governor that is now retiring. a judge rejected a lawsuit from one of the candidates being included. the debate is live from massachusetts and comes to us courtesy >> live from hanover theatre for the performing arts in dorchester, massachusetts. the gubernatorial debate brought to you by worcester regional chamber of commerce and the telegram & gazette and hanover theatre for the performing arts. martha coakley and charlie baker, our panelists. king, chris sinacola. --erating the debate is

[applause] >> good evening and welcome. is distinctbate differences between charlie baker and martha coakley. and the differences by the candidates and speaking to each other directly. there is one rule we will follow and that is timekeeping. the candidates will put a peri od at the end of their sentence when they are done. give a huge front of a pause to mark -- martha coakley and charlie baker. applause to martha coakley and charlie baker. [applause]

charlie, you won the coin toss. you said you have done nothing wrong and you said you have done nothing wrong. you made a $10,000 donation to the republican state committee and several months later's, the state of new jersey invested $15 million in a company you were in. how to does not violate new jersey's rules? >> i have been transparent. raised, theue was attorney happened to be the former general counsel and i gave to my employment contract plus every other document asociated as said if there is problem here, please tell me what it is and i will be happy to correct it. he wrote a lengthy report, 15 pages and all, spelling out everything and interpretation of

the lot in new jersey and the documents i gave. after the and, i did not the -- i did notthe end, need to make corrections. it is available for anyone who wants to read it. i submitted all of my texan ax income. i have done everything i could do to make public this issue and at this point in time, i do not believe i have done everything wrong. the lawyer basically agree with me. >> martha, you have a different take. nothe one thing you have done charlie is turn over the copy of your employment contract. do gave it to the lawyer to that. two things remain. you are still under investigation. thewhen you clear up question for voters in massachusetts? and why wouldn't your friends and new jersey, the governor

there, released the results of this report they'll supposed to determine whether or not there was a violation by you? today said it will be a few weeks and we heard it will not be out until november 16. it does not look good. willrst, the investigation be done whenever it is done. i believe the documentation we made available to the public face of the review done by the attorney, he is a former general counsel at the federal election commission. i gave them all of the documentation and he cleared it. whoonly person on this date has been fined for campaign violations is the attorney general who paid a $24,000 fine for violations. >> you are smiling, i think you have an answer. >> if any errors were made known to me, i've moved to make the transparent. those were not fined, they

clearly were not defined. own top of that, why would you not release your employment contract? there was a issue about elizabeth warren's harwich au you called upon her to release -- and you called upon her to release it. you could give up your employment contract and you will not do it. .> i hired an attorney i gave them all of the documentation associated and you wrote up a major review which went into great detail about my employment agreement. the document would tell them a lot about what was in that agreement and how it works. at this point and time, the issue is going to be decided when they issue their final report. i would imagine the attorney general would know investigation is finished when they finish. when it is available, the folks will release it. >> one follow-up. do you regret giving that

donation? >> well, yeah. [laughter] >> you wish you had never done it? wanted totime, i support the governor who has been supportive of me when iran for governor in 2010. i was completely transparent about the fact i made the donation as well. and transparent about the fact i was working with the general counsel. , dohe $50 million invested you think it would've happened if you did not make the donation? >> it would've had nothing to do with it. the state of new jersey made a 50% profit on it in less than two years. it was a good investment for pensioners. the point.not in they just divested that and i am not sure of the reasons. it does not look good. this is about insider

information and that is what the pay to play is about. we have the situation where it appears to be a pay to play in the delay on the report. i would call on you and easy way to release your employment contract. >> one final word, charlie. >> if someone can make a 50% investment -- profit on their investment, is a good deal for pensioners and officers and teachers and firefighters and most pension systems including the one in massachusetts would love to get a 50% return. >> let's move on. martha, some recent polls have been in charlie favor. endorsedon globe" has him. headlines have been chasing you. why aren't you leading? >> thank you for that question. i appreciate that what matters of course is not a newspapers'

