their temperature taken an answer health questions. those measures will be put into place by u.s. customs and border protection. they begin saturday at new york's jfk. the next weekend we work, washington dulles, and atlanta's hartville jackson. with greater scrutiny on travelers from sierra leone, nigeria, and chicago. this is from today's white house briefing. the department of homeland security just announced any travelers from west africa, from liberia, guinea, sierra leone or have to go to the five airports you have designated for enhanced screening measures. as you have said last week, that covered virtually everybody that to this country.

not entirely. why was this policy not put in place back then because it would have been 100% coverage? >> what we have said is the president stands ready to consider additional travel restrictions as necessary to further protect the american public. this is an example of additional travel restrictions that could be put in place by our homeland security officials to ensure the safety and security of the american public. when the president was asked in the oval office on thursday evening of last week about a travel ban, the president asked me why he did not believe a travel ban would be in the best interests of public safety, but indicated an openness to add additional restrictions that could be put in place to protect the american public. this is an example of one of those travel restrictions, and this ismething that -- -- this is not

relatively creative policymaking. this is where the department of homeland security had to work with airlines that are flying passengers from a variety of countries from europe to the united states. it required work with state apartment to inform other countries -- with the state department to inform other coordination. i am pleased to see that is being implemented starting tomorrow. have theteps administration taken in the case any traveler entering the u.s., biplane -- are there -- by plane, are there additional screening measures in place? >> is my understanding dhs is focused as well -- there has been a lot of public attention on the screening measures in individuals who are arriving at airports. there are screening protocols in place for those who arrive at seaports and land ports of entry

as well. for those details, i would refer you to my colleagues at the department of homeland security. tonight more campaign 2014 coverage. we will take you live to massachusetts for the governor's debate between martha coakley and charlie baker. on to new hampshire for the u.s. senate race debate, 8:00 shaheen between jeanne and scott brown. carolinauth governor's race at 9:00. and at 10:00, a debate in kansas with sam brownback and paul davis. candidates from montana's open u.s. senate seat met yesterday backhe first of back to da debate. ms. curtis entered the campaign

late. she replaced john walsh who dropped out after allegations of plagiarism. the debate runs one hour. mpn, in partnership with montana pbs, this is campaign 2014, the senate debate. made possible thanks to support from the greater montana montanaon, the greater foundation, founded by ed cr ainey, supports issues on values of importance to all montanans. >> we welcome you tonight to debate night on the montana television network. we welcome you here to the campus of ms8u billings.

i am your moderator for the evening. we would like to welcome all of our live audience tonight along with the people tuning in and montana television network stations. we are nationwide on c-span2, so a welcome to people watching across the country tonight. people watching and listening on radio,ight -- statewide and we wouldn't like to knowledge our for sponsors. billings, along with yellowstone public radio, and other archers, the billings gazette, and others, joining forces tonight to bring you the televised debate. thank you to the montana foundation for the support. our format tonight, we have two candidates questioned by our panel of three journalists.

no opening statements tonight. first candidate will get 60 question, answer the the other candidate will have 30 seconds to rebut, and both will get another 30 seconds to rebut what was just said. we are hoping to have a lively discussion. we are asking the audience locally to hold their applause until the very end. we covered cell phones, not applauding or hissing during the debate. we would agree the senate race in montana has had everything except for one thing -- a debate. let's meet amanda curtis. she is a math teacher at butte high school and was elected to the montana house of representatives in 2012. she is a total product of the

montana university system. she is working on her master's currently. she and her husband live in butte and she is a high school teacher at butte high and has taught at the helena middle school. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> also with us, we have steve daines. steve was raised in bozeman, and also a product of the montana school system. we worked for proctor & gamble and worked in his family's construction company and was selected as vice president for right now. he was elected to the u.s. house in 2012. steve and his wife have four children. it is great to see you tonight. >> i appreciate it.

>> we have mike denison on the panel tonight. for the past nine years, mike has worked for the newspaper state bureau but has been covering state house and government issues for some 22 years. big welcome to mike. good to see you tonight, mike. >> thank you. >> also we have with us the news director of yellowstone public radio who has been covering state and local politics for 20 years. jackie, good to see you tonight and i know you have a bunch of good questions.

and last but not least, sanjay -- those are our panelists tonight. thank you very much. all right. that is enough of the applause. i have the first question as the moderator. we flipped a coin before it started and amanda you get a chance to answer the first question. and it is this -- isis has been identified as one of the biggest threats facing the world, and my question is did you believe president obama's response to the isis threat is adequate, and if not, perhaps when would you be willing to put ground troops on the ground to deal with that threat?

>> isis is a terrible group with no respect for human life. we need to have a serious conversation about how much this is going to cost and where the money is going to come from. >> steve, same question, do you believe the president's response to the isis threat has been adequate and would you at some point be willing to put boots on the ground? >> my concern with the president's response is the lack of clarity. we need a long-term strategy. the isis threat is not going away. 9/11 was 13 years ago and this is going to affect generations potentially. i don't support putting combat groups on the ground but we need a strategy with energy security and need to produce oil so the world looks to us for energy not the middle east. we need to secure our borders and ensure we don't have isis coming from the southern border and number three we need to ensure we have a coalition of middle east allies in supporting the united states in dealing

with this serious threat. >> quick follow-up about boot putting boots on the ground. how should we pay for this war if it moves forward? >> i also don't agree with putting boots on the ground. it is up to the folks in region to help step up to the plate. we have seen politicians kick the can down the road and making sure we know how much it is to cost and who is going to pay for it. >> steve, we put two wars on the credit card already, how are we going to pay for this? >> the isis forces are receiving $2 million a day from refined oil revenuse. so we cannot afford to stop this. i remember being in business during 9/11 when the

economy froze, so the coast is far greater than before, and it is important we secure the homeland for this generation and our children and grandchildren. >> our first question from the panelist goes to jackie. >> congressman daines, one year ago the republicans shut down down government. would you support a shutdown again if you get into a budget stalemate either with the president or fellow republicans? >> the government shutdown was a failure of washington. it takes two parties to negotiate a deal. congress was standing up to protect from the harmful affects of obamacare. it takes two to sort it out.

