they taken 10% of the students out of high school and account for 46% of student loan defaults. nd.t has to ebn i want the police that sector of higher dictation were closely. i support renegotiating student loans. up told save families $2000 per family. we now have a terrible situation. our students are too deeply in debt and their lives have changed because of it. >> you are a former teacher. what is your strategy for this? >> students are paying too high in interest on their loans. i support refinancing but let's face facts -- those high interest rates are set by senator durbin and is a administration. he has been there for 32 years. >> what would you do? >> we should lower the interest rates so they are competitive.

alloweve we should private colleges and universities to compete with public universities because it is competition that provides better opportunities. if they have a higher loan default rate, let's tighten the standards. let's not put colleges or universities out of business as the senator has done. i believe greater use of technology such as learning over the web, taking advantage of the very best teachers would provide a way to bring down some of the cost of education. we need to move in those directions. >> the next question is from laura washington. >> voters say they are turned off by all the negative and misleading ads of the campaign. >> same here. >> in one of your ads, you accused your opponent of spying on citizens, putting millions of dollars in his own pocket and being the father of d.c. gridlock. what is the factual basis for those allegations? >> public documents show he has received in excess of $9 million

of lobbyist money. clearly, that is influenced some of his votes in legislation. my family business happens to be ice cream. his family business happens to be lobbying and the sale of influence. i think that is bad for the country. we will vote in ways that we believe are good for the country and good for the state. when you have career politicians like a dick durbin, he will say anything if he thinks he will earn a vote. does not have to be related to the truth. we need to have term limits so they vote in ways that are good for the country, not career politicians will vote in ways to help themselves get reelected. >> you are saying he is received a lobbyist funds and they are going to his campaign. the ad implies they are going into his pocket. >> he has received in excess of $9 million in his campaign which he is spending against me. >> that is not going into his pocket.

>> he has become a multimillionaire at the taxpayers expense. >> i want to point out you have run negative ads. i want to as both of you if you are willing to as of tomorrow pledge to drop your negative ads for the rest of the campaign. >> of course. i would like to see this and as quickly as possible. we didn't run her first negative ad until he opened up with nearly $1 million of negative advertising. i'm not going to sit there and get punched around. if he wants to pull his negative ads, we can pull them tomorrow. >> you both agree? >> i am ready. >> yes spent three or four times as much as i have. physics use will be that he pulled down his negative ad but he has a super pac. >> that is fine, but would you agree to pull your versatile negative ads if he agrees? >> i would change our ad to be a positive ad, but it has to be on the basis where we have

equality. that is not the case he will be using. >> so, you are both willing to agree to stop running negative ads? that i hear you both say that? >> i will make that pledge. he talked about my super pac -- there was one businessman who was spent over $1 million in negative advertisement against me in support of his candidacy. sadly, this is what citizens united has brought us. i think it was a terrible decision. i supported an amendment to put >>it.to t. >> there is quite a difference between your super pac and supplying your campaign with campaign country visions over a period of time. >> tomorrow, we are not going to see any more negative ads from either side?

>> i think that is not realistic. it takes time to make changes. we don't have another at an we don't have the money to produce another ad that he does. >> charles thomas, the next question from you. >> african-americans have supported you by overwhelming majority in your three previous statewide elections. given the chronic unemployment, homelessness, crime and underperforming schools in the black community, why should african-americans continue to vote for you? >> i think this is been an interesting issue in this campaign, not just the senatorial race, but the gubernatorial race. are making inroads in the south suburbs in the south side of chicago. i don't take any vote or group for granted. we have to work hard to earn those votes. i find it hard to understand how my opponent can appear before these african-american churches and sell them he feels their pain, but he opposes raising the minimum wage they need.

he canit hard to imagine walk in these parades against gun violence and his position is unique in this race. universal background checks to keep the guns out of the hands of convicted thugs. i find it impossible to its plain how he can call for the repeal obama care when all's 700,000 people in illinois are counting on obama care for the basic health insurance they have. those are three areas i have worked hard to help the african immunity in. >> howdy you respond to the suggestions that maybe -- how do you respond to the suggestions that may be are buying the african-american votes? >> i am not. some people indicate they could support our campaign if we would make certain conservations and we said no. we have right here the reverend. if you talk to him, you will

find out why he is supporting it and it relates -- i understand how to create jobs. the senator does not work in the private sector and does not create private sector jobs. i have and i will. i know what it takes. secondly, education -- we need to have better education for our kids. we can do that. he killed a wonderful pilot program in washington that was helping minority kids. when the people on the south side hear that story and check to find out it is true, that is one of the reasons they are supporting me over him. we giveit is critical them opportunities. if there is a great example on the south side of chicago where we have at chicago public school and ibm working to supplement their funding and provide them with a guaranteed $40,000 a year starting salary when they graduate three years after high school. >> the next question is from mr. rodriguez. >> let's talk about the minimum wage. statistics in the u.s. census bureau show that 23.5% of latinos currently are below the

poverty level. that is a big problem. you will probably need the latino vote and african-american vote to win this election. why doesn't it make sense for you to support a minimum wage increase? >> i believe you know i support haveand i have said -- i sponsored legislation in springfield to increase illinois minimum wage to $10 over the next three years. support only $10 an hour for people over 26 years old. >> let me explain why. accordinge supports, to the congressional budget office, a bipartisan group in washington, indicates that would kill between 500000 and one million jobs in this country. my bill has the advantage of providing a higher wage for those that are 26 and older then have to begin paying for their own insurance. at the same time, it would not prevent teenagers and young

adults from getting an entry-level job so they can learn the skills and go on to better paying jobs. it is the best of both worlds. not the job killing factors he does, but does have a higher wage for those workers who have experience. >> the congressional budget report, he is right about that. how can you assure that raising the minimum wage will not eliminate between half a million to one million jobs? >> i don't think that will happen. nine her thousand people will come out of poverty. bill may be the single worst idea in this campaign. no increase in the minimum wage. you have to be a college student working your way through school? no increase in the minimum wage if you are under 26 and a single mom raising a baby. no increase if you are under 26 and just came out of serving the military as a veteran. this is the single worst idea i have heard and he embraces it every time we get together.

we need to make sure people get decent wages. week,y work 40 hours a they should not be under the party level. integrate more profits,, more businesses across america. i believe you build the american economy from the bottom up, not tax breaks for the wealthy. >> your response to our country's response to ebola. has enough been done to keep american citizen safe? >> i have had a conversation in the last few days with the head of the cdc and the usaid. are hard at work. when he to keep america safe. what we are doing now is reviewing all the processes, all of the efforts, the equipment, the materials to make sure we are ready if any of these cases

show up. we are checking at o'hare at airports across the country to see if people have a fever when they arrive in the country. if they are, they are examined and quarantined if necessary. problem created this and made it worse is the fact that the tea party and sequestration over the last 10 years has reduced american investment in medical research by 22%. we should be investing in finding cures for diseases in this country. the people who look at the budget and see it as numbers and don't understand the medical research is really the key to protecting americans, putting behind us other diseases, i don't understand the value of some of these. >> our government has a duty to protect us not only from military threats but also from health threats. we and fortunately have been very slow to react in this case. he has been out campaigning instead of helping to deal with this issue. we should of long ago

established limits on visas, flights to this country and gotten better education. my own daughter is a nurse practitioner and the hospital in aurora. i talked to her about this issue and she serves and the emergency room, by the way, where they're likely to face this if it happens here. she says they have not gone the training and education and support they need to get. we need to have our government support us. this is one case where our government should be supporting us and it has failed to do so. i think we need to do much better not only in this case, but going forward as well. he can tell he talks about what a good friend he is to the president. he should be picking up the phone and asked the president to do more and do it now. >> assault weapons ban. we would like to hear if the positions of each of you on a ban on assault weapons.

