my opponent voted twice against allowing equal pay for equal work. i think there is a fundamental difference between scott brown and me in terms of what we think women should be able to do. i trust women to make their own decisions. >> i am glad the senator brought that up. the senator and i voted against the bill because it was a bad bill. there are already mechanisms to protect women from workplace discrimination. i don't just believe it. i employed it. i pay women one dollar 21 for every dollar a man makes. senator shaheen pays $.95 for every dollar a man makes. i not only believe it. i live it. >> i think the issue is who do

you trust to make these decisions about their own reproductive health. i trust women 100% of the time. i think they should be able to make those decisions with their families come a with their physicians. scott brown voted against that when it came to appointing a new justice to the supreme court who was pro-choice. he was opposed to elena kagan. when it came to supporting the freedom of choice act when he ran in 2010, he opposed that. >> let's move to dante. he has been next question for senator shaheen. >> winter is up. >> that is not a reference to the tv show, is it? [laughter] >> regardless of who is elected, electricity bills are about to skyrocket for many homeowners. what is the best way to ensure affordable rates? >> energy is an important issue

for us here in new england. we lowered rates by about 16%. it is why i have worked with the senate to come up with an energy strategy because i believe we have got to support new energy technologies, alternative sources of energy. i don't think we are going to get off oil in my lifetime, but we have got to start investing in new energy technologies. that is what helps businesses here in new hampshire. businesses like working on new energy storage that would help with wind and solar. my opponent has supported fossil fuel 100% of the time when he was in washington. he voted for subsidies for the oil companies that were $20 billion a year to the oil companies not once but twice. i think that is the wrong direction for us in new hampshire.

we need to provide options for small businesses for families in new hampshire. >> i am glad we are talking about energy. many people have received their electric notices. they are going up 50% to 100%. there are efforts to not only curtail development of oil, natural gas -- she is against nuclear. >> no, i am not. >> where did you get that? >> if i may have a couple. when the power plant was in effect you made an effort to stop it. >> no, i didn't. >> senator, you did. >> i was not in office at the time. >> this is about supply and demand. right now we have a tremendous about of demand and not enough supply. senator shaheen has voted to

increase. at a time when rates are going sky high. the rates have not been lowered. we have a problem with energy. energy rates have skyrocketed. is she supposed to get a fist job? >> independent back checkers have said the charge to raise taxes is false. america is producing more oil today than we have in our history. we need to stop subsidizing oil companies because it is not making a difference in terms of our prices.

we should be taking some money and putting it in alternative sources of energy in ways that are going to help us here in new england. i started retrofitting buildings to make them more energy efficient. taxpayers are saving between $2 million and $4 million a year. >> the notices have gone up. wind, solar, geothermal, coal allowing people to be part of the process. it is false. you inside voted to pave the way for a national energy tax. the amendment set up a fund to spend the money. only in washington does that make sense. of course they are going to spend the money. >> how do you deal with carbon?

climate change -- man-made? >> i think it is a combination. man-made and natural. >> it is man-made from burning fossil fuels. >> the you believe you have to at some point tax carbon? >> i believe we need an energy strategy that focuses on energy efficiency, alternatives, and new energy technologies, and that is what i have supported. i don't think we should continue to subsidize the oil companies, as my opponent would do. >> do you think you would put a tax on? >> she has supported cap and trade which i am not in favor of. i'm not going to talk about the future. we need to deal with these issues now. >> oil companies are budgeting for it. should they be? >> senator shaheen voted for a national energy tax. >> that is just wrong. >> she has supported taxing our energy producers. other democrats voted against the very bills she is

criticizing me for. we cannot continue to pay money to countries that want to hurt and kill us. i have supported production tax credits. i have supported production tax credits. i do support solar, but we have to find a way right now to step back from our dependence on foreign oil and make sure energy, especially electricity, does not continue to go up. >> that is why we need to support other options for small businesses. it is better here in new hampshire where we have a budding energy sector. the fact is what scott brown has is only oil all the time strategy. we need different options. >> moving to lightning round. i promise they are worded in a way that should only take a little while. if you get the first bill, what is it?

>> it is to allow students to refinance student loans. >> mitch mcconnell, whoever the senate republican is, you get to introduce the first bill. what is it? >> it to do a budget. they haven't gotten a budget. any budget they have done is on the backs of veterans. the last one was on the backs of veterans. senator shaheen supported that. i would not support that. >> is mitch mcconnell the best republican leader? >> if i am honored enough to be elected i am going to determine who it is. >> you served under him. >> i thought he did a good job under trying circumstances. but i am not sure who our choice will be. >> you think there will be a choice? you think there should be a choice? >> i do.

>> who is an ideal leader if not harry reid? >> i'm not going to speculate on who. i think it is important to have a contest on these positions because we need to think about how we are doing business in the senate. >> is there another republican you want to see? >> senator mcconnell, we have to make sure we get rid of him. it would be anybody except harry reid. >> let me ask this. you both have lost races in the senate. what was the biggest lesson you took away from it? >> sometimes there are factors beyond your control, and there are things happening in the country that affect the race. i think we are seeing this now. we are seeing a lot of concern about what is happening in the world. my opponent, who has been

grandstanding to make political gain on isis, on the border, on ebola. i think what we need is responsible officials who are going to try to address the problems we face, who are going to be serious about looking for solutions. that is what i want to do. >> the biggest lesson you took away? >> that i love my wife more than ever. and that life does go on and defeat is only temporary. >> let me ask about this. you had two chances to run for the u.s. senate in massachusetts. why not take those? >> i live here. i was born at the portsmouth naval shipyard. my mom was a waitress at hampton beach. >> you never thought about running for senate in either of those? >> because i live here. my family is here. my mom was a waitress. my dad was an air man. i was born in the naval shift.

my first three years of life were in portsmouth. i am running because i care about new hampshire, and because i care about running. >> anything wrong with what senator brown did? >> when he lost his race he didn't move to new hampshire and say, i want to get involved in the state. he thought about running in massachusetts. then he thought about running for governor in massachusetts. that he went to iowa -- and said he wanted to run for president. i don't think it is a consolation prize. we need a senator who is going to put new hampshire first, who is going to be there every day doing what is best for small businesses and middle-class families. >> believe it or not, and our flies by. time for closing statements. you get the first closing statement.