and during the government shutdown, i refused today take my salary and donated it. because in the real world when you don't get results you are held accountable, and i said the failure of the system, and i didn't believe it was right to take salary during that time. >> amanda, your response. >> the government shutdown absolutely was a failure. and congressman daines has a clear voting record and that is one of the reasons i agreed to get into the nomination. he voted for the government shutdown that cost the state of montana millions of dollars and hurt montana's small businesses. he is so out of touch with how we live in the state we can afford to go without congressional pay when most

families can't relate to that. >> congressman? >> we worked hard to make sure we protected montanans against the shutdown. i broke with the republican majority to stop to shutdown and move forward with the governing again. so it is as a failure of government and that is why it is important it never happens again. we just had that stalemate again and moved through it with reasonable and rational minds coming together and avoided another shutdown. >> i would just remind everyone that the shutdown did affect montanans and it affected all seven of the reservations because there were no plans for what would happen to them during the shutdown. >> follow-up? >> yes, would you vote for a

federal shutdown again? >> this was the first president in the history who would not sit down with congress and negotiate an increase to the debt ceiling. president obama did it before, president clinton, president reagan, and president bush did it. this was unique in history that he refused to sitdown and negotiate a deal. you need two parties sitting down, finding a solution and moving forward. >> one final word?. >> what i didn't hear is no, i would not vote for a government shutdown. no, i would not vote for a government shutdown because it costs our state millions and hurts montana businesses and our native american reservations, and the comments about compromise and working together

are right, and that is why it is important to not send the most extreme congressman montana has ever had back to washington, d.c., as our senator. >> next question goes to mike. >> representative curtis, you said you support the affordable care act and it has helped people get insurance. what about the vast majority of people who had insurance but didn't get subsidies to buy it? why should they support it? >> i was just at the bobcat tailgate the other day, and i ran into a physician who has been practicing medicine for 30 years. he said it is really nice to meet you. don't repeal the aca. he said he had a preexisting condition that made him as a health care provider

uninsureable. i have travelled over 8,000 miles across the state listening to residents having problems with delay of care and the cost of their insurance. so i am just saying that i am willing to work with both sides of the aisle to fix these issues and make this bill work better for everyone. i actually have had the experience of having my health care plan rise in cost, so i am feeling that myself. >> steve, your rebuttal. >> i will stand with the people of montana and not president obama. i have been to every one of the 56 counties and overall we don't like obamacare and want it repealed. we don't want to see a washington-led solution. they create more problems. over 30,000 people in the state lost their insurance. president obama said if you like

your health insurance you can keep it. well, tell that to the 9,000 medicare advantage patients loosing their coverage. >> do you have a follow-up? >> i am so glad president obama isn't on the ballot. the people that are is one of us who understands the rising cost of health care and the most extreme congressman we have ever had who instead of working for a solution thrown a tantrum over something that is saving lives. >> congressman daines, again on obamacare, you said you are interested in tort reform or health savings accounts and

portability of plans across state lines. but for people that cannot afford health insurance now and haven't been able to do you think those things will help them get health insurance and do you think we should have a policy as goal to get towards some kind of universal health coverage for people who cannot afford it? >> i believe the answers to the health care problems is to have a montana solution. i didn't vote against obamacare 40 times. i voted once. tort reform is a 10% to 20% savings in defensive medicine cost. and expand hsa's. and number three, we need to allow american people to have a tax deduction who are not working for a company to receive the same tax deduction when they work for companies with employer-sponsored plans.

i don't want a one size solution that works for california or new york. we need a rural montana solution. they don't want to see the solution made in washington, d.c. they want it made here. >> amanda? we have unfortunately seen one-size-fits-all solutions from -- congressman daines. congressman daines voted along tea party lines most of the times and that vote to repeal the aca was one of them. the aca provided for our state to expand medicare which would have provided health insurance to the most vulnerable of our citizens. our legislature dropped the ball on that, and i would like to continue to improve the aca and

expand medicaid for all of our citizens in the next legislature. >> steve? >> the congressional budget office for 2020 says 21 -- 31 million americans will still not have health care coverage after the aca is implemented. nancy pelosi sold this as a $950 billion project and now it is estimated at $1.2 trillion spent after the aca is implemented. >> i have to step in here and say that when you look at the cost savings of preventing citizens from having their initial point of contact with the health care system be

the emergency room, the amount of money saved by the country in the long run is astronomical. that is a much more realistic way to look at the numbers. >> just the update last week said the aca will add $130 billion to our debt. 31 million americans uninsured is raising the deficit. take a look at the senate committee that just reviewed the budget forecast. >> sanjay, a follow-up. >> about the 31 million unable to afford health insurance, if they cannot afford health insurance, can they afford health savings accounts, and will they benefit from tax deductions at all? >> we need to solve this problem at the state level. states like indiana and utah are moving forward with programs and plans that will be unique to that state's needs.

think about montana and a resident in different places might be something different than someone in bozeman. we need a state-focused solution. look at what the v.a. did when it took over the health care system. look at indian health services. when the federal government takes over a system, it becomes expensive and the poor, disabled, and elderly are not getting the care they need. >> your follow-up. >> i would ask anyone who voted to try to repeal the aca to explain that to my mom who hasn't had health insurance for 31 years but has access. or explain that to my friend who as a health care professional for the first time is considered

insurable. >> moving along. jackie? >> because of the needs of police, roads, sewer and water systems is immediate and immense would you support the return of earmarks to pay for the projects? >> in talking about eastern montana, it is important to remember our state has given corporation corporations making millions an 18-month tax-free holiday. and perhaps we should be taxing instead of letting an out of state company come in and reap as many natural resources as it can and move on to the next well before it has to pay taxes. >> congressman daines?

>> i will answer the question. no, i don't support earmarks. they were abused. i didn't have a career in politics prior to serving in the house of representatives. the problem with earmarks is you have members of congress using it to cut deals at the expense of the taxpayer. they use it to pad their own success at the expense of the american people. i serve on the transportation infrastructure committee in the house, and we can work through prioritizeing our projects without earmarks. >> amanda, rebuttal? >> i am also against earmarks and we should not send our congressman back to washington, d.c., to be in the senate who has supported giving incentives to ship corporations oversea overseas. >> steve?

>> the most important thing we want to do is see better paying jobs and less government. 50% of the people graduating from universities are underemployed or unemployed. people don't want to travel outside of the state to see their grandchildren. they want opportunities for people to stay here in montana. >> next question is for mike. >> congressman daines, you said abortion should be illegal in most cases and oppose funding for planned parenthood. why are these goals the right thing for montana?

>> it is important we provide contraception for women and make it accessible. but it is important we have a respect for life. we are a nation that has a great respect for life. if a soldier is left on the battlefield, we will risk the lives of 20 seals for one life. our declaration of independence says life, liberty, and pursuit happiness are what we stand for. they are the most vulnerable and have no voice in our society, and that is why i will stand for life for those who are the most vulnerable. >> amanda? him and >> congressman daines sponsored a bill that would ban most kinds of contraception.

