resolved in two thousand eight at 2012 by president obama when he said i will bring all of you together and i will work with the other party in a bipartisan way and cut the debt in half. he has not done anything on all of those. my point is the democrats are blaming republicans in the house and they talking about bringing civility to washington. not one democratic wooded accounts obamas -- voted against obamacare. over 300 bills on his desk and he will not let them go to debate. it is a single source of gridlock in washington. why is he doing it? it allows the president to run this country without congress with executive orders. the best example is the epa. the epa is killing jobs and needs to be pulled back. >> i am now voting for any of the existing leadership a cause they're all doing a dismal job. absolutely dismal.

i am not hanging out and visiting with any of the leadership in congress. i have not talked to any of them and i am not friends of any of them. i am not supporting any of them right now. i will be supporting or not voting for any of them. a lot can happen between now and when the senate begins in session. we have to see quiz going to be controlling the senate. it really makes no difference. all we know is that both parties have trolled us for decades. ultimately, that is what your vote comes down to. -- both parties have controlled us for decades. do you want to turn to big cover met every time there's a crisis that big government every time want is a crisis -- do you to turn to big government every time there's a crisis or should it lay with you, the individual? the solicited input from

public and all i heard it how disappointed people is with the tone and content of the advertising. if you look at yours, mr. sheuce -- mr. perdue's, cannot wait to rubberstamp for president obama. people wonder if you are disappointed and maybe a little embarrassed by the half-truths part of this process? >> absolutely. i have been a business guy all of my life and it is a terrible process. i do not think it generates the best outcome. big money, the drive to get reelected is one of the problems in washington. i have fought over the past year to bring term limits to the discussion and i am dedicated to do that. if i go to washington, i will fight for term limits. i believe we have a broken system. people are very disappointed with the divisive and just

divisive and -- arrogant nature of some of these ads. it is now moving to the dialogue of how do we move forward. real, hardng solutions like creating jobs and ouring our economy, cutting expenses. we have $480 billion that we need to get after and cut. the process is a lousy process. suggestionly had a to change the process. theallenged david to keep outside money from georgia. let's do something different. within a few hours, you said no, we are not going to do that. millions and millions of dollars coming in for negative advertising. i said we need campaign reform especially groups clement in and spend millions of dollars without us knowing who they are. i do want to point out that to

the winner of the most egregious ad of the campaign, not just in georgia but in the entire united states of america has been given to you, david, for saying president george h w but -- bush's group gave money to a terrorist group. in the actual hall of fame of pants on fire. >> this is what people have seen at home. she is correct in the sense that people who have judge in this is not part of the campaign said it was misleading and what was in her campaign memo is presented in the advertisement. >> it is right in the memo. it was in the memo. here's the other part of what you are not getting straight. michael bloomberg put $350,000 fight againstto

our second amendment rights. you have millions of dollars given to you outside liberal parties who want to come and steal the selection. the i look at the race, outcome is too important for our country and direction for us to bigger about ad -- bicker about ads. i want to talk about how to get our veterans treated right. and whether president who is leading us from the front with the direction that we all believe in. congress is totally dysfunctional and i agree. i think i can make a difference. with only 10 people without -- with this experience, i can add to the dialogue about creating jobs. who do you want, somebody was been there and done it as someone who talks about it theoretically? bedavid, your expense would

unique. you would be the only person who said they spent the majority of their career outsourcing jobs. running no excuse for an ad that has been called shameful and despicable. no matter what the rationale is, you really cannot justify that. let's talk about veterans and farmers. i have spent much of my career supporting veterans and a good part of this campaign talk about farmers. you're missed represent that your misrepresentation -- your misrepresentation, i have a set of issues that talk about farmers and veterans. there is nowhere on your website where you address farmers or veterans. let's do have a dialogue, but be clear about who has won the hall negativity.n chance to have a

respond. charles, you can ask a question. >> i wanted to piggyback and. and howd about pacs people -- ads and how people are frustrated. david perdue, you said we should not focus on the ads. went out about it how you do michelle nunn is a rubber stamp and that is something you talked about in the debate. in her answer, she talked about things she agrees with the president on and disagrees with the president. i want to see how you can continue to call her a rubber stamp if she tells you about both things. daniel asked you about would you support harry reid and you talked about what you want to leadera senate majority or someone leading the democrats and it is good to hear you talk about the characteristics. right now, it is harry reid and that is who people see in terms of agenda. do you see harry reid asked

someone who has the characteristics and so what you would vote for? >> thank you, charles. barack obama hand-picked michelle and he recruited her and he has funded her. do you think she will bite the hand that feeds her? she raised millions through his network and brought advisers a he hired one for political r for ebola. the cza obama inad michelle town and a hillary and bill clinton has been in town. it seems to me that we need an outsider to affect change. we keep talking about gridlock but we do not look at the cause, it is harry reid blocking the bills that allows the president to do it measurable damage to our economy. and in the next two years, who knows how many federal judges will be nominated. i think the people of georgia

leads to be serious about naming the next u.s. senator from all of those perspectives. >> can you give us a yes or no about harry reid? >> cannot answer this? -- can i answer this? no one has been feeding me by hand. i have spent maybe 45 minutes of my league -- life with president obama. bush's point of light program. and i spent time with my father as an advisor who understands bipartisanship and working together across party lines is part of getting something done. again, the accusations of rubberstamp are just completely distortion. happy to go to the question. so, you all know that we cast your vote in the senate, you have to figure out who actually is going to be represented. right now, i think there are

real reasons to say to have reread and mitch mcconnell that we needed to do something different. reason to say to harry reid and mitch mcconnell that we need to do something different and i would say that. i have told harry reid no stop when i started the race, harry reid asked me not to run. i said it was all due respect, i will make the decision along with the people of georgia. i know how to say no to senator reed and will work together with those when possible. that contract to david who said he was not a vote for mitch mcconnell what he went right up there when he got the nomination and said he would be a team player for senator mcconnell and the republican party. i will be a team player for georgia. >> i want to go back to one thing that is a misquote and i want to get the record cleared

up. in that deposition, if you go nevert, michelle am a it said i outsourced jobs. not one time. it never said i outsourced jobs. that is what we got from obama in 2008 and 2012. i want to clean it out. >> the distinction is you are not moving jobs out -- but sourcing overseas? >> into the dollar general, printed 20,000 jobs in 40 years -- we created 20,000 jobs in 4 years. par of the conversation that i outsourced jobs and they know it is not right. the second thing is where george w. bush, he is the endorser and he endorsed us acted after her to take his image down and stop using his name. she does not do this. is it not a little

unfair that most corporations outsourced including the one that you chose to criticize him and one of your at? -- ads? have is clear, david, you spent a career and you have lived in eight different countries and europe lived in 16 different countries were ukraine did jobs. countries and you have lived in 16 different countries aware ukraine did jobs. i do not think it is the criteria that people are looking for when they are electing their senator to washington. >> mr. perdue just a moment ago product former new york city manager -- mayor, michael bloomberg, who has given. do you support his efforts at would you support senator

feinstein's version of assault weapons ban? >> i've talked about this. i believe that every law-abiding citizen should have access to guns and i have parents and grandparents and now a son who are hunters and gun owners. but i do believe in comments is measures put forward by folks like senator manchin and bipartisan legislation that would put forward a universal thatround check to ensure criminals, terrorists, and those mentally unstable do not have access to guns. i jim nussle port any other form of legislation around guns right now. any othert support form a legislation around guns right now. >> the notion that you want to get rid of the department of education, do you? >> my mother gets a laugh out of stock she is a -- get a laugh

out of it. she's a retired teacher. my first jobs was in a head start program. the problem is we have had is what was billions of dollars and the results have gotten much worse. one out of three kids are not getting out of high school and our 14 euros are in that 14 year olds are in the middle of math and science. our system is not serving our children. it is gaining in the way of our good teachers. for educationion made at the local level between andparent, the teacher, local administration. my mother has talked to me since i was six years old that the best -- >> get rid of the department? get rid ofver said the department. you would look at the results and say we are not getting results of the expenditures.

