harmed. been and governor haley has covered up the numbers of what's happened. is true, we talked about it for a year, and an audit came weeks ago saying the kid died when they shouldn't have. the governor haley and her administration monkeyed with the numbers to present a false. got to change the state, we've got to have honesty, we've got to protect the children and the people much south carolina. >> judge? >> this is why i ran for she stood by and let childrenily us howd they won't tell many kids have died this year on her watch. it's a shame what happened. the council report has been around for years. this is a third report.

she knew when she took office we had a crisis. she knew caseworkers had too many cases. they lied about the numbers they had on caseworkers. get now?e suddenly they found the money to hire 120 new caseworkers. when we needed them? we could have saved so many lives. >> the same question please. >> i am a libertarian because i believe in small government. i believe government does have a role in our education, police and fire. we are being fined $1 million a year because we don't even have

a child-support online network system required by law. years of this. we have a backlog on child fatalities. this is about prioritizing. money tove plenty of the things we want by decriminalizing marijuana.

said workers are overworked and underpaid. >> we have the legislative branch, the executive branch. i will double the pay of everybody in the state of south carolina. want to be a republican and be broke, vote for them. i am trying to double the pay of our citizens. a young wife doesn't need to jobs.wo or three she can spend time with the children. we are living in a big slave plantation here. what did i say about politics?

it is about being in control. let's get somebody new for a change. what about me? that will resolve those problems. >> dss has been one of the had to agencies we have deal with. it is very hard to wrap your arms around the fact we are having to protect children from their own parents. that is what we have dealt with. this has been an agency that has problems, but it is in my lap now. we try to make changes, and we have. putontinue to make sure we a law-enforcement liaison in there. we put in mental health officials so we can put teams around caseworkers. we are making sure supervisors

have a second set of eyes as they go forward. we're adding caseworkers to go forward. an easy agency. this is extremely painful. we are trying every day to protect those children, and we will continue to do that going forward. do you have a rebuttal? >> this is so important. i met with a woman who had union advocate for 30 years, and this is what she told me. has seen more broken bones and more fractured in 30 and she has seen years. that is why we have to have leadership back in the governor's office. >> moving onto the next question. >> the patient protection and affordable care act are for

expanding medicaid. about one half of the states have done so. was the decision to not expand medicaid the correct one? >> i don't want obamacare. i hope congress repeals obamacare or fixes it. the united states supreme court says it is the law of the land. the supreme court says that governor haley had an important decision. taxhe going to take our money back and expand coverage for 330 thousand of our people who had no coverage who couldn't get treatment for their problems, or is she going to ?ake a political decision here is how governor haley decided this issue. she said what is going to be future? nikki haley's

it would be best to reject it and look tough. i am different. i will use my christian faith as a guiding principle and i will, as matthew says, unto the least of these, take care of the folks that need it most and to make matters worse -- >> your time has expired. >> south carolina, the federal government is broke. they have no money. i sat back during october when my son was about to be born and watched the government shutdown. the moment we have gridlock in congress, it's not going to come the south carolina. i want to give you a quick

example. i'm a young man and i know what it's like to make $15,000 or $20,000 a year. the fact is, we have to keep this program strong for those that really need it. if you're under the age of 18, i want you to be able to get coverage. if you have physical or mental impairments, i want you to be able to get coverage. i have seen my policy more than double in the past two years. and when i had my first born son, i had to pay 100% out of pocket because in private coverage, you can't get maternity care anymore. we've got a world of pain coming. i am not for expanding medicaid. >> i am for the government controlling it. and this is why. medicaid is a state and federal government program. it provides health care for people with lower income. it rates for services such as preventative health care.

it pays for doctors, it pays for some people's medical bills. are we out of our mind? i have seen the executive ranch -- branch. to be on the same health-care plan is the poor people. they don't have to worry about ebola. we are in trouble. we've got to live on a 2014 budget for medicaid for the next four years. where have those jobs gone? >> it was absolutely the right decision to not accept the expansion. what it would do, it was a promise to a holding set of people that they would get a new amount of coverage.

our focus needs to be on making sure we create jobs to the private sector. what we will continue to see is people continue to lose doctors and see premiums go up. we continue to see small businesses have to lay off workers because of the cost of obamacare. it wasn't good then, it's not good now, and we won't be part of it. >> i believe we should keep our tax dollars in south carolina. it's insane for governor haley to defend -- to send our tax dollars to other states and to send the jobs to other states. i don't care if the idea comes from a republican or democrat. if it helps south carolina, i'm for it.

i didn't support things in the affordable care act like the of -- individual mandate but i support keeping our tax dollars here. right now, our hospital is slated to close down in a few months because governor haley is blocking their own medicaid tax dollars. governor haley is putting her own political career above the good of the communities. mothers, fathers, except for staying here in south carolina. >> rural hospitals are not closing down because of medicaid not being accepted. the world's populations are choosing to drive to get to more modern facilities. we have done more than any administration. we pay 100% of all medicaid

patients and we started the transformation program that would allow them to have urgent care facilities where they treat chronic disease and help with emergency room issues and partner with larger issues. >> ladies and gentlemen, our governor -- if you read this date, so many other news organizations, we are expandin medicaid. you can look at the numbers. it will be 16% expansion. this is not sustainable and it's not something we can do. our plan is to provide competition. >> do you have a rebuttal? >> will look at rural hospitals

in our state, 14 of them lost money last year. one vent -- one went bankrupt. we will have a real health care crisis in this state. governor haley expanded coverage and it created 42,000 new high-paying jobs, jobs that we need in this state. jobs i can help so many young people. >> your time has expired. >> what happened in health care when the supreme court ruled? what happened? i will tell you what happened. it has been there, we have not missed a beat. when senior citizens needed them, the federal government was there. the federal government never let you down but these insurance companies -- we eliminated pre-existing conditions, they

can no longer limit or deny benefits to children over 19 years old. >> we will get one more question but due to time constraints, the last question will start with mr. french. >> it can lead to a host of other health problems, what would you do to address that problem? >> this is about economics. >> i didn't have the money to go anywhere but mick doddle to. i didn't have the money to buy organic produce or buy blueberries. this is an economic problem and about raising the poverty level in this state. so we need to talk about jobs and people getting money in their pocket so that they can

get the things that they need. >> can you ask the question again please? >> obesity leads to a host of other problems, how would you address that issue? >> i would address the issues by -- the governor doesn't know everything. i have a lot of room for improvement. i have common sense, and i go back to cannabis plants. if they love health care so much, why not include the cannabis lance. >> dr., your time has expired. >> it is forcing all our hospitals to deal with the issues and a lot of the diseases are coming up because of it. what we have done is we initially tried to look at the way people who were on food stamps, what they were buying?

we wanted to eliminate sodas and snack food and d.c. was quick to say we could do that. i could do -- we can buy healthier. >> your time is expired. >> i am an eighth grader who might be watching this, i want him to eat well in school and set that example. >> we have to grow the economy for all. they are living below the poverty line. we've got to raise the minimum wage in this state. we need to encourage them. we need to reinstate physical education.

