the best interest, it does not make a lot of sense to me. >> that is the time. .ur final question here is the question. two years ago, following the general election, it looks like congress would finally tackle immigration reform. here we are today, still without a comprehensive immigrant policy in the united states. what is your plan for comprehensive immigrant legislation? >> thank you. it begins with securing our borders. nothing happens until we secure our borders. howtart to recognize critical it is for the safety and security of our country that we actually have policies in effect that will protect our borders. that is not happening.

i think both republicans and democrats in congress would honor any deal in which he would secure our borders, and that would have to happen first. the president has talked about what he would do by the pen, and what we believe what will happen is that he will sign legislation or executive orders that will allow additional individuals to stay without having to report, without having to go back. people are here without if thosetion, and folks can stay here under an amnesty program, then they should stay as well. secure our borders before anything else. after that, you can talk about major immigrant reform. start with securing our borders. it we begin, sir,

now with mr. pressler. what about comprehensive progressive immigration reform? about two years ago i started this campaign and i issued a press release almost every week on specific issues. my plan is to bring back some of our troops from obsolete foreign races, and put them on our number two, followed the george w. bush plan, and follow the five-year path to citizenship. you would have to complete background checks and so forth. it may be most important to south dakota, we need a program that works. i am the only candidate who has given a specific three-point plan on immigration. i follow the george w. bush plan that he propose, but it is in

south dakota's interest to be thorough and you would have to apply for, and we should enforce this. with the current administration law is that it is not enforced. i think that there should be eight two-part situation, we andld secure the borders, bring in troops from those theyete italian bases, have been there many years since the end of world war ii. we should bring them home at no additional cost and deal with real immigration reform. >> same question. >> i came out very early with a bill that has already passed within the united states, and democrats and republicans did get together. they worked it out. they came up with a piece of

legislation the basically said. if you are republican, we are going to bring money into the situation for the borders. who wereemocrats holding out for some 12 million undocumented workers, that was part of the legislation to rid it passed overwhelmingly and then it went to the house. this happened last year. but john boehner and a group of very extreme republicans have not wanted to bring it to the floor. the fact of the matter is, if it came to the floor, it would pass. we would have immigration reform in this country. thathas already told you he is with boehner and the extremists on this one. it sos what makes frustrating about the dysfunction in washington, they got along on the other side of the united states senate, and

they pass the bill. it offered border security and citizenship, my immigration something that john boehner should be able to take to the floor of the house and allow people to vote on it so we can move forward. >> mr. howell, same question. >> i am reminded of ronald reagan saying to mr. gorbachev, ."ear down that wall you going to kid ourselves and think that somebody from south dakota will represent us in the united states senate and create a legislation reform that would make a border secure and would make jobs number one? twoact, we have seen administrations now in south dakota that have it ignored a legal immigrants in south dakota. illegal immigrants in

south dakota. these illegal immigrants are obs, andouth dakota j one of them even took the life of a south dakota citizen. they really believe that would behave any differently if we send one of them to washington dc? i think not. ofneed a new style leadership in america, one that is not willing to compromise principle, the one that is willing to sit down and talk with everybody. not have the do border that is secure is because we lack the will. republicans and democrats simply have not had the spine to say "secure the border first." is your you sir, that time. now it is time to go into rebuttals. gentlemen, safety

and security should be our first concern. sometime in wash -- sometimes in washington dc, they forget that. and securesafe borders. safety and security is critical now and it is going to be critical in the future. we have to secure our borders before anything else. the reason that we have not had any immigration reform is because we have an open border and because congress is not doing its work. congress has spent too much time raising money. i am all about making sure that people have to serve their term limits. this is my last election, win or lose. i will be able to devote one hundred percent of my time to working. that is why immigration has not passed. >> and mr. weiland, 30 seconds.

our borders would be safe and secure if we had been able to pass immigration reform in the house. has not brought it to the floor because it would provide a pathway to citizenship for some 12 million undocumented workers that are here, they are they are paying taxes, and we are a nation of immigrants. ima fifth-generation south -- my and, my grandfather grandparents were from normandy and germany. >> that is your time. we have to dakota, do something about the illegal immigrants in our states that are taking our jobs and are creating problems in our states. i believe that sending someone who has done nothing and expecting them to do something on this issue is just being

fooled. i believe it is time that we have leaders that will not secureise on that issue: the border first. >> it is now time for the candidates to share their closing statements for us. will have one minute, and they have drawn to see who will go first, and mr. weiland, you will go first. so much.you working with my mom and my dad in a family business, i have learned about the value of hard work. i have given back to my town. have had an incredible journey in the last eight months visiting every town in our state and talking to the people and listening and learning. they are hungry. i see it in their eyes and i feel it when they talk to me about opportunity.

they need a fair shot at a fair shake. we are not getting it right now. so much of our politics is buyingup in big money, people on their way to washington dc, so when they get there, they own them. i have come out for a constitutional amendment that would overturn citizens united, get our country back, that is the essence of my campaign and i would appreciate your vote on november 4. howie, we'd like to hear your statement. if you vote for somebody who has twice voted for barack obama, and has also voted for -- in theal the state state every day, we should not continue with this. my conservative credentials have not been challenged.

there is a reason for that. it is because of my commitment to conservative principles throughout my career in politics for six years and in the private sector. my support for traditional values is beyond question. i think it is time for a new style of leadership in america. a leadership that focuses on s us back tod get what our forefathers gave us, a reason and a purpose. i have a sense of leadership with a vision and purpose that will take us back to america. closing, i would like to plead with the citizens of south dakota to observe that imd only candidate in the entire united states that is under attack by both them a chronic and republican parties. those are massive television attack ads, and i cannot afford to respond. i only have 1% as an

independent. only 1% of months much money as either of my opponents. refer to theto biblical david, and i have at least two goliaths coming after me. and then there are other reasons, so if you look at the financials, i have 12 goliaths coming after me. i have the friendship of the people of south dakota, but i want to be very careful -- i want you to be very careful in your decision. we don't have enough money even for yard signs. we are depending on a grassroots efforts that this state has never seen before. >> thank you very much, and now it is your turn. tothank you, i will lead keep south dakota safe and secure. it is true that president obama is on the ballot if you both for my competitors, you will vote

for president obama's policies. we want to eliminate obamacare and passing the keystone pipeline and getting it in so we can actually have a market for our grain and get paid for that grain, ladies and gentlemen, south dakota common sense is clearly very, very rare in washington dc. america even better than what it is today for our children and our grandchildren. >> all right, thank you. that is all the time we have. i would like to thank all of the candidates for joining us tonight. south dakota usa eight senator howard howie, ,ormer governor michael round

and rick weiland, and larry pressler. listen to the debate tomorrow, and that is at 12:00 a.m. mountain:00 time. you can also watch this debate in its entirety on our website. be sure to pay attention as we zero in on the candidates and the ballot issues. that is october 30 at 8:00 p.m. central and 7:00 p.m. mountain time. thank you for tuning in. ♪ >> and more debates tonight in

the 2014 campaign, first the illinois governor's to bait at 8:00 p.m. eastern time, with governor pat quinn and republican businessman bruce rauner. and then at 9:00 p.m. eastern standard time, the new york governor's debate with governor astorino, howie hawkins, and michael mcdermott. here are the republican attack ads. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 -- 10, 9, 8, 6 -- eight comments seven comments 6 -- these rv stakes. do we really want another governor that will end up in jail? >> do we trust ultraconservative rob astorino?