and i would look that said, what are we not getting in terms a result and where with the money be better spent? cr giving people choice and control over children's education. polls are suggested that women are heading in mrs. nunn's direction. there is an advertisement where a dollar general manager said she was not treated fairly because she was a woman. talk to those women, mr. perdue. i will say the same thing i said then, it is a tragedy of national proportion and it was cratered by our government. it is a tragedy. those are the best workers i have ever worked with. because of bad government policy, and tired industries --

entire industries have been decimated by bees that government policies. that is what i've been trying to bring. is to getthe way out our economy growing again. it seems to me if you look at dollar general, there was no wrongdoing. was lawsuit or complaint settled five years after i was there and she knew that. we had upwards of 70,000 employees. ask her about her to complaints -- 2 complaints and she will not disclose to the public. all of mine is public issue when i disclose. >> you said women cannot trust david perdue, is that how you feel? >> i want her to answer my question. >> we can do both. inse women that are featured the ads our employees that work for you and they are telling their own experience in their

own words. that actually seems quite a lot to me who say that they were discriminated against and federal investigators, public knowledge, found it was true. it was during your tenure and settled afterwards but the suit was during your tenure. that is very, very clear. i am happy to talk about you trying to create an equivalency. there has never been and you know, there's never been any eeoc findings about any organization i have ever run. it is very different from your record. at dollar general and looking at pillowtex, you said it was governmental policies and that was during george w. bush's presidency. are you saying he was responsible for your presided over pillowtex? >> i need a response on that. >> we have time for one last

question. case, why whathe she disclose the details of those complaints? >> there is nothing to disclose as i said. the eoc and federal investigators found nothing ever with points of light and you know that and you put in a public information request. >> it is not public. public.ils are not it is the second time you tell voters it is public and it is not. >> it can be accessed publicly if there were any findings and he know there were is not. theou are not telling us details of those complaints. those two people deserve to have it is. >> trying to create equivalency here is really a stretch. >> we will leave her right there. that is all of the time we have will have four questions.

will -- and that all the time we have four questions. >> thank you very much for brave for moderating and panelists' questions as he atlanta press club for this great service you provided and amanda and david, thank you to be together to look forward to one more time. i got into this race to continue what i have tried to do for 26 years, to make a difference in peoples lives by working together and solving problems. needieve that is what we more in washington. a collaborative spirit looking for common ground and bipartisanship. i think we can raise the minimum wage for individuals and families and create an affordable pathway to college for students and tackle our long term debt if we work together. i bring a spirit of service to all georgians and i hope you will join with me to live out mottoorgia state morro --

-- wisdom and justice and moderation. campaign, i have traveled all over our great state talking to hard-working georgians and listen to their concerns. one message is very clear -- washington is broken and it is affecting your lives and your families' lives. i believe our country is headed in the wrong direction and we have to turn around. enough with the dysfunction and lack of accountability. i am tired of going for what price to another and a lack of leadership. i want to be your voice in the senate to get washington working. president obama once michelle nunn to fight for her. i want to go to the senate to fight for you. i am asking for your vote and trust to be your next united states senator.

thank you. >> amanda swafford. every bodyu to taking the opportunity and time to listen to these debates. i know politics is not the most enjoyable thing to listen to, but it is so important to get involved and be engaged. i've been called selfish for being in this race. personalng responsibility. i could be doing different things instead of going across the street -- in state and change the true liberty ideals. it is so important that we stay engaged in this rates a really look to individuals and the power and responsibility but cause that's where it lies. if you are not connected to the right people, if your industry does not have the right lobbyists, you're at a disadvantage. that's what i am standing up for. i am standing up for you being able to make your own decisions.

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kentucky. thanks for joining us this morning on the race looking at the race between incumbent pat roberts and the independent greg orman. where do things stand eight days out? >> it's still obviously a very, very close race out here. the latest polls that we're looking at here suggest that orman might have a lead of a point or two but obviously that is within the margin of error in these polls out here. but a very, very tight race here. there's no question about it. >> last week the pat roberts campaign bringing in the big guns, mitt romney. who else has come in to campaign for the senator? >> at this point, bill, about half the u.s. senate has been out here to campaign for pat roberts. he has had john mccain here, rand paul, ted cruz, just one

senator after another. tom coburn from oklahoma has been here for him. today as you just mentioned mitt romney will be in town here in kansas city area suburb just on the kansas side. and i think it will draw a pretty good crowd. mitt romney still obviously a big name in american politics and that's why senator roberts is bringing him out here. so it will be fun to see what happens. >> what's the get out the vote effort been like for the roberts campaign and the orman campaign? he's an independent so does -- who does he rely on? the democratic party is not there for him necessarily to do the get out the vote campaign. >> that's one of the big questions that surrounds this campaign as we head down towards election date. who does greg orman count on? he doesn't have very much of a get out the vote effort at least in the traditional sense that we judge these things now in american politics. as you point out he is an

independent. the democrats are reluctant to help him on that front. they don't want to be caught helping greg orman and further tie orman to the democratic party. that's been one of the main arguments throughout the campaign from the roberts side which is that orman is a liberal democrat. he is a democrat who has been hiding behind the cloak of being an independent candidate. so they really want to avoid that kind of association. so orman is, from what we can tell anyway, is pretty much on his own when it comes to getting the vote out. and you wonder how that will affect him. roberts will have the advantage of having a long established republican machine behind him, very well known for its get out the vote apparatus that helped sam brownback so much four years ago, very much should help him again this time around. so roberts will be able to bank

on that kind of support. orman doesn't have that kind of machine behind him and you wonder how that's going to affect the final vote. >> you not only have an election eight days away but you have a world series and coming back to kansas city. is there any interference? is that a distraction in terms of things like getting air time for tv spots, political adds and things like that? >> if you watch the world series out here you're seeing lots of ads for orman, lots of ads for roberts. i don't think there's been any impact there at all. we have noticed though some research that has been done that suggests that if you have a successful home team in any sport, that tends to favor incumbents going forward to election day. how big of a factor that is, i doubt, but there is research out there that suggests there is that kind of tie going into election day. >> we'll find out this week on one of those pieces of it

anyway. >> yes, you will. thanks for joining us this morning. >> thanks for having me. >> i appreciate the airing of these debates. it's given me insight. the other states and other districts. i really enjoy seeing the different viewpoints that come from different parts of the united states. it's a great thing to watch them. >> i watched the debate on c-span 2, paula bradshaw. that's what i want to hear politicians say is the things she said. i wish you would put that on regular c-span about 6:00 p.m. at night. please put that program on at

6:00, 7:00 at night over day until election day. > i just watched the ray hal /jenkins debate from west virginia and i am so tired of this campaign. am so sick of these politicians who cannot tell the truth. >> continue to let us know what you think about the programs you're watching. >> now, the second debate between minnesota democratic senator al franken and his republican challenger mike mcfadden. ♪

