age of 83 -- 93 years old. courtesye comes to us of new england cable news and is moderated by meet the press chuck todd. this is live coverage here. >> the capitol center for the arts, and the university of new hampshire. seat,or the u.s. senate jeanne shaheen and scott brown. journalists, of alison king, dante scala, and allie morris. todd, host of nbc's meet

the press. [applause] >> good evening. from concord, new hampshire, we are here on debate night. we have a one-hour debate on other issues. will get questions from myself, from the panel, and the candidates at some point will also ask each other a question. we have a great crowd with the big they have promised not to be an active participant that active listeners. we will give them one chance to energy out of their systems. [applause]

>> now to debate time. there is not a lot of baseball being followed in new england. that is why this crowd is excited. the department of homeland security will warrant travelers from the three west african countries dealing with ebola will have enhanced screening for the disease. senator brown, you call for a travel ban. senator shaheen, you opposed a ban. is today's announcement by the department of homeland security enough? >> no, it's not. what's happening, we have a couple of weeks ago the president said we are not point any issues read we are going to stamp it out. we've had one person die and to others infected. we need to have a travel ban, absolutely. leaving are coming into

those countries that needs to stop, they cannot get here. -- the president has given an incoherent policy. he said it's not going to come here and then it has. the direction from the cdc has been confusing. i did call for a travel ban. glad that the president and senator shaheen is coming forward and moving forward in this regard. we need to make sure this does not come in. the time is now three >> senator shaheen? >> ebola is a serious threat. ibo are concerned about it. it is a new disease. it is serious. i think we have to look at taking every action necessary to keep people safe. including a travel ban if we can figure out that improves the situation. it reminds me of when i was governor after september 11 and there was the threat of anthrax and other bioterrorism. i brought together officials in

the state to come up with protocols with how to respond, and we are seeing actually some of those plans, the early warning system, are still in place today. we do need protocols. we saw some changes in that today from the cdc. we need to make sure people can get access to equipment and there is training, and resources that local public health officials and state officials need in order to address this threat. >> let me address this. what is a bigger threat to new hampshire residents, the flu or ebola? >> it depends on who you are speaking with. people are concerned about a few things. travel comingola, into our countries without proper authority caring diseases, being terrorists. there are a lot of concerns. it depends on who you talk with. i want to continue on what senator shaheen said.

she did come up with protocol and came with a plan. the president has not come up with a coherent plan. with nonted a czar experience in this area whatsoever. it is a political appointment. i don't think it helps at all. he hasn't even been to the meetings. we are in an emergency situation. i'm thankful senator shaheen broke in that regard. >> what is the bigger threat? >> we know that more people have died each year from the flu than we have seen from the threat from ebola to date. the fact is this is a serious disease. people are concerned about it because it is new. we've seen the dallas hospital made mistakes. we need to address this disease. we need to make sure the public has as much information as possible. we need to work together. what we donated it is people who are fear mongering, spreading

panic. this is seriously need to work together. that is what i have tried to do. i have been disappointmed my opponent has raised concerns without talking that we can do to address the issue. >> very quickly, 30 seconds. >> i'm not fear mongering pre-i'm talking about something that is relevant. has been no coherent policy from the president. i called for a travel ban immediately, didn't do anything inappropriate. others have actually joined in and i'm thankful the senator has broken with the president to join with me. >> senator shaheen, imagine you're at home wearing your new hampshire citizen had in you get a following -- you get a question from a pollster. do you approve of the job the

president is doing? some ways i approve, and some things i don't. questions that we deal with as policymakers their art simple answers. are simple answers frequency of said you are the candidate for the citizens of new hampshire. you go with the president 99% of the time. because of obama's approval ratings, how does your voting record jive with serving the citizens of new hampshire? >> i work for new hampshire. scott brown talks a lot about one survey, 99% of the time that i voted with the president. the numbers i'm proudest of are the 359 people who were now working at the prison because i

was able to get the prison opened half after it sat empty for two years. and the 1200 people who were being foreclosed on in their homes who are offered -- who are offers worked with. they can get close to home because of the legislation that we got into the veterans reform bill. what we need is a senator who is going to work for new hampshire. who is going to make sure we address the concerns we hear from our constituents, willing to work with democrats, republicans, independents, anybody in washington who can help us get the job done. me.he just described i was the most bipartisan senator in the united states senate. every survey has senator shaheen as being one of the most partisan senators. she has but with the president 99% of the time. what does that mean for new hampshire? she was the deciding vote for obama care.

