buck stops hyper. but governor walker when asked this week about your failure to reach your stated goal of 250,000 new jobs during this term, you blamed that on uncertainty among employers due to the capital protests and recalls. ms. burke you blamed this week the controversy surrounding the multiple copied packages of your jobs plan on a consultant

saying he shouldn't have used the same words. so, how much responsibility or blame to you personally accept for those situations having occurred, and should the voters hold you accountable? governor we githl begin with you? >> before we took office, wisconsin lost 133,000 jobs because of policies of jim doyle. back then as i was traveling the state, i met people like sandy who had taken a pay cut and ultimately lost her job or someone like michael, who had been a press operator for 20 years, only to see his job eliminated during the down sizing. those are real people across the state. i set a big goal of 250,000 jobs to make up for the jobs lost and for the future. i believe in the state. while we are not there yet, we have come a long way. over 100,000 new jobs in the 3

1/2 years we have been in office. there is plenty more work to be done. s voters look at it they are not going to blame us. we want to have big goals. look at the contrast between the two of us. in the last three years we have created nearly twice as many jobs as were created during the three years that my opponent was in charge of the demarment of commerce under governor doyle. at that time we were 42nd in the country for job creation. we have just come off a september with the best september for private sector job creation we have had in more than a decade. i think that is a good sign for the phaneuf future. >> well, with the number of times that governor walker has mentioned jim doyle, he would rather be running against him than me. i am a business executive, and that is the experience that i bring to this. as secretary of the department of commerce i would like to clarify because the unemployment raid was 4.8%, and

we had 50,000 more jobs than we have currently. governor walker is cherry picking a lot of numbers, but the fact is that we are not keep thing up with the rest of the country in terms of job creation. 10 american states, and we are 10th when you take the entirety of the term he has nunn in office. now i know we can do a let better, but we do need leadership, and we need a real plan, a solid plan. that is my jobs plan. i have been straight from the start about seeing these were the best ideas that we need to make sure that wisconsin has a thriving, growing economy. i sat down with a number of people, from michael porter, who is the global guru on clusters, to other folks who are experts in those field, and the consultant that i used, i cut ties with when i realized he had used similar ideas in other economic development plans. but great economic development plans are about great ideas, and actually the more they are used elsewhere and tested and proven successful, that is what

is it going to make sure that we are able to move wisconsin's economy forward. so as governor, the buck will stop with me, and in my jobs plan i play out the metrics on how people can measure me on the jobs that we are doing. >> governor walker, rebuttal. >> this is wolverine the things that people hate about politics, when somebody says one thing and does something different. when she worked governor doyle, she said i support governor doyle's policy entirely. she said this is a body of work based on her time at harvard. then we found out somebody else did that plan. that is the difference out there with leadership. >> ms. burke? >> well, governor walker is trying to distract from his own jobs failure and failure of achieving the promise he

created. my jobs plan is based on my experience. but to run hundreds of attack ada against me and to try to question my integrity is just trying to distract from that failure on jobs. that is something that is not accurate and it is something that doesn't reflect wisconsin's future and the plans for how we are going to move forward. >> let's go to the next question from mike. >> this d.m.v. report shows 185 people died, 2,600 others were injured in drunk driving related crashes in wisconsin alone. wisconsin is the only state in the nation where a first drunk driving offense is a ticket and not a crime. the two candidates for wisconsin attorney general do not support criminalizing first offense drunken driving. do you? and if not, what are your specific ideas to deal with this serious problem here? ms. burke? >> yes, actually i am on record as saying that i think it should be a misdemeanor.

right now there are not enough consequences for the first offense. we have to make sure there are consequences. not only is it 185 deaths, 5,000 crashes alcohol related. this is costing our society a lot of money, along with the type of personal injury it causes. we have to take a tougher stance. i have been endorsed by the wisconsin professional police association, and i will work with law enforcement to make sure that we have in place what we need to cut down on the number of fatalities, to cut down on the number of crashes. also work to make sure that this doesn't over burden our justice system by having alternative methods to be able to address this. we also have to make sure that people who have addiction problems are able to get the treatment. right now we don't have tough enough consequences that are going to mike a difference in addressing this. we haven't moved the needle

enough, and it is time for wisconsin to join the rest of the country and realize that this is something that is important to enshuring safety on our roads. >> governor walker? >> this is one of those tragic issues out there. i remember years ago when i was first elected as a state representative, one of the most heartwrenching hayeses -- cases we had to talk about was a team he lost a son because of someone who had been a multiple repeat offender. more so now, the problems now is the people who have been out on the road multiple times committing drunk driving. that is something we have to crack down on. i agree with the attorney general candidates that first-time offenders, criminalizing that is not the answer. it is going after repeat offenders. i think this is one of those issues that republicans and democrats can come together and work on. i am going to work with law

enforcement and the community. i have the endorsement of the men and women here at the police department here in milwaukee, the police social security and the wisconsin troopers association. people on the roads have to understand we are cracking down on people who are repeating this criminal activity over and over again. >> ms. burke? >> well, governor walker has had four years in order to address this, and the fact is that you would avoid a lot of the repeat offenders if you had tougher consequences on that first offense. people need to know right from the start before they get into those habits of drinking and driving that there are real consequences that come from that. >> governor? >> again, it is one of those -- i was just at our annual governors' conference on traffic safety. i am pleased that with the good work of law enforcement, first responders and the department of transportation and others, we have actually seen traffic accidents go down and some of the safety factors improve over the last year or so. we want to continue to build

off of that. and again, the way to do that is to crack down in this case on repeat offenses. show the consequences are serious, but particularly foe those who continue to go back on the road even after they have been pulled over. >> for the next question, we go to ted perry. i noticed last week you people like to tell stories about people you have medical. let me tell you a story about a family i met last summer and spent a remarkable evening. they own a small businesses. raise four great kits. church going people and own their own home. the home they own not far from here. it happens to be in one of milwaukee's more violent neighborhoods. so dangerous on a beautiful summer night they can't even sit on their own front porch out of fear of ricochet or gunfire, something we heard three times during our visit. at no. time is their teenage daughter allowed to go to the store two

blocks away. they are vitt wal prisoners in their own home. give me specifics, two or three reasons why that family will be saver and central city violence will be addressed when you are elected governor. governor walker, it is your time. >> thank you. living a few blocks away from milwaukee in, my home, and having my kids raised here and born in milwaukee, that is an issue i have seen all too often on each of your programs in the past. i think one of the most important things we have done this past year was work together with the city of milwaukee, the county and the state of wisconsin, coming together, republicans and democrats to support funding for the shot spotter program. we would like to expand that in the future. it is a good pilot, but where with remarkable accuracy can find out where the shots are fired but get police resources to tackle those. we looked at it with the chief.