>> from minnesota's most-watched station, this is wcco-tv senate debate. >> good morning and thank you for joining us for a special sunday morning on wcco-tv. >> we are joined for a live senate debate between democratic senator al franken and challenger mike mcfadden. thank you for joining us. >> welcome. what you will see over the next hour will be different from a traditional debate. there is no audience and i will not be timed responses. pat and i will keep things moving so we could get to as much possible. >> we flipped the coin to determine who would field the

first question. mr. mcfadden, you one. we want to start with ebola. there is widespread anxiety in america about a possible outbreak of ebola and there are three states, which or enforcing mandatory core retains -- four teams -- quarantines. you want to go further and you would like to have a travel ban for was african countries because you say this is a dangerous situation, but medical experts around the world say it's not effective. >> what we have seen here is another example of lack of leadership in washington, ebola is a very serious disease. people are really concerned in this country and minnesota and as i am going around the state whatal, i do not know

you're hearing, people are really concerned. it, we are noto close to being prepared for it ebola outbreak in the united states. their only 4 state of the art centers. one in atlanta, why in nebraska and one in washington, d.c.. they can take 3-10 patients at a time. if a severe outbreak, where not ready to address. >> medical experts say a travel ban is not effective. >> i think it is common sense. we have a way to prevent people from coming to our country, so i called for a temporary travel ban of people traveling from west africa to the united states. >> and to support the mandatory quarantine for health care workers who have -- over the weekend, that had goes into and newn new york jersey. >> when you saw what happened in doctoral camea

and develop symptoms, it is scary. those poor nor since -- those poor nurses in dallas and they probably thought they were doing everything right and they contracted it. the cdc allows the nurse to get on a plane. >> let's go to senator franken. medical experts say job in is not effective. is it effective or not? insufficient it is to have a travel ban from the was african countries to the united states because it is a vast majority go through countries. there are very few flights directly. let me tell you what i have done. he said hefranken, wants a travel ban and you said it should be considered, but you

are concerned about getting aid workers in and out. do support or not and also what about the mandatory quarantine that has gone into effect in three states? >> let me tell you what i have been doing. it is a very small minority of flights that come from there. the vast majority come through third countries like europe or the middle east. i agree that the response in dallas was just unacceptable and my work, a lot of my work has to -- thatminnesota that is not going to happen. i have been in burglar content with the head of the hospital association and we have for hot foods now that are set up -- i have been in regular contact with the head of the hospital association and we have 4 hospital set up. >> what about the ban? it is very controversial?

>> we want to do the most rational, effective thing to keep people safe in minnesota. i talked to the governor and from thener -- minnesota department of health last night and i will be talking to the commissioner and he is having a meeting with expert today at 1:00 to talk about what the most effective way is. and whether that means a mandatory quarantine. >> we want to know where you stand on the travel ban? >> i have nothing against a travel ban from west africa. it is am saying is -- totally insufficient because what we need to do is be able to screen and i talked to the cbc and i pressed the cdc along with the governor, who makes

airport where in you screen and track people. all the people come in will be theyned and attract, so have to take her temperature twice a day. that is the distinction now between mandatory quarantine. other governors have decided not to do it. i will be talking to the governor and the commissioner later today about how that meeting went. we want to do this in the most effective way possible. >> mr. mcfadden, let's go back. we have a doctor in new york who was self testing and was taking his temperature by he was out of bowling and riding the subway. is he a hero or irresponsible dr.? about the cdc,s there are a lot of mistakes and that was made. the administration does not seem to have a hold. with doctorsctor

without borders and he is a hero. i listen to both of you asked frank and three times what his answer was and he did not answer. that's a problem with politics. people want straight talk. the reason people are so concerned about ebola is a ecac in washington -- if they see a theme in washington and there is no leadership whether isis or the economy. people are feeling less secure and less safe and i know that because i am talking to people. >> are you satisfied with president obama's handling that handling of the obama crisis? they apologized for what they did. focusnow, my number one is making sure that people in minnesota are safe and that is

why i have worked -- i've been in constant contact with both the commissioner, the governor. >> are you satisfied with president obama? >> no, and i do not think he is. >> that's it for this segment that will be back in a couple of minutes with questions about the affordable care act. ♪ >> welcome back to the senate debate. the affordable care act which is known as obamacare is now in place and a year old. americans are still navigating what it is and what it means. >> we want to start with senator franken, president obama said repeatedly if you like your doctor, you can keep him or her and if you like your policy, you can keep it.

would you call it the lie of the year in 2012? have you been lying to the peak will of minnesota -- to the people of minnesota? >> i have not. i did not say those things. the president was engaged in wishful thinking. let's talk about what the affordable care act has done in minnesota. theave reduced by 40% number of uninsured. 95% of minnesotans are in short him of the country. minnesotans, second in the country. mr. mcfadden wants to repeal the affordable care act, he has ronald that the whole time. he wants to repeal it. we have to fix the things that are wrong with it, but built of the things that are right. if you repeal, we would go back

to square one and you would have people with pre-existing conditions being able to get coverage without paying a penalty. women would have to pay more for their health care just because they are a woman. people who have gone through their lifetime cap or annual cap would be thrown off their health care again. kate, a mom, whose daughter has cystic fibrosis said her daughter is alive because they got rid of the cats. >> your mate is a big part of your campaign. -- you have made a big part of your campaign. you said you want to keep pre-existing conditions and keep 26-year-old on their parents' policies and no lifetime limits. you also say no mandate. it does not seem to work.

on the health experts say that is obamacare, but for the mandate. >> we have a health care issue in this country. we have had for a long time. obamacare is not the right solution. it is a train wreck. i have come with a plan and i want to talk about it. lie, theed with the biggest lie of the year, if you like your doctor, you can keep it. the biggest lie was when the president and al franken said it would make health care less expensive and that is not true. it's absolutely not true. i know that because i am talking to people. that it was preferred one, the low-cost provider and they came out with the new rates and they are going up 63%. when i was in rochester last

week him a woman came up to me who work at mayo clinic -- last week, a woman came up to me who works at mayo linette at her deductible is going up and she had a look of fear and anger. said it is a lie you are telling minnesotans. premiumsfocus on the going off. three weeks from tomorrow, thousands of minnesotans will go to the website and the estimates are all over the map ranging from 4% to 11%. what did you say to people who are concerned not only by the increasing -- people have seen their rates go up and some have seen them go down. i spoke to a manufacturer 8:00 p.m. ploys 48 people -- may fracture and he employees 48 people. let's make it clear.

let me make this clear. what he is talking about is repealing this and it goes back to square one with a congress that is -- where there is -- there is obstruction and gridlock. all of this disappears illegally. -- immediately. >> we have a health care issue in this country. obamacare is not the right solution. it is a disaster. to say it is going to lower cost is patently wrong. it will raise costs. we cannot afford. the difference is i want the states to control and you want the federal government to control. >> that has been done. quick you do what you want -- >> when al franken and i were debating in front of the audiencem alfred and said there

audience,roms with -- alfredo said there are many problems with obamacare. at yourts have looked plan and set your plan will not keep costs low will cost you do not have the mandate. chris that is wrong. i said of the states can decide if they want to implement. -- >> and that is wrong. if minnesota said we want a mandate, we could do that. not want one,es they do not have to. i believe the states are laboratories for experiment. >> it does not matter. it is not going to be his plan. members of the house and 100 members of the senate and everybody will have a plan and your plan does not get adopted because you are running for office. it immediately goes away. i have offered fixes.

ok? i have bipartisan support on something called reinsurance which is the unions and businesses that sell for sure the republican of illinois is a cosponsor of my legislation. to say i have offered nothing -- >> that is a minute piece of it. what minnesotans want -- straight talk and obama care is not working. there's a better way forward and i think the states are laboratories for experiment and it should be implemented. i am sorry gentlemen. that is all the time we have. >> ok. >> they are $1000 a year less per book in -- per beneficiary their predicted in 2009. the cost of the kind of care we have incentivized as opposed to

-- and what we do -- >> you mentioned -- >> medicare advantage that you want to do away. >> and that is not true. more americans on medicare advantage now than ever before. i am sorry for that we want to go to a lot of topics. hang on a second. >> for safe to say it will lower, it is a out right -- everybody getting the permits for next year are seeing staggering rises. >> we will have to take a break. we will be back in a couple of minutes. >> welcome back to the senate to debate. we have been asking viewers what is on their mind. what do they want to know from the candidates.