-- voted for every [indiscernible] deductibles are going up dramatically. costs are going up. care coverage is going down. she has voted to put in place a system where we have more and more gridlock by voting with her party over 99% of the time. that is part of the program -- part of the problem. >> senator brown, you help propel you to the u.s. senate, tens of thousands of residents are now eligible for health insurance under the state medicaid expansion plan. you have synergy wanted to repeal the law. had you tell these people they no longer have health insurance. likes you are assuming obamacare is the only answer. we have the ability to develop a plan that addresses those concerns. we can address what you reference, pre-existing care,

covering kids to a certain age. dealing with catastrophic care and coverage, all sorts of things. we can develop a plan that works for us. senator shaheen put forth a bill she did not read. recorder the trillion dollars of cubs come from senior medicare. medical devise companies are being crushed as a result of this. when you're talking that health care, i want everyone to have health care. i supported bill that did just that. we can do the same thing here. we have great leaders watching and listening and we can do it in our own way that respects rights and freedoms, addresses competition. when she was in charge as governor she change the law. we lost our insurance companies. we only have one. >> the fact is we have 100,000 people now who are getting access to health care because of

the affordable care act here. i believe people in new hampshire should have access to affordable, quality health care. if you listen to what scott brown is proposing he would kick tens of thousands of people in new hampshire off of health insurance without any plan to replace it. i don't think people want to go back to a time where if you had a pre-existing condition you lost, you could get health insurance. ,f you had a chronic disease and you've reached your lifetime or annual limit you got kicked off of your health care. if you are 26 years old you couldn't stay on your parent's plan. we don't want to go back to a time where health insurance the terminal people got. >> senator brown, are you misleading the public by perpetuating this repeal idea? nobody seems to be serious about repeal option. >> i think that is false. plenty of people want to repeal it.

if you speak to the people of you can go to north country tractor, one of the reasons they are not hiring is because of obama care and the penalties. you look at a mom like my mom who works one job when she could and 5060 hours. she can't do that anymore. to think i don't want people to have access to health care. what has been references the businessman coming after the election. the businessman day going to crush businesses now. the cost of ghana. they're getting notices right now. it is real. >> is repeal a priority? >> i voted five times to repeal it. >> senator shaheen? i hear democrats say they want to fix parts of obama care. what is a fixed bill you would like to introduce?

>> like any other major issue health care is something we have to continue to address as we implemented. one of the things that i have proposed is an independent ceo that would oversee the health care website. we saw issues with the rollout. opponent and to my me, this is a fundamental .ifference i believe people in new hampshire should be able to get access to health care. if you listen to what he is proposing he would throw tens of thousands of people off of their health care without any plan to repeal it. he wants to throw people off. think most people want to go back to a time when they didn't have health care. >> is this the crowd a compliment for you? >> absolutely. making sure almost 100,000 people in new hampshire have access to health care is progress for people.

>> we will have more health care. .ante has the next question likes to use of new hampshire's new medical marijuana law? the federal government has a role in the nation's drug laws as well. it classifies marijuana as the most dangerous type of drug. should get continued? should the federal government continue to classify marijuana the same way as it does heroin or treat marijuana like alcohol? >> i do support the medical marijuana law. we're seeing some states who have allowed marijuana for recreational purposes. i'm not ready to go there yet. i think we need more studies on what the impact of marijuana would be. there is a role for the federal government and education, and training, and to provide treatment. epidemic in new hampshire and new england.