>> thank you for participating. i respect her record. everybody was excited when she got elected and said she was going to be the independent voice for new hampshire. when she went to washington she changed. she is voting with the president 99% of the time, and that is not good for new hampshire. the president said he is not up for reelection, but everyone of his policies is on the ballot. i agree with him. we have a health care system that is broken. we have energy costs skyrocketing. we have so many issues. it is time for a new direction. it is time to send an independent leader in the united states senate. right now we don't have that. i am asking for your vote on november 4. i am asking you to help send us in a different direction. thank you. >> thank you to our sponsors for

tuning in. this election really is about what type of future we have for new hampshire. are we going to support middle-class families and small businesses in a way that allows a fair shot at success? that is what i want to do. helping young people with the cost of college, helping families who are struggling with the cost of childcare, trying to make sure women get equal pay for equal work. what we don't need is someone who is going to go to washington and support corporate special interests, to be a rubber stamp for oil companies and their subsidies. for wall street and banks giveaways, for outsourcing american jobs. this is the real choice we have. i think we need to continue to support people of new hampshire hitting up every day and putting new hampshire first. it is what i have done. it has been a great honor to serve this state. i hope you

will give me the opportunity to do that for another six years. i ask for your vote. thank you all very much. >> i want to thank both of the candidates. i want to thank the crowd. i think being a political candidate in the age of 2014 is among the hardest jobs there is in our government these days, actually running for office, so thank you for running for office and participating in this debate. i want to thank the panel. everyone can cheer for that. we appreciate that. don't forget. participate in this democracy. go vote. don't let cynicism get the best of you. politics is a good thing when practiced well. thank you, and good night. [applause]

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what is at work here is a simple thing. if you remember back to 2008 ended this -- the e-mails that were distributed out the president by some members, not all, of the republican party, they were not exactly flattering. i think you can research and find out what i'm talking about, but it was not right. reaction i had gotten from some in the republican party leadership was not tolerable to me. it was clear to me that it wasn't because i was willing to work across the aisle with democrats to get the recovery funds to come to florida, it was apparent to me because it was the first african-american president. i don't enjoy saying that. it's not what's fun to say, but i'm going to tell the truth and those are the facts. divided.e, you are you are a mudslinger, divider, the entire time you have then in politics --

>> millions and millions -- >> you are a divider. look at what we want to have all stop we live in a wonderful state. we are the best melting pot in the world. we have some any wonderful people who have come from all over the world and you would try to divide them. i want everyone to have the same shot i have to live the american dream. >> nothing could be further from the truth. aisle and iross the was your governor and work with the president to get the recovery funds. this governor, governor rick scott will not work with the president even to get high-speed rail, which is so important to central florida. it would have been $2.4 billion for florida and 60,000 jobs. he will not lift a finger to get medicaid expansion done to stop as a result, a million floridians are not getting health care today as a result of that in action. plus it would bring 120,000 jobs. high-speed -- you

borrowed $9 billion, you borrowed everything you could and then left a project on the table that will cost oems of dollars. you want to talk about medicaid? why didn't you get past right then? i have worked with the federal government as an example, something you would not do. we settled a decades-old lawsuit over the whole of regret -- over the everglades. than 100 debates for the control of congress. join the conversation and engage. follow us on twitter and on facebook. we will be live coming up at 5:00 this afternoon. -- that is live

coverage here on c-span. until then, a portion of today's white house briefing. the parliment shooting in ottawa was discussed and continuing concerns over ebola. >> good afternoon, everybody. nice to see you. i'm joined at the briefing today by david: from the treasury department. we spent a lot of time over the last several weeks and months discussing the strategy the president is putting in place to isil.oy we have spent a lot of time talking about working with our military partners and efforts to train and supply local forces on the ground and take the fight to diplomaticr ongoing efforts to build a broad coalition. a fourth component is our effort to shut down their financing.

this is david's area of responsibility and expertise. he is here to give you some brief remarks and answer your questions. >> good afternoon, everybody. what i thought i would do is re-flee recap a speech i delivered earlier today describing treasury's role in leading the effort to disrupt isil, which isfor part of the effort to disrupt, degrade, and ultimately defeat isil. i began by his catching out their current revenue. i noted they present a different terrorist financing challenge for a couple of reasons. one, it is amassing at a pretty rapid clip.

much of its funding, unlike al qaeda and al qaeda like organizations does not come from external donations but is in thed locally territory in iraq and syria where it currently operates. nonetheless, their foundation can be attacked through the application of tried and true techniques we have developed over the past 10 years at the treasury department and with some modifications on these approaches. isil's sources of revenue, the scale has gotten a lot of attention. sincest understanding is about mid june, they have earned approximately $1 million a day through the scale of smuggled oil.

there has been progress in beating back their ability to earn money from the sale of smuggled oil, in particular due to airstrikes that have been conducted on some of the oil refineries. second, isil has earned about $20 million this year from kidnapping for ransom. from innocent civilians, often journalists that it has taken hostage. earned several million dollars a month through its various extortion networks and criminal activity in a territory where it operates. and finally, as i mentioned, external donations are not a significant source of funding, but it does maintain some significant links to golf-based as a spate of

treasury designations we did last week or last month. we are leading a three-pronged effort to combat their financial foundation, closely linked up with the other members of the government as well as the international council. we are focused on cutting off their funding streams. with respect to oil, we are looking carefully at who the middlemen are who are involved isil isale of oil that smuggling. there is someone in the chain of innsaction who is involved the legitimate or qualifying agenda economy. they have a bank account, their trucks may be insured or they may have licensing on their facilities. that our toolse can influence and we are looking carefully at identifying who the people are that are involved in

the strength transactions that we can apply our tools against. second, we are looking at turning the growing international norms against paying ransom to terrorist organizations into a reality. this year, there were two un security council resolutions that clearly came out that said paying a ransom to terrorist organizations is something no member state should be involved in. has beenomething that a long-standing u.s. policy and long thinning u.k. policy. something we are trying to get from a norm into a reality. we're looking at external funding networks. although is not currently a significant source of revenue, there is a big pool of money out there that has historically funded extremist groups and is very focused on ensuring this does not become a more

significant means by which they are able to fund themselves stop on the crime and extortion networks, the best way to it thes this is through military activity and other activity on the ground to push them out of the territory where they are currently operating. our secondy into line of activity which is to prevent them from gaining access to the international financial system. it disposal but critically important does not get access to the financial system through the bank branches in the territory where it's currently operating. there are dozens of branches where they are currently operating and we are working with iraqis and others around the world in the financial sector and public sector to make is not able to get access to the international financial system. the third is to apply sanctions

isil. key leaders in it has a relatively complex organizational structure and we are going to look to designate the leaders who act in cfo designate those who are providing support. why don't i take a few questions all stop >> do you have a sense l's overall network? could you give us a sense of where they rank in income or overall wealth or other notable extremist groups? >> there is no question that isi l is among the best financed terror organizations leaving terroriste sponsored organizations we have

encountered. i can't give an idea of what its current net worth is that an important point is to not confuse funding with financial strength. isil has amassed millions of dollars in funding, but their financial strength turned on its ability to tap into funding streams, the ability to use the fund that has and its expenses tol stop in their ambition control large swaths of territory, cities, towns and has ans of people significant expense side of its balance sheet. as we work to cut off its access to revenue, their ability to services todicum of the people it is attempting to subjugate will be stressed. it's ability to hold that territory against a population

that in the past has shown a willingness to push back against al qaeda types is going to be stressed. >> external donations are not a significant source of revenue? could you put a dollar amount on what that means? >> it is smaller. in september, we announced designations that included sanctions against a gulf-based facilitator, actually, a syrian-based facilitator that received $2 billion from a gulf-based facilitator. i don't mean to suggest that this is an insignificant source of finances, in comparison to other financial streets, it is

