businessman charlie baker running to fill the seat of retiring democratic donor deval patrick. the race is a tossup. and we will bring it to you tonight at 7:00 eastern here on c-span. be part of c-span's campaign 2014 coverage. follow us on twitter and like us on facebook to get debate schedules him a video clips and debate previews from our politics team. c-span is bringing you over 100 senate, house, and governor debates and you can instantly share your reactions to what the candidates are saying. the battle for control of congress -- stay in touch and engaged by following us on twitter and like us on facebook. some news on the campaign trail in wisconsin -- the milwaukee wisconsin journal sentinel reports former president bill clinton will be campaigning in milwaukee on

friday for the democratic candidate in the race, mary burke. president clinton caret wisconsin of both as a show when someone try to help boost your candidacy as she runs in a tight race against governor scott walker who has won two statewide elections. the candidates and the wisconsin governor's race held their second and final debate last week. tossup and we will show some of the as that voters are seeing in the race and the one hour to base after that. >> mary burke lied about her jobs plan. turns out it was plagiarized. now she is at it again, attacking the scott walker's record on jobs. attacks that "the milwaukee journal sentinel" says are false. she is twisting the numbers and it's not the first time. the truth -- in the last year, wisconsin ranked third in jobs growth. wisconsin gave 100,000 jobs under scott walker. -- again 100 jobs under scott walker. we cannot trust mary burke. >> he made a pledge.

250,000 new jobs. by the end of our first term in office. >> and asked us to hold him up to it. today, wisconsin is dead last in midwestern job growth, temp out of 10. -- 10th out of 10. >> wisconsin lags behind most of the country for job growth. >> and those 250,000 jobs? not even close. broken promises, that lasting jobs. -- dead last in jobs. scott walker is not working for you. >> it has been called the light of the year. -- the lie of the year. >> if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. >> and mary burke supports it. >> does not mean that the government with that he would start her to go to or which plans to have. >> while millions of also doctors and their plans, mary burke says that she supports obamacare unequivocally and wants to expand it. wisconsin cannot afford medicines liberal married brooke --madison liberal mary. -- madison liberal mary burke.

>> know what a good idea? ronald reagan rooted the expanded the earned income tax credit. you know who had a bad idea? scott walker. raising taxes on working families is not just that economics, it is wrong. mary burke, governor. year, there are two gubernatorial debates. last weeks debate and tonight's debate in milwaukee. this evening's debate will engage >> the wisconsin broadcasters association is hosting two statewide gubernatorial debates. this evening's debate will engage the two leading candidates for wisconsin governor, republican candidate governor scott walker and democratic candidate mary burke. the debate is made possible in part by generous grant from the wisconsin association of

independent colleges and universities and the aarp of wisconsin. i would like to introduce the moderator for the night, a veteran reporter from the milwaukee public radio, aaron toner. >> here is tonight's format. each candidate will have two minutes for an opening statement, determined by a coin flip. the format requires each question be directed at both candidates and not one or the other. each candidate will have one minute, 30 seconds to respond, followed by rebuttals. we will alternate the order. so which candidate has a chance for first and last words. candidate ms. burke and candidate walker, preach -- please provide answers to the panelists' questions and stay

on topic. if you give us the specific answers, i may call on the panelists to restate the question and give each of you 30 seconds for a focused reply. please adhere to the time limits you have agreed to. if you exceed your limit, i will remind you that your time is up. should you persist, your microphone will be silenced. we will conclude the debate with three-minute closing statements. finally, we will be addressing the candidates as governor walker and ms. burke. let's begin with two-minute opening statements. ms. burke, your first. >> thank you to the broadcasters association, governor walker, all of you at home watching tonight, and my family, my mother and relatives who are here with me tonight. the election is about wisconsin's future. not only can we do better, but we must do better, so that everybody has a fair shot to get ahead if they do the hard work.

governor walker sees it a little differently. he says, and i quote, "we do not have a jobs problem." the average family who are seen income drop $3000 over the last four years, that is a jobs problem. it is not fair and that is not good for the economy. people are working harder and harder and they are seeing less for it. instead of building up the middle class, governor walker has aimed to tax breaks to those at the top. it is not working. wisconsin is dead last in the midwest in terms of job growth under his watch. that is the jobs problem. i want to make sure that every wisconsin family has a fair shot to get ahead if they are prepared to do the hard work. a fair shot means first and foremost great, affordable, public education, starting in kindergarten all the way through college. i will invest in schools and

make college more affordable. a fair shot also means a growing economy with growing small businesses, raising the minimum wage, increasing good paying jobs. a fair shot means reducing the tax burden to those who are being squeezed. and a fair shot means a government that is accountable, responsible, and working for the people of wisconsin, not special interests. and finally, it means an end to divisiveness. we are all on the same team and we are proud wisconsinites first and foremost, not republicans or democrats. i look forward to sharing my plan with you that gives every wisconsinites a bright future. >> good evening. thank you to the wba for sponsoring the event and particular thanks to my wife and two sons, matt and alex. thank you at home for tuning in to what i hope will be an honest and open debate.

i have great news. more than 8400 new jobs were created last month. that is the best september with had for private sector job creation in more than a decade. on top of that, unemployment is down to 5%, the lowest since october of 2008. wisconsin ranks fifth in the nation for new manufacturing jobs. that is why we have invested $100 million to worker training to help people get the skills that they needed for the good paying jobs available right now. the most recent fiscal year ended with a cash balance of $517 million. the next budget will begin with a surplus. that means that we can invest in priorities. economic development, quality schools, technical colleges. helping needy families. helping people who are victims of domestic violence, like my

friend who is here today and has been such an inspirational advocate. overall, wisconsin is better off than it was four years ago, and we have a plan to make it better. i invite people to go to scott walker.com to look at my plan. i will share details tonight. working together, we can continue to move wisconsin forward, and that is why i ask for your vote. >> thank you, governor walker. the first question tonight is from charles benson, a political reporter. >> let's talk about budget numbers. this week, the nonpartisan number crunchers told us that wisconsin has a $517 million surplus. at the same time, we are hearing that the state faces a $1.8 billion projected shortfall in the next budget. voters are asking how can both

be true? my first question, you agree that there is a surplus, and what is the priority for that money? secondly, do you agree that there is a projected deficit for the next budget, and what we do specifically about it? -- would you do specifically about it? >> it is important that the people of wisconsin understand the financial position of our state. i have been a business person my entire career, balanced a bunch of budgets, and the numbers can be confusing. the fact is that the $517 million refers to a cash balance. if you have a bunch of bills that have not come do yet, it may look like you have a lot of money, but you have to pay them. we have a lot of deferred bills. there are uw colleges and

universities that are putting building projects on hold in order to inflate this number to make it look better then it is. governor walker has spent money that we do not have. this year, we are projected to spend a $400 million more than we take in. where way that i would approach this, and the projected deficit, is that we have to make tough decisions. we have to get the economy going so we have revenues coming in. we have to make sure that we prioritize our spending based on economic development and getting the economy going. because that is what is going to make sure that wisconsin is in the strongest position financially, when we get the economy up and running. >> governor walker. >> there is no disputing the fact, the facts are clear. wisconsin just finished its last

fiscal year, june 30 of 2014, with a $570 million surplus. -- 517 million dollars surplus. the 120 billion figure comes from an assumption of zero growth. $1.8 billion figure. that comes from an assumption based on zero growth on that doesn't happen. that's not a factor. if you combine that with the fact, just making some reasonable adjustments to be budget, as we have over the past year, i will put us in a place where we have a surplus. the priorities will be the ones we just talked about. i will ask my moderator for a second, that clock just changed twice. is that the way it is supposed to be going? i thought we had a minute and 30 seconds, but it switched. >> you do have a minute and 30 seconds, so we will check the situation.