>> this concludes the questions and the opportunity for rebuttals has expired. we moved to closing statements. we drew cards to determine the order of closing remarks. >> new hampshire may have the most popular saying, give me liberty or give me death, but i think we have the best. while i breathe, i hope. and while i breathe, i hope something i said tonight touched a nerve with you tonight. i hope it hit you in the heart, mind, or soul. i want south carolina to become the freest state in the nation. i want you to wake up knowing that you have power over your child's education and you can make the best decisions for them.

i want you to know you're getting $250 back a month of your own money. that you can't be arrested for a victimless nonviolent crime like marijuana. i'm what you to wake up knowing the government cannot tell you who you can and cannot love. this is about breaking tradition here. and always being at the top for corruption and violence against women. and if you vote for me, you will make such a big difference not just in the state but the whole united states. >> being governor is more than just hanging out in the mansion and flying on the state plane. it needs to be about honest leadership. the department of health knew about a tuberculosis outbreak over a year ago. and after it became known, i went there to meet with those parents. you know what they told me? what doesn't governor haley come here.

why weren't we told there was a tuberculosis outbreak? why did teachers contract it? i met with them months later and promised them i would tell this story. they held up the cards. they had been exposed to tuberculosis. this is bigger than republicans or democrats. this is about honesty and leadership. >> dr. reeves. fax i hope i can get your support on the down stretch. i am the underdog here. when you put those polls out, that was his personal opinion. what separates me from the rest of them? i kept god in the picture. i mentioned god's name more than anyone at here and may the lord

lester children and families. if you want to be vote, republicans vote for nikki. they think they have this thing wrapped up but i hope we can show them something different this year. >> will rogers once said we have the best government money can buy. he said it in the humorous way but in some ways it is true about south carolina. both governor haley and senator sheen exploited a loophole in our ethics law by taking contributions in excess of $3500. governor haley took $72,000 from a shady businessman in texas. the senator took money from the trial lawyers. you say they you are for ethics reform but you sure don't act that way. we need change in this state. i am an independent. i am not tied to political parties or special interests. give a chance to drain the swamp of corruption and change south carolina. >> you are right, it's about

honesty. that's why when the state was notified, not one child got tuberculosis after we were contacted. i asked you for your support based on my words and my vision. you really had no reason to support me. i wanted jobs for our people and a good education for our children. i'm not asking you to go on my word. i'm asking you to look at results. i know there's been a lot of negativity from my opponents and tonight. we can handle it.

look at the south carolina of today. 25,000 people from welfare to work. a massive education reform plan, a massive transportation plan. it is a great day and south carolina. but we are just getting started. god bless. >> this concludes tonight's televised debate. i would like to offer a lot more to you. good night. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] >> c-span's campaign 2014 coverage includes more than 100 debates for control of congress. all a was on twitter and like us at facebook.com/cspan.

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in a close race against him a credit challenger paul davis. they call this race a tossup. this debate held in wichita is courtesy of the kansas association of broadcasters. [applause] >> thank you very much, jim. get everything situated here. let me give you the debate instructions as we have developed them. each candidate will have two minutes for an opening statement. then i will ask questions giving each candidate 90 seconds to respond and a 32nd rebuttal from the candidate who answered

first. you will have someone down here keeping timeor the candidates. all questions have been developed by me. the order of who answers first will change with each question. at the end, the candidates will have two minutes in their closing statements in the same order as the opening statements. we ask the audience to refrain from applause or reactions during the debate and, of course, if you would please check your cell phones to make sure we disturbed the candidate. afterwards you will be able to clap and applaud for them being here. please welcome the candidates. [applause]

there should be some water under each podium. thank you for participating in this kansas association of broadcasters debate. we earlier flip the coin. it would be from the kansas city royals? the chiefs. i want to thank you all for being here. he flipped a coin to decide who would be the person to give opening statements. we will start with an opening statement for governor brownback and move accordingly. >> thank you for hosting this association of broadcasters. i have to start by saying go royals. it is exciting what is taking place.

the royals are america's team now and everybody in america is cheering for them outside of nancy pelosi's district. we are hopeful they can sleep in the series. thank you for hosting this, we have a choice to make this fall. the direction for the state of kansas in the future is an important choice and you have defenses between myself and paul davis. i put forward a plan that is a conservative model. lower taxes, lower requirements for welfare. it is getting growth to take place and investing in functions like schools and roads. we move that agenda and we see things grow in the state of kansas with record employment. the poverty index part of the u.s. census bureau. we are moving in the right

direction and getting things done. and that is important for us as a state where we have languished for 35 years. we are moving in the right direction. a paul davis seeks a model with higher taxes, no work requirements and have more government intrusion in your lives. one of the things that hasn't been talked about much is the selection of judges. the governor selects judges in the state of kansas and that matters a great deal. the brothers in wichita, they are by the kansas supreme court. they are very liberal court. they want to appoint -- i want to appoint judges that don't rewrite the law as they see it to be. i hope this is something we can discuss because it's a key issue and a key distinction between the two of us.

one of the justices even hosted a fundraiser for paul davis. i find that wrong. it's something that shouldn't happen. >> i'm paul davis. a lifelong kansan, moderate, a 15 year veteran of the local chamber of commerce. i'm also the son of two teachers and a parent of a soon-to-be kindergartner. the issue of public education is personal to me. i have been a steadfast champion for public schools during the legislature. that is why i opposed the largest cut the funding in state history. that is why i will make restoring those cuts the very top priority as governor. it's one of the reasons why i had the support of over 180 current and former elected officials. three speakers of the house.

read lieutenant governors. a u.s. senator and to republican party chairs. that has never happened in kansas before. it happened because i have a track record of eating able to democratscrat this -- -- being able to unite democrats and republicans. it has plunged our state deep into debt and is harming thousands of kansans. kansans like mary. mary is a single mom and happens to be a republican. she provides for her son on a shoestring budget and is proud she has not had to turn to sheic assistance for help. is paying 50% more in kansas income taxes because of the economic experiment.