not as significant. >> how you approach this problem? >> we approach this with diplomacy and by working with countries and making a point andh is both logical frankly which has experience -- and frankly, which experience has borne out, we all have an obligation to protect their citizens, and the best way to protect their citizens is to take away the incentive in the first place for terrorist organizations to take hostages. the u.s. policy against paying ransoms has been long-standing, and it applies across the board to any hostage taker. but in the context of a terrorist organization that is taking hostages. , this policy has more force, because we know the funds that

comes from these organizations that funds all of these pilot violenties -- activities. we let people around the world know that the payment of ransoms are at the detriment of all of our citizens. >> is it gulf states or who exactly is it? >> i am not going to identify any particular countries who are involved here, there are, as evidenced by the fact that isil has received $20 million in ransom payment, i think it is incumbent upon everybody and the coalition, to more broadly adhere to the security council resolutions and not pay ransoms. would be the example of the external funding, can you

give us an example or two? >> money is collected and there essentially who collect funds and move the funds out of the gulf into iraq and syria. one of the things that we are concerned about is the use of social media to solicit funds and the ability frankly to move the on person-to-person fundraising and to use social media as a way to raise funds, and all those funds, and move them out of the gulf and into syria and iraq. so that is what we are focused on. >> speaking of going after the middlemen, do you know who is buying that oil, are there are a nations buying it? >> that is what we are looking into.

our intelligence community and focusedners are highly identifying exactly who it is in these networks as to who is involved. upse numbers did not pop overnight, these are historic, long-standing networks that have been the way by which all sorts of commodities, including oil, have been traded over the years. frankly,ifferent now, is that the oil that had previously moved through the these ugly networks, we now know that that oil found its origin sil, and anyone involved in the sale of this oil has been involved with isil. in the past, anyone involved were able networks to turn a blind eye, but now, that is no longer tenable. because now we know that this

oil is coming from isil- controlled territories, and it is funding isil. our counterparts are looking into any funding coming out of the west or out of the united states, but it is something we are looking at. qaeda battle against al in the bushes ministration, there were organizations within the united states that were targeted by law enforcement -- >> i don't have any comment on that. >> what does the majority of this money gets spent on by isil isi? to deliverempt something approximating services, public services. to provideying

electricity, trying to provide water, the recently in mo been seriousas problems in the delivery of electricity and water. one thing that isil has tried to do which is frankly different than terrorist organizations of the prior era has been to -- has been to act as if they were a real state, a real government in the area that they are controlling -- so to not try to govern by authority and buy the gun but by some efforts to deliver services. so that is expensive. the iraqi government who are the sil wases where i operating this year, that was well over $2 billion. i do me to suggest that iso was willing to say just anything -- deliverl was willing to

anything that the government to say that it was pretending to a government would be false. thae donations that you mentioned that come on social media, how larger they? >> large terrorist financiers that we have designated, was that have been designated at the explicity have made directions that these would be .elivered to isil that makes the efforts in the countries in the gulf -- efforts of the countries in the gulf more difficult because these are appeals that are made over social media and made broadly. >> just to go a little bit

particular given what happened yesterday in ottawa, can you give us a sense as to how that funding is being foreign it used for fighters, or is it used for homegrown terror? >> i think that is another element out of the expense out of the balance sheet. something like 15,000 foreign fighters that have come into syria and iraq over the last several years from 80 or so countries, including a dozen or so from the u.s., and -- a costign fighters money to bring in those foreign fighters. that is a serious concern isil can use some of the funds that it has to pay for the fighters to bring them into the

area, which is one of the reasons also why we are focused theeeping isil out of international financial system, because of their ability to fund travel who wants to from wherever to iraq or syria, that would be so much easier if they could send a wire transfer. >> is there any indication that that money has been used? >> i don't have any indication on that. >> we offer condolences to canada, but you also mentioned that we have to remain diligent in the face of terror, and you administration is referring to yesterday's attack as a terrorist attack? >> i would refer to josh on that. extend to efforts private companies and families who might have take -- who might have been taken captive, and is that a tough argument to make?

>> in any situation where someone is taken hostage, first foremost, making efforts to do everything in our power -- militarily, diplomatic way, through our channels, to free that person. i think the rescue attempts that were conducted earlier this summer were an effort to free foley, that was an indication of how seriously this administration takes a responsibility of protecting americans. we are focused on the no ransom policies to ensure that we reduce and hopefully someday eliminate the incentive for these kidnappings to occur in the first place. and we are highly focused on who it is that is receiving ransoms

and who is involved in the solicitation of ransoms, and those are all people who are vulnerable to our actions. >> do they include families and private companies? actors here are the people who are taking hostages, and that is who we are focused on. >> what is the currency of isil? --isil the currency of isil thecurrency of isil is currents of everyone around the world which is the u.s. dollar. >> you said from mid-june to something had been the sources of oil , and theor isil

explain?s, can you >> this would be a pre-airstrike number. >> so you don't have a number? >> right. >> thank you. [laughter] >> that would have made for a good photo op, wouldn't it? >> i actually don't have any announcements at the top, so do you want to get started with questions? washank you, the gunman fighterd as an isil terrorist, and i wonder if this individual had ever and in the u.s. or if the u.s. had ever been monitoring him or watching

him, and is there any reason to believe that we could have some sort of the molar attack planned against the u.s. or in washington? >> let me just say that our hearts go out to the victims and the families who have suffered from the terrible terrorist attacks of gone out in canada this week. we stands shoulder to shoulder with canada. we have made clear that we are grateful to canada for its steadfast effort against terrorism wherever it occurs, and we are going to continue to work closely with our canadian colleagues to combat the serious threat. prentice or harper said it very well yesterday, he said that the canadian people will not he intimidated, and in fact they will strengthen their resolve and not allow a safe haven for terrorists who seek to do harm. yesterdayobama offered canada any assistance

that is necessary in response to these attacks, and our areective a national teams planning accordingly. it is clear that canada and the united states are entirely in sync and we have been in the past and we will continue to be in the future. as it relates to the threat that is here, you have heard the president on a number of occasions talk about the risk that the u.s. faces from lone led lone wolf's -- wolves. these individuals can be radicalized over the internet, you heard david discuss the robust efforts that were underway against isil to recruits and radicalized people i shoulde world, and have preceded this aspect of my answer by saying that there thereues to go -- continues to be an ongoing

investigation in canada, so i cannot give any information about the individual as he is a subject of an ongoing investigation, but there is a continued focus here in the , and we have ongoing efforts to counter violent extremism. it is a critical component of our nation's terrorism strategy, and there was a report that was released a couple of years ago, by the white house, that was powering local partners against extremism against the united states," and that was issued at the federal level to be released at local levels to do everything we could to mobilize against extremism. use of course includes the of law enforcement, and this includes the efforts through schools, through mental health