he promised to cut property taxes by 20%. then he broke his word. he broke the property tax cut. westchester has the highest property tax not only in new york but in the nation. the highest property taxes in the nation. him to managerust taxes in westchester, you could never trust him as governor. >> the governor is supposed to represent all of the people. but andrew cuomo only represents the liberals in the city. he does not care about you. cuomo forced extreme gun control and band popular rifles. he violated the privacy of law-abiding gun owners. took away the constitutional freedoms away from you. take the governor's office away from him. >> trust is everything to me. haveis why for all we accomplished, our state government is not done until we

have cleaned up the legislative corruption in albany. so we have got a new independent commission composed of many individuals across this great state to investigate and prosecute wrongdoing. pollock you -- politicians in investigatingtop and i will stop fighting until we have a government that i can trust. andrew cuomo has spent millions of dollars on ads that are not true. york as the highest property taxes in the nation. cuomo's new york is the worst state to retire. you got it. cuomo's new york. havew cuomo's policies gone across too many categories, and nothing will change that. york has a proud history of fighting discrimination, and that is why it is shocking that has been the only

county executive to refuses to comply. $10 million in penalties of forcible rights file asians. the new york times on after reno says that he has a diehard resistance to civil rights that didn't work out for the south at half a century ago and it will work now. the debate inch the new york's governors debate, you can watch that here at 9:00 p.m. at c-span. dean shaheennator is running against scott brown in the new hampshire senate race. their debate is on 10:00 eastern time. here is a look at some of the ads running in their race. is one thing that i am definitely going to do. and that is going to change. >> in new hampshire, we have

some of the highest energy costs in the nation. $42 a monthearly more out of your pocket. $12 $.40 a month, and that is about 83,000 homes in new hampshire. that is a shocker folks. you are payingof higher rates. ♪ >> i am definitely going to change. ♪ >> i have never voted to outsource jobs. it is interesting when you look it up. [laughter] ♪

your involvement with the country, you are on the board, whose business plan in job -- involves shipping jobs overseas. >> i have never voted to outsource jobs. you can look that up. [laughter] ♪ tvanyone who turns on the nowadays must face challenges to our way of life. islamic terrorists are andatening our country, president obama seems confused about the nature of the threat. not me. i want to close out the border

and restore america's leadership in the world. i approve this message because protecting the homeland is the first step in making america strong again. they don't call us the granite state for nothing. we are tougher. and i will never back down in the fight for new hampshire. i don't work for big business. i work for you. i help our businesses compete and allow families to refinance student loans and get better health care close to home. i am jeanne shaheen, and i approve this message. i didn't just moved to her, i have lived here fighting for you. i would be honored to have your vote. >> new hampshire senator jeanne shaheen and former massachusetts senator scott brown are debating later tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern here on c-span. c-span's 2014

campaign coverage. like us on facebook to get schedules, video clips of key moments, reviews from our politics teams. over 100 bringing you senate and gubernatorial debates. we get your automatic response to what the candidates are saying. stay in touch and engaged. follow us on twitter or like us on facebook. senator new jersey frank lautenberg died last year, cory booker won a special election to win his seat. he is now facing a full six-year term against jeff bell. they debated last week in trenton. this debate is about one hour. >> this is vote 2014. the new jersey senatorial debate. today's debate is brought to you by 6 abc philadelphia. wabc-tv new york. and the league of women voters of new jersey.

and now from our 6 abc trenton studio in alphabetical order, the candidates are republican jeffrey bell of leonia, and democrat cory booker of newark. our panelists are matt friedman with the "star-ledger." mariela saigado for telenoticias 41. and jonathan tamari for "the philadelphia inquirer." moderating the debate are wabc-tv's anchor sade baderinwa and jim gardner of 6 abc. >> hello and thank you for joining us for this debate between the two candidates running for the u.s. senate in new jersey. >> they have gathered here for what we hope will be a wide ranging and informative discussion of the major issues in the campaign. and a quick note about the format. each candidate will have one minute to answer the question posed to them by jim, myself, and our three panelists. the candidates have also agreed to one round in which they will ask each other one question. at the end of the debate, each candidate will have one minute to make a closing statement. >> and so let's begin by random drawing. our first question goes to mr.

bell. mr. bell, only five people have been diagnosed with the ebola virus in the united states. and each one has a direct connection, an obvious connection, a first generational connection with the source of contagion. are we making too much of this? are we overreacting to ebola and by that i mean the government, the media, the medical community, and subsequently americans? or is this an ominous public health issue and if so, what would be the first priority of the federal government? >> in my opinion, jim, the government has under-reacted and underestimated the ease with which this spreads and gets around to a given country. we should have cut off on a temporary basis all flights from the three west african countries involved. and i think president obama has once again failed and helped an

institution, namely the c.d.c., to fail by political appointments and complacency. we absolutely have to have a temporary travel ban, screening people in the airports isn't enough because very often the symptoms are delayed. i don't think just saying that the experts think that it won't help is enough. i think we have to err on the side of caution and aggressive containment of this disease. >> mr. booker. >> first of all i want to thank the sponsors of this event and the moderators and my opponent as well as the viewers at home. this is a clear difference for new jersey voters in the choices you have in this election. between someone already who's obviously about a tea party attacking, attacking, attacking and hardening of positions as opposed to somebody in the state of a crisis that really reaches out and finds ways to work together. look, i'm the senator right now, and the biggest call to my office is from new jerseyians worried and concerned about this issue.

and so as a result of that, what i've done first and foremost is make sure that after tea party and others look to cut organizations like the c.d.c., that they had their funding. and join with my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to get them $88 million more. on top of that i say we have to hold the people accountable. and i've been talking directly to heads of c.d.c., health and human services, even going out to newark airport to make sure all the policies and procedures are there. and working with the christie administration to make sure our hospitals are prepared and i will be held accountable for keeping us safe. >> the next question goes to mr. booker. mr. booker, the shooting at the canadian parliament complex in ottawa certainly heightened fierce about a homegrown lone wolf terror attack. it's believed the gunman was sympathetic to isis and given

that new york and new jersey are really considered the leading targets for terrorist attacks, how would you make sure that there are adequate resources given to the state to combat terrorism? >> first and foremost, the number one time, the only time in the situation room in the white house was to work on the challenge of homegrown terrorism. and we need to make sure that our agencies that are in charge of protecting us have the resources necessary to do the job and we're being very aggressive about that. that's why i've supported investing especially in new york and new jersey which have been targets in the past making sure that our local law enforcement officials and our state officials have the resources they need and the kind of coordination to stop these attacks. but i want to tell you, i have a worry. i worry right now that while in states like new jersey, we have good laws in place to try to keep guns out of the hands of criminals we still live in a nation where someone who's on a terrorist no-fly list, that we worry about committing terrorist attacks can go down to virginia where my opponent has lived for the last 30 years and go to a gun show and just buy a weapon without background checks. we need to tighten up common sense gun regulations to keep weapons, guns, out of the hands of criminals and terrorists.

we should change these laws as soon as possible. >> mr. bell, your response. >> i'm astounded that anyone would turn this situation in canada into a sermon on gun control. this is a worldwide problem. it is not just a matter of an individual criminal or terrorist. president obama is very reluctant to call things like this acts of terrorism. and that is part of the problem. we have to be honest about what the nature of the problem and the extent of it. and we have to take greater measures to prevent this from happening, to screen more people as they're coming into the country. but more important, it's a worldwide war. and to say that it isn't a war as president obama insists on doing, whether it's the domestic war or what is happening with islamic state, is -- is just unconscionable. we have to be truthful about the nature of the problem and much more active both overseas and here. it's better to do it overseas before it gets here. >> and a quick follow for you,

mr. booker. do you support putting american troops on the ground to fight isis, and if so, would it be for a limited time period or would this be open ended? >> first of all, isis is a real threat and they've been cutting swaths through the middle east and putting in danger ethnic minorities, beheading citizens, doing harsh and horrendous things to women. and they must be stopped. but at the end of the day i disagree with the president that he should have come to congress actually to have an open debate about our commitments to this crisis. i'm a big believer that they must be stopped. but before we rush off to war, let's make sure because we've learned the hard lessons in the past, let's make sure we have an open debate and clear objectives. we have contingency plans because we've seen what happens and how things can go wrong in the past. and let's make sure that we have all the resources we need to do

