appreciable share of the cost. furthermore it all medical studies because there were several task force is the last couple of years it was taken for granted that if and when we did expand medicaid we would have a provision to hold the state harmless. >> it is time if you would like to go back for a rebuttal governor if you would like. you have 30 seconds. >> first of all, the mayor -- thee with representative stated those covered by medicaid expansion only has access to emergency care that is not true nearly half today have private insurance or can't get subsidized health insurance for subsidized health insurance for as little as 2% of their income.

and also to have the subsidized insurance working as little as three hours per week at the -- 30 hours per week at the minimum wage. they also have the opportunity to the health care agencies and on a sliding scale. there is access and more than just emergency care teeeighteen that is time. -- more than just emergency care. >> that is time. michael, you can have 30 seconds if you would like. >> let's make sure that medicaid money is spent in the right location. we can spend $1 billion for medicaid but to shift that priority egad. -- give priority, again, to the nursing homes and to the elderly. >> representative, you have 30 seconds. >> regarding half of the population that technically does have access the state does its darnedest to make a self-fulfilling prophecy of the failure of the affordable care act by not promoting to the people that they're eligible for the health care changes.

if we expanded medicaid me but -- expanded medicaid, we would help make many more people productive members of this society because we would treat the chronic conditions that keeps them out of the workforce. we take a lot of federal money in this state we have no problem when it's goes to veterans or roads or aid subsidies but the fact we refuse to take the $300 million so far i find immoral. >> thanks to all three of you. we are going to move on now. answer first.ill we are going to to talk about economic development. here's the question. improving economic development on a state wide scale is an issue many candidates have addressed is important for south dakota. can you provide a specific plan you will to implement that will improve south dakota even in the most rural areas of the state? >> eleanor roosevelt said

happiness is not a goal. it is a byproduct. i would suggest that economic development is a byproduct of the energy of what we can bring to all of the communities of course, i'm doing something that kind of radical. i have an opportunity to meet with lawyers and other people -- they said don't use the word. is hemp. agricultural and industrial hemp -- several states have done this. the farm bureau wants this, and we are sitting on top of a $1 billion industry particularly on the reservations that we refuse to take advantage of because of

the lobbying influence of big oil, lumber and cotton growers. >> thank you for your answer. representative wismer provide specific plans to help and improve economic development even in the most rural parts of south dakota. down theters turned governor's first economic relevant program a few years ago at the polls. and the legislature came back we did a very good job to come together on a bipartisan basis with a compromise proposal that included several injured zero areas to economic development. besides refunds of some of the extra taxes that economic developers find in south the alsouth dakota, we included four very important elements.

number one, housing provision so projected to be in our small communities, that perhaps don't have enough housing stock we could address those issues. we also included a provision so english as a second language got a boost in the education formula. provisions toed help small communities address infrastructure needs and roads and water and sewer projects and finally, we addressed the need small communities have to build infrastructure person know and -- personnel and the economic capability to address the economic development. but this year it tore apart that -- this past year, the governor tore apart that funding mechanism and put it at risk for the next several years. thank you. >> governor you too can talk about economic development so

-- the question provide specific , plans to implement economic development emperor of -- even in rural parts of south dakota. >> thank you. i have to laugh there is the -- at the assertion i tore apart funding when it was the belief it would generate $7 million per year into that program by pre-funded that $30 million if apartif that is tearing the funding, i would love to have people tear apart the funding for me all day long. south dakota has great success over the last four years from voters to raise to energy and employers have added new locations all over the state. the more common situation is the existing employers that are growing.

and addeding in parts new workers this year. 3m announced their second expansion in four years with tremendous growth for three reasons. we have a low cost and low tax environment and a great work forces by work hard to strengthen those factors to keep taxes low and repeal the unnecessary regulations in welding and machines and other areas and scholarship dollars for high demand high tech jobs . we have a gain of the jobs we have lost that is not economic development and i don't know

what is. >> we're at the rebuttal portion of this issue of economic development. >> let's recognize we live in a different world of information technology. and we can no longer expect big companies to come into the small towns. we have to optimize the ability and we cannot have clinics because they're too small but information and technology i believe is an area to bring the quality of life to these small towns from centerville that we don't lock our doors the vicky's -- i leave the keys in the car and information technology is one way to keep fatality in our communities. >> it is time. >> as i was referring to the funding mechanism for economic development, my reference was it is a battle between the

executive and legislative branch. it is the small plane to -- a small point as all of the citizens of the state are concerned, but it is very important to the continuing confidence we can have with a balanced approach to economic development and that has been threatened by the changes made to use the plan daugaard: no -- to the plan. >> thank you. governor, you have 30 seconds. >> no rebuttal. >> we will move on we will begin with representative -- representative wismer to talk about eb5. somepast year has shown serious problems with south dakota's program which is a federal program designed to improve rural development it could be considered one of the bigger political scandals if you -- bigger political scandals. has come up in the

governor's race. if you should win the job as south dakota a governor how we -- as governor of south dakota, how will you work to insure incidents like what has happened do not happen again? you have 90 seconds. >> the major takeaways for the state is an example of the consequences of what happens when real-estate governments to be completely in control of one party for 40 years. not just legislative but executive as well. and having a democrat in the governor's chair would solve the problem. what i see as i try to understand all the pieces of this puzzle is that the lines between public and private have

become so blurred over the last 40 years that it is difficult for those involved to tell the difference between. as a member of the government operations committee from the beginning i was asking, let's not just talk about what it was that this governor wanted to talk about which is the topic that he prescribed but instead the eb5lk about to b program because i knew that as a resident of the northeastern part of this state that there were bad things happening we -- and we were conducting business in the good name of the state of south dakota and there were bad actors involved and that needed to stop. so the solution is balance with state government. >> the question is if you should

win the job of south dakota governor how we do work to ensure incidents that happened with the program in our state don't happen again? >> when i learned the u.s. attorney was investigating this issue i asked the state attorney general to undertake a separate investigation of this issue. if there was something wrong, i wanted to know about it when the -- and when the attorney general's investigation became available i immediately made it public because the report indicated the potential for internal controls diaster three separate audits. i asked for three separate and when those became available i made them public. legislation at every

turn and i have answered every question that i can. to look at the audits to identify the ways to strengthen internal controls is exactly the kind of thing you want to do to avoid recurrence of any wrongdoing. there is no one in my administration who is the target of any investigation i believe -- of any investigation. i believe criminal prosecutions are the province of the state's attorney general and u.s. attorney and i invite those who claim there are bad actors to come forward with their names and identify them. if there truly worthy of indictment than the system is there to indict them teeeighteen -- to indict them. >> mike, you are next. if you should win the job of south dakota governor how we work to insure incidents like the program in south dakota? >> getting rid of bad actors like governor daugaard and those

previously but when i'm governor i'm going to appoint a special independent attorney and send out those invitations. i want governor daugaard and others to come in under oath we -- we have had no testimony under a. i gave testimony in front of a committee. i was ruled out of order. y? -- why? because i was pushing them to issue subpoenas and the governor i will try to accomplish that. >> we have some time for rebuttals representative wismer you have 30 seconds. >> it is important for the citizens of south dakota to know this governor did learn about litigation regarding the activities he had taken in a

separate signing of the contract. his office was apprised of that in february 2009. also, it is important to wonder why this administration did not hire richard benda. why was that? also this administration did not stop the activity until just one year ago. >> governor daugaard you have time for rebuttal. >> it is important to remind the viewers that was not an office -- i was not in office in february 2009 and was not the governor was the lieutenant lieutenantthe governor and the lieutenant governor under the state constitution it performs the duties assigned to him and this was not in any way my assignment so to suggest to had some knowledge is stretching the truth.