addiction to heroin starts with addition.on drug we need 20 dress that great i don't need another drug coming attention offake the need to address those treatments for heroine addiction and making sure that law enforcement have the resources that they need, it is one of the things i have worked on after talking to police chiefs. we were to get the resources they need to address the issue. >> are you for reclassifying it? >> no. >> thank you for your question. i have similar beliefs to senator shaheen on this. purposes, in the event that somebody has a disease they have tried everything, and it doesn't work, there should be an fda approved to have the ability to get treatment. i'm not in favor of what is

happening in colorado. not in favor of changing the classification. i will continue to work to address the other concerns we have had with caroline -- with heroin and severe drug use we have seen around the country great it israel. -- around the country great it is real. clancy have suggested isis could ome across u.s. border -- >> you have suggested isis could, through the u.s. border. >> with respect, i did not say that. isis israel. -- isis is real. we had an opportunity to keep a transition force.

a bipartisan letter to the administration said please leave a transition force their great senator shaheen did not sign that letter. she chose to stand with president obama. when your document how people come to the knotted states, we have evidence people have come to the border illegally. is there a possibility it has been raised? there are people coming through the border, what are their intentions? they have made it clear they want to plant the flag in the white house. our goal is to make sure that does not happen. the clearest way is to make sure we close the border. i voted to secure the border. has stood with president obama and has not done that. think you should have left it force in iraq? >> i think that is revisionist history grade the threat from isis isael -- from

real. don't support sending tens of thousands of troops back into iraq as an occupying force. the agreement to withdraw troops was negotiated by george w. bush when we couldn't get an agreement in iraq for the protections for our troops. there was an agreement to withdraw them. i don't think we should send force.ck as an occupying we need to address the threat of isis. this is another issue where we need serious people working together in a way that is going threat.ss this not fear mongering and raising claims that it will bring down the country. >> the issue of combat troops. do you think the president should have taken them off the table? >> to correct the record, i've

never suggested we should send combat troops i questioned senator shaheen. what i have suggested is the president and senator shaheen have taken that off the table. immediately. we have the greatest fighting force in the world and we have taken off the table. general dempsey may come back with a recommendation that we may need ground troops. we have advisers on the ground right now. we have choppers in the air right now. isis is not taking anything off the table. my question to the president and senator seeking has been what happens at airstrikes don't work? then what? what if they get bigger and bigger and exporting terrorism around the world? they are bank robbers. they have robbed banks. dave camp more equipment -- they have gained more equipment. we need to make sure we do something about it.

>> would you be open to doing it if general dempsey is saying it? >> i'm not going to speculate. >> should it be an option? >> general dempsey has said we are not a to do that now. we need to support the iraqis. they have 200,000 people in the iraqi army. we should support the kurd fighters, they are doing a good job. i don't think we want to do is send back an occupying force of tens of thousands of americans. suggested when he was being interviewed that we should be thinking about that. in terms of the troops that we have had in korea. we've had troops in korea for 60 years. i don't think we want to send troops back in the middle east to do that. we want to continue the airstrikes. address isisay to at this point.

>> i'm going to stay on this point. the arab spring, democracy first, now there is revisionist. supporting regimes that are the most democratic. what should be the foreign-policy priority? stability or democracy? democracy led to an ally we didn't like, a group of people that people of united states in light. >> there are different views by different people. let's take syria. we knew it was a terrible regime. we actually said we were point to draw a redline if they did something. a mere going to do something. we did nothing. that sent a powerful message to our allies. the president's foreign-policy, and arecomes to isis issues has been incoherent, it has been confusing.

senator shaheen is part of the committee that has endorsed those policies. we need to make a determination based on the facts on the ground. we need to move forward with a clear and coherent policy. that is the policy. going to do what we did not rack? we had an opportunity. it was president obama who pulled those troops outcome who did not want to do a status of forces agreement. as of that void we have isis. >> stability or democracy? as part of our american foreign-policy we should be supporting democracy in other countries. obviously in some cases when you support democracy it doesn't always turn out the way you want. syriansent talks about drawing the redline. i'm one of 10 people who voted to take action in searing because i thought when we drew a

redline on those chemical weapons we needed to address that. i think as we look at what is happening in syria and iraq, what we need to do is encourage the iraqis to try and form a more inclusive government. that, thehey do better they are going to take on isis. >> do you think the president blinked? he should have done airstrikes? >> i think when america draws the line in the sand it's important for us to follow through. 10 whoy, i was one of voted to do that because i thought it was important. i think now, the result of that action, fortunately isis does not have access to those weapons . >> where are you on this? >> of course he should've backed