the job and that our allies are footing some of the bill and bearing some of the burden. america can't just rush off into this. we need to have an open discussion and debate about what the strategy and tactics are. and make sure we're doing this in coordination with our allies and make sure we have a real plan to stop this isis threat. >> mr. bell, your response. >> again, i'm astounded that you would say that the priorities to get the allies to spend money on this. there are no allies who can take the leadership. america has the only 21st century military in the west. and to say that we have to wait for allies to spend money, we have to have a debate in congress concerning that a declaration of war exists. that is what we need to do. we have to have a debate about the strategic objective. not the ways and means, not the type of bombing, not whether troops are ever deployed. some of them already are. but that's irrelevant to the issue of what is our strategic objective. franklin delano roosevelt was a great war president because he knew the situation we were in world war ii the only policy toward the nazis and the japanese empire was

unconditional surrender. our debate should be we have to destroy isis. we have to annihilate them before they annihilate us. which they have consistently threatened to do in beheading our captives. >> our next question comes from mariela saigado and it goes to mr. bell. >> mr. bell, more than 30,000 accompanied minors have traveled into the united states illegally from central america. they claim they're escaping from poverty and from violence. and they are in new jersey and they are in the state and more than 1,500 to be exact are living right now in new jersey. would you support any sort of plan that integrates them in our society, in our schools, since their families have been here already or any plan that would give them temporary or special status for this -- these families and these children? >> we have to be compassionate, mariela, toward those who have

been sent across the border by parents who are desperate. either unaccompanied they came or accompanied by coyotes. but i think it also illustrates the failure of the obama administration on the issue of immigration in general. when the dream act failed to pass, president obama went out and gave an amnesty to young people who would come here with their parents, not of their own accord. and it seemed like an acceptable thing to do in some ways but here two years later we have a national embarrassment and humiliation with this system and this nonsystem we have causing this flight from the south. toward our borders. we have to do everything to change the immigration system, to replace the mess we have now with a legal immigration system that includes both a path to citizenship, for those here illegally, and also a guest worker program for those who want to work here temporarily. president obama pays lip service to this. but he did nothing when he had the majority of votes for immigration in his first two years in office. >> so the state of new jersey

shouldn't wait any more and grant them some special status to these families? is that what you're saying, mr. bell? >> i believe we need to help them. whether you need to legislate a special status or not, i'm agnostic about that. but certainly we can't act as if they are criminals. >> mr. booker. >> thank you very much. i support the comprehensive bipartisan immigration reform that we have seen going on and actually passed through the senate. and it involved people from both sides working together that would have helped so many children in new jersey. i support the dreamers act that again has some bipartisan support that can give those kids who no other country but the united states who have learned from our schools the ability to stay here and contribute to our great economy and our great country. what's really remarkable to me is that my tea party-backed friend already, in this little small debate, just a handful of questions, has shown the kind of attack, slam and slander he is. he says he believes in tea party

militancy. has already mentioned the president and attacked -- i'm counting now seven times already. that's not going to bring us together in washington and move us forward. we need people that don't believe in tea party militancy but come together with people on both sides of the aisle and solve difficult problems like immigration. there's a comprehensive movement going bipartisan, not like my opponent who wants to retrench and actually wrote a book called "the case for polarized politics." we don't need more what's making washington bad. we need people who will bring folks together and move our country forward. >> i would like to answer that because apparently the senator is unaware that i have worked for 10 years for bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform. even working for a latino civil rights organization, la raza. la raza, president, jana magia called president obama the deporter in chief and he is a complete phony in saying that he wants immigration reform and senator booker, not a word of criticism to had complete abdication and failure on his part. i have a track record on working for a bipartisan immigration bill.

i even -- i was filmed in the office of senator ted kennedy in 2007 working on that. it's really silly to say that i am a phony on that. >> mr. booker. >> sir, i had the privilege of meeting ted kennedy and no two further apart politicians than ted kennedy and my opponent. and i have a simple belief. someone tells you who they are believe them. if they look like a duck and quack like a duck, then believe they're a duck. this is a guy who is supported by the tea party. this is a man who actually wrote a book called "the case for polarized politics." if we send him down to washington, he's not going to be involved in bipartisan coalitions. he himself has told us, i believe in tea party militancy. that means digging in, don't compromise, the kind of shut down government problems that we've had. america's had enough of that. it's time for people to come together and work on solutions to our problems. >> i thought the whole point of working with people who are different idea logically is to bring them together on things they can agree on.

but i guess senator booker has a different definition of bipartisanship. >> and gentlemen, we're going to have to move on. the next question comes from matt friedman and goes to mr. booker. matt. >> senator, this is a good segue into this because with the congressional inaction on immigration, president obama had planned to issue major executive order to overhaul the system, as much as he could by the end of the summer. but amid pleas from democrats, who are locked in tough races this year, they feared voter backlash and president obama delayed action until after the midterm elections. do you agree with president obama's decision to delay action on that executive order? >> absolutely not. the president was wrong. the president should have stood up and made the call to do whatever he could to advance what's right for america. you know, i've spent the last years travel all around my state while my opponent was working in a think tank in washington for

the last 30 years. and when i talk to people both business folks as well as people in the community, they understand that we have a problem. whether it's people who come to our schools and graduate from our universities, as soon as their student visa is up we are kicking them out when they want to contribute to our economy or young kids being denied access to citizenship even though they spent pretty much their entire lives here. we have an urgent immigration issue. there should be no waiting for politics. i didn't support the president's decision. and i will continue to go to washington to work to bring people together to make sure that we in a unified way solve this problem. >> senator, no one is going to come together if the president threatens unilateral executive action. it's just not going to happen. you pay lip service to bipartisanship, but you've just advocated something that would completely foul the immigration debate. having the president do everything by executive action which he's not constitutionally entitled to do which would drive republicans and everyone else in congress away from the table. you talk a good game on bipartisanship but that answer shows that you really don't mean it.

>> may i respond to that, please? this is a typical tea party cry. attack obama, attack obama, attack obama and call him king obama for all the executive orders he's done. if you look at the numbers, president obama is doing less executive orders than other presidents from jimmy carter to ronald reagan to even george bush. again, this is exemplary of what he does. he's part of a movement that is going to be slamming and slandering and not stopping that madness and finding ways to bring people together to work together to find solutions. we've had enough of that in washington. his book tells you that. the title of it is "the case for polarized politics." we don't need more gridlock in washington. we need to work together and solve our problems. >> polarization is sometimes a public service because it enables voters to see the

difference between two points of view. that's the sense in which i think polarization is sometimes good. >> let's go on to jonathan tamari for mr. bell. >> governor christie said he's tired of hearing about the minimum wage and later said the focus should be on creating better and higher paying jobs. democrats have been saying they want to give a raise to 3.3 million people who earn the minimum wage or less. the federal minimum wage has been $7.25 an hour since 2009. should it be increased? >> it's a bad time to do that because the openings are so limited. the young people here, particularly high school graduates, will be priced out of that market. just the other day, i read about mcdonald's which is having a significant decline in profitability because of the prospective minimum wage increase will go to technology to replace low wage workers. that's counterproductive in a very, very difficult job market. >> mr. booker. >> my opponent says a bad time to do what's right. i've talked to people in our state and i've heard from them. heard from a guy who lost his job, had a good minimum wage

job, lost -- lost his job and now is working -- you had a good job and now lost the job working for a minimum wage job trying to support his family. it's a good time for him to raise the minimum wage now. talk to people at county college who are trying to go to school, work a full-time job and making the minimum wage and they can barely afford to make ends meet because they work a full-time job and are still under the poverty line. it's a good time to do it for that person. and what about that single mom who's working double shifts because in new jersey, when you work a full-time job, at the minimum wage, it in no way is enough to meet the minimum basic needs of her family. it is a good time to raise the minimum wage. we are america. nobody should work full-time and find themselves under the poverty line, having to go to food banks and rely on public assistance just to make ends meet. it is a good time to do the right thing. in fact, it always is. >> that is typical of why we have a jobless recovery. the minimum wage, even if you like it, is redistribution.

