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little earlier. that was my mima. ok, i have to go. thank you all so much. i hope you all buy the book today. i will be around. [applause] we need your support. thank you so much. and i am sorry. [applause] >> i knew maggie would be a tremendous it with this audience+. she is amazing, amazing. next, c-span's coverage of campaign 2014 continues with the colorado governor debate. then, a 1991 interview with ann dlee, who- ben bra passed away this week and then we will show you the women of color empowerment conference from lauderdale, florida. >> with the 2014 midterm election just over a week away, c-span's campaign debate coverage continues.

monday, the illinois senate debate with some dirt dick oberweis, jim followed by the coverage of the massachusetts governor debate. then at 9:00, the georgia senate debate between david purdue, michelle nunn, and amanda swafford. at 10:00, the minnesota senate debate, with al franken and mike mcfadden. at 11:00 eastern, the hawaii governor's debate. tuesday evening at 7 p.m. eastern western hockey meets -- coverage ofrn, live the south carolina u.s. senate debate, followed at 8:00 by the new jersey senate debate with cory booker and jeff bell. at 8:00, live coverage of the louisiana senate debate between three candidates. senator mary landrieu, ribs of the bill cassidy, and rob mendes did at 9:00, the main the senate debate. -- maine senate debate.

and then at 10:00, the texas senate debate. c-span 2014, more than 100 debates for the control of congress. >> now, the colorado governors debate between john hickenlooper and republican challenger bob beauprez. this race is listed as a toss-up. the governor was first elected in 2010. from cbs 4 and colorado public television, this is 55 minutes. >> cbs 4 and cpt 12 present the 2014 gubernatorial debate. >> thanks for joining us for this gubernatorial debate. i am little specialist sean boyd. -- political specialist sean boyd. >> i'm a political analyst. gentlemen, thank you both for being here for the final debate of this election season.

>> democratic incumbent john hickenlooper is running for his second term. he ran after serving for two terms. the governor moved to colorado in 1981 as a geologist, but lost his job in the economic downturn. in 1988, he opened his first brew pub. he is 62 years old and has one son. challenger, --n his republican challenger bob , beauprez is a colorado native. he served for two terms before running for governor in 2006. he has managed both a bank and his family's real estate. bob is 66 and has been married to claudia for 44 years. they have four children and four grandchildren. >> we want to begin on public safety. an explosive ad suggested that governor hickenlooper is partly to blame for the murder of a state prison chief. tom clemens. we want to show the entire original ad.

[video clip] >> with john hickenlooper as governor, is your family safe? >> that ad prompted lisa clements to send to bob beauprez a public statement, saying in part "on several occasions this year, you have attempted to use our family's tragic loss for your personal and political gain, and we respectfully ask you to please stop." and congressman, in fact, you did change that my movie at last night. why go there in the first place, and is not over the top to ask, as the ad did, are coloradans

safe with john hickenlooper as governor? >> thank you for providing the forum and the question. yes, i think public safety is a critical issue. and i think public safety ought to be part of any gubernatorial debate. that is exactly the question we were raising. my heart breaks -- as i think every coloradans heart broke, the family of tom clements and his widow. my intention was never to offend her or to politicize the event. my attempt -- my intention still is to raise the serious question of john hickenlooper's failed record of public safety. that was one crystallizing event in a whole series where he showed failure of leadership on his watch on public safety. i think that needs to be his first responsibility, to protect and defend the safety of the citizens.

and on my watch, that will absolutely be a priority. i never intended to offend lisa. and that is why we changed out the traffic on the ad. there are plenty of other subjects to bring up. that is what we have done. >> thank you. governor hickenlooper, your response. --i think that -- you know tom clements was an exemplary public servant and a close friend. and i do think that invoking his death for political purposes is -- i'm still dumbfounded. i know that it was difficult not just for lisa and her two daughters, but for everyone. . am very disappointed we shook hands and we agreed that, within our own ads, we would only do positive ads. i'm not sure how we could see that as a positive ad. -- i lookobviously back at all tom clements did.

he came out here specifically to address the issues around people in solitary confinement and getting released directly to the general population. there were 1500 people in solitary confinement when he first came. he worked relentlessly and cut that number down to a couple people now. -- couple hundred people now. and no one being released rightly to the public. the problem that was being raised has been solved. the whole thing is unfortunate and really dumbfounding. >> governor, let's talk about your record on public safety. i have watched as the democratically controlled legislator have failed to pass bills to increase penalties on dui while allowing more violent criminals to be released from -- to community corrections. here administers implement a policy by which death row inmates get four hours a day of unsupervised leisure time.

your opponent suggests that you have done a good deal to help criminals, but little for victims. how do you respond to that? tot's really work on, and -- ask what we have worked on, and we will continue to work on trying to make the state safer. the issues around sentencing and parole reform, there is a science in terms of how we look at keeping our prison safe and making sure we rehabilitate prisoners so when they are released, the goal is they could have a job, they have some opportunity to create a life. so that they don't get in the revolving door of continuous recidivism for violent criminals, we have made sure at least 85% do their full terms. often times, that four hours after someone on death row where things that seem overly lenient are trying to goad people into better behavior within the prison. and again, we do -- almost all

of those changes through a state commission on punishment and juvenile justice. it goes the strings and besides, this is a good idea or this is a bad idea. we support most of what comes through that commission. >> your response? >> the reality is in colorado we have one of the worst rates of -- recidivism rates -- that means going back to prison -- than any state in the nation. we are in the bottom three. the governor says he has solved the problem of solitary confinement, administrative separation. all he did was return them back. into the general ovulation. guess what? prisoner-on-prisoner violence is up. our streets are not safer. 93% of sex offenders are paroled directly into our neighborhoods without receiving any

therapeutic rehabilitation before they are turned back to our neighborhoods. that is not defending public safety and improving public safety. that is taking your eye off the ball and failing to lead. >> thank you. let's change the subject. governor you appointed a task head off contentious anti-fracking ballot measures. it is a polarizing issue. and the task force is made up of people on the fringes of the issue. people will have to reach a two-thirds majority vote for the legislature. isn't the task force set up to fail? >> i don't think so. if you look at the failure that we were looking at, to have those initiatives on the ballot, we were poised to lose tens of thousands of jobs and billions of dollars in capital investment in the state. we picked 21 people, and some of them come from the oil and gas side and some are very strong advocates for local control. but the goal is to make sure all voices got heard and that they could come together, we could find compromises to find that balance. with horizontal drilling, we now have exploration and

production activities coming closer and closer to people where they live. we want to make sure if there is activity close to where someone lives, that they have -- that we are doing everything we can to mitigate that connection and provide elected officials the opportunity to talk about setbacks, and yet make sure that we respect that private property that someone owns. often times we forget that the person who owns those mineral rights often owned it long before the house was built. and government shouldn't come and take that mineral right. we look at it, and i think they will be able to get to the point where electrical draining could be quiet. it will be shrouded so there is not light. once the well is built, make sure there are gauges so that water and air is clean and we could really guarantee that there are no harmful effects. to that dwelling.