>> we have had a lot of questions from viewers and one is from rod, who is sick and tired of america being at work for a dozen years. he is wondering, what can be done about it? he asks senator franken, what would you do about the isis threat? a barbaricis is group. we need to degrade and destroy isis. train and arm the syria withbels in some trepidation about how successful it could be. i have supported the president's bombing as well as in iraq. isis does not observe those borders.

i do not think -- would we go back to to congress, we will debate and vote at the right to use military force to o this bombing. kay it will be a much more narrowly defined authorization. -- to support the president' do you support the president's actions and has he done enough? mr. mcfadden said he you and missing in action a do not done enough to stop recruiting right here in minnesota. what about that? >> as soon as i got to the what are the9, first things i did was give briefings from the fbi, both in washington and st. paul on recruitment going on at the time in our community. leaders, anommunity

organization that tries to get youth to make better choices. i met with a lot enforcement and the on record as pressing judiciaryecurity hearings on this. i am on record as pressing the director of the fbi on this and judiciary hearings. i have worked with the community and working with law enforcement. we got to the recruitment down. when it was clear that isis had acruited dozens, i wrote letter saying i want to double down on what we did to limit -- they started a new program. >> he has done a lot. this has been going on for a long time. the world has become a more

dangerous place. i hear about safety and security from people all of the time. the number one recruitment area for terrorism and that concerns me. there are things going on for a long time. al franken second 2008. it was not until -- there are estimates that thousands of minnesotans are fighting with isis. minnesotans were killed and i called for a revocation of that gos from people with terrorist organizations and i held a press conference. after talking with community leaders in east africa. al franken comes out and says -- he writes a letter to the department of justice. let me go back. when you talk about isis the cuts that are barbarians. i cannot stress enough how disappointed i have been with

president obama's foreign-policy or lack of it in your support of it. doesleading from behind not work. it was a president that said, i will sit down with the leaders of north korea and iran and work everything out. that is not been the case. the world is a more dangerous face today because will not show leadership. it is a president they came from vacation after there were 2 beheadings of journalist and said we do not have a strategy and that is not acceptable. >> the president said in 2012 syria used chemical weapons and a red line would be crossed a it would be u.s. action in retaliation and that never happened. experts point to that in a series of missteps in syria and not leaving a force in iraq as being part of the reason that isis has grown so quickly. you have supported the

president's foreign-policy. do you feel the president and yourself and those who have supported him are right to blame? used 2013 when assad chemical weapons, i said i thought the president should use force. mr. mcfadden talks about leading from behind. in the first 10 months of his campaign, there was not a word about foreign-policy and terrorism. used chemicalad weapons, every republican candidate was asked by minnesota public radio what choices they would make, what would they do. everybody answered but mr. mcfadden. he ducked. the reason was it was a difficult political decisions. >> i did not duck. >> you did not answer the question. >> every --

other candidates responding. >> we get asked questions all of the time. sometimes we answer and sometimes we do not. it made a situation i was at a kids -- i am in the game. as soon as you draw a redline in the sand and it's crossed, i would've had bombers immediately. done. and -- and -- >> this was a huge issue at the time. this dominated the news. when you were asked about the issue facing the country and right then and there that was the issue and it was a difficult decision at that is the job -- in benghazi, we had an ambassador murdered and the president did nothing and you

supported and the world watched. phil what happened is the president drew a red line in the sand -- then what happened is the president drew a redline and nothing happened. no wonder we have a situation that happened in the ukraine or gaza or syriaa -- and the world is a much more dangerous place. you supporting for president 97% of the time. you are a rubber stamp for his policies. >> we will talk >> what should we have done in benghazi? >> hang on. let me answer this. this is a job where you have to answer questions in real time, where you have to make choices in real time. you can't take cheap shots from the bleachers. there was no, nothing, not a

word of his foreign policy. nothing on his website. nothing that he -- no speeches on it. no press release. >> you talk about diverting questions real time. i just watched pat asked you three times whether you supported travel ban from west africa and you diverted it time and time again. people are seeing how you act and that's not acceptable. >> up next, we'll get to one of the most repeated attacks in this race, that 97%. stay right here. >> welcome back to the u.s. senate debate between al franken and republican challenger mike mcfadden. something we've heard a lot in this campaign and viewers have

seen this in your political ads over and over again. you have repeatedly criticized senator franken in your ads for voting with president obama 97% of the time. you promise if you're elected if you vote 97% of your time with your party, you won't run again. what is the proper percentage, 96%, 95%? how about 90? how about 88%? what's your percentage? >> it shows independent leadership. i won't be a rubber stamp for any president. it's an issue because i believe that this president is leading us in the wrong direction. i believe that most minnesota residents believe that and al franken has been a rubber stamp for the president. i haven't met anybody in minnesota that agrees with another person 97% of the time. he don't even agree with my wife 97% of the time.

what's a good% ath -- percentage? >> pat, let me tell you something. let me share something with you. america is broken right now. congress is not working. it's not working. it is hyperpartisan and i believe that right now that where we have dush mentioned there's 100 senators and 435 in the house of representatives, there's 535 people that have an opportunity to vote in america and what we have produced from congress for a decade is horrendous. >> i get what you're saying. you're using them over and over again but that is apparently what everybody does. take a look at some of -- here's what the democrats vote. let me show you this. here is what democrats vote with their parties, and it's above 90%. you've got all the democrats, 90% or more, except for colin peterson.

but republicans too. look at the republicans. here are republicans. everyone is voting above 90%. that 97% number is meaningless. >> no it's not. it's not meaningless. it's one of the highest percentage voting with the president. he has supported the president every step of the way. pat, you raise a bigger issue nd that's the extreme partisan partisanship that has taken place in washington. we have seen this hyperpartisanship. congress has a 9% approval rating. what really bothers me as a dad, as a businessman, and as a coach is nobody takes responsibility for the outcome. let me just -- >> we have to move on. we actually broke down the votes amongst the u.s. senate and we actually found there were no republican senators who voted

with their party 97% of the time while 37 democratic senators including you voted with the president 97% of the time in the 113th congress. doesn't that make your party, the democratic party the party of gridlock? >> no. this has been written about extensively and why this is so misleading. a lot of these are just nominations. .h.s. secretary, she passed -- a lot of these -- that's what they score. they score the things the president is for. i try to vote -- i try 100% of the time to vote for minnesota. and i work across party lines. i've done legislation with lamar alexander, a republican of tennessee. we just got it signed in july,

the first reform of our workforce system. we got rid of 15 different programs but we're training people for jobs that exist. i work with pat roberts on making drugs safer. work with deb fischer from kansas, deb fischer a republican from nebraska on world broad ban. >> you say you're woking across the aisle. but 97% indicates you do support president obama. has he been doing a really good job, good enough you support him 97% of the time? -- i have - i do voted in the interest of minnesota. now, on president obama, i've been disappointed in his inability to deal with this