it takes money from one sector and gives it to another. it has nothing whatsoever to do with fixing the economy and creating new jobs. >> let's look at some statistics as long as we're talking about jobs. the jobless rate in new jersey is 6.5%. which is .6% higher than the national average. but newark's jobless rate is 11.3%, camden's is 14.3%. and i think most experts, and you probably would agree, to say that the jobless rates are really much higher than that because of all the people who have stopped looking for work. economic recovery or not, jobs tops the list of most voters' lists of concerns. what kind of program would you support or for that matter create to bring jobs to new jersey? >> well, it's not what i would do but what i've been doing for last 11 months is working hard on that fundamental idea. is how do we get people back to work in new jersey? that's why i fought to support our community colleges with programs now bringing back millions of dollars to link them

actually to industry and to jobs that exist. when i go around and talk to manufacturers, and other businesses here, one of the biggest things they tell me is hey, we don't have link -- links to qualified leadership. we need everything from machinists to other technical positions. and so bringing back resources to train our workers for today's jobs is so important. i've talked to businesses that sate biggest inhibitor to growth for them is often access to capital or making that happen. i've talked to some of our major industries and they say one of the biggest problems we have is a tax rate that's not low and fair and puts them on competitive footing. and i've been working with others across the aisle to lower our corporate tax rate. and finally, we've been doing everything possible to make sure that we have a fair economic policy in this state. that means that a woman that works a full-time job and does a same job as a man gets the same way. these are things that would help drive our economy because when consumers have resources, we can grow our demand and grow our middle class from -- grow our economy from the middle class out. >> mr. bell. >> everything that was just mentioned involves an expansion

of government programs. some of them may be good programs. but we've had six years of trying to stimulate the economy from 2008 to 2014 by increased spending, printing more money, the economy hasn't been stimulated. we don't have as many full-time jobs today as we had at the end of the recession. there's a few more part-time jobs. this is not growth. this is not stimulus. it is failed. and he agrees with president obama's approach. spend more government money and print more money to fund that spending. and it hasn't worked. and if you want to try something different then you're going to have to vote for me. >> are you saying that we are not in the midst of an economic recovery? >> it's a jobless recovery. the g.d.p. has gone up lambert but it's the weakest recovery in economic history and the reason is that small business hasn't been able to expand because of the federal reserve's zero interest rate policy which is

going on for six years in which president obama wants to continue indefinitely along with the fed chairman. that is the single biggest reason why small business can't expand. the banks, the little banks that normally lend to them are on the sidelines because they can't make any money, even with a good loan. >> and my next question is for mr. bell. and piggybacking on jim's question about jobs i want to turn our attention now to atlantic city. we know that a third of the casinos there have closed. many of them are nearly bankrupt. nearly 8,000 jobs have been lost. what will you do to create more jobs in southern new jersey and to make sure atlantic city thrives once again? >> the first thing we have to do is stop the hemorrhaging and i'm totally opposed to the idea of having a casino in northern new jersey. having another casino or a set of casinos will solve no problems and it will make everything in atlantic city worse. we need to have atlantic city remain at least for the state of new jersey a destination.

that's why i don't favor sports gambling on the internet. if we're going to have sports gambling, if it's upheld in the courts it should be only in atlantic city and perhaps a few racetracks. we have to stop the hemorrhaging. i was in atlantic city two days ago at a forum that senator booker chose not to attend. and the whole idea of starting businesses and diversifying, there's a cup put on top of that, a cap that says you can't start a business without enormous problems of regulation, taxation, permits, and you can't get the bank loans, the lines of credit needed, especially for a new business. that's the first thing we have to solve. atlantic city and the rest of new jersey are suffering heavily from a national problem. >> mr. booker, what will you do to create more jobs? >> thank you. and i disagree with my opponent and the first thing we need to do is stop the hemorrhaging by opposing a casino in the north that's past discussion stages. help the people in atlantic

city. months and months before the casino closes i sat down with the republican mayor of that town, born in the federal department of labor and others to say if these casinos should close let's be proactive. and make sure that we get grants to help those folks to bridge and train to other jobs. let's make sure we help our veterans that are involved in some of these layoffs. to get those special programs that veterans can get. you see, my opponent says he opposes federal government intervention. well, if that's the case, why is he going to washington? i'm going to washington to bring back resources to help people like the folks in atlantic city. and i believe that some of the things that can help them are us investing in infrastructure again. that's why i support improvements to the atlantic city airport that will bring people there and make it more easily for people to travel. i've worked with republican governor christie on this. as well as the airlines. i believe in doing things for south jersey like expanding patco, light rail that will bring lots of business and economic growth. it's smart strategic solution that is always begin with first and foremost having a senator that's going to be there for people in trouble.

>> it may be in the discussion phase, and only in the discussion phase, but will you support a casino in north jersey? >> under no condition will i support a casino in northern new jersey if it will undermines or hurts atlantic city. >> that's a subjective -- >> no. >> judgment. >> the reason i say it's not a judgment is there are some people that saying that atlantic city could share in some of that revenue. so before i make a universal recommendation against something the key thing here is to help atlantic city. that city is a great new jersey city. >> one more time. will you support a casino in north jersey? >> i will not support a casino in northern new jersey if it hurts atlantic city period. >> do you support legalized sports gambling in new jersey? >> i'm with the governor on this. right now, it helps to bring revenue in the state. this is an illegal activity that's been going on for a long time. let's regulate it, tax it, and get the benefit here in new jersey. >> mariela saigado, a question for mr. booker. >> going back to immigration new

york city announced a municipal i.d. card for undocumented residents, to bring them out of the shadows so they have a better relationship with police and they get some small benefits from the city. would you support a single federal i.d. card system for undocumented families? >> i do not like the idea of a universal i.d. card. the social security card is close to being that. but i think it's making a big mistake to go in that direction. especially with the surveillance obama administration and earlier. i do think that that is an illustration of why we need to attack the whole problem at once. comprehensive immigration reform. that erects a legal system to replace the illegal system and the mess that we have now is the only way. those little steps like new york city, i wouldn't necessarily repeal it. but it isn't the answer. the answer has to be negotiation between republicans and democrats in a serious effort to achieve comprehensive immigration reform in the next congress. >> mr. booker.

>> right now, we've driven undocumented immigrants into the shadows. and it hurts actually american citizens. i've talked to mayors from patterson to camden that have stories about immigrants being victimized by crime because criminals think let's prey on those people. because they're not going to go to the police and report it. we need to have a system that brings folks out of the shadows. that we know who they are. and can work with them on a pathway to citizenship. right now the system we have is unacceptable. and so we need a comprehensive plan to do that. and in order to do that, that plan is going to have to come from washington, d.c. and voters are going to have to make a choice. who can best actually get into the trenches and negotiate and bring people together to bring about that kind of solution? with the tea party has proven time and time again that they are a block toward broad based coalitions for change. my tea party candidate, would make what's wrong with washington worse. i'm going down there to work with my colleagues to find a real solution that -- >> i thought all we needed was an executive order, sir.