>> thank you. congressman beauprez, you have criticized that collaboration, saying it is a euphemism for kicking the can down the road. are you against working together ? how do we get anything done, like an agreement on oil and gas regulation? >> hardly am i against collaboration, that this wasn't the right solution. -- but this wasn't the right solution. this was the epitome of kicking the can down the road. the reason the governor did this was a political reason. it is a solution in search of a problem. when he wanted to do is get these draconian extreme measures off the ballot so he and others -- he and mark udall didn't have to deal with them in their reelection campaigns. he was caving in and capitulating to special interest group constituencies. that are his favorite constituencies, i guess. i think what should have been done, especially in this 2014

year, was to defeat these measures soundly so we could level the playing field and create some certainty in the marketplace. that is what is driving jobs out of here. jared polis has already said that he will be back. this did not end anything. >> thank you, governor, we will give you some time for rebuttal. >> some of the most -- hank -- if you look at this commission, some of the most respected republicans in the state are on this. hank brown has spoken of in favor of it. i think there's a real chance to find -- even though there is significant disagreement between the local control folks and those who see oil and gas is a -- as aindustry, crucial industry i think they , could find a collaborative place in the middle and mitigate that. it happens. >> notably, he did not pick anybody from an energy producing county.

what he picked was a lady from durango. they want to ban drilling in colorado. we have to celebrate the fact that never in human history have we been able to harvest our natural resources more efficiently and cleaner and we can right now. that is something to celebrate. create jobs in colorado and embrace opportunities and achieve that objective that we have all talked about of energy independence for north america and the united states. >> my turn to get in on the fun, gentlemen. if the governor of another state was contemplating legalizing recreational marijuana and contacted you, what advice would you give? congressman, you go first. >> i would advise them to be cautious. i have been asked that question. i think we are in a learning phase in colorado.

people in colorado supported amendment 64 by a significant majority. when i raised my hand and vowed to support the law of colorado that will be one of them. , i think we need to enforce it as the law was passed. i think we need to be very objective and very honest about what we learn about consequences of this new law relative to our children, young people, and to employees who are seeking jobs around the state of colorado. because the consequences are real. governors around the rest of the country are very much looking at colorado. i think when i'm asked that question, again i will tell them , to be cautious as i think we are being cautious. >> governor, how would you field those phone calls? >> i get a lot of those calls. as you can imagine. i am -- last year i was the chair of the western governors association. this year i am the chair of the national governors association. and that is -- about two thirds

of the sitting governors who are republicans. that is a large vote. they ask again and again -- are the tax revenues significant enough to make worth all of the challenges? and i tell everyone just with the congressman said, we need to wait. i opposed the legislation to begin with, but when it passed, i think we had an obligation to do everything we can to create a regulatory system that could work. we are, i think in one of the , great social experiments of the 21st century. we will do everything we can to find a framework that makes it worth it. but we have to make sure we get it out of the hands of kids. we know the high thc pot has the opportunity to diminish the memory of their brains are still growing. >> . the unemployment rate fell last month, but that does not tell the whole story. the median household income is down about $4000 since the recession started. there are counties when the rate

is as low as 10%. what can you do to help those who have all but lost hope of finding a job? >> i think that now the unemployment and most of those counties has come down significantly. if you go out onto the slopes, it has dropped in the last few months. we have a lot of places where the recovery hasn't been as rapid as it has been. along the front range. if you go to fort collins and denver, everything has been booming. if you go down to el paso county, it is struggling. you have got to find ways to provide incentives and those places still have lagging unemployment. it can be done through entrepreneurs or from was sometimes what we call lone rangers. young millennial's who do not want to work for a company. they want to work project to project. we are trying to find one of the right incentives so that they do

not does come into millennials have been making it their primary destination. we want to make should have -- make sure they have other destinations i give them a little bit of an incentive so they would go to colorado springs or grand junction. >> you are right, the best of -- at best this recovery has been spotty. we have had negative growth. in grand junction. the colorado springs area, negative growth. pueblo barely stays stagnant last year. part of the reason is because there are so many opportunities that would historically come to colorado have gone to states around us. that is wrong. that -- i have nothing against these states, but as a big fan of colorado opportunity. when i ask what is wrong, people say it is government. 80,000 pages of regulation every year. almost 15,000 pages coming out of his administration of regulation every year. 2000 new regulations implemented on his watch. i am going to do just the opposite. on day one, i will suspend new

regulations. if they aren't public safety related, let's stop and on the -- and audit government and invite you to join us in that audit. if it isn't pro-you and your individual liberty and freedom, we will get rid of it. >> candidates seem to promise -- let's talk about bipartisanship. it is something that voters desperately want and candidates seem to promise during the election season. could you tell us one idea from the other party's platform that you support? and one item from your party that you oppose. please be specific. >> i think the democrat party has largely been right talking about education opportunity for children. unfortunately on this governors watch and the democrat party being in charge of the colorado legislature for a good bit of the recent past, it hasn't materialized. berman is a democrat and member of the state board of education. used to be a member of another board.

she said recently, based on the test scores that we got back on governor hickenlooper's watch, that deteriorated, she said, we have got to be honest. we have to be willing to change. the grade reading scores are absolutely shameful. -- third grade reading scores are absolutely shameful. when 30% of our children cannot read at grade level, we have got a problem that we need to address. and i will. you asked about my party's platform. some of my party are struggling with the issue of illegal immigration. i begin this time that we all face facts. we are a better nation than this in a better state than this and we need to find a solution to the long-standing problem. >> give an example of where you agree and disagree with the democratic platform. >> the congressman came and was talking a lot about cutting legislation. we embrace that from the beginning. we have said that the state government had to be

pro-business. the whole state had to be pro-business. we had to find a way to cut it in hundred regulations and modify another 1500. try to take the friction out of business. again, you can be relentlessly pro-business, but at the same time, have high standards. when we support oil and gas -- and that would be an example where many of my party feel the hydraulic fracturing or any kind of extraction is dangerous and should be banned. you know i think it is the , state's obligation to make sure that we get to a place where we can guarantee that the air and water will be clean for -- where people live. but that natural gas is a transition fuel that will get us to a cleaner future. so, i have got against the party there, but at the same time, in terms of the regulation and overall government approach to business, we have tried to stay positive. >> thank you. we've also asked viewers to send in a question they wanted to ask each of you. >> thanks.

we will give each of you 30 seconds to answer these questions. so i will ask you to move it along rid we will start in -- along. we will start in jefferson county. it is a county that has decided statewide races in the past. this fall, we saw a school district in turmoil as students walked out of class and teachers called in sick and were upset about a merit pay proposal as well as a plan to possibly change the college for design curriculum for ap u.s. history. that prompted questions from several viewers. randy arnold asks what is your opinion of the action of the school board endeavor singh, county relative to the teaching of american history? >> if you're talking about ap tests, there will be standard test given the students all over the country are completed. we have make sure we are teaching all of american history

. we are going to talk about one thing, we have to talk about another. i think a small number of people are trying to change the individual parts -- it doesn't make sense. if you are going to change it significantly you are putting toour kids that are trying get a grade on a. test that will qualify for college credit at a tremendous disadvantage. >> it is perfectly appropriate for a school board to debate the issues such as curriculum. i think it needs to be open and transparent. certainly parents and teachers need to be involved. what offended me was that the kids were hurt, the students were hurt. we lost class time and instruction time. they're out to be a way to to resolve these kinds of issues in without -- there should be a way to resolve these kinds of issues and disputes without

digging kids out of classroom. we shouldn't take kids out of classrooms, as well as teachers. this is a labor dispute more than a curriculum dispute. i think the tragedy was unfortunately the children. >> we had another school shooting in america, this time in washington state. the conversation is likely to turn to guns again. scott lee wanted to talk about gun control. talking about the new gun laws. what is your stance on gun control moving forward? >> very good question. an appropriate question given my opponent in this race. our sherrifs tried to tell him that the gun bills you signed in 2013 would neither improve public safety nor be enforced. the governor did not even listen to our sheriffs, the chief law enforcement officers in every county. then he lied to the sheriffs -- that is their word -- lied to the sheriff that he did not even know that they wanted to talk to .hem said that he did not talk to michael bloomberg when is on record said that he did. he told the sheriffs that he didn't do that.