>> michael you also have 30 seconds. >> i believe this is south dakota's watergate and we will find that out when i am governor. >> we will move on. governor daugaard to talk about natural disasters. south dakota has dealt with its share of natural disasters. they have taken a toll on the citizens mentally and financially. the state cannot always depend on the federal government to provide assistance after a disaster. what can be done at the state level to provide more security should a future natural disaster hit? >> i am proud of the record my administration has just six -- has created during my administration. just months into office we had six record flooding on the missouri river. i called up the national guard and we had the largest

activation in the state's history in response and we scrambled and build levees on both sides of the river and those others downstream in the area. and in the years that followed we responded to record numbers of wildfires we responded to ice storms and this summer flooding again on the sioux river and a tornado. in every instance to have acted -- i have acted promptly to call up the national guard to provide aid when needed and local governments are the first responders. this stage is always that the ready to provide help we come in to offer the ideas of suggestions of what can be provided. financially we have always been careful to arrange for repairs or advanced defenses that

fema, reimbursement where available and we have a good record with assistance to appeal the decision against it and we were successful so we have done a good job providing financial assistance where we could. >> what can be done and at this state level to provide more security in the event we have a natural disaster in the future? >> we need to recognize that water and storms and snow they do not recognize and respect county line. and counties struggle and fight and compete over the cost of that damage i believe governor

daugaard have done this many to -- and we need to bring them together. there is a way to share in the cost of responding to mother nature. >> representative wismer you go last. what can be done at the state level to have more security should a future natural disaster hit south dakota? >> i am quite familiar with the dollar's that assists and from disasters, the wildfires and the floods. the average person would be surprised how many of those come -- those dollars come from the federal government and it is incumbent upon us to be sure we spend those as wisely as possible i just read this week

using disaster money they received to bury the power lines and we definitely need to do that because we have incurred millions and millions of dollars the last few years and one way to put an end to those losses is to get the power lines underground. as far as concerns did we have appropriate communication with the army corps of engineers had engineers, as a member of the national legislators for him i have had the opportunity to listen to the corps of engineers that to -- and they are definitely planning on changing some of their communication methods to make sure that is what happened on the missouri river does not happen again. homeland security dollars really keep us going in south dakota as the nexteparing us for

disaster. if there's opportunity for rebuttal. >> i have no rebuttal. >> i just have one observation . we've south dakota -- we south dakotans don't like big government. we like other people's big government and my friend said this health dakota had to stand -- that south dakota had to stand on its own financial feat it would look like cuba of. we will take advantage of all the federal dollars with exactly that. >> getting close to the end time for one additional bonus question and you will each have one minute to respond there is no time for a rebuttal but it has to do with transparency. michael you will go first year

, -- go first. here is your question. what is one concrete thing you would do if elected to make south dakota government more transparent? you have one minute. forum.people's i did the alcohol form. we will have a form, just like the washington journal. they can call in, independent, and democrat, republican, and myers, you arer. the most wonderful governor we've ever run into with your background experience we admire everything you have got our they call to say how could we ever have elected a person like you? i want to open dialogue and that will be a populism my government style teeeighteen representative -- and that will be my popular government style. >> representative wismer you go next.

if elected what we do to make -- what would you do to make south dakota government more transparent? >> as a democratic legislator if it is frustrating as all decisions are made behind closed doors we tell our counties and schools and cities they need to put all business out in the open but in a decision of consequence is made in the closed governor'' conference room or a closed caucus or the pre-committee committee meeting this and -- where noses are counted and permission is parceled out in vote in theout to choose. they can gerrymander as much as they want to, but they cannot gerrymander the state as a

whole. we could have some relatively put a democrat into the governor share. >> what is one concrete thing you do to champion if the elected to make cells the coated government more transparent? >> first, let me offer some examples of ways i have already made government more transparent . open task force with the newspaper association it is an improvement to the open meetings clause and open record clause. some of the legislature would not support them but we got those legislative changes so people can understand is rules got those legislative changes. we have also improved the rulemaking process and i have gotten good praise for all that effort. we posted the economic

development awards on the web site. i would do inhing the future and i'm already working on it is improving the access citizens have to boards and commissions. minutes to make a centralized web site to find access to over 100 boards and commissions in south dakota. >> thanks to all three of you. it is time for the closing comments part of this debate. they will share their closing thoughts with us tonight. each will have one minute to -- have one minute. and we did draw names to determine the order in which they would go and it will be representative wismer first followed by governor daugaard and then michael myers will have the final words tonight. representative wismer this is your opportunity to share your final thoughts with our south dakota viewers.

>> thank you again. us ancestors gave well-educated citizenry and strong communities in infrastructure. .ut we are not doing our part we are not being good stewards of what our ancestors gave us. we are allowing our frustration with the federal government and the extremist partisan rhetoric affect our judgment about state issues. and our communities are paying a price for that everyday. in our starving schools and our newly bankrupt nursing homes and our crumbling roads and bridges. now, if wefrom continue on the path we are on, what will we have done to our children's chances for success? i'm tired of being told, it could be worse. when our future could be so much better.

we are better than that here in south dakota. and we should and can more than -- expect more than that from our loaders. as governor, i would lead to that higher ground. thank you. >> thank you, representative. governor, you now have one minute to visit with the vote -- voters of south dakota. >> thank you. across the country, pool are -- people are recognizing that good things are happening in south dakota. it was called the best run state in america. cnbc called us the number one state for business. our taxes are among the lowest in the nation. in the political year, it's sometimes hard to remember the good news but it us true. our unemployment restaurant is -- unemployment rate is second lowest in the nation. our student tennessee scores are above -- test scores are above the national average weapon -- above the national average. our communities are among the safeest in our nation and our

population and economy are growing faster than the nation. i know that government doesn't deserve credit for most of this, but i worked hard to help south dakota families and businesses achieve success. i'd be grotful for the -- i would be grateful for the opportunity to serve as your governor again. >> mike you have one minute to shower your thought with voters. -- share your thoughts with the voters. >> well, there's something going on out there. a level of anxiety and underlying anger among the people i meet and talk with. and i really believe that we need to respond to that ang -- anger and anxiety. i believe i'm uniquely qualified to do that because, again, i won't be looking for a second term. i have the background, healthcare is my priority.

when they walk in that ballot box for the first time in decades, democrats and republicans, we know this is a republican state. this is a tough run for susan. what about doing something different and challenging and let myers go in there and not rage against the machine but maybe put some new spark plugs in it. >> thank you. and that is all the time we have. i'd like to thank the candidates for joining us. republican candidate, governor do guard. democratic candidate, state representative, susan wismer. if you missed part of the broadcast you can listen to the audio version of the debate tomorrow on sdpbrodow's mid-dow program. that noon central, 11:00 a.m. mountain. tonight's televised debate us -- is archived on our web site.