>> you don't have to interrupt me when i'm talking. we have to make sure that we have civility back in washington. not the kind of aggressive tea party attacks that we're seeing from my opponent. >> do you support giving them driver's licenses like other states have? >> i would support first and foremost finding a comprehensive system to doing this reform and i think we're on the verge of doing that if we can get the tea party in the house to step down. >> the executive order is what he said is his solution. yes, it is a solution that comes out of washington. but it's something that will completely foul the move for getting this program, this problem out of the way. with a comprehensive solution. i'm a negotiator and worked with liberal democrats to try to achieve immigration reform in the bush years. we failed but it was a major good faith effort. he agrees with president obama that no negotiations are needed. just issue an executive order. that's not my idea of bipartisanship. >> let's move on. >> we have the next question that comes from matt friedman and it is for mr. bell. >> mr. bell, you've spoken out against guy marriage. -- gay marriage.

we've had it for a year now. legal in new jersey. and it's about to be legal or is legal in the majority of states now. do you believe that any harm has come from this? and even though you do support a federal amendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman, do you think that guy marriage's expansion and universality in this country is inevitable given the way the political winds are blowing? >> i don't think anything is inevitable. in a democracy you have to have a debate. new jersey denied that debate. because supreme court judges said this is a civil right, the founders wrote it into the constitution in 1789. that's a ridiculous thing to say. but even aside from that, i think it's -- if you're going to have social change, it's much better to debate it out and have an honest debate and have a vote on it. which governor christie favored. but he was overruled. every new gay marriage state has been imposed by either state or

federal judges. i think that is one of the most unhealthy things i can imagine. and it sets up a repeat of roe v. wade which expanded the abortion issue, prolonged it for over 40 years. it's a terrible idea. and i've been very honest in saying that i believe it's a self-evident truth that marriage includes a husband and a wife. and that's my position. but even worse is the idea of imposing this by unelected judges. >> but do you believe any harm has come out of it now that we've had at least a year -- >> taking the word husband out of the legal definition of marriage is a terrible mistake. especially at a time when we know that intact families, a mother, and a father and kids, that is the greatest income program there is. and it's the greatest anti-welfare program there is. it works. and taking the word husband out is going to just increase the breakup of the traditional family. >> my opponent clearly has different views, not only than me but the majority of new

jerseyians. he wants to take us backwards to a time before roe v. wade and take away a woman's right to make her own medical decisions. he wants to take away the right for two people who love each other to get married and to be together. i'm telling you right now i would not be here right now if the rights of african-americans back in the 1960's were put up to votes for what's best and what's right. fundamental rights are just that. we have a constitution, 14th amendment, that says equal protection under the law. you can't have a law that discriminates against one group in favor of another or discriminates against anyone. we are a nation that is going to get so much further if we understand that we all are equal under the law and need each other to be successful. i'm not going to go to washington or new jersey and demean any group and deny them basic rights. we should let people who love each other have the right to get married. >> next question comes from jonathan tamari for mr. booker.

>> mr. booker, the department of justice hags named 55 colleges under investigation for the way they've handled sexual assault complaints. that includes in new jersey princeton university, some of the stories have been shocking. that have come out. is this an area that congress can influence and should influence and how or is this best left to the institutions? >> well, obviously we have a problem. like we have right now in the nation. colleges and institutions are not doing enough. and i'm tired in this country of us not taking sexual assault and domestic violence as seriously as we should. congress has an obligation to make sure we are seeing fairness and justice play out. and in this case it's not. as you said yourself, these stories are egregious. and so i for one have joined with other of my colleagues, many of whom are on both sides of the aisle, in saying that we must do something about this. and so i'm going to fight for -- against domestic violence and fight against sexual assault. and i'm going to find concrete ways to do it and one example of that is we have a system right

now that while the nba and the -- and major league baseball don't have tax exempt status, a lot of other sports leagues do like the nfl, golf, and others. i want to eliminate that tax exempt stat us and take that savings and invest it in the kind of programs that protect and affirm women's rights. like domestic violence prevention. >> this is the obama-booker vision. which is if anything needs doing, it must be done in washington. and after the last couple of years, when we've had the i.r.s., the c.d.c., the secret service, letting people into the white house, and the director having to resign, all of these institutions failing under president obama whom is senator booker supports in almost every area, and he thinks that even something as obscure as rules in the local colleges will be better handled by washington. of course there's a problem, senator. but don't you think that just once in a while you should let

normal people and local government work it out to the best of their ability? they have a better track record than washington. >> may i answer that question? >> you can respond. >> look, when new jersey residents come to me with a crisis or a problem, i want to foined a way to do something about that. it doesn't always mean legislative actions or things like that but it means having a senator to be there to stand up for people. college campuses have not been dealing with this problem. and so it really hurts me to think that there will be a potentially senator going down to washington with extreme views on women and on gays and others when folks come to him for help to get him involved even if it's picking up a phone and letting the president of the college know this is wrong and we will be watching, i will be one of those united states senators when new jerseyians come to me with a problem, sexual assault, domestic violence, i will step up there and be there for them. >> as we mentioned earlier the candidates have agreed to one round in which they ask each other a question. and we're going to start with mr. booker's question to mr. bell. >> well, i want to stick with

that subject and we keep coming back to. you consistently shown that you want to deny women the freedoms and rights to make their own health care decisions. even in the most extreme cases, somebody is raped or a victim of incest. i want to know and understand, why don't you trust women in those extreme cases when they're victims of such violence and rape to make their own decisions? why do you believe that men like you should tell women what they can do with their bodies? >> certainly women have bodies and i respect that. they need to take care of them and have the right to preserve their bodies. but unborn babies have a body, too, senator. they have a full complement of d.n.a., the human genome, things that we have found out since 1973. cory booker was once a one-cell zygote and normally a one-cell zygote grows up to be a human being and even a u.s. senator which i give you credit for. but i would have a hard time looking a woman in the face and saying even though you became pregnant through a rape you should carry your child to term.

because it has a body. it has its own life. but i would find it even harder to go to the most recent ms. pennsylvania who has worked for rape victims, but who herself was the product of a rape and tell her you don't deserve to live. >> all right. now, mr. bell, you have a question for mr. booker. >> senator, the watershed authority's problems during your administration have been coming up a little more frequently

lately. and i just like to ask you a simple question to clear things up. which is on channel five in new york, last week, you said -- this week actually on wednesday, you said that the $700,000 in six individual payments, $689,000 to be exact, came as a result of -- you took your ownership with you and it was a buyout and they didn't have the money all at once. i ask you, is there a document in writing that specifies what that arrangement is? >> so my opponent has spent a lot of time down in virginia the last 30 years and hasn't been taking attention much and that's why i appreciate him playing catchup now. but he's a big supporter of businesses and so when i was a private citizen, i helped to grow and make a functioning business that actually had a lot of value in it. and so when i was growing to run for mayor i decided i would stem down from that business and take my ownership stake. i agree with my partners that my ownership value would be at a certain amount and it would be a lump sum and they didn't have the lump sum and agreed to pay it over the course of time of and it was verbally as well as a document. >> can you provide it to the public? >> that has private financial information on my partners. >> so you don't think the voters

of new jersey have any right to see a document that gave you $700,000 in annual payments over six years, is there some kind of privilege that you have that the voters do not share? >> no. is there some kind of fruit privilege that you have what i simply say right now if you're looking at levels of transparency of the men no one is ere, getting that. >> my tax returns online annuals are not. >> three years of your tax return sir.

your recent tax returns you only let people see the first two pages. >> meet that level of transparency yourself. >> we've got a lot of ground to cover so let's move on. >> some disturbing distance takes from the bureau institute of justice, the united states represents 4% of the world population, it has 25% of the world's prison population. the united states spends twice as much on prisons than it does on education and the new jersey the state spends 18,600 per public school student. is this fixable and how?