many times we found in the initial projects when they went out and looked at this to begin with, many of the individual instances where a shot was fired, very few times did people actually call it in. we have to find a way to respond toe that, to provide the kind of security and safety that families like that need here and across the state, particularly milwaukee. we are committed to expanding that program in the future. >> ms. burke? >> it is a very serious issue and to think that right here in one of our cities that families cannot be outside and feel safe means we need to make changes. unfortunately, some of the things that governor walker has done has made it more difficult for law enforcement to do that. he cut shared revenue to minutes pallets, which really strained their budgets in terms of providing police and fire and local services. in fact, according to the latest first base reports, we have steen an increase in

violent crimes to second in the midwest. out of 107 american states, the second largest increase in violent crimes. so we are not doing enough. we have to make sure we provide adequate funding to our communities to be able toe fight this. when governor walker mentions the shot spotter, this is something he would not include in his buppingt. he turned down the request by milwaukee to have that, and tches only after a lot of pressure was put on that they restored it to parpgs funding. enough is not being done. i would work with law enforcement to identify other ways that they can be successful. we have to work with community groups and encourage the police to work with community groups so that it has a grassroots effort, and we have to improve the job situation in the central city. we know when you increase employment and jocks, crime goes down. so this cannot be just about law enforcement. it has to be about engagement in communities and economic development. >> governor walker? >> again, here are the facts. the facts are because of our

reforms, milwaukee in the first year alone saved roughly $25 million. in the most recent budget that mayor barrett put out, they not only saved money, they have enough money to add to the police department, raises to public employees in the city of milwaukee. they have been able to deploy more resources to law enforcement that will help families like the once you mentioned. >> we just have a lot of work to do, and we have to realize this takes a concerted effort. it is not easy work. it is going to be difficult work. but it means bringing people together. it is the type of public /private partnership i created , in closing on the achievement gap in madison. that was the schools, the boys and girls clubs, businesses and universities. that is how we are going to address these issues, when you bring team taking and take them

on. >> thank on. we have about three minutes left to go before we transition to closing goes. we have one more final questions. we have to shorten our sponses to this one to a minute with no rebuttal. >> i call an audible. ted. >> i think we had time for a short fun question, and so we are going to let you end on that. a permanent question. you are forbidden from campaigning for one day. doctor's orders. a beautiful fall down, you are told to get out on two weels. ms. burke, i imagine you get out on a tek. governor on your harley davidson son. where are you going and who are you bringing there? >> one of my favorite routes is 108 from west solemn up to black river falls. that on the cut, over to scenic highway 135 and down to the

mississippi river. i would take a bhump of the same buddies i ride harleys and hunt with. >> i would head towards heartland where my mom and two sisters live. we like to spend time together as a family, and we do quite a bit of cycling together as well, which is not a surprise. that is a great area, holy hill area, one of the most beautiful areas of the state, and spending time with family. t goes from my nephew alex, to my mom, and she probably doesn't want me to share her age. but that is what i would do. >> thank you panelists for the question. now it is time for three-minute closing statements from each candidate. because of the coin flip, governor walker, you are first. >> my first job as a kid was working as a dish washer at the countryside restaurant. it is amazing to me to think about the son of a small town minister and the son of a part

time secretary growing up to be the leader of this great state. for that honor i want to begin by thanking you the voters. i want to thank our moderator and panelists and my opponent and to all of you for tuning in. before i took over, wisconsin had lost 133,000 jobs. in fact, 133,000 wisconsin workers were out of a job. back in 2010 at the peak, the unemployment raid in this state was 9.2%. and in my predecessor's previous temperature, taxes were up, tuition were up, and we had a $2.6 billion budget deficit handed to us. things are better now. as repeated throughout evening, we now have a september where we saw the creation of 8,400 new private sector jobs in the state. that is best september in a deck ailed. our unemployment rate is down

to the lowest rate since october of 2008. we are in a position now where wisconsin ranks fifth in the nation for new manufacturing jobs. because of that, we are able to invest more than $100 million into worker training so people can get the skills for good paying jobs. we take a $2.6 million budget deficit and turned it into a surplus. we paid our bills and because of our, which regards your post them property tax and income tax cuts printed .ecause of that, -- because of that, the average family will see three to $20 in cuts. .e also froze tuition at uw we wanted me to make investments, in helping people like victims of domestic violence. into covering the chemotherapy.

we put more money into mental health services than any governor in a quarter century. we created a new pilot program to all people with disabilities -- help people with disabilities. and that we have a plan to make the next four years even better. i invite you to go to scott walker.com. it is a plan about ensuring that everyone that wants a job can find a job. a plan that will help you keep more of your hard-earned paycheck, help people learn more to ardmore, and being from government dependence to work. growing up, i got remember any people in my class who said, hey scott, when i grow up, i want to be dependent on the government. freedom and prosperity does not come from the hand of the government, it comes from empowering people. that is the american dream. i want to help everybody in the state of wisconsin labor piece of the american dream. -- live there views of the american dream. >> i know that wisconsin can do

better. i know that by ensuring that everyone is a fair shot, we will do better. , andr has had four years his approach, to put those of the top ahead of you, is not working. we are dead last in the midwest in terms of job creation, and it is not getting any better. be the worstack to year in job creation of the last five years. tax cuts for millionaires and special interest does not create jobs. growing the middle class and small business does. keptr economy had just pace with the rest of the country over the last three years, our economy would be $4 billion a year builder -- bigger. that is $4 billion i get spent in the local community and businesses. it is a tax base to fund education and infrastructure while reducing taxes. think about what that means to you.

a better school for your children, college that is more affordable, greater economic security of your retirement. the failure of the last four years is far too real for far too many rooted the typical was thousand family has seen income declined by nearly $3000 a year -- wisconsin family has seen income declined by nearly $3000 a year. i will put the politics aside and focus on what works. idea is aare if that democrat or republican idea, just that it will get results. along with ensuring a fair shot for everyone, i want to change the tone. governor walker's approach has been dividing conquer. that is not the wisconsin -- divide and conquer. that is not the wisconsin way. we have to remember that we are on the same team, politics aside and get the job done. i know that, based on my experience in business, we can do this.

we can be a top 10 thriving economy and a leader in the midwest. my career has been about seeing possibilities and getting results, whether through beating european operations and strategic planning, whether the boys andding girls club, or serving as your secretary of commerce, or orating an educatio -- creating an educational initiative that is opened doors for thousands of teens. i see the work that we can do to move wisconsin forward. i cannot wait to get to work israel governor. we have -- as your governor. we have everything that we need. i ask for your vote on november 4 and ask you to join be in building a wisconsin that works for everyone. thank you. .> thank you that wraps up the second of two debates. candidates, mary burke

and scott walker, to our viewers and timeless, thank you and good night. >> that concludes the debate between candidates democrat mary burke and republican scott walker. wisconsin radio and television stations were together to produce and broadcast this together tork produce and broadcast is debate as a public service to ensure that every citizen has an opportunity to hear and see the leading candidates for governor. the debate has been sponsored by wba association, it -- and the aarp of wisconsin. we want to thank the dissipation, along with the moderator, erin, and the panelists are it to vote on november 4. -- panelists.

and remember to vote on november 4. on behalf of the was thousand association, thank you and good night. -- wisconsin broadcasters association, thank you and good night. >> next, a look at ads airing in wisconsin in connection with the governor race. lied about her jobs plan. turns out it was plagiarized. now she is at it again, attacking the scott walker's record on jobs. attacks that "the milwaukee journal sentinel" says are false. in the last year, wisconsin ranked third in jobs growth. wisconsin gave 100,000 jobs under scott walker. we cannot trust mary burke. >> he made a pledge. >> hundred 50,000 new jobs. -- 250,000 new jobs.