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challenger, martha roby it's in. here is a look at some of the ads running in that district. robertson's extreme liberal agenda is already hurting us. robertson opposed refitting a power plant with natural gas. she she didn't get her way, threatened to shut it down. she is willing to secretary's -- sacrifice our jobs and our community for her extreme liberal agenda. it's wrong for us. >> country first. community first. tom reed put himself first by voting for $200,000 in tax breaks for wealthy people like himself. then he voted to raise by $2000.ss taxes martha robertson will vote to

cut middle-class taxes. it's time to put these two first again. >> i martha robertson, and i approve this message. >> i'm tom reed, and i approve this message. >> we know from martha robertson's own words that she supports obama care, higher taxes, and nancy pelosi. whether we take her word or her vote for it, the story remains the same. martha robertson is an extreme liberal, too radical for us. >> tom reed is attacking martha robertson with false tv ads. but facts have to matter. reid voted to raise the retirement age for social security. why? to pay for his vote to give tax breaks to millionaires like himself.

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for governor of arkansas. asset much andis then, former senator. his democratic challenger is mike ross, a former congressman. leaning republican. this took place in little rock. it is about 40 five minutes. >> live from the university of arkansas at little rock, channel seven news presents an election central special, the arkansas gubernatorial debate. this broadcast is presented in little rock. now, your host, and the moderator for tonight's debate, channel sevens scott inman. >> from inside the university theatre, we welcome you to the 2014 gubernatorial debates.

hello, everyone, i am your moderator for tonight's debate, scott inman. importantu have an decision to make. four weeks from today is election day, and we hope that over the next hour, we will help you make that decision from what is said here in two nights debates -- tonight's debates. who will be the next governor of the great state of arkansas? two of the gentleman who want that job are here tonight. without further delay, let's welcome them. >> it is obvious we have a pretty lively crowd here tonight with us. this theater holds about 650,

many of them filling the seats tonight. to takee begin, we want a moment to go over the rules for the debate tonight. the candidates will each have two minutes for their opening statements, the order determined by a coin flip earlier in the week. tonight consists of three question and rebuttal aatements, followed by segment we are calling the spin room when the candidates represented this give us their analysis of the debate and tell us how they think there can't -- their candidate performed. analysts will be allowed to ask questions.tio up questions and rebuttals will be timed and the candidates will be if they go over the allotted time. that will be my job as the

moderator despite everything my mother taught me about not interacting people when they are talking. i have to do that tonight. finally, each candidate will have a two-minute closing statement. these welcome our panelists tonight. angela taylor and ruby rock. to remind you that if you want to follow the action tonight, you can follow us on twitter.dia on find the play-by-play and even chime in. as we mentioned a moment ago, a coin flip determined who would go first. the winner of that was mr. hutchinson. you, scott. i appreciate the sponsors and the school for hosting this debate.

this is an important debate for arkansas's future, and i am delighted to be joined by my wife in the auditorium. for 41 been married years. when we got married, the preacher said i hope they have enough struggles in life to keep them close to the lord. has been prayer answered, and in our life we have had enough troubles to stay close to the lord. dad were married during the depression years. they have understood struggle. today, we have a struggling arkansas.ss in they are trying to make ends meet. they're working two jobs. they want to move up the economic ladder, but it is hard to do so. fore, that is what running governor is about, focusing on economic and job creation for the middle class. i have a specific plan i have

laid out that will help us to address the job creation we need, better paying jobs moving up the economic ladder. it starts with a competitive tax system in arkansas, computer science in every high school. whenever you look at our state, i think it is important that we bind together. live ineen blessed to northwest arkansas and central arkansas. i have grandchildren in both places. i think that is what binds us together. the nfib represents small business all across arkansas. they endorsed my candidacy because they see me as someone that can move our state forward in job creation and economic growth for the greatest future for our children and grandchildren.

>> i too would like to thank and talk businessen for hosting this debate this evening. for statewideun office. for those who don't know me, i would like to share a little bit of who i am. i am the grandson of a railroad nurse.and the my parents were school teachers. i have been married for 31 years to my best friend. her name is holly. she is a pharmacist. she is here tonight and honey, i love you so very, very much. she has given us two grown children -- two children who are all grown up now. we even picked up a son-in-law in the last year or two, and we love him too. i understand local government and rural arkansas. spent 10 years in the arkansas

state senate. i spent 12 years in congress. you are fed up with washington, i was so fed up i didn't run again. i was fed up with partisan bickering and dysfunction. time in congress, i was consistently listed as one of the most independent members of congress. i have a history and a record of bringing people together, and that is what i will do as governor. i have a positive vision for the future of this state. it starts with education. my parents were school teachers. they taught me at an early age the power of education. i want to create more and better paying jobs in the state. that's how we grow the middle class. talking about to my plans for lower and fairer taxes for equal pay and equal work for women. and to put an end to the domestic violence in arkansas. if you are listening from home, thank you for tuning in and

thank you for caring about the future of our state. >> thank you mr. ross. openingcludes the statement portion. we will now go right into the questioning. >> both of you have expressed your support for raising the minimum wage to $8.25 per hour. tell me how you came to the conclusion of supporting the minimum wage proposal. did you feel low income workers needed the raise or that businesses could absorb the hit? avoid thent to potential negative attack ads that might come along? >> i have always supported, since i was first asked in 2012, an increase in the state minimum wage. i will be voting for the amendment to raise the minimum wage. important not to focus on what is the minimum wage in arkansas, but i want to

have folks move up the economic ladder. it's about better paying jobs, not minimum wage dogs, and that is what i am focused on. mr. ross talks about being independent in congress. he had an opportunity when mr. amendmentred an making sure you could keep your health insurance if you liked it, he did not cross party lines to vote for the amendment. that. you will explain that is an example of where i think there has been partisanship in washington. i have demonstrated an ability to work together across the island i look forward to doing that. i have been a consistent supporter of raising the minimum wage. either sounds like a slick lawyer or a slick politician and he has been both.

he was against the ballot initiative to raise the minimum wage in arkansas before he was for it. you have to make decisions not based on public polling, but you have to make decisions from the heart, and i can tell you this. people that get up and go to deserve better and that is why i have been a consistent supporter of raising the minimum wage. >> thank you. you both expressed support for pre-k funding but with varying degrees of commitment. what is your position and how is it different from your opponent? >> thank you. that has been a hallmark of my campaign. start soonerve to and finish stronger. i have a pre-k plan. if you are a parent of a and you want them in a pre-k classroom, that

should be possible regardless of your income or your zip code. said myman hutchinson plan was the wrong plan for arkansas before he decided he was for additional pre-k. says one thing in arkansas and does another in washington. home, we do what we say we say what we do. >> mr. ross should not misrepresent my position. he also should recognize that there is a distinction between let you support in congress as a national initiative versus a state initiative. as governor, i supported expanding pre-k when it comes to the households who need it the most, those who are below 200% poverty.

thanport that rather of poverty, 300% which is what mr. ross does. we want to fund the existing program first. hutchinson, you both are committed to taxcutting proposals. what is the biggest difference between your plans? >> the difference of mine is doable. we have a clear objective for next year. mr. ross will not say what he session.do in the next he says "as revenues come in." he wants to cut $70 million a year and he won't even tell us what he wants to do next year.