gridlock. but i've also been disappointed in the gridlock that's been created especially by the tea party. >> let me talk about gridlock for a minute. to ale you made a comment franken his party was a -- i can tell you as an outcider, as a usinessman -- outsider who was taught to take responsibilities dad, i don't understand, congress has been horrendous. republicans say it's not our fault. we don't control the presidency. the democrats don't. they say we can't work with the house. i believe that la franken is one of the most partisan senators in the senate. >> why have senator roger

wicker, a republican mississippi in the th me to reign credit agencies on wall street. >> may i answer? >> go quickly. >> i see common ground when i can. but i also stand my ground when i -- when they come after the middle class, and this is where mr. mcfadden and i fundamentally disagree. i think the economy works in the middle out. i work want to work for the middle class and those aspiring middle class. >> hang on a second. we're talking about partisanship. >> i'm for raising the minimum wage. >> a study came out and they ranked senators from 1 to 100 in terms of their ability to co-sponsor legislation across the aisle. you were ranked last place. my dad always said look at

actions. >> according to that constituent -- it statistic, ted cruz is one of the most bipartisan members of the senate. >> ted cruz voted with his party 87% of the time. i've got ted cruz's voting record here. >> if you look at voting, there's a bell curve and, al, you are an outliar. >> when president obama was elected, the first thing we heard from the republican minority leader mitch mcconnell was they were going to do everything they can to not allow a second term. do you agree with that? >> i'll just give you a straight answer, unlike la franken who continues to divert from questions that you've asked him, i believe that's wrong. i think washington is so broken that nothing is getting done and

nobody takes responsibility for these outcomes. this is america. we signed up for representative democracy over 200 years ago which by definition, which means we have to work together to get things done. and under measurement what has been produced by congress over the last decade is horrendous. and you've been a part of that, al, and you need to take responsible tore that. >> we have to move on to the next segment. we will be right back. please join us. >> welcome back. we're in a state that bleeds purple and gold. even in a trying season the vikings are in a very big draw. we want to join larry jacobs from the humphreys school who has been going over the viewer questions. >> we've got john who has written in and john is fed up with billionaire owners getting

public funding. lets start with you, senator franken. john asks, do you think it's time to revoke the nfl tax exempt status? if yes, would you commit to sponsoring legislation to do this? >> senator franken. > well, they are exempt from certain laws that i think they shouldn't be. when they were negotiating on the stadium, it really was the owner could hold us hostage, the city hostage. i believe that we should be able to go back to the green bay packer model where a community owns -- can own the team. >> what about tax-exempt status? >> i would revoke that. i would have to look into that. they do -- >> two other senators have bills

drks senator cantwell and cory booker both have legislation in congress saying that they should revoke the tax-exempt status. >> i will support that. >> i will how about you? >> it's something i can look into. when i heard the question he thought maybe -- >> this is a federal issue. >> i understand the tax-exempt status. i have not looked into the nfl's tax-settlement status. and i've never been asked a question on that before. what i am asked is about the direction of this country. well, this is a $10 billion constitution here and they have a tax--- institution here. you're thoughts on that. >> i'll look into it and i'll get back to you. frankly, i'm kind of surprised that in an hour debate that we're talking about tax exempt

status. >> this is important to our views and a lot of minnesota ans . a week from now the washington redskins football team comes here and to many people, minnesota residents and native americans they believe it's offensive. should they change their name? >> if it was my team, i would own e the name but i don't the team >> i think it's racist. >> senator franken, you've actually written to the nfl to ask them to force the redskins to change their name. according to -- you septembered a $2,500 this election season from the nfl. was that the right thing to do?

>> well, look, whoever gives money to me, i feel they're endorsing what i speak on. >> they've been widely criticized for turning a blind eye as to domestic abuse. >> this is the first that i heard that they gave to me. >> according to this group, it's a $2500 contribution. would you consider giving it back? >> i will, yes. >> we will move on to the next segment where we'll talk about a lot of issues that a lot of our viewers want to hear about this too. >> you have also talked about closing loopholes. you want to close every loophole there is. isn't this a loophole that an organization like the nfl has a tax exempt status? >> i can't wait to hear which ones you want to close. >> i think that would be an exercise in futility to sit there and say which one of the

17,000 we are going to get rid of. i think we should do it in a onpartisan way and say this is going to be neutral because we have $17.5 trillion of debt we need to be guided by simplicity and transparency. >> this is where we have a fundamental difference. i voted to get rid of tax loopholes for companies that outsource jobs overseas. hat we use that to pay for 2, 00 teachers in minnesota. this is was at the height of the great recession. we were losing teachers right and left. i made that vote. he criticized that vote. i have legislation to prevent inversions that i have co-sponsored.

his company has taken advantage of inversions. >> billions of dollars. >> al franken owns stock in the parent company that he's talking about. >> al, i'm disappointed. you have spent millions of dollars attacking me on the air with false ads, and that's one of the issues that we have in this state right now. you ran the most negative attack oriented campaign in 2008 against norm coleman and now you're doing it again. and i believe -- >> lets talk about this latest ad, mr. mcfadden because you're saying it's absolutely false that your company neg yosheyated a deal that resulted in a mine closing in montana that resulted -- layoffs.lay offs >> the company that i run did

not do that deal. it was not involved in that transaction. >> why was it on the website? i've got the website here. it has that deal right underneath it. >> what i would encourage you to do is call them on monday and you ask them if we were nvolved. . e company that i run we sell businesses. >> you also talk about your restructuring prowl es on your website. you posted that. >> this was a transaction that the business that i run did not touch. and what al franken has said is in that ad was that i was a c.e.o. that was bruce. you know bruce. he was a big donor to your campaign. >> except you're not telling the truth, senator franken. 00 people loss their jobs.

>> you have these unemployed mill workers -- >> i have a mutual fund. you know some of the financials that i don't control. >> please let me answer this. this is an ad about a plant in montana that closed and it closed because of a deal that mr. mcfadden's company was advising on restructuring. >> not the firm that i run. it's the firm -- >> can i answer? >> mr. mcfadden's firm during this entire campaign advertised that it did the restructuring for that company. that's the company that laid off these 400 people. some had worked there for 20 to 30 years. but the day they had it on their website until the day we ran the

ad. that seems pretty incriminating. >> this would be like me blaming you for something that general electric did when you were at "saturday night live" because they -- >> i didn't advertise on my website. >> it's not just this ad. you met my daughter. >> aren't we embarrassed about what? >> about taking off your website the day after my ad that says -- that advertised we did the restructuring. >> we're come back on the other side of this break. >> stay tuned. we'll have much more of our debate after this. >> as we joined again by senator al franken and mike mcfadden. both of you wanted to continue the conversation that we left wfment >> so i wanted to say and stress anses are tired.

when we initially when i jumped into this race, al, your team, the democratic party put out an attack ad that had my daughter in it. no, don't roll your eyes. there is an attack ad that had my daughter molly in it. that's not appropriate. and minnesotaians are tired of these attacks. i have not -- >> you don't run negative ads? >> every ad -- these ads have been very negative. >> what about the issue of the 400 jobs that were lost, senator? >> 400 jobs lost, they did the restructuring, they bragged about doing the restructuring for the whole lent of this campaign until -- whole length of this campaign.

they knew his company did the restructuring on this. now they are a wholey owned subsidiary of a company in bermuda. that's the whole point -- you're a shareholder in that company. >> let me finish. that's the whole point of having a company in bermuda. you can sit -- you can send the money there. evidently it's intended to be confusing where your income is so that middle class americans end up paying the tax bill. we have a fundamental difference in the way we think the economy should work. it should work from the middle out. it should hope those in the middle. >> you own stock in this parent company and you own it through a mutual fund. you know what the mutual fund was called? the social responsible fund. >> if i can get to the point of the inversion -- tax inversion and those 400 jobs.