we have to do better for people like mary. the choice we have in this election is about whether we are going to clean up the mess of the governor has created or we are going to hit the accelerator the governor says on more cuts to schools, more debt and a failed experiment. kansas cannot afford this. we have to go in a different direction, direction that prioritizes our schools and uses proven ways to grow our economy and that is exactly what i would do as governor. >> first question. representative davis, you will have the opportunity to answer first. from the economy to education to ebola, there is an air of uncertainty about the future. what will your administration do to calm the concerns of kansans? >> first of all, we will use the old adage, if you're in a hole, you need to stop digging. the one-size-fits-all experiment of the governor is not working. you have to look at the data.

we are trailing the surrounding states and the rest of the country in economic growth. the governor's own council of economic advisers documented this seven months ago. we are 45th in the country in terms of new business creation. in 2013, there were more businesses and that closed shop that opened shop. we have had three credit down ratings in just over a year. this is not working and it is not going to work. the governor says he wants to hit the accelerator on what we have been doing. we know what that means. it means more cuts to schools, more dollars at taken out of our proven job creating program and transportation plan. i think we need to end the experiment. let's freeze the tax cuts where they are at on january 1, 2015. let's restore the cuts to the public schools because strong public schools are the very foundation of a stronger economy. business leaders like john moore

have told me that the best thing we can do to move our economy forward is to have the very best public schools. that is why i will make restoring cuts my very top priority as governor. >> i wish he had not voted for the cuts in the first place then. the cuts he is talking about are the ones that happened in the parkinson administration. did administration cut support for k-12 administration and put obama stimulus money that went away the next year. those with a cuts he voted for. i've increased state funding for education every year i have been in office. listen to the rest of the plan he is putting forward. the plan is for him to raise income taxes on you, on the person at his table. his first plan is to raise taxes for people that make $15,000 a year. that is what he is proposing. we cut income taxes on everybody in the state of kansas and his first step is to say if you are

making $15,000 a year, your income taxes are going up. that is not any way to grow. he can be critical of my plan all he wants to be. we still have record employment in the state of kansas and his plan is to raise her income taxes. is that the way you grow the economy by raising your income taxes? it is not. we started out with one of the highest income tax rates in this region -- 6.45%. it is at 4.5% now. we created growth and it has. record number of new businesses filing into the state of kansas and small businesses expanding. record employment -- 4.8% unemployment, the lowest in america. that is what is happening in america and raising taxes not the way to go. >> governor, you are trying desperately to rewrite your record and you are trying to rewrite mine as well.

it is not the truth. i have been a champion for our public schools. the republican president of your daughter school board is here supporting me because she and so many other leaders in education know who the real pro education candidate is. it is ironic you talk about raising taxes on the poor. that is exactly what you have done. your first tax plan you introduced would raise taxes by 5000% on people who make $25,000 or less. i think that is morally wrong. >> let's stay on the issue of taxes. this question is for you governor brownback. every taxpayer likes to hear the term reduction in taxes. no taxpayer of ice to live with a reduction in services. how will your administration resolved this type of dissonance? >> growth.

that is what we are doing. look at the data yourself. growth. 4.8%. we are having difficulty in general aviation in wichita at this point no thanks to president obama. paul davis is a two-time delegate. we are having difficulty with the president belittling general aviation and saying those fatcats -- that hurts us. we need to grow. you grow by getting your taxes off of small business in particular which we did. we took taxes off the small business. you are seeing record numbers filing into the state of kansas. you go to people like teddy in topeka who had a temp agency. i had a lady stop me after church two days ago with that message that she said -- we started a small business and we are working. kansans work for themselves. when you recruit big business

into the state, you can get them, but you have to buy them. small business is the right route to go and that is what we are doing. we ended this fiscal year with $434 million cash on hand. we ended with that much money and we are increasing investment in schools of the same time at record levels. >> all you have to do is take a look at the budget picture. $1.3 billion of debt over the next five years. that comes from our nonpartisan legislative research department. you ask the governor what his plan is -- he does not have a plan. what is going to happen is more cuts to schools and more dollars taken out of our transportation

plan. a proven job -- he has taken $1 billion out of the transportation plan so far and all you will do it take more that's all he will do is take more. more businesses closing in 2013 than opening. this year, the rest of the country is double the job growth that we have in kansas. this experiment is not working. it is not going to work. it is time we understand that and move forward. think about how we are going to be able to restore the cuts to public education when we are in $1.3 billion in debt. it will not happen. we have to end of the experiment now and we have to restore those cuts to our public schools or we will not be able to grow as a

state. >> rebuttal? >> paul davis is lying. we have invested record amounts of money in schools. go check with the department of education. we have fixed the pension system which was in bankruptcy. that he helped get into bankruptcy in the legislature now it is out. his method of getting us to grow is raising taxes. we have also done every project that has been announced and said that we would do, including the one recently in wichita right now that is a nice big project to fix congestion that we have in this city. we are moving forward. what he is saying is data he did during the legislature, not what i had done. >> representative davis, you can answer this question first. what resources should we protect, promote, and what resources should we dispense with? >> i want to respond first to the comments the governor just made. so disappointing.

the kansas city star recently wrote an editorial called the relentless lies of sam brownback. the things you have said in this campaign have been disproven over and over and over again, but you keep going. i was part of the bipartisan coalition that put that built together to fix capers. all you did was sign it. the legislature did not want to go down the road you wanted to go down which is going to keep the liability even worse than it was before. what we need to do as a state is to get back to the basics. we need great public schools. i am the son of two teachers. this issue is personal to me. all across the state, all i hear from parents, from teachers, principals, school board members

is the concern that they have never seen before to the state of our public schools because we have a governor who has never made public education a priority. when he was in the u.s. senate, he voted against education repeatedly. foot against afterschool programs, against teachers, head start. he tried to get rid of early head start. he cut k-12 education. there is no way that we can grow and prosper as a state if we have a governor who will never make education a priority and that is his record. >> governor brownback? >> that is completely false. why didn't you fix capers when governor parkinson was a governor when you did not need the governor to get this done? because they would not step up and deal with the problem. we have the second least funded