>> and asked us to hold him up to it. dead last insin is midwestern job growth, temp out of 10. ?nd those 250,000 jobs not even close. broken promises, that lasting jobs. >> it has been called the light of the year. >> if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. >> and mary burke supports it. >> does not mean that the government with that he would start her to go to or which plans to have. millions of also doctors and their plans, mary burke says that she supports obamacare unequivocally and wants to expand it. wisconsin cannot afford medicines liberal married brooke liberal mary.

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from texast nurse who was diagnosed with ebola was flown into maryland on thursday and arrived at the national institutes of health. earlier today, officials's updated reporters on her care and be currently spent. --s is just over 20 minutes the current response. this is just over 20 minutes. >> good morning, ladies and gentlemen. my name is dr. tony foucci, i'm director of infectious diseases. i have dr. john gallonens, director of the clinical center which we are standing in front of. dr. h. clifford lane, the clinical director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases, and dr. richard davey, the director of the studies unit here. i'm going to describe what happened last night. then i'll have dr. gallon take a minute to tell you a minute about the building. and then we'll take questions and i'll direct the questions to each of the appropriate people. so last night at 11:54, nina pham, the 26-year-old nurse from

dallas, texas, who the press has referred to as nurse number one, was transferred by air vac landing at frederick and taken , by ambulance in a special secure environment here to the national institutes of health to be admitted to our special clinical studies unit. she is now here with us. as i mentioned this morning in a release, her condition is fair. she is stable and she's resting comfortably. in this unit we have a group of highly skilled, well trained, and experienced physicians, technicians, and nurses. i particularly point out the extraordinary capability of the training, the experience, and the dedication of our nurses and physicians who are taking care of her right now. i would be happy to answer any questions that you have. but before we do, let me just have john take one minute to describe this particular place, which some of you may not be familiar with, and then i'll

field questions if i can answer them, i will. if not, i will have my colleagues do that. i think something happened to the sound. >> good morning. i'm john gallon, director of the clinical center. welcome to this building which is the largest hospital in the world. totally dedicated to clinical research. our patients call this place the house of hope. our nurses say there is no other hospital like it. why is that? it's because our mission -- hold an for a second. i think there is not a microphone there. >> are you talking about the speaker? >> go. >> start over #>> speak louder.

>> our patients like to call this place the house of hope. our nurses say there's no other hospital like it. why? it's because of our mission, our special mission to combine research, excellent patient care, and training. we feel very humbled and fortunate to be in a position to work on this international disaster, ebola, and to try to develop some new preventive and treatment strategies. thank you very much. >> so i would be happy to take any questions. >> her condition is fair? as she deteriorated at all? >> she's not deteriorating. i cannot tell you at this particular time why we have said fair because the patient confidentiality, but she's quite stable now and resting comfortably. >> any idea how long she'll be here? >> we do not know how long. we'll get her -- we'll get her here until she is well and clear

of virus. >> do you have a prognosis on that? any idea how long -- >> we don't know. we never make those kinds of predictions. this is a serious infection. she's getting the optimum care. and it would be not appropriate to make a prediction when she would get out. she'll get out when she's well enough and free of virus. >> what is the optimum care? >> yes. she has the care of physicians and nurses and technicians with expansive training, experience, and knowledge of infectious diseases and infectious disease control. so there are two things that are happening. she's getting optimum intensive care if needed. therapy. but it's also being done with the optimal protection of our health care workers. >> i am not sure a layperson has ever seen video of someone, the best someone at this stage of

the virus, as we did last night. is the presentation right now typical for this point in her virus. we talk about what she saw in the video last night. >> i'm not so sure what you saw because i was waiting for the patient in the lobby. what was it that you saw that you want me to describe? >> obviously able to -- >> i didn't see the video, but i can tell you she had a long trip. a trip that was quite tiring. as you can see we assisted her. she was in a stretcher with a tent over it. it's the kind of thing that is optimum protection for the people in the ambulance. and we had with her one of our intensive care physicians dressed in the appropriate protective equipment which brought her out. when she came out she went from the plane and she had to walk off the plane because they wouldn't get her. but when we took her from the ambulance to the room, we had her on a stretcher and we wheeled her in and put her right in bed. i was asking about

the video the texas video released last night, of her in bed, just in her environment. at this stage in her virus, how is she doing compared to other people? >> it is impossible to say how she's doing compared to others. this is an individual patient that you treat each individual patient as an individual patient. and that's what we are interested. not how she's doing compared to others. we will take care of this patient. >> what has she been doing it since see is your best doing it since she is here? is she interacting with her caregivers, the doctors, nurses? is she sitting up? what's she's doing? >> she certainly is sitting up. she was examined by dr. davey. we saw her this morning. , would you like to -- rick, would you like to just give whatever information you can give without violating any patient confidentiality? >> sure. she's resting comfortably. she's interactive with the staff. she's eating. and she is able to interact

freely and really doing quite well compared to what we were told about her status at the other hospital. >> can you talk more about the specifics like how people are caring for her and a little bit more about why this hospital to is such a good place to treat this disease given the special facilities and training as compared to the hospital -- >> i'm not going to compare this hospital with other hospitals. but i can tell you what we have in this hospital -- i can tell you what we have in this hospital. we have infectious diseases experts who on a daily basis , notwithstanding ebola, take care of the sickest possible patients. we have a specific attention to infectious disease control because the unit of which she is in is a special studies unit. with davey, myself, dr. lane are board certified in infectious diseases and in internal medicine. she also has intensive care individuals there and nurses who

are highly trained, highly prepared, and highly experienced. that makes a difference. what is second. -- wait a second. excuse me. >> can you talk about how the team and special equipment. >> there are two shifts right now. a 12-hour shifts. rick, why don't you give the details of the number. i believe there's four and one five. would you? >> right. currently we have five nurses assigned on a shift. two are in the room with her at any time when nursing needs -- on a given week we estimate an ill patient of this type may have up to 20 nurses assigned in that week's time. >> why does it take this long for you guys to get the first ebola patient? why didn't thomas duncan come to you right away? >> i cannot answer that. we had been prepared.

we had a special studies unit which was started in 2011 for the explicit purpose of being able to accept patients who have anything that has to do with either bioterror or emerging infectious diseases. we stood ready to accept the patient. when we were asked to accept the patient we accepted the patient. i cannot answer why. i believe it's pretty obvious the man was sick in dallas and he went to the emergency room and then to the clinic at texas presbyterian. >> once she was diagnosed with once he wasadcom -- diagnosed with ebola, he should've come to the best ways -- >> again, you've got to be careful there. more than one place that can well take care of people with ebola. i wouldn't say this is the best possible place. i could just tell you this is a very, very good place. >> is there anything you may have learned even if it's just in public perception since the ebola crisis unfolded. and when you're dealing with a patient who is herself a nurse, what is her own understanding of the illness that she's been experiencing and she's still currently symtomatic?