>> i support a ban on assault weapons. these are military weapons that are designed for one purpose -- to kill other human beings in volume. we have seen them is used. i have been out hunting, shooting ducks. if you need an ak-47 to shoot a deer or duck, you are to stick to fishing. i think we need to draw the line. we supreme court has told as control the line of certain weapons that should not be sold in america. i think assault weapon should be in that category and yes, i would vote to ban them. will do everything possible to reduce violence in this country. that is why i have been standing -- >> does that include banning assault weapons? >> the me finish my answer. i've and standing out on the corner of cottage grove to call attention to violence and i will do whatever i can to help reduce violence in this country. the problems you are talking about -- our own government did a study and it came to the conclusion that assault weapons are not used in crimes and they did not in fact reduce violence.

having said that, i will do everything i can. i want to tell you a personal story and why i support second amendment rights. about 25 years ago, my sister-in-law was sitting in her saw kidsoom and saw he break into her home. they sat her down in the living room, put a gun in her head and shot her. i listen in court as one kid was telling the story against the other kid about what happened. it was one of the more horrifying things i have ever heard and for that reason, i support the second amended. if you had a gun in her bedroom, she might be alive today. >> that is a no? you don't support the ban? >> i would support it if there is evidence it would reduce violence. so far, the government said there is no such evidence. >> so you don't support a ban on assault weapons?

>> i want absolutely support a ban if there is evidence it would reduce violence. the evidence so far is it does not reduce violence. from the government. >> any response to that, senator? >> i am sorry for the tragedy to your family. second, 92% of americans believe a universal background check to keep guns out of the hands of and out of thes hands of mentally unstable people is the right thing to do. my opponent says it is not. the american people say there is no place for military assault rifles when it comes to hunting or even self-defense. my opponent will not bring himself to ban these weapons. it may only save a few lives because more people were killed by handguns, but let's save those lives. >> thank you very much, gentlemen. that brings the conclusion the question portion. now, we turn to your closing statements.

>> thank you. thanks to all of our viewers for listening tonight. as i said,e facts -- the senator is a much better to speaker than i am. he is smooth. he has been in washington for 32 years. unfortunately, when somebody is in washington for 32 years, they lose touch with people in the streets. that is what i have heard over and over again in the south side of chicago. they don't see dick durbin. he doesn't understand their problems today. he is not the same man he was 32 years ago when he first ran for congress. i think it is absolutely important that we have limits on how long people serve because the longer people are in washington, the more they're likely to vote for one regulation on top of another hurting business and his country and making us less competitive with other countries. my goal will be to keep the economy growing faster instead of the current one or 2% so we create more jobs or opportunities for people. as we great more jobs, people have more money to spend and that creates faster economic

growth and more job growth. that is what i offer. the center offers more of the same job killing economic environment and that has ti change. ,> during my time in washington i have commuted every week back home to illinois, the only permanent resident i have ever had. my wife and i are proud to be residents. let me tell you what i heard when i come home -- traveling across the state to the time i have served in the united states senate, people, working families want a fighting chance for their futures. american companies he does stay in america and pay their taxes rather than move jobs overseas. do not create incentives to take jobs out of this country. secondly, give those families the peace of mind of affordable health insurance. that is what we are working towards and something my opponent says he will repeal. when it comes to college

education, i would not be standing here tonight without a government loan that i too got to pay for my education. i paid it back but the government gave me a chance. i think i ended up in a pretty good position in life. i'm honored to represent this great state in the united states senate. i want every working family to have the same opportunities. >> thank you. that concludes our debate tonight. on behalf of abc seven eyewitness news and the league of women voters, thank you for watching tonight. i am reminding you to vote on the fourth of november. have a good night. >> you concede bates and ads for races around the country. here's a look at the ads running in the illinois senate race.

>> i was watching the news that day and i heard a report about the taliban claiming responsibility for the helicopter getting shot down in afghanistan. my husband and his gunner were the only survivors. county suffered a severe traumatic rain injury. there is not much about our life that is the same. senator demint passed a law that provided me with the resources and the training so that i am able to take care of tony at home. i believe that for dick durbin it is not about politics. he cares for veterans and their families. i believe it is a blessing that i am able to take care of tony and our home with our children where he feels loved and that has meant the world to us. >> i am dick durbin and i am

proud to approve this message. youf you like his ice cream will love him in the senate. he believes lower tax rates and a simpler tax code will create more jobs. many americans are homeless or confused -- are confused about how to fill other taxes. he believes this can be solved. this is why he is the perfect candidate. >> $66,000. >> $100,000. >> $60,000. >> the high cost of college is weighing down america's middle class. that is why i'm fighting for a law so college loans can be refinanced at today's lower interest rates. it will raise thousands of dollars of debt for millions of families. why can't you refinance a stir

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>> live from the hanover theatre in worcester, massachusetts. the massachusetts gubernatorial debate. brought to you by the was to chamber of commerce, and the hanover theatre for the performing arts. .chris sinacola --erating the debate is [applause] >> good evening and welcome. is distinctbate differences between charlie baker and martha coakley. and the differences by the candidates and speaking to each

other directly. there is one rule we will follow and that is timekeeping. the candidates will put a peri od at the end of their sentence when they are done. give a huge front of a pause to mark -- martha coakley and charlie baker. applause to martha coakley and charlie baker. [applause] charlie, you won the coin toss. you said you have done nothing wrong and you said you have done nothing wrong. you made a $10,000 donation to the republican state committee and several months later's, the state of new jersey invested $15

million in a company you were in. how to does not violate new jersey's rules? >> i have been transparent. raised, theue was attorney happened to be the former general counsel and i gave to my employment contract plus every other document asociated as said if there is problem here, please tell me what it is and i will be happy to correct it. he wrote a lengthy report, 15 pages and all, spelling out everything and interpretation of the lot in new jersey and the documents i gave. after the and, i did not the -- i did notthe end, need to make corrections. it is available for anyone who wants to read it. i submitted all of my texan ax income. i have done everything i could

do to make public this issue and at this point in time, i do not believe i have done everything wrong. the lawyer basically agree with me. >> martha, you have a different take. nothe one thing you have done charlie is turn over the copy of your employment contract. do gave it to the lawyer to that. two things remain. you are still under investigation. thewhen you clear up question for voters in massachusetts? and why wouldn't your friends and new jersey, the governor there, released the results of this report they'll supposed to determine whether or not there was a violation by you? today said it will be a few weeks and we heard it will not be out until november 16. it does not look good. willrst, the investigation be done whenever it is done.