pension when i came in. we had the worst funded system in the country next to illinois. that's what gets you into bankruptcy. $9 billion hole and they would not fix it. look at where we were in jobs last decade. we lost private-sector jobs. during my administration, we have added 58,000 new private sector jobs. 58,000 new private sector jobs during the time i have been governor of the state of kansas. those are the things that have happened. the question was on resources. i think we need to deal with the issue of water. the resources that we have in reservoirs. i think we need to have a good solid discussion about this. i have credibility in this area. i've worked on the issue of water for years. i was the agriculture secretary. i think we have a serious issue we need to confront and deal with if we have a future in the

state. it is one of the major issues over the next 50 year outlook that we have. we have a discussion going on. we are going to address the issues of water moving on forward. we have done some of it already. they use it or lose it and we to do more of that moving forward of addressing the critical issues of water. >> the governor mentions bankruptcy. that is exactly where his economic plan is heading our state. $1.3 billion in debt over the next five years soley caused by the governors economic experiment. economists deem this the worst economic plan in the country. the conservative republican senate tax tears stood up when this bill was being debated and said this was the worst tax fell he had ever seen. the governor proceeded recklessly down the road and we are deep in debt if we don't end

this experiment now. >> this is a whole bunch of questions into one. the need for labor, plus needed changes in immigration policy times changes in voting rights equals emotional upheaval. what can we do to change this equation? >> you have a lot of questions rolled together in that particular one. i think there are issues we need to work on together. what i have tried to do in working with the legislature's say what can we do to move something forward? what can we do to unite together. there are a lot of difficulties and emotions. we have had a lot of success in moving things forward as a state and dealing with issues like the caper system. like getting some growth. those are important things for us to do like issues like water. what you have to do is not say, ok, it has to be this way or

that, but the governor has to set a course. you have a say things that are important to deal with. i said we had to get some growth happening here. our budget when i came in was huge. i was facing a $500 million deficit in the next 18 months. we had virtually no money in the bank account. we have lost private-sector jobs. we were making half payments to schools. that was the fiscal situation we had at that point in time. it was what paul davis helped create. he wants to take us back to that because the taxes were raised before that. his answer is to raise taxes, you will get less growth and be in a bigger budget problem. it is bringing people together -- that is how you solve this. >> when governor brownback came into office, we were poised for success. you talked over and over again how there is no money in the

bank. he uses this $876 figure which has been disproven over and over again but yet the governor keeps talking about it. it is one of those relentless lies of the kansas city star mentioned. there are over $230 million in the bank when governor brownback took office. you know why? because people like me voted for a one cent sales tax so we could spare our public schools from another round of cuts and we could pass a comprehensive transportation plan. governor brownback has been more than happy to show up at every ribbon-cutting he possibly can for the transportation plan. when it was being debated in the legislature, he was adamantly opposed to it. if he was governor, we would've never had a comprehensive transportation plan and he is using every opportunity he can now to attack me for it. you cannot continue to have it both ways. immigration reform is critically

important to our state. the federal government frankly needs to get their act together and pass immigration reform because it is a crucial part of our economy. we have many immigrant workers in the state that are vital to the economic success of kansas. i also stand behind the green act. i think it was the right thing to do. governor brownback was absent when he was in the senate when it came time to vote and it failed by one vote. >> i will agree with paul on this. $876 -- that was what was in the bank account the year before i came into office. it was actually $23 million deficit. the prior administration deficit spent and move expenses to the next year so didn't show a deficit because you cannot legally deficit spend in kansas and yet they did that because the fiscal situation was a complete wreck.

we were looking at no end in sight unless you started to really address the problems we had as a state. >> question is for you, representative davis. how will your administration respond to the diversity of thought, the diversity of culture, and the necessary sensitivity associated with this issue? >> when i was in the legislature, we debated this issue. i do not support the constitutional amendment. i did that because i thought it would damage the welcoming image our state has had dating back to when we became a state. the people of kansas decided they wanted that in the constitution and they did so by significant majority and i respect that decision. the fact of the matter is this issue is out of the hands of

politicians. there is nothing i can do, nothing governor brownback and do to change this issue. the courts will decided. i think a lot of people on both sides of this issue which the supreme court addressed. the courts will have to deal with this and we have to go on from there. >> i stand with the people of kansas. the marriage is between a man and a woman. they voted this by nearly 70% and put it into the constitution. now, you have judges seeking to rewrite that. it comes back to the issue of judges for governors. this is something each of us have impact on. do you want somebody appointing liberal judges like paul davis? do you want somebody to appoint judges that will stay with the law like the ones i appointed? i have had a lot of experience with working with judges.

i was on the u.s. senate judiciary committee in selecting john roberts. i have appointed judges here in the state. i have worked with administrations who appointed those. it is something the governor does which is to defend the constitution of kansas. in some places, the governor or attorney general decided they would not defend the constitution even though that is the way the people have spoken. the attorney general stood up and said we would defend the kansas constitution and i have stood behind them. paul davis has not announced a position. that is not leadership and you cannot duck the questions. you have to deal with the issues as they,. you cannot take them as governor. they arrive on your doorstep and you have to do the best you can, but you can do that.

it is not true there is nothing you can do. >> rebuttal? >> governor, your first choice to the supreme court referred to funding for public schools as wasteful spending. i would not call that a good selection of somebody who we want to have decided critical issues. we don't need to be given the governor more power over the judicial branch. i want to go back to this welcoming image because we need to let people know we want people here. governor brownback was in early endorser of a bill that would legalize discrimination and thankfully the senate president pulled that bill from the agenda because it would've been terrible for kansas. >> next question. the phrase kansas common sense is used in great deal. what does this phrase mean for you, governor? >> and means to me what looking the way my dad would at the world. he was a native farmer in eastern kansas, one of those

areas where leadership of the democratic party have put down. that is my hometown. it is looking at the world he would. he would say basically i am a conservative, but it has to work. that is what i have done. i am a conservative but it has to work and that is what we have done in putting forward plans and proposals to create growth because we were not growing. bob dole is one of my cochairs. he was originally elected the first time at the oldest six congressional seat in kansas. we now have four and we will be heading to three if we don't change the trajectory. that continues to drive people out of the state because we are losing people to the surrounding states, but nebraska. we are getting people from all of our surrounding states, but colorado but it takes time. we know prior, if you have high

taxes, you will drive people out of the region. common sense to me is doing the things you know you'd should do to get people on the right track and get off the wrong track. that is what common sense means to me. >> common sense means to me working together. bringing people together to find solutions that work. that is what i have done for 12 years as a legislator. i built a bipartisan coalition after bipartisan coalition. there is a reason those 180 current and former republican elected officials are supporting me because they know i am the kind of leader that will unite people. i have been able to work with democrats, moderate and conservative. the governor has not been able to work with democrats very well and has not been able to work with a lot of republicans. decided to basically declare war on an entire wing of the republican party during the last election.

it means we bring together people who have good ideas, who have a lot of experience. we will have the most bipartisan administration in kansas history because i don't believe that all the good ideas are in one political party. when we set about to put an economic plan together i asked john moore and gary scheer to put together a business advisory group. they went out and find seasoned business professionals, community leaders to advise us how it is we grow the economy. the governor did not do that. he hired a discredited, out-of-state economist that the state of kansas paid $75,000 to to design this economic experiment that is a total failure. >> rebuttal?