-- his own record said that he did. he told the sheriffs that he didn't do that. i do not think the problem is that we need more laws. i think the problem is we need more mental health intervention. that is an issue that has gone on wanting on his watch. i think we need to be proactive about solving problems before they happen. and oftentimes, it is mental health that is behind it. >> governor hickenlooper? >> congressman, you may have missed it, but we did add $30 million to the mental health budget two years ago. it is the largest increase in the history of the state. it might've missed your attention. i do not see new gun regulations coming down the road, but i think that the universal background checks where we were trying to make sure that guns didn't get into the hands of dangerous people made a lot of sense. we want to get universal -- if you look at gun purchases and the gun safety checks, 38 people who had then guilty of homicide,

tried to buy a gun and we stop them. 420 people who had a judicial restraining order. they tried to buy a gun and we stop them. people have said, crooks aren't stupid, they will not get a background check when buying a gun. just for the record, 236 people, when they came to pick up the gun, we arrested them for an outstanding warrant. and i think that -- again, that legislation was not intended to take guns away from people, just keep them out of the hands of dangerous individuals. >> this is a scene we have seen all too many times. all of us in colorado. i 70 is backed up as people head home and stuck in traffic for hours at a time. coming from the mountains are headed to the mountains. -- or headed to the mountains. what do you feel is the best way to address the i-70 congestion? >> great question. and paul, thank you very much,

because there have been very few questions about transportation in this entire campaign. what i want to do -- and i put this forward weeks ago. let's renew the trans bonds that are about to be paid off. if we did that, i talked to a public finance expert on this. if we do it exactly at the same ratio we have been doing since fix, that would not only i-25, the t-rex project, but many other projects around the state. we could generate at least $3.5 billion. instead of band-aids and patchwork on i 70, let's get serious on improving the opportunities and do some serious public finance. our state doesn't even have a cfo. we have some good budget will. -- good budget people. don't get me wrong. good budget people that can add up the numbers. but we do not have a chief financial officer to tell us how to best utilize the resources we have available. on my watch, we will change the

and address transportation challenges, too. >> governor hickenlooper? >> we do have a cfo. in terms of the treasurer, just as an aside. >> not in your office. >> we have a state, publicly elected treasurer. [talking over each other] >> please let me answer. if you did renew those trans bonds, there is only $135 million left, so there wouldn't be any big projects. we focus on the short-term on making sure that by spanning the -- by expanding the twin tunnels, we could go forward and harden the shoulders and during rush hour, we could let that become a third lane. friday afternoons and saturday mornings going westbound and the cutting back eastbound, there will be that extra lane. that is a short-term resolution. long-term, we would have to look at managing lanes with a new

shoulder of its own that will be used for buses and mass transit people could create a toll. the key to the future though is recognizing that the new vehicles, cars and trucks that are coming are using less fuel. where are the new revenues going to come from? >> i have got to have a rebuttal on that. [laughter] >> all right, we will give you one. >> he doesn't even understand what the trans bonds are about. talking about is using a percentage, 50 in this case, of the federal gas tax that comes to colorado anyway and using that to calculate how much we can finance. that work did marcy will for the last 15 years. let me say again. public finance experts tell us that we could access $3.5 billion with a "b" money. that is not minor money. that is serious money.

>> go ahead. -- $135 is $105 million million left of that and you would need a vote from the people to get it. then you'd be taking a diminishing revenue source because of the less amount of ghastly we would be selling to pay for this new amount of construction. you're going out on a very risky endeavor, which, if you did have a good cfo, i can recommend -- i guarantee that they would not recommend it. >> yes they would. >> gentlemen, we will move on. >> more than $6 million has been spent on advertising in this race, much of it is from the democratic and republican association. i gave several adds a reality check and sound claims that -- found claims that didn't always hold up under screw any. -- scrutiny. the listen to a clip from and at a give each 45 seconds to respond here it we begin with an ad by governor hickenlooper in which you tell your mediator

skills. ♪ [video clip] >> if you want to know what it is like to be in the hot seat with the governor, there's always someone to talk about something. but if you are really listening you can meet in the middle. >> you have taken heat for trying to straddle the middle on several issues, especially the death penalty it is your opponent makes it an issue and you lose, you might give him clemency. your critics say this shows a lack of leadership. how do you respond? >> certainly in terms of the death penalty, i wasn't trying to straddle the middle ear and looked at a situation and have than very consistent. i do not think government should be taking life. we all have our relationship with god. in the end, i recognize that a lot of people disagree with that. i didn't want to pull the rug out from the entire legal system. i wanted to have the conversation. i appreciate you asking the question. it is certainly a difficult one. i look at each one of these situations and in the end, when

you come back to capital punishment, my feeling was that the next -- i don't believe the government should take a life, but the next governor might. governor, you pledged not to run negative ads, but you ran negative ads. let's take a look at one of them. [video clip] >> john hickenlooper says he opposes negative ads, but that is hickenlooper hypocrisy. >> the negative ads he referred to were by the democratic governors association, not the hickenlooper campaign. it is true, he could have denounce them. but the republican governors association is running ads against him and you're not denouncing them. congressman, aren't you being hypocritical? >> i don't think so good as you pointed out in your fact check i think that that is still running. it is false and misleading and untrue.

it was a direct attack ad. and the basis of that question that you put up, that gimmick that he polled in the channel nine debate was a question asking him if he wasn't being a bit hypocritical, thing a member -- being a member of the democratic association of former vice chairman of the democratic governors association and having raised money for the association to not call that was playing blatantly obvious and he knows to be a false attack against me. if it is true and based on a boat that someone has taken a bill that someone signed a statement that they have made, i do not think that is a negative attack at. i think that is a contrast that needs to be drawn out in the course of a political debate. >> although, as i pointed out, also, in the fact check, they could not coordinate -- >> he has not lost his first amendment rights to speak out. that is what is really behind this. at least stand up and say that

is false. throw the flag and called the foul. he could at least do that. but he hasn't. to this day, he hasn't. maybe tonight. >> i would be happy to take all of the negative ads stamp you that is what we agreed to. you said i will only run positive ads. your ads -- >> you broke the promise before. >> the campaign has never -- >> our campaign has never run anything but positive ads. i denounce all the negative ads. i'm happy to do it. >> but you're also happy to let other people do your dirty work for you. >> no i am not heard it take them all down. -- no i am not. oh, please, take them down. >> the silence is deafening. >> they spent millions of dollars attacking me. where was your voice back then? >> they are based on facts that are documented. >> we will move along.