>> i apologize to be viewers, but it was a little odd for both of us. >> we are going to check it. now, your 30 second rebuttal? let's make sure we have 30 seconds on the clock. go ahead. i think we are set. >> the fact remains that we have a $1.8 billion projected deficit. this is a difference of $2 billion from the last budget, because of the fiscally irresponsible decisions that governor walker made, and because the revenues are lagging because the economy is lagging. this is going to be a tough budget. as governor, i am prepared to take on the tough decisions for the next. -- next budget. >> we inherited a deficit and we turned it into a surplus.

we did it the old-fashioned way, paying off the money that we owed. the paid back the money taken from the patient compensation fund. we even paid money back to minnesota. the rainy day fund is bigger than when we took office. our pension is one of the only fully funded ones in the country. we are putting a focus on fiscal responsibility, and we will have a surplus in the next day budget. 535 million dollars surplus in the next budget -- state budget, based upon the reasonable projections that were laid out. >> next question is from kent. >> the debate is taking place in downtown milwaukee. you have both talking about the importance to all of wisconsin of having a thriving economy in the city. but unemployment in inner-city milwaukee, particularly among african-american men, remains exceptionally high. some put that number at 50% or higher. voters tell us that if there are

jobs, they are not here, and they are desperate for change sooner. can you give us some specific examples of what you can and will do to tackle the and -- unemployment problem in the short term in the heart of the state's largest city. >> this is a real problem. i noticed that when i was the milwaukee county executive, and tried to act on it as governor. in april of 2012, we announced a program. we projected $200 million from the state to try and invest in new developments, new projects, things that would put people to work. not just with jobs, but with family supporting jobs. we have added to that. the transform milwaukee program for jobs, it is part of the transitional program elsewhere in the state, and we will build on that.

i have asked people to head up a task force on minority unemployment to tackle that very issue. they have made a series of recommendations. that is why we have made academic plans. in the short term, we need capital investment in milwaukee. we did that by putting it, and the heart of the city, our new children and family headquarters. we are going to continue to build off of that and not just talk about it. put our money where our mouth is. >> this is a real issue, because wisconsin cannot have a thriving economy without a milwaukee economy that is thriving as well. the milwaukee economy has not come back as well.

that has not happened. under walker, it would be six more years before milwaukee county would get to prerecession unemployment levels. -- employment levels. that is not good enough, and governor walker has had four years, and forming a task force now is not good enough. what i would do, with my experience as an entrepreneur, is a new concept used in cleveland called anchor institutions. use anchor institutions like hospitals, health care, educational institutions to start new businesses, help them to grow the businesses, and give contracts. we also need to invest in the local communities, in neighborhoods where we have

boarded up store fronts. give the people the business skills that they need to start their own businesses there. hire people locally, keep the profits locally, and gain those small business skills, that's how we can immediately start to create jobs in the central city. >> that $100 million i talked about is more than just talk, we invested it. we invested another $100 million on top of that on top of that, we put money into the african-american chamber of commerce. we did the same thing with the hispanic chamber of commerce. but let's be clear. my opponent referenced governor doyle, and that led to the losing of jobs. we have had to clean up that mess and will continue to do so going forward. >> getting back to the central city, in milwaukee, the most important thing that we have to do is focus on not only the jobs themselves, but our job skills and education.

i look forward to taking on the tough issues on education in milwaukee, because that is what is going to drive economic development and jobs in the long-term. we have to make sure that people have the skills and the training and a career plan when they leave high school as to how they are going to make sure they get that, along with affordable access to higher education. >> the next question is from cbs 58 reporter mike. >> both of you have said that you need more information from an economic impact study before taking a position on a high-stakes casino proposal. what are you going to need to see in the study that would convince you to say yes or no? and furthermore, what does your gut say? what does your moral or philosophical core say about expanded gaming? >> i look forward to taking on this issue because it is very important to the people of

kenosha and also in milwaukee. governor walker has had 14 months to do this, and before this was ever even approved by the federal government, he laid out three criteria that he said he would use to make a decision. he has now flip-flopped, and he is not even using those criteria. in addition, not one of those criteria had to do with job creation and economic development, which is the most important issue we face here. i would make sure that we have an impartial study that looks at the impact of the casino both on milwaukee and kenosha. we are in competition with other states like iowa and illinois, not only for gaming, before entertainment. -- but for entertainment. if it creates a significant number of new jobs and adds to the employment and tax base, i would approve the casino. but we do need to have the impartial study done, and as

soon as that is done, i will make the decision. i would not kick the can down the road. >> i love kenosha. i go there often. as the mayor knows, i spend a lot of time down there, and i am pleased to see how many jobs we have helped to create, many have come from northern illinois, across the border. whether it is manufacturing or amazon in the town of summer. the "milwaukee business journal" put out a story talking about 4000 new jobs in the kenosha area. but the biggest thing holding us up right now is really two words, jim doyle. jim doyle put in compacts a decade ago that specific we said that if a casino is put up and kenosha, -- in kenosha, they could hold out on $100 million or more.

they have talked about withholding part of those payments to date. to me, a $100 million hole in the budget is significant. if we did not have that factor out there, it would be a different discussion. we will take the full amount of time that we need to to make sure we can get to a point where we can create those jobs. create the jobs there and create jobs in other parts of the state without creating a $100 million hole in the state budget. >> there is no doubt that it is not an easy situation, but that is where you have to be a tough negotiator. make sure that you have the best interest of the state as a whole in mind. understand how you can bring together the parties to do something good for the state. i think we have that opportunity here. but we have to make sure we get people to the table. that is what i have done through my entire career, is billed -- built those kinds of public/private partnerships to

make sure that we end up on the right side of this. >> this is one of those were my opponent, and supporters of her, criticize us when they ignore the fact of the federal government took nine years. both the obama and bush administrations dragged this out because they needed the time to make a decision. we're going to take the time to make sure that we do not put a hole in the state budget. we started negotiating, and are going to continue that, but we are going to put the stewardship of taxpayer money first. >> i see that you would like to press for specifics. would you reset your question? -- restate your question? >> you said a significant number of jobs. is there a set number -- 1000, 2000, or a revenue number -- that you would need to see in the report? >> it would need to be in excess of 500 jobs, but in we need to look at not only the direct jobs, but also the multiplier effect from additional people spending that money in the

community. i would look at both the direct and indirect jobs. >> for me, a win-win is we make sure that we add jobs and -- in kenosha and do not subtract from other parts of the state. >> our next question from a fox news anchor. >> sadly, it is not being used in the fall due to a collapse by the brewers, but miller park is here. it would not be here without the public support and persistence of then governor tommy. tommy thompson. it is likely that whoever wins will have to deal with an issue with the bucs, who could be seattle bound. would you allocate public funding to create a new arena,

or would you pledge to block the use of any state tax dollars needed to build the project? governor, i believe it is your turn to inbound the ball. >> good metaphor. i have two sons who love to go and see bucs games. i have said in the past, and i will repeat tonight, i do not support the sales tax for this project. what i do think we should look at is what is the actual value -- not the theoretical value, but what the milwaukee bucks as a team bringing into the state of wisconsin in terms of revenue to the state that we would otherwise lose. i think you are right, the mba has said that if by 2017 they are not up and going here, they are going somewhere else. we do not want that. part of our goal is to assess --

we have been working on that over the past few months -- assess the actual amount that the milwaukee bucs and their players -- because the players and the visiting players are taxed on a prorated basis when they play a game -- what is the actual dollar amount, and what would we lose. that is a legitimate basis on which to begin a discussion. >> your response? >> i grew up in heartland, not too far away, and i certainly remember watching the bucs when they won the championship in 1971. i know the glory that we can see in a community from having a thriving nba franchise. as i mentioned previously, what we have seen right now is that milwaukee county has not come back from the recession. six more years before we get to prerecession employment. we have to look at what investments are needed to have a thriving milwaukee economy. that represents a lot, not only

directly to milwaukee but to other communities around it and certainly to the state. i know from my experience that sometimes you need to make investments in order to grow. the public option should be on the table but it should be the last one, and we have to protect the taxpayers here. but we have to understand the impact it has on the community, not only the direct impact but the indirect impact on milwaukee. we have to make sure that we are thriving and keeping young people in the community, and things like sports teams play a role in that. i want to look at that from a business perspective. what is the impact overall of that team on the community, how can we bring people together in public/private partnership to make that happen while protecting the taxpayer. >> i love milwaukee. my sons were born at st. joseph here. i love this community and i love the state.