i believe the documentation we made available to the public face of the review done by the attorney, he is a former general counsel at the federal election commission. i gave them all of the documentation and he cleared it. whoonly person on this date has been fined for campaign violations is the attorney general who paid a $24,000 fine for violations. >> you are smiling, i think you have an answer. >> if any errors were made known to me, i've moved to make the transparent. those were not fined, they clearly were not defined. own top of that, why would you not release your employment contract? there was a issue about elizabeth warren's harwich au you called upon her to release -- and you called upon her to release it. you could give up your employment contract and you will not do it. .> i hired an attorney

i gave them all of the documentation associated and you wrote up a major review which went into great detail about my employment agreement. the document would tell them a lot about what was in that agreement and how it works. at this point and time, the issue is going to be decided when they issue their final report. i would imagine the attorney general would know investigation is finished when they finish. when it is available, the folks will release it. >> one follow-up. do you regret giving that donation? >> well, yeah. [laughter] >> you wish you had never done it? wanted totime, i support the governor who has been supportive of me when iran for governor in 2010. i was completely transparent about the fact i made the donation as well.

and transparent about the fact i was working with the general counsel. , dohe $50 million invested you think it would've happened if you did not make the donation? >> it would've had nothing to do with it. the state of new jersey made a 50% profit on it in less than two years. it was a good investment for pensioners. the point.not in they just divested that and i am not sure of the reasons. it does not look good. this is about insider information and that is what the pay to play is about. we have the situation where it appears to be a pay to play in the delay on the report. i would call on you and easy way to release your employment contract. >> one final word, charlie. >> if someone can make a 50% investment -- profit on their

investment, is a good deal for pensioners and officers and teachers and firefighters and most pension systems including the one in massachusetts would love to get a 50% return. >> let's move on. martha, some recent polls have been in charlie favor. endorsedon globe" has him. headlines have been chasing you. why aren't you leading? >> thank you for that question. i appreciate that what matters of course is not a newspapers' endorsement. i believe this race is pretty clear -- close right now. people believe that what i have been focused on since i got into the race a year ago was on traveling around the state and listening to people about what they needed and where we could go as the economy started to

turn around. because i believe we have the best ideas about turning the economy around for earned sick time and giving people early education and when they do not have doctors to do it, and making sure we invest in our kids, so that have the jobs in the future. that is what is going to win this race. i am confident we will win on november 4. >> charlie, you get 45 seconds. globe endorsement. republicans have not had it for a long time. is it a close race or not? >> i have been gratified for what would've gotten from the voters across the commonwealth and received endorsements from "the boston globe" and every massachusetts paper has endorsed our campaign. i believe they believe that the state government is broken and the next governor of massachusetts needed to be a proven leader and manager with

tremendous success in the public sector and private sector and served in local government. clearly the voters am a it has gone from 20 points behind to a little -- clearly, the voters have it gone up from 20 points behind to a little ahead. >> we will move on. first, our panelists. >> this is for charlie baker. you do not say much about welfare reform on the campaign trail but your advertisements show you will be aggressive. given the legislature passed a reform bill, how much further do you want to go with welfare reform and is it one of her top priorities? >> excuse me. a fairw, we have spent amount of time talking about reform of many kinds, including to our welfare system. many of the reforms part of the

package we put together last spring became part of the legislative reform package at the end of the session. i would be added to zest of support are and look forward to implementing. i spent time in the city all worcester with the former mayor. they have, with a series of initiatives of how to help people basically find their way out of public housing and into self-sufficiency. on more we can do to build those types of programs, the better off we will be. the vast majority of folks on public housing would like to find a way off. >> if you could wave a magic wand and do one thing with welfare reform, what would you do? name one thing you would promote. part of thatink as package was coming up with a strategy to help people find their way to work.

at the end, everybody wants purpose and want to work and find their way to a job and that should be a fundamental objective. coakley, you do not talk much about welfare reform and is a part of your agenda? wouldrlie proposed what put caps on how long somebody would stay on housing. people who can get out sooner will and i believe there are ways to do it by giving people the work skills they need, that help and investing in them and not looking at cap. beeno believe -- i have prosecuted and going after convenience stores who have been ebtlved in wbt fraud -- fraud and any company that has been found guilty should not sell lottery or alcohol. i do not want any kids to go hungry and i want the tech stock

-- tax dollars for assistance. >> will will will bond to a question for martha coakley. called casey you into your office where you told him to stop his investigation and to the speaker of the house and others involved in the software controversy. saying according to sullivan there was no evidence anyone had crossed "a bright line into criminality." one person is serving an eight-year sentence and there were also others convicted. were you trying to give him a pass? >> i am glad you asked that question. i am glad you asked. that report occurred i have said and i will say tonight, absolutely untrue what greg sullivan has said. that never happened and i never

said that. what the voters should know is that we brought state cases against richard vitali that was applicable to something involved of something that was against lobbying laws. i brought the charges with the resources they have to get that conviction. the statement is untrue in the globe and all of our documents support it. we did the investigation. and we got convictions of three people involved in tickets kindle and -- ticket scandals. >> and greg sullivan was flat out lying. or flatr flat out lying out wrong. i have documentation. >> greg sullivan has a distinguished career as a leading democrat on beacon hill, first in the legislature and then an investigator or before the attorney general's office

and serving several terms as the inspector general before he retired. he has a number of major convictions that were part of investigations that he led during his time as both an investigator and inspector general. he served his last term by the attorney general and the auditor and the governor. he is a person of extraordinary high integrity and his response to the character assassination issued by your campaign yesterday and compelling reading specific dates, times. the attorney general old the public an explanation for that. >> the inspector general does not bring charges, he does investigations. secondly, i am the one who brought the charges and got convictions against richard and dickey. i would ask you why you took money in this campaign from richard? i prosecuted convicted felons

and you are taking money from them. >> you are going to change the subject and you still are not going to respond. i would be happy to send it back to richard's check. if you really want to clear the air on this one all you need to respond to the allegations that were raised by greg sullivan. and we will. >> this is not a two bit guy a but a reputation for forthrightness and honesty and commitment. wayhim to be attacked the you folks attacking yesterday is beyond the pale. you owe him an explanation of the board for the issues he raised. he wasissue is whether correct or not. let's stick with the merits. he was wrong about that and with the document he was wrong. why he said it to "the globe," i do not know.

know, ithat, i cooperate of with the u.s. attorney in the investigation. the record demonstrates that. we have three people in jail and you got a check for one. >> we will leave it there. chris, give us some questions. we will movebut onto everybody's favorite topic. taxes. had an idearecently of the graduate income tax. something voters have in the past rejected. do you think it is a better and fairer means of raising revenue than a flat income tax? >> no, that was a discussion we had on what i said and asked about, what would you do if you income?ook at

the primary response is we look at moving forward with the income taxes coming down to 5.2%. i believe as the economy turns around and our economy is moving as twice the pace of any state in the country. around, themy turns income tax goes down to 5%. we talked about something the legislature was working at. i know it takes a constitutional convention to change it. i hope we do not raise them. >> chris, you want to follow-up with charlie? >> i guess the first thing i ourd say, if you think economy isn't growing, you would need to get out of the office more. the people i talk to is anxious. if they have a job, they are worried about keeping it. across thisned state, the working people of massachusetts have been on the

receiving end of dozen of tax seven or over the past eight years. the first thing they say to me is i feel like i've been new one and diamond to death. difference, i big say this to the voters, i am not going to raise your taxes. the attorney general has made it clear that she will. >> can i respond? he was happy to take a no new taxes, but you have not done it and you have not signed it. you talk about a lot of things you want to do but you will not talk about where the money will come from. the difference between charlie and me as the economy turns around, i will roll out a red carpet for business. we need to make sure our people are prepared for the jobs and our kids get early education and stem education with art and music. make colleges is affordable and

available to people. that is where he differs. he has a republican playbook. >> let's hold it right there. >> i hear this a lot. generalhe attorney would read my economic development plan. tax incentives for business to higher people coming off public assistance. tax incentives for business to higher veterans and income tax credit that will go primarily to low income, single moms with makeren that would help work pay. a series of initiatives to build main street and gateway cities and support small businesses as they go through the process of licensing and rulemaking. our proposals, virtually most of our proposals are all about helping small businesses in massachusetts and people who deserve a chance to work and build themselves into self-sufficiency and that is the primary focus.