of using t an advocate dollar amounts, this country did have a big success story which is the crying explosion we had in the 60s and 70s and yes and over use of prison might be part of that, but we have to be very careful about letting people who are accused of violent crimes out. those prosecutors don't go to court to get these convictions but i would be very reluctant drug dealer or somebody to plead to a lesser charge even though he was accused of originally other violent crime and to get out scott free. this is an utterly broken over 70% of those

people are non-violent offenders and this is an incredible fell drug war. it's so bad, that only 20% of those people actually get help so what happens when they get released, they end up coming right back. there are commonsense solutions that could relieve taxpayer of the extraordinary burden. we are spending money towards a broken system it is money that should go towards school. it is commonsense reform. when i went to washington i to solve this problem and to design legislation to reduce prison population make our streets safer and better in the dollars or guess what, return it to taxpayers. >> what are the commonsense solutions? >> giving drug treatment to people who actually have addictions and helping them

when they come out. our correction system doesn't correct so there states like mississippi which has been dramatically lowering its prison population and guess what has happened to its crime, crime has gone down, these are the solutions that we can deal with if we work together on the isle. we need to address these issues and save taxpayer dollars and elevate human potential. >> judging by his endorsement, one of those commonsense solutions if he is re-elected is legalisation of marijuana. >> i would love to talk about that.

my opponent doesn't even support the commonsense issue of medical marijuana will be have six people in new jersey you cannot get access to a job that will help their families and their children so i do when examining y pot laws, but not legalising marijuana about helping families in new jersey that are going through terrible trial because they cannot get medical marijuana. it has been slow down and slow walk by administration. >> by governor chrst? >> the federal government in the state that do have marijuana law like colorado washington that we should be dollars that eral are prosecuted because they are abiding by the laws of their estate. -- state. >> i'm going to have to cut you off that because we have to move on.

>> my next question goes on to you, i'd like to give it to the brown.shooting of michael these are reignited tensions in communities with the police and exposed mistrust in the police. they say 64% have frayed little or no confidence in place, what can you do to help bridge that divide? i want to express my sympathies to the men who died, their deaths were tragic and i know their families a morning right now. i stand here right now because our country has made a lot of progress on race, people understand that black or white we don't have different destinies in this country for different group, we have one common destiny, i believe the commonsense things we can do it

in the justice reform that can repair the problem. there are no differences in and juana uses for blacks whites in this country. the reality is blacks are almost 4 times more likely to be arrested for marijuana usage then whites are. these are things we have to have an honest conversation about work together to correct. we live in a nation that has interwoven destiny. i'm going to be working commonsense solutions to make it a fair criminal justice. >> i have to say that i also mourn for those families and and i do think the police have to do a better job of reaching out to the community and in communities where they are not doing that but i'm also worried about the

militarisation of police departments, if that is the best he can do in a way of preventing or stopping crime, i problem, i ve a believe that the police commission of the new york revolution analysed his enforcement with community policing idea, being opposed to the broken windows even though it is a small to much nour it leads bigger consequences and a bigger respect for the law and i believe hands-on pleasing is the way to go rather than tanks and things like that. >> we're going to tighten this up a little bit. if you can co-operate will get a few more questions. >> i want to continue in education if you don't mind, new jersey is one of the worst states when it comes to the achievement gap talking about minorities. 75% of blackening t note students are not proficient when it comes to maths or reading, is anything you can do to close this gap? >> we have to get education back to the state at a local level.

in 1957, the first federal stop vention was going to the missile gap, it had nothing to do with that washington just needed an excuse and the entire period that we've had federal involvement in education, education standards have declined all over the country, now there is a common core program that is going to try put everyone in to a class doesn't stop teachers teaching and instead of legal bribe programs which raced to the top three example bribe massachusetts into dropping higher standards than the common core had or will ever have, we need to decentralise spending, we need to get the federal government.

60 years of a failed experiment is enough, this country develop the first universal education system by means of popular control and experimentation at the state and at a local level, we need to get back to that vision. >> our next question. >> this is my payment you want is backwards, i want to take you forwards. i'm going to washington to the problem, this means investing in universal preschool -- i have an interrupted you let me finish my question . finish my 60

seconds, we need a person than in washington who is going to fight for our kids. things i e biggest hear from folks is college education so from universal preschool all the way to want ge this is the way i to go to washington but to make sure we are investing in the things that matter to new jersey. >> if we could keep our responses to about 30 seconds. our next question comes from mr booker. federal authorities are investigating new our watershed agency probably for allegedly illegal payments to its former executive director.

you said you try to eliminate the agency arena in at the time you didn't attend any of its board meetings i was wondering if you feel any responsibility for letting us get out of hand? >> i took responsibility straightaway. we try to getrid of it in other but it kept failing. problems but it kept failing. we turned over to the authorities and told them they could should investigate. to work ontinue aggressively whether, as i did when i was maher to root out the problem and try and solve them like i did. >> mr bell, how long did you know about the scandal before you disclose it to the public? i knew about it in a matter of moments. >> or write our next question comes from mr bell. >> we talked earlier in this debate about gun laws and your

about the second amendment. there is opposition from the republicans and democrats praise and if these bills cannot pass what other steps to address that violence? >> i think it can be dressed with the crease penalties for those who use firearms in the commission of a crime and i think that is a much more successful approach. gun amendment was defeated, and i think it was defeated because a lot of veterans will be deterred from seeing psychologist because having received psychological care was under some interpretations would have been

an inability to have weapons in the cause of self defence so, having these and washington more involved and deterring people from seeking psychiatric help when they helped would be one of those consequences i'm afraid. >> over 90% of gun owners and people in our state believe that we should have comprehensive background checks to prevent people from getting their hands on weapons and from preventing spouse abusers. lives in ent who virginia, the state with the most illegal weapons on the streets. >> mr booker a question for you your opponent ran against bradley in 1978, this is the only debate that you have agreed to, why so stingy?

>> one way, debates a good way to get it out. you we want to get directly to the is playing opponent catch up, he just moved back into the state in january and february has now been trying to run around the state trying to know the problems of our community. >> mr bell? >> i hear a lot of specific mr brooke put to saying he has by meetings, meetings with sympathetic meetings but you don't know if he is in the lot no because he's had a of southjersey with a lot of meetings. a substitute for

him actually debating the issues. >> you have lived in virginia for the past 31 years and just his past year you rented home in another area. how can you convince voters to vote view? -- for you? >> the reason is i couldn't get anyone in congress to take up this disastrous zero interest rate policy at the federal reserve and moved to a different policy, the wills of all of the system and the fed is running ul it

our entire economy. >> i agree with them is presumptuous to come back and one on a single issue that is to the gold ca back standard. >> okay. >> i'm sorry have to stay the vanity issues about the stagnation in our economy. i have a solution. >> we have reached the end of our question and answer section and is now time to the candidate's clothing section. >> i really want to thank the voters and the moderators and the reporters, i think it's been a lively discussion and i to thank senator booker

for his discussions and above all i want to thank the rates of new jersey, yes i did consider it somewhat presumptuous but the voters of new jersey have shown that they are open-minded and willing to listen to an idea that is off the charts and neglect in by isions about it, not taking a headcount, or saying that it is an old system but by listening to the merits fors and ning to the against it. i am proud of my record and happy that i came back to the would of new jersey and i really incredibly grateful to the people of new jersey for hearing me out. >> i want to thank the sponsors are moderates as well, there is a clear choice for the voters in new jersey.

before going back to programs that will broken were going forth to the programs of prosperity. taking away a woman to make a medical decision, equal work on take the he wants to government back and making college more affordable and he wants to go back to make the federal government to stop investing in things that we know we need investment in. and he wants to take us back to a 19th-century idea that is defunct and debunked universally. i want to take us forward and i don'twant to be a tea party person. work with everyone

altogether to bring us forward as a state and i hope i get a to be your senator again. thank you like to for watching. >> i'm jim gardner, thanks again for watching and we leave you from the league of women voters of new jersey. >> on the half of the league i would like to thank you for watching today's debate. you are helping to preserve and protect our democracy. be sure to vote on tuesday, november 4.

>> election date is tuesday as he span has more than 100 debates from house, senate and races from around the country. on c-span.org you can see a schedule of the debates happening. follow us on twitter and like c-span on facebook. one of the debates we were covering on louisiana state race. if none of the candidates wins a majority in the base the top two finishers will face a run-off in the following month.