i want to make sure that my sons and others like them want to stay here. part of that is quality of life, which is not just the bucks, but all the great assets we have across the state. i want to make sure that we do that responsibly and the tax-and-spend policies in place before i came into office are largely responsible for jobs we lost in the past. i do not want to repeat those. >> this is an important decision for milwaukee. i applaud the owners and community leaders that are putting resources into this. as governor, i want to look at how we make this happen. again, we need to protect the taxpayers, but a lot is on the line here, and i am going to take a position to make this happen. >> back to charles benson. >> we have seen a huge tv battle

over these ads saying who would do a better job creating jobs, throwing numbers out. "the milwaukee journal sentinel" analyzed the numbers and found that wisconsin lagged the nation for growth for the past 10 years, including governor walker's years and ms. burke's years in commerce. why shouldn't taxpayers expect better results? give me some plays that will allow the state to outperform the country. ms. burke, you go first. >> it is why i am running for governor, because we are not doing the things to make sure we are doing the things to make sure wisconsin has a growing thriving economy. it is going to take a lot more than is being done right now. that is why i laid out in my invest for success jobs plan five core strategies on how to

make this work. these are five strategies that are unique to wisconsin, ones that i think will work here. they are the best ideas that i gathered from across the country. two of them -- i could go on for a lot more than a minute thirty on this, but it is about work force development. training, college affordability. it's about small businesses being able to grow. and right now we are 46th in the country in terms of new businesses started. it is new business and small businesses growth that creates 76% of the jobs created. we have to make more capital accessible to small businesses. we have to make sure that we can attract and keep going people in the work force, that they stay in our communities, that we have a strong public education system, whether it is kindergarten or all the way through university. we have to bring down the cost of college. 70% of the jobs created in the

future require education and training past high school. so i lay out these strategies. it is going to take a lot more and right now we do not have a plan or a vision on how we can make sure wisconsin is actually leading the midwest instead of lagging. >> we have an exciting plan and we are building off of it. part of my opponents plans and dozens of ideas are based on the things we are doing. the investment we made in the global water center to help clean water technology. the energy innovation center over in chippewau valley. we have invested in those clusters. we also need to build on our bread and butter, manufacturing and agriculture. we put in place new incentives that is going to accelerate the growth in those areas in the coming years. it is not your parents manufacturing anymore. it is a new wave. in agriculture we have seen a 17% increase in the first six

months of this year alone in ag-based exports. it is strengthening those areas, food and water, beverage, science, bio-tech, things we have invested in that are eye -- evolving. our plan is called wisconsin comeback. it is about investing in education, and particularly in higher education, but with targeted investments. we just put $28 million more in this summer into buying down the waiting list to help people getting into manufacturing, i.t. other emerging industries in the state. we want to grow off that. >> ms. burke, rebuttal? >> the sentinel reviewed governor walker's jobs plan and said it is more of the same. it is not going to move the needle. we have to be a lot more aggressive about the investment that we have. what i have seen from governor walker is he somehow believes he gives tax breaks to those at the

top, and it somehow creates jobs. i am a business person. i know how jobs get created, and it means you have to have that small businesses growth. you have to have work force training. you have to have a real plan, and it has to be aggressive. >> governor walker? >> 8,400 new jobs were created last month. that is the best september in more than a decade. unemployment is down to a.5%. -- 5.5%. and i think the voters should look. compare apples to apples. the only time in the last 25 years the state unemployment record was worse is when my opponent was the head of commerce in wisconsin. wisconsin ranked 42nd in the country for job creation. that is not the recipe going forward. >> i would like to ask each of you about your reaction to a jobs-related issue that you have faced in your campaign. there is a saying in politics the book stops here.

but governor walker when asked this week about your failure to reach your stated goal of 250,000 new jobs during this term, you blamed that on uncertainty among employers due to the capital protests and recalls. ms. burke, you blamed this week the controversy surrounding the multiple copied packages of your jobs plan on a consultant saying he shouldn't have used the same words. so, how much responsibility or blame do you personally accept for those situations having occurred, and should the voters hold you accountable? governor, we begin with you? >> before we took office, wisconsin lost 133,000 jobs because of policies of jim doyle. back then as i was traveling the state, i met people like sandy who had taken a pay cut and ultimately lost her job or someone like michael, who had been a press operator for 20 years, only to see his job eliminated during the down sizing. those are real people across the

state. i set a big goal of 250,000 jobs to make up for the jobs lost and aim big for the future. i believe in the state. while we are not there yet, we have come a long way. over 100,000 new jobs in the 3 1/2 years we have been in office. there is plenty more work to be done. as voters look at it they are not going to blame us. we want to have big goals. look at the contrast between the two of us. in the last three years we have created nearly twice as many jobs as were created during the three years that my opponent was in charge of the department of commerce under governor doyle. at that time we were 42nd in the country for job creation. we have just come off a september with the best september for private sector job creation we have had in more than a decade. i think that is a good sign for the future. >> well, with the number of

times that governor walker has mentioned jim doyle, he would rather be running against him than me. i am a business executive, and that is the experience that i bring to this. as secretary of the department of commerce i would like to clarify because the unemployment raid was 4.8%, and we had 50,000 more jobs than we have currently. governor walker is cherry picking a lot of numbers, but the fact is that we are not keep ing up with the rest of the country in terms of job creation. 10 american states, and we are 10th when you take the entirety of the term he has nunn in office. now i know we can do a let better, but we do need leadership, and we need a real plan, a solid plan. that is my jobs plan. i have been straight from the start about seeing these were the best ideas that we need to make sure that wisconsin has a thriving, growing economy. i sat down with a number of people, from michael porter, who is the global guru on clusters, to other folks who are experts

in those fields, and the consultant that i used, i cut ties with when i realized he had used similar ideas in other economic development plans. but great economic development plans are about great ideas, and actually the more they are used elsewhere and tested and proven successful, that is what is it going to make sure that we are able to move wisconsin's economy forward. so as governor, the buck will stop with me, and in my jobs plan i lay out the metrics on how people can measure me on the jobs that we are doing. >> governor walker, rebuttal. >> this is one of the things that people hate about politics, when somebody says one thing and does something different. when she worked governor doyle, she said i support governor doyle's policy entirely. she said this is a body of work based on her time at harvard. then we found out somebody else did that plan.

i am all for taking good ideas. that is the difference out there with leadership. >> ms. burke? >> well, governor walker is trying to distract from his own jobs failure and failure of achieving the promise he created. my jobs plan is based on my experience. but to run hundreds of attack ads against me and to try to question my integrity is just trying to distract from that failure on jobs. that is something that is not accurate and it is something that doesn't reflect wisconsin's future and the plans for how we are going to move forward. >> let's go to the next question from mike. >> this d.m.v. report shows 185 people died, 2,600 others were injured in drunk driving related crashes in wisconsin alone. wisconsin is the only state in the nation where a first drunk driving offense is a ticket and not a crime.

the two candidates for wisconsin attorney general do not support criminalizing first offense drunken driving. do you? and if not, what are your specific ideas to deal with this serious problem here? ms. burke? >> yes, actually i am on record as saying that i think it should be a misdemeanor. right now there are not enough consequences for the first offense. we have to make sure there are consequences. not only is it 185 deaths, 5,000 crashes alcohol related. this is costing our society a lot of money, along with the type of personal injury it causes. we have to take a tougher stance. i have been endorsed by the wisconsin professional police association, and i will work with law enforcement to make sure that we have in place what we need to cut down on the number of fatalities, to cut down on the number of crashes. also work to make sure that this doesn't over burden our justice

system by having alternative methods to be able to address this. we also have to make sure that people who have addiction problems are able to get the treatment. right now we don't have tough enough consequences that are going to make a difference in addressing this. we haven't moved the needle enough, and it is time for wisconsin to join the rest of the country and realize that this is something that is important to ensuring safety on our roads. >> governor walker? >> this is one of those tragic issues out there. i remember years ago when i was first elected as a state representative, one of the most heartwrenching cases we had to talk about was a family who lost a son because of someone who had been a multiple repeat offender. more so now, the problems now is the people who have been out on the road multiple times committing drunk driving. that is something we have to crack down on. i agree with the attorney

general candidates that first-time offenders, criminalizing that is not the answer. it is going after repeat offenders. i think this is one of those issues that republicans and democrats can come together and work on. i am going to work with law enforcement and the community. i have the endorsement of the men and women here at the police department here in milwaukee, the police social security and the wisconsin troopers association. people on the roads have to understand we have to crack down on people who are repeating this criminal activity over and over again. >> ms. burke? >> well, governor walker has had four years in order to address this, and the fact is that you would avoid a lot of the repeat offenders if you had tougher consequences on that first offense. people need to know right from the start before they get into those habits of drinking and driving that there are real consequences that come from that. >> governor? >> again, it is one of those --

i was just at our annual governors' conference on traffic safety. i am pleased that with the good work of law enforcement, first responders and the department of transportation and others, we have actually seen traffic accidents go down and some of the safety factors improve over the last year or so. we want to continue to build off of that. and again, the way to do that is to crack down in this case on repeat offenses. show the consequences are serious, but particularly for those who continue to go back on the road even after they have been pulled over. >> for the next question, we go to ted perry. >> i noticed last week you people like to tell stories about people you have met. let me tell you a story about a family i met last summer and spent a remarkable evening. they own a small businesses. raise four great kids. church going people and own their own home. the home they own not far from here. it happens to be in one of milwaukee's most violent

neighborhoods. so dangerous on a beautiful summer night they can't even sit on their own front porch out of fear of ricochet or gunfire, something we heard three times during our visit. at no time is their teenage daughter allowed to go to the store two blocks away. they are virtual prisoners in their own home. give me specifics, two or three reasons why that family will be saver and central city violence will be addressed when you are elected governor. governor walker, it is your turn. >> thank you. living a few blocks away from milwaukee in, my home, and having my kids raised here and born in milwaukee, that is an issue i have seen all too often on each of your programs in the past. i think one of the most important things we have done this past year was work together with the city of milwaukee, the county and the state of wisconsin, coming together, republicans and democrats to support funding for the shot spotter program.