when i was 16 years old, i used planned parenthood and i don't know if you notice but there is only one woman standing on the stage and women can absolutely trust me to trust them. >> congressman daines? >> i am a father of four children. we have two sons and two daughters. it is important to make sure some someday my daughters will have access to contraception when they need it. i think it is very important we stand to ensure the women across this country have full access to contraception. we need to make sure we stand up and respect the first amendment

and there is an issue of freedom of religion there. that is why it is important we stand for women and ensure they have access to contraception. >> i would just step in and say what congressman daines just said in mentioning the first amendment is he is reminding us he supports the hobby lobby decision saying a corporation can make my health care decisions for me, and as a woman , senator, i absolutely disagree with that. >> next question is sanjay. >> representative curtis, you said you support the jobs coming from the coal industy and the development of the keystone xl pipeline. on the other hand, many of your supporters also have serious concerns about climate change and global warning, which is

caused they say by fossil fuel burning. are we going to have it both ways, saying to the environmental community that you are concerned about global warming? >> you asked a lot of questions. coal is an important part of our economy and i support the good jobs it produces. as far as the climate change part of that, i stepped up to the plate saying i am willing to work with both sides of the aisle and anyone who is willing to have the conversation about how we support all sectors of the economy and not just the largest corporation and wealthiest individuals. part of that is creating a long term plan for shifting to greener technologies, renewables like wind and solar. >> congressman daines? >> i support building the keystone xl pipeline. it took the canadian government 7 months to approve the pipeline.

it has taken the president six years. this president needs to stand with the people of montana who want the keystone xl pipeline built. on the issue of coal, 5,000 jobs and $125 million of revenue that supports schools, teachers, infrastructure and low-cost electricity. this president and the epa are declaring war on coal. a war on coal is a war on the crow people of montana, and that is what the president is waging on the national resources industry in montana. >> amanda? >> congressman daines spent much of his time building up jobs in china and incentvises companies

that shift profits and our jobs to china. so it is no surprise he would fight hard to ship our oil and refining jobs to china. we should be demanding the permanent jobs that will come from building the infrastructure to build it here. >> my opponent was against the keystone xl pipeline originally and now supports if it is made here. there is a law that prohibits the export of crude. all of the keystone oil is going to be refined in the united states. that was signed in 1975. so i am not sure why she but the condition on the keystone xl pipeline. it will all be refined here. we cannot export crude because of the law. >> if i can defend myself, my dad is a laborer, and they depend on temporary jobs like the keystone xl pipeline to feed, clothe, and

insure their kids. i understand better than anyone how important those temporary jobs are. >> you are watching the u.s. senate debate on the montana television debate. we will be back in one minute. >> welcome back to campaign 2014. to msuelcome you back billings, the debate tonight between amanda curtis and republican steve daines. we are live at the montana television network, along with yellowstone public radio, and the montana news network, along with c-span2. your ads. about amanda, we have seen one of your ads on the tv. you say we need one of us in the senate.

who thinkk to people we need people a lot smarter than us in the senate. are you suggesting we need to dumb down the senate, or made ybe you have some explaining to do. >> an interesting perspective. when our standing -- founding fathers wrote the founding documents, states did not ever want corporations to be running the show here. they wanted teachers and plumbers to be making the decisions that affect us. i have found in meeting montanans that they are a little afraid of being part of the process, that maybe they do not think they are quite smart enough to do it or have the right background. the reason i have slept up to the plate is to prove you do not have to be a silver spoon-fed politician, a career politician to represent working families, and that the best person to represent workers in the state is one of us.

up with amanda. i think we're getting to your experience. do you think you have the experience to represent this dead -- the state? >> absolutely. i'm sure most folks i know have read about my background growing up in poverty right here in billings and the adversity that i experienced. most people know i have dedicated my life to education because it is the pathway to overcoming the adversity i have experienced. the experiences i have had in a working-class family in the state of montana takes me the best person to be our voice in united states senate. i agree we need to have more of a citizen type legislature. we need more men and women who have experienced who can bring

that back, taking the skills learned in the private sector out of washington to help lead the country. mom and dad grew up in billing things. my grandmother saying -- lives in the same home until she passed away a few months ago. i started growing up seeing mom and dad start their own construction businesses, i worked over the summer, and i think we need people who have experience growing jobs and businesses. we talk about jobs, i am the only candidate on the stage who has been out there and created hundreds of high-paying jobs in montana. >> quick rebuttal. >> i have to apologize to all of the teachers out there because we know teachers are also very important job creators in our state and country.

>> steve, i have a question about your ads. one of them touts about the balanced budget accountability act but the fact is ever since introduced it has been sitting in committee but the ad makes it sound like everything is cool and we balanced the budget and congress won't get paid unless the budget is balanced. >> there is the problem in washington. when i talk about that idea with montanans, they love the idea. let's not pay congress to get the budget balanced. you go back to washington, d.c., and that is how broken it is. members of congress don't want to get on board with that idea because that holds them accountable. but i think we have to reform the entire system we need an amendment that requires a balanced budget. in montana we balance the budget every legislative session because there is a requirement to balance the budget. they cannot leave helena without

it. 49 states has that requirement. but washington, d.c., doesn't. so that is the battle we face in that culture in washington. these career-politicians have been there too long and we need to change the house and senate by electing more men and women. >> isn't that bill just symbolic? congress still gets paid if it passes because it only reduces a portion of the salary. so the ad is false in that respect. >> no, it would impact the current and future congress. that is why we have resistance from members of congress. we had discussions and they say that might mean i don't get paid. that is exactly the reason i in introduced that bill, because if congress refuses to balance the budget they will not get paid. we need to hit members of congress in their pocketbooks because they are hitting us in

our pocketbooks. >> a quick rebuttal. >> i don't know if you are familiar with the average earnings in congress, but i can guarantee you not a single one of them is worried about losing their salary. and if all of congressman daines' ads were telling the truth, i would not have to be standing in front of you. >> jackie, you're next. >> congressman daines, i am asking for specific solutions to keep the health care program for senior citizens fiscally solvent. >> so we need to engage in an adult discussion on how we preserve medicare for the generations going forward. as i have thought, reflected, and looked at what is going on

in washington, here is the problem -- as soon as someone suggests a reform to save medicare for future generations, immediately 30-second ads pop up and whoever suggests that idea is vilified in the political process. we have to start with two operating principles. number one, we are not going to touch the benefits of existing seniors today or those approaching retirement. but number two, we are going to have to move forward some reforms, or our children and our grandchildren will not receive this important safety net. it will be gone in their generation. the trustees project it will run out in 2033. we don't have a lot of time. but it will require a bipartisan agreement between republicans and democrats sitting down and agreeing that we are going to get this down.

there was an attempt for that. starting to shoot straight and got caught in the politics of washington and it died. >> amanda, your rebuttal. >> i will absolutely support the medicare protection act that protects the eligibility age. one way we can cut down on improper payments and keep the solvent down. we need to support programs that keep montanans in their homes and communities. i will point to congressman daines' voting record. he voted to turn medicare into a voucher system that would cost montana seniors up to 50% more in their premiums. >> congressman daines? >> that is inaccurate and i never voted for a voucher system. but i just introduced a bill that looks at one of the problems in washington. the affordable care act is going to impose a hardship on those businesses that provide in-home health care for medicare patients.