his is pie-in-the-sky. mine is a doable plan. my objective is different. and that is to lower the tax rate. we are not competitive with the rate in arkansas. i would lower that to 6.5%. for people who are struggling, start there. lower it from seven to six or 625%. six to objective -- or 5%. theobjective needs to be middle class. >> i have never been accused of hollering before. a plan for lower and fairer taxes. if a single mom working two make ends meet pays the

same tax rate as someone who makes 300 thousand dollars, there's nothing fair about it. this is the same debate that occurred in 2006. he said governor beebe he was making an empty promise because he wouldn't give us a timeline. governor beebe he said he would do it if we could afford it. that's what i will do. 40% of people who go to work every day in arkansas are not rich enough for hutchinson's tax plan. >> stay with us. more questions to come. more of the 2014 debate in just a moment. stay with us. we welcome you back for more of the 2014 gubernatorial debate between mike ross and asa

hutchinson. it is now angela taylor's turned to ask the next question. >> this has been debated by the courts and attorney general. where do you stand on open carry? >> i am a lifetime member of the nra. i earned an a from them in this campaign and an a plus each year that i was in congress. i have a concealed carry permit. in terms of open carry, there are some who believe that because of a change in legislative laws in recent years , perhaps it is legal. the attorney general has ruled that it is not legal. no one is more pro-gun than i am, but i think we have to be very careful on this. i will work with the legislature to see what we need to do on it. i have concerns talking to mom's who are out shopping and see ameone coming in carrying

gun. are they a bad guy? they have serious concerns about trying to distinguish between the good guys and bad guys. i have serious concerns about concealed carry. amended a lawture that said you can carry as long as there is not criminal intent. that is how most people interpret the law and how i understand it. likewise, the nra has given me a rating. it was when our second amendment under the greatest -- greatest assault in our country after sandy hook that his

knees buckled and he said he was for gun control. we have different opinions with regards to the second amendment. mr. hutchinson, are you convinced that a new state prison is going to need to be built in light of the parole problems we have seen and the high-profile tragedy case of beverly carter that was in the news recently? need additional prison space, but i am not convinced of the department of corrections has looked at enough options. i want to make sure there are multiple options on the table to provide prison space. i have been a federal prosecutor. i have worked with federal law enforcement and state law

enforcement all my career. law enforcement agencies, including the dea. i want to bring my experience to bear to reduce the threat of violent crime in arkansas to make our streets safe tour and -- savor, and also to make sure we have a more effective reentry program for those coming prison and alternatives when crimes are not violent, such as drug treatments. >> 32nd rebuttal. have about 2000 inmates in county jails. backed up. i am not sure we are going to need another prison or not but i can tell you this, we need meaningful prison reform. we need smarter sentencing, but

we also need tougher sentencing. we need to put an end to the revolving door. some folks need drug treatment. a ged.need others need job skills. but we learned recently with the tragic death in north little rock, some people never deserve to be out of prison. >> thank you. final question comes from angela. >> a lot of women will be watching this debate. have mentioned your wives. will bewins, your wife first lady. what causes will she champion? >> well, like so many women in arkansas, my wife gets up and goes to work every day. health care is a passion of hers. are finally number one in

something. she has expressed to me that she would love to help with people who have not had access to health care before to understand how powerful preventative medicine is and to address immunization in arkansas to that ourto ensure children are immunized so they will never face the horrible situation my mom had when she was a year old. she had polio. in spent more time children's hospitals than she did at home. she spent her life with a crutch and a brace but it never stopped her. she is a schoolteacher and i love her so much. >> it does not seem fair to if you 30 seconds to talk about your wife. >> she would be a terrific first lady and she would be able to speak for herself as to what issues she would like to address. passionateedibly

about children. she is an advocate for children who are abused or living in difficult home environments. whenever you look at the challenge of domestic violence, the challenge of drugs in the home, whenever you are looking at the challenge of abuse of children, i know that both she and i will work together to protect our children. >> thank you, gentlemen. halfway home. we have one more question and rebuttal statement -- segment. stay with us. welcome back to more of the 2014 gubernatorial debate. we want to remind you that if you want to follow along on , you can use the hash

tags. hutchinson, as governor, will you support the private ns,ion for uninsured arkansa and what is your position on the private option? >> with the private option, it is working well for we will hospitals and urban hospitals. it is reducing the indigent care they have had to cover for so many years. it is also helping those who have never had health insurance before. there are very good things about the private option. askit is important that we can we afford it over the long term? is it sustainable? can we afford it? we will have to pick up 10 percent of the cost while i am

governor in the first term. some groups who said it is working, but we want you to consider the cost. i asked, how do we find to this, how do we make it better? this, make it better? we know some moms and dads are getting health insurance for the first time, but for others, we need to figure out how we can improve it and how we can afford it. i don't think we got an answer on whether he will support or oppose the expansion. i have been clear from the beginning. as governor, i support the medicaid expansion. number one, it helps keep our hospitals. in myt a hospital hometown in the mid-90's and i don't want that for anyone. we have cut the uninsured rate in arkansas in half in one year.

insurance companies have announced they are going to cut rates 2.2%. louisiana refused to do the medicaid expansion and now companies are asking for an 18.5% rate increase. onyou guys have been great time. i appreciate that. >> mr. ross, name one thing you governorn day one as either by executive order or by proclamation. >> i am going to order every agency to review every rule or regulation that is over three years old to determine if it is still needed or if it was ever needed. i want to reduce bureaucracy. toant america and the world know that arkansas is open for business. i won a lower tax plan, a plan to help manufacturers invest

with lower tax cuts, and also, governmentburdensome rules and regulations. that is what i will do on day one. i will begin to that arkansas to work. >> on day one, i am going to call at least a half a dozen businesses across this country and say will you consider relocating to arkansas? i will also instill a hiring groundso that we do not state government without specific approval and so that we have people in place so that we know exactly what our budget needs to be. we're going to have computer science in every high school. make sure you get a math or science credit for it. have a career tech program and make sure the dollars go to the programs who need it, deserve it, and are doing a good job.

>> the supreme court passed on five decisions related to same-sex marriage earlier this week. in fayetteville, there has been some debate about discrimination your administration due to push for civil rights in the state of arkansas? is a difficult issue because the people of arkansas have spoken on it and the courts are reviewing its to whether that is going to be sustainable and whether it is going to be constitutional. the supreme court has said it is left up to the states and they have not given any guidance beyond what the lower courts have said. let me make it clear i have supported the arkansas amendment that defines a marriage as between one man and one woman. [applause] that is my belief, and it is also what the people have spoken through the constitution. the courts are going to have a

ruling on it. we need to wait and see what that is down the road, the arkansas supreme court is looking at it and the federal court. i hope they leave that discretion to the states to determine the proper definition of marriage in society. believe marriage should be between one man and one woman and that is how i have voted as a senator and congressman. be clear, i will not tolerate discrimination of anyone in the state of arkansas. [applause] thank you very much. back to angela. >> attack ads have become shrill. third-party groups can make strong charges. should there be more restrictions or regulations at the state level to make it more transparent and truthful? what would you be willing to do on this front? i'm tired have all of this

out-of-state money. congressman hutchison have spent millions misrepresenting the facts, distorting the truth and lying about me -- if you do not live in the state of arkansas, you should not be able to contribute to a candidate for governor or any other office in the state of arc and. -- of arkansas. such a thing as the constitution and the supreme court has ruled -- [applause] freedom of speech. what is important is candidates take responsibility for their own ads. our ads have been positive through this campaign. haveroud of the ads we offered for my granddaughter and my wife talking about responsible government. we are proud of the message