>> let me stop. chris, you have another tax question. of getting taxes lower. back in 1989, the legislature put in a temporary tax increase for income tax. that was supposed to last for a year and a half. it is still with us in some form and has come down. the series of triggers in place when the economy does will and $145ave 0.5% which cost million. in 2000, voters said put it back at 5%. a 5-5-5 guy.me was why not go back to five immediately? >> we should work it back to 5%. my goal would be to get it back to 5%. that is something that has to be done through a series of initiatives to help grow the

economy and generate the kind of activity that would trigger the reductions. the one thing i will say is i am not going to raise taxes. i think the tax code is way too complicated and especially complicated for small businesses and we need to do everything we can to simplify it and i will do it as governor. my goal is to get it back to 5%. >> i agree with charlie. that happens under our current economy turns around and that will happen as we went from 5.25% to 5.2%. part of his plan includes taxesng corporate filing and the type of things that some estimate it will be $600 million off the table of revenue that we do not have. things businesses have not asked for. i have look at your plan and i hope the voters do. to look at giving breaks

corporations. i see investing in people and education to get jobs. we have jobs going vacant and people do not have jobs and we need to close that gap. i start from a different point. i want to invest on what people will be able to do as we turn around the economy for everybody. not just boston and cambridge. what to do north adams and others. a question.e we want to include this for the telegram & gazette reader named alfred and he writes. he takes us back to 1980. -- on the fells acres day care scandal --

martha, what did you have to say? do, district attorney until 1998 in 1983. i've just been in the office. the most important thing to understand is someone who served for seven years and understood the difficulty of bringing children in an investigating those cases, most of the cases we do not bring to trial. we have 900 cases a year and we , in bring one/three -- 1/3 those cases, we reviewed as important part is three governors including republican governors look at it and refused to issue their commutation. the case was tried fairly and rightnd if it was not the

result, i would've been the first to say we should change this. >> your rebuttal. >> the big question associate with this is the issue of whether or not in fact the parole board made a correct recommendation at the time. as somebody familiar with the i am a little uncomfortable drawing too many conclusions. i believe generally speaking the parole board does a pretty decent job on the source of cases and in this particular case, i am glad that he is a free man. >> a twitter question. do you support an olympic games in boston? >> i think certainly the planning associated is a good idea. toole way, some of the developed by bostons 2024 on how the city would change and how

the region would change to use certain kind of assumptions around traffic and distribution and real estate will be incredibly powerful tool to help the regions go forward. i think the opportunity to host the games is one that massachusetts and greater boston should take seriously. , i'm i see more details sticking to my notion that i think it is a great planning exercise. >> i say, go for the gold. >> there's been pushed back about whether massachusetts can support it. out and they will come fight it. do you understand that side? >> sure. massachusetts has the opportunity to make that investment and i do believe and i do not disagree with what charlie said, as we plan, you have to look at the numbers obviously.

ande look optimistically say here is an opportunity for us to invest in infrastructure that not only will be great for massachusetts to host, but serviceable a usable -- a useful. we have the smarts to do it and we should do it. >> one thing. the attorney general's answer is part of what i see as the problem with the way she thinks about some of these things. she has three people serve on the health connector board. they took a website that was working at a waiver from the federal government that it made 90% of our people covered and they said, go for the gold. we ended up with a connector that is broken and hundreds of means of dollars spent on trying -- hundreds of millions of dollars spent on trying to fix a broken system. as we center today, we still do not know how much money the commonwealth has already spent and how much the commonwealth is going to spend and when it will get this.

on big issues like this, people needed to dig into the details and make sure they understand the consequences of their decisions. the health connector was a goal for the cold a moment and the folks made the wrong decision. >> it is an interesting pivot. critical of that decision. and it works independent of the it is clearly apples and oranges and i disagree. >> in the first debate, you said you were proud -- >> and i am. on many of the issues they have addressed in bringing it down and we know we were the first state to bring health care reform to work on cost. the website has been a disaster and i agree.

are appointees of several people and i do not dictate what decisions they make. we agreed the other day. >> if someone says go for the gold on a complicated issue, we should all take a deep breath. >> let's take a deep breath. coming up next, massachusetts gubernatorial debate, the candidates will ask each other questions. >> welcome back to our gubernatorial debate here at the beautiful hanover theatre. time to get away from the moderator. it's time for the candidates to speak directly to each other and to speak directly to each other.

>> you have talked a lot about the turnaround. i have asked, why is it in that turnaround 2000 people lost their jobs, and while you raised premiums 150% and your own salary went up, what do you say to those people who lost their jobs and their care about why your salary -- salary lost? >> i talked to many of those people when we went through that transition. it was broken. it had been broken for a long time. i was forced to make some

painful decisions. if people had done a better job of managing that it might not have come to that. when i said to -- during the debate with john keller, we were to enormously hard to make sure we created -- worked in enormously hard to make sure we came up with a plan. yourpeople like tom riley, mentor, one of your biggest supporters, has called many of your accusations nonsense and said this is one of the reasons many people don't go into public service. i am proud of the work those people did taking a company that was virtually bankrupt and turning it to the number one health care. >> i think cutting off rhode island was the toughest decision you ever made.

you made choices i wouldn't have the people whof were impacted. i think people need to understand what the difference i would do making decisions and how you look at the bottom line. >> he is talking to you. >> there was a $225 million loss n receivership. >> why wouldn't you look at other options? didn't take a $1.7 million increase in my salary and 99 in 2000. >> it increased. you saw an increase dealing with a not for profit while a lot of people lost their jobs or suffered. how you want.d

that has an impact on people. >> you don't have any suggestions of how you dealt with the problem? [applause] >> i will give you the final word. >> that is not the point. i could ask you every day, when i went after wall street, when i solve the problems before me to get good solutions, i started with the people first. i didn't start with cutting. there are other options. my point is you are always looking at the bottom line. that is one example. [applause] >> we will switch gears now. a question for you. >> over the past few years we have seen several scandals. labproblems with the crime

that led to hundreds of convicted felons going back on problems which led to a number of tragedies, theaforementioned disaster, fiasco associated with the medical marijuana rollout, the compounded pharmacy crisis, which led to the deaths of over -- yetle, it yesterday yesterday you told the audience in the room state government was fine and doesn't need to be fixed. i would like you to explain to the voters why you don't think state government needs to be fixed. >> i didn't say it didn't need to be fixed. i didn't say that. ihave said there are things think we can do better. i have spoken about the need to change the mission for the department of children and families. it's an impossible mission to keep families safe. that thought

because of that issue and mismanagement. because of that issue and mismanagement. i understand we can do better. understand what our department of public health under the offices of the civilian organization can do a better job because i have worked in those fields. i am confident i can do better on those things, but that's different from saying state government is broken. you served in an administration where you came in and laid off mental health workers. >> we are going to have to hold you here. you want to do a 32nd follow-up. 30 second follow-up. >> a group filed a lawsuit against the department of children and families arguing it