we would like to expand that in the future. it is a good pilot, but where with remarkable accuracy can find out where the shots are fired but get police resources to tackle those. we looked at it with the chief. many times we found in the initial projects when they went out and looked at this to begin with, many of the individual instances where a shot was fired, very few times did people actually call it in. we have to find a way to respond toe that, to provide the kind of security and safety that families like that need here and across the state, particularly milwaukee. we are committed to expanding that program in the future. >> ms. burke? >> it is a very serious issue and to think that right here in one of our cities that families cannot be outside and feel safe means we need to make changes. unfortunately, some of the things that governor walker has done has made it more difficult

for law enforcement to do that. he cut shared revenue to minutes -- municipalities which really , strained their budgets in terms of providing police and fire and local services. in fact, according to the latest fbi reports, we have steen an increase in violent crimes to second in the midwest. out of 10 american states, the second largest increase in violent crimes. so we are not doing enough. we have to make sure we provide adequate funding to our communities to be able toe fight this. when governor walker mentions the shot spotter, this is something he would not include in his budget. he turned down the request by milwaukee to have that, and it was only after a lot of pressure was put on that they restored it to funding. enough is not being done. i would work with law enforcement to identify other ways that they can be successful. we have to work with community groups and encourage the police to work with community groups so

that it has a grassroots effort, and we have to improve the job situation in the central city. we know when you increase employment and jobs, crime goes down. so this cannot be just about law enforcement. it has to be about engagement in communities and economic development. >> governor walker? >> again, here are the facts. the facts are because of our reforms, milwaukee in the first year alone saved roughly $25 million. in the most recent budget that mayor barrett put out, they not only saved money, they have enough money to add to the police department, raises to public employees in the city of milwaukee. they have been able to deploy more resources to law enforcement that will help families like the once you mentioned. >> we just have a lot of work to do, and we have to realize this takes a concerted effort. it is not easy work. it is going to be difficult work. but it means bringing people together. it is the type of public/private partnership i created around education, in closing the

achievement gap in madison. we have 1000 teens in the program. that was the schools, the boys and girls clubs, businesses and universities. that is how we are going to address these issues, when you bring people together and take them on. >> thank on. we have about three minutes left to go before we transition to closing goes. we have one more final question. we have to shorten our responses to this one to a minute with no rebuttal. >> i call an audible. ted. >> i think we had time for a short fun question, and so we are going to let you end on that. you are forbidden from campaigning for one day. doctor's orders. a beautiful fall day, you are told to get out on two wheels. ms. burke, i imagine you get out on a trek. governor on your harley davidson . where are you going and who are

you bringing there? and why are you going there? >> one of my favorite routes is 108 from west solemn up to black river falls. that on the cut, over to scenic highway 135 and down to the mississippi river. i would take a bunch of the same buddies i ride harleys and hunt with. >> i would head towards heartland where my mom and two sisters live. we like to spend time together as a family, and we do quite a bit of cycling together as well, which is not a surprise. that is a great area, holy hill area, one of the most beautiful areas of the state, and spending time with family. it goes from my nephew alex, to my mom, and she probably doesn't want me to share her age. but that is what i would do. >> thank you panelists for the question. now it is time for three-minute

closing statements from each candidate. because of the coin flip, governor walker, you are first. >> my first job as a kid was working as a dish washer at the countryside restaurant. it is amazing to me to think about the son of a small town minister and the son of a part time secretary growing up to be the leader of this great state. for that honor i want to begin by thanking you the voters. i want to thank our moderator and panelists and my opponent and to all of you for tuning in. before i took over, wisconsin had lost 133,000 jobs. in fact, 133,000 wisconsin workers were out of a job. back in 2010 at the peak, the unemployment rate in this state was 9.2%. and in my predecessor's previous temperature, taxes were up, tuition were up, and we had a $3.6 billion budget deficit handed to us. things are better now.

as repeated throughout evening, we now have a september where we saw the creation of 8,400 new private sector jobs in the state. that is best september in a deck -- in more than a decade. our unemployment rate is down to the lowest rate since october of 2008. we are in a position now where wisconsin ranks fifth in the nation for new manufacturing jobs. because of that, we are able to invest more than $100 million into worker training so people can get the skills for good paying jobs. we took a $2.6 million budget deficit and turned it into a surplus. we paid our bills off. we took the surplus and invested it into tax cuts that are so effective that a typical family will see an extra $322. we froze tuition for the first time at all of our uw campuses

for two years in a row. we want to put more money into helping cancer patients. we put more money into mental health services than any governor in a quarter-century. we created a new program to help people with disabilities find meaningful employment within communities. looking ahead, we have a plan to make the next four years even better, to build off the successes and make it even better four years from now. i invite you to go to scott walker.com and look at the details. it is a plan to make sure that everyone that wants a job can find a job, help you keep more of your paycheck, learn more to earn more, and move from government dependence to work. growing up as a kid, i do not remember anyone and my class who said, hey scott, someday, when i grow up, i want to be dependent on my government. true freedom and prosperity does

not come from the government. it comes from empowering people. that is the american dream. i want to help everybody live their piece of the american dream, and that is why i ask for your vote. >> i know wisconsin can do better. i know that by ensuring that everyone has a fair shot, we will do better governor walker has had four years, and his approach, the push those at the top ahead of you, just is not working. we are dead last in the midwest in terms of job creation. and it is not getting any better. 2014 is on track to be the worst year in job creation of the last five years. tax cuts for millionaires and special interest is not create jobs. growing the middle class does. if our economy had just kept pace with the rest of the country over the last three years, our economy would be $4 billion a year bigger.

that is $4 billion that gets spent in local communities and businesses. it is a tax base to fund infrastructure while reducing taxes. think about what that means to you. a better neighborhood school for your children. college that is more affordable. greater economic security in your retirement. the failure of the last four years is far too real for far too many. the average was down some family has seen their real income declined by $3000. my approach is different. i will put politics aside and focus on what works. i do not care if an idea is a democrat or republican idea, just that it gets results. along with ensuring a fair shot for everyone, i want to change the tone. governor walker's approach, in his own words, has been to divide and conquer. that is not the wisconsin way. we have to remember that we are all on the same team, and it

should not matter whether democrat or republican, we have to put politics aside and just get the job done. with the direction that i have laid out, i know that, based on my experience with business, we can do this. we can be a top 10 driving -- thriving economy, the leader in the midwest. my career has been seeing the possibilities, taking on challenges. whether it is from leading european operations, expanding the boys and girls club, serving as secretary in the department of commerce, or creating an educational initiative that has opened doors for nearly 1000 teens, i see the possibilities in the work that we can do in wisconsin to move wisconsin forward. i cannot wait to get to work as your governor. we have everything that we need to be a growing, thriving, innovative state that is a leader across the country. i ask for your vote on november fourth, and to join me in

building a wisconsin that works for everyone. thank you. >> that wraps up the second of two debates. to the candidates our panelists, and viewers. thank you and good night. >> that concludes the debate between the wisconsin gubernatorial candidates, democrat mary burke and republican scott walker. broadcasters work together to produce this debate in order to ensure that every citizen of wisconsin has an opportunity to hear and see the two leading candidates for governor. the debate has been sponsored by the wba foundation, and aarp of wisconsin. we would like to thank the candidates for their

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oregon faced a crisis to get our state back on track. improved access to health care for hundreds of thousands all while balancing the books. we are not done yet. we can create an economy that works for all of us to fulfill the promise of oregon for everyone. >> the same spirit the trophy pioneers drives dennis richardson today. his mother taught him to serve others . dennis richardson carried fallen soldiers off the battlefield and returned home to start a family and becoming bipartisan leader in the oregon state house. oregon's road to a better leader begins with a leader with a better vision. >> i am a gun owner.

the majority of gun owners want background checks in place. we need to keep the guns out of the hands of people that should not have them in the first place. are supporting john caps on for governor. >> >> oregonians have a choice

this november. should democratic john kitzhaber get four more years leading the state? or is it time for a change with republican dennis richardson? both candidates have long political records and are trying to position themselves as leaders who can grow the economy. kitzhaber was an emergency room doctor before entering politics and campaigns on his leadership with health care policy. >> i think we have done a good job together over the last three years but oregon will not be a good place for us to live on less it is a good place for all of us to live. >> if kitzhaber is elected, he would be the only person in oregon history to serve for terms as governor. richardson wants to make sure that does not happen. he is well-known in salem and has worked to build his image. >> i'm concerned about our state in its future. i'm concerned about the ability to work and the ability to have a job and to have a restore our legacy given to us by our pioneer forbearers.