>> i said she was in fair condition. which implies that she does still have some symptoms. she is in good spirits. she's a highly intelligent aware person who knows exactly what's going on. and she's a really terrific person. >> and what have you learned since this whole crisis began that might be different because of what happened in dallas. >> i don't want to comment. let me make it clear on comparing dallas to here. she's here. we are responsible for her. and that's our job. >> there are a lot of people watching this in dallas, too. is this recoverable for her? >> you say recoverable? in the sense of recovery. absolutely. we fully intend to have had this patient walk out of this hospital. and we'll do everything we possibly can to make that happen. >> have there been changes that affect the methods of transition?

can you also's to the capacity --handle patients like this also speak to the capacity to handle patients like this question mark >> first of all, let me talk about this particular -- again, i'm going to restrict my remarks to the national institutes of health special clinical studies unit. here, this is a research hospital. the primary purpose that we always put is the patient's welfare. associated with that we do whatever research to teach us more, to help other patients. so although she's on a research protocol, our main concern is the health and recovery of nina. >> did you learn anything about changess would indicate

but account for the trajectory of the virus? >> i can tell you again, i'm sorry, she came here at 11:54. all of us have been up all night. we haven't known a lot about the virus yet. we are taking care of the patient. >> you expect that you will be getting any experimental drugs, anything like that at this point as part of her care? >> i think that everything is on the table to be able to consider. this will always be done. we do this at all times with all of our patients that whenever an experimental drug is given, it's given with the express consent of the patient if it turns out that way. >> do you feel like there should be an ebola -- >> that's not a question i want to answer right now. again, i'm sorry, but i want to tell you what we do hear. here. this is what we do. >> at this point it's fair to

say you're treating the symptoms and not the ebola virus. >> there is no treatment for the ebola virus. we are giving her the best possible care on a symtomatic and systemic basis. >> the question is, does taking blood from dr. brantley and transfusing it into this patient, could that make a difference? the answer is absolutely yes. it could make a difference. because dr. brantley has within his plasma antibodies against the ebola virus. it is theoretically and possibly , likely, practically true that that antibody had a role. we don't know that. i think that's one of the things i want to emphasize about this particular institution. not only do we have the patient's welfare first, we need to learn things from other patients. so we are going to try as best as we possibly can to learn something. but the theoretical answer to your question, it certainly

could have made a difference. >> you talk about there being no treatment for the ebola virus itself. what does that involve? you talk about rehigh budget -- hardly -- rehydration and that sort of thing? giving back fluids. >> as you know, you've all heard, there are a variety of symptoms that have to do with ebola. there's diarrhea. there's vomiting. there's fever. there's rash. and there's sometimes there's organ systems dysfunction. whatever it is, we deal with it, we take care of it. but there is no specific therapy that has been proven to be effective against ebola. that's why excellent medical care is critical. >> was she able to give you any insight as to how she contracted the virus in terms of any practical moments she might recall? >> we are trying to work that out now because that is part of the issue of the kinds of things we might want to learn. but there will be more on that later. right now we just wanted to make her comfortable and take care of her. and then when we get further information, if appropriate, we'll make it known.

>> did you have a role in suggesting to texas presbyterian about future job here? -- that she should come here? were you urging the hospital to release her? is >> the answer is no. we made ourselves available and when called upon we accepted the responsibilities. >> one more time, explain the difference in condition. she left dallas in good condition. now you're saying she's in fair condition. can you explain why the change? >> when you get a patient in you evaluate them. dr. davey was primarily involved in that. there were things we saw we wanted to make sure we were not missing anything. we are very meticulous about that. you may start seeing a change in the status. so stay tuned. we'll give you updates as much as we can. >> is that a precautionary move? are you still evaluating her? >> no. i want to tell you that she came in. she's stable. when we give a level, it's based on what we see and we take care of it. it is highly likely that that will change.

but she came in in the middle of the night and for us that was -- starting that point, as soon as she got into the door. >> talk about her symptoms. right now. fatigue and anything else. >> she's very fatigued. this is a virus that wreaks havoc on you. i mean you could come in and be , getting better. you could decrease in diarrhea. decrease in vomiting. but you're still very, very tired. this virus knocks you out. >> woulduld you say -- you say that she is on the other end of the virus? >> we cannot predict that. this is a very unpredictable situation. we never make predictions until we have the patient walking out and talking to you and you can all ask her that question. we don't do that. >> i know you said you want to with the national institutes of health. let me ask you this, we heard the president will nominate an ebola czar. for the purpose of the national institutes of health, what do you think about having someone

else to report to? know exactly what is meant by a czar, but we will certainly follow the lead of the president and follow the lead of secretary burwell. >> so you do not mind having someone else to report to? >> i take care of patients and i do my job. other people do their job. >> speculation in the medical community this could become airborne? precautions taken here, do they include that possibility? >> there is no evidence whatsoever that this virus is airborne transmitted. everything we know about this virus is that it is direct contact with bodily fluids. you know them. we have mentioned them many times. vomit. diarrhea. blood. other body fluids. direct contact. >> while there is no evidence, do some of your precautions include that possibility? >> if you look at the protection that we have, with peppers and everything it would include , that.

but we are not doing it for that reason that we think it's respiratory. we don't. we are doing that for complete covering so that there is no part of our doctors, nurses, or technicians' body that is exposed when they see the patient. we have a very strict system of getting dressed with someone watching you, going in, coming out, getting undressed with someone watching you. we have a limited amount of time when the person can be in the room so that they don't get fatigued. that's what keeps our health care workers safe. >> two more questions. >> dr. davey, can you be more specific about why, without violating confidentiality, why she's labeled in fair condition at this point? >> you have to remember as dr. fauci said, she's been under our care for less than 12 hours. so we are taking a very conservative assessment at this point. as dr. fauci said, if the situation changes or we have more time to evaluate her, that situation may be upgraded. we'll see.