the republican governors association invested heavily in this race. let's take a look at one of the ads. [video clip] >> he is a fun guy to shoot pool with, but when it comes to tough decisions, he won't step up to the table. he dropped the ball on a mass murderer, nathan dunlap, and flip-flopped on gun rights. >> ok, so we addressed the map, dt's take up -- we addressed unlap. let's take up gun control. he told a group of shares you do not have all of facts when you sign the bill appeared should you have signed it then? you said to the sheriffs, "as you point out, how important really was it? how much difference will it make? how is this not a flip flop?" >> when i was pointing out -- first, finishing nathan dunlap, he will die in prison in terms of the controversy. country -- the high high-capacity magazines, there are so many out there that it will take a long time to have an

effect. long-term, you will move toward a safer future. now i certainly said he will not have a positive effect. always -- and you are always trying to measure how to get things to change were rapidly. i still stand behind that law that that is what made sense. we have a great many factors and have got more facts in you'd we will change things. i do think we should've spent more time and have more of an open discussion over the entire gun law issue. >> how important really was it to the sheriff? >> i was trying to recognize the fact that it would take years for that legislation or to have a significant, material affect. but it begins the course. the high-capacity magazines of more than 15 rounds are not necessary to defend your home it in most cases, it is illegal for hunting. passed since the 80's, 31 out of 42 have had magazines more than 15 rounds.

officers to have been killed all used magazines that had more than 15 rounds. >> thank you, governor. congressman, this ad is by a group that gets its funding from the democratic governors association and addresses your position on abortion. [video clip] >> this is the race that matters. the one colorado women cannot afford to lose. we can give bob the power to be governor. beauprez threaten to ban abortion come even in cases of rape and incensed pit if elected governor, he would oppose ending planned parenthood. -- oppose funding planned parenthood. 2006 --, you did say in congressman, you did say in that 2006 you would sign a bill banning abortion except in cases where the mother's life was at risk. you told me it is impossible what you say you would do until you saw the bill. you said you would also oppose tax dollars for planned parenthood, now you say you wouldn't oppose all tax dollars, just those for abortion. you said you wouldn't sign a

bill banning abortion even if it wouldn't strip planned parenthood of funding given the opportunity? >> if i understand the state budget correctly, and i think i do, plant and what isn't getting -- planned parenthood isn't getting funding from the state because they haven't applied for it. that is taking care of already under the governor's watch. i want to be very clear on this. i'm not the candidate to infringe on anyone's rights. i know what the law is. and i'm not going to have the opportunity to change that law. i'm here to bolster that the economy to protect and depend -- defend people's women including women's rights. -- people's freedom including women's rights. i do not think taxpayers ought to be pay for you to that is a big differentiation. i will defend your rights. i happened to have my own principles and my own beliefs, but i will defend your freedom to choose as you see fit.

>> governor, you run a couple of ads touting your expense as a percent owner, the suggestion you are pro-business. -- restaurant owner, the suggestion you are pro-business. >> we got rid of unnecessary regulation focused on job creation. we are first in the nation for economic growth. >> the same website that ranked us first also ranked us -- this day has repealed more than 1200 rules and regulations. it has added more than 2000 rules since you took office. governor, are you cherry picking numbers here? [laughter] >> no, we're not cherry picking numbers here. some of the rules and regulations we added we did in concert with industry. we look at the methane regulations. colorado became the first state to regulate methane. our natural gas producing wells -- an inspector will have to go out with the infrared gun and make sure there are no leaks and every well every month. that regulation was formed by the industry working in

partnership with the environmental community and the government working as a mediator. of course, we created more regulations to make that happen, make sure that everyone played at the same level. but is a mean all regulations are bad. we are at the moment of having the cleanest air in the cleanest water that produces hydrocarbon now that we ever have had. that is true -- because of regulation. the key is to have appropriate regulation. and certainly, some oil and gas has gone up in north dakota. the price of oil is $80 a barrel instead of $100. a lot have jobs that come back. it is more extensive to produce in south dakota then colorado. >> thank you pete we want to give you an opportunity to ask your opponent a question here to you need to have 30 seconds. your opponent has a minute to answer. you each have two questions. congressman, you have the first question. >> governor, on your official website, there's something called the colorado violation decision-making process users

guide. in fact, i downloaded printed one right here. did you even know that according to your own standards that were adopted in march of 2011, a sex offender could volunteer in child related locations? that is directly from the language of the document -- and picking aheir parole revoked?

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truth. i am offended by that. i serve on the veterans committee, in represented colorado veterans and colorado veterans request to get through the process, the approval of that hospital that is now under construction. i made sure that over the next four years colorado cap the place at the table for one of only three hospitals that was to be approved and built, and i made sure, i think it was my very last vote, before i left congress that that language, for the original appropriations -- billn that appropriations

that we got passed to fund what is coming out of the ground to serve our veterans in colorado. i am very proud of having done that and brought transportation dollars back to colorado, frankly something you're benefiting from right now. the continuation on payments on fast trax, was largely responsible for a staffer of mind -- to make sure that those dollars came to colorado. please don't mischaracterize my record. >> joining me is eric finerman. >> we now have a series of speed round questions, let's see how many we can get to you. no rebuttals and this round. let's start with the top story, of ebola. how confident are you if we had an ebola patient and colorado, that the state department to keep the virus from spreading?

congressman, why don't we let you have first crack at this one? >> i have visited with dr. richard zhang, the head of the emergency services at the colorado hospital. i have to commend the state department of health, and the health care professionals, i think they have done a commendable job. early detection and isolation is critically hospital. i have to commend the state department of health, and the health care professionals, i think they have done a commendable job. important, and i commend our health care professionals as much as need be i'll even give a tip of the had to the current administration on that one. >> i certainly important, and i commend our health care professionals as much as need 't a great job of preparing everyone. i think one of the issues is, why it is we are using technology better. in terms of making sure that the people who might have been exposed,

make sure we enforce the support of law enforcement to do just that. promises made a promises that need to be cap. someone's retirement is one of those promises that cannot be violated. >> in terms of state employees, there was a lot of concern.

we can adjust the cost of living. we need to make sure it remains solid. we have a great many other workers and colorado were not part of it. we need to make sure -- do more to make sure we can guarantee they have something to retire on. they're building a large cap is on the south part of town. -- campus on the south part of town. i talked to him a few weeks ago about if he would be willing to come and keynote a conference and look at how we can maintain retirement for everyone? >> if that is projected, the state budget starts running a surplus. should it be returned to taxpayers? or use it to restore services country the recession? >> i think it is amazing to look at the fact that despite many claims that the economy isn't doing as well -- if you told anyone we would be in this

position, they would be incredulous. there are a lot of different ways we could return money to the voters. we will follow the law. we will make sure that money gets back to the voters. >> that is a different answer than he gave in a previous debate. >> no. >> i think the money should be the -- return to the voters. you know better what to do with your money than the governor does. you have waited a long time for this day to get some funds back. during the supposed recovery, the average household income has declined about $4000. it would be nice if government could give you a break instead of the other way around. on my watch, that is exactly what will happen. the money would be returned. >> if you each had a do over, what would it be?