>> representative davis and his complete left-wing move in his party -- make mistake about it, he talks about being a moderate but he has one of the top 10 most liberal voting records in the kansas legislature. representing the community of lawrence and puts for that policy consistently. that is fine, that is his proposal. that is not the way kansans want. she switched party being a republican because he driven his party so hard to the left. a number of republicans that support him also support raising taxes and they support obama care neither of which i support but he does. >> last question before we moved to the closing statements. this is a good one. >> they are all good.

>> what one thing, this will be for you mr. davis to begin with, what one thing can your opponent say or do that might get you to vote for him in this election? [laughter] >> well, it is a little too late, i am afraid. i think governor brownback would say the same thing. i had hopes when we had a new governor coming in. and, i hoped that he would be able to achieve consensus in the legislature. i thought you would be a strong supporter of education. he came to the legislature to deliver his first message and said public schools are to kansas what the national defense is to the federal government. i could not agree with that more. that is right. the public schools are that important. the very next day he submitted his first state budget and that budget contained the single largest cut to public school funding in state history. four months later, he got his wish. he signed that bill into law and

he declared that it was a victory. historic cuts to public education, a victory. we've all seen the consequences of this. we've seen the larger class sizes. the parents paying more fees than ever, test scores go down. we need a governor that will make education the very top priority. i have that track record. it is a personal issue to me. our daughter will walk into a public school classroom for the first time next year and i want her to have the very opportunities i had growing up here in kansas. strong public schools are the very foundation of a strong economy and that is why we need a champion for public schools in the governor's office.

>> it is pretty late for that. there are things i can hear that could move me. if he said he did not want to raise taxes -- actually, if he actually told me where he stood on a lot of issues. he is not saying this is what i will do. if he said he would require work if you are on welfare which he voted against. the way out of poverty is not to give penance the people. the way out is work, education and family structure. he would not even say if you are able-bodied you had to work. if you say on judges i am not going to appoint liberal judges that want to rewrite the law or have the lobby as they see it rather than as it is. i want a judge to be an umpire,

not a baseball player in the game. if he would say and stop lying about education. we are at over $13,000 per student. we just had a ranking of our public education system. we were ranked as the fifth best public education system in america. kansas public schools. we have invested heavily. he voted against the last 1, 100 $30 million in property tax relief and education funding. paul davis voted against it but thought the other way. the cuts they made during the big height of the recession, i respect that but don't blame me about the cuts you made. >> governor, it doesn't change the fact that you signed into law the single largest cut to public school funding in state history. i'm glad you brought up poverty. what he or first goals was to do something about that and you have certainly done something about that. you made it worse. we have more people living in poverty than ever before. one in four children a living in poverty. no wonder people like mary are wondering what happened to their

governor. they need a governor who was going stand up for them and do something about poverty and that is what i will do. >> two-minute closing statements. >> i want to quote this from the website. kansas poverty rate is coming down. and measurement released a last weekend that it dropped 2.3%. the poverty rate stands at 11.8% compared to the nationwide average of 15.9%. that is what the facts are. i would hope you look at the facts in this election and decide whether or not you want to go hard left, obama left with paul davis or you want to continue the course of growth, improving the state of kansas. i want to return one more time to the issue of judges because it has not been discussed this much in this campaign. it is one of the key things a governor does -- appoint judges. it is a key function for as far as whi state. one of the supreme court judges in kansas hosted a fundraiser

for paul davis. i cannot believe they did that but they did. this is a liberal judge -- liberal court that has overturned cases like the carr brothers. they will be appealed to the united states supreme court. it matters what judges you appoint and whether they stick to the law or rewrite it. it has not been discussed this much in the campaign but it is critical how you move forward as a state. i will appoint judges that stay within the boundaries of the law and the constitution. we feel this constantly in the society today and i asked for your vote in november on that direction and not on obama direction for the state of kansas. >> representative davis. >> thank you for being here today. when i decided to get into the race, i knew governor brownback

would run an ugly campaign with personal attacks. when i didn't think the ads could get worse, i turned on my television this morning and i saw an ad that he is running linking me to the carr brothers murder. i knew one of the victims. governor, you trying to exploit that terrible tragedy to help get elected is disgraceful. you ought to be ashamed of it. i have taken a lot of hits in this campaign, but you know what? they are worth it because the future of kansas is on the line and i don't want to see four more years of what we have had. four more years of a stagnant economy, of degrading our transportation front, of cuts to education, early childhood, k-12, higher education. i mentioned that i will see our

daughter will walk into a public school classroom for the very first time hopefully in topeka. my wife and i are like any other parents who want the very best for her. she and her friends will not be able to achieve those great opportunities if we continue to have a governor that is never made education a priority. a governor that is turn our state into a science lab, trying to gain national acclaim. his experiment put our stay deep into debt, damaged our economy and it has jeopardized the quality of education for entire generation of kansas kids. we don't need a red state model, we don't need a blue state model -- we need common sense solutions that work for kansas. we will restore the cuts to our public schools and we will get

our economy moving again. we will use proven ways to grow or economy. no more experiments. the future of our state depends upon it. i ask for your vote on november 4 so we can restore kansas together because we must. thank you for being here today. >> everyone, let's give a great round of applause. [applause] our candidates for the office of governor in the great state of kansas. thank you all very much. >> be part of c-span campaign 2014 coverage. follow us on twitter and like us on facebook to get videos of key moments. getting more than 100 debate. you can share your reactions to what candidates are saying. she