we've had. yes, there is outside groups. what we have to do is straighten the candidates in what they can raise and the voice they have in the campaign themselves. i'm responsible for our ads just like mr. ross is responsible for his ads. not holding you accountable with your allies and president obama attacking me. time for one more question before we get to closing statements. >> mr. hutcheson, we have seen the debacle with the insurance situation in arkansas. i've got a lot of contact from teachers asking me to ask both of you how would you fix it? >> it needs to be fixed. a teacher the comes up to me that shows the paystub of $3800, regular pay for a month, and $1100 deducted for health insurance, that causes

struggle and his incentive to teach because they provide health insurance for the family. the legislature took action. it is not completely fixed. we've got more work to do. i will work to protect the insurance fund and make sure it is stable and affordable. we have to look at a lot of options, including bringing the school districts back into the equation to make sure they have the flexibility they need. bigger picture. we've got a mess under the affordable care act. and acrosss families arkansas are getting hit with high insurance payments and not just that, it is the high deductibles they are getting hit with as well. we need to change the affordable so we have affordable insurance. i think our teachers need to

be focused on teaching our children. not be worried about whether they're going to be afford health insurance. did a band-aid at best. i'm committed to fix the teacher health insurance problem once and for all. we've got to look at funding. we've got to look at who pays what. about $150 a have month paid toward insurance. most people in the public sector get 450 or more. we also, everybody has to have skin in the game. that is how we reduce over usage of the system. we've got everybody back into the pool. insurance is about spreading the risk. >> we will stop you there. we have one more question. >> we are going to do something lighthearted. what is the funniest thing that has happened to you on the

campaign trail? >> gosh, i was doing a meeting and answering a lot of questions, almost a town hall setting arkansas. in southeast a man was asking me a question. the top part of his false teeth fell out. he caught them with his hand and continued to ask the question. i answered it with a straight face. [laughter] >> can you top that? well, in today's world you have trackers. trackers hired by the other side to follow you. we get used to that. this person was following my dodge ram pickup truck. i took a wrong turn. top of a levy, which was a bicycle path. so if anybody sees a video of me on youtube with a red truck on a bike path, that is what happened. [laughter] you can't get away with anything. going to conclude our

question-and-answer portion. we will move into closing statements. we start with mr. ross and closing. >> thank you. thank you for tuning in tonight. and to my friends and family back home, thank you so much for your love and support. me say this, congressman hutchison and his special-interest friends have spent millions trying to convince you i am something i am not. i'm a conservative, pro-business, god-fearing arkansas democrat. i'm not running to be governor for the democratic or republican party. i'm running to be governor for all of the people in the state. i pledged to work with anyone and everyone who will work with me to make this state and even better place to live, work, and to raise a family. upfamily taught me growing in a little church the values of

family, hard work, personal responsibility. those values have served me well the last 53 years. i want you to know those same values will serve as my moral compass as i do my best to hopefully lead to this state. i love this state. i believe in arkansas, and i believe in you. i know we can do better. i'm proud to have the endorsement of the governor. of as been one heck governor. i want to build on the foundation he has laid in improving education, cutting better payingg jobs. i want to be the biggest ambassador the state has ever had. i want our daughters to be held to her in the same pay as our sons. earned $.77 inas terms of the dollar. there is nothing fair about it. have a plan to address it. and we're going to send the message that domestic violence will not be tolerated in arkansas.

name is mike ross. i humbly ask for your vote and support. as democrats,ther independents, and republicans we can do a lot to move arkansas forward. we can make a difference. [applause] >> thank you. thank you for participating tonight. >> thank you. i want to thank everybody who has watched this debate and participated. mr. ross as well. we have similar backgrounds in some ways but we come from different lives when it comes to the direction of the state. to bebest -- blessed appointed by ronald reagan as united states attorney. i learned about being a consistent conservative. and i also learned about his hope and optimism for our country. and while i have found myself fighting the conservative cause in congress and otherwise, i have seen mr. ross on the other

side. i've seen him on the other side too many times. we need a governor that understands the importance of tax cuts for the middle class, the opportunity for computer science in every high school, the importance of growing the private sector rather than the government sector of the economy. these are things that are differences between us. we have differences and experience. i've served not only in the legislative branch, some of the toughest executive positions of our government. after 9/11 in homeland. as head of the dea and also here in arkansas. i understand in the private sector running a business, tightening the belt. i want to bring those problem-solving skills to our state as governor. my wife and i have been blessed with a family, with a passion for the state. we want to serve the state because we believe in its future. as ronald reagan was optimistic about our country, even though

we struggle and we have challenges, i'm optimistic about thatountry and arkansas, we can be united and grow together and we can solve problems together and we can be one team to make this the best place for our children and our grandchildren. i ask for your vote. thank you. [applause] is going to do it for the debate portion of tonight's events. we thank mr. ross and mr. hutcheson. we've had a lively group in here. we are going to give you one more opportunity to get behind your candidate and say thank you . ladies and gentlemen. [applause] live coverage coming up this afternoon with under secretary of state wendy sherman talking about the negotiation shot a g

in nuclear talks with iran. p.m. eastern.00 >> our campaign debate coverage continues. today on c-span, coverage of the new york 23rd district debate with tom reed and martha robertson and at 8:00, a debate between steve king and jim our -- hjim mowrer. and at 10:00, the utah debate between neil love and doug owens. friday night at 8:00, the senate debate between jeanne shaheen and scott brown. and an :00, the only debate in the oregon senate race and that at 10:00, the louisiana fifth district debate between harris brown,es, and tarpley, ralph abraham, zach dasher, clyde holloway, and

jamie male. c-span campaign to 14. more than 100 debates for the control of congress. one of those 100 debates includes this week's debate with candidates amanda curtis and steve daines. here is a look at a three minute portion of that debate. >> you know, when our founding fathers wrote the founding document, they did not ever intend for corporations to be running the show. they absolutely intended for teachers and electricians and plumbers to be making the decisions that affect us and our legislature. they are afraid of being part of the process. maybe they don't think they are smart enough to do it or don't have the right background. the reason i have stepped up to the plate is to prove you do not have to be a silver spoon fed

politician,a career to represent working families and that the best person to represent workers in the state is one of us. follow up with that, i think we are getting to your experience do you think you have the experience to represent the state with one year in the house of representative and your background as a high school teacher? >> absolutely. read in theire paper about my background growing up in poverty right here in billings. and the adversity i experienced. most people know i have dedicated my life to education because it is the pathway to overcoming the adversity i've experienced. the experiences i've had in a working-class family in the state of montana absolutely makes me the best person to be the voice in the united states senate. i do agree we need to have more of a citizen type

legislature serving us in washington. we need more men and women who the experience, taking skills learned in the private sector, outside of washington, to lead the country. inmom and dad grew up billings. my grandma lives in the same home on avenue c. i can tell you, i grew up watching a mom and dad start up a construction business from nothing. we lived in 10 different houses, once a year. i put myself through college in engineering. we need people who had experience, growing jobs, growing businesses. we talk about jobs. i'm the only candidate who has been creating hundreds of good high-paying jobs right here in montana. >> a quick rebuttal, amanda. all ofve to apologize to the teachers for what you heard.

because we know that teachers are also very important job creators in the state and country. >> monday's debate was the first between amanda curtis and representative steve daines. ms. curtis joined after john walsh quit due to allegations of plagiarism. the race is solid republican. you can see the entire debate at c-span.org. not to the first debate for the seat in new hampshire between jeanne shaheen and scott brown. tossupe is rated as a area this is about an hour and we will begin with some of the campaign ads running in new hampshire. --scott brown says >> i'm pro-choice. >> too often that is not how he votes. womennsored a bill so

would be denied coverage for birth control. >> i can't believe he supports limiting access to birth control. pushed a law forcing women to look at color photographs of fetuses. >> i don't trust scott brown. >> you may have seen senator shaheen is calling into question my support for women's health care. i want you to know the facts. i'm pro-choice. i support funding for planned parenthood. i believe women should have access to contraception. after six years of voting with president obama, senator shaheen has resorted to a smear campaign. shaheen knows better and the people of new hampshire deserve better. i'm scott brown and i approve this message. the big oil companies are the most profitable on the planet. scott brown voted to give them more than 20 billion and taxpayer subsidies. >> this guy is not for us.