professionals, to make sure that every instrument of government can be used to work with local communities to combat this threat. the administration at the at a regionaland offices across the country have also socked to engage community leaders in this effort. there are a couple of pilot projects underway right now in minneapolis, and in -- oh, let me find where that is angeles,eve it is los minneapolis, and boston, and they are all engaged in a pilot program to engage in local law enforcement and community leaders to make sure that the vulnerablerecruiting youth to engage in violent counteredare properly by community leaders that have influence over young people in these communities. so this is an effort that has

been ongoing for a number of direction of the president. the president himself has identified the risk of a lone as something that is significant, and this is something the president talked about before this incident in canada and something that he talked about before we saw the as aence as isil significant threat, and prior to the austin bombing that occurred at the finish line of the marathon a couple of years ago, so this is something that has long attracted the attention of the united states and the obama administration. the administration has laid out a very multifaceted strategy for combating it. was this individual known to u.s. authority? >> i am not at the freedom to talk about any details regarding

this individual at this time. any plans tobeen for aning the pain individual climbing the white house fence? has there been any plans to change this? it seems like such a simple solution. fortunately, the deputy secretary of homeland security is working closely with the general counsel at the department of homeland security to conduct a review about the security posture around the white house. they are considering a wide range of things, including the deployment of personnel, that appointment of technology, and the deployment of physical op tions, like a fence, which would

protect the first family who both work and live here. that will be completed in the next couple of weeks, and that review will be considered by an independent panel of experts that will be assembled by the department of homeland security, and it will ultimately make suggestions to the head of homeland security and the secret service as to strike a proper balance between the top priority, which is safeguarding the president and his family and the white house complex, while ,lso preserving the white house and also preserving the white house's's status as the people has, as a tourist destination where thousands of americans a ur theme and to facility a walk out the front door. that is a unique -- that is part of what makes the white house a and it is also, the responsibility of those

protecting it. a hearingin has tomorrow? yes, and obviously yesterday was the first day of his job, and he is focused on the task in front of him and we have heard expressions of concern from democrats and republicans in congress about the need for the federal government and the international community to deal with a very serious threat of ebola, and we would certainly welcome expressions of b i-partisan support in solving this effort. which note of the way in yesterday's incident underscores the menessionalism of and women of the secret service.

these are individuals who literally at a moments notice are prepared to spring in to action to protect the white house and protect the first family and protect those of us who work your every day, and task, therea easy they margin for error, and approach this with professionalism and serious attitude, and we are prayer -- we are very appreciative of their effort. >> the president said there should be renewed vigilance, what was he talking about? and if you could say, what kind of assistance are we providing to the canadians? have we provided anything yet? >> the federal government and the government of canada have been effectively led by the state department, there has been a u.s. diplomatic presence in , which i understand is

not that far from where the violence occurred yesterday. so there is a robust structure the offers make sure of assistance reach their destination. based on the fact that the canadian officials have determined that this is a terrorist incident, you can expect -- you should expect -- that u.s. officials that are responsible for our counter i are lookingfficials into this. he meant a couple of things. first, he mentioned that there continues to be extremely strong counterterrorism ordination between the united states and canada, and we value that strong working relationship. that relationship strengthens the community between the american and the canadian people.

there is a high-priority that is ensuring that that relationship continues to be strong, and we are going to continue to reinforce our efforts to ensure that that is the case. is the ongoing efforts to counter extremism. the risk that is imposed by lone wolf terrorism is something that -- thatficant concern is of significant concern to the president. efforts can be made at the grassroots level and across the nation, and efforts can be made and other organizations to recruit vulnerable youth, and by the mainstream muslim community not only this

country but around the world and they can effectively counter the extremist messages that are being widely distributed in an effort to appeal to the youth in some communities, both in this country but in countries around the world. the obama administration has made it a priority to engage these local leaders and mobilize them in this effort, we are pleased with the kind of strong partnership that has been established across the country, but it is important for us to be ,igilant, both about the threat but about our ongoing efforts to counter it. social media, is there anything more that the administration can do? to respectou want first amendment rights, but is there anything more that we can do to cracked down the social media efforts that isis is using to recruit people in the west? >> you are -- the question that

brings upd -- raised cause it to show questions, and i refer you to the justice department to figure out how best to solve these. that there are a couple of things that i can say about that. it does not have to be solely offt essentially shutting the message that is coming from another country. -- what also is effective is the lifting up of the message of mainstream muslims that have an interpretation of islam which is far more in line with the practices of that religion, and why -- anrt of important part of why -- we have

worked so hard to engage community leaders in cities across the country, particularly in the muslim communities, and there are muslim leaders that share the administration's concern about youth in their mmit being targeted and ,ecruited by violent extremists and there is a natural overlap where we can work closely with them to make sure that they have the resources and the opportunity that their voice is heard in the situation as well, because i think that any of these youths will find the voices in those messages similarly persuasive. members of the muslim community doing enough, does the president want to see them do more to make sure that that message gets across? ani think that there is opportunity for everyone to do more, and that say, we have been very gratified by the response that we have seen by the

mainstream muslim leaders across the country. again, these are leaders of communities who understand that there are youths in their communities who are being targeted i extremists around the world, and they are concerned about the well-being of the people in their community, particularly children and young adults. >> it sells like this gunman in canada try to leave the country or maybe wanted to be the country, but his passport was pulled at one point -- it sounds as if this concern about foreign fighters may not come into play in every case and in every scenario because you don't necessarily have to travel in all of these cases. some of these people can be radicalized in their own communities. details of the individual are still under investigation, and i cannot confirm some of the reports that i have also seen of his attempts to travel or about his passport or whatever. but you are right base of what has been reported that he --

in aindividual -- would be different category than a foreign fighter. the foreign fighters that we have identified are individuals who have already traveled to the region and cannot return home to commit acts of violence, but even before isil emerged on the international scene, there was a concern posed by risks of individuals who live in communities and the west of becoming radicalized or even self radicalized through social media and carry out acts of violence. that ishis is a scourge destructive to this country as well, i believe the boston bombing is a high-profile case of that, and this is a threat that is very difficult to counter because we are talking about individuals who are some ofly cutoff from the other connections to society that the rest of us take for granted. we work closely with

the leaders in these communities to try and spot these individuals on the front end. it is within the interest of the government and the interest within these communities to protect at risk youth. there was talk about having a summit at the white house, has any progress been made as far scheduling that? >> this is a part of an intense discussion here at the white house, and i don't have any announcement as our ongoing planning on that. >> i am sorry about taking too much of your time, but back to the fence jumper. whatu agree though that happened last night was the good work of the men and women, but also the canines? this was an example of lessons that were learned from the previous incident in september and we saw an improvement on the actions of the secret service last night. >> i think what i would say is

>> it is difficult for me to talk about this without talking about the security posture that's in place. there is still an investigation of what exactly transpired last night. i do think it would be fair for anyone to conclude that the effortsof last night's were better than the results that occurred last month. say that when you put an extra perimeter of security? couldll gets over and he have been armed and much more dangerous than he was. so why are we all happy that it's good that they got him, i guess. but is anybody concerned that he got over in the first place?