>> absolutely. >> she's in isolation and amber is in isolation, we hear about this third health care worker that has no been isolated. in light two of the three health care workers at that are in isolation, one was on a cruiseship and one an airplane. is he frustrated they were allowed -- what would you say. would you allow that to happen? >> i'm going to tell you something about ebola and i'm not going to specifically answer your question about who went where on what transportation. if a person is asymtomatic and body fluids that someone could come into contact with, that person is not infected.

our person is in lation -- is in isolation because she has a confirmed diagnosis of ebola. she's not only isolation. you do not want to equate isolation of ebola person and putting someone who has not got ebola that you're observing. those are two different concepts. she is where she is because she is sick and she needs care. [inaudible] per day to taket care of her. per dayuch does it cost to take care of her? >> this is a research hospital. and i'm going to give dr. gallin a chance. everything is free. , why don't you explain this. >> when i said there's no other hospital like it, we've never billed a patient for anything. we will travel them here if they need money. we'll house them or their family when they're here for free. and we never send a bill.

so this patient will never be charged for anything. >> what is the public paying? >> the public pays $402 million a year to run this hospital through the generosity of the taxes. and we manage that budget. >> we have heard at length about the physical impact of the virus. can you speak about having no person-to-person contact? >> first of all, let's be correct. she is in isolation. but she has almost continual person to person contact. we have nurses going in, doctors going in, we can speak to her. she has her ipad, all of the things she's got person to person. when we say isolation, let it be clear this isn't a torture chamber.

this is an individual who is constantly being cared for, cheered up, our nurses are spectacular. and they do that all the time. >> has she expressed any fear about her own position? we know this has been a deadly virus. has she voiced a worry about her own prognosis? >> she's a trooper, very brave. i think it would be unrealistic someone would not be worried. if they had ebola. one more question. john. >> her mother and her sister are in the area. >> i'm sorry, but we have to go upstairs for another meeting. thank you for being here. we appreciate it. thank you. kerryretary of state john briefed the diplomats on the u.s. response to ebola at the state department.

as in countries that are contributing -- he says that covers are contributing, but more needs to be done. this is about 10 minutes. >> we are very privileged in washington, in the united states, to have here one of the most to sing with diplomatic cores that is posted anywhere in the world. do cities are home to so many ambassadors was so much experience. this is why you come here. and so much global expertise and influence, frankly. so that's why coming together here this morning really does represent a special opportunity to deal with this moment. meeting this crisis is going to require that we draw on each other's collective experience. and our collective capacities. no one country, no individual

group of nations is going to resolve this problem by themselves. this is going to take a collective, global response, all hands on deck. that's the only way to get it done. and we believe that coming together here this morning can be an important beginning and really creating the kind of global response necessary. now i know you don't need me to tell you what we are up against. i'm sure you have heard it from your own capitals. and every time you turn on the television or the radio you hear or see gripping scenes that tell us in real terms about this challenge. there is no way to describe the scenes from west africa other than just heartwrenching. gut wrenching. and the images of a pregnant woman being turned away from a

hospital and she's on the verge of collapse. or of men and women dying on the streets. there are children orphanned and a lot of hopeful nations working to plant the seeds of prosperity and open societies now suddenly battling a brutal epidemic. 'so it's not just the suffering that we see or the potential risks that we face at that make this a different kind of crisis for us as diplomats. we live in a world of a lot of close calls, tough decisions on a daily basis. difficult and contentious issues where you can have an honest disagreement about what the best course of action is or about what the facts are or the results of your decision may be. ebola is not one of them.

it should not be contentious with respect to the facts or what is needed or how we proceed. we know the risks. we know the science. we know the medical certainties. we know what is required to beat back this epidemic. and right now we know that this is a time for nothing less than brutal honesty with each other about what we need. in both the capabilities that we need in order to meet this crisis and the real ways on the ground and the kinds of cash contributions, yes, cash contributions, that we need to fund these efforts for the months to come. and the fact is we haven't begun yet to fully meet the challenge at hand. so there are specific needs that we can meet right now.

we need 200 flat bed trucks and 350 so-called soft skinned vehicles for transport of aid and resources. we need more helicopters and capable crews who can get to work right away. we need more mobile laboratories, treatment centers, and beds. we need more incinerators and more generators. most of all, we need more of the courageous health care workers that we see making an incredible contribution right now on the ground, and we need to do everything that we can to provide these men and women the protective equipment and the treatment that they need. we know this, the things that we can do and need to do. we know even in the cases of texas, for instance, we know

that protocols are perhaps not followed in some instance or another, so there are ways, because we have plenty of people working who are treating people who are not getting it. and plenty of people who have been surrounding and around it who don't get it. so the fact is that you have to come in contact. and as long as you can make certain that that is not happening during those critical periods of incubation, there are ways to contain this. as president obama has said repeatedly, we approach this with humility. and we approach this with a huge sense of purpose. but we know that no matter what we do we are not going to be able to do it alone. we are proud of the fact at that we have contributed $258 million most recently and we are also delivering support in some very

unique ways that only the u.s. military can provide. that's why we are sending as many as 4,000 troops to the region. and that's why we are allocating up to one billion more for our armed forces for this purpose. and that's why we are creating 17 ebola treatment units and providing support right now for the mobile laboratories and the communications infrastructure. we are using every instrument of american power in order to try to get this job done. and as many of you know, i have been making a number of phone calls each day to my counterparts from your countries in order to encourage concrete steps. and we have been raising this issue in every single bilateral meeting that i have, but we know that nothing that one, two, three countries do together is going to solve it. we have to all be engaged in this.

there is no country that is exempt from being able to do something to be able to contribute to this effort and help make a difference. and everything we do depends on how we coordinate our efforts as partners and how we contribute together. w, already we are seeing nations large and small stepping up in impressive ways to make a contribution on the frontlines. team more or less has dough -- donated $2 million. cuba, a country of just 11 million people, has sent 165 health professionals and it plans to send nearly 300 more. we want to thank france for committing 70 million euroand for their response in guinea where they have taken on special responsibilities. and we want to thank the united kingdom for the ebola treatment units they are building in sierra leone, and germany has significantly stepped up its

efforts, including offering their facilities to treat health care workers. the european union is organizing medevac capacity and contributing 140 million euro, and the world bank and i.m.f. have committed more than $678 million. the african union is moving to send trained emergency responders to west africa. but no matter what we have already committed, it is clear , for every one of us, that we have to do more and we have to do it quickly. so of the one billion in needs that are estimated by the u.n., i regret to say we are barely a third of the way there. if we don't adequately address this current outbreak now, then ebola has the potential to become a scourge like h.i.v. or polio that we will end up fighting, all of us, for decades.

we shouldn't kid ourselves. winning this fight is going to be costly. it is going to take all of our efforts. and it is not risk free. nobody knows that better than the health care workers on the frontlines right now. whatever the differences there are between us in this room on one issue or another, on one attitude or another, the fact is everyone i know respects and admires the courage of any health care worker who is undertaking this challenge. so let's make sure that those health care workers aren't hanging out there by themselves. let's make sure that we are pulling together the resources, the equipment, the commitment, the cash to support their efforts. and let's make sure that their courage is motivating us every step of the way. and for these men and women to succeed, they need nothing less than our full commitment, which

is why we have asked you to come forward here today. this is a matter of real people, real lives, in countries that were beginning to take off. countries that were beginning to see the future and feel it. and suddenly they have been hit by this. this engages all of us and it is a real test of global citizenship. >> white house press secretary josh earnest briefed reporters. chosed that the president and then two of a government wires -- governmentwide response to ebola. he said that the president was not looking for an ebola expert, but a coordination expert.