>> the biggest lesson i learned when i was in congress was that you cannot always trust some of the people you are closest to you i trust the leadership. i don't regret giving pharmaceuticals to senior citizens. i learned the lesson of shame me , -- fool me once, shame on me. ool me twice, shame onme. >> we went too rapidly. many people didn't feel that

their voices were being heard. i take more time to listen and hear both sides. it helps keep momentum going when dealing with consequences of missions. >> that concludes our speed round of the debate. >> we are to closing statements. we had a coin toss. governor hickenlooper won. he elected to go last. congressman beauprez, one minute for your closing statement. >> everybody on channel 4 and those with have tuned in tonight, thank you for this opportunity. a good friend of mine told me the other day governorship is a terrible thing to waste. the governor's can make a difference. they can make a difference for the states and their people.

i want to provide an opportunity for this great state. james and never even imagined -- dreams i've even imagined dreaming up came true here in colorado. it saddens me to see that other state seem to be adding the opportunity now instead of colorado. that is simply wrong. the governor's primary job is less to govern the people and much more to govern the government. i do not want to run your life. i want you to have the freedom to run your own life. i don't want to run your family or small business. i want you to have their freedom and liberty to do that for yourself. that is what will guide me every day. >> thank you. governor, you get the final word. >> thank you for having us. colorado's future will be about innovation and collaboration and not about seeking pointless fights. four years ago we had a shortfall in the city budget. four years later, we have come back. we have a rainy day fund and 35 consecutive months of job

growth. we achieve this while dealing with disasters. we did it by working together. my opponent seems to enjoy picking fights, at least with me, but whaling gas versus local control equating abortion -- we have more to do. we could be the healthiest a state in america. the most innovative public education in the country you to be can be the number one stay te for job creation. together is the colorado way. the colorado way is always going to work. i would like to say mercy to all of you and ask for everyone's -- say thank you to all of you and ask for everyone's vote. thank you. >> that is all the time we have. thank you for joining us for this important setting to help

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of campaignurage 2014 continues with a live debate in the georgia governors race between incumbent governor and nathan deal, democrat jason carter, and andrew hot. there's look at some of the -- andrew hunt. as a look at some of the ads pos. [video clip] >> how did he get rich? he sold his company to a company that owes georgia money in back taxes. the company still owes $74 million. the middle class has all in further behind. nathan deal, putting money in his pocket, not ours. [video clip] >> has big promises.

he claims to be for education and middle-class. but it would cap and restrict middle-class access for the hope scholarship. ,nd his plans increase spending requiring higher taxes on small business and the middle class full jason carter, falling short and untrustworthy. [video clip] >> we dated five years before we got married. after five more years, we had our first child. it has been the adventure of our lives. he is the best dad. they love him. takes them to school the morning. he is a parent teacher at preschool on friday. he reads to them. i don't have the stomach for politics. but jason's courageous. he is strong and unafraid. he is never afraid to do what he thinks is right. [video clip] >> how do we get there?

nathan deal brought the appeal to our economy, creating over 294,000 new jobs. now georgia businesses are leading the nation. it is the number one place to do business. [video clip] >> hello, georgia i want to represent you as governor should 80% refused to vote in the primary. why? all you have to do is vote to take government back. we want to move away from being the bottom in education and the top in prison. we want government out of our lives. let's reduce regulation and create jobs and go back to work. vote andrew hunt. >> i'm andrew hunt and approve this message. >> we will have a debate beginning at 6:30 p.m. eastern on c-span.

>> next, c-span's 1991 interview with ben bradlee who passed away this week. after that, a woman empower conference from fort lauderdale, florida. in a georgetown law center forum on immigration policy. >> former washington post executive editor ben bradlee died tuesday at the age of 93. from 1965 to 1991 comes oversaw the papers news operations come including watergate and the publishing of the pentagon papers. in august of 1991 as he was nothing down, he talked about his life and career in a c-span profile interview at the washington post. this is an hour. >> ben bradlee, how do you feel about leaving your post that you have been in for 20 some years?

>> i feel great about it. i feel excited about the new things to do. i feel excited about the quality of the team that is going to take my place. i feel wonderful about the leadership, the owners of this newspaper. they are special people. they have set this newspaper on a path that is the best there is. >> what are you going to do? >> i'm going to do so many different things. when i was contemplating this, i talked to a number of people. i got a lot of jokey suggestions. don't go to the post office and safeway on the same day.

i'm going to be a director of the washington post and the herald tribune. i have a contract to write two books. i'm going to be a vice president of the newspaper. not quite sure what that means. i have just finished a documentary television film that the post has made about how we got into the gulf and the first place. nothing to do about the war but how we got there. i have decided to do -- when you are an editor, you can't do pro bono things.

that shows you are a partisan of something. i have not done any. my wife and i are going to take on the capital funded drive for children's hospital. $40 million, we are going to try to raise in five years. we are indebted to that hospital. our kid was sick. they saved him. i have a couple of other things. some people have asked me to do something that i can't talk about yet, but it is interesting. >> those books, what will they be about? >> i have this theory that the pros and our business bring understanding and skills to reading a newspaper that the average person does not. you can read a story that quotes an anonymous source and you know who it is. the average person does not. there were a lot of things i think i could explain in a

non-stuffy, hopefully well-written way. >> like strunk's elements of style. >> if i could take a reader through a newspaper and say, this is what you ought to look for. >> memoir? >> i have all sorts of material on it. i am having trouble with the first-person singular. newspaper have been told to park that, leave it. i find it hard to say i. >> you read memoirs of others? >> i have always been interested in memoirs. i have been interested in -- i remember kennedy telling me once

that the most interesting part of journalism is describing somebody. what are they like? what is he really like? i find it hard to do, but i am interested in it. >> have you read any memoirs where you said, this is what i want mine to be? or the opposite? >> there are people who talk about themselves in a vain and it seems to me bad way. dean acheson's books were very good. i thought the book was very good. i read elia kazan's book. it seems that he had trouble with the first-person singular.

>> you mentioned your son, who survived -- >> he is nine. he had something called a ventricular defect. it is a hole in his heart. he was born with it. when he was eight pounds, three months, at children's hospital, a doctor went in there and sewed a patch on to the hole. did it blind. can't see it. did it.

he is terrific. he was left with all sorts of other problems, but he has conquered them one by one. >> you mention in your past job, you could not be a member of a pro bono organization to raise money. why not? >> the theory is if you run the united givers fund, how is the newspaper going to cover them without confusing the readers? if we write a story about children's hospital, the reader is liable to saybradlee is on that board. >> we are trying to avoid having demonstrators -- reporters covering a demonstration with a button showing their sympathies. >> you mentioned writing a book

about how to read a newspaper. what do you say to that? >> we don't like it. there are parts of our profession that are lazy about it. there are parts of the political process, people in it who are lazy. i think editors ought to, i think we have done it more than we have to. there is a lot you can do to narrow it down. to help the reader. if you say your source is a male or female, that would help.

pentagon or state department. by shaving it, you get the source down to a segment of society at least. that helps the reader. it takes longer, another four or five phone calls. there is a book about the networks called "three blind mice." i am stunned how much is on the record. he said, you can get it if you have the time. he says, you guys do not have the time. we have the time -- more than people think. sometimes it is 7:30 at night, there's not much you can do about it.

>> how many people in the newsroom right for a living for the paper? -- write for a living for the paper? >> i'm sort embarrassed i don't know the answer. probably about 300. there are 600 -- the table of organization has 625 or 630 names. quite a few of those are vacant. we are trying to cut back. the economy is so lousy. you have a tremendous support force. telephone operators. dictationists. artists who are vital to the paper. editors who are not writers but help people right. -- write.