did you have something to do with that? >> no, the firm that i run had nothing to do with that. >> why was it on your website? >> you sat there and -- >> your company made $10 million on an inversion deal that sent a u.s. pharmaceutical company over to ireland. is isn't that fair for you to be questioned about and held accountable? >> that is false. we did not represent the company that did the inversion. >> you represented the irish company and your company made a lot of money. >> we have no operational control. it's like selling a home. >> you told the associated press that you didn't even know an inversion was part of the deal. you were a accomplished businessman. >> you're a c.e.o. and you don't take responsibility for what your company does, what are you going to do as a senator? the point is there's a company that's worth $500 million in

ireland and you're representing it. you're representing the fact they have a very low tax rate in ireland. >> we have a minute left here. >> we represent companies all over the world and we don't have operational control. it's -- when you sell your house , when you sell your apartment -- your agent doesn't make operational control of that. it's the new owner comes in and -- >> this is a fundamental difference. as s -- he doesn't just act the real estate agent. he bragged in 2009 about when there's a bad market we change to doing restructuring. and that's exactly what happened in montana. >> gentleman gentlemen, i am sorry. that is going to have to be the last word. we want to thank mr. mcfadden and senator. thank you so much for joining

us. >> you can see this and other debates at c-span.org. here is a look at the ads in the minnesota senate race. >> al franken is hiding his 97% voting record behind misleading false attacks. >> these policies are on the ballot. >> al franken, 97% obama. >> waiting for rain can make farming unpredictable, but waiting for congress to pass a farm bill, come on. >> i'm proud that i work with democrats and republicans to write and pass a five-year farm bill that is good for minnesota.

one in every five jobs in our state is tied to agriculture. >> farmers did not know what to expect when al franken was elected. >> i'm al franken. >> my dad is running for senate. he is not very good at this political stuff. is he is super honest, he works hard, he would rather help people then attack them. he has gone all of her minnesota telling people his plan. he is a good guy with a great heart and he will give everything for minnesota. >> i'm mike mcfadden, i approve this message. >> where do you go to avoid paying taxes? how about bermuda? that is where mike mcfadden's company goes to benefit from a tax loophole. there's ireland. mcfadden's company and $11

million helping a company avoid u.s. taxes. mcfadden.ou go, mike 2014 isn's campaign showing more than 100 debates for the control of congress. now, an update on the kansas senate race between pat roberts and greg norman -- orman. back to campaign 2014. eight days until the election. but take a look at the kansas senate race. thanks for joining us looking at

the race between pat roberts and the independent greg orman. >> it is still a very close race out here. the latest polls we are looking might havethat orman a lead of a pointer to -- point or two. a very tight race, no question about it. week, the pat roberts campaign bringing in mitt romney. who else is coming to campaign for the senator? guest: about half the u.s. senate has been out here to campaign for u.s. -- pat roberts. john mccain, rand paul, ted cruz , one senator after another, tom coburn from oklahoma. today, mitt romney will be in

town in a kansas city area suburb on the kansas side. he will draw a pretty big crowd. mitt romney is still a big name in american politics. that is why senator roberts is bringing him out here. what has the get out the vote effort been like for the roberts campaign and the orman campaign? he is an independent. who does he rely on? that is one of the big questions that surrounds this campaign as we head down toward election day. who does greg orman count on? he does not have very much of a get out the vote effort in the traditional sense that we judge these things now in american politics. he is an independent. the democrats are reluctant to help them on that front. they don't want to because

helping greg orman and further tie him to the democratic party. that has been one of the main arguments from the roberts side during the campaign, that orman hidingberal democrat behind the cloak of being an independent candidate. they want to avoid that kind of association. ownn is pretty much on his when it comes to getting the vote out and you wonder how that will affect him. roberts will have the advantage of having a long-established republican machine behind him, very well-known for its get out the vote apparatus. it should help him this time around. roberts will bank on that kind of support. orman does not have that kind of machine behind him.

you also have a world series going on there. is there any interference? is that a distraction in terms of things like getting airtime for tv spots, political ads? >> if you watch the world series out here, you are seeing lots of ads for orman, lots of ads for roberts. i don't think there has been any impact. researchoticed some that has been done that suggests that if you have a successful home team in any sport that tends to favor incumbents going forward to election day. there is research out there that suggests that kind of tie going into election day. >> we will find out. steve kraske from the "kansas

city star." thanks for joining us. guest: thanks for having me. >> on the next washington journal, mike duncan discusses why coal and the obama --inistration's clock climate action plan have become a big debate. after that, why the national education association plans to spend $40 million on the midterm elections. >> here are a few of the comments we have recently received from our viewers. >> i appreciate the airing of all these debates. it gives insight as to the diverse views of the representatives of candidates for u.s. house in other states

.nd other districts it is a really great thing to be able to watch them. >> there was a debate on c-span 2. i wish you would put that on regular c-span at 6:00 p.m. at night. please put the program on at 6:00 or 7:00 things i am so tired of this campaign. politiciansof these who cannot tell the truth. >> continue to let us know what

you think about the programs you are watching. at.can send us a tweet like us on facebook, follow us on twitter. why governors debate abercrombie lost the primary. this runs about an hour. >> from hawaii news now and honolulu star advertiser, this is campaign 2014, race for governor live from the conference senator at the university of hawaii cancer center.

>> aloha. good evening, everyone. welcome to the u.h. cancer center here in kakaako. early voting is less than a week away. we are down the homestretch, 20 days to go until the election. this is the final gubernatorial debate. now you'll notice many bodies here in the audience. we've invited 32 u.h. political science students. >> our goal tonight is to keep the conversation going in the right direction. we're hoping the answers will be concise and on point. the candidates do not know the questions they'll be asked. >> and we have students with the aloha in the audience. they have agreed to be respectful and attentive. we welcome the candidates for our debate. first off, mufi hannemann. [applause]

duke aiona. [applause] and david ige. [applause] gentlemen, thank you all for joining you tonight. we know you have seen each other in many forums. we appreciate one last chance to educate our voters. feel free to be seated. mr. aiona, you won the draw. i should mention all of our candidates will have 60 seconds to address the questions. can you identify two programs or policies of the abercrombie administration that you will reverse or repeal in your first six months in office if elected. >> thank you all for being here and our sponsors. i'd have to say the first program i'm going to look at is the hawaii health care connector. i think that is something that i've heard loud and clear from

many across the state. i think many in this building have questions -- questioned the valid of it but also the expense of it and the cost of it. the other program that i would look at and although i support it is the early education childhood program that we have right now. as you know, the legislature approved funding and they approved a pilot program, but it's in limbo in regards to whether or not that will be the program of the future. you have an amendment on the ballot, constitutional amendment floor that you're all going to vote for, but the program itself is something that hasn't been approved and agreed upon by everybody in the educational field. thank you. >> mr. hannemann, you also have one minute to address this. >> first thank you to hawaii news now and the honolulu star advertiser for sponsoring this town hall. i want to say to the residents in 08 as we brace for another hurricane, prepare for the worst and hope for the best. and our thoughts and prayers are with the president as he gathers around the world with leaders to

deal with the ebola crisis. i will not follow through with the health care -- the fact that we spent $125 million for people to sign up. i would like to go forward and cut our loss s but be sure those 10,000 people are taken care of. i feel strongly about education. there have been cuts. why are we cutting funding for the medical school that we're here in tonight? makes no sense to me. we have a shortage of doctors in our community. we need to restore that funding. also cuts in the education programs. all of those things are something we will work very hard in the beginning to restore. thank you. >> last but not least, mr. ige. >> thank you very much for that question and thank you to hawaii news now for hosting this town

hall meeting. it is a very interesting format. i look forward to this evening. i will say a couple things. clearly for me it's about education. it's not so much about repealing as really reemphasizing. it's about empowering schools and really trusting those close to the children to make the decision about how to move the schools forward. i see remarkable transformation when we get the right leader into the right school. i don't believe it's a cookie cutter where every school should be following the same step. it's about working with each community and about being willing to make the investments on what they need to move their community forward. i would like to talk about the constitution amendment. i am opposing it just because i don't believe we have the funds. we need a better plan and the private schools are not in the communities where they need to be. thank you. >> thank you, gentlemen.