wasn't living up to its commitment to kids. it is a compelling document and brought up a number of issues about the performance of the department. yet with that document in your possession you sat silently by while the government and legislature cut the budget at $40 million in that particular year. can you explain why you sat silently when they cut that budget by $40 million? this is disingenuous, dishonest. on my record of standing up for kids and making them -- making sure instead of settling on millions of dollars -- withdied lawyers lawyers that was not the

solution, i have always operated in the best interest of children. i will do that as governor. i still remain calling on you to take down that add. the suggestions you would have outsourced that to get federal , i think that is an equally compelling argument against your decision-making and whose side you are on. will keep it right there. allison, you are next. >> this is a question for charlie. you are both fighting for the women's vote. martha coakley, who holds a double-digit lead, so she will make decisions that help women -- helped make women a priority. for those who vote based on women's issues, why are you the better candidate? ask when i got into this race i

said i was going to chase 100% of the vote, and i meant it. when i campaigned in all neighborhoods across this state, i talked to people about what we can do to improve our economy, what we can do to make sure every school is a great school, and what we can do to strengthen our communities. i put policy proposals out there on how to deal with those things. those matter to women and two men. a a business executive and former public official, i am proud of the 12 members when i i spentre women, and five years serving as the corporate advisory board chair to the boston globe, which is the largest professional women's organization in new england. you this.ise my administration will be populated at the highest level by women of experience.

>> would you like to respond? >> i have never asked for anybody's vote because i am a woman. as i ran for attorney general, now i am running for governor. when i graduated from law school my dad gave me a plaque that said, sometimes the best man for a job is a woman. i am running because of my experience. we want to talk about diversity at every level. that means bringing in people with shared experiences. that includes women. it includes people of color. haven'tdes people who had a chance to be around the table around issues that impact them. it is true in poor neighborhoods. it is true in schools. it is true of women who are worried about whether their children are going to get a good education. because i am ag woman. i am asking for voters to decide who is going to stand up for all

people. why you havering trouble with the male vote. groupon inhave a this campaign. i think different ways in which we get our message across -- i that.pay attention to i look for people who haven't had a seat at the table, who haven't had a voice, and that is what i have done my entire life, which why it -- is why i am so say, who will be my voice? who will not just listen to special interest? >> we're going to talk about gateway cities. the legislature set an aggressive agenda in the house bill recently. 475 million dollars over five

years. what will you do as governor to neede places get what they in terms of economic development and social programs and transportation? >> i huge part of my development land is built around developing initiatives in gateway cities. i can speak to several. we need to deal with the auditorium and the old courthouse. remember, i running mate is from worcester. the likelihood i am not going to be able to spend most of my time in worcester is pretty small. any of you have met karen know that that will be a major focus of our administration. we have also talked about taking the 25 different federal and date programs to build economic opportunity and turning it into

a holistic package of tools and toolkits we can use to create the type of strategic initiatives that are going to bring jobs and opportunities to those communities. i got into that race saying it was built on geography, education, and resources was going to be a major priority. >> one more question. understandas tax, i you would not vote to cut the link between inflation and the gas tax. the issue is we need the money for infrastructure. while it is fine to say, let's make them vote every time, isn't it true it is very difficult to take -- get the legislature to take a clean vote on anything. is it really a good idea to cut the link to inflation, or are we asking the impossible?

>> i think that's not even the question. the question is it is a simple, commonplace way for most his newspaper. people look at the fact we haven't been able to support -- they agreeges this is a good way to do this. projects right here that are not going to get done if we don't do that investing, or they aren't going to get done soon enough if you look at what you have to do on , and if you have to look at fixing the bridge, you are not going to be able to do that. 640 kids are on a waiting list for early education. will invest in i that. my republican opponent will not. >> i know you have a universal pre-k question.

>> if the legislature wants to raise taxes they can vote to raise taxes. it can be held at the ballot box. that's the way democracy works. the idea the gas tax should go up every year because it is easy is not what government is about. it is not what representative >>ernment is all about. allison, you are next. >> i have a question, and this is about balance of power, were all but a small handful of elected officials are democrats. governor romney called it a gang of three. charlie baker called it everyone playing for the same team. doesn't this argument for more checks and balances in state government have some merit? what if it think if you really look at the facts about what is happening and what hasn't happened, i think the real issue is about transparency and accountability. one of the biggest scandals in

the treasury was under treasury malone. ics my record i am happy -- ics my record i am happy to stand up to anybody who breaks the law, whether democrats or republicans. i started a public integrity division. party who should be held accountable. i think it's about accountability and what your record is. i am proud to stand on mine. i will be a governor who will we have the right balance. all democrats decide? >> i wonder if she thinks she will stand up for all people who break the law, including the speaker of the house. let's talk about the health connector again. here you have probably the worst in the united states of

america associated with implementing the affordable care act. in every other state that had a botched rollout there were public hearings, public investigations, public debate, lessons learned, and consequences associated with what happened, except in massachusetts, which had the worst rollout of all. unaccountable even the boston globe, which is a big fan of the affordable care act in massachusetts health care reform law voted three weeks ago about what has happened is outrageous. we need people to come clean. >> why did you stand yesterday and say you would have him reappointed for the board? that doesn't make sense. ts, and theydependenc do have a responsibility. unless you are going to change the policy and get rid of the

enrollment, you're not going to solve that problem. >> the help all us see commission and connector have nothing to do with each other. the health connector is something you appoint people to and is fundamentally responsible for the website and the connection between the medicaid program and the affordable care act. the health policy commission is supposed to do analytics around things like mergers. they came out and opposed the merger of the hospital. they came against the merger with wakefield hospital, which you also supported. it's not the same. >> i understand that, and i know that. that's what makes the appointments important, but they notindependent. this is about democrat and republican. those are bad examples if you want to talk about balance. >> i disagree.

gears.e going to switch i have one question. we hear a lot about the communities. urbane talk about is communities sometimes feel during an election they can be used, that you will see candidates roll through, make mss -- promises, but don't deliver. about youeen made campaigning in communities of color. tot promises have you made bring jobs to those communities, and how can they hold you accountable if you are elected governor? >> one thing i said is i am going to chase 100% of the vote, and i meant it. i have spent time sitting in people's living rooms, sitting in church parlors, sitting in community centers talking about what their

issues and concerns are and working on an agenda to respond to those concerns. agenda, which we proposed three weeks ago is going to be the way those folks will be able to hold me accountable. i was proud to stand at our arece with 50 people who leaders in those communities supporting our initiative and saying, this is the sort of thing big government should be doing and haven't been doing. we support it. >> what can you see that they have done? >> there are several initiatives. one is charter schools. i appreciate the attorney general has come around. it was a shame that the house passed the expansion to serve senateties, and the

blocked it at the end of the legislative session. that was a huge setback. i have certainly spent time not just as a candidate but as attorney general and district attorney before that understanding what impact people don't have a voice to get those answers. -- particularly you talk about early education. those are ways you start to level the playing field, by giving people a fair shot of getting an education and being able to go to a tech school. visited the one here because it does such a good job of getting kids prepared for and i know the opportunities for women particularly to make 77% of the

dollar, but women are making less than that. this is about fairness of the quality. this is about all people giving them a fair shot and to participate in this wonderful economy. >> if you go to our website you can find our urban agenda. it is there for everybody to read. we have one. we have worked hard to develop it as we believe it. >> time for some rapidfire questions. the answer is simply yes or no. >> charlie likes yes or no questions. >> have you ever smoked marijuana? >> no. >> charlie? >> yes. think. my mother and father aren't listening to this. >> do you think the sale of marijuana should be legal nationwide?