>> you will hear from richardson and kitzhaber as they are pressed on their positions by a panel of journalists from kgw and "the oregonian." this is decision 2014. a debate for oregon's governor. >> welcome to decision 14. the oregonian and kgw are welcoming the two candidates. we plan on covering a large range of topics that we have to address the revelations of the past week. we want to focus on the role that clyvia hayes plays in the office and if that represents a conflict of interest.

>> when did you first learn about cylvia hayes' plan to grow pot in 1997? what would you say about the people you have chosen as advisors? >> i have received a lot of new information over the last weeks. some of it is hard to assimilate. 13 years ago, before i knew her and she knew me, she was involved in illegal activities. i don't condone a. i wish it has not happened, but it did. she has assumed responsibility and is willing to face the consequences. the fallout of those set of activities and how we deal with that fallout is a personal matter between cylvia and myself. >> have you decided if you will keep cylvia hayes on as an advisor in your office, and what

do you say about her role to benefit her private business? >> i do not believe there was a conflict of interest and i believe we have met the letter and spirit of oregon ethics laws. i am concerned about the perception which is why i asked my office to turn over to the ethics commission all the relevant contracts, of which there are only three, and the accompanying conflict of interest forms and ask the ethics commission to review our processes and procedures and make sure we are within the bounds of our ethics laws. >> representative richardson, which you like to weigh in? >> i think it is interesting. we should not be focusing on what happened 17 years ago because that is between cylvia hayes and law enforcement. it is a character issue and it plays into what is happening presently. we have a governor who had a letter from his chief of staff and chief legal advisor, and it

did not seem to fit with what cylvia hayes wanted so it was rewritten. my question is, governor, did you know that the ethics advice you are given is that she was violating her ethical responsibilities by using staff and using her title and was it your direction that actually told your staff to change the ethical opinion so it would allow her to continue to do those things? >> would you like to respond? >> as i said, when we, when she came into office, we have the obvious issue of the first lady and we set up procedures and processes. it was multilayered. we worked very hard and diligently to make sure her activities fell within the spirit and the intent and the letter of oregon ethics laws. i believe that they did and do. >> i will ask on behalf of the voters, looking forward, i think

there are people who would like to know what role you see her playing if you are reelected. she had mentioned she would maybe like a bigger role as one of your advisors. i think ballots will be arriving tomorrow. what will they expect? >> cylvia is taking personal time to address these issues herself and does not have a role in the administration. will not have a role until all of the relevant questions are answered, particularly the conclusions of the ethics commission concerning the relationship between her activities and any potential conflict of interest. let me say again that i don't believe there was a conflict. >> we don't really know until that report comes out. >> as i said, time will tell. there are a lot of questions that need to be answered before we define a role. >> it does not address the reality that last year, the

governor's chief of staff and legal representative said that cylvia's actions were illegal, unethical. and then they changed that opinion so that she would sign a new document that said that she could utilize the resources that she had in her position and still conduct your business. i don't think that change would have taken place unless the governor instructed them to change that. i want to know, is he complicit in asking his legal authorities in chief of staff to change their opinion on oregon ethics to comply with the desires that he has named of the first lady? >> the answer is no, of course not. we reviewed each of the contracts several times, through several lenses, and modified them so that in the end, the final contact, of which i will remind you that there are only three, complied with ethics

laws. there was an abundant amount of caution to make sure we met the intent of ethics laws and that is why we turned it over to the ethics commission to review those procedures. >> those contracts were signed before they change the opinion. >> we will move on to other topics. i am sure it will come up again. i want to let you know that joe donnellan will join us with questions sent in by you, the readers and viewers of kgw and "the oregon." you can tweet it to us and we will pick up some of those questions in the social section of the debate. now, let's get to the rest of our topics. i want to remind you of our panelists.

christopher carey, who i don't do a debate without, an associate professor at portland state university. tile, you have a question for representative richardson. >> you trail in the polls and critics say you are out of step with the majorities of voters in oregon's biggest cities. what you say to voters who do not support you now to reconsider? >> they need to consider that governor kitzhaber is not running for governor. he is running for a fourth term and he does not deserve it. unemployment is higher than national average and has been for 18 years. our education system is a dismal failure. we are next to last in graduation rates. our trust in government has never been worse. we have wasted $300 million on cover oregon, $190 million on the crc bridge, and $70 billion just on a recent department of human services modernization

program. that is $561 million burned up. we have nothing to show for it, except a lot of people on medicaid, which we would have done either way. the governor has to deserve a fourth term. by his actions, the dismal returns we have had for the last 20 years, it has been bringing us down. we need a governor who will turn the arrow up so we can restore jobs, the economy, education system, and trust. >> governor, i will give you a chance. representative richardson, what about being out of step with the majority of voters in the metro area? does that ring true for you? >> well, not exactly. certainly my views on some of the social issues happen different than media buzzers. as governor, i take an oath to enforce an honor the will of the people. i will do that. that is my commitment. we have discussions about issues.

we debate, we passed laws. the courts make their determination. once that is done, we will enforce the law. i'm glad that those things are behind us because we can focus on the economy and education and trust. >> first of all, i think values is a part of this race and we differ fundamentally on key value. a woman's right to control her reproductive health, giving workers strong voices in the workplace. we have added 100,000 jobs. we have the first tuition freeze in 14 years and 95% of oregonians now have health care coverage. tens of thousands for the first time. i am happy to run on that. >> your message in seeking a fourth term pretty much boils down to we are not done yet. if you are elected, can you tick off three areas where the middle class in oregon could see some improvement in these next four years?

>> the recovery has been spotty. we need to lean in to make sure that the recovery picks up people in rural oregon. we need to fully implement health care reform efforts to move to the private sector, which could be a game changer in terms of costs to businesses. we need to continue to implement educational reform goals, especially around early and third-grade reading and reconnecting high school students with current technical education and computer science. >> this is ignoring the reality that we are facing the low economic growth and so forth because of the governor's programs the last 20 years. our current unemployment rate has gone up. it is 7.1%.

>> you have issues on several issues, including standing against gamers. now that it is legal, what will you say to gay couples of called to defend same-sex marriage? >> congratulations on your marriage. these issues have been discussed but that is behind us. i say congratulations. i'm happy the issue of marriage has been resolved once and for all. we can move on. this is about free agency for individuals. the decisions have been made. i had my arguments, other people had their arguments. i trust the people on both sides. people have heartfelt feelings about these issues. they have been resolved. what i have to say to couples now married is congratulations. >> i commend representative

richard's view to allow oregonians to -- it took a while, but congratulation. >> graduation rates remain stubbornly low. what you tell oregonians looking for improvement now? >> there is no one lever you can switch to change graduation rates. there are things we can do over the long-term, which require systemic and intentional investment strategy. the work we are doing in early learning can get every child in the state reading in the third grade within five years, which means we are not sending kids behind the curve into the school system in the first place. reconnecting kids with computer science gives them a reason to stay in high school and we will have a package of incentives and budgetary recommendations to actually add that to our makes going forward.