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conversation focusing on common core standards posted by the american enterprise institute. >> the longtime washington post diedr ben bradley yesterday. watergateduring the coverage. you >> >> on behalf of the national archives i want to a all of you tonight. [applause] welcomingjoin me in

mr. ben bradley and mr. bob woodward. [applause] >> you're right there. we're going to have a conversation tonight. i woulde begin, introduced people who don't need an introduction. tell you something about them you might not know. mr. bradley, although he does not look at is a world war ii

veteran. [applause] >> he served in pacific theater on the uss essex. it is important to keep in mind he was in the navy. mr. bradley covered 1960 campaign. he worked for newsweek, a got to know senator named john f. kennedy, produced one of the more interesting books about president kennedy. then found his way to the washington post. he found himself in position of chemoity during to

fortunate to have such a pioneer, legendary figure of american journalism here tonight. [applause] >> the man next to him worked for a small newspaper in after having spent five years in the navy during part of that time he was in a noncombat role of the coast of vietnam. bob woodward has written 16 books and you have made 12 of them new york times number one bestsellers. [applause] >> bob, i interviewed both of these gentlemen for the library.

bob woodward was keen to come and visit. i cannot tell you how delighted i am to see how keen you all are to see him and mr. bradley. it is june 1972, and you've got these two young guys covering a crime story. put a it that the post mr. bernstein and a mr. woodward together to cover the break-in? .> it was a total accident -- i was nott working that day. i cannot take credit, i hope i get enough credit for the

evening is out, but i cannot get credit for that. deputy and managing editor -- it was the third or -- it deputy gunned down became time to assign the story on a saturday, i was not working. it was one of the greatest days in june ever in washington dc. politics -- i'm not apologizing. >> i hope to get a lot of credit for the night is through, but i do not want credit for that. i looked around and there was a strange burglary three at who would be dumb enough to come to work on a day like this? my name sprung to his mind.

i got called in. >> where you don't enough to come to work that day? -- why were you dumb enough to come to work that day? >> curiosity. , the look back on it golden age of newspapering. ben bradley was already a legend. he wanted to work for him and it was an atmosphere in which there were no stops. there was a sense that you could go and do anything, the day i started working for the washington post the city editor ,ook me out to lunch and said you have an unlimited account, you can take anyone out, you can go to the jockey club every day but make sure you get good that.s >> we did say

>> when did this crime story into matter for you? saturday, it was a but the next day i came to work, i was well known for working a lot. i saw who it gotten the story, woodward and bernstein, two guys that i did not know very well. we tried to hire bob once and we had no place. we sent him out to prince george's county >> montgomery county. >> montgomery county, and said come back in a year.

we had a slot open at that time and hired him. was a different cat altogether. it worked for the evening star, which was the evening paper in washington. we had hired him because he had shown, i thought, a special talent for writing. i was more interested in his writings in his reporting. we were more interested in this guy's reporting than his writing. not that either was bad. [laughter] >> they were both good. we got your attention with the 25,000 go we did the worth check story. here is a check that had been given to the nixon campaign,

it'd gone to murray stands who was the chief fundraiser. -- and it upd up in the bank account of one of the rock watergate burglars. you're always interested in money in the stories. uphave a $25,000 check show in a miami bank, deposited by some guy who had no -- what was his name? >> bernard parker. >> i had never heard of him before. -- everything came together and we had the two guys waiting. stories in the next two and a half years. that is a lot of stories. in newspapers, we are famous for

abandoning stories, no women, no sex, no nothing. they're out of there in three weeks. [laughter] >> do you think your experience with the pentagon papers publication shape how you dealt with their stories? >> some of you probably don't know about the pentagon papers. the pentagon papers was a story that the washington post was beating on. the new york times had uncovered this grand study of what was going on in the pentagon. it was a devastating indictment of american government. we did not have it. when we got it, we went to work on it. that formed a confidence in ourselves.

,specially in katharine graham who was the owner of the post. was actually the owner, but he was a manic depressive and in a state where he was not often around. it. is how we got know, even though we were second on the story, we did very well. we started breaking story. >> the significance was that you with theishing government saying, don't you dare publish an action going to the supreme court and saying, we the government have a claim that this should not be published -- >> top-secret. national security is involved. as if some of us did not know a little bit about national security, having spent years in the war.

i had a lot of top-secret clearances. the supreme court ruled in favor of the press. >> what that did was set in stole -- in stone, there is no prepublication censorship. there is no ability the government has. the not have the power to come in -- >> the cannot tell you not to write something before you do it. they can put you in the slammer afterwards. [laughter] i would like you to take us to the courtroom. recount for us that moment captured in the film. when you're in the courtroom, what you hear? >> on this wonderful saturday, they sent me down to the routine arraignment hearing of the five burglars. his were not your average d.c.

burglars. they all had suits. $100 bills in their pocket, very sophisticated electronic equipment. in,five guys who paraded the judge starts asking them what they did. the lead burglar, who was named james mccord, when asked. up --urch should speak the judge said speak up. he finally said cia. those are electric words. i knew one of the burglars, believe it or not. how the hell -- >> he never told us that. [laughter]

>> gonzales. frank. . so, that gave momentum to the story. how is it that the lead burglar who is head of security at the cia and head of security for the nixon reelection committee was involved in this? carl and i wrote subsequent stories on it and you look back on it and it seems like the trail was obvious. at the time, it was not clear. the big break in the next couple entry inas the simple the address books of two of the burglars.

one of the bedrock police reporters got this information --m his police sources >> who seized it from the burglar. >> the burglars took everything in their pocket. -- w house.ard hunt [laughter] bernstein who had more imagination than i -- howard .unt-w house w house can only be one of two things. [laughter] >> so he called the whorehouse and i called the white house. [laughter] it was a time when you could get through and howard hunt got on the phone and i said, mr.

hunt, how come your name is in the address books of two of these burglars? we did not call it watergate in the democratic headquarters back then. he caused and said, good god. slammed down the phone. [laughter] there was a certain, i am packing my bags quality to it. it got your attention. here, you seet that aldermen and next in, that day or the next day are talking about howard hunt. we have disappeared him, and we unn under disappear him -- o disappear him. did your senior colleagues at

jealousy asw any the stories were starting or do they do the opposite? >> they ignored the story for one day or two days. startedew, they shouting as only a senior reporter who is being lapped by a senior -- junior reporter can shuffle. they were whispering to me that it was about time that they took over the story. , these guys had the goods and they were delivering the goods. why the hell would i go to some big shot just because he was a he wasr -- just because an expert in the home or some

foreign affairs thing? we never gave it a thought. that was the beginning of it all. it, it islook back on rather amazing that you lead -- let us stay on the story -- >> i always thought so. [laughter] did you let them go with every story they wanted to go with? >> what? >> did you let them go? is,he way the system works once the first story or two stories is in and it holds up, and no one is suing you, saying, what the hell are you doing, let them go. they knew the story. they found a check.