>> part of the first generation of americans who may not achieve the same standard of living as their parents, that is a very frightening concept, what is the role of government if any to ensure economic prosperity from my generation have a future generation? >> actually it is senator lander first. >> first of all i think that is a legitimate concern and that's one of the things i work hardest on in washington is trying to lift the economic power of our country. i'm in a particularly great position right now the half the people of louisiana to help create millions of high-paying jobs so that your generation can benefit. i'm excited to be at lsu where we have science technology firm then and women and minorities as well.

i think access to education is important and my opponent refuses to sign onto a bill to lower interest rates on student loans. double t sign a bill to the opportunity for programs students that cannot afford to. >> government doesn't create jobs and if it does those are the jobs you don't wanna have, the greatness of our american economy comes from the american people not from the government government gets in the way. if the present would just allow it to be permitted would create jobs and better benefits. searches done everything

in our power but it just mean she is not very powerful. those in the t lower area of income areas the obama cat laws hammered them. out of the way, to get better job. >> well the main thing is senator lander is to push president l of obama's anti-energy appointment. i've been talking to small owners all over that

and every one of them has been given the same message, you've got to do away with obama care we cannot afford the restrictions and we cannot afford the new fees and we afford the new taxes. that is hurting the economic spectrum and that is what obama care was meant to help with. we can lead america to energy independence and that is what we should be doing louisiana across-the-board. drill baby drill. >>at 9 o'clock prompt buffalo for weight debate. debate from new hampshire running anne shaheen is against scott brown.

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>> i'm jennifer works and welcome. this debate will last an hour more features several sections featuring broad topical round sions and lightning with quick answers. the members have come from the staff and from the members of the public the members will also have a chance to question each other. before winning his party's nomination in the second district this year, the democratic candidate is emily she's a state candidate, she is married and lives in orono. the independent in the raise is blaine richardson.

he is retired navy officer and is married. welcome to you all. we want to devote about five or six minutes total to each of those subjects, we want you to articulate your opinion and your position and also your differences from one another. we determined the order earlier and emily cain you will go first. >> maine's overall unemployment rate has fallen but it is higher than that in several counties in the second district for example in washington unemployment rate is 7.9%. voters say the economy is the number one issue, how can you

as a representative in congress help grow the economy and add jobs to the second district? >> thank you jennifer am so glad to be here tonight. we need an economy mean that works for everyone and that means we have to work with business and education and government to find solution. we took that the unemployment rate being late that's not how it feels across a second district is specially with the announcement of the layoffs. what those families are going through right now it is heartbreaking and still scary and it is causing economic anxiety across the district. are bright spots however when we talk to and listen to real business owners across the state. senator king and i met with cathy lehnert the owner of the business, she is growing a

business in maine's textile and fire resistant fabric and turning into a business for the 21st century by combining research the lopment and work from government state program, something that i've worked to support over the years and she is coupling that with a traditional industry support for her workers and an international market. she is the right kind of business leader i will be listening to and working with when i build the economy. in my role as house chair i am the only one in this race had who has worked across the aisle to lower taxes to small and the main families and to cut more than billion in state spending.

that is the kind of leadership that we need that focuses on main businesses and main leadership and knows how to work across the aisle. >> and blaine richardson how can you help grow the economy and the second district? >> it is a truly sad problems drive through the second a park bench re is and mill site that used to be got and in 17 i when i back to main, there were mills there were tanneries there were shoe stores there were shut factories and it is all gone. we have recently had mill closures. problem here in maine is energy, and the frustrating part of it is that we are in between where the energy is going down to massachusetts and canada where the gas and cheap are, we have not been

able to get the state to go off the limitation that would allow a kilowatt to get into main we have also spent millions of dollars in pipe lines here and in.cannot get the gas are fighting to keep may appoint open but in order to keep that we need federal dredging and environmental laws are getting in the way of the dredge material that would be removed. we also have the potential to bring in the east-west highway in that he is caught, very huge i'm all i can say is that the we're nottrying to get

i-95 route. the number of jobs, you it ldn't be able to estimate husbandry, andling, root container repairs and the fuel and trucking, it just goes on and on but we never seem to get over the environmental hurdles at a federal level and we cannot seem to get anything moving through the legislator, government right now is a huge problem for main it has its heavy imprint on the ything that we do in state of maine, and we need to get that some listed off and i commit myself to doing and washington, these agencies are out of control.

>> bruce, the same question to you. a third generation mainer, my dad was a schoolteacher my mum was a nurse. i remember when i was much younger and the folks that i grew up with in central maine, if they showed up on time worked hard a lot of the time you get a job. my mum made some of the finest shirts in the mail. that has now closed. i worked the night shift at the that has now and closed. so, what is going on.

i have one sign that i've raised since he was in diapers and we are very close, he has just graduated out of college and has got a job. it took him two years to get his job. he worked some internships and occasion and tmas spring break to get the break that he wanted. something is going wrong. what happens in washington has a huge impact on your state. washington and career politicians who have never created a job before, the last washington and career politicians who have never created a job before, the last five years have spent $1.1 trillion more from taxes. now we have a $17 trillion debt. the interest payments on that -- debt are spiking.

we also drive up the price of energy instead of driving it down. we have three mills have just closed. 1000 good paying jobs of benefits, my heart goes out to these folks and become the and in each case one of the key reasons was the cost of energy, so we need to make sure we get our spending under control. we have lower energy prices and then a regulatory environment is predictable. if we do that we have a flood of investment in our country, there will be more jobs for kids to make it, they'll be more jobs around america and

i'm the only candidate who has 35 years of real experience growing the economy and growing jobs, my opponents do not. > the second question, we many homes in maine rely on heating oil and will face monthly fuel bills, what is your energy's strategy to help main businesses compete and money in people keep their pockets. >> right now about 50% of our oil reserve is under control federally owned land and there's really no constitutional provision for the federal government owning any property let alone most of states, stern united

aving said that, oil has come oil has come down, i believe $80 a barrel today which is good news and gases come down that trend with will continue, the last week and a half the stock market has launched over $1 trillion in value but there are certainly things we can do, get the epa out of the way of the pipeline from canada to the gulf of mexico, we have pipelines everywhere, we have a fuel pipeline to the air force base. using these tart pipelines wiser, unfortunately we are dependent on oil but however a lot of people have been converting to propane and the mini split technology is incredible but the problem we have been main with energy,

we have the oldest housing stock in the country so we waste a lot of heat just living in these older homes, but clearly getting the government business and ergy right now that gas production and whatnot has increased because of private land ownership in pennsylvania and oil fields that were previously owned all getting drilled. what is pollock when your strategy -- poliquin. if you sat on the river you needed it at the sharp, now we an awfully long way to clean up our environment and we need to carry on down that path.

i am also of the belief that quality-of-life equals a pay to make sure have increase the production of all forms of energy here in america, clean natural gas in america for example. you increase the supply of that energy, you drive down the down the en you drive priceyou help create more jobs also it will be less expensive for our families to heat their homes, less expensive to pave their electric bills and less-expensive to buy gasoline at the pump. now my opponent this cane and not agree on this -- miss not agree on this.

we have already seen made three of our mills closed because of the high cost of energy to run the equipment. disagree with miss caine who believes we should not complete the keystone pipeline. the safeguards we need, we should approve the pipeline to make sure that we our energy some of from canada and from the gulf coast to help jobs being created. pain at miss caine has voted almost 70% of the time against small businesses and small businesses are the backbone of our economy here in maine. how can you vote against them represent them in congress?