agreed right now it is something different. we don't know who we are providing support with. that shouldn't happen a long time ago. also our top among revisionist history, it was an opportunity to leave that transition forced to advise them of how they should form their government. endorsed that -- the senate endorsed that policy. we have to establish trust. the best way to do that is to change direction. >> immigration. is there any part of the senate bill, and i know it is a compromise, specifically on the visas, dose is -- you think it is pro-worker enough when it comes to

importing more guestworkers? >> we have a broken immigration system. we need to address that in a comprehensive way. we need to address the visa system. it is not working for our farming industry, for high tech companies here. startsl that we passed with addressing security at the border. -- it provides additional resources for interdiction and put in place a verify system so people can make sure that employers can make sure the people they are hiring .re actually legal here this is the approach we should be taking. it is comprehensive and has been disappointing to hear my opponent doesn't support this comprehensive immigration reform bill. it passed the senate with a strong bipartisan vote.

i think we should urge the house to take up the bill and pass it. approach a different to immigration. we need to secure the border. it is not being secured. that bill created incentives during that coming out to have them stood out of the shadows. rovide benefits for people who have broken our laws. that is where i differ. you can actually differ with your party, i do it often. i was the most bipartisan senator. i'm not want rubberstamp a policy i don't think works. we look at that bill it immediately gives an opportunity for the president to authorize 11 million people to get jobs. i want to fight for jobs for people in new hampshire.

i voted to secure the border. i voted to center to the border. we need to secure the border. , to expand the definition of refugee, i can't support that. >> to find a secure border. what is this metric? i hear this a lot. what is the metric. the border is secure. you know it secure when people don't come across it. [applause] the border is not secure. it is not secure. you can do it through fences,

through walls, through surveillance, through troops. there is a host of raise to take care of our border. i have voted to secure the border. we have to make sure that happens first.first. the president and his policy, his effort is to expand and give status for people who were not entitled to it. >> what is the metric? how do you side? >> the senate bill puts in place strong measures to secure the border. if you want to secure the border my opponent would support that bill. it is going to add fencing, border agents, and the pieces of legislation where he talks about of those iser, one a killer bill on immigration reform. even the republicans who supported it didn't vote for it.

we should take up immigration reform. broken system. what scott brown is done is to grandstand on this issue. >> it is time for a break. we will take our one break here. coming up next, these to get to question each other. if that's not a reason to stay tuned i don't know what is. we will be right back. [applause] likes democrat jeanne shaheen is seeking a second term. former massachusetts senator bob brown served three years as a massachusetts senator. the debate continues courtesy of new england cable news momentarily on c-span and c-span radio. the 2014 election less

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go to the date -- courtesy of new england cable news. then bradley has passed at the age of 93. now back to tonight's debate. >> welcome back. senator shaheen gets to ask the question. >> i think one of the problems with our tax code is we encourage companies to outsource

our jobs. when you are in the senate you voted to reward those companies that shift jobs overseas. we have the highest percentage of jobs that have been shipped to china. supportd you outsourcing overseas? >> i have never voted to outsource jobs. when you are talking about outsourcing jobs, the only one that has done outsourcing is senator shaheen. i think outsourcing has a lot of different meanings.

when you were elected you said you would be an independent senator. there has been many opportunities for you to fight for new hampshire. also signed our rights to a group that should have no right over our right to bear arms. you has to -- you have to also look at the challenges facing buildings right now. you have got around the state touting your business record. the national federation of independent business is a group that represents 1500 businesses

in our state. they grade people for what they have done, not only in the legislative session but over the career. what can you say to those where you have voted with this session 100% of the time? >> i am very proud of my small business record. i sit on the small business committee. it is another koch brothers foundation. worked hard to support our small businesses as i did when i crafted the small businesses jobs act. i voted for it. my opponent voted against it.