it was a check for $25,000. the interesting thing was there we wrote stories on things called typewriters. [laughter] six kleinould be paper -- would get a carbon copy and the other editors and you look at it and very frequently, you would say, i want to know more about this. hold this story. and this is now your chance to apologize. [laughter] >> let me say it, you're a great

editor, not just because of what you published, but what you didn't publish. you said, i'm not yet convinced, we need more information, more sources, or details -- more details. say,uld then curse you and bradley, he thinks he knows everything and then we would go to work. the sources and information were available and you were always willing to say, ok, the story is ready. editormiting role of an is so relevant now in journalism, where there are no -- nobody says no in a sense.

everything gets published. anyone can say anything now. i look back on it and i cherish those moments when you said, not yet. >> thank you. that is very nice. [applause] >> tell us about the source that most people know about. when deep throat becomes important to your reporting. >> he becomes important in the first days when we had howard hunt, who was a consultant who worked in the white house for one colson who was really of nixon's special counsel. the connection between hunt and colson is really important.

i can have your name in my address book and if i am arrested for burglary or something, it does not mean you put me up to it. , who was not felt identified to anyone at the post , ithat point, and said turns out he was the guy getting all the watergate information from the washington field office. i said, what is this hunt connection? worried.- i was is this a linkage without substance? worry, it cannot say something unkind about howard hunt or chuck colson but does not have merit. [laughter] important. very as we now go back and construct the fbi investigation, they

established hunt's role. he was not one of the burglars, but he was outside that night and was the operational director of this burglary team. mark felt becomes important right away. bradlee. not tell mr. you just tell them what? >> there is a senior source in a justice department who is verifying details we are getting elsewhere. >> that surprises me about me. again, but, done it if it was so hard to quibble with success, he was right. always money involved. and it washows up what you would heard it was going to be and where it should be.

you know you have got a tiger by the tail. why not leave well enough alone? i could not do it again. >> wasn't unusual for you to have a reporter come to you with a major story and say, i cannot tell you the source of this story, but trust this? >> it was unusual but not unheard of to say, i have a source. in the beginning, who gives a dam about who the source is so long as he's right? how many corrections did we run? one.n the whole time -- something had happened in front of a grand jury that had not taken it to the grand jury. it was in front of the united states's attorney.

in a story that is moving fast like that, if you had taken me aside and called me into your office and said, i need to know who the source is, of course i would've told you. this was the dumb luck factor in all of this. we always had multiple sources. we always had something, as you .ay, a check or a secret fund who controls these disbursements? getting it from people mostly in the next and committee -- nixon committee. there was never a moment where --geelt, g i need to know i need to know. you did not have to ever take

anything back. suddenly, it was after watergate was in it? it was after -- >> after next and resigned -- nixon resigned. said, do actually know his name? and i said, no. it occurred to me that that was dumb. [laughter] bob and i walked into a neighboring park one day and we sat down. we had a chat and i got his name. it, but at least i had it. graham used to come down for times a day and said,

what does deep throat say today? didn't ask his name. had we kept that secret for more than 30 years. >> i didn't tell my wife. [laughter] >> that is a secret. >> good decision. isn't it one of the russian novelists who said, the only way three people can keep a secret is if two of them are dead? we were all very much alive but it was in our interest to keep our word. as a working reporter up to this day, it helps me immensely when i go talk to people and say, look this is a confidence i'm

not going to say where it came , there is ay say history of keeping your word on this. this is a serious commitment. katharine graham with her ask.on the line did not i am appalled by that today. >> was there a point in the watergate investigation when you got scared? constantly. >> a moment when you're particularly afraid? 1973.was in the spring of i think this was somewhat my paranoia. andas his literal language he said, the stakes are so high that people's lives could be in

danger and that there is electronic surveillance going on. the entire intelligence community is involved in shenanigans, as we later learned. -- he had some glimpse in his position in the fbi. >> you were sound asleep, 3:00 and woodwardg calls and says, we have to see you now. [laughter] >> so i say, all right and they came out. --ad a house >> wesley heights. > we not on the door, carl and i, and he comes out in his jammies. [laughter] pretty by not very

the way. cold andnd out in the they tell me the story, and i could not believe it. it was so hard to believe. woodward said the house is tapped, which we later tested. all our houses are tested every few months and they never were, as far as we knew. you -- also telling >> we were telling you what mark felt said. everyone is involved, nixon is involved. there's a forward momentum to it that you cannot comprehend. i remember laying that out to you and you were listening and kind of, should i call the guys in white jackets?

we are telling you this on your lawn, and it was cold. >> 3:00 in the morning, nothing unusual about that. ,> in the movie version of this jason robards who plays been in the movie version -- who plays been in the movie version, at guys go home ok and take a bath and get back on the beat. stake, just the first amendment and the future of the country. [laughter] said.t is not what ben that is a hollywood version. that is with the people in the movie wanted it to be, but it was not. after all of this is told to us and said,d to

what the hell do we do now? [laughter] >> you love that story don't you? >> i love that story because you said exactly the right thing. we were going into uncharted territory. none of us had the experience of dealing with something like this. instead of taking your stick out and showing you are the boss and in charge, you honestly said, i do not know what to do. but we did was kept reporting, we maintained our whole approach, multiple sources. let's make sure that this is a

time when i was going over to the nixon white house and weading with them saying, know that this is going to reach new levels. we want to talk to president nixon about this. ande are now tapes of nixon ziegler talking about my request to talk to nixon which was not necessarily well received. [laughter] rememberve got to also , newspapers is a competitive business. there was no other newspaper that had the story, that wrote the story. a couple of months, about six --ks in

the l.a. times at one. it's was not a mass except best acceptance of the rest of the press. >> help one want -- walter cronkite did the story. but hewon't believe it went on television with a two .ight segment he said, i cannot get it all in one night. >> one was seven or eight minutes. >> there were both supposed, but -- who wast the fan, head of cbs? the second down to six minutes or seven minutes. great white was the father of that time.