endorsement. i believe this race is pretty clear -- close right now. people believe that what i have been focused on since i got into the race a year ago was on traveling around the state and listening to people about what they needed and where we could go as the economy started to turn around. because i believe we have the best ideas about turning the economy around for earned sick time and giving people early education and when they do not have doctors to do it, and making sure we invest in our kids, so that have the jobs in the future. that is what is going to win this race. i am confident we will win on november 4. >> charlie, you get 45 seconds. globe endorsement. republicans have not had it for a long time. is it a close race or not? >> i have been gratified for

what would've gotten from the voters across the commonwealth and received endorsements from "the boston globe" and every massachusetts paper has endorsed our campaign. i believe they believe that the state government is broken and the next governor of massachusetts needed to be a proven leader and manager with tremendous success in the public sector and private sector and served in local government. clearly the voters am a it has gone from 20 points behind to a little -- clearly, the voters have it gone up from 20 points behind to a little ahead. >> we will move on. first, our panelists. >> this is for charlie baker. you do not say much about welfare reform on the campaign trail but your advertisements show you will be aggressive. given the legislature passed a

reform bill, how much further do you want to go with welfare reform and is it one of her top priorities? >> excuse me. a fairw, we have spent amount of time talking about reform of many kinds, including to our welfare system. many of the reforms part of the package we put together last spring became part of the legislative reform package at the end of the session. i would be added to zest of support are and look forward to implementing. i spent time in the city all worcester with the former mayor. they have, with a series of initiatives of how to help people basically find their way out of public housing and into self-sufficiency. on more we can do to build those types of programs, the better off we will be. the vast majority of folks on

public housing would like to find a way off. >> if you could wave a magic wand and do one thing with welfare reform, what would you do? name one thing you would promote. part of thatink as package was coming up with a strategy to help people find their way to work. at the end, everybody wants purpose and want to work and find their way to a job and that should be a fundamental objective. coakley, you do not talk much about welfare reform and is a part of your agenda? wouldrlie proposed what put caps on how long somebody would stay on housing. people who can get out sooner will and i believe there are ways to do it by giving people the work skills they need, that help and investing in them and not looking at cap. beeno believe -- i have

prosecuted and going after convenience stores who have been ebtlved in wbt fraud -- fraud and any company that has been found guilty should not sell lottery or alcohol. i do not want any kids to go hungry and i want the tech stock -- tax dollars for assistance. >> will will will bond to a question for martha coakley. called casey you into your office where you told him to stop his investigation and to the speaker of the house and others involved in the software controversy. saying according to sullivan there was no evidence anyone had crossed "a bright line into criminality." one person is serving an eight-year sentence and there

were also others convicted. were you trying to give him a pass? >> i am glad you asked that question. i am glad you asked. that report occurred i have said and i will say tonight, absolutely untrue what greg sullivan has said. that never happened and i never said that. what the voters should know is that we brought state cases against richard vitali that was applicable to something involved of something that was against lobbying laws. i brought the charges with the resources they have to get that conviction. the statement is untrue in the globe and all of our documents support it. we did the investigation. and we got convictions of three people involved in tickets kindle and -- ticket scandals.

>> and greg sullivan was flat out lying. or flatr flat out lying out wrong. i have documentation. >> greg sullivan has a distinguished career as a leading democrat on beacon hill, first in the legislature and then an investigator or before the attorney general's office and serving several terms as the inspector general before he retired. he has a number of major convictions that were part of investigations that he led during his time as both an investigator and inspector general. he served his last term by the attorney general and the auditor and the governor. he is a person of extraordinary high integrity and his response to the character assassination issued by your campaign yesterday and compelling reading specific dates, times. the attorney general old the public an explanation for that.

>> the inspector general does not bring charges, he does investigations. secondly, i am the one who brought the charges and got convictions against richard and dickey. i would ask you why you took money in this campaign from richard? i prosecuted convicted felons and you are taking money from them. >> you are going to change the subject and you still are not going to respond. i would be happy to send it back to richard's check. if you really want to clear the air on this one all you need to respond to the allegations that were raised by greg sullivan. and we will. >> this is not a two bit guy a but a reputation for forthrightness and honesty and commitment. wayhim to be attacked the

you folks attacking yesterday is beyond the pale. you owe him an explanation of the board for the issues he raised. he wasissue is whether correct or not. let's stick with the merits. he was wrong about that and with the document he was wrong. why he said it to "the globe," i do not know. know, ithat, i cooperate of with the u.s. attorney in the investigation. the record demonstrates that. we have three people in jail and you got a check for one. >> we will leave it there. chris, give us some questions. we will movebut onto everybody's favorite topic. taxes. had an idearecently of the graduate income tax. something voters have in the past rejected.