i voted for an act that would invest in infrastructure, cut taxes for 30,000 american businesses. i voted for it. my opponent voted against it. we need someone who is going to support our small businesses here in new hampshire. >> thank you for giving us both a break. concerns around long-term solvency of the social security program. proposeone solution you so they can count on social security when they retire? whack social security has not added to our deficit. -- >> social security has not added to our deficit. been the most successful

at helping seniors prevent poverty. i don't think we should change the way we figure the cost of living increase for social security. he applaudedaid the president when he came forward with a proposal to do that. i don't think we should pay this debt off on the backs of our seniors by reducing social security. >> not only social security is at issue but medicare as well. situation where anybody getting social security or medicare are going to continue to get it. anybody who is about to get it is going to continue to get it, so it is a false ms. real when we talk

about how we are going to make it viable for our kids and grandkids. the key is to make sure we have an effort the president is going to be involved in and sign. when it comes to medicare senator shaheen and president obama took three quarters of a trillion dollars from medicare to pay for obama care, something i would have never done. if you talk to our seniors, they are having real troubles. >> let me ask you. one of the easy funding gaps is raising the payroll tax. think that is step one in creating a lengthier solvency, to raise the cap on wealthier americans about how much they contribute? >> there are a number of ways to with socialissue security. what i suggest is we would do what we did when president

reagan was in office to address this. i want to go back to scott brown's suggestion we have taken three quarters of a trillion dollars out of medicare. false by aown to be number of independent organizations. the fact is our passage of the affordable care act has lengthen the leg of medicare by 13 years, and it has stabilized the cost of health care, which is flat for the first time in 50 years. we need to continue to address social security and medicare, make sure it is there for future generations. that's what i want to do. .> i don't disagree i think we should let everyone the table to make proposals. that is not happening. to immediately say we are going to raise taxes, the federal government has enough of our money. he wants to endorse those policies over 99% of the time.

let's talk about medicare. the fact checkers i checked with our seniors that are being by momsally affected and dads and grandparents. they are getting crushed by the cuts. the reimbursements for doctors are being lowered each and every time. medicare advantage, some people are losing it. the rates are going up. this is a result of what senator shaheen did. >> you brought up the commission. what is wrong with the united states senate as a bipartisan commission? why do we have to outsource social security? talking about having a committee. >> the reagan era was outside. >> let me stand corrected. i think we should be doing within the cement. the problem with the senate -- within the senate. the problem with the senate is it is gridlocked because you have people like senator shaheen

and others who vote with their party 99% of the time. i was the most bipartisan senator there. we did a veterans jobs bill. you can get things done, but you have to step back from partisanship. >> this idea of an outside seems like thet hardest decision. >> congress should be able to do this. it should be a bipartisan effort in congress, but one problem is we have gridlocked as the rules of the senate allow people to filibuster. scott brown voted for 44 filibusters during his three years in the senate. that is more than we had in the whole country between 1917 and 1968, over 50 years. we cannot afford that kind of gridlock. that is why it has been difficult to get things done. we need to work together. that is what i support. that is what i tried to do.

>> senator brown, you said you are pro-choice, but you cosponsored the blunt amendment that allows employers to deny contraception to employees, and you oppose the use of funds for abortions. for those motivated to vote on these issues, why should they vote for you and not senator shaheen? >> i have always been pro-choice. i am a pro-choice republican. when it comes to the right to choose, i have supported the right. i do support and have always felt it is important to have an exemption to allow people of faith to practice their faith. with regard to the differences of our shall bore the abortions -- partial-birth abortions, i am against those. i think parents should lay a ale in the decision -- play role in the decision-making

process. voters are concerned about these issues but also about jobs. they are concerned about the ability to bring kids to school. they are concerned about order security. they are not just one issue people. we are taking the message to women voters on a host of different issues. i believe and trust women to make their own reproductive health care decisions. not just part of the time but all of the time. the fact is scott brown not only supported that he sponsored the amendment. it said employers could deny access to contraceptive care to their employees for any moral reason. he supported the supreme court decision. , and/orn 2010 and 2012 stem. they said they voted with him 80% of the time in 2012. i agree we have a lot of things women and their families are

concerned about. one is equal pay for equal work. i think women should be paid equally. my opponent voted twice against allowing equal pay for equal work. i think there is a fundamental difference between scott brown and me in terms of what we think women should be able to do. i trust women to make their own decisions. >> i am glad the senator brought that up. the senator and i voted against the bill because it was a bad bill. there are already mechanisms to from workplace discrimination. i don't just believe it. i employed it. i pay women one dollar 21 for every dollar a man makes. $.95 forhaheen pays every dollar a man makes. i not only believe it. i live it.