>> you first came here when? >> i first came here christmas eve, 1948. i have worked at the washington post parts of six decades. it seems unbelievable. it seems unbelievable that i went to work christmas eve. that seems, in retrospect, dumb. showboating. they didn't need me christmas. there is no news. i worked as a reporter for 2.5 years, a low metro reporter. see reporter. covering courts and cops. >> where were you before here? >> i came here from a little paper in new hampshire. that a bunch of us started after the war.

it was a independent sunday paper. i breathe that exists in england -- a breed that existed in england but has to much died out here. there were a couple in new england. we had the biggest circulation in the state. we had a terrific time. >> who was the guy you fought with? he worked for the union leader? do you know who i am talking about? >> there are hundreds of them. i don't remember that from one particular -- >> i tried to think of it before we sat down. before you started that paper, what did you do? >> i fought in the u.s. navy. i was on destroyers the whole time, in the pacific ocean.

i had what was called a good war. i got a lot of action. it was crucially important for my life. i am sometimes embarrassed to admit it. >> why? >> i don't believe disputes between nations should be resolved by war. i was 20 years old and traveling in a destroyer around the pacific ocean. i look at my kids now and wonder how they could possibly get that kind of responsibility that early in their lives.

i was 20 or 21 and a greek major, driving destroyers around. it was a formative thing for me. i loved it. i guess i was pretty good at it. >> you grew up in boston? >> grew up in boston. sort of a bent silver spoon. my mother came from new york but my father was an all-american football player at harvard. he was a vice president of a bank until the depression when he went broke. very typically of him, he thought he wanted to repay the people whose money that had invested. that took about 15 years to do, but he did it. >> why in the world did you study classics?

>> i ran into a greek professor -- i went to a prep school in the middle of massachusetts -- he got me interested. i don't know why. it was funny, it was fun to go around with that skill of classical greek. i also had a girlfriend who was privately tutored and she had been taught classical greek. we could communicate that way. at college, at harvard, there was a professor who was a wonderful teacher. i studied under him, too. it seems so ridiculous now. >> when you read about the change here at the post, everybody loves to talk about the boston brahman versus the ohio milkman.

>> will that make a difference? >> if i were him, i would brain me. i would be so sick of all these eulogies i'm getting. which are really quite -- i'm not false modesty. i know what i have done. i know it is an extraordinary team around here. i know the course was determined, and i got here. lyndon johnson made the editor the ambassador to the united nations just before the end of his term. extraordinary man, still running

a newspaper in maine with all the rigorous and injure -- rigor and energy. he must be reading the stuff and want to brain me, getting tired of too. >> -- brain me, too. >> getting sick of talking about yourself? >> my kid said put a fork in me, he is done. [laughter] normally you have somebody that has five minutes and hasn't done much homework. they want to talk about watergate and the pentagon papers. i don't feel that i have been able to convey much. >> back to the ohio milkman.

does it matter what your background is? would you recommend somebody today going to communication school? >> no, i wouldn't do that either. i think a standard education with a liberal arts education would be the best. you go back to russ wiggins who never went to college. probably the most educated man i ever met. he would give me two or three books a night to read. len downie has been here for 26 years. to say he is a son of an ohio

milkmen is ridiculous. he went to ohio state and i went to harvard. those are accidents that neither one of us had anything to do with. he is going to be different from me. big deal. the paper is not going to be different. >> a constitutional convention on the first amendment were held today, what would happen? >> i don't know. the 10 commandments couldn't pass, either. i suppose the bill of rights would have trouble. that is something that -- i try to worry about things i'm going to face and things i can do

something about. i don't have to get the first amendment or bill of rights passed. it is passed. >> were those men, were they extraordinary or is there something that would lead to the same -- >> they were extraordinary people. you don't see their like now. it is embarrassing to try to compare those people with the people up there now. >> what you think of today's politicians? >> i probably think about them

the way they think about me. the process is drowning in the difference between substance and fact. i don't think that when everything is done in the blinding spotlight, you have people fighting to get in front of a television camera and say something in a louder voice or different way, i don't think that the average politician is a hell of a lot better than the average editor or the average businessman. may be a little better than the average businessman. >> why do people change in front of these things? >> it is the heisenberg principle in physics.

the examination of an object changes the object. if you split a cell, the act of looking at that cell means it is not a cell, it is some thing else. i used to say that politicians they look to be in the paper that is nothing compared to their love of light and lenses. i see people talking in front of a television camera and not saying anything. they are really not. they have a speech. i have been on television because of my retirement, and i am saying the same thing over and over again. i launch into a story and i say, you are going to try that one more time?

i can't believe it. kennedy, who was the first television president, used to tell these stories. he would change the names of people just to keep himself on his toes. he had a story about the lights going out at the connecticut legislature. he would change the name of the speaker of the legislature, just to see if the reporters were on their toes. >> right before this started, i was down the hall in the men's room. one of the top editors said, what are you doing? i said, i'm here to do an interview with ben bradlee. he said, you know he is nothing like his image. he is really a soft guy. he is a sensitive guy. >> i paid them all off. >> he is a warmhearted guy. what is your reaction?

>> you got the right guy. i had him waiting in there for you today. you know what people's image, my image, there is a lot of my image tied up in that movie. "all the president's men." i don't know. any answer is self-serving. i care a lot about people. i think an editor is given a certain amount of brains and energy. he is really a coach. he tries to find the best players and give them the best plays. >> what i was getting at is when you read any article about you, people try to characterize you.

his walk is jaunty. have you ever read a piece where you said, that is hogwash? >> i am always impressed at how people who do try to do stories about you feed off each other. the raspy voice, i have a raspy voice. my father used to say, we have a wart on our larynx. i don't take myself seriously. if that makes you jaunty, that makes you jaunty. with the computer, people can pull up any stories about you so you have the sharks feeding in the same pool. >> you have something about a --

you are referring to -- what is that? >> if someone reads the washington post and their head falls into the bowl of oatmeal, you have done a bad job. you have been known to refer to a story as a four-bowler? >> i don't the guy have. i am not interested in boring people to death. i think a good newspaper ought to be exciting and have good writing. amuse, entertain. as well as inform and be useful. i have a certain irreverence which people talk about. i am not impressed by the office

you hold. i'm impressed by what you are like. i have seen a lot of people in my time here who hold high office. who are treated with a certain attitude because of that office, not because of who they are or what they do. >> who in your years in politics or journalism, or in any field, has impressed you the most with the job they are doing? who are the people you admire? >> i don't know. i look at the people that i think have done a tremendous job under difficult circumstances. dean rusk as secretary of state had one of the most thankless jobs in the world. it seems to me, and what my

greek teacher used to call a sober second thought, did a tremendous job. there are people who ran departments. >> secretary of labor during johnson's administration. >> kennedy and johnson. i am not prepared for that question. without having a long list, i don't think there are a lot of people -- there are some politicians who i think do a good job, who are on the good side. >> you have a favorite president? >> kennedy, he was the president i knew the best and was closest to. i went on a trip that had been arranged by tom lovejoy, an

assistant secretary. a great environmental expert. we went down to the rain forest in brazil with congressman. led by senator tim worth of colorado. al gore. and lots of other people. lying in a hammock in the jungle -- >> can you talk about how presidents have dealt with people? people that have done it the wrong way and the right way?

the fact that george bush has met with the press so often, did that work to his advantage? and wisely presidencies as you saw them from your post -- analyze the presidencies as you saw them from your post? >> i have been interested in which presidents like the press. they are all dependent on the press, including television. my god, they are in office because of the press. because of their abilities with the press. there are not many who understand and like the press. kennedy was successful with the press because he was interested in it.