i think that the challenge and issue is there is no quick fix. you have to have a very intentional strategy and that is what 40-40-20 really is. it ensures that our kids graduate from high school and they get at least two years of post secondary education or a baccalaureate degree and we are back on track. >> 20 years ago we heard the same story. by golly, we will be top in the world by 2010. guess what? it did not happen. it is more talk. the reality is our achievement level has gone down. graduation is going down. the future of a child is determined by the zip code their parents live in. that is wrong. it is not about more talk. it is about what we can do to change the course of education to restore it. we have school districts in our state that have almost 100% graduation rates and we have

school districts that are almost 50%. what we need to do is learn from the best, implement them. every student needs a mentor. we need to have shops and opportunities for kids that are not going to be going to college and that can be done with a change in our approach and not just more promises. >> representative richardson, you have said that you oppose common core, the language, arts, and math standard set for students around the country. what specifically do you oppose? >> common core was offered by the federal government. if you accepted it, the federal government said we have $4 million of stimulus money that we will give to early adopters. the mission statement sounds great. we want all students to do well. the devil is in the details. we are having the teachers teach

you a test. i know teachers they have quit who have said i will not be a class monitor that is teaching to a test. i am here to teach. it takes away from students, from parents, and from teachers and school districts any control over education. it comes from washington dc bureaucrats and not from those who know the students the best. i think we need to restore greater control by those that know and love the student's best, and that is the parents, teachers, and local school board. >> common core standards recognize oregon kids are not just going to be competing with other kids from oregon. they will be competing around the world. we measure it. we have gotten rid of all the tests. we got a waiver last year to

give us another year to connect state testing to student assessment so we can implement our homegrown assessment process that has been collaboratively built by the oregon education association. >> governor, we have heard a lot about cover oregon and critics have been quite critical of you. you promised more accountability in the future and this past week we learned that cover oregon asked a top consultant not to formally submit a report in order to keep things secret. why should voters believe cover oregon will be held accountable when we hear a still a lot -- when we still hear about secrecy? >> this is between the state of oregon and the department of justice. it was about the release of information would jeopardize the court case against organ. it was determined it was not and the information has been redacted and the report has been made public. the keeper of the report

basically cleaned up cover oregon. he believes this could continue as a freestanding entity. i don't. i believe once we deliver a functional website in november, which we will, the remaining functions of cover oregon need to go into a state agency, the probably the department of insurance and finance where we can have direct oversight. we never took our eye off the ball. we now have only 5% of oregonians without health insurance coverage. that is a huge victory for working-class people in oregon in general. i am very proud of it. >> he is really proud of it. i can't believe this. cover oregon is an abysmal failure. $300 million burned out. we can imagine what they would be like if it was piled and you put a match on a. he talks about signing up 350,000 oregonians. the majority were signed up for medicaid. we were signing people up for medicaid before cover oregon. you have 95,000 that were signed up for individual policies.

those policies and individuals will be completely reenrolled by the federal government. there is nothing to show for it, except it has been covered up before, it has been hidden, and the history of the report has been hidden as well because he does not want to admit it is an abysmal failure and it has been that way from the beginning because he chose the wrong people to go over the project and it was mismanaged from the beginning. >> i read one of your proposals that was especially interesting, to create a lieutenant governor position to foster international trade and open trade offices overseas. can you name three countries forming where you would like to see offices opening and what we would promote their? >> certainly. we have offices in some right now. number one would be china and japan and malaysia. these are countries that care about oregon. oregon is a gateway to the asian

countries. what we want to do is ensure that we have someone who has status to go over and work with the people to help prepare us to sell our products and services to a larger degree. that is how you create jobs. you create jobs by expanding demand for products and services. >> what do they want to buy? >> what they want to buy from us is everything we've got, from hazelnuts to wheat to technical, intel and high technology equipment and chips and so forth. we have many things that we offer. we have drones and aircraft that can be sold. what we need to do is have someone over there because to expand our economy, you have to have people that want to buy oregon. that should be the ambassador for oregon products and services. if you have a lieutenant governor over there is setting up office oversee, laying the groundwork so the governor can go and close the deal.

>> oregon is a trait-dependent state. over the last three years i have led trade missions to shanghai, berlin, amsterdam. the job of the governor is to represent the state. we don't need a lieutenant governor. it is the job of the governor and i have been doing it. >> i don't think there have been any trade missions in the last two years and he spent more time in boot tan than he has in either china or japan, more than our two major trade partners. talk is cheap. >> i have nothing to add. >> you have said building a new i-5 bridge between oregon and washington remains a critical issue. what specific steps you take to get the bridge built? >> first of all, it would be delightful to see the election change the makeup of the washington state legislature.

a handful of tea party senators essentially tanked the project. if that does not work, the next question is looking at public-private partnership along the coast of west coast infrastructure exchange, which attempts to find private capital to fund public infrastructure. we cannot rely on the federal government to rely those resources. they cannot even keep the surface transportation fund solvent. we have dealt with washington and california and if we cannot do it to action, joint action by oregon and washington, we would have to look at that. it is a critical issue. everything from oregon goes through it. it is our portal to the global economy. >> the crc failure is on the feet of the governor. we could have a bridge being built presently if it wasn't his determination that we would have light rail over this bridge that

was going to a community that did not want it. once again, he is blaming others for his failure to understand how things should really work. if we work with legislators in both states and governors with both states and were open and transparent, we could have a bridge presently. oregon said here are the parameters. they were not met. the project was stopped. his responses i will go it alone. he does not go it alone. yesterday has to execute the laws and decisions made by the representatives of the people in the legislature. the idea of doing what you want has hurt us and it is heard us again. >> you don't understand the financing mechanism. a hundred $50 million of financing was built around light rail. if that went away, the financing for the bridge went away. you have to understand how the bridge would be financed it you criticize me for what happened. >> governments build bridges. infrastructure is a basic thing that governments do. >> throughout the campaign, you

talked about a proposal to build a freeway through the middle of the state onto ontario. how do you justify that kind of expense, especially for commuters in the portland metro area that are stuck in traffic each and everyday? >> part of the reason we have such congestion up is because there has been a failure to consider commuting and the utilization of vehicles is an important aspect. the governor has stated to a group of mayors that we have to deal with climate change. we have to force commuters into public transportation. that does not solve anything for the rest of the state. we need to open up our state and by having a freeway system, and it will take 10-20 years to do this, but you have to start somewhere. by doing this you can have a vibrant economy on the coast, open up the depressed area around coos county, and go across eastern oregon to ontario

and you can take a tremendous amount of traffic that can just the portland area and give them a direct route to eastern oregon in a way they do not have presently. it will help congestion and it will help expand the economic aspects of our state in the central part of our state. >> i don't know how you are going to pay for it. what's we want our transportation future to look like in 2025 and how will we pay for it? we have a vision process being led by larry campbell. to finance it, we will have to look beyond the gas tax. it is not a sustainable way to finance the infrastructure. as people start to use mass transit, to do with congestion and to reduce the capacity needs on the road, we have to look at vehicle mile travels. if a righty innovative ways to finance highways.

what do we want our infrastructure to look like? what are the demands? how will we pay for it? >> this question for both candidates. i will give you equal time to respond. governor, perhaps you would like to answer it first. a generation ago, oregon was known as a national leader. policies like the bottle bill in the ocean opened beaches. what is your vision to returning oregon to the national forefront? >> i will give you a couple of examples. the coordinated care model, in which a million oregonians are now in, which is providing outstanding health outcomes and growing at a rate that is slower it than the growth of state revenues, is one incredibly innovative model that i think will be expanded nationally. i think the work we have done on the force collaborative in northeast oregon, figuring out a

win-win between the timber industry and conservation community with the tenure stewardship contract that is keeping a mill open in the john day and adding jobs and a second one. the west coast infrastructure exchange which i referred to, which is a creative way to figure out how we can do with the huge infrastructure gap along the west coast in absence of the federal government would be another example. i think we will see a model in early learning hubs by fundamentally changing the way we approach early learning and childhood development. >> part of the reason we don't have that innovation now is the policies that have been implemented by the governor for the last 20 years. he was in charge of the senate and his first term in governor, he was not fighting for allowing us to use natural resources in a proper way. we have 40,000 jobs lost in the forest industry. he is not fighting to have us have greater influence over there. we have presently, the liquid natural gas project.

this is a $7.5 billion project. that kind of money, you can have innovation. you can have growth. you can have development and entrepreneurs. without being willing to help grow oregon to get a better economy when you have opportunities such as liquid natural gas, but we do is we destine our state to flounder along with low income, bad education, and lessens the likelihood we will have innovation, entrepreneurship, and growth as we have in the past. >> you have embraced the green energy sector. solar and wind companies have not created as many jobs as expected. do you see tax breaks for greener energy companies as a good investment for the state of oregon? >> it is not a long the lines of the former betsy, which was overgenerous and created issues. there is a role for tax incentives for renewable energy.