i share your sentiment that it's good that we got him. [laughter] it's a coldhearted and clear eyed assessment. review ofn ongoing the security posture at the white house. if there are additional steps that can be taken to improve the security posture at the white -- to rappel individuals that might be seeking to jump the fence, it is something that will be considered as part of that review. another row of bicycle racks? congressman, i will leave the security posture to the experts that will make their own determination that will make

-- of what will be an appropriate measure. ofs a place that thousands tourists visit on a daily basis. there is a free-speech zone that can be a pretty colorful place right in front of the white house. place thattill a hundreds of us show up to work at everyday and there are a number of precautions the secret service takes to ensure our safety and ensure we can get in and out of the complex and relatively efficient manner. there are a lot of competing priorities here. the number one priority is to ensure the safety of the first family in the broader complex. that will be the priority moving forward. >> was there any surprise the last night's jumper was able to make it over the fence despite the precautions? >> in terms of the security posture in place in the risk this individual may have post, i

refer you to the secret service. >> there's a lot of debate in about the southern border and rightly so. what is the administration think and are there steps you're taking to make sure the northern border is secure in light of what happened yesterday echo >> -- a very important counterterrorism partnership with canadians. we make sure it is properly monitored. freed 2200nistration people from immigration jail. at the time we were told by other officials the reason was we were going to save a lot of money and that the people who were free did not have major criminal records and usa today has gotten some of those records and said most of the people did

not have criminal records, that's true. but some of them had very serious charges of kidnapping, sexual assault, drug trafficking, homicide. does the administration have any regrets about releasing people with some of them having serious crimes? to then't speak individual cases of those mentioned in that report but what i can tell you is the administration continues to ensuringriority and the american public is protected and safe and that has been the top priority of the immigration reform policy this administration has pursued. >> several months ago, jay carney said don't worry about it. were not releasing anybody who's dangerous. >> we talked about why we believe it's important to increase security at the border. we talked about how we believe the deportation should be focused on those individuals that pose a risk to the

community. thethat will continue to be focal point of our efforts but i'm not in a position to discuss individual cases. >> the president would be talking at head of the midterms and did an interview where he she wins that race, the democrats are going to keep the senate. usually the president doesn't make it that specific. he is pushing for votes and i guess when trying to get at, is a device to turn people out in that particular race or does the president really believe it is a pivotal race? that if the democrats win that seat, they keep control of the senate? >> i am the president here and it is a pleasure to welcome you and an old friend, jim steinberg who heads the maxwell school and you will formally introduce secretary sherman. thanksonal greetings and

for their remarkable service. it is a hard time to be a public servant and you carry it with such dignity and sophistication. we are grateful for that. i apologize that you had to walk through a little bit of a construction site downstairs. we've only been in this building one year and not everything is working and some things have failed. i do apologize for that but i think we won't have any problems in here. let me say how pleased i am to have this opportunity to work with jim steinberg. forlives have intertwined 35 years, 30 years. he's held up a lot better than i mostand i've watched him of my professional career and it's a pleasure that we have a chance to be partners. partnering in washington and its a real privilege.

i look forward to much more to come. it's a real honor to welcome someone as distinguished as secretary sherman. but get this going for real. thank you all for coming. >> thanks to everybody here for this market will partnership. it has been a tremendous opportunity for all of us and it's great to be part of the initial family in this wonderful facility. it has started off so well and we have so much to do in the future. i want to thank all her friends that are here for this very important conference trying to understand the domestic political environment and others involved in the project. i am especially honored and pleased to be here to introduce the under secretary for political affairs, and our speaker this afternoon.

as john said, there are a lot of remarkable public servants. when these career is an extra neri one and it is a great personal privileged to have known her for so long answer so many different terms. promised no stories but it goes back to the days when she was working for a congresswoman and a career and commitment to so many important issues through her life. has been particularly remarkable is her strong commitment to advancing american diplomacy over the last 20 years. i have had the privilege of working with her during the clinton administration with secretary christopher and with secretary albright. and the work we did together during those important times dealing with other challenging regimes. one of the things that has been constant for secretary sherman

is her working on the important issues of the questions of weapons of mass destruction and trying to build a structure and a set of diplomatic approaches to deal with this important challenge. and as a core nader for north korea policy with distinguished secretary of defense bill perry. her work on the grand challenge commission and the weapons of mass destruction proliferation where she helped define a path forward for our policy and in her role for secretary of political affairs. breadth of experience, that deep knowledge of the issues she has with a real diplomat sense of how to advance u.s. interests in dealing with broader challenges which is why we are so fortunate that secretary kerry and others have her in that position.

it is an important objective for the united states and the world as a whole. please welcome wendy sherman. [applause] >> good afternoon, everybody. you can tell how important this is for me to do it because as jim and john know, i just got off of a plane from peru. that's how important you all are that i am here to do this, these remarks. i am delighted to be here and see so many people i know that are working so hard on one of the greatest challenges of our time. -- ian steinberg mentioned like saying that. it's nice. we became acquainted more than a quarter-century ago.

first on a campaign and the michael dukakis for president campaign. some would say that says a lot about our ability to create success, but that said, we got to know each other quite well. for those of you that have not had the pleasure of working with jim, he is incredibly smart, witty, warm. ask his daughters. and despite the fact that his brain has been picked regularly by presidents, national security advisers, it remains chock-full of wise thoughts. maxwell is lucky to have you as dean. sure that the maxwell school is grateful each day to have jim steinberg as its leader. thank our host. i have been following his lights. john henry is one of the wise

men of this town. i had the pleasure when i was in the private sector of sitting on the defense policy board where he ran a meeting of 25 performers and i was the low person on the totem pole, two women out of 25. nonetheless, every former secretary of state or secretary of defense, all of us shallow to john henry's lead. he is just an extraordinary public servant. congratulate you on this spectacular new facility. as is renowned for organizing conferences such as this where men and women who make policy are able to dialogue with people that have time to think about policy. and that is a healthy and necessary mix. friends and

representatives of the norwegian institute of international affairs. decades, norway has played a truly unique part and some of the more uplifting moments in middle east diplomacy. they are hard to find from time to time, so grateful for the role that norway continues. the gazalped organize reconstruction conference in cairo. amerco welcomes norway's continued involvement in an arena where good ideas and common sense are as valuable as they are rare. , the majortand it purpose of this extraordinary symposium is to analyze the nuclear negotiating strategy of the islamic republic of iran. i am strongly tempted to just remain silent and have you spell

out that strategy for me because the more i know about it, the better. and youe i could, probably wish that i would seize the chance to speculate the buckley myself about the motives and decision-making processes of the people who sit across from me and our team during the discussion. but that is probably an opportunity i will pass up. since the nuclear talks have begun i have suffered a twisted ankle, rocha nose and a ruptured pinkie finger made a mess on the front page of the new york times and i don't intend to invite dental surgery by having to eat my words so i will be a little bit careful. ago, honest, several weeks when i first received the invitation, i was not sure whether this would be a good or to speak openly about the negotiating process.