he knew about it and cared about it. who's going to be on the cover of time. lyndon johnson -- he didn't like the press much. i think he understood the press. understood its position in society. richard nixon was fighting with the press from day one. did not like it. but the press was all best words -- bastards, out to get him. it is hard to build a relationship with people who you

think that about. gerald ford had a good relationship with the press. jimmy carter felt besieged. he felt the press was northern and elite, quite like lyndon johnson. he quickly felt isolated and hostile. reagan, who was the best manipulator of all of them, handling the press was a role to him. he was good at it. he didn't like the press and did not understand the press. he didn't understand their role in society.

that is the problem with these people. they think they and the press have a common job. they do not. the white house press officer, the press system, their job is to tell the truth to the country in the way that makes them look best. our job is to try to find the truth, period. and mind you, they all lie to the press. as soon as those lies start coming in, it is difficult to treat them the same. george bush, who was definitely a friendly and decent person, he looks you in the eye and says clarence thomas is the best person he can find to be on the supreme court. and the appointment had nothing to do with race. that is not true.

so the press recognizes that and treats him in a way -- as a result of that single statement. that is going to make him enemies. >> is that story true about george bush asking you to the white house? >> he asked me to lunch one day. he told me he was not making any progress with mary. i said, i forgot what the hell i said. i said that is a credit to mary. >> this is the way it was written. have a dinner and talk to her, try to talk her out of saying those things to me. >> good luck.

it wouldn't do good. if you try to understand mary. she is a great listener. >> why does he care about a one columnist? >> they want them all. they don't want a handful of columnists. they want them all. that is human nature. kennedy would get sore as hell at a correspondent for 20 minutes. he would get sore as hell at papers. he banned the new york world tribune. it was not a serious ban. he would send somebody to the drugstore so he could read them, even as he had said the paper was banned. >> back to the presidency.

techniques. have all of them called you directly over the years? >> i don't think so. kennedy did. nixon did, funnily enough. for a very brief time, a couple of saturdays. saturday morning was a slow time for editors as well as presidents. he once called. i thought it was somebody imitating him for the first time. we talked a little bit. i have talked to them. >> does it matter when they call?

>> sure it matters. if the operator says, just a minute, the president is calling. if you believe it, sure it matters. you wonder first what they are calling about. and do you know anything about it. >> other than the pentagon papers, what was the toughest assisting you made regarding whether to print something? >> it is hard to tell you about the stories we decided not to print. there is no point in deciding not to print them and then deciding to broadcast them. >> can you tell us the areas? >> national security matters. if you get a story, and somebody tells you it is against the interests of your country to publish that, you have got to listen to that. we got to become trouble making a rule that if anybody who had the credentials said that, we would say, we will not print it tomorrow.

we will convene a group and look into it. maybe print it the next day. i can to you i have almost never heard a claim of national security that ended up as a fact of national security. richard nixon said he could not tell the truth about watergate because it involved national security. that was baloney. sometimes it is a tough decision, a tough call. but i can remember stories we had. one story bob woodward had about the cia giving some money to

king hussein of jordan. just walking around money, not economic or military aid. there was no question it was true. we got a call from, i got a call from jody powell. he had gone to the carter white house to find out if it is true or not. powell said, if you would like to talk to the president, you can. carter was disarming. the first thing he said was, it was true. we knew it was true but we didn't have anybody with the president's title telling it was true.

then he said, he wasn't going to vegas not to print it. i think the secretary of state was in the area at the time, and he said it would be very embarrassing. they were trying to settle the middle east. the existence of the story would make it harder. i've forgotten exactly what we did. we agreed we would wait a day so the secretary of state could at least inform the king hussein the story was coming out. our decision was based on the fact that any piece settlement that took place without that being public knowledge had no chance.

it is vital for the american public to know that they had a king on the payroll. >> i wanted to ask you, what do you think of bob woodward's technique of sourcing a lot of material? >> i am in awe of his technique of reporting. the energy he puts into going back. to talk to people 40 times. no reporter has that kind of patience and energy. he obtained information on the basis that he -- of confidentiality.

felt in his judgment, and i don't quibble, that he would not get it without that promise. it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know who is talking to him. george bush knows. you know. but i thought the way he handled that at the beginning of the book, if you pay attention and read it, you understand what is going on. >> you know him well, you trust him. what do you feel about -- that technique? >> either people would learn to shut up, but i think that is beyond the capacity of most

politicians to learn. or if every reporter was doing it, reporters would quickly start saying who the hell the other reporter's sources were. that is not what is wrong with journalism today, the anonymous source. it gets in the way, casually on smaller stories. it is not the problem with -- is not a flaw with woodward's book. people have focused on it. you know who is talking to woodward. you may have a good, interesting argument about whether it was cheney or powell. >> why did they do it? >> because the truth is interesting. they are interested.

i think they wanted, they believed the public -- if the public really knew how this happened, the world would be in better shape. we would know how we went to war. if we knew how we went to war, we would reduce the chances of going to war. >> what do you think of "usa today?" >> i always get asked because i said, if that is the future of journalism, i am glad i'm getting out. that is still true. as far substance is concerned, it trivializes the news at a time when the news is complicated. they have done some wonderful things as far as design and readability is concerned.

i envy them -- their capacity to print color, even know if we had that capacity, we would not print anything like that. by the time you get through the arrows and flashing lights, it is television. but, i love newspapers. i love all newspapers. good luck to them. they have not made a success out of it. is not a financially viable investment yet. it has been close to 10 years. >> the washington times. >> i don't think much of it. i really don't -- every time i say anything about them, they will haul out a picture of me taken eight years ago with a

bandage on my cheek. when i had a mole removed or something like that. it is extraordinary that the head of a religious organization picks up a deficit of $35 million a year, year after year, and the president of the u.s. says it is a great paper and he reads it. if the jehovah's witnesses backed him to their tomb, you would not even touch it. >> you feel the same way about the christian science monitor? >> i don't read it anymore. i am worried about that. they have had some wonderful journalists over the years. i don't see it anymore. >> reed irvine? >> i put him on the map. i made a statement that he used

to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars. i think what i said about him is true but i do not want to say it again. i do not think he has improved journalism much. >> you listen to him? >> i listen to everybody. i think his criticism, i can spot a story in the paper that will produce a letter from him, he sort of laid off us for a while. he shows up -- he ended couple of others show up at the annual meeting of the stockholders. from which i was banned. they thought i would get in a fight with irvine. some of those other people. >> you have an ombudsman.

why? >> i am proud of that. i think that is a good institution. not terribly popular in this country. i don't know how many there are. of all the daily newspapers, there are only a handful, 30 or 40 that have them. the average daily washington post contains maybe 150,000 words. absolutely impossible for one person to have monitored that carefully for all the things and editor -- an editor should monitor it for. to have an independent person monitoring the newspaper for fairness, accuracy, and relevance is a good idea.

the editor is surrendering some authority. he is the only person on the staff who has a contract. he cannot be fired. he can write what he wants. i can't change his copy. >> can he be fired after his two years are up? >> he is told he is being hired for two years. the theory is, that is about it. you can't go back to the post, can't go back and be an editor or reporter. he truly is independent. i went searching around, when we started this, thanks to our assistant managing editor for

foreign news at that time. we went around looking for money to see if we could get it financed independently from the grants. that is the last tie that would sever any tie at all. i went to mcgeorge bundy and he laughed me out of court. so we pay him. we have had good ombudsman and better ombudsman. we have never had a better one than the current one. he is fabulous. is more insightful about our

business than anybody we know. >> less than 10 minutes in this interview. you made a comment about smoke-filled rooms. >> in a smoke-filled room, nobody is playing to a camera. everybody else -- everywhere else, everything is a photo op. the average, uninterrupted speech by a politician in the campaign was nine seconds on television. >> soundbites. >> i don't know what the best system is, but i know that is not it. >> what do we get because of it? >> you get the person who handles television the best.