do you think it is a better and fairer means of raising revenue than a flat income tax? >> no, that was a discussion we had on what i said and asked about, what would you do if you income?ook at the primary response is we look at moving forward with the income taxes coming down to 5.2%. i believe as the economy turns around and our economy is moving as twice the pace of any state in the country. around, themy turns income tax goes down to 5%. we talked about something the legislature was working at. i know it takes a constitutional convention to change it. i hope we do not raise them. >> chris, you want to follow-up with charlie?

>> i guess the first thing i ourd say, if you think economy isn't growing, you would need to get out of the office more. the people i talk to is anxious. if they have a job, they are worried about keeping it. across thisned state, the working people of massachusetts have been on the receiving end of dozen of tax seven or over the past eight years. the first thing they say to me is i feel like i've been new one and diamond to death. difference, i big say this to the voters, i am not going to raise your taxes. the attorney general has made it clear that she will. >> can i respond? he was happy to take a no new taxes, but you have not done it and you have not signed it. you talk about a lot of things

you want to do but you will not talk about where the money will come from. the difference between charlie and me as the economy turns around, i will roll out a red carpet for business. we need to make sure our people are prepared for the jobs and our kids get early education and stem education with art and music. make colleges is affordable and available to people. that is where he differs. he has a republican playbook. >> let's hold it right there. >> i hear this a lot. generalhe attorney would read my economic development plan. tax incentives for business to higher people coming off public assistance. tax incentives for business to higher veterans and income tax credit that will go primarily to low income, single moms with makeren that would help work pay.

a series of initiatives to build main street and gateway cities and support small businesses as they go through the process of licensing and rulemaking. our proposals, virtually most of our proposals are all about helping small businesses in massachusetts and people who deserve a chance to work and build themselves into self-sufficiency and that is the primary focus. >> let me stop. chris, you have another tax question. of getting taxes lower. back in 1989, the legislature put in a temporary tax increase for income tax. that was supposed to last for a year and a half. it is still with us in some form and has come down. the series of triggers in place when the economy does will and $145ave 0.5% which cost million. in 2000, voters said put it back at 5%.

a 5-5-5 guy.me was why not go back to five immediately? >> we should work it back to 5%. my goal would be to get it back to 5%. that is something that has to be done through a series of initiatives to help grow the economy and generate the kind of activity that would trigger the reductions. the one thing i will say is i am not going to raise taxes. i think the tax code is way too complicated and especially complicated for small businesses and we need to do everything we can to simplify it and i will do it as governor. my goal is to get it back to 5%. >> i agree with charlie. that happens under our current economy turns around and that will happen as we went from 5.25% to 5.2%.

part of his plan includes taxesng corporate filing and the type of things that some estimate it will be $600 million off the table of revenue that we do not have. things businesses have not asked for. i have look at your plan and i hope the voters do. to look at giving breaks corporations. i see investing in people and education to get jobs. we have jobs going vacant and people do not have jobs and we need to close that gap. i start from a different point. i want to invest on what people will be able to do as we turn around the economy for everybody. not just boston and cambridge. what to do north adams and others. a question.e we want to include this for the telegram & gazette reader named alfred and he writes.

he takes us back to 1980. -- on the fells acres day care scandal -- martha, what did you have to say? do, district attorney until 1998 in 1983. i've just been in the office. the most important thing to understand is someone who served for seven years and understood the difficulty of bringing children in an investigating those cases, most of the cases we do not bring to trial. we have 900 cases a year and we

, in bring one/three -- 1/3 those cases, we reviewed as important part is three governors including republican governors look at it and refused to issue their commutation. the case was tried fairly and rightnd if it was not the result, i would've been the first to say we should change this. >> your rebuttal. >> the big question associate with this is the issue of whether or not in fact the parole board made a correct recommendation at the time. as somebody familiar with the i am a little uncomfortable drawing too many conclusions. i believe generally speaking the parole board does a pretty decent job on the source of cases and in this particular case, i am glad that he is a free man. >> a twitter question.