>> good afternoon, everybody. i like the social atmosphere. let's see if we can keep that going. the world health organization this morning acknowledged dropping the ball on the initial ebola response, and missing sides that they should have caught on to. -- signs of the should of gone on to.

wonder if that hindered the initial response in the united states. >> about seem to be reports about the recent who comments. what i will tell you is that this administration has been focused on the evil outbreak since it was first reported in march. -- ebola out since it was first reported in march. we first deployed in the spring. over the summer, additional resources removed. because this administration had an understanding that the best way to protect the public and eliminate the risk is to stop the outbreak at the source. that is why you're seeing the cdc make the largest ever commitment of resources and personnel to the specific effort . was donesomething that even before the outbreak of the media attention that it has in the last several weeks. the president has followed up on

that effort by committing significant determine a defense -- department of defense resources. by adding those, we can leverage confidence. there pleased to see response from papers and nongovernmental organizations, or focusing time and attention and resources on the upper. upper.he -- effort. that is why you're seeing the president convened meetings with leaders in japan and across europe. he is trying to invest greater international support for the situation that we see in west africa. choice, the president's to be the point man is is already coming under fire by republicans on capitol hill. >> that is a shocking development.

>> i know. >> stop the presses. a few weeks before election and republicans are seeking political points? >> bringing down the mood. -- you are bringing down the mood. >> you say they are scoring political points. they are asking if it would be smart to have something with some level of medical expertise to be running this kind of operation. >> i think you're asking a good question, which is which kind of person is appropriate to fill this role. the fact of the matter is, this is broader than just a medical response. the response that you have seen is a whole government response. we need to make sure we're leveraging the the appropriate resources to protect the american public. as i mentioned earlier, the cdc has been involved with preventing the outbreak spread in africa. you have seen the department homeland security has played an important role in screening the

borders. from inner that are entering the country -- airplanes that are entering the country. there are additional measures that have been put in place within the last few weeks to ensure that we protect the american public. there is an important role to communicate with with state leaders. there is a significant medical component here as well, but is not solely a medical response. is why somebody with his credentials, somebody that has strong management experience both inside government and in the private sector, somebody was strong relationships with people in congress, and strong relationships with those of us that worked with him in the white house earlier in the administration. all of that means he's the right person for the job, and the right person to make sure that we are integrating the interagency response to this significant challenge. >> last night the president

seemed to open the door to possibly changing his approach in the future as far as a travel ban. saying he is not. we opposed to what. -- philosophically opposed to it. i was wondering if you could clarify whether that is something that increasingly is being thought of as a viable option, or is under any kind of active consideration? >> jeff, i would encourage you to take a second look at the president's comments. he did say what you are saying, which is that he is not philosophically opposed to this travel ban. i think that indicated a willingness for the president and the administration to keep an open mind as we evaluate the circumstances, taking the kind of tenacious approach that the american people expect from his government. but at this point, however, and i think the president was clear when he discussed this. at this point, if our key priority is protecting the american public we are not going to put in place a travel ban.

better simple because, as the president described, putting in place a travel ban could have a perverse effect on people who are seeking to travel to these countries and give an incentive to not be candid or honest about their travel history. right now by leaving commercial , travel open, individuals coming to this country are properly screened. this means that if you spend any time in west africa, and these three countries in west africa in last three weeks, you have your temperature taken, your information is collected by cdc officers so that if there is a need to contact you urgently we know where you are and how to do it. you are also given important information about ebola you can protect yourself and also people around you. and that also will enhance kind

of response we expect we will see, which is that if and individual walks to the door in a hospital anywhere in the country holding a piece of paper saying that they have been advised about ebola, they will be treated efficiently. this reflects the president's commitment to putting the the american public's interests at the top of the priority list. >> some of the intense fighting in and around kobbani has led us led coalitions to take down large numbers of islamic state fighters. -- bringing them off of i wonder if there is a tide the battlefield. i wonder if there is a tide that has been turned off there has been -- or there has been progress in the fighting?

>> in the last few days we have seen isil mass its fighters and materials around kobbani. they are obviously seeking to make advance into that city and essentially overrun it. at the same time that has created a rather target rich environment around the city for american coalitions. when they see clusters of fighters or depots of materials or supplies critical to the success of those fighters, it is easier to take them out. and so you have seen a stepped up operational tempo in and around kobbani. as the general said today, the united states and our coalition partners remain committed to attacking isis wherever they are, and right now that is kobbani. ok? >> josh, when did the president

assad to name ron -- the president to name ron? what prompted the president to change his mind about the idea of a czar? >> when asked this question last night in the oval office he indicated that he was pleased with the performance of his top -- his team. in fact, i believe that he described the work of lisa, his top home and adviser, as outstanding. -- homeless of security advisor, as outstanding. i would certainly echo that sentiment. at the same time, miss monaco has significant other interests. -- other responsibilities for security. and the president felt that he wanted somebody who could dedicate 100% of their time to coordinating behold the government approach to the ebola virus. the would you somebody who would spend 100% of their time doing it. miss monaco has other security

responsibilities. so the president made the decision to augment his team by bringing somebody in who will focus 100% of his time to this government response on ebola. it will ultimately, however, report to monaco and to national security advisor susan rice in the upper. -- in the effort. again, all this indicates the administration's tenacious approach to evolving situation. the president recognized that the situation would benefit from having somebody who can dedicate 100% of their time to the issue. to the specific task, coordinating the response. and somebody like the person he chose who has a strong management track record is the right man for the job. >> what would happen if the president were to impose a travel ban? >> that is a hypothetical question. although something that is

discussed a lot quickly. -- publicly. it is an option that will be on the table but not discussed right now. the president says that those seeking to enter this country are going through the proper channels, and when they do so that they will be properly screened. >> do you think lawmakers are playing politics with this issue by calling for a travel ban. >> i would leave this to lawmakers themselves to decide, what is motivating their claims that it travel bags and in the best interest of the american people. the president is taking a careful look at this and was very careful about the conclusion he reached yesterday. >> what does the new czar know about ebola? >> let me restate why the president wanted to add this

person to his team. the president wanted somebody who could serve in a coordinating function. to coordinate the government approach to the ebola situation. to more directly address your question, what we were looking for was not an ebola expert, but an implementation expert. that is exactly what ron is. he has extensive management experience in the private sector. you will recall that when he served here at the white house he was responsible for working in the vice president's office at time of that office was responsible for inventing the recovery act. now, we have talked a lot about the resilience of the us economy in the last few months. the long track record of job growth. the economic growth of the gdb

has been strong in recent months. the results of the recovering act in relation to the economy are obvious. let me finish, because this is important, too bad. becauseontext -- obviously what we are looking for is an implementation expert. with the recovery act that was clear not just in the success of the act, which involved a complex interagency scenario and was performed for the unprecedented transparency. the reporting out quarterly reports to indicate how successful -- what work was being done and how successful it was being done. that was one good example of how his implementation expertise was tilized.