if we internalize the cost in the system, i think that wind, solar, and other renewable energies would be competitive on the market. we externalize the cost of burning fossil fuel by simply dumping the carbon dioxide into the public air, if you will. the epa ruled that is going to address carbon emissions and the energy transportation sector will force us in that direction. i've had productive conversations with pg&e and pat ryden from pacific court to figure out how we can collaboratively move in that direction by reducing carbon, increasing renewable energy without creating a burden on either ratepayers were industry. >> i think part of it depends on who the senior advisor is going to be.

in the past you had a senior advisory who tripled her income between 2012 and 2013 by working for companies that wanted energy contracts while she had influence with the governor's office. and so it's suspicion as to what -- where we've been in the recent past on energy -- on these energy projects and decisions being made. having said that, wind is important, solar is important. the challenges, wind isn't always blowing and the sun isn't always shining. we need to make sure that we have an energy package that provides the energy resources so we can attract businesses and expand businesses that we have because that creates jobs and restores a more prosperous ecomomy. >> i'm a little bit confused. is that a yes or no to the tax breaks for green companies? would you -- >> it would fend on what they are and it would depend on who's recommending them. if you have an advisor that's on

the take, you don't know if you're getting real advice or if it's self-interest device. >> nothing? >> i won't respond to that. or dignify it, actually. >> you support transporting coal through oregon for export to asian but acknowledge that humans play a role in climate change. how do you answer the question that asians burning in cole that passes through here is having an impact on us here. >> whether they get it from some other location where they're not as concerned about the environment as we are or that we use environmental safeguards to provide it to be transported in a safe and environmentally sound way while we create hundreds of jobs, investment of money into our economy and a self-assessed tax that will provide money to schools.

i think it makes sense 230r us to be leaders in this and also accept the reality that people need to have heat. they need to be able to cook their food. in asian countries they're using coal to do that. we can set an example. for us to dictate what's going to happen there is to merely say we're going to have personal philosophy and which an extreme group of conservationists. >> governor. >> i oppose it for three reasons. as a governor it makes no sense to subsidize the burning of fossil fuel in asian. i oppose it as a physician, because the jet stream flows from asia this way and we are going to get the particulate, the mercury and all of that stuff back in our backyard. i oppose it as a father. i want my son to be able to take a fresh breath when he is 30. it is the dirtiest form of fuel

and i do not export it. >> we're going to wrap up this portion with one last question. although representative richardson i think you've hit on this a little bit already but the question is for both of you. could you tell us why you think your opponent is the wrong choice for oregon? >> starting with me? >> sure, go ahead. i believe that john is a nice person. we've worked together. that's not the point. oregon needs leadership and we have 20 years of a downward spiral in our economic environment. we have unemployment. we have a floundering of our economy. we have other states around us growing while we just bounce along on the bottom. we can't afford four more years of john kitzhaber.

he said it's going to be better in the future but in the meantime we're losing a generation of our kids. we can't afford four more years of promises made and promises broken on being an education governor and we can't afford the distrust, the failure to be open and transparent in our government. we need to have a government that is open, honest, transparent. doesn't hide the ball, doesn't hide reports and doesn't continue to bring close to the governor those people who are not competent or they're not credible. >> we want to make sure that the governor gets same time to answer this. you could tell us why you think your opponent is the wrong choice for oregon. >> i am very fond of richard and we have worked well together in the past. i simply believe that, a, our shared values are fundamentally different. i do believe that it is important for women to have control over their own reproductive health choices. i think it's important for oregonians to be able to marry the person they love. i think it's important to form a union and collectively bargain.

this is actually a job that requires some experience. it's -- experience and perspective matter. it's not like i'm doing heart surgery and someone says, you haven't done this before. go ahead and take orr. just don't grab the sharp end of the scalpel. i've had the opportunity to serve in the legislature. i think that actually matters and is a factor in the decision that voters will be making in three weeks. >> all right. thank you, gentlemen. for this next section we're going to welcome joe who has some questions for our viewers and readers. >> lots of them coming in on twitter and facebook. we'll share some of those. the candidates will each get 45 seconds to answer these questions. the first one, we heard from

several people. they told us they were not inspired by either one of your campaigns. no offense. >> no offense taken. >> so what do you say to voters who are not satisfied with either candidate? and we begin, i believe, with the governor. >> i would say vote at the open primary. that would address some challenges we have with the two party system. this is a voice between two fundamentally different philosophies and visions of oregon's future and hopefully within the next 30 days -- we have one more debate -- there will be an opportunity for people to sort of sift out the differences between representative richardson and myself and make it an informed choice. i encourage them all to vote. >> we haven't spent the money that's been spent in the past. our budgets are about a fourth of the money spent in 2 last election, so you're not seeing as much on the air. when you have those commercials and things like that, they're unhappy. >> we're never unhappy. >> some people aren't happy. some not so happy.

this is the last three weeks. it's important for people to become informed, to go to our websites, to see what we stand for. to look at what the past has been it's not about a republican versus a democrat. it's about the past versus the future. i say three terms is enough, because we haven't gotten where you're going to go so why four more years of four more years? it's time for a vision that will improve jobs in the education system and restore trust. >> this question came in on twitter. >> there's two parts to the g.m.o.'s. one them is we're coming up on labeling. i think people should have a full knowledge and understanding of what is in their food. so i support that. whether g.m.o.'s are a lifesaving measure or they're a

poison for the people, i know that we're both concerned about the answer to that and i actually like the fact that this governor has set up a task force to study that. because the state has the ability to bring in the experts and determine what the real science is. the decision needs to be made on rational science and not on a motion. >> governor. >> i'll probably vote for the measure but i think that is the wrong issue. i think the international markets are going to determine that for us. they want non-g.m.o. products in asia and in the european union. we have a huge and important part of our industry that depends on g.m.o. products and a part that is non-g.m.o. the task force i put together is to find out what that looks like.

they are completing a report to me and we'll meet again before the session to see if we can develop a package or set of policies that will allow that to happen. >> i would say 10-year energy action plan which we developed in 2012 was a huge part of that. the emphasis on trying to make the change to policies like the west coast action plan between california, british columbia and the state of washington is another. our major initiative on the environmental front in the next four years will be working lands, essentially how do we maintain our agriculture and timber land base in production for agriculture and timber while getting a contribution lift at the same time. >> i believe that we need to

first look at what conclude done immediately. we all have responsibility. we need to understand that there is a need for a statewide policy. because we don't have a stayed wide natural resource policy, in a couple of days this nullifies everything we do in portland. we need a statewide approach and not just a piecemeal approach. >> representative, this question name. how big a priority is leaving traffic congestion in the portland metro area and what do you plan to do about it? >> i think it's a tremendous priority.

i am look out my office window and i see the bumper to bumper traffic morning and night. it's social engineering. it's his philosophy to force on the people by making it so that traffic jams also make people want to go to public transportation. it wasn't working. people weren't doing it, were resistant what we need to do is look at the outcome we want to do which is to be able to move commodities and commuters across the bridge and around our community in as little time as possible. so we need to be looking at speed limits, plans for more traffic -- inner traffic flow and more rhodes roads as necessary. >> governor. >> three things. we need to find a new way to finance our transportation infrastructure, not just driving

on the road but mass transit, parking and bicycle. very important. i talked about that earlier. slicked, we need to focus on mass transit. we need to give people other alternatives to get to and from work. we could look at staggered work hours to relieve some of the capacity on sunset highway. sometimes it's empty and sometimes it's full. finally, smart technology. the boards going up across the country help consumers figure out the best route to and from. >> yes or no, governor, do you favor raising the speed limit in oregon? several people asked this. >> i do not favor increasing the speed limit unless we can increase the number of oregon state place to patrol the roads. >> i think it's important to do that. it's not citizen's problem. tights law's problem. >> this question comes in from

the reader kate. she asks, what ideas do you have to keep children safe from gun depths and -- deaths? >> i believe that we should have greater training and utilization of firearms. i think that when the government starts dictating what is going to be done and how they're going to be held, we immediately start violating the individual and the privacy rights and secondly, the rights of the citizens. but what we need is to have greater training on safety. we shouldn't avoid guns. guns are a tool, something that we use in target shooting and in hunting and for personal safety. we need to make sure that the use of firearms is safe and rational. i've trained all of my kids. i've got one son and eight daughters. we've done target practice. i've got one daughter who's a dead eye. she's such a better shot than i am. the main thing was learning how to use them and use them safely.