do you support an olympic games in boston? >> i think certainly the planning associated is a good idea. toole way, some of the developed by bostons 2024 on how the city would change and how the region would change to use certain kind of assumptions around traffic and distribution and real estate will be incredibly powerful tool to help the regions go forward. i think the opportunity to host the games is one that massachusetts and greater boston should take seriously. , i'm i see more details sticking to my notion that i think it is a great planning exercise. >> i say, go for the gold. >> there's been pushed back about whether massachusetts can support it.

out and they will come fight it. do you understand that side? >> sure. massachusetts has the opportunity to make that investment and i do believe and i do not disagree with what charlie said, as we plan, you have to look at the numbers obviously. ande look optimistically say here is an opportunity for us to invest in infrastructure that not only will be great for massachusetts to host, but serviceable a usable -- a useful. we have the smarts to do it and we should do it. >> one thing. the attorney general's answer is part of what i see as the problem with the way she thinks about some of these things. she has three people serve on the health connector board. they took a website that was working at a waiver from the federal government that it made 90% of our people covered and they said, go for the gold.

we ended up with a connector that is broken and hundreds of means of dollars spent on trying -- hundreds of millions of dollars spent on trying to fix a broken system. as we center today, we still do not know how much money the commonwealth has already spent and how much the commonwealth is going to spend and when it will get this. on big issues like this, people needed to dig into the details and make sure they understand the consequences of their decisions. the health connector was a goal for the cold a moment and the folks made the wrong decision. >> it is an interesting pivot. critical of that decision. and it works independent of the it is clearly apples and oranges and i disagree. >> in the first debate, you said

you were proud -- >> and i am. on many of the issues they have addressed in bringing it down and we know we were the first state to bring health care reform to work on cost. the website has been a disaster and i agree. are appointees of several people and i do not dictate what decisions they make. we agreed the other day. >> if someone says go for the gold on a complicated issue, we should all take a deep breath. >> let's take a deep breath. coming up next, massachusetts gubernatorial debate, the candidates will ask each other questions. we will be right back. [applause] c-span, back to the debate in a minute.

>> a few years ago, wall street gambled with our money and destroyed so many lives and we can never let happen again. charlie baker is offering the typical republican plan, tax cut for corporations. i have a different view. we need an economy where every gets a fair shot. the old boys club at once charlie baker and i want to be the governor for you. >> democrats and independents are supporting charlie baker for charlie baker. >> i am voting for charlie baker. >> that is because baker delivers. fixing government. he is pro-choice. charlie baker got people off welfare and made massachusetts the first in jobs. will leadker massachusetts in a new direction. >> i am voting for charlie

baker. >> she has been -- >> now back to the massachusetts governor's debate. it is getting underway in a minute. >> the debate in the massachusetts governor debate will get underway in the short minute. >> welcome back to our gubernatorial debate here at the

beautiful hanover theatre. time to get away from the moderator. it's time for the candidates to speak directly to each other and to speak directly to each other. >> you have talked a lot about the turnaround. i have asked, why is it in that turnaround 2000 people lost their jobs, and while you raised premiums 150% and your own salary went up, what do you say to those people who lost their jobs and their care about why

your salary -- salary lost? >> i talked to many of those people when we went through that transition. it was broken. it had been broken for a long time. i was forced to make some painful decisions. if people had done a better job of managing that it might not have come to that. when i said to -- during the debate with john keller, we were to enormously hard to make sure we created -- worked in enormously hard to make sure we came up with a plan. yourpeople like tom riley, mentor, one of your biggest supporters, has called many of your accusations nonsense and

said this is one of the reasons many people don't go into public service. i am proud of the work those people did taking a company that was virtually bankrupt and turning it to the number one health care. >> i think cutting off rhode island was the toughest decision you ever made. you made choices i wouldn't have the people whof were impacted. i think people need to understand what the difference i would do making decisions and how you look at the bottom line. >> he is talking to you. >> there was a $225 million loss n receivership. >> why wouldn't you look at other options?