and the timing remains an issue. involving iran and have been extended through november 24. and obviously i don't and won't want to say anything today that would jeopardize our chance to bring those deliberations to a successful close. as madeleine albright once andrved, a dear friend business partner to boot at one point in my life, negotiations are like mushrooms and often they do best in the dark. there are, however, many aspects that can be usefully explored and keeping focus with the gathering which is blessed with an outstanding array of experts on relations between iran and the west. to begin i would like to emphasize how important the p5

plus one negotiations are. a radical twist nuclear arms would add an unacceptable element of instability and danger to a part of the globe that already has a surplus of both. a weapon,had such other countries might well pursue the same goal of generating a potentially catastrophic arms race, intensifying the sectarian divide that is a major source of middle east tension and underlining the global nonproliferation regime that president obama has consistently sought to reinforce. why the president has pledged to ensure a ran will not acquire a nuclear weapon. is to achieve this goal by diplomatic means. but make no mistake. our bottom line is unambiguous,

crystal-clear, and written in stone. iran will not and shall not obtain a nuclear weapon. a major step in the right direction of that pursuit was taken last january when we began implementing a negotiating framework called the joint plan of action. in return for limited sanctions toief, a ran committed freeze and rollback key components of its nuclear activities. specifically, they have halted the expansion of the enrichment capacity, put a cap on stock while, stops the production of uranium enriched to 20%, agreed not to make further advances at the heavywater reactor, and opened the door to unprecedented daily access for international inspectors. at the time the joint plan was

announced, many observers expressed cofounded doubt that iran would abide by its commitments. according to the international atomic energy agency, iran has done what it promised to do. programlt is a nuclear that is more constrained and transparent than it has been in many years. in turn, the p5 plus one has fulfilled its commitment to supply sanctions relief. more will come when we are able to arrive at a comprehensive deal that addresses the concerns of the world community. would give confidence that the nuclear program would be exclusively peaceful and would enable the iranian people to look forward to a much brighter future. we are aware, of course, that this negotiating process is controversial.

some worry that it will fail. seem to fear that it will succeed. doubts.e questions and as discussions have gone forward, the obama administration has consulted regularly with members of congress and overseas partners including israel and the gulf states. we have heard a variety of concerns and done our best to answer hard questions regarding the possible nature and implications of a potential deal while reaffirming our enduring commitment to the security of the region. these conversations have been and continue to be quite valuable. and taken together, reinforced our conviction that although every alternative has risks, the decision to fully explore diplomatic solutions is the right one. there does, however, remain much

hard work to be done. we approach the november 24 deadline, the safeguards included in the plan of action are still in place. develop a durable and comprehensive arrangement that will effectively block all forer rants potential path material for a nuclear weapon. such an arrangement would bar them from producing fuel with either uranium or plutonium. through inspections and monitoring, it would offer the best method to prevent the covert processing of these materials and make any effort to turn away from its obligations so visible and time-consuming that the attempt would not succeed. given the stakes, it should be no surprise our talks have moved forward at a deliberative pace. diplo-speak for "not so

fast." precise, we were confined to a hotel that happens to be located in vienna while subsisting on endless cups of coffee and a hotel buffet that specializes in turkish food. the arabian delegation is headed iranian prime minister and the chief negotiator is the very capable representative of the european union cathy ashton. both sides are assisted by teams of technical experts that help us understand the full range of our options. from the beginning, our talks have been serious and businesslike and have also occurred in a variety of venues and formats. york we met in geneva, new , we have had bilateral, trilateral, hexa lateral, plenary's, we devoted some sessions to brought rentable and others to the very laborious task of dividing specific

technical parameters. have also met the specialists, delegation heads, and sometimes secretary kerry takes the american chair. it is no secret that among the governments, there exist major differences on prominent issues in the world. but with respect to a ran's -- iran's nuclear program, solidarity has been the watch word. we are working towards the same goal. our group has proposed a number of ideas that are equitable, enforceable, and consistent with the expressed desire for a viable civilian nuclear program and take into account scientific know-how and economic needs.

iran's supreme leader said his government has neither the aspiration nor the intention of building a nuclear weapons. he has said such a project would be for bid and under islam. our proposals are consistent with her rants publicly stated -- with iran's publicly stated position. if they want to facilitate the listing of an economic sanction, it will have no better chance than between now and november 24. this is the time to finish the job. will that happen? i don't know. i can tell you that all the components of a plan that should be acceptable to both sides are on the table. we have made impressive progress on issues that initially seemed intractable.

we have cleared up misunderstandings and held exhaustive discussions on every element of a possible text. diplomaticmplicated initiative, this is a puzzle with many interlocking pieces. would be athis, it mistake to focus inordinate attention on any one issue at the expense of all others. every piece is critical whether it involves infrastructure or stockpiles or research or types of equipment or questions of timing or sequencing. drawn muchat has comment in part because of iran's public statement concerns the size and scope of the islamic republic's uranium enrichment capacity. leaders would hope the world would conclude that the status quo on this pivotal subject should be acceptable. but obviously, it is not.

never have we would needed to begin this painstaking and difficult negotiation. the security council imposed sanctions for a reason. that is because the government violated the obligations under the nonproliferation treaty and engaged in secret nuclear weapons related activities and was less than transparent reporting to international agencies. that has created a thick cloud of doubt that cannot be dissipated by tehran's words and promises alone. the world will decide to suspend and then left nuclear related if and when iran takes convincing and verifiable steps to show its nuclear program is and will remain entirely peaceful. that is a reasonable standard that iran can readily meet. it is the standard that iran must meet.

to endingthe key iran's international isolation. the obama administration recognizes that diplomacy, it is sometimes good to widen the agenda so that there can be flexibility on another. even the turbulence in the middle east today, the temptation to lengthen nuclear questions to other topics is understandable. other parties have agreed that this should be a single track of negotiation with its own artistic sense, logic, and a clear bottom line. we are concentrating on one job in one job only. ensuring that iran does not acquire nuclear weapons. that separate and dedicated meetings on the margins of each of our talks, i and members of my team raise our

concerns regarding the status of u.s. citizens missing or detained in iran. thanng matters more to me ensuring the fair treatment of american citizens. they should be allowed to return without delay to their families and we should do all we can to find answers regarding the whereabouts and well-being of robert levinson and bring him home, too. whether or not a deal is reached, the u.s. will continue to undermine regional stability -- to beinconsistent held accountable for all aspects of its human rights record. as is the case with any country, engagement on one issue does not require and will not lead to

silence on others. address moreral than 50 years ago, president kennedy asked in the cold war context whether a beachhead of cooperation might one day push back the jungle of suspicion separating east from west. today, there are those in the veited states that disbelief almost everything iranian leaders say. and there are those in iran that question if america will live up to the commitments we make. not a jungle, at least a forest of distrust on both sides. given what has happened in past decades, how could there not be? to you thisfirm

afternoon that the united states will not accept any arrangement we can't verify. and we won't make any promises we can't keep. just as we will demand good faith, so will we demonstrate good faith. , the president of the united states and the leaders of the decided to test possibilities of direct negotiations on the nuclear issue. faced resistance and criticism for taking this bold step. and yet, they still chose to accept the risk of diplomacy over the even greater uncertainties of other options. do not yet know what the full consequences of this decision will be. but the world is clearly better off now than it would have been if leaders on both sides had

ignored this opening. with all that is going on in the -- instead, rushing full speed ahead towards larger stockpiles. the production of weapons grade plutonium although our negotiation process today has not fulfilled our highest hopes, it has exceeded the expectation of many observers. make no mistake -- developing a consensus on a comprehensive land will require some extraordinarily difficult decisions and we should all appreciate that. this negotiation is the opposite of easy. arethe potential benefits quite extraordinary. it is vital we understand that as well.