my grandmother had that here in billings. she preferred to stay in her home and have someone come to her home and care for her instead of being in an institution or assisted living. it was better for her and more cost effective. and the affordable care act is placing a burden, and the bill i introduced asked for a two-year reprieve on that. but here is another consequence of the affordable care act. >> amanda? >> i would just like to remind everyone that congressman daines has a clear voting record that cannot be ignored. he has a 10% rating with different senior organizations and i will support the older americans act that provides services like meals on wheels and the montana aging services

that keep seniors in their homes and in their communities. >> next question to mike. >> representative curtis, you have received an f-rating from the nra. if i am a gun owner and care about gun rights, why should i vote for you? >> i am a staunch supporter of my second amendment right. my husband and i were out shooting the browning 12 gauge light that his grandfather who passed away left us. this is just another example of the other side not being able to talk about the issues we have outlined, so they turn to making me look like something that i am not. >> congressman daines? >> i have been a life long member of the nra, grew up accessing and hunting and fishing on public lands, and enjoying shooting sports. i killed my first antelope with my grandfather and have great

memories growing up enjoying shooting sports. but the second amendment is not about hunting. it is about freedom. it is about liberty. i received an a-plus rating from the nra. it is the highest score ever given in montana. my opponent received the lowest score ever given to a candidate in the history of montana. i think it represents her extreme views on this issue. >> amanda? >> the nra started out as a safety group is now another lobbying group for special interests, and montanans should be more worried about accessing their public lands, and as long as we talk about accessing our

lands so we can use our firearm and talking about voting records let me just point out that congressman daines has the lowest rating on conservation of any congress of man to represent the state at 4%. >> next question for sanjay. >> congressman daines, you called to a montana-made solution as to how we manage the national forests and restore or -- our ailing timber industy. a bill has been pushed that mandates levels in three national forests. why not go for with a compromise that could get timber flowing and work forward to expand it to around the country as you said you would like to do? >> we had 30 active saw mills

growing up, and now we are down to 11. it isn't because of the housing industy has gone soft. we are at 65% because they cannot get enough timber. so john's bill was a good start, but it affected three national forests and hasn't gotten to the senate floor yet. we passed a bill in the house to restore healthy communities and it will create thousands of timber jobs and it will be there in perpetuity. the bill john had sunsets in 15 years. so it is a good start. but we have a bill that passed the house with bipartisan support. we have a bill moving forward and have a chance to pass a bill that deals with timber reform and bring back the timber industy. remember the libby loggers?

i had dinner one night with a couple of them, and they said you know how to describe lincoln county? poverty with a view. we need to change that. >> amanda, your response. >> when i was in the montana legislature, i saw hundreds of montanans show up and stay late into the night waiting to testify in favor of the forest jobs and recreational act. that bill was written by montanans and for montanans.

and he forsook that montana- made solution and favored a washington bill. he wanted to sell our public land to out of state developers. >> congressman daines? >> that last statement was false. we pushed to study all of the federal assets. for example, there is a federal building in washington, d.c., worth over a $100 million that have been vacant for 12 years. it might make sense to sell that building. but we will not allow the sale of public land here. and i will fight for that. there is two billon acres of montana land that is not accessible, and the bill i co-sponsored said we need to get to those two million acres so montanans have better access to their public lands. >> quick follow-up? >> sure. the bill he talked about was political grand standing and i know that because he went back and turned around and voted

against funding access to public lands. and how many more timber jobs will we have once they are done clearcutting the forests? it is not a sustainable solution. >> next question knows to jackie. >> representative curtis, immigration is raising serious concern about our national security, our economy, and now our public health. what do you think should be done to give america greater control over who enters the country while also satisfying the need of the workforce for labor? >> i have a biology degree, and i have spent hours working in labs, and i absolutely trust the best doctors in the world. those who are working for the centers for disease control and the national institute of health. it is important to fund the agencies that are responsible for protecting our country from

biological threats. congressman daines voted for a shutdown that cost those agencies millions of dollars and made it harder for those specialists to do their jobs. he voted against ending the sequestration that would have restored funding to the cdc and national institute of health. >> congressman daines? >> the question was on border security. we need to secure our border. representative poe from texas was along the rio grande talking to the brave men and women in the u.s. border patrol. he said from january 1 until early july, the border patrol had arrested people from 144 different countries, including three ukraine residents.

we must secure the borders for isis threats and ebola threats and for the national security of this nation. >> i will support responsible immigration reform and both sides of the aisle have worked together and put forth the bills that would increase the number of worker visas so unskilled labors up to workers with master's degrees in stem areas will be able to stay and work in the country and have a reasonable pathway to citizenship. that is the kind of working together that the i will represent as your next senator. >> mike? >> congressman daines, you have been talking about jumpstarting the economy and creating more jobs in montana. most of things you talked about

were in clearing the decks for business, making it easier to less regulation and lower taxes. how is this not just warmed-over trickle-down economics? if i am mischaracterizing that, tell me so. how have you shon you will help the middle class? >> one is moving forward with an energy security strategy. one of the greatest challenges for the middle class is getting a high paying job, but also high energy prices. we need to approve the keystone pipeline. i was in glascow, and they told me if the keystone xl pipeline is approved, those few thousands co-op customers will see no rate increase. if it isn't approved they will

see a 40% increase. and that is because they providing electricity to the pump stations. that is how you help the people living month to month. we do that by creating jobs and making sure energy prices are low. why are gas prices dropping in this country? because the saudis see the united states is going to be the leading oil producer in the world surpassing russia and saudi arabia in oil production. and that is not because of obama, that is in spite of obama. >> amanda curtis? >> you know, middle class montana, ask yourself are you better off in the last two years when we have had congressman daines? we sent more of the same to

washington, d.c., to vote for millionaires and billionaires and just heard it yourself. i have rolled out a plan that emphasizes small businesses as the backbone in the state and emphasises agriculture which is hampered at every part of the process by the corporate side. i will work with both side of the aisle to come up with solutions that work for all sectors of the economy, not just the biggest corporation corporations and the wealthiest individuals. >> rebuttal, congressman daines? >> you take a trip out to the hundreds of people that depend on coal. you go to the crow indian reservation, where they have a 50% unemployment rate, and

without the development of coal resources their unemployment rate would be 80% to 90%. how do you help the hard working taxpayers? you help them by making sure they have a job. that is county commissioners across montana support the timber bill. we get good, high-paying jobs in our natural resources industy here in montana. timber, oil, natural gas, coal, hydro, and all of it. but we need to make sure we continue to support and expand our coal production in montana. >> amanda, quick rebuttal. >> i will support the indian coal tax credit, and i understand how important energy is to our economy. i have actually spoken with the workers in the yellowstone county refineries who are very concerned their refining jobs are going to be shipped down that pipeline. >> just a couple minutes to go and i will take the last question, here on the campus of msu billings. and they had a poll out today

that showed in this race 20% to 25% of the people have not yet made up their minds. so give us your pitch, amanda, for these people sitting on the fence. they might determine who wins this. >> medicare and social security need to be preserved and who is going to do that? one of us, someone that understand these programs are programs that workers in montana have paid into for decades and should be able to retire without worrying where their groceries or health care is going to come from. our access to public lands needs to be preserved and who is going to do that? one of us. someone who understand that montanans are not able to take a vacation without access. certainly not a congressman who voted to sell off land and the congressman who received the

most amount of money from citizens united who thinks corporations are people and money is speech. montanans disagree with that. >> montanans want to see someone who has the experience growing jobs up and has an a-plus rating from the nra. a lot of montanans vote with their guns, and that is an important issue. it shows the extreme positions my opponent has taken, particularry relating to the second amendment. i stand for more jobs. we need someone who will stand up for montana, not obama. >> we have to go to our closing statement and you have the first. didn't didn't want you to use up your good information.