didn't take a $1.7 million increase in my salary and 99 in 2000. >> it increased. you saw an increase dealing with a not for profit while a lot of people lost their jobs or suffered. how you want.d that has an impact on people. >> you don't have any suggestions of how you dealt with the problem? [applause] >> i will give you the final word. >> that is not the point. i could ask you every day, when i went after wall street, when i solve the problems before me to get good solutions, i started with the people first. i didn't start with cutting.

there are other options. my point is you are always looking at the bottom line. that is one example. [applause] >> we will switch gears now. a question for you. >> over the past few years we have seen several scandals. labproblems with the crime that led to hundreds of convicted felons going back on problems which led to a number of tragedies, theaforementioned disaster, fiasco associated with the medical marijuana rollout, the compounded pharmacy crisis, which led to the deaths of over -- yetle, it yesterday yesterday you told the audience in the room state government was fine and doesn't need to be fixed. i would like you to explain to the voters why you don't think

state government needs to be fixed. >> i didn't say it didn't need to be fixed. i didn't say that. ihave said there are things think we can do better. i have spoken about the need to change the mission for the department of children and families. it's an impossible mission to keep families safe. that thought because of that issue and mismanagement. because of that issue and mismanagement. i understand we can do better. understand what our department of public health under the offices of the civilian organization can do a better job because i have worked in those fields. i am confident i can do better on those things, but that's different from saying state

government is broken. you served in an administration where you came in and laid off mental health workers. >> we are going to have to hold you here. you want to do a 32nd follow-up. 30 second follow-up. >> a group filed a lawsuit against the department of children and families arguing it wasn't living up to its commitment to kids. it is a compelling document and brought up a number of issues about the performance of the department. yet with that document in your possession you sat silently by while the government and legislature cut the budget at $40 million in that particular year. can you explain why you sat silently when they cut that budget by $40 million? this is disingenuous,

dishonest. on my record of standing up for kids and making them -- making sure instead of settling on millions of dollars -- withdied lawyers lawyers that was not the solution, i have always operated in the best interest of children. i will do that as governor. i still remain calling on you to take down that add. the suggestions you would have outsourced that to get federal , i think that is an equally compelling argument against your decision-making and whose side you are on. will keep it right there.

allison, you are next. >> this is a question for charlie. you are both fighting for the women's vote. martha coakley, who holds a double-digit lead, so she will make decisions that help women -- helped make women a priority. for those who vote based on women's issues, why are you the better candidate? ask when i got into this race i said i was going to chase 100% of the vote, and i meant it. when i campaigned in all neighborhoods across this state, i talked to people about what we can do to improve our economy, what we can do to make sure every school is a great school, and what we can do to strengthen our communities. i put policy proposals out there on how to deal with those things. those matter to women and two men. a a business executive and

former public official, i am proud of the 12 members when i i spentre women, and five years serving as the corporate advisory board chair to the boston globe, which is the largest professional women's organization in new england. you this.ise my administration will be populated at the highest level by women of experience. >> would you like to respond? >> i have never asked for anybody's vote because i am a woman. as i ran for attorney general, now i am running for governor. when i graduated from law school my dad gave me a plaque that said, sometimes the best man for a job is a woman. i am running because of my experience. we want to talk about diversity at every level. that means bringing in people with shared experiences. that includes women. it includes people of color.

haven'tdes people who had a chance to be around the table around issues that impact them. it is true in poor neighborhoods. it is true in schools. it is true of women who are worried about whether their children are going to get a good education. because i am ag woman. i am asking for voters to decide who is going to stand up for all people. why you havering trouble with the male vote. groupon inhave a this campaign. i think different ways in which we get our message across -- i that.pay attention to i look for people who haven't had a seat at the table, who haven't had a voice, and that is what i have done my entire life,

which why it -- is why i am so say, who will be my voice? who will not just listen to special interest? >> we're going to talk about gateway cities. the legislature set an aggressive agenda in the house bill recently. 475 million dollars over five years. what will you do as governor to neede places get what they in terms of economic development and social programs and transportation? >> i huge part of my development land is built around developing initiatives in gateway cities. i can speak to several. we need to deal with the auditorium and the old courthouse. remember, i running mate is from worcester.