the acceptance and implementation of a comprehensive land will improve prospects for people everywhere. anxiety andce enhance security throughout the middle east and will make possible an era of greater austerity without any loss of dignity for the people of iran. it will protect our allies and partners from a new and dangerous threat. it will lessen the incentive for a regional nuclear arms race and strengthen the international proliferation regime. it will make our own citizens safer and it will demonstrate yet again the potential for clear eyed diplomacy to arrive at win-win solutions achievable in no other way. in sum, compared to any alternative, diplomacy can provide a more sustained and durable resolution to the issues generated by iran's nuclear

activities. ago, the0 years advised listeners to "have patience, all things are difficult before they become ." despite the intense efforts from negotiators from seven countries and the european union, we are still in that difficult stage. timest use the remaining wisely and with a sense of urgency and purpose. in closing, let me affirm the united states and its partners are prepared to take advantage of this historic opportunity to resolve our concerns regarding iran's nuclear program. we hope the leaders in tehran will agree to the steps necessary to assure the world this row graham will be

exclusively peaceful and thereby isolationdiplomatic and economic isolation and improve further the lives of their people. happen, the not responsibility will be seen by all to rest with iran. we encourage iran to make the right choice will stop steadfast we remain to protect america's security and improve the prospects for stability and peace across the globe. we hope iran will make the right choice. we are ready to do so. be pleased for a short time to respond to some questions. thank you. [applause] heard, secretary

sherman is just off a plane so she is entitled to a good break but has been gracious enough to agree to take a few questions. i'm going to take the privilege and be sure to ask one myself. the conference focused on the dynamics within tehran, but i continue to be struck in a positive sense by the solidarity among the p5 plus one. you touched on this in your remarks. other than the skill of american diplomats, how do you trust such a group of semi-differences has been able to hang together? ofwith a staggering amount hard work. we have spent a lot of time with each other. and what we all agree on is that iran should

have a nuclear weapon. -- should not have a nuclear weapon. we should have an arrangement that meets the needs we have identified where they are legitimate in a way. but all the pathways to fizzle material for a nuclear weapon are shut down so that in fact being exclusively peaceful israel in a verifiable way. quite frankly, whether it is france, germany or great britain , russia or china, there is no one in that group -- it's why the un security council was wise in its wisdom to look at the p5 plus germany. to deal with this issue because it's not in anyone's issue -- anyone's interest to be in other nuclear weapons states in this world.

>> questions? >> thank you. center.h the wilson i'm very happy to see you. i'm also a graduate, so i am happy to be here. you said --omething one issue will not lead to silence and other. you're talking about all these sanctions imposed on iran, does the sanctions and human rights sanctions will stay on the books if you have an agreement? >> we have been very clear from the beginning that human rights sanctions, terrorism sanctions are a separate matter. the discussions have been about nuclear related sanctions mar quite effective.

-- related sanctions are quite effective. substantial a difference for iran. >> other questions? >> thank you so much. all the focus is on the nuclear issue and obviously perhaps it's not the right time to talk about other dimensions until we are in the confident phase nuclear talks. would you engage a bit in talking about what positive repercussions for regional policy you can see just a nuclear deal? what could be done in syria, in iraq, against isis if there is a deal? i think that's a hypothetical

let's not worthwhile to discuss right now. as the president and as secretary kerry have said quite clearly, iran is not very happy sil, we are not happy with them and we need to degrade and feed them, but we are not coordinating in any fashion at this point. we're all focused on the nuclear negotiation. that is where it should be because as i said in my remarks, if iran were to acquire a nuclear weapon, it would have profound consequences on stability in the middle east. that is the number one priority. >> last question right here. >> thank you so much for being here. everyone anticipates and is following closely what you are doing will stop some people hope success and him -- and others

are more skeptical. what does a perfect agreement look like? i sometimes worry about the perfect being the enemy of the good if we don't arrive at an agreement and the jpl goes away. what does that look like question mark obviously congress would pass sanctions, but what would iran do in the absence of these constraints? >> i think there's no question if everything goes away, escalation will be the name of the game on all sides and none of that is good. is why i say the stakes are high here. debate the elements of the deal, if people debate if it's good enough or at her, we tend to forget what it is all good enoughtop -- or better, we tend to forget what it's all about. thated an arrangement meets our objective that iran will not acquire a nuclear weapon and all the pathways to

fissile materials are shut down, that this is done in a verifiable manner and is very transparent. all the elements you would want must be there. it is about getting an arrangement that works, that is verifiable, and that is good and meet that objective. we are striving toward that objective because the alternatives are quite terrible. , i want to express personal gratitude for your willingness to become here -- to come here. clear and remarkably comprehensive statement and it was clear for everyone who has been watching this carefully to understand as you have laid out how you see it and i want to ask you to join me in thanking secretary sherman for joining us again tonight. [applause]

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c-span.org and let us know about the programs you are watching. you can call us, e-mail us, or send us a tweet. c-span conversation, like us on facebook, follow us on twitter. >> earlier this week in kansas, governor sam brownback debated his democratic challenger, paul davis. -- recent polls show this race as a tossup. this is about 40 minutes. [applause] >> let me give you the debate instructions. each candidate will have two minutes short opening statement and then i will give each

a minute to respond and 30 seconds from the candidate who answered first. we will have someone keeping time for the candidates. all questions have been developed by me. the order of who answers first will change with each question. at the end, the candidates will theirwo minutes in closing statements in the same order as the opening statement we asked the audience to refrain from any applause or reaction during the debate and if you would, at this time, toase check your cell phones make sure those are in some type of position where we won't disturb the candidates. the candidate up, you will be able to clap and the plot for them being here. let me bring up both of the candidates, representative paul davis and governor sam brownback.

[applause] there should be some water under each podium. no fans under the podiums. [laughter] i want to say good afternoon to the gentleman and thank them for participating in the kansas association of broadcasters debate. we earlier flipped a coin and if i'm correct, wasn't that a piece of number of yulia from the kansas city royals? the chiefs. everyone want to thank for being here. wholipped a coin to decide would be the person to give their opening statements. that at this point is governor brownback. he won the coin toss. an openingrt with statement from governor brownback and move accordingly.