>> i want to thank the moderators and the people of montana for giving me the privilege of serving as your congressman for the past two years. i love our state, and it is an honor to serve as a congressman. i saw my mom and dad start up a home construction business, got a degree in engineering, and worked for 28 years creating good, high-paying jobs. perhaps that engineering background allows me to take a look at a problem and find a solution. that is why in my first year of congress, i was ranked as the number one most effective member of congress of 75. we were ranked number one because we moved legislation through and got things passed. we want more high-paying jobs and less government.

you know, we need washington, d.c., to look more like montana. we don't want montana to look more like washington, d.c. several months ago, i was at the yellowstone county fair and ran into a cowboy from eastern montana. he had leather hands and was over 90 years old and had a hunched back and a cowboy hat on. he said, steve, i fought in world war ii in europe. i fought for my country, but i grew up in eastern montana and i am glad to be here all my life. and he said with tears in his eyes i have never been so afraid for my country in my life. we need a new direction, a new president, and i will stand with

the people of montana, and i will not stand with president obama. i will thank you for coming tonight, and i will kindly ask for your support on november 4. >> amanda curtis, your time is now. >> i have agreed to take this nomination for several reasons. one would read that i would not have to run a negative personal campaign. my opponent has a voting record that cannot be ignored. his voting record clearly shows how out of touch he is with montanans needs. voters deserve to be as fully informed as they can when they go to cast their ballots, and one debate two weeks after ballots dropped is not what we asked for. it is certainly a lot less than montana voters deserve. but it is a start. i think after tonight, every room can see there is a crystal-clear choice for montana

. between congressman daines, the congressman montana has ever had, or myself, a woman who is truly one of us, who understands our struggles, working month to month without ever getting ahead because d.c. policies tilts the playing field against us at every turn. work with anyone who is willing to come up with solutions that help all sec ears of the economy, not just the biggest corporations in the wealthiest individuals. i will support montana made solutions to accessing our public lands, and science-based management of our forest and our wildlife. i will protect and preserve programs like medicare and social security that keep montanans in their home and their communities.

i will vote for equal pay for equal work, and raising the minimum wage, because we all know that the best way to stimulate the economy is to empower the middle class and working families. thank you for having me. [applause] >> you can find the rest of this online for a retake you live now to the big 12 college of letting conference in washington dc to talk about the state of college sports. this is the first afternoon panel. former college athlete, and offensive langman at northern illinois. the director of athletics at tcu. he asserted that positions and 2009. steve utterson is the university of texas athletics director.

among other roles he was general etsager of the houston rock and portland trail blazers. writer from sports illustrated, who covers both the well and basketball. he worked for the new york times where he was nominated for a pulitzer prize. commissioner had planned to be with us today, but he is homer cooper rating from surgery. we'll want wish him the best. all opinions expressed today are those of the panels themselves, and do not represent the organizations with which they are represented. our regional or of the national board relations ruled that the players should be allowed to form a union.

that was only a day after the so-called big five f what it conferences, in essence, broke away from the arrest of the -- from the rest of the ncaa. fow does the commerce of college sports now change? has do not know that it changed all that much over the years. for a long time schools have competed. it is a part of the american culture. movements toen regulate that, going back more than 100 years. i think what we see our greater student services, greater facilities, larger coaching contracts am a bigger staff than we had in the past.

the reality is we want to provide the best student the bestwe can to have outcomes from our student athletes that we can. a lot of resources. to generate those resources you have to have media contracts, sell a lot of tickets, and one of merchandise, and all of the other things that provide those revenues to revive those services. -- provide those services. >> if you look at it from the evolution of college athletics, ncaa, is 22e of years. it think about the popularity of football today, used to have a limited scholarships back in the day. then it went to 110, 95, and today it is 85. today, the popularity of college

athletics, football in particular, is second to none. yet we are running a business based on people's passion, that say that we must have two support 23eams to sports based on your student population. how we fund college athletics has changed, and the idea that -- we are put in the position today, what are we providing for our student athletes? it is no longer the handshake. there is tremendous pressure to perform. the demands of winning, the demands of keeping her coach, the man's of providing opportunities for young people are ever greater. we always have to see it evolving. >> when it really meant, was given what has happened within the last year, specifically

within the last few months, the prospect of change. do you foresee business being in done any differently, given the possibility that your model may change? >> that is a different question. know about college athletics is that it is ever-changing. be when you start to think about the ramifications of the o'bannon case and the stipend that was put toward, that was good to put tremendous pressure on college athletes, because for us at tcu, getting into the big 12 conference has been great, but our or just owner has been the institution. his newfound money actually goes back to the that these so programs can become truly self-sufficient. we are part parcel of an

institution for a t. the success of our athletic program and the rise of tcu, we're up to 20,000 for the same 1600 spots. that affect title ix? we have not even talked about that. hell at no fury like a woman scorned? really? have two daughters that are going to say pay the fiber. how do we do that -- pay the piper. how do we do that? steve, you have spent a considerable amount of time covering college sports. the numbers. cost ofou see the attendance changing and affecting the way colleges and universities in their athletic departments do business? >> and will be different for how

schools managed to do this. whether or not there will be this continuing effort to try to raise more money and generate more money through commercial enterprises, or whether or not this is going to be the kind of thing that perhaps better justifies institutional involvement in supporting college athletic programs. the trend has been making athletic programs self-sufficient, and this is almost creating a perpetual motion machine. it is increased pressure to increase revenue, which is an in turn making so much revenue generated that the general public, people who are lawyers, judges, are looking at this and going wow, there is so much money generated here that something more needs to be done athletes.