the people with -- who employ the people who handle television the best. it gave you kennedy. kennedy was a more attractive television candidate than nixon. >> would he have ever been elected in the back room? >> i don't know. a lot of the back room politicians were catholics. most of the -- they might have produced kennedy. running against kennedy was lyndon johnson, who was not at that stage a great favorite of the bosses. >> what is your perception of television news?

how has it changed the way the washington post comes out every day? >> i think that for years the post has been edited by people who realize an appreciable part of the news in your paper has been available on television and radio before the paper comes out. not the most important part, always. when you get on a roll like watergate, television didn't cover it well. it was not photogenic. you take network news -- i think what cnn is doing and what you guys do has changed, re-dealt

the cards. you take out weather and stocks for the average network news, you probably have 20 items. even with weather and stocks, 22 minutes. if you want to know more, and our theory here is you cannot hold down a job unless you know more, you have to go to a newspaper. >> did you hire tom shales? >> he was kicking around here in a lower capacity.

he started writing television and everybody knew he was terrific. >> you're probably not unaware that people in the television business scream loudly every time he write a piece. what is your thinking? did you know he was going to be that critical? >> i think he is in love with television. he loves television. he brings a critical eye to it. it seems to me his enemies rotate. he has different enemies every year. i consider that a good sign. it is a sign that he is being fair. this is how he feels. he does not have something against one network or one person. >> did you hire him because he writes well or understands television well? >> both. i think he is funny and amusing.

he doesn't worship television or is not in awe of it. just because it is a president of the network, does not make him tremble. he is very hard to corrupt. >> what has he done to you? >> nothing. he has always said nice things. i hear about a lot of different employees. my wife and i play games, going out -- going into a crowded room. who's going to come up first? how long will it be before someone comes up and says, why

did you do that? >> a couple of minutes of what is your favorite legacy? the you are most proud of -- the thing you did hear that you were the most proud of? >> the style section is a legacy i love. the real legacy is the people. surrounding myself with people who are smarter than i am. who are as dedicated to journalism as i am. that is terrific. >> what is your view of the talent? >> terrific. especially the young women. there are people working at lower levels of the washington post who are going to be editor someday, just as sure as god made apples. i don't want to name them all. an extraordinary bunch. a lot overseas right now.

>> what is the first book of yours going to come out? >> when i stop being interviewed and start writing. >> what is your guess? >> i would hope to have a draft in a couple of years. it is going to take some time. i need to become comfortable writing about myself. >> you are done. thank you. >> thank you. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org]

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>> ben bradlee is survived by sally quinn, his wife of 30 years and his four children. his general will be this week. -- his funeral will be this week. next, we will show you some of this year's women of color empowerment conference from fort umuderdale, florida and a for on immigration. and washington journal. >> on newsmakers, u.s. chamber of commerce vice president and political direct their will talk about the role of the u.s. chamber of commerce and campaign 2014. "newsmakers" at 10:00 and the 6:00 on c-span.

>> monday night on the communicators, meredith baker, president and ceo of the wireless. >> if you remember, i was at the commerce department and this repurchasing spectrum. this process, the lessons learned, have been learned and it has been going wonderfully. it is paired and internationally harmonized and 65 megahertz and we are so excited about aw3 and will turn around and how the incentive auction. the agreement report which the fcc put out, those numbers have turned the discussion from policy discussion to a business decision, which is where it needed to turn to. we are excited about those options and our players will toe to them and it is going be a win-win situation for everyone.

>> a monday night on "the communicators" on c-span 2. >> a portion of this year's women of color empowerment conference. you will hear from the national superintendent of the year on immigration and education. discussions on net neutrality and what is ahead for congress after the november election. and remarks by maggie anderson. this is about two hours and 20 minutes. -- and remarks by maggie anderson. our first speaker has worked in the technology industry for more than 25 years. she has spent most for career at leading market research and fulfillment firms serve as a partner and cio with simmons market research for 16 years. sold it she her partner

to experience. she is currently co-leading mobile software development teams in north america, costa rica, australia, and malaysia. please welcome her. thank you. 2 -- [applause] >> good morning. good morning. thank you so much for that introduction. i had to look around to see who she was talking about. the organizers for extending the invitation to me this morning. they queue for this opportunity. i want to say i am empowered already by looking at all of you this morning and you look fabulous and especially such a saturday. fantastic. i do want to say i am a fort

lauderdale native born right here and reared and attended the public schools. in thee any titans house, went to nobles. that was a many, many years ago. ago i wasmany pounds on the drill team. [laughter] i will take you guys off of memory lane and then we would have to sing. for a few minutes this morning what i am going to do is discuss a topic around the internet that has been trolling and getting a lot of attention especially this past week. as you know, the internet has multiple layers of content that we all access every day. media,ss videos, social pdf files. we access all of the information which is a wealth of information

every single day. however, this axis is being threatened by opponents of net neutrality. what is net neutrality? trout he is at its most basic fort gives everyone equal access to the power of the internet. -- next to travel to -- net neutrality at its most basic give everyone equal access to the power of the internet. the phone company told you we you could call or what you could say on the phone? that would not go over too well, would it? what is happening on the internet, there is legislation , it can, if it goes through sensors the content and what you do on the internet. compaq, at&t, big

telecom companies are the companies that want these rules to go through. as they stepl do back, the cable companies what they have been doing isn't that the lobbying the government to destroy net neutrality. underlying printable's that have made the internet so awesome -- principles that make the internet so awesome. one offer on the topic put it very well and said this is a power grab and the corporate behemoth that wants to lock down the internet and turn it much in the way cable tv is run. if you think about cable tv and you think by direct tv and the services, somehow the hallmark channel and some do not. the same can happen with the internet. they would decide which content

you could see him and was content your business could push out and of course, that would be -- or mental. how does this really affected the business? net neutrality for small businesses, startups and entrepreneurs that rely on the internet for businesses, they need the open, free space to create a market, to advertise their product and services and distribute to the customers. we need this open internet across -- to foster job growth, competition, and innovation. net neutrality lowers the barriers of entry for theepreneurs and ensures web is a fair and level playing field. it is because of net neutrality that small business is and entrepreneurs have been able to thrive on the internet.

internet each day to reach out to their new customers and to showcase their goods, their applications, and services. there should be no company that interferes with this open marketplace. by internet service provider definition are the gatekeeper of the internet. as gatekeepers, they want to create profit. neutrality, companies like google and companies that started up in a garage, that would not be possible. those companies especially in the early stages, would not be able to afford the fees that these companies would charge for usage of the internet. so, what is being done about it? i do not know if you know, but on this past wednesday, september 10, several of the more popular websites like

cases, and in some reddit, what they did is they a circle that is similar when you are trying to download the video and it is taking time. what they were trying to do is bring attention to what would happen if the internet word to be in a slow -- would to be in a slow line. lane, you are trying to bring down a video, you could sit there and wait and wait for your content to come down. of course, you would be frustrated and you would want to go to the fast lane will stop can would cost you so you get that content. that is one of the things we have to stay out in front of to ensure we are fighting those folks that want to hide