the likelihood i am not going to be able to spend most of my time in worcester is pretty small. any of you have met karen know that that will be a major focus of our administration. we have also talked about taking the 25 different federal and date programs to build economic opportunity and turning it into a holistic package of tools and toolkits we can use to create the type of strategic initiatives that are going to bring jobs and opportunities to those communities. i got into that race saying it was built on geography, education, and resources was going to be a major priority. >> one more question. understandas tax, i you would not vote to cut the link between inflation and the

gas tax. the issue is we need the money for infrastructure. while it is fine to say, let's make them vote every time, isn't it true it is very difficult to take -- get the legislature to take a clean vote on anything. is it really a good idea to cut the link to inflation, or are we asking the impossible? >> i think that's not even the question. the question is it is a simple, commonplace way for most his newspaper. people look at the fact we haven't been able to support -- they agreeges this is a good way to do this. projects right here that are not going to get done if we don't do that investing, or they aren't going to get done soon enough if you look at what you have to do on , and if you have to

look at fixing the bridge, you are not going to be able to do that. 640 kids are on a waiting list for early education. will invest in i that. my republican opponent will not. >> i know you have a universal pre-k question. >> if the legislature wants to raise taxes they can vote to raise taxes. it can be held at the ballot box. that's the way democracy works. the idea the gas tax should go up every year because it is easy is not what government is about. it is not what representative >>ernment is all about. allison, you are next. >> i have a question, and this is about balance of power, were all but a small handful of elected officials are democrats.

governor romney called it a gang of three. charlie baker called it everyone playing for the same team. doesn't this argument for more checks and balances in state government have some merit? what if it think if you really look at the facts about what is happening and what hasn't happened, i think the real issue is about transparency and accountability. one of the biggest scandals in the treasury was under treasury malone. ics my record i am happy -- ics my record i am happy to stand up to anybody who breaks the law, whether democrats or republicans. i started a public integrity division. party who should be held accountable. i think it's about accountability and what your record is. i am proud to stand on mine. i will be a governor who will

we have the right balance. all democrats decide? >> i wonder if she thinks she will stand up for all people who break the law, including the speaker of the house. let's talk about the health connector again. here you have probably the worst in the united states of america associated with implementing the affordable care act. in every other state that had a botched rollout there were public hearings, public investigations, public debate, lessons learned, and consequences associated with what happened, except in massachusetts, which had the worst rollout of all. unaccountable even the boston globe, which is a big fan of the affordable care act in massachusetts health care reform law voted three weeks ago

about what has happened is outrageous. we need people to come clean. >> why did you stand yesterday and say you would have him reappointed for the board? that doesn't make sense. ts, and theydependenc do have a responsibility. unless you are going to change the policy and get rid of the enrollment, you're not going to solve that problem. >> the help all us see commission and connector have nothing to do with each other. the health connector is something you appoint people to and is fundamentally responsible for the website and the connection between the medicaid program and the affordable care act. the health policy commission is supposed to do analytics around things like mergers. they came out and opposed the merger of the hospital. they came against the merger with wakefield hospital, which

you also supported. it's not the same. >> i understand that, and i know that. that's what makes the appointments important, but they notindependent. this is about democrat and republican. those are bad examples if you want to talk about balance. >> i disagree. gears.e going to switch i have one question. we hear a lot about the communities. urbane talk about is communities sometimes feel during an election they can be used, that you will see candidates roll through, make mss -- promises, but don't deliver. about youeen made campaigning in communities of color. tot promises have you made

bring jobs to those communities, and how can they hold you accountable if you are elected governor? >> one thing i said is i am going to chase 100% of the vote, and i meant it. i have spent time sitting in people's living rooms, sitting in church parlors, sitting in community centers talking about what their issues and concerns are and working on an agenda to respond to those concerns. agenda, which we proposed three weeks ago is going to be the way those folks will be able to hold me accountable. i was proud to stand at our arece with 50 people who leaders in those communities supporting our initiative and saying, this is the sort of thing big government should be doing and haven't been doing. we support it.