>> i think we are dealing -- >> yes or no. >> no. >> no. >> the you support casino gambling in massachusetts? yes or no. problem withe these questions. it should not be repealed. >> i am going to vote against it. >> will you -- should illegal immigrants get driver's licenses? >> i don't know yet. >> yes or no. >> i am not going to answer a question. >> you have to. >> no. >> martha, should illegal immigrants get in-state tuition?

>> yes. >> i support the governors executive order. >> is there a place for martha coke in the administration? >> no. coakley -- in the administration? >> sure. >> one more final question. if you lose this race, are you politicalng for office? >> yes. >> if i lose, yes. my wife would never let me run for anything else. >> let's get ready for closing. i believe charlie baker gets the closing. me think the viewers for tuning in. let me bank this great office

for your wonderful participation. martha, let me thank you as well. i just want to start by asking mayor of to keep the boston and his wife's and their prayers. your life has a funny way of throwing you the worst, and after all the years he spent serving i was hoping he was going to have the kind of retirement he deserves. let me say a couple things. first, i got in this race because i wanted to make government work better. i want to make it better for the people who pay the bills and the people who depend on it for services and expected to perform. i am proud to say so far i have gotten the endorsement of every massachusetts, primarily because they believe i have the right agenda, the right skill set, and the right focus to get things done and to bring the kind of excellence and

performance to beacon hill that has been missing. i hope you will consider voting for me on november 4. >> martha? >> thank you for the terrific audience. i am asking for your vote on november 4. i know you have heard about my brother and what my family went through with mental illness and his ability -- inability to get help for that. there are too many people who don't get that help. we don't provide good mental health and behavioral health four. there are too many people addicted who need extra beds. i will do that as governor. i also know that when we invest in our kids and when we see kids in a good vocational technical school, we need computer science. i want you to hear about these kids who, when they were learning coding, they taught me how to get the angry birds to

eat each other after an hour. these kids were so excited about what they were learning. they said to me about their teacher, mr. marx teaches us how to walk and relearn how to fly. i thought, that's what we want for all of our kids in massachusetts. when we do that to my when we invest in our kids, we will be prosperous and fair. do that, when we invest in our kids, we will be prosperous and fair. >> we would like to thank our partners, the hanover theatre for the performing arts. let's give them a round of applause. and theof commerce gazette. we would also like to thank allison king and the gazette. we would like to think our candidates. we appreciate your time this evening. thank you so much. thanks to our audience.

have a great night. >> at c-span.org you can see debates and ads for races around the country. look at the ads running in the massachusetts for governors race. years ago wall street gambled with our money and destroyed so many lives. that happen let again. but that's what's at stake in this election. charlie baker is offering the typical republican plan. tax cuts for corporations, not much for the rest of us. a different view. we need an economy where everyone gets a fair shot. early childhood education, equal pay for women, earned sick time. club wants charlie baker. i want to be a governor for you.

independentsand across the state are supporting charlie baker for governor. democrat, i'mlong voting for charlie baker. >> big time. >> that's pause baker delivers. >> charlie baker. >> creating jobs, balancing government.ing >> he's pro-choice. >> in bill weld's cabinet baker and madee off welfare massachusetts first in jobs. charlie baker will lead massachusetts in a new direction. >> charlie baker. >> i'm voting for charlie baker. powerfulbeen a advocate for women and kids and one of the toughest opponents wall street and the big banks ever seen. now martha coakley is running for governor with a plan to an economy that works for everyone, a cradle to career education plan. people get the skills they need to succeed. investments in roads, bridges transit, and creating regional economies so that every area of the state can thrive. martha coakley, she's not the insider's choice.

ours. >> governor, dad, that's a bit optimistic. weld weot, with bill made massachusetts number one in job creation. pilgrimaved harvard from bankruptcy. you're totally pro-choice and bipartisan. >> bipartisan leadership is what we need on beacon hill. can make massachusetts great and create jobs. by controlling spending, taxes, and requiring work for welfare. >> more jobs, pretty confident, dad? >> no problem, i've done it before. >> c-span's campaign 2014 is bringing you more than 100 for the control of congress. stay in touch with our coverage atfollowing us on twitter, on facebook.ike us the georgia senate debate. between democrat michelle nunn, perdue, andavid third party candidate amanda

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the race for united states senate. >> we would like to welcome you to thisstudio audience series. this is the debate between the seven. let'sr u.s. beat the candidates. ceo ofe the former dollar general and reebok. amanda swafford is an attorney and former councilwoman. let's meet our panelists. the statehouse correspondent for the social is -- for the associated press. and danielards malloy is the washington, d.c., correspondent for the atlanta journal-constitution. this debate will consist of three rounds. for more on the rules visit

pressclub.org. daniel malloy you get the first question for mr. purdue. >> two of the biggest drivers are medicare and social security. what would you do about these programs if elected? would you raise the retirement age, or should we get the private sector more involved? >> it is why i get involved. this is unconscionable. debt.e almost doubled the in the last two years we will do that. those unemployment liabilities combined with our current debt is over $1 million per household. a long timeto take to solve this. the other thing is the interest on this debt. we have to do a couple things with social security and medicare.

alreadyto protect those drawing benefits. we then have to look to the beginnings of those programs where people are entering the workforce and how the formula that will sustain itself over their lifetime will work so that they get in the point when they need those benefits they will be able to work themselves. >> thank you. >> your turn to ask a question of amanda swafford. >> you are arguably the most important person in this race right now. a lot of people have focused on david perdue and michelle nunn, but if the race is as close as it is and will likely go to a runoff, what would you tell undecided voters about how to evaluating david perdue and michelle nunn? you run to win, but if there is a runoff, what do you tell voters about how to evaluate the two? >> i am going to be looking at the candidates during the runoff and at their prospective

hearties, and i am going to be looking at their private sector theyience and the things have done while serving in the private sector and looking at those concerns during the runoff. faxed to listen to your answer it sounds like you think there is definitely going to be a runoff. >> i believe that is what polling is telling us. i remain optimistic georgia will take a stance to understand the power and responsibility to change the way we have been doing government lies in their hand. >> your time to ask a question. >> you played an integral role in the merger that resulted in at least 90 people losing their jobs, saying in an interview the losses were necessary to have the strength and successes of today. one of your major attacks has been loss of jobs.

what obligation does corporate america have to its workers? ask a queue. >> thank you. mrs. grey to be here. i believe we have a responsibility to try to be the steward of the organizations we run. every organization i have run i have made stronger than when i took over. you try to be the best steward of that organization and the employees who work there. i was fortunate enough to be at the helm of points of light, and we were able to ensure we the largest was now volunteer organization dedicated to service in the world, and i am very proud of that record. i compare it to david perdue's record. he spent the majority of his career outsourcing jobs.