is who do the issue you trust to make these decisions about their own reproductive health. time.t women 100% of the i think they should be able to make those decisions with their families come a with their physicians. scott brown voted against that when it came to appointing a new justice to the supreme court who was pro-choice. he was opposed to elena kagan. when it came to supporting the freedom of choice act when he an in 2010, he opposed that. >> let's move to dante. he has been next question for senator shaheen. -- winter is up. >> that is not a reference to the tv show, is it? [laughter] elected,less of who is electricity bills are about to skyrocket for many homeowners.

what is the best way to ensure affordable rates? >> energy is an important issue for us here in new england. we lowered rates by about 16%. i have worked with the senate to come up with an energy strategy because i believe we have got to support new energy technologies, alternative sources of energy. i don't think we are going to get off oil in my lifetime, but we have got to start investing in new energy technologies. that is what helps businesses here in new hampshire. businesses like working on new energy storage that would help with wind and solar. my opponent has supported fossil fuel 100% of the time when he was in washington. he voted for subsidies for the oil companies that were $20 billion a year to the oil companies not once but twice.

i think that is the wrong direction for us in new hampshire. we need to provide options for small businesses for families in new hampshire. >> i am glad we are talking about energy. many people have received their electric notices. they are going up 50% to 100%. only are efforts to not curtail development of oil, natural gas -- she is against nuclear. >> no, i am not. >> where did you get that? >> if i may have a couple. the power plant was in effect you made an effort to stop it. >> no, i didn't. >> senator, you did. >> i was not in office at the time.

>> this is about supply and demand. right now we have a tremendous about of demand and not enough supply. senator shaheen has voted to .ncrease goingime when rates are sky high. the rates have not been lowered. we have a problem with energy. skyrocketed.have is she supposed to get a fist job? >> independent back checkers raiseaid the charge to taxes is false. america is producing more oil oury than we have in history. we need to stop subsidizing oil companies because it is not

making a difference in terms of our prices. we should be taking some money and putting it in alternative sources of energy in ways that are going to help us here in new england. i started retrofitting buildings to make them more energy efficient. between $2re saving million and $4 million a year. >> the notices have gone up. geothermal, cold, allowing -- coal allowing people to be part of the process. it is false. you inside voted to pave the way for a national energy tax. the spendent set up a fund to the money. only in washington does that make sense. they are going to

spend the money. >> how do you deal with carbon? climate change -- man-made? >> i think it is a combination. man-made and natural. >> it is man-made from burning fossil fuels. >> the you believe you have to at some point tax carbon? >> i believe we need an energy strategy that focuses on energy efficiency, alternatives, and new energy technologies, and that is what i have supported. i don't think we should continue to subsidize the oil companies, as my opponent would do. >> do you think you would put a tax on? >> she has supported cap and trade which i am not in favor of. i'm not going to talk about the future. we need to deal with these issues now. >> oil companies are budgeting for it. should they be? >> senator shaheen voted for a national energy tax. >> that is just wrong.

>> she has supported taxing our energy producers. other democrats voted against the very bills she is criticizing me for. we cannot continue to pay money to countries that want to hurt and kill us. i have supported production tax credits. production taxd credits. i do support solar, but we have to find a way right now to step back from our dependence on foreign oil and make sure energy, especially electricity, does not continue to go up. >> that is why we need to support other options for small businesses. it is better here in new hampshire where we have a budding energy sector. the fact is what scott brown has is only oil all the time strategy. we need different options. >> moving to lightning round. i promise they are worded in a ay that should only take

little while. if you get the first bill, what is it? >> it is to allow students to refinance student loans. >> mitch mcconnell, whoever the republican is, you get to introduce the first bill. what is it? >> it to do a budget. they haven't gotten a budget. any budget they have done is on the backs of veterans. on the backs of veterans. senator shaheen supported that. i would not support that. >> is mitch mcconnell the best republican leader? >> if i am honored enough to be elected i am going to determine who it is. -- >> you under him served under him. >> i thought he did a good job under trying circumstances. but i am not sure who our choice will be.