>> i don't trust him for a minute. >> scott brown does not care about new hampshire. >> big oil is spending millions to get him back to washington. scott brown is in it for scott brown. nobody else. not new hampshire. no way. >> i know it you're thinking. another ad. senator jeanne shaheen says she lets you first. she votes with obama 99% of the time. is for more spending, more debt. obamacare? come on. we have to put up with obama for two more years but we can fire shaheen now. let's of fire jeanne shaheen now. a decision 2014 debate. live for from the capitol center for the arts in concord, new vying for the u.s.

senate seat, seeking reelection jeanne shaheen and republican candidate scott brown. tonight's panel of journalists, dante from the university of new hampshire and a political reporter. >> and good evening. from concord, new hampshire, we are here on debate night. we have a one-hour debate on domestic and international issues. get 60ndidate will seconds to respond and there will be rebuttals. they will get questions from myself, from the panel, and the candidates at some point will also ask each other a question.

we have a great crowd with us. they have promised not to be an active participant but active listeners. we will give them one chance to noise out of their systems. jeanne shaheen and scott brown. [applause] >> now to debate time. there is not a lot of baseball being followed in new england. that is why this crowd is excited. the department of homeland security will require all travelers from the three west african countries dealing with ebola will have enhanced screening for the disease. senator brown, you called for a travel ban.

senator shaheen, you opposed a ban. yesterday you considered one. is today's announcement by the department of homeland security enough? >> no, it's not. as we see what's happening, we have a couple of weeks ago the president said we are not point -- going to have any issues. we are going to stamp it out. we've had one person die and to others infected. we need to have a travel ban, absolutely. anybody leaving or coming into those countries that needs to stop, they cannot get here. the problem, the president has given an incoherent policy. on the one hand, he said it is not going to come here, and then it has. the direction from the cdc has been confusing. i did call for a travel ban. i'm glad that the president and senator shaheen is coming forward and moving forward in this regard. we need to make sure this does not come here. the time is now.

>> senator shaheen? >> ebola is a serious threat. people are concerned about it. it is a new disease. it is serious. i think we have to look at taking every action necessary to keep people safe. including a travel ban if we can figure out that improves the situation. it reminds me of when i was governor after september 11 and there was the threat of anthrax and other bioterrorism. i brought together officials in the state to come up with protocols with how to respond, and we are seeing actually some of those plans, the early warning system, are still in place today. the fact is we do need protocols. we saw some changes in that today from the cdc. we need to make sure people can get access to equipment and there is training, and resources that local public health officials and state officials need in order to address this threat. >> let me address this. what is a bigger threat to new

hampshire residents, the flu or ebola? >> it depends on who you are speaking with. when i travel around the state, people are concerned about a few things. our border, ebola, travel coming into our countries without proper authority, potentially carrying diseases, being terrorists. there are a lot of concerns. it depends on who you talk with. i want to continue on what senator shaheen said. she did come up with protocol and came with a plan. the problem is the president has not come up with a coherent plan. he appointed a czar with no experience in this area whatsoever. it is a political appointment. quite frankly, i don't think it helps at all. he hasn't even been to the meetings. we are in an emergency situation. i'm thankful senator shaheen broke from president obama in that regard.

>> what is the bigger threat? the flu season or ebola? >> we know that more people have died each year from the flu than we have seen from the threat from ebola to date. the fact is this is a serious disease. people are concerned about it because it is new. we've seen the dallas hospital made mistakes. we need to address this disease. we need to make sure the public has as much information as possible. we need to work together. what we don't need is people who are fear mongering, spreading panic. this is serious. we need to work together. that is what i have tried to do. i have been disappointed my opponent has raised concerns without talking about what we can do to address the issue. >> very quickly, 30 seconds. >> i'm not fear mongering. i am talking about something that is relevant. there has been no coherent

policy from the president. i called for a travel ban immediately, didn't do anything inappropriate. others have actually joined in and i'm thankful the senator has broken with the president to join with me. >> senator shaheen, imagine you're at home wearing your new hampshire citizen hat and you get a question from a pollster. do you approve of the job the president is doing? there will be a challenge to follow up, but this is a yes or no answer. >> in some ways i approve, and some things i don't. [laughter] like most questions that we deal with as policymakers their aren't simple answers. yes or no. well, let me put it this way, you have said you are the candidate for the citizens of new hampshire. scott brown says you vote with the president 99% of the time. because of obama's approval

ratings, how does your voting record jive with serving the citizens of new hampshire? >> i work for new hampshire. scott brown talks a lot about one survey, 99% of the time that i voted with the president. the numbers i'm proudest of are the 359 people who were now working at the prison because i was able to get the prison opened half after it sat empty for two years. and the 1200 people who were being foreclosed on in their homes who our office worked with. that is because of the legislation that we got into the veterans reform bill. what we need is a senator who is going to work for new hampshire. who is going to make sure we address the concerns we hear from our constituents, willing to work with democrats, republicans, independents, anybody in washington who can

help us get the job done. >> senator brown. >> she just described me. i was the most bipartisan senator in the united states senate. every survey has senator shaheen as being one of the most partisan senators. she has, in fact, voted with the president 99% of the time. what does that mean for new hampshire? she was the deciding vote for obamacare. she voted for every opportunity to keep our hospitals. as a result deductibles are , going up dramatically. costs are going up. care coverage is going down. she has voted to put in place a system where we have more and more gridlock by voting with her party over 99% of the time. that is part of the problem. we need to have an and to that gridlock. >> senator brown, you help propel you to the u.s. senate,

and now under obamacare tens of thousands of residents are now eligible for health insurance under the state medicaid expansion plan. you have said you wanted to repeal the law. how do you tell these people they no longer have health insurance. >> you are assuming obamacare is the only answer. we have the ability to develop a plan that addresses those concerns. we can address what you reference, pre-existing care, covering kids to a certain age. dealing with catastrophic care and coverage, all sorts of things. we can develop a plan that works for us. senator shaheen put forth a bill she did not read. she would have understood three quarters of a trillion dollars of cuts come from senior medicare. medical devise companies are being crushed as a result of this. when you're talking that health care, i want everyone to have health care. i supported bill that did just that. it worked for that state.

we can do the same thing here. we have great leaders watching and listening and we can do it in our own way that respects rights and freedoms, addresses competition. when she was in charge as governor she changed the law. we lost our insurance companies. we only have one. after the election, we are getting more. >> the fact is we have 100,000 people now who are getting access to health care because of the affordable care act here. i believe people in new hampshire should have access to affordable, quality health care. if you listen to what scott brown is proposing he would kick tens of thousands of people in new hampshire off of health insurance without any plan to replace it. i don't think people want to go back to a time where if you had a pre-existing condition you lost, you could get health -- you could not get health insurance. if you had a chronic disease, and you've reached your lifetime or annual limit you got kicked off of your health care.