the athletes are entitled for compensation for the way they are participating in the generation of that money. asis interesting questions to how colleges want to deal with this, and what impact of that will be. we continued to further perpetuate this. >> patrick, chris mention the impact on title ix. in here earlier, speaking about olympic sports, aski guess you could about the olympic sports, the nonrevenue sports. greatestix was the thing to happen to college athletics, and to the united states olympic team. if you go back and look at the women's games in the london games, they would have finished third in the medal count just by the women alone. we are benefited immensely by the inclusion of women in sport and i dare safe we are not the best culture of inclusion in

sport, i do not think that anybody can say they are better than us. fore ix has been fantastic us. but there is a harsh reality. of anresses and finances unplugged program could come under. no one has ever lost their job because of the poor performance of their olympics or program. people pay attention to basketball, to football, and the metrics i which they get their donors and fanned raising done, and their sponsorships and the tv contracts. there are a lot of implications of the event have negatively .mpacted supporting programs increasing the cost for the universities for their student at leeds. you look at how many wrestling programs around the entry have shrunk over the years.

the number of domestic programs that have shrunk to get that balance. make no doubt about it that the olympic sport programs are more under threat than they have ever been. the topic of this panel is supposed to be about morning. it certainly has been in the news, allegedly selling his autograph and should a player real loud to sell his own like this -- should a player be allowed to sell his own likeness? >> that is a great question. iggy good through recruiting, through boosters and whatnot. there is a black market in college football. have basketball

fueled by boosters. you have a billion dollar business dedicated unfree labor, and this is to fuel the billion daughter is dollar beast. is happy withne the way it is working out right now, the black market existing in the shadows as it does. if you start to allow people to use their likeness to make money, which conceptually is very easy -- he should be able to make money all caps off intergraph -- off of his autograph, it opens onto pandora's box. how much, where does it go? them, you canwith automatically get this much. consequencesended

of those who have not sat on the baseline and watched how the world works pret. realitynot know how the is. what university could afford -- it will become a bottleneck competition. everyone is looking for an .verage everywhere i go in the reality of the application of the it could get very tricky. we see these autographed guys who look like you're are scum of the earth guys trying to make money off of kids. it would open up a lot of really scary doors. it is something that i think i'm

a once you get to full cost of attendance, once you go past that margaret gets really complicated. -- that marker it gets really complicated. this very complicated injunction behind the o'bannon decision, i think there is some sensitivity behind that. that is what makes the list next , the onesawsuits involving martin jenkins, the player that is representative i jeff kessler, these big cases that could cost the school a lot of money in damages through retroactive to deferential between cost of attendance and grant aid, and what the future would be with the ability of get.te to this becomes a really big deal. i think that is why the judge

was trying to create some ink that was similar in between. it is a very difficult issue to balance. the lawyers that litigate that case even now are trying to decipher what the judgment in certain ways in the way the ruling and injunction were set up. attendance describes , it might be as much as $4000 or more per year. the ones who lives in same saint do not have the staying numbers -- state do not have the same numbers.

there isd of the day this misperception that the labor is free in college athletics. that is not accurate and if you're a full ride football player at the university of texas, the benefit you get for room, board, books, tuition, training, and medical, it is $69,000 a year. that is tax-free. that put you at the top third of the household incomes of the united days. if you're a basketball player it is $77,000 a year. i do not think that student athletes are being taken advantage of when they are in top third or quartile of household incomes in the united hates. states.d alumni,ing, networking, things that benefited me in my career.

i realized that quite quickly. theree program itself was for you to succeed, to have the tutors, to have the individual specialization. nearly 20 years later, it is nearly hard to quantify some of those costs as a former and he -- former athlete who by looking at me you can tell i never went to bed hungry. it really get an opportunity to really do more than just playing football. fixed an enhanced student areas, beyond what the normal ets, but it really is wonderful. >> i will back his point on this. i did a study several years and go, we looked at the value of

the men's basketball scholarship. it is $120,000 when you look at all of the things that he pours anin. there are other things that have actual real value that you can tally up with a mission to games and other things that people do not think about. during a.m. practices spring break? [laughter] i would take that out. >> you know the letter than i do, but in terms of the demands that are placed on the athletes, i think that is where the friction begins to come in. we heard inthings the o'bannon case, and that testimony of what the athletes do, what they feel they have to do, what they are expected to

do, and the nature of that trade-off. works in thee nature of the pressures and demands that are placed on the athletes in addition to the amount of money that is being generated based on what they are doing. i agree with steve paterson, and i let him down the road by saying free labor. to bed hungryy go narrative is one of the all-time full narrative that could ever be eventuated in the history of .ollege if you really parrot on the math of these guys, there is no way, if he is going to bed hungry, that is his own fault. i've spent a week behind the

state, andississippi let it tell you i gained five pounds being in their building. these guys come off the field have shakes specifically made to their flavor taste, weight gain, weight loss and they go into the arms will be there is a snack bar. that headline became a toxic thing. these athletes should be fed, if there's one thing they should eding limit it is fe athletes, it is in of them with medicare. it is a great thing for everybody. i do not think you will get anyone around sports to ag it is a misuse of what they are giving. >> i think this narrative, that

said, probably has something to do with it. establishment is making millions and millions of dollars. are kids whohere come for nothing and have their noses pressed up against the window and saying where's mine. that is not fair. have to say -- outside of the g.i. bill, college athletics provides the largest need case in america and united days. i came from a children's home in taos new mexico. my all it was through spo rt. the second year they dropped

feel to luckily vision.rbara got my last year we had 85 kids graduate from texas christian university. only one went row. pro. other kids all those were good to go out and do phenomenal things, but we focus on one who did not have enough munchies. if you knew what we give them, holy cow, there is no way he is starving. you're giving him a full ride to go to war. decision. a lot of time those kids are first-generation kids, never happened opportunity to do something . in four, butlaying we continue their education until they earn their degree.

boys, we look at all of this money over here, and we look at the 523 campus athletes and what they are doing throughout their lives, and that is part of the problem. -- thereave been know knows rest against the window, and you say you are getting a raw deal, they say no to her. they say i cannot thank you enough. >> you guys have the greatest renown for doing things that create most of the revenue that support a lot of the other athletes. in some cases, they are also , it who are 50 years

results in tough circumstances for these guys whether it is medical, whether nor not they did not give an indication that jobs. them to get we did a story for years ago guys who talkout to us about getting degrees the result in them not being qualified to take off to do something meaningful in their lives. basisrstand on a broader that there are a lot of people who are in sports outside of football and basketball who would tell you this is the greatest thing. >> my job is to tell you it is half all. full. >> i do nothing necessarily the phone to ask questions of the glass is half full.