>> thank you for posting this. the kansas city association of broadcasters. i have to start by saying go royals. this is exciting what is taking place will start -- taking place. [applause] are america's team for everyone outside of nancy pelosi's district. hopefully they can sweep the series. you have a big choice to make this fall. the direction for the state of kansas in the future. it's an important choice that you have dramatic differences between myself and paul davis. i have put forward a plan that is a conservative model, lower taxes, work requirements for welfare, getting our fiscal house in order, getting gross to take lace, investing in core functions like schools and roads. we have moved that agenda forward and we are seeing things grow in the state of kansas and record employment -- 4.8

unemployment rates and the poverty index is going down according to the u.s. census bureau. we are moving in the right direction and getting things done. that is important for us as a state where we have languished for 35 years. is difficult and this has been difficult and we are moving now in the right direction. davis represents an obama policy to have higher taxes, no work requirements and more government intrusion in your lives. one thing that hasn't been talked about much this race is the selection of judges. the governor selects judges in the state of kansas and that matters and it matters a great deal. we are seeing now a case of the car brothers here in wichita going to the kansas supreme court and was overturned by the kansas supreme work. the kansas supreme court, a very liberal court will stop paul davis wants to continue to appoint liberal judges to that court. i want to appoint judges who will interpret the law, not rewrite it as they choose to see

it to be. this is an important distinction between the two of us on who would appoint and how they would appoint judges. something we can discuss because it's a key issue in key distinction between the two of us. one of the supreme court justices even hosted a fundraiser for paul davis in her home. i find that wrong. it's a big that shouldn't happen will stop >> representative davis. >> thank you and good afternoon. i'm told davis, i'm a lifelong kansas -- canton, a moderate and a 15 year member of my local chamber of commerce. i'm the son of two teachers and the parent of a soon-to-be kindergartner. the topic of public education is personal to me. that's why i have been a steadfast champion for public schools in my years in the legislature and i opposed governor brownback's are just in to public school funding history. i will make restoring those cuts my top priority as governor.

reasons why ihe have the support of over 180 current and former republican elected officials. three speakers of the house, three senate presidents, three the tenet governors, u.s. senator and two kansas republican party chairs. that has never happened in kansas before but it is happening because i have a track record of being able to unite democrats and republicans. it is happening because the governor's economic experiment is not working. not only are we trailing our surrounding states and the rest of the country, it has plunged our stay deep into debt and it is harming thousands of kansans. kansans like mary from winfield who is here with us today. she is a single mom and also happens to be a republican. she provides for her son on a two string budget and is proud she has not had to turn to public assistance. because she falls within the bottom 20% of kansas wage earners, she is paying 50% more

in kansas income taxes solely because of the governor's economic experiment. we have to do better for people like mary. the choice we have in this election is about whether we are going to clean up the mess of the governor has created or we are going to hit the accelerator the governor says on more cuts to schools, more debt and a failed experiment. kansas cannot afford this. we have to go in a different direction, direction that prioritizes our schools and uses proven ways to grow our economy and that is exactly what i would do as governor. >> first question. representative davis, you will have the opportunity to answer first. from the economy to education to ebola, there is an air of uncertainty about the future. what will your administration do to calm the concerns of kansans? >> first of all, we will use the old adage, if you're in a hole, you need to stop digging.

the one-size-fits-all experiment of the governor is not working. you have to look at the data. we are trailing the surrounding states and the rest of the country in economic growth. the governor's own council of economic advisers documented this seven months ago. we are 45th in the country in terms of new business creation. in 2013, there were more businesses and that closed shop that opened shop. we have had three credit down ratings in just over a year. this is not working and it is not going to work. the governor says he wants to hit the accelerator on what we have been doing. we know what that means. it means more cuts to schools, more dollars at taken out of our proven job creating program and transportation plan. i think we need to end the experiment. let's freeze the tax cuts where they are at on january 1, 2015. let's restore the cuts to the public schools because strong

public schools are the very foundation of a stronger economy. business leaders like john moore have told me that the best thing we can do to move our economy forward is to have the very best public schools. that is why i will make restoring cuts my very top priority as governor. >> i wish he had not voted for the cuts in the first place then. the cuts he is talking about are the ones that happened in the parkinson administration. did administration cut support for k-12 administration and put obama stimulus money that went away the next year. those with a cuts he voted for. i've increased state funding for education every year i have been in office. listen to the rest of the plan he is putting forward. the plan is for him to raise income taxes on you, on the person at his table. his first plan is to raise taxes

for people that make $15,000 a year. that is what he is proposing. we cut income taxes on everybody in the state of kansas and his first step is to say if you are making $15,000 a year, your income taxes are going up. that is not any way to grow. he can be critical of my plan all he wants to be. we still have record employment in the state of kansas and his plan is to raise her income taxes. is that the way you grow the economy by raising your income taxes? it is not. we started out with one of the highest income tax rates in this region -- 6.45%. it is at 4.5% now. we created growth and it has. record number of new businesses filing into the state of kansas and small businesses expanding. record employment -- 4.8% unemployment, the lowest in america. that is what is happening in

america and raising taxes not the way to go. >> governor, you are trying desperately to rewrite your record and you are trying to rewrite mine as well. it is not the truth. i have been a champion for our public schools. the republican president of your daughter school board is here supporting me because she and so many other leaders in education know who the real pro education candidate is. it is ironic you talk about raising taxes on the poor. that is exactly what you have done. your first tax plan you introduced would raise taxes by 5000% on people who make $25,000 or less. i think that is morally wrong. >> let's stay on the issue of taxes. this question is for you governor brownback. every taxpayer likes to hear the term reduction in taxes. no taxpayer of ice to live with a reduction in services.

how will your administration resolved this type of dissonance? >> growth. that is what we are doing. look at the data yourself. growth. 4.8%. we are having difficulty in general aviation in wichita at this point no thanks to president obama. paul davis is a two-time delegate. we are having difficulty with the president belittling general aviation and saying those fatcats -- that hurts us. we need to grow. you grow by getting your taxes off of small business in particular which we did. we took taxes off the small business. you are seeing record numbers filing into the state of kansas. you go to people like teddy in topeka who had a temp agency.

i had a lady stop me after church two days ago with that message that she said -- we started a small business and we are working. kansans work for themselves. when you recruit big business into the state, you can get them, but you have to buy them. small business is the right route to go and that is what we are doing. we ended this fiscal year with $434 million cash on hand. we ended with that much money and we are increasing investment in schools of the same time at record levels. >> all you have to do is take a look at the budget picture. $1.3 billion of debt over the next five years. that comes from our nonpartisan legislative research department. you ask the governor what his

plan is -- he does not have a plan. what is going to happen is more cuts to schools and more dollars taken out of our transportation plan. a proven job -- he has taken $1 billion out of the transportation plan so far and all you will do it take more that's all he will do is take more. more businesses closing in 2013 than opening. this year, the rest of the country is double the job growth that we have in kansas. this experiment is not working. it is not going to work. it is time we understand that and move forward. think about how we are going to be able to restore the cuts to public education when we are in $1.3 billion in debt. it will not happen. we have to end of the experiment