mr. hannemann, you'll go first on this question. it's about the economy from a u.h. student. >> as the cost of living continues to soar, as it gets more difficult for my generation and future generation to purchase a home and find well paying jobs how will you diversify hawaii's economy and attract high growth industries with good paying jobs here in hawaii? >> thank you for the question. i want to -- we have a wonderful opportunity i believe given what we bring to the table in terms of our knowledge, the people that live in this part of the world, in terms our relationships. we need to export our knowledge base industries. take advantage of all of you who are graduating from the university of hawaii and say to the rest of the world we are capable of providing that expert sees, be it in tourism, science, agriculture, astron knee --

astronomy, health. tourism has a trickle down effect that helps small businesses. i'm talking about cultural tourism, health tourism, health tourism. hawaii is a great place to learn and we can create good solid jobs that will make sure when you graduate from school you have a governor with the right leadership to say come home, stay home and we're going to make this a great place to live, work and play. >> over to mr. ige, how would you diversify hawaii's economy? >> i think it's fitting that we're sitting here in the cancer center because this building has been at the center of our efforts to diversify our economy. i've been an advocate for technology and economic diverse cation for all of my career, making investments. i've been -- i retired from

g.t.e. to take a position in a start up so that i could walk the talk. it really is about empowering -- it's about making and giving our young people the belief that they can be successful. it's about investing in our schools. it's about investing in our university, creating the innovation and entrepreneurial spirit. as i talk with people who have done it over and over again, it really is about instilling in the spirit of the young people the belief that it can and will be done in hawaii. thank you. >> mr. aiona, one minute. >> patrick, thank you for that question because i want you to stay home. i want all of you in this room to stay home. it really boils down to this. i'm the only candidate here who is committed to promoting a business friendly environment. it is about getting government out of the way of businesses. we need to expand our economy. how do we do that?

with our naturally competitive industries? right here, technology. this would be the perfect place for any technology in the industry. why? because we have the location. we have the climate. we have the people. we have the culture. we have everything we need. there's just two things i need for you to vote for duke aiona. we need to cut the cost of living and we need to make sure our educational system is that much better. if we take care of those two factors, i guarantee you any technological firm or company would come to hawaii, they would incubate and they would be that much better. >> thank you. i have another educational related question for mr. ige. it is about tuition. >> i'm a junior at the university of hawaii and i can barely afford tuition, housing and food with the job i work. if tuition continues to rise, i'll probably have to get a second job in order to keep

attending and i fear that my g.p.a. will suffer as a result. can something be done so that college can remain affordable for students not just to stay in school but excel as well? >> thank you very much for that question. you know, this has been a question that the legislature has taken up in the last 12 months and it really has been -- as chair of ways and means committee, i did have the university appear before us. it is something that concerns everyone. we did ask and the regents did vote to have a moratorium on the tuition increases. and our point was what is the reason for you raising tuition? the regents told us we wanted the tuition to be in the median. we told them that's not acceptable. it really ought to be about what you're funding, why you need to raise tuition, why is it that

you believe and how would you invest those dollars. i would have to say university regents and the -- they have heard the people loud and clear. we will see what the appropriate tuition should be. >> over to duke aiona on rising tuition. >> thank you for the question. first and foremost, i want you to know that i pain with you. i have four children of my own and we've had to go through all of this. we have an innovative program that we want to adopt. it's called early college. it will give high school students an opportunity to grade from grade 9 to 14 and earn an aa.a. degree as well as a high school diploma without any costs. that can cut down the cost significantly if you want to continue. i would throw this out to the university of hawaii because i said this in other forums. i say the problem we have at the

university in hawaii is the politicians insert themselves into leadership. i throw this one out because i heard about this one. why we have this as part of our program, if you enroll for this year, 2014, 2015, that tuition is frozen until you graduate four years from now. we can just throw that one out and give them an idea. thank you. >> i support that because it's already existing in the public schools, kaimuki, waipahu, that's a great incentive. i'm the only person amongst you tonight that's actually done a budget for the executive branch. you can rest assured when i send that budget down to the legislature, i will prioritize funding so that we don't have to raise tuition. i said as mayor, the number one responsibility of the mayor is public health and safety. the number one responsibility of a governor is education. it will pain me a lot to see our local students want to come to the university and cannot afford

it because they can't pay tuition. so it will have the ultimate priority when i send it down to the legislature i will do as what i did as the mayor of the city and county of honolulu. you go downstairs and you make sure that is not going to be cut because it is a priority and that's what you have from me to make sure that our local students can go to the university or community college system. >> mr. aiona you'll answer first. this next question comes from kayla. it's about poverty. >> i volunteer at catholic charities and there are so many families awaiting for affordable housing. i'm really interested, what is your long term plan about the issue of poverty in high? >> kayla, thank you very much for that question. the long term plan is what i stated earlier, opening up high, making it a business friendly environment because for you and everyone else in the state of

hawaii it boils down being able to live, work and play in hawaii. if you can get a great education and with that a job that is within this 21st century knowledge based economy, you're going to be able to thrive in the future. so we have two programs i'm going to expand on this later. it's for affordable rental and affordable housing. i'm excited about this. our affordable rental will take 25% -- boom, within six years we've got 2,000 more units for all of you. we're calling this our hope program for affordable homes. it is sim -- simple. by paying rent you can save to buy your home. i will expand on that. thank you. >> mr. hannemann your plan on poverty. >> we need to make improvement in two areas, housing and jobs. together we can identify ways in

which we can create more affordable rentals and more affordable housing and i think that will take us a long way as opposed to the past. in terms of jobs, yes, we want to provide good quality jobs and that's why the emphasis has to be on a governor's ability to grow the economy, to create more jobs, and that being said was what i said earlier of being able to enable young people or people who still want to be in the workforce, jobs that they'll be able to achieve and aspire to -- that takes someone who has the ability to attract outside investment to hawaii to stimulate this economy. we have wonderful as assets that we can put on the table. being a strategic location in the mid pacific area. job training and educational skills will help them stay employed. >> mr. ige. >> thank you very much for that question.

it really is about grow the economy. i do believe as governor one of the important priorities is really working to grow our economy. that comes in three specific areas. it is about investing in the visitor industry. it does create the lion's share of jobs in our economy. more than 170,000 jobs are created by visitors coming here. and so it's about being smart. d.c. about opening a second international portal at kona airport so we can attract more international visitors. we do know that international visitors spend money in our economy. it's about the governor being proactive about federal -- the federal budget will shrink over the next decade. we need a governor that's active in pursuing and convincing the federal government that hawaii is a strategic location for investments.