>> i am a sociology major. i grew up, it was a phenomenal major for me. criminal justice major, or when everyone to bn, social ce, there is no major you can hide in. look at that as an opportunity for that one individual to leave their place and go to school and get whatever degree it may be. are they better off than where they were? that is a key question. are they better off than where they were, and can become a productive member of society? 8%.-2 >> your average lifetimes earnings are $1 million more.

i think it is somewhere between the two weights. -- points. an offense ofng lineman, and he asked us what our majors are were going to be. major inwas going to english, and he said are you sure you got that right? the newes, and he said better not get any bad grades this semester. there were those guys that mail the van academically with the -- nailed it in academically, without a doubt. and then there were guys who got zero point grade averages and got kicked out of school. you were given the opportunity, and there are a lot of reasons why or why not choose or do not choose. i do think that while that can

happen, there's also opportunity for the athletes as well. >> from an academic these, we're just seeing the competitiveness of american colleges and theersities a mile high and senior class that is graduating now, one third of them would not even as freshmen now. the football is on a plane here and here, and that is why you're seeing the stuff at notre dame. a lot of places have these if you wantars, and to be competitive in major football you need to get the kids who barely qualified. that is going to create a lot more situations than we have seen now at institutions that are actually educating the kids.

the places that do have an academic soul. you will see the pressure, kids cheat, kids do different things because that is inherent to the situation. those inherent pressures are one of the problems that is arising, that we kind of see on the bottom line when wide receiver x gets -- see those who major in dance go to school for dance. to school for football, they wonder why you're going for organizational studies .

you're advocating for them to be part of the student experience. you're not saying that this should not be part of your routine, this should not be part of you developing as a young woman or young man. of credit forlot that for not just doing with >> it is easy to have the discussion that followed around the left and 1% of student athletes that could go on to process. even then there is a career for less than four years. the reality is even in a place that is successful that the university of texas has been, one of the top three baseball programs in the country with less -- with less than one steadfastly that goes onto plate. that does on to play.

we average three or four that gets a chance to be on the nfl roster. out of the 500 plus kids on campus, there may be three or four or five that go on to play in the pros. our job is to manage outcomes. folks come in with all kinds of gpas and sat's scores. he have minimums now. core courses required. do not talk about either problems in education leading up to college. .nglish and math skills we are like in the 20's compared to the rest of the countries. not doing a great job there. you are right, as sat and gpa could not get in today. i could not get into the. that is what is going on at universities all over america.

manage that? what do you do as administrators? provide --sure we hire the right kind of people that can provide services to student athletes. we have one-on-one support. we make sure we manage to get through it and stay on track on time. we provide services for them to come back if they do not graduate on time but are a baseball player and want to make it after the third year. we pay for them to come back and finish their career. about a dozen came back. injuredsure if they get we provide medical services for them up to two years after they lead to make sure they are healthy. weprovide these to make sure managed this effectively.

>> you left out matthew mcconaughey. we laughedity is about someone like matthew mcconaughey. often times much more important that someone has a chance to meet someone like brent macomb, a great entrepreneur and can help kids get a job and start their career and go on and foster their career as you go forward. contextshose kinds of into open move on with the career. >> looks like something that was want -- you wanted to add. question, do we need the double -- andy -- ncaa? >> we need something. it has always amused me that these schools would break away. inevitably there will will be some type of a structure.

this is geared around the idea of everyone trying to keep everyone else from cheating or doing something to get an advantage over someone else. whether it is under the ncaa office or other entity we have not thought the name of, seems there will inevitably be some kind of underlying governments, something to hold the enterprise together. >> more and more autonomy. >> the federal government. >> i understand. we have done a poor job. nc2a.e the and s they have done a great job in terms of academic reform, reliance reform. really started out as safety.

the injuries that came up. the things that have happened, we have needed them and there have been great things that they have done a poor job of talking about why we need it and what they do for us. .e make them up our leadership is on the board of directors. they are a necessity. conferences really took power when the tv contracts broke up in 1983. eligibility and compliance as part of it. that is it. .onferences have taken over the board was taken over way back when. now you have two different entities. you have the and see two a on the site. they are still governed by us as members.

today we are at the economic model, which is big numbers. back in 1985, they talk about adding cost of attendance to the membership. full cost of attendance. the membership could not agree ,ecause of the time the bodies division ii. our division ii and division i at the time. the same boat and legislative power that the usc had. two different schools. that does not even make sense in terms of economics. agree on it now. today we can do that. >> that seems like the perfect opportunity to transition into a discussion about the big five and new model. the college football national championship, i mentioned that before.

i am not sure i have the number of right. estimated $600 million per year. how is going forward with this big five model, how will that with bige economics pieces like this television contract for the football playoffs and march madness? what will the world look like for your schools and perhaps schools like the one you used to work for. , texask about this christian university, writes? five conferences in 16 years. we started out with southwest conference. todid everything we could get back into the top 12. that was the goal. we had a perfect storm. we hired a chance learned that is a vision second to none.

our campus has grown and back to a place where we are today where we wanted to be and we are in. that is fantastic. it is daunting. i thought once we got it and would be a call motion. . i understood where they were going. our faculty wants to be harvard -- harvested monday through friday. texas christian university sunday. i suffer from adult add. think about that. business based a on people's passion. it is crazy. >> what do you say to a school like fresno state that has a highly competitive football program. >> they are not. >> for the next tranche of

school, our revenues went up a little less. for those schools, and went up five times. it has went up a little less than twice. next five, the tv revenue went up five time. they actually caught up from where they were before. when you look at it, the percentage is less. takes a lot less money. a valid or may not be way of looking at it. i am not disputing there is more money there for everybody. that and how much more there is outside for those or thosestant --

institutions in taupo schools make up that cap i think will be an interesting question, and what does that result in for what college athletics look like as a result of that you go will they be allowed to tailor the program in order to do certain things. this is what was touched on earlier. how will the money be allocated and what will be the impact on the athletic programs? theor us, all of distributions from the big 12 and ncaa are 22% of the revenue. the rest we generate ourselves on campus. if you look at the relative allocations, total dollars, about twice as much. the reality is if you look at where eyeballs are generated,

top five conferences. not on the next five or the ones thereafter. i think they cut a good deal. they are better off today than they were before. >> i think the cap has always been there. has always been there. this branding has perpetuated the perception. the financial cap has always been huge. while i do have empathy because they will have to fight that they are high have not, they were have not two years ago but just not white to find. they also have if you go back and extrapolate out, a couple would have gotten in. you would have gotten in one year at tcu. you finished the top four. >> three or four times. what i am saying is i think they have done a poor job for the playoffs of letting people know

is 13-0 and they are that good, they can still get in . i will not say they doubled dogs, but the whole point is life is prettyin similar. what they are fighting for is perception. i agree with steve that you can say five times as much and all that. easy to be cynical but at the end of the day, they are about where they were. >> it is going to get more difficult over time for the cap to be overcome. the cap occurring now between texas budgeting and other schools in division i, it is gap goes widert c and wider. does that mean it is impossible to compete on any level?

maybe yes, maybe no. there are teams in baseball and other sports that have risen up to do cool things. i happen to think, and there are a lot of people who have spent a lot of businessmen. those conferences at the moment are under leveraged. companies like ing are wagering a lot of money that the businesses are under leveraged. they are paying b-schools a lot of money thinking they will be able to commercially recoup that and get even more money. how does that cycle continued to go and what will be the impact

is a really interesting question as to where all of this goes. termsnique perspective in of where we were and economics. ?> where would you rather be >> deemed just told you how great life is that fresno state. -- steve just told you. look up from this perspective, is economic when i was in the conference. things were happening. at today,where we are one is perception. two is the big boys. i was the new york yankees. i have the biggest budget. today i am in the big 12. i have the lowest budget. 100 thousand seat stadium. rolling and 45,000. the economics are still that. we're are in a position now where we wanted to be in the big