if you are 26 years old you couldn't stay on your parent's plan. we don't want to go back to a time where health insurance the >> senator brown, are you misleading the public by perpetuating this repeal idea? nobody seems to be serious about repeal option. >> i think that is false. plenty of people want to repeal it. if you speak to the people of new hampshire, you can go to north country tractor, one of the reasons they are not hiring is because of obama care and the penalties. you look at a mom like my mom who works one job when she could and 5060 hours. she can't do that anymore. to think i don't want people to have access to health care. what has been references the

businessman coming after the election. the businessman day going to crush businesses now. the cost of ghana. they're getting notices right now. it is real. >> is repeal a priority? >> i voted five times to repeal it. >> senator shaheen? i hear democrats say they want to fix parts of obama care. what is a fixed bill you would like to introduce? >> like any other major issue health care is something we have to continue to address as we implemented. one of the things that i have proposed is an independent ceo that would oversee the health care website. we saw issues with the rollout. if you listen to my opponent and me, this is a fundamental difference. i believe people in new hampshire should be able to get access to health care. if you listen to what he is

proposing he would throw tens of thousands of people off of their health care without any plan to repeal it. he wants to throw people off. i don't think most people want to go back to a time when they didn't have health care. >> is this the crowd a compliment for you? >> absolutely. making sure almost 100,000 people in new hampshire have access to health care is progress for people. >> we will have more health care. dante has the next question. >> do you support new hampshire's new medical marijuana law? the federal government has a role in the nation's drug laws as well. it classifies marijuana as the most dangerous type of drug. should get continued? should the federal government continue to classify marijuana the same way as it does heroin or treat marijuana like alcohol?

>> i do support the medical marijuana law. we're seeing some states who have allowed marijuana for recreational purposes. i'm not ready to go there yet. i think we need more studies on what the impact of marijuana would be. there is a role for the federal government and education, and training, and to provide treatment. we have a real epidemic in new hampshire and new england. addiction to heroin starts with prescription drug addition. we need 20 dress that great i don't need another drug coming in that will take attention off the need to address those treatments for heroine addiction and making sure that law enforcement have the resources that they need, it is one of the things i have worked on after talking to police chiefs. we were to get the resources they need to address the issue.

>> are you for reclassifying it? >> no. >> thank you for your question. i have similar beliefs to senator shaheen on this. medicinal purposes, in the event that somebody has a disease they have tried everything, and it doesn't work, there should be an fda approved to have the ability to get treatment. i'm not in favor of what is happening in colorado. not in favor of changing the classification. i will continue to work to address the other concerns we have had with with heroin and severe drug use we have seen around the country. it is real. >> you have suggested isis could come through the u.s. border. >> with respect, i did not say that. isis is real.

>> with respect, i did not say that. isis is real. we had an opportunity to keep a transition force. a bipartisan letter to the administration said please leave a transition force their great senator shaheen did not sign that letter. she chose to stand with president obama. when your document how people come to the knotted states, we have evidence people have come to the border illegally. is there a possibility it has been raised? there are people coming through the border, what are their intentions? they have made it clear they want to plant the flag in the

white house. our goal is to make sure that does not happen. the clearest way is to make sure we close the border. i voted to secure the border. senator shaheen has stood with president obama and has not done that. >> do we think you should have left it force in iraq? >> i think that is revisionist history grade the threat from isis is real. i don't support sending tens of thousands of troops back into iraq as an occupying force. the fact is the agreement to withdraw troops was negotiated by george w. bush when we couldn't get an agreement in iraq for the protections for our troops.

there was an agreement to withdraw them. i don't think we should send them back as an occupying force. we need to address the threat of isis. this is another issue where we need serious people working together in a way that is going to address this threat. not fear mongering and raising claims that it will bring down the country. >> the issue of combat troops. do you think the president should have taken them off the table? >> to correct the record, i've never suggested we should send combat troops i questioned senator shaheen. what i have suggested is the president and senator shaheen have taken that off the table. immediately. we have the greatest fighting force in the world and we have taken off the table. general dempsey may come back with a recommendation that we may need ground troops. we have advisers on the ground right now. we have choppers in the air right now.

isis is not taking anything off the table. my question to the president and senator seeking has been what happens at airstrikes don't work? then what? what if they get bigger and bigger and exporting terrorism around the world? they are bank robbers. they have robbed banks. they have gained more equipment. we need to make sure we do something about it. >> would you be open to doing it if general dempsey is saying it? >> i'm not going to speculate. >> should it be an option? >> general dempsey has said we are not a to do that now. we need to support the iraqis. they have 200,000 people in the iraqi army. we should support the kurd fighters, they are doing a good job. i don't think we want to do is send back an occupying force of tens of thousands of americans. my opponent has suggested when

he was being interviewed that we should be thinking about that. in terms of the troops that we have had in korea. we've had troops in korea for 60 years. i don't think we want to send troops back in the middle east to do that. we want to continue the airstrikes. that is the way to address isis at this point. >> i'm going to stay on this point. the arab spring, democracy first, now there is revisionist. supporting regimes that are the most democratic. what should be the foreign-policy priority? stability or democracy? democracy led to an ally we didn't like, a group of people getting elected that people of united states in light. >> there are different views by

different people. let's take syria. we knew it was a terrible regime. we actually said we were point to draw a redline if they did something. a mere going to do something. we did nothing. that sent a powerful message to our allies. the president's foreign-policy, when it comes to isis and are issues has been incoherent, it has been confusing. senator shaheen is part of the committee that has endorsed those policies. we need to make a determination based on the facts on the ground. we need to move forward with a clear and coherent policy. that is the policy. are we going to do what we did not rack? we had an opportunity. it was president obama who pulled those troops outcome who did not want to do a status of

forces agreement. as of that void we have isis. >> stability or democracy? >> as part of our american foreign-policy we should be supporting democracy in other countries. obviously in some cases when you support democracy it doesn't always turn out the way you want. my opponent talks about syrians drawing the redline. i'm one of 10 people who voted to take action in searing because i thought when we drew a redline on those chemical weapons we needed to address that. i think as we look at what is happening in syria and iraq, what we need to do is encourage the iraqis to try and form a more inclusive government. the more they do that, the better they are going to take on isis. >> do you think the president blinked? he should have done airstrikes?