>> what can you see that they have done? >> there are several initiatives. one is charter schools. i appreciate the attorney general has come around. it was a shame that the house passed the expansion to serve senateties, and the blocked it at the end of the legislative session. that was a huge setback. i have certainly spent time not just as a candidate but as attorney general and district attorney before that understanding what impact people don't have a voice to get those answers. -- particularly you talk about early education. those are ways you start to level the playing field, by

giving people a fair shot of getting an education and being able to go to a tech school. visited the one here because it does such a good job of getting kids prepared for and i know the opportunities for women particularly to make 77% of the dollar, but women are making less than that. this is about fairness of the quality. this is about all people giving them a fair shot and to participate in this wonderful economy. >> if you go to our website you can find our urban agenda. it is there for everybody to read. we have one. we have worked hard to develop it as we believe it. >> time for some rapidfire questions. the answer is simply yes or no.

>> charlie likes yes or no questions. >> have you ever smoked marijuana? >> no. >> charlie? >> yes. think. my mother and father aren't listening to this. >> do you think the sale of marijuana should be legal nationwide? >> i think we are dealing -- >> yes or no. >> no. >> no. >> the you support casino gambling in massachusetts? yes or no. problem withe these questions. it should not be repealed. >> i am going to vote against it. >> will you -- should illegal immigrants get driver's

licenses? >> i don't know yet. >> yes or no. >> i am not going to answer a question. >> you have to. >> no. >> martha, should illegal immigrants get in-state tuition? >> yes. >> i support the governors executive order. >> is there a place for martha coke in the administration? >> no. coakley -- in the administration? >> sure. >> one more final question. if you lose this race, are you politicalng for

office? >> yes. >> if i lose, yes. my wife would never let me run for anything else. >> let's get ready for closing. i believe charlie baker gets the closing. me think the viewers for tuning in. let me bank this great office for your wonderful participation. martha, let me thank you as well. i just want to start by asking mayor of to keep the boston and his wife's and their prayers. your life has a funny way of throwing you the worst, and after all the years he spent serving i was hoping he was going to have the kind of retirement he deserves. let me say a couple things. first, i got in this race

because i wanted to make government work better. i want to make it better for the people who pay the bills and the people who depend on it for services and expected to perform. i am proud to say so far i have gotten the endorsement of every massachusetts, primarily because they believe i have the right agenda, the right skill set, and the right focus to get things done and to bring the kind of excellence and performance to beacon hill that has been missing. i hope you will consider voting for me on november 4. >> martha? >> thank you for the terrific audience. i am asking for your vote on november 4. i know you have heard about my brother and what my family went through with mental illness and his ability -- inability to get help for that. there are too many people who don't get that help. we don't provide good mental health and behavioral health

four. there are too many people addicted who need extra beds. i will do that as governor. i also know that when we invest in our kids and when we see kids in a good vocational technical school, we need computer science. i want you to hear about these kids who, when they were learning coding, they taught me how to get the angry birds to eat each other after an hour. these kids were so excited about what they were learning. they said to me about their teacher, mr. marx teaches us how to walk and relearn how to fly. i thought, that's what we want for all of our kids in massachusetts. when we do that to my when we invest in our kids, we will be prosperous and fair. do that, when we invest in our kids, we will be prosperous and fair. >> we would like to thank our

partners, the hanover theatre for the performing arts. let's give them a round of applause. and theof commerce gazette. we would also like to thank allison king and the gazette. we would like to think our candidates. we appreciate your time this evening. thank you so much. thanks to our audience. have a great night. ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] adsere is a look at the running in the massachusetts governor's race.

>> charlie baker is offering the typical plan. not much for the rest of us. we needed an economy where everyone gets a fair shot with early childhood education, equal pay for women. i want a governor for you. >> democrats and independents are supporting charlie baker for governor. >> i am quoting charlie baker. >> he is pro-choice. he got people off welfare and maine massachusetts first in jobs. charlie baker will lead massachusetts in a new direction. >> i am voting for charlie baker. >> he has been a powerful advocate for women and kids and one of the toughest opponents wall street and big banks have

ever seen. now martha coakley has a plan to build an economy that works for everyone. so people get the skills they need to succeed, invest and in roads and bridges and mass transit and creating regional economy so every area of the state can thrive. she is not the insiders choice. she is hours. >> governor, dad? that is optimistic. numberade massachusetts one in job creation. made it the best health care company. >> you are pro-choice and bipartisan. >> bipartisan is what we need. we can make massachusetts great and create jobs by controlling spending and requiring work for welfare. >> more jobs? confident. >> no problem. i have done it before. >> c-span has more than