12. the best and biggest conference in our region. sincee been playing texas 1900. we lost last week. the idea is we have been playing the schools for a long time. when the conference shifts, we .re not playing regional drawls the television has determined these five inferences drive all of the traffic. think about that. a the david and goliath. in terms of every given saturday. look at the ratings for television and who is driving the traffic. if you are a school running an athletic program based on people's passion. wanting to do what is right for your institution. what we wanted for the president and student body, everyone wanted us where we wanted to be

but i can look back and say wait a minute. this has been going on. there are only two schools that made it. us and utah. that is it. an interesting dynamic when you brother in i were the room same where would you rather be? everyone would want to be in the big 12. >> really comes down to the constituents deciding how much they want to invest. it could be from school, alumni, other donors, the student body, businesses. bighwestern is not a school, tcu is not a big school. heckuva battle on thanksgiving. i do not know who is going to win. if the schools want to create an environment over who was going to invest in athletics because

they perceived value to the university, they can make that investment. sit on thei do is outside and criticize the system. plenty of schools have made a conscious decision not to invest. some of the most successful universities in the country. the ivy league will not blow away. chicago has not disappeared. they are great universities. >> what does the future look like for the schools that choose not to make the investments? what do you think you go >> i do not think they will be in position to take advantage of the eyeballs chris is talking about. >> that is like a chicken and kind of argument.

i am prepared to make the investment if you let me into the big 12 and i get more tv money. , how am intime supposed to make that happen? do i run up student fees. do we take institutional money and drive more of that? those are the kinds of questions that these kinds of schools are having to start to grapple with. government of the state. i look at hawaii entryways that is an outlier program, but that is facing unbelievably difficult choices. there are state legislators in the state who upheld the solution believing that the state government should help support. you can debate. on a public-policy level or whether that is a good investment for the state of hawaii but there

are lot of these decisions that get made that create financial situations for people who do not are on ay in it and student fee basis, whether or not the fee structure for university for students ought to be driven by those considerations. i think that raises legitimate questions. tcu wantedof course to get back into the big 12 where your roots are from. we beat northwestern earlier this year so we can trade notes for thanksgiving. if you look at my school, they to thinkc and went on they would do bigger and better things. at that point they went independent. they travel to the big west and many places. they came back to realize it was a perfect fit. they wanted to focus on being a midtierthe midterm -- conference.

one of the downsides is they do not have the downside program. texas does or texas christian does. they didn't feel comfortable that that was where they wanted to be as a school. they have been pretty successful in terms of winning football -- being partwing of university. i do not know is every school is trying to be in or out. i was at rice university from 2006-2009. i remember being interviewed. my fifth anniversary at tcu. i was at the board room and

asked two questions. can he raise money for a football stadium and get us into a bcs conference? board of trustees and chancellor. want to do that? you in this room will build a football stadium. note that. this is what we will do. is just my story. our story. we have six people who gave us 15 million each. a lot of nickels and dimes. the idea is this is waived before the big 12. this is the ambition of what we needed to do.

this was awe-inspiring to have a chancellor and board with this audacious goal that working there was fantastic but to have donors say this is what we want to do. not knowing the light at the end of the tunnel. that whole thing went out. up brand-newth fastball arena. donor funds. one thing the chancellor has challenged the donors, the athletic program will not be an encumbrance on the institution for debt. we will go raise the money. that has been fantastic. the raised level. we're more than athletic program but a great institution. that was the goal. that was the university.

our culture decided that was good enough. >> i think it is great and speaks well to the university and speaks well to your ability to convince the people to donate, but you look at a school like university of california which has dumped hundreds of millions of dollars into their facilities and some of that was of footballretrofit stadium over an earthquake fault. that is a different setup than what you are talking about. the california athletic department has a model that works for now but if it does not and something craters, where is the money coming from? is that money coming from this eight or students? what impact will that have on the bond rating for the university and the downstream impact of that on students that

they are having to do all that. road, thosedown the are the kinds of questions that you guys are having to deal with and students are to some extent have a voice and to some extent for east it upon them. >> the department of education says you cannot do that any longer. it is now a big-ticket that says -- that replaced what used to be called the attacks that everybody had to pay. we actually wound up with better revenues, more students buying them and a better product for students because we asked them. say you areir to

imposing something on the student body. their board of regents fit. though the very short timeframe and have to go fix it now. out of the 300 million they spent, 175 million cost them know revenue and no improvement in the customer experience. this could have been a different symptoms. we will go play where the raiders play. we will not have football in a more. they made the decision to keep it or it was. that is their decision. >> i am not disagreeing that is their decision. there are situations where very moderate or small voice for whether they see increases.

>> i think you are misinformed on that. >> that is not true. structurese fee where they are decided on by the board, a governing board. and maybe student butesentatives on the board that will be one vote. there are different vehicles for the student to do things. the nt of instances where these kinds of fee increase have occurred. you cannot canvas 75,000 students and make a decision about what you will do. , just from our perspective it will make a difference. i cannot speak or every institution. we have chosen to be raked in all endeavors. if you look at recurring a fact,

and i use this all the time, and we will recruit the great chemistry students, we can use 1950 funds and burners, you have to evolve and recruit and at tcu we are trying to compete with texas, harvard, yale, princeton for the finest students in the country to come. u.s. news and world report ranking where johnny is going to go to school. ranked academically. today we are ranked 72nd in the country are we are recruiting the finest to come to our campus. it you have to invest in. as we do not talk about that type -- part of the business. three between two and weeks of the university budget. i think that 90%.

but 3% of the entire project. are the focus is such a narrow focus. -- but the focus is such a narrow focus. lex christina just ask you something. what is the answer. side.ve been on the other >> i could not tell you that. we're in the right spot, medium market. but what are the investments you , that wereto make part of programs you were associated with. well the dumb luck of the sec coaching schools that allow them to come in.

they could've built a fancy medium. they would still leave the yankees. >> always in the big east. we expanded and joined the big east. syracuse pit. sold the dallas cowboys. >> we are here to talk about money. in terms of the investment we make, think about it, we do not know when we made the investments we made with an unknown future. the mountain west conference. that is our choice. i wouldn't continue to move forward? we did not need -- did not know what was going to be there. position,re in a

never underestimate a college keg party. or here is the deal, i am in college with a guy named jamie dixon, a basketball coach. i i'm coming in. we can conquer the big east in 2009. this is it we need to talk to. .hat was our our audacious goal they maintain their points. we came in, there was a perfect marriage. who knew missouri in a and m were going to leave? we would have been content in the big east knowing what we knew then. because of our geography and done