>> i believe we need a more stringent background he can in the state of oregon, close the loopholes to make sure that people who shouldn't have guns, don't have access to guns. gun owners -- could commit a crime or injury. finally, i think we need to recognize that this is a larger societal issue and we need to look at the front end, which is what we're trying to do with our learning, to try to identify kids who are at risk, who have mental health issues or need some family support to actually address the problems of people who might end up misusing a firearm. >> some people on twitter are asking if you are sure that no laws were broken sylvia hayes and why won't you ask a special

prosecutor to investigate? >> i do not believe that any laws were violated, period. secondly, i do not believe that we have violated the intent for spirit of the ethics laws, as i've indicated, but because the perception and the nagging questions around this. as i said, we've given all the relevant information to the ethics commission to vet and review. >> and the question is why not ask for a special prosecutor? >> because i don't believe this is a prosecutorial issue. i believe we need to pursue their professional career. >> we have a clear understanding of the people that it's corrupt when a person receives money from companies that have an input to the government and giving it to someone who has influence in government. we have statutes on that.

for the govern to say that he doesn't see that that's the problem, he doesn't see corruption that's obvious to the rest of us. it's a blind spot because it's his fiance. either way, it's not helping our state or the example that's being set for us to have a governor that doesn't realize that it is wrong to take money in a government position as a senior advisory. >> governor, give me 15 -- give you 15 seconds to respond. >> there's no evidence that happened. a lot of it is in las vegas, the conclusions of which i disagree with. we will find out when the ethics commission has a full review of the policies that we put into place to anticipate this. again, i welcome the review. >> which doesn't meet until after the election. >> we have this for you, how do you plan to keep your personal convictions separate when they conflict with the majority vote of the people. >> i've been a lawyer for over 31 years.

many of my clients did not have viewpoints in line with mine but that didn't stop me from representing them. i have the ability to have my own opinion about things. i will take seriously my oath to abide by the laws of the constitution. i won't come into office and change my mind as our current govern has. i believe that since we have made the decision that on the social issues that those are off the table, i will enforce them gladly. i'm happy that they're off the table because it allows us to stop setting off on those kinds of tangents when we should be concentrating on jobs and education and i can make that happen. >> i think there's a basic in consistency with that. forgive me. the voters have voted several times on whether to allow a woman the right to control her own health choices and yet you

introduced 10 individual in your 11 years in the legislature which would restrict a woman's right to make the choices. i think there's a fundamental inconsistency. i think it's best to move the focus off of that issue. but it is what it is. >> can the bill being mentioned over the years does not prove a point. i do not agree that they limit the reproductive choices made by a woman. they may have been bills that had different aspects of it like dealing with the fact that there's emotional trauma and that kind of thing. >> honest question, why should we care about this election. >> i think that -- i think that's a sad question. this country depends on an active engaged citizenry. i was around when we worked to give the 18-year-olds the vote.

when i was in college you could get drafted at 18 but you couldn't vote until you were 21. voting matters. democracy is not a spectator sport. it requires active engagement and the energy to research the issues and vote. that question concerns me and i himthat question concerns me and i hope whoever asked it will reflect on the time and the blood and the history of this country to protect and expand the franchise to vote. >> representative? >> they brought 22,000 miles and many of them died on the path. there was tall timber and 2k50e7 topsoil and wide rivers and a coastline and big fish. they wanted a legacy, they wanted opportunity. what do we have? it's about eligibility and qualifications and the government, you know, are you able to qualify to have the special deals that are offered to some companies and not to

others. this election is about changing the course of our future. i have a vision that would enable us to have a greater expansion of our economy with better respect for our environment, a better education system that will help the students of our families have a chance for a 21st century job. >> representative, my wife is an undocumented immigrant and able to change her status. without measure 88, my wife won't debate be able to drive legally. do you think our communities will be hurt if moms and dads can't drive? what is your solution? >> this is a difficult issue. i know there are families affected by this. my heart goes out to them but to say that question should avoid the rule of law and make special elections on -- for people because we feel like that's a compassionate thing to do is to violate the very basis upon which our country and our state is based. we have immigrants that have been here, that we came here

legally and we followed the rule of law and to say that we're going allow special exceptions for people who are here illegally, it violates the law and it's a slap in the face of the immigrants who have come here and done it according to the law. >> it's not just about safe roads. it's about people who are in our community. they are our friends and neighbors and co-workers and they deserve the right to drive safely to and from work, to take their kids to the doctor, to go to church. if we believe in the pursuit of happiness, that must include being able to take care of your family. this is part of the larger commitment to equity and opportunity in this state these people are taxpayers. they work in the state of oregon. they contribute to some of our most porch fundamental industries.

i'm not willing to turn my back on them. we need a state who welcomes all residents. >> if they're here illegally, they're not taxpayers unless they're using someone else's social security number. let's be reasonable. >> the time is ticking down. we chose the order of who would close and governor, you will give the first of our closing statements. you have one minute. >> the choice is about two things. it's about values and the ability to deliver. my opponent and i differ greatly. we differ on the right of women to control their own reproductive health choices. we differ on the right of oregonians to marry the person they love. we differ on the importance of our environment as the foundation of our identity and economy. this is a fundamentally better place than four years ago because we came together and found solutions to difficult issues. we erased the budget deficit, started a kindergarten. we have the first television

freeze in 13 years. organize abs have health insurance coverage, many of them for the very first time we've pulled the state back together. we delivered for oregon. this race is about values and this race is about the ability to deliver. the choice is very clear. i'm proud to be your governor and i ask for your vote on november 4. thank you. >> you get the final word of the night. >> friends, oregon should be a center of excellence where you should be known for this jobs, high incomes, for natural resources and pioneer spirit. sadly, this governor has made oregon a national joke, scandals, cover-ups, investigations, wasted funds, and watch for the next three weeks he's going to vilify me to distract you from paying attention to his breaches in ethics. we deserve better. together we need to reboot

oregon's economy and create jobs and respect our environment. we need to better education by informing parents, teachers and opportunities. we need to restore filibuster our government, protect individual rights and no one should be above the law. we can clean up this government. but not until we vote out this governor and his cronies. we can oregon a better governor. oregon deserves a governor that we can be proud of. i end by asking you to vote for dennis richardson for your next governor. thank you. >> thank you both. we covered a lot in a short time period. but i think it's really great for the voters and we really appreciate you being here. thanks to our panel, to our timekeeper as well. certainly to all of you at home w4506 joined us. if you'd like to watch the

debate again, we're going to put the full video up on our website, kgw.com. you can check it up. there. ballots go out this week, so please take the time to vote. >> more debates tonight. a debate in south carolina in the governor's race. at 10:00, the debate in kansas between the governor and his democratic challenger.

we are bringing you more than 100 debates this campaign season. bringing you one from the montana u.s. senate race. here is part of the debate from last night. >> when our founding fathers wrote our founding documents, they did not ever intend for corporations to be running the show. they intended for teachers and electricians and plumbers to be making the decisions that affect us and our citizen legislature. found that they are afraid of being part of the process that they don't think they are smart enough to do it or don't have the right background. the reason that i have step up to the plate is to prove the you don't have to be a source moon fed career politician to represent working families. representerson to workers is one of us.

i think we are getting to your aches rants. the you think you have the experience to represent? >> absolute. most people have read in a local paper about my background growing up in poverty. experiencedy that i . most people know that i have dedicated my life to education because it is the pathway to overcoming the adversity that i have experienced. it makes me the best person to be our voice in the united states senate. i do agree that we need to have more of a citizen type legislature. we need more men and women who have real experience and can bring that back and take the skills learned in the private

sector to help lead the country. dad grew up in billings. i grew up watching mom and dad start up a construction business from nothing. we lived in 10 different houses growing up. i worked in the summer. i put myself through college. i think we need people who have had experience growing jobs and growing businesses. i am the only candidate on the stage that has been out and created hundreds of good high-paying jobs right here in montana. >> i sent to apologize for the teachers out there for what you just heard. are also very important job creators in our state and our country. the first debate

. she joined the campaign late after john walsh quit as of allegations of plagiarism. you can watch the entire debate >> here are a few of the comments we received on our ebola coverage. >> i think it is overhyped by the media. it,amount of time they give 10-12 minutes every morning. when it first came out. they are still talking about it. there are other things that are important to talk about, too. >>