and the third really is about is diversification. thank you. >> mr. hannemann, this next questions is for you. it comes from alissa. >> pending the justification that hawaii is an occupied country, how do you address the illegal status of the state of hawaii being that you'll be the executive officer of this illegal extension of american power? >> i really believe that we are part of the united states of america. i appreciation everyone's right for freedom of speech. but at the end of the day i'll stand on the fact that we are part of the united states of america. we have a constitution that we have to defend. for those who are unhappy, let me reach out and try to collaborate with them so we can feel like one ohana. anyone that lives here should always feel welcomed. anyone that comes here should feel welcomed. i think it's important to understand and appreciate that.

that's why i said you need to slow down the native hawaiian's effort wanting to build a nation within a nation. there's still a lot of unrest. there's really no unanimity on what that model should look like. lets take two steps back and try to bring them into the circle of discussion as opposed to ignoring them and making them feel isolated. we need to respect all people's views. >> thank you, your time is up. mr. ige, you also have one minute to address. >> thank you. it is very clear that in 1893 a grave injustice was done to the hawaiian people. and we have learned a lot. our community has learned a lot about what occurred in 1893. but we can't go back. it's really about how we move forward. the one thing that became very evident in the recent hearings

by the u.s. department of interior is that there needs to be more conversation within the hawaiian community itself. there needs to be a broader dialog that includes all of the hawaiian community about all options in moving forward on self-determination for native hans. so as governor i would be looking at helping to define that process to facilitate the conversation amongst hans, but most importantly, this is a significant conversation that needs to include the entire community because at the end of the day, we need to move forward as hawaii together. >> one more minute. >> thank you very much for that question. this shows as a native hawaiian, i understand that for many native hans in their minds, in their souls, in their hearts there is still a hawaiian kingdom here in hawaii, i acknowledge and respect that. this is why i said in my last forum in regards to native

hawaiian sovereignty and governance, i take a native prospective in regards to trying to bring the community together. i think also like my colleagues that -- did not have consensus and was not ready for the community to come together. but it has to be driven by the community. and as a native hawaiian, i want to take responsibility for that. i want to be at the forefront of that. i want to be the mediator, the facilitator and bring our hawaiian community together so we can have consensus. until that can happen, that's the only time that we can develop our consensus in regards to self governance. >> lets talk about g.m.o.'s. >> mr. ige, hawaii has attracted national attention for several proposed law that would limit the growth of g.m.o. at the

county level. on the state level in what way do you think g.m.o. products should be reag lated? >> thank you very much for that question. at the state level i believe a couple things. first and foremost, i do believe the state has an obligation to ensure the health and well-being of our community. we have an obligation to regulate pesticide use and to make sure our public and our people know what pest sides and where they're being applied and to be sure they're being applied safe safely and within the guidelines of what they were intended to do. in terms of g.m.o. labeling, i believe labeling is a federal requirement, that the government controls how the products are labeled. in terms of growing things, i truly support the farmers. i believe farmers should be engaged and allowed to grow whatever crops they feel most productive for them.

we have lots of state land that we can use between organic farmers and g.m.o. farmers to be sure there is no cross contamination. >> mr. aina. >> i'm of the position that g.m.o. should be kept local. i understand what's been going on with regards to the kauai ordinance and the lawsuit that has been heard and i believe it is with the island of hawaii. i understand that. so eventually it seems like it's going to the way back. when it gets to that level, i think what it boils down to is what do we want in regards to agriculture and food security. are we going to balance it as such we protect food security, we protect our farmers and we make it available to everyone or are we going to limit it? i think the science has been clear as far as what i've seen

and up to this point in time i would not be in favor of a total ban on g.m.o. products. >> mr. hannemann. >> i've had a strong history of support for agriculture, dating back to my days -- through the years and even as mayor i was very supportive of agriculture and i support all forms of agriculture. i think it's important to put on the plate in my opinion the science does not support the fact that g.m.o. should be banned. i am concerned about pesticide drift. i think there's certain controls and measures that can be enacted by the department of agriculture. the department of agriculture is the rodney dangerfield of state departments. less than 1.7% of the budget goes to agriculture. so how can you expect them to do these type of enforcement programs or promote agriculture? i want to bring it up from where it is in the back seat, put it up front, support it and if we're going to label, it should come from the federal government

so that we are all on a level playing field throughout america and not just high. >> thank you all. leta™s talk about taxes. mr. aiona. every governor since george ariyoshi has faced a fiscal crisis. if you run into a fiscal crisis, which of these would you put into place first? >> you know, i'm the only one here who's had the opportunity and experience that to have been through something very difficult on the fifth floor in the executive branch. we saw the bottom fall out of the economy. some difficult decisions had to be made. in response to that specific question, obviously what i stated earlier. we need to grow the economy. we grow the revenue that way. i'm not an advocate of growing our revenue by way of taxes. i think you've seen that in the last four years. my colleague to the left has increased taxes by over $800

million. that's just not the way to go. we find ourselves right now in this fiscal cliff that's coming up next year in which we are going to have to see how are we going to make it work in government. when you take it to that level, we'll have the only option of raising taxes but that's not my option. thank you. >> mr. hannemann. >> once again you can make promises but have you actually done it while you were in office? as a mayor of the 13th largest city in the united states, i have to make those decisions, where to cut, where to increase revenues and how to grow the economy. and every year i was a mayor with that great talented team, we had a budget surplus carryover from a low of $134 million to a high of s $423 million. i know how to balance the budget and set priorities. the last thing you want to hear is government is going to raise

your taxes. you have to identify inefficiencies. seeing how we can collectively do things better to help all the counties and the state. but most importantly at the end of the day, make the tough decisions, collaborate with the council to make sure that you have a budget surplus instead of a budget deficit and you're always threatening folks with a tax cut -- tax increase. >> mr. ige, layoffs, furloughs or tax increases. >> i'm the only candidate here who actually had to face the tough decision and for four years i had to balance the budget looking at whether we do increase taxes, lay off people or cut the budget. and i want to say that i was facing a $1.2 billion deficit, another p larger than any of my other candidates here. most importantly we were able to balance the budget without any

layoffs. it really was about focusing on eliminating suspensions of taxes, business to business taxes. it was about increasing taxes on the wealthy about being selective on how you would do that. and most importantly it really was about cutting the budget. i've cut budget requests by more than $1 billion. it really is about having discipline. and i've always believed to walk the talk and to look at what people have done rather than what they say and i have four years proven of what i would do to balance budget. >> i guess they couldn't answer none of the above. now time for the candidates to ask each other a question. we've allowed one minute response time as well as 30 seconds for rebuttal. we'll start with mr. aiona. your question for mr. hannemann. >> we just talked about taxes, mufi, so how can the people of hawaii trust that you will not raise taxes and/or increase the

cost of living but yet you did so as mayor when you raised the taxes for rail and now you're promoting a bigger public project called super ferry. can you explain how you're not going to raise taxes when indeed you did raise taxes for rail? >> duke, you have a very selective memory tonight. >> i did not raise taxes. the state legislature had to raise the tax. i lobby for it because it really believed that we needed it. i also said that we should have the option to do that .5% for things they wanted to do. you're also missing the fact that your counterpart was a strong supporter. she said in her initial speech, i'm looking forward to working with the new mayor on a real transit solution for hawaii. i don't know what world you're living in back then, but certainly the senator voted for

it and a majority of the legislature because we were trying to follow the expressed will of the people. 87% of the people want it. and had you done the environmental impact study, you seconds. >> i think it's a matter of refreshing the recollection of people not only in this room but the people out there. that you had to approve because if you didn't approve it, it would never be in the pipe right now. the bottom line is this. every single one of you, you and your children and her grandchildren will be responsible for that tax imposed by the rail projects. we are talking about a superferry without any identifiable investor.