>> what is his tote title? >> ebola response response coordinator. they are referring to him as czar. >> administration back in 2009 that there isn't anybody working for the white house that you would call a czar. >> we do not call him a czar. that is what republicans and some pundits want to call him. we describe him as the ebola response coordinator and well suited to the task. >> going to report to monaco and rice? >> that's correct. >> are they in charge of the ebola response? >> we discussed this. the fact of the matter is, this administration under the direction of the president is

pursuing a whole government approach. that means there are important areas of responsibility. usaid and c.d.c. here in this country, there are important responsibilities that the c.d.c. has for communicating with hospitals across the country. d.h.s. has responsibility for securing the borders. each of those agencies are responsible and responsibility of mr. klain to coordinate those efforts across agencies to make sure we are maximizing this whole government approach. this buck stops with the president of the united states. >> just to get back to my first question, he doesn't have any expertise when it comes to ebola or public health? you are not quarreling with that? critics of this choice -- i want to make sure dr >> his area of expertise is in

implementation. somebody who can coordinate this broad interagency response. we want to make sure this response is up to the standards of the american people and high standards that the president has set and we are confident that someone with mr. klain's management credentials inside and outside of government, he has a strong record of implementing complex government policies. and we are confident he has all of the credentials we could want who can implement these kinds of policies that are critical to the safety and health. >> he starts today? >> he will start very soon. he did not start today, but will be on board very soon. >> will we see him doing briefings? >> ultimately his principal responsibility is going to be a coordination function. that is something that is a

behind the scenes effort but someone who has demonstrated throughout his career a capacity for being a very strong advocate. his implementing function will require behind the scenes work. he will be in a position to be explaining his efforts to all of you. >> on the travel ban, has this administration taken into account as well when they are thinking of everything on the possibility of a travel ban to or not have a ban, have there conversations about sensitivities, if it is a travel ban, what will it do or what message will it send out particularly and send a precedent when there was not a ban? > april,

>> talk to me about the sensitivity. can you tell me if there was any conversation here because it is some viewed as a racial issue particularly when there was not a ban when again using 2003, the our cases. >> april, i think the president is clear in the oval office he is not opposed to a travel ban. we are aware of the consequences. but the most important priority here and the priority that is driving this decision is the safety and health of the american people and not in the

best interest of the safety and health of the american people for travel or visa ban to be put in place. haram uce between boko and nigeria to release the girls after six months. what components of this are you aware of. what have you been told? >> i'm not aware of those reports, but i refer you to my colleagues that may have more information on it. is there a threat to the united states? don't hear a lot of air strikes. >> i don't have an updated intelligence assessment to present from here. i can tell you we continue to be very concerned about threats eminating from syria and threats from the group. and as we continue to carry out

air strikes with our coalition partners in syria, they will be on denying a safe haven from terrorist groups who are attempting to operate in that region of the world. isil gets the most attention because they seem to be with the largest footprint but we continue to be concerned about the capability and the efforts of other extremist groups that . e operating in syria talked up the pre-departure screenings in africa and arrival screening now. but as far as i can tell, the success s zero percent rate. why does that system have so

much confidence and optimism there? >> this is a situation where you might be a glass half empty guy. i still appreciate your point of view. maybe it's part of your job description and part of mine. let me try to answer it. the goal of the screening measures that are in place both in west africa and in the united states is to screen for individuals that are displaying symptoms of ebola. the reason that is important is that ebola can only be transmitted when an individual comes in contact with the bodily fluids of an individual. we want to make sure we are protecting the transportation infrastructure, certainly in this country but across the world and safety and security of the american public. by screening for those symptoms we can protect the american

public from catching ebola. so far, no one with ebola symptoms has entered this country. to date, it's evident to me that we have 100% success rate. but this is the -- this is an ongoing effort that requires significant vigilance and something that as the president described yesterday we take seriously and the efforts are ongoing every day. inaudible]

zero individuals with symptoms of ebola have entered the united states of america. the bottom line is that is the reason we believe this is the right policy. it is a policy that requires significant vigilance and something we are focused on not just a daily basis but an horl basis. some of the policies that d.h.s. is putting in place is to make sure the screening measures apply to travelers this country from that region of the world and what you are seeing is not just that they are having their temperature taken, but contact information is being collected to make sure we can have as tight a net as possible. >> yesterday, you said the

president was going to call the leaders on the hill. and might have discussion about additional funding for the ebola esponse. >> i don't have any additional details, but i will tell you we have not made additional resources that it is necessary. but we will be working with our artners in congress. we will have partners on capitol hill. that capitole said hill will hold off on a travel ban.

>> i'm not in a position to give more details about the conversation. if there was a discussion about the wisdom of the travel ban, i'm confident the president gave a case. >> the president extend the world series bet? >> not that i know of. >> you said we have a management structure in place. that's why you need ron klain? >> the comments that i delivered yesterday in talking about this that we did feel confident and continue to feel about the structure that's in place. we needed to augment our

resources that we wouldn't hesitate to do so. this is in line with the kind of adaptive approach we have pursued so far and the management structure that was in place last night before mr. klain was named is the same management structure we will have. mr. klain will step into the role of devoting 100% of his time to coordinating the interagency efforts of all of the federal departments that are responding to this situation. >> without any criticism to lisa monaco and susan rice, they were being overwhelmed? >> no. th dr. rice and ms. monaco have other important national security priorities for which they are responsible and the president felt like it was important to bring someone on board who could devote 100% of

his time to coordinating and the response. >> you told jim that that what was lisa monaco's job, implementing and coordinating all of those tasks. >> that's correct. >> she's been relieved? >> no. what mr. klain is doing, he will devote 100% of his time to that effort. ms. monaco has national security responsebilities for which she is responsible. to step in and devote 100% of focus , ms. monaco can on the other important national security priorities that she is responsible for. he will report directly to them. they will have areas of responsibility when it comes to our ebola response, but it will be klain who is dedicating all

of his time to coordinating this broad interagency effort. >> let's say there is a situation where the experts have advised ron that a school doesn't need to shut down for a second day. would he be the one to call and say, i'm the person who is coordinating with the president. we don't think you need to go to this level of security? would he be the kind of person to do that? >> it's difficult to engage in hypothetical situations. but against my better judgment, it's friday, i'll give it a shot. this goes to what i tried to onvey.