>> i think when america draws the line in the sand it's important for us to follow through. as i say, i was one of 10 who voted to do that because i thought it was important. i think now, the result of that action, fortunately isis does not have access to those weapons. >> where are you on this? >> of course he should've backed agreed right now it is something different. we don't know who we are providing support with. that shouldn't happen a long time ago. when you also our top among revisionist history, it was an opportunity to leave that transition forced to advise them of how they should form their government. the senate endorsed that policy. we have to establish trust.

the best way to do that is to change direction. >> immigration. is there any part of the senate bill, and i know it is a compromise, specifically on the idea of visas, do you think it is pro-worker enough when it comes to importing more guestworkers? >> we have a broken immigration system. we need to address that in a comprehensive way. we need to address the visa system. it is not working for our farming industry, for high tech companies here.

the bill that we passed starts with addressing security at the border. it provides additional resources for interdiction and put in place a verify system so people can make sure that employers can make sure the people they are hiring are actually legal here. this is the approach we should be taking. it is comprehensive and has been disappointing to hear my opponent doesn't support this comprehensive immigration reform bill. it passed the senate with a strong bipartisan vote. i think we should urge the house to take up the bill and pass it. >> i have a different approach to immigration. we need to secure the border. it is not being secured. that bill created incentives during that coming out to have them stood out of the shadows. i can't provide benefits for people who have broken our laws. that is where i differ.

you can actually differ with your party, i do it often. i was the most bipartisan senator. i'm not want rubberstamp a policy i don't think works. we look at that bill it immediately gives an opportunity for the president to authorize 11 million people to get jobs. i want to fight for jobs for people in new hampshire. i voted to secure the border. i voted to center to the border. we need to secure the border. the president, to expand the definition of refugee, i can't support that. >> to find a secure border. what is this metric? i hear this a lot. what is the metric. the border is secure. you know it secure when people

don't come across it. [applause] the border is not secure. it is not secure. you can do it through fences, through walls, through surveillance, through troops. there is a host of raise to take care of our border. i have voted to secure the border. we have to make sure that happens first. first. the president and his policy, his effort is to expand and give status for people who were not entitled to it. >> what is the metric? how do you side? >> the senate bill puts in place strong measures to secure the

border. if you want to secure the border my opponent would support that bill. it is going to add fencing, border agents, and the pieces of legislation where he talks about that we differ, one of those is a killer bill on immigration reform. even the republicans who supported it didn't vote for it. we should take up immigration reform. we should fix a broken system. what scott brown is done is to grandstand on this issue. >> it is time for a break. we will take our one break here. coming up next, these to get to question each other. if that's not a reason to stay tuned i don't know what is. we will be right back. [applause] >> welcome back.

senator shaheen gets to ask the question. >> i think one of the problems with our tax code is we encourage companies to outsource our jobs. when you are in the senate you

voted to reward those companies that shift jobs overseas. we have the highest percentage of jobs that have been shipped to china. why would you support outsourcing overseas? >> i have never voted to outsource jobs. when you are talking about outsourcing jobs, the only one that has done outsourcing is senator shaheen. i think outsourcing has a lot of different meanings. when you were elected you said you would be an independent senator. there has been many opportunities for you to fight

for new hampshire. you have also signed our rights to a group that should have no right over our right to bear arms. you have to also look at the challenges facing buildings right now. you have got around the state touting your business record. the national federation of independent business is a group that represents 1500 businesses in our state. they grade people for what they

have done, not only in the legislative session but over the career. what can you say to those where you have voted with this session 100% of the time? >> i am very proud of my small business record. i sit on the small business committee. it is another koch brothers foundation. i have worked hard to support our small businesses as i did when i crafted the small businesses jobs act. i voted for it. my opponent voted against it. i voted for an act that would invest in infrastructure, cut taxes for 30,000 american

businesses. i voted for it. my opponent voted against it. we need someone who is going to support our small businesses here in new hampshire. >> thank you for giving us both a break. >> there are concerns around long-term solvency of the social security program. what is one solution you propose so they can count on social security when they retire? >> social security has not added to our deficit. it has been the most successful at helping seniors prevent poverty. i don't think we should change the way we figure the cost of

living increase for social security. my opponent said he applauded the president when he came forward with a proposal to do that. i don't think we should pay this debt off on the backs of our seniors by reducing social security. >> not only social security is at issue but medicare as well. we have a situation where anybody getting social security or medicare are going to continue to get it. anybody who is about to get it is going to continue to get it, so it is a false ms. we have to be real when we talk about how we are going to make it viable for our kids and grandkids. the key is to make sure we have an effort the president is going

to be involved in and sign. when it comes to medicare senator shaheen and president obama took three quarters of a trillion dollars from medicare to pay for obama care, something i would have never done. if you talk to our seniors, they are having real troubles. >> let me ask you. one of the easy funding gaps is raising the payroll tax. do you think that is step one in creating a lengthier solvency, which is to raise the cap on wealthier americans about how much they contribute? >> there are a number of ways to address the issue with social security. what i suggest is we would do what we did when president reagan was in office to address this. i want to go back to scott brown's suggestion we have taken three quarters of a trillion

dollars out of medicare. that has shown to be false by a number of independent organizations. the fact is our passage of the affordable care act has lengthened the length of medicare by 13 years, and it has stabilized the cost of health care, which is flat for the first time in 50 years. we need to continue to address social security and medicare, make sure it is there for future generations. that's what i want to do. >> i don't disagree. i think we should let everyone have a seat at the table to make proposals. that is not happening. to immediately say we are going to raise taxes, the federal government has enough of our money. he wants to endorse those policies over 99% of the time. let's talk about medicare. the fact checkers i checked with our seniors that are being dramatically affected by moms and dads and grandparents.

they are getting crushed by the cuts. the reimbursements for doctors are being lowered each and every time. medicare advantage, some people are losing it. the rates are going up. this is a result of what senator shaheen did. >> you brought up the commission. what is wrong with the united states senate as a bipartisan commission? why do we have to outsource social security? >> i am not talking about having a committee. >> the reagan era was outside. >> let me stand corrected. i think we should be doing within the cement. the problem within the senate. the problem with the senate is it is gridlocked because you have people like senator shaheen and others who vote with their party 99% of the time. i was the most bipartisan senator there. we did a veterans jobs bill.

you can get things done, but you have to step back from partisanship. >> this idea of an outside commission -- it seems like the hardest decision. >> congress should be able to do this. it should be a bipartisan effort in congress, but one problem is we have gridlocked as the rules of the senate allow people to filibuster. scott brown voted for 44 filibusters during his three years in the senate. that is more than we had in the whole country between 1917 and 1968, over 50 years. we cannot afford that kind of gridlock. that is why it has been difficult to get things done. we need to work together. that is what i support. that is what i tried to do. >> senator brown, you said you are pro-choice, but you cosponsored the blunt amendment

that allows employers to deny contraception to employees, and you oppose the use of funds for abortions. for those motivated to vote on these issues, why should they vote for you and not senator shaheen? >> i have always been pro-choice. i am a pro-choice republican. when it comes to the right to choose, i have supported the right. i do support and have always felt it is important to have an exemption to allow people of faith to practice their faith. with regard to the differences of partial-birth abortions, i am against those. i think parents should play a role in the decision-making process. voters are concerned about these issues but also about jobs.

they are concerned about the ability to bring kids to school. they are concerned about order security. they are not just one issue people. we are taking the message to women voters on a host of different issues. >> i believe and trust women to make their own reproductive health care decisions. not just part of the time but all of the time. the fact is scott brown not only supported that he sponsored the amendment. it said employers could deny access to contraceptive care to their employees for any moral reason. he supported the supreme court decision. he ran in 2010 and 2012, and/or stem. they said they voted with him 80% of the time in 2012. i agree we have a lot of things women and their families are concerned about. one is equal pay for equal work. i think women should be paid equally.

my opponent voted twice against allowing equal pay for equal work. i think there is a fundamental difference between scott brown and me in terms of what we think women should be able to do. i trust women to make their own decisions. >> i am glad the senator brought that up. the senator and i voted against the bill because it was a bad bill. there are already mechanisms to protect women from workplace discrimination. i don't just believe it. i employed it. i pay women one dollar 21 for every dollar a man makes. senator shaheen pays $.95 for every dollar a man makes. i not only believe it. i live it. >> i think the issue is who do