i question whether that is the criteria we want in a person he was for senate. when the head of dollar general there were 2000 women not paid equitably. >> you have 30 seconds. is a desperate attempt to distract people away from the truth. atm proud of my record dollar general. we created tens of thousands of jobs. we created 2500 stores. i work very hard to help people from payday to payday. this government is still causing us to lose jobs. that is why i want to go to the senate. i want to be a champion for jobs, not a rubber stamp for barack obama. >> that seemed to be directed at you. would you like a triad that? that has been said over and over

again in ads that you would he a rubber stamp for president obama. >> i don't believe that is the first time you will hear that or the last time. this is moving from the actual shipping jobs overseas, so when i think about a realase i think about contrast we have, and it is between someone who spent their life right here in georgia building communities and someone who has spent the majority of their career outsourcing jobs. >> i will give you one last chance. >> these are not based on facts. i have created and saved tens of thousands of jobs. a lot of people who have their jobs are having trouble finding

the jobs. to get that government policies out of the way. releasedt the energy to get this economy going. >> that concludes the first round. the candidates will have an opportunity to ask questions to both opponents. each will have 60 seconds to respond and 30 seconds for a rebuttal if necessary. you go first. your question to michelle nunn. >> last week the democratic hearty -- party release fires that highlighted the ferguson encouraged black individuals to go out and vote, and you said, we needed to have a conversation about that. i would like to know whether you support or condone the use of those flyers to encourage blacks to go out and vote in this race. >> i said we do need a conversation. ferguson, ict upon

think about it from the mother's perspective. michael brown, someone who is just a few days away from going to college, and you think about what is our responsibility as a democracy to make sure all of our young people are cultivated and supported and treated equally under the law, so i think it merits a conversation. gives anink it opportunity to talk about the kind of society we want, where everybody has a voice, where everybody lifts up that voice and makes it known in the voting booth. i think it is important that we and inspireage, people. i have spent a good deal of the last months trying to figure out how we make sure their vote matters. >> your question for david her do? >> can i get a rebuttal?

sure that answers my question. >> yes, and then we will move on. >> i am not sure whether you are supporting or opposing? are you supporting or disapproving the use of those flyers to encourage black individuals to vote for the democratic candidate? >> i am focused on getting as many people out as possible to vote. i spent time with john lewis. fact we wantut the to make sure we are urging everyone to use this right that is so precious and we need to be responsible to those who have come before us and we need to recognize all of us have an opportunity to make a difference through our vote. >> we will leave it there. your question to david perdue. >> my question deals with the first amendment right and the internet and citizen journalism. we have diane find than looking andegulate internet loggers

license them. we had a situation where we had an individual blogger who was removed from that political event, and we haven't really heard anything from you in terms of how you handled that situation. if we send you to washington as a senator, how are you going to handle first amendment issues as it relates to citizen -- nalists >> that's it for the question. we have such great rights and privileges in this country. the first amendment, the second amendment, but the bill of rights, the constitution. i am absolutely going to stand up for our constitution. i believe the president is a bashing it. i believe the first amendment is under threat. you saw the democrats planning to pass a law about that a few weeks ago. in my opinion are great

liberties are in jeopardy. if you look at what the republican party stands for, i think american economic opportunity, limited government, individual liberty. to values i got i will take washington to defend those values and fight for our first amendment. >> you have 30 seconds to rebut. you have 30 seconds to respond. >> in terms of our first amendment, the fcc is trying to standte. are you going to up to the first amendment in a more substantial way then we saw you stand up to them in north georgia? hewe're going to stop it. gets one question. it is your chance to ask a

uestion. >> michelle, glad to be with you again. president obama said he is not on the ballot but his policies are. as you support obama care, amnesty, and economic policies that have failed and actually generated more people out of work in any time since jimmy carter was president, is in a vote for you just like a vote for barack obama? ask i was with a farmer and he said, you need to tell david or do if he wanted to run against harry reid he should have moved to nevada. against the to run president, he should have run for president. i have said there are lots of things i agree with the president on and lots of things i disagree on. that me tell you a few of those

things. i believe it should have moved forward with the keystone pipeline. i believe his administration has to ourresponsible cuts military. i believe the president should have done more to address our long-term debt. i think we should move forward with minimum wage and bipartisan immigration reform. i do not agree with the president as some sort of rubberstamp. i have said clearly i'm going to be an independent voice for georgia, and we will work with whoever the president is to do what is best for georgia. >> it is interesting. that is not what the president was saying. he was on the radio saying he to geteople of georgia you elected so he could continue his good works. it seems if you want to help the military you would stand up for our veterans instead of saying he would defer to the president after the failure of the

veterans administration. to talk about farmers after you rated it number 18 is hypocrisy. >> you have a chance to ask a question. >> led to be here with you. big government policies are decimating entire industries. obama care is keep thirds of small businesses from hiring people. do you agree more governmental less opportunity? >> the more government we have the less opportunity we have for individuals to engage and enter into our free market enterprise system. the less opportunity we have for individuals to become engaged, the less opportunity we have for everyone to get involved in, so absolutely big government is not the solution. governmentd in local

voting against big government solutions. i have a record of doing that. i don't want to rearrange big government. think bige, i don't government works. everything big government tries to do, it never does well at all. that is all we have gotten out of the leadership that congress. they never give us anything that gives back more of our freedoms we deserve in this country. that is the right of the federal government, to give the rights we deserve. >> you have 30 seconds to rebut. >> big government is stifling entrepreneurism and growth. regardless of your party, if you believe in economic opportunity, individual liberty, economic freedom, and limited government, i hope you will stand with me and help us take our country back. >> your turn to ask a question. >> in 1992, he moved to asia to

head up operations. you said you built it from the ground up. shortly after 500 people lost their jobs. you said people who question the outsourcing career you have don't understand business. could you tell us and the people just at their jobs little more about business? >> first of all, here we go again. misstating the facts. i went to asia to open asia to all of the divisions to help sell products over there. it was a global organization in most countries. there was no connection to any jobs. that was an entirely different division. it had nothing to do with what we were doing. my opponent knows that, but here is the problem. this is a distraction. this is what is wrong with

politics. we get this every time we have a race. here is the truth. this president's failed policies are hurting men and women in georgia, and you know that. you haven't said one thing you would do to create jobs. let me ask you a question. do you own an iphone? do you outsource jobs? computer? an apple do you outsource jobs? i went to be a champion for the working people of this state. to respond.s >> the facts are very clear. they are in a deposition under oath that you said you spent the majority of your career outsourcing. there were 16 different countries listed when you created jobs, india, pakistan, china, and whether it is sara lee -- you have a pattern here of outsourcing jobs. i think that is a question of you run on a business career,

some people deserve to know what that involves. i haven't eight point plan around job creation, and i am the only one who does. >> let me just say this. we created almost 20,000 jobs in about four years, yet we outsourced every single product we sold in our stores, almost all in the united states. i am proud that we helped our customers get from payday to payday and provided great opportunities to provide for families every day. >> let's move on. because into this race i believe we need to change and fight the gridlock and dysfunction in washington. ofave talked about a variety ways of doing that, including mandating congresspeople don't get paid unless they pass an annual budget or that congressmen are precluded from going on to become lobbyists.

can you share some of your ideas for what we need to do to fight gridlock in washington? >> one thing we can start doing is fighting individuals and not into the party system. another important thing we can do is understanding government is not always the answer to the problems we have, and it's to become more self-reliant and to get back to what can we do through the private sector as individuals and not always looking to government to solve every problem we have. i think that is a paramount difference we need to get back to and bring back more of the responsibility individuals have had for so long. the is the original part founding fathers always believed in the individual. >> you have 30 seconds to respond. >> i believe the way we fought gridlock is to believe there can

be good ideas on both sides of the aisle. david has talked about the fact he actually said he was bored by my bipartisan conversation, and he said he couldn't think of a single democratic idea he could work together on, and i think ultimately we have someone here who has said he wants to perpetuate the gridlock that already exist. >> what do you have to say? >> hypocrisy abounds. the source of gridlock is not republicans in congress. it is harry reid. there are 300 bills waiting for his approval. when i look at the direction of this country i am very concerned because political doubles big doesn't create one single job. it doesn't answer one question the people are asking, and that is when are we going to get government working again.