>> i think the point i'm trying to make and something we have discussed, there are specific agencies that are responsible for their areas of expertise. when we are talking about schools, the department of education is involved and communicating on a whole wide range of things. there might be a role for the department of education to play. whether they are school administrators or business owners, they are relying on medical expertise about how best o protect their employees.

>> the president said at the very tail end, all-out travel ban may not be the best way to go. there are conversations that are less than all-out travel ban that talk about targeted restrictions under certain circumstances in certain geographic areas in order to prevent unnecessary and unwanted exposure. i understand the president is opposed. but in his remarks he did seem to leave open that is less blunt than an all-out travel ban and have targeted restrictions either by gee oggra if i or circumstance. is that a fair interpretation?

>> i know this was an issue that was discussed yesterday because there are some members of congress that are advocating something less than an all-out travel ban but something targeted. what the president was demonstrated was his openness to implementing policies that he believes will do the most to protect the american public. let me make my point, which if it is assessed other aspects of our travel policies that would strengthen the health and security of the american public, then the president won't just consider them but implement them. not that he applied that to a specific approach, he said that was true of an all life out travel ban, if he concluded it would be in the best interest if circumstances changed on the ground, the president wouldn't

hesitate to do that. he is not opposed to an all-out travel ban and the guiding preliminary will be what is the best interest of the american people and their health, welfare and safety. if some sort of targeted approach that relies on time and circumstance would enhance the security of the american public, not only something we would consider but would implement. we have to evaluate and something that is being evaluated. >> this came up at the hearing, that there is a push within the world health community to try to ind vaccine. a pinprick like someone with diabetes where someone tests for ebola and isolating on the ground in the affected countries so you can move them and there

has been a lot of conversations that this is a huge push within the u.n., united states government what the president is having with other world leaders. do you have any information about the effort involved there to deal with the situation? >> one of the ways in which the united states has played a leading role is there is significant scientific expertise. for decades rgs the united states has been involved in responding to ebola outbakes in africa and the united states plays a leading role on doing research on vaccines and treatment protocols for those who contracted ebola. for more details on those scientific developments, i think i would refer you to the n.i.h. y colleagues at h.h.s. may

provide you some information. -- was mr. klain the first choice or with others? >> mr. klain was the first choice because of his strong track record of -- because of strong management credentials in the depoft and private sector. >> will he be a salaried employee of the executive branch? >> i don't know what arrangements have been made but we can get that information for you. >> he will take a salary of some kind? >> i assume so. we release the white house officials. >> would the white house consider the application of the term czar to be negative? >> i think you have to ask --

you get a variety of opinions depending on who you ask. as far as i'm concerned, we all him the ebola response coordinator. >> is it inaccurate to describe him as a czar? >> there is no body who is restraining me with sharing my opinion with you on a variety of opics. >> we call him the ebola response coordinator. >> you can check with him. n this question of travel bans or visas, you indicated it's not something that the president would hesitate to do if he

thought it would be effective than what is currently being pursued. presumably, it is only a matter ememploying asi of this approach. >> the prospect has not been raised. >> if you are keeping an open mind about pursuing it, it seems there has been a determination that it would be lawful for the president. >> i don't know that anyone has raised any suggestion or that it wasn't within the authority of the executive branch to put in place some ban like that to protect the health and safety of the american people. >> you believe he does have this authority? >> i'm not in a position to dispense legal advice to the president or anybody else. you can check where a lawyer on hat issue.

>> 100% of his time to the ebola situation. when did it dawn on president obama that lisa monaco wouldn't

be able to devote 100% of her ime? she is in charge of coordination activities that she carefully monitors and works on here at the white house. she has not been in a position where she has dedicated 100% of her time to the ebola response. she has done using her limited time an outstanding job in ensuring the efforts all across the government are integrated. there will be a benefit to mr. klain and somebody with his set of management credentials devoting 100% of his time. >> what about the ebola situation and when did it develop to the point that he needed someone who could devote.

he was ok with that situation just 48 hours ago and 24 hours ago. when did it dawn on him he needs someone to devote 100% of his time. >> he has spent a lot of time with his team who is responding o this particular situation. >> he has been carefully assessing other responses in place. he believes ms. monaco and susan rice have done an outstanding job -- >> and he decided he needed somebody 100% of the time? >> he believes that person will be an official to the broader effort. >> >> i want to make sure we get around the room. >> what was motivating his choice? >> it was beneficial to his response to have somebody with mr. klain's credentials focus on the task 100% of the time.

> two quick questions. the president has made it clear in the military piece is one prong. the other is the arming and equipping of syrian rebel forces. in the more than one month that has passed since the president gave his address, how is that going? what progress has been made in the equipping of the moderate syrian rebels? >> i refer you to the department of defense. >> following up on the question, prior to the commencement of irstrikes, was there any evidence that the khorasan group ad advanced --

>> on the plotting stage, what i can share with you is the intelligence assessment from other officials, that we believe that the group was nearing the execution phase of a plot against the united states. that is why the president ordered the strikes in syria against them. >> prior to that, had there been any attack with which they were associated and moved the on the planning stage? >> i cannot provide an assessment on that issue. jim? >> obviously, the disease itself, ebola, even carries more fear than perhaps is warranted. part of the problem seems to be a lack of confidence in the american people right now in their response. and part of that seems to be caused by health workers in this country who have dealt with this problem traveling around, including one now on a cruise ship. and the other one who traveled around the country the other day.

is the president as flabbergasted as the rest of us that this is going on with health workers? >> let's talk about a couple of these issues, and i'm glad you raised them. the first is as it relates to the hospital employee on that cruise ship, you saw from the state department in their statement last night this is an individual who had been responsible for handling the laboratory specimens of the patient. an individual who is in that role is facing a much lower risk than some of the health care workers that are being closely monitored in dallas right now. it is important for people to understand that. the second thing is as it relates to the travel of these two individuals, that travel commenced prior to the first health care worker being tested ositive.

once that worker tested positive, the assessment of risk changed and the monitoring regime for all of the health care workers that came into contact with the patient or his laboratory specimens changed. essentially, those monitoring regimens changed after those individuals had travel. dr. frieden addressed whether the second health care worker should have returned from ohio on a commercial aircraft. he said that should not have happened, and that was the result of an error that occurred at the centers for disease control. but ultimately, even given all those circumstances, the thing our medical experts tell us is even those individuals who were on the plane with a second health worker, the risk they face is low, but the cdc

believes it is prudent for those individuals to be in contact with the cdc. i believe they have been in touch with the vast majority if not all the passengers and will be working with them to ensure they understand accurately the risks they face and they are getting that kind of support they need in terms of answering questions. >> i understand, but fear is a ajor factor. when health care workers themselves are not overly careful, in effect you have a situation now where this health-care worker on the cruise ship cannot even get back to this country because the other country will not let the ship go to port, isn't it time for somebody in the administration to stand up and say publicly to health care workers, stay put, do not travel around, do not frighten the american