--walter cronkite said it >> this was written for the 72 election, maybe 10 days before. it looks like nixon is going to be reelected. and in the stories were all about our reporting. the washington post said this, and the white house denies it. moneyhere are checks and and the secret fund and sabotage and espionage. for cbs and walter cronkite to do that was gutsy. peoplehave got to tell the story of your copy machine isversation with carl, which about at this time. this is something you did not write about in the present -- "all the president's men."

hit written a story about -- >> i'm not making gestures at you. [laughter] >> this is the fall of 1972, when we had written a lot of the stories. mitchellem was, john convio former attorney general had been in charge of the secret and that financed watergate undercover activities. meeting beforee publishing the story, we had better be careful. we are accusing the former chief law enforcement officer of the united states of being a crook. ,f we were going through this carl and i and one of our , aning sessions in the post

little corner room with a had the worst couple coffee goodbye for $.15 -- you could buy for $.15. nixon is going to be impeached. i just thought for a moment and right, butnk you are we can never use that word around this newsroom. we can never think in those terms because we have to stick to the story, which is what we attempted to do. but that was carl connecting the dots and realizing that you cannot have some elect john mitchell as attorney general, campaign manager so close to nixon, so deeply involved in this and that is not going to spread to nixon. >> give the election in

november 1972. the present is reelected. did thing start to dry up for you? point, i think then gave an interview saying he wanted to hold our heads in a bucket of water. they did try out and we did not -- they did try out and we did not have stories for a long time. >> that is just a loose bug. [laughter] let me tell the story, ben has mentioned katharine graham. during that. -- duringelection that period after the election, our sources dried up. at that moment, then can verify this.-ben can verify

most people -- >> there was a group that didn't. >> particularly on the national stage. the a-team. you strive to get on the national staff. we later learned that one of wassecret nixon strategies to challenge the fcc tv licenses .hat the post company owned our journalistic reputation was on the rim of the toilet. [laughter] >> katharine graham asked me for lunch. 1973.s january our member going up to lunch to howard -- with howard simons. sat down and she started asking

me questions about watergate. it blew my mind how much she knew about the details. well,ew henry kissinger at one point she even said, i read something about watergate in the chicago tribune. i member thinking, what is she reading the chicago tribune for? no one in chicago does. [laughter] >> is even more the case now -- it is even more the case now. she was scooping up all the information. this management style she had of mind off best mind on hands off. she did not tell me how to report. she was intellectually engaged.

her mind was totally active on it. it was comforting and it also meant -- >> tremendously motivating. you do not want to let someone like that down. >> at the end of the lunch, she whichhe killer question is, when are we going to find out the whole truth about watergate? --aid carl, and then and i they're paying people for silence. we visit people and they slam doors in our faces. the answer, when are we going to find out the whole truth of watergate, is never. our member looking cross that table and she had this pain, wounded look in her eyes and said, never?

don't tell me never. i left the lunch a motivated employee. [laughter] this is so important. what she said was not a threat but a statement of purpose. what she said was, use all the resources that you and carl have . all the resources of this newspaper. we have an obligation to get to the bottom of this story, not just because we are out on a limb, but because of the -- the impatient go beyond journalism. if we believe this is true and it is proven, something is going 10 on the richter scale. chair. it from your it from my chair, a reporter

having the publisher say, go after it. use everything, we're going to the bottom of this. it is incredibly liberating. someday, we are going to put a plaque in the lobby of the washington post and bolted to the wall so no one can take it down and it is simply going to "never, do not tell me never ." [applause] >> you have had a few years to think about this. in retrospect, what role to you think carl bernstein and bob played in the outcome of watergate?

what role did you play? >> he is not the person to answer to that. he played a critical role. i'm not saying it would never have come out, but it would not have come out at the time it came out. it sure as hell would not have interested. no network would have touched that story. unknowns ando many they controlled licenses. terror verboten. stay the hell out. you know, who is to say never? , and youappened is know because of what you have done in your watergate exhibit.

you know as a professional historian, the importance of chronology. you have got to understand, this happened before this, this happened before that. , where there was real impact was with two subscribers of the washington post. .he first was judge silica in his courtroom, they had watergate burglars and howard hunt, the operational commanders , and they presented the case saying, gordon liddy is the mastermind, no higher-ups are involved. judge syringe, is reading in the washington post regularly that higher-ups are involved. agolked to him many years -- many years later about this and he said when he saw that, he

cranked up his questioning of the burglars. he threatened to 25 year sentences if they did not start cooperating. and wrote his famous letter saying there was perjury in higher-ups were involved. judge -- the the second subscriber was senator sam merman. >> does anybody member sam ervin? [applause] irving called me and said, come see me. this was jane graves's 1973 also. he said, we are going to think about investigating watergate. i've read your stories, the implications are incredible. we have an obligation as a

senate to launch an inquiry. who are your sources? i said, we cannot name our sources. any said, i understand that, but we're going to go ahead. i hoping get to the bottom of the deputy campaign manager. they launch that investigation, one of the anomalies is, it was voted 77-0 by the senate. many republicans signing on for this investigation. it was the gold standard of investigations. they got testimony from everyone which were crucial to unraveling what really happened in watergate. peoplesal connection,

make extravagant claims about the press or the post bringing down the president. that is not true. what happened is, the agencies of government the senate, eventually the house of representatives, impeachment your -- inquiry. the justice department realized they could not do this through normal channels. >> general was about to go to jail. .> there were problems agencies of government launched an inquiry into this and took the kinds of testimony and got the kind of evidence and so forth that establish what really happened. >> before we go to questions, tell us what you remember august 9 1974, the day the president resigned.

god. it was one of the longest days of my life. if you know what it takes to assemble a paper, you probably do not know what it takes to disassemble a paper, which we had to do that night. rinky-dinkant some feature story on page one with all the news. absolute sure with the news was. -- not absolutely sure what the news was ver. the night before, he went on television and announced that he was going to resign. >> we have sources were close. >> like barry goldwater --

.> that was our secret source a rethought that barry goldwater would have a friend at the washington post. wife's mother's, boyfriend. [laughter] >> too much information. >> as nice as -- as nice a man as ever drew a breath. he was tremendously useful source. >> that last week he told you, is going to resign but do not say so in the post because that will cause him to stay. [laughter] you know, that question, it

was in the real east room where nixon called together his friends and senior it was nixon unscripted. and he talked about his mother and his father. it was a very emotional -- no. it was. >> yes. >> it is nixon raw. there was a moment in that speech, which i think is so important to the nixon presidency and the legacy of nixon. and that is near the end -- he waved his hands kind of like, this is why i called you all here. he said "always remember, others may hate you, but those who hate you don't win unless you hate