we just disagree, it is nothing personal and i think it is very important to the voters to understand how different opinions and views on this, my life experience professionally has been creating jobs with 35 years. my opponent has no experience is not a jobs, it personal attack, it is a fact. need to increase energy costs. what ank you, emily cain is your strategy. >> festival cruise is okay to call me emily were going to be spending a lot of time together to call me emily. it's great to be here with all issue comes nergy

down to me, i was talking to my neighbour and she said i have to keep my house at 57 or winter because otherwise i won't be able to afford to fill the oil tank. think about that. 57 in the whole winter in maine when it is -10 for assistance to be at home in extra sweaters and blankets, that is not okay, that is a tragedy. it is stories like that and people going through this economic challenges that are at the top of my mind. i'm proud to have supported the regional greenhouse initiative. it has saved more than $250 million in energy costs. going, i where we are

think about students in the wind tech program, they want to be the guys that climb the towers and fix the windchimes. one of them that said i like high ing things are really and i like the idea of having a job here in maine that is also about clean renewable energy. that is the kind of future we need for our state. we need to make sure that we are taking steps to expand access to natural gas for right now but we also need to make sure that the long run we are investing in renewable sources that will now state create jobs. things that will really make a difference in the long run, as a member of congress my focus will be the same as has been for the last 10 years to lower

the cost of energy firm maine families and main businesses. i have the skills to work across the aisle to make sure it can be done. >> most of the provisions of the affordable care act including the health care exchanges have now been in place for a year so we are getting a chance to see how they work in the marketplace, would you make changes to the affordable care act? and if so what would they be? >> first of all there's been a that was rtunate event announced today about 3300 of will now be mainers losing the health insurance policies because of obama. obamacare. pressure utting undue

in munich communities and businesses and one of the issues we are seeing under obama care is that mums and responsible for their kids are losing their health care plans like the 3300 that were announced today. these folks are losing their insurance are losing them through the small businesses who employ them. last year roughly 10,000 individuals lost their health insurance so it is just not have a nnifer, when you large corporation that has been given waivers from the obama care mandate but you have small businesses and individuals in name who are losing their health insurance as a result of that. my son sam is asthmatic and he was diagnosed when he was aged three, it is critically important for our family to sure sam was insured by

our health insurance policy and to stay with his paediatrician and it is just not fair that families are losing their doctors and their health insurance plans were other folks are receiving waivers. of this would le be, there is one of our terrific employers up in surrey called west map and they make high-end books and they are to reflect company. -- terrific compnay. because of the backlog that to reach they wanted the employees they would then come under the expensive mandate of the obama care and it would be too expensive for they cannot get that

so there are parts of the affordable care act that are killing jobs were example when you reach that 50 worker threshold you have to apply and comply with those expensive mandates and if you work 30 hours or more per week you also come under the expandable obama care network. they are cutting back lot of workers working below 30 hours a week. my opponent miss caine was responsible for implicating obama care in maine. this does not fit with what is going on in maine, it is not right, it's hurtful to our family and it is killing jobs so we need to change the parts

of obama care that are killing jobs and keep the things that work like making sure that folks can be insured for a pre-existing conditions. i disagree with my parent who has a very extreme view which make miting mums that health care choices for their kids. >> emily caine would you change anything? >> let's start with the affordable care act that was rolled out a year ago was a a lot of and it caused frustration, and put people up in an inferior position as they try to navigate the problem. it is a complicated system. the congressmen been doing to try and fix it, trying to vote to take it out and that is not the solution.

what requires is a leader that is willing to take into those challenges. two years ago that under maine's health-insurance you cannot be covered for your cancer treatments if you required your chemo therapy in the form of the pill rather than intravenously and this is costing people thousands of dollars a month. i spent two years working on that bill, working with the families and working with patients and working with insurance companies to move it through the legislator, it took time, we could have just given up but that is not leadership act to ignore those sort of problems and is then after two we passed that dell and this year on august 1 paying s that have been

it will s of dollars, cost them considerably less. that is life changing and life-saving. when it comes to the affordable care act we have to go back to it says is clearly not working for small businesses and large businesses like it should but in order to fix those problems you have to have experience getting to those tough policies and working across the aisle to find a solution. >> blaine richardson would you make changes to the affordable care act? >> you bet i would, i would appeal it. you heard from bruce, the in the details, when

the average income is $21-$24,000 in the second district policies that are now have $5-$6000 deductible. people are not going to use these insurance policies, it is an absolute problem, it needs to be simple. if it was a good programme it would have gone off well, we wouldn't have had the computer problems and they still have the computer problems but unfortunately it is not on the radar screen any more because of ebola and the world issues that are occurring but it is as soon as possible and is going to take down our economy. make no mistake there is a to l solution here and it is make private healthcarethrough insurance companies, the receiver and the provider and get the federal government out of the insurance business.

everybody has their finger in health care, you look at the insurance company they have of dollarsin real estate which doesn't fix an asthmatic child. the whole thing just blew up and is now out of control but there is no way we want to go to a federal system. we can now see they cannot handle ebola. the federal government is not the answer and i sure don't want them in charge of my healthcare. >> blaine richardson thank you and that concludes the first section of our debate we will take a quick break and be right back. welcome back. this part of the debate, this next segment features your questions. these are questions submitted by the general public and we want to thank everyone that submitted questions. to start with emily caine.

from said question is in bangor: >> thank you jennifer this ebola crisis is scary and frightening and i am worried about my friends and family who may be travelling across the country and is very clear to me that the obama administration has not done enough. it is very clear to me that they are not ready and we are behind the ball when it comes people are re getting the treatment that they need.

we need to make sure that we stop the spread of ebola in its tracks and we also need to up the screening of the airports, is the right thing to do to make sure we stop it now before it spreads and get worse and it is very scary and it is something i'm keeping a very close eye on. >> what should the government be doing? >> clearly there is no leadership in this issue which are greatly concern every citizen, this is a deadly virus who you are are what race you are what station in life you are and how much money you have. it is 70 to 90% of fatal. the federal government have resisted having a solution for this virus.

they wanted to push photocall for infectious diseases and there was a lot of pushback from the hospital associations and i saw that on fox news today and i find that a little alarming. if nothing else a little elitists. had polio and survived. the solution is not going to clearly come from the federal government they have no protocol, the story keeps changing. >> thank you. bruce watch the government be doing to prevent the spread of ebola? >> this is a very serious issue and i agree with my opponent, it's a deadly disease and the ly infection and administration has dropped the ball on this. some very serious issues that we are facing in

this country when it comes to this disease i believe that we must absolutely stop the travel coming from west africa, where these infected individuals are coming from and do everything we can to help them over their cure this but also we must our borders, this becomes a health but not only national security issue but a health issue. this is where i differ from miss caine. this is our country and we need to control our borders so we who is coming in. we just disagree on that. i do believe we should give amnesty to folks who are here illegally. you asked ou jennifer for it responds on ebola and you got a political response. do not support amnesty, i

do support the opportunity for here who were not brought by their parents to have the opportunity to earn citizenship and get an education and have the american dream. it is a serious question and it should not go on to being a personal attack. >> i am 91 years old and i don't know what i'll do without social security, i do hear about the candidates talking about the program that will help protect americans? to first of all, i get

washington rest assured we will find a way to fund social security for the individuals that have paid into it, i want to be very clear it is not an entitlement for those individuals to pay into it it is something they invested in and they have every expectation to have that promise met by the federal government, having said that younger generations we a strategy for them. i don't trust my government and they took the money out of the lockbox and i don't believe they will put the money back in. strategy, develop a an investment strategy, of form the individual to make a savings account or a portfolio that will allow them of the control is there federal government, clearly congress has demonstrated that with are not responsible their citizens money and i can promise -- >> thank you. >> this is a very good question, j when i'm in congress you will have someone who understands this issue very well and will protect the medicare curity and

benefits. my mum she fell and broke her shoulder and she also relies on social security. we need to make sure there are no changes in medicare or social security benefits. you paid into this, you are counting on it, and i will protect it. however, we need to have a serious adult discussion with our younger generations. is 24. we need to make sure we save sam will programs so have those benefits. , supportst, ms. cain obamacare. obamacare has cut $716 billion from medicare to help fund the program. how can we trust her to make sure we protect social security? >> what is your answer to jane

issues that we've had during the