>> i will give you a shot at that. >> i believe until you send people -- republicans who are going to work together, or democrats, that we are going to have the continued gridlock. i don't believe it's one party or the other. i believe it has to be both sides coming together. i believe we have a contrast. i don't take it is about prosecutors the other party. i think it is about problem solving. >> i disagree. when you have a failed presidency you have to prosecute it because we deserve better than we are getting right now. when we look at the direction of this country we have to make a right-hand turn. the direction of this country is turning. i want something that will get our people working again and secure national security around the world and have consistent foreign policy. i will work with anyone who will

help me do that. >> if you are just joining us, this is the debate between the candidates for u.s. senate. i am going to ask a question submitted by the public and turn for thee panelists question. our first constituent question comes from kathleen martin. she is a great-grandmother from covington, and she would like to know, can they say something good about their opponent. you start. >> amanda, i am grateful for your courage and joining the race and for standing by your ideals and values, and i have a lot of admiration for that. i know you are doing that while continuing to work and how much hard work that is. david also for your commitment to public service. i think we all owe a debt of gratitude to those willing to be in the arena. ofalso share a variety

different family relationships. i know you are as proud of your family as i am of mine, and someone recently told me something i didn't know about you, which is that you have a very good golf game. >> her dad is flying again. again.g amanda, i respect you so much. standing up for liberty and the individual. i respect that, and we need more of that in america. i think both parties have to pay attention to that right now. eyes -- i respect you are working while you are trying to do that. this is a hard game. michelle, i respect you are a working mother. you have a great family anybody would pray for. i love your heart. i love your brain. i love your family. we just disagree on the policies, that i like what you have done in your career, and i respect you for that. >> you have a wonderful team working for you. a very solid team, and

i respect a lot of the individuals working for you. you have organized a great team. nunn, it is wonderful to share the state with a woman running for senate. it's great to share the stage as one of only three women ever state of in the georgia. >> charles edwards, your turn to ask a question. but my question is for mr. perdue and for ms. nunn. time on a lot of outsourcing and jobs and the economy. if i am at home watching this don't have a job, what realistically, given the next soate term can be done businesses can do what they need to do to thrive and people can

get jobs so the unemployment rate goes down? what should be done? the seminalhat is question of this election. along, longall before she had an opponent last year, we were talking about how to get the economy going. do,e are many things we can but there are three priorities. you have to cut spending, and you have to solve the tax problem. we are the only country with a repatriation tax. it is not a partisan issue. i really believe we have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. the second thing is we are overregulated and overtaxed. if we pull back these regulators small businesses will take off. we have to unlock our energy

resources to fulfill our mission to provide a better life for our kids and grandkids. >> we actually-- agree on some of those things. i think we need to make sure we are alleviating regulatory burden on small businesses. i think we need to make sure we are reforming our tax code. righttion and investment you're at home. i think we need to continue to invest in infrastructure, which we know is an important part of economic development. i also think we need to raise the minimum wage. are looking at what we can do in congress to make sure everybody working has the capacity to be self-sufficient. i think this is a place where we disagree. i asked whether or not he believes we should raise

>> mr. perdue, go ahead. >> a perfect example of what happens when someone who has not been in business answering questions about how you feel jobs. she went right away to the minimum wage. it comes around every four years. right now, i want her to answer the question, if you raise the minimum wage 40%, which person would you tell is going to lose a job? that's the last think we need to do when we are trying to get the economy going. >> we disagree with the economics and it does not mean i do not understand business. you tell the people of georgia that if they do not understand business, but we do. i understand what it means to raise the minimum wage. in states where they're raised the minimum wage, they have greater growth. as you has right now,

know, the highest unemployment rate in the nation. or two, thosehing of us who disagree, about business. >> christina cassidy, your turn. >> on the topic of the corporate tax rate, you have both said a lower tax rate is needed to make companies more competitive with the rest of the world and mrs. swafford you called to eliminate it and it would result in less revenue. what would you cut in order to make a lower corporate tax rate possible? for all of you. >> you go first. >> for all of the candidates. cut to makewould i the corporate income tax down to zero work? i do not think we actually have to -- to make that corporate income tax work, that is part of the fair tax which is a program

that has a lot of widespread support and a lot of research behind it. it is a program that shifts the taxation down to a consumption-based tax. with that, it eliminates the corporate income tax. tax of national sales sorts and that's a strong program i have been involved for a very long time, working to go in that direction. i believe certainly we can go even stronger with that and do away with all federal income taxes and give back to a system that our founding fathers ofisioned to have the states the tax system so that taxes are apportioned based on population according to the state. in repealing the 17th amendment and getting back to more representation for taxation. >> it is a great question. it is one of the ways we have

gridlock in washington and every time we talk about reducing or increasing taxes, one side once spending cuts. and i a unilateral debate do not think it is the real one. the corporate tax rate creates an unlevel playing field for the rest of the world as does the root appreciation -- repatriation tax. ,f you change the refrigeration it will go back into the economy and create jobs. if you take it to zero or a nominal number, there are states that say because of the economic growth, it offsets is self. we generate 21 days of expenditures. i really believe that economic growth is the way out of the problem to create a level playing field around the world to create more jobs at home. >> mrs. nunn? wouldgree by cutting we

create economic growth and opportunity and our own country and it is the right thing to do. i think it is an example of where democrats and republicans could work together. i differ about the fair tax. it would mean 30% plus tax on things like your groceries, milk , everything. it will mean more than 50% of georgians would end up paying $4000 more in taxes. people enter the very top, the top 1%, would be paying less. estimated.ss -- we need mutual reform. is notcalled fair tax fair to the majority of georgians. >> daniel, your turn. >> one of the first decision you have to make is who will be your party's leader. would you vote for harry reid? would you vote for mitch mcconnell?

and when you vote for? democratd vote for the that would get things done and in the best interest of georgia. i really do believe that we needed to hold leadership accountable and washington has been dysfunctional and the leadership there needs to continue to change if we are going to get something done. nothing willt really get done and the senate until we have people on both sides working together. neither party is going to approach a 60 votes no matter who controls the senate, whether mitch mcconnell or harry reid. until we have a center in the senate and enough people that say they are going to work with the spirit of moderation, pragmatism, common sense and for the georgia first above party, we'll continue to have the same gridlock we have today. >> mr. perdue? resolved insame we

two thousand eight at 2012 by president obama when he said i will bring all of you together and i will work with the other party in a bipartisan way and cut the debt in half. he has not done anything on all of those. my point is the democrats are blaming republicans in the house and they talking about bringing civility to washington. not one democratic wooded accounts obamas -- voted against obamacare. over 300 bills on his desk and he will not let them go to debate. it is a single source of gridlock in washington. why is he doing it? it allows the president to run this country without congress with executive orders. the best example is the epa. the epa is killing jobs and needs to be pulled back. >> i am now voting for any of the existing leadership a cause they're all doing a dismal job. absolutely