>> you think there will be a choice? you think there should be a choice? >> i do. >> who is an ideal leader if not harry reid? >> i'm not going to speculate on who. i think it is important to have a contest on these positions because we need to think about how we are doing business in the senate. >> is there another republican you want to see? >> senator mcconnell, we have to make sure we get rid of him. it would be anybody except harry reid. >> let me ask this. you both have lost races in the senate. what was the biggest lesson you took away from it? sometimes there are factors beyond your control, and there are things happening in the country that affect the race. i think we are seeing this now. seeing a lot of concern about what is happening in the

world. who has been grandstanding to make political gain on isis, on the border, on ebola. i think what we need is responsible officials who are going to try to address the problems we face, who are going to be serious about looking for solutions. that is what i want to do. >> the biggest lesson you took away? >> that i love my wife more than ever. on andt life does go defeat is only temporary. ask about this. you had two chances to run for the u.s. senate in massachusetts . why not take those? >> i live here. i was born at the portsmouth naval shipyard. my mom was a waitress at hampton beach. >> you never thought about running for senate in either of those?

>> because i live here. my family is here. my mom was a waitress. my dad was an air man. i was born in the naval shift. my first three years of life were in portsmouth. i am running because i care about new hampshire, and because i care about running. >> anything wrong with what senator brown did? >> when he lost his race he didn't move to new hampshire and say, i want to get involved in the state. he thought about running in massachusetts. then he thought about running for governor in massachusetts. and saident to iowa -- he wanted to run for president. i don't think it is a consolation prize. is going senator who to put new hampshire first, who is going to be there every day doing what is best for small businesses and middle-class families.

>> believe it or not, and our flies by. time for closing statements. you get the first closing statement. >> thank you for participating. record.t her everybody was excited when she got elected and said she was going to be the independent voice for new hampshire. when she went to washington she change. she is voting with the president 99% of the time, and that is not good for new hampshire. the president said he is not up for reelection, but everyone of his policies is on the ballot. i agree with him. we have a health care system that is broken. we have energy costs skyrocketing. we have so many issues. it is time for a new direction. it is time to send an independent leader in the united states senate. right now we don't have that. i am asking for your vote on november 4. i am asking you to help send us in a different direction.

thank you. >> thank you to our sponsors for tuning in. this election really is about what type of future we have for new hampshire. are we going to support middle-class families and small businesses in a way that allows a fair shot at success? i want to do. helping young people with the cost of college, helping families who are struggling with the cost of childcare, trying to make sure women get equal pay for equal work. what we don't need is someone who is going to go to washington and support corporate special interests, to be a rubber stamp for oil companies and their subsidies. for wall street and banks giveaways, for outsourcing american jobs. this is the real choice we have. i think we need to continue to support people of new hampshire

hitting up every day and putting new hampshire first. it is what i have done. it has been a great honor to serve this state. i hope you will give me the opportunity to do that for another six years. vote.for your thank you all very much. >> i want to thank both of the candidates. i want to thank the crowd. i think being a political candidate in the age of 2014 is among the hardest jobs there is in our government these days, actually running for office, so thank you for running for office and participating in this debate. i want to thank the panel. everyone can cheer for that. we appreciate that. don't forget. participate in this democracy. go vote. don't let cynicism get the best of you. thing when a good

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www.c-span.org. back to campaign 2014 and onto south carolina. governor nikki haley is running against for challengers. debated vincent shaheen and libertarian steve french and morgan bruce reeves of the united citizens party. >> your voice. your future. live from the campus in greenville. welcome to a south carolina gubernatorial debate, brought to 15,by wciv, news channel 13. news please welcome tonight moderator.

welcome.vening and finalizede second and gubernatorial debate before the election. joining us this evening, dr. morgan bruce reeves, mr. steve irvine,judge tom senator vincent shaheen, and governor nikki haley. the topics to be discussed tonight our education and health care. presented 60 is seconds to answer each question. each candidate is given up to three 32nd rebuttals up to their 32nd rebuttals -- 30-s