medicare benefits. my mum she fell and broke her shoulder and she also relies on social security. we need to make sure there are no changes in medicare or social security benefits. you paid into this, you are counting on it, and i will protect it. however, we need to have a serious adult discussion with our younger generations. is 24. we need to make sure we save sam will programs so have those benefits. , supportst, ms. cain obamacare. obamacare has cut $716 billion from medicare to help fund the program. how can we trust her to make sure we protect social security? >> what is your answer to jane

in farmington, concerned about social security? >> thank you for that question. retireainer deserves to with dignity in our state. that means we have to do more to protect and strengthen social security and medicare. one of the best ways we can strengthen social security is by growing our economy. wage, ande minimum i'm the only candidate who supports that, we will pour billions into our system. when we achieve equal pay for equal work when women in the second district are only receiving $.78 on the dollar -- we can cut the shortfall in social security. when it comes to medicare we need to do common sense things, like i have done in the state legislature. we saved medicaid $4 million a year by allowing generic drug use. if medicare were allowed to negotiate prescription drug prices like the v.a. we would save billions. those are the common sense

approaches i will bring to the table. >> third question, from ron. first, bruce poliquin. he writes, "the united states trade representative is currently negotiating agreements with a large group of pacific rim nations and the european union. these are being negotiated in secret, but some text has been leaked. would you support the provisions expected to be in these agreements that would allow foreign corporations to sue national, state, or local governments for passing legislation creating so-called barriers to trade such as environmental protections, certainly for loss, or by y"?rican -- bu >> i will tell you my opinion. having spent 35 years growing the economy and creating jobs, it is incredibly important that we have free trade. farmers or mill workers in maine

trying to sell products overseas -- we need to make your those markets are open to them. we also need to make sure we're competing on a level playing field. that means making sure companies can compete and workers can compete. let me give you an example. one of our terrific companies is wyman's of maine. they process blueberries. they opened a new plant, but not in washington county. it is a cannery on prince edward island. the reason is that the tax rate is 31% in canada, but it would be 51% in maine. that difference does not create a level playing field. we need a level playing field to make sure we can compete with the rest of the world. , would you like me to review the question? >> we need fair trade deals that put american workers first and

protect american jobs and allow us to compete on a level playing field. the reality of the free trade that bruce poliquin supports, for maine that has meant we have exported jobs and imported unemployment checks. i am tired of it. negotiating the deals in secret is just code for making sure they are not in the best interest of the american economy. it is wrong. we need to make sure there is transparency. onave stood up in particular the kid safe product act, to get toxic chemicals out of kids toys. toxic chemicals that we cannot see or taste, out of our water and environment. ofy are harming the health children and families. we have to put a stop to them at the state level. the only way is to stop the exporting of american jobs.

>> blaine richardson, would you like me to repeat the question? >> i am incensed that it is being done in secret. number two, that foreign entities would be given any preference under our constitution. clearly both parties, republican nafta and theown other free trade agreements we have. when you look around the maine countryside, that's where the jobs went. the free-trade agreements did not work in our favor and killed maine companies. the shoe companies left. the mills left. the canneries left. free-trade has never worked in our favor, and at the end of the day when people are making these secret agreements, they are the only ones who will benefit. worker, the american

worker, cannot tolerate amnesty and 14 million people coming in when we have foreign entities taking out jobs away. i cannot stand it. the second district is dying as a result of nafta and free-trade. >> this is another section of the debate when you can ask each other a question. each of you will be able to ask one question. you will have 20 seconds, so please keep it brief. there will be a chance for a short rebuttal. emily, you are first. is well known and well documented that you own 10 acres of oceanfront property worth almost $2 million off the coast of maine. called one of the most viable pieces of property in our state. but in 2010 you bent the rules and use a tax loophole to pay only $21 in property taxes on that 10 acre oceanfront property.

to theyou explain that working men and women who right now are getting property tax bills and are not sure how they will afford to pay them? >> thank you for the question. my opponent is airing false allegations about my record when it comes to taxes. i'm in the real estate business and i have been in the real estate business longer than emily has been in maine. i have real estate property throughout the state and i have always paid all my taxes in full. if you could property ms. caine is talking about, i paid thousands in taxes, and she knows it. but what happens in these campaigns, i'm trying to make contrasts between her record and what i would do representing you in washington. and she levels personal attacks. that's what happens when you get career politicians.

they don't like to defend the record, killing jobs. i think it is disingenuous and she should take the attack ads down because they are false. >> would you like to rebut that? >> that's the facts. if you want to compare attack ads you can look online, maybe even airing on another channel right now and see the ads mr. poliquin has evidence me have been called vile and disingenuous. i'm the only one in this race who voted and negotiated to lower taxes for maine people, lowered energy costs, and made sure we made health care more affordable. i stand by my record, and i'm plowed to have served the people of maine for the past 10 years. >> i want to make this very clear to emily and her agents. i have always paid all my taxes all the time in full. what you just heard, and i hope

everybody in the second district is listening to this, she is taking credit for reducing taxes. one of the things she says is that during the governor's first budget in 2011 she negotiated the largest tax cut in state history. that's completely false. she negotiated against the tax cuts included in the budget, and once she did not have the votes in the legislature passed the budget, she came out publicly and said, i hate those tax cuts. against is negotiating them, which included by the way ners,0 of the poorest mai she negotiated against them and is now trying to take credit for them because she is running for congress. the people of maine are sick and tired of the spin. emily -- >> could you respond in a few seconds? >> the difference between bruce and i is i was in the room, at the state house late at night

working on that budget. verythe objections publicly of my own party and my own caucus. it was a difficult budget, and i am proud to have protected health care for more than 28,000 people while at the same time lowering taxes for middle-class families, lowering classes -- taxes for business. >> lane richardson, your chance to ask one of your opponents a question. >> ok. last 15 yearsy here in maine i built 11 custom signed a lot of paychecks on the front and created a lot of jobs. carpenter jobs, roofing jobs, foundation jobs. i'm curious, bruce. you always talk about how many jobs you created. how many jobs have you created? >> i have been in the private sector growing the economy and treating jobs for 35 years.

one software company iran had 43 employees. one pension investment company had 85 employees. the aviation business had about a dozen employees. so forth and so on. it's important that we recognize the most important issue in the second district is jobs. i'm the only individual who has a record of creating jobs in the state and elsewhere. we need to make sure that we get it right in washington, because we are so tied to washington appear in maine. we need folks who are not career politicians. business people learn how to negotiate. they learn how to get the best deal they can and solve the problem and move on. career politicians like ms. cain baker and point fingers and attack you. we had enough of that in washington. that's what we are in such a mess. i want to go to washington to represent the second district and help fix the mess. aine, a few seconds if you

want to offer a rebuttal? >> i find that curious. you call amalie a politician, and i'm not sure what you want to refer to me as. but you are certainly a wall street insider. contributed to the debacle and mass that required a huge national bailout and tarp. yorkou came back from new with the spoils of the stock market. certainly -- >> thank you, i need to move along here. bruce poliquin? >> thank you. first of all, you see my opponents, including ms. cain in television ads, are attacking hard work. i scrubbed toilets and doug sewer lines and painted metal roofs to get through college. and after college i started my 35 years in business. i'm very proud of my hard work.

one of the things, if i may, one thing we all want for our kids is to be healthy and happy and work hard and be successful. >> do you have a question for one of your opponents? >> i was not in new york when the meltdown was happening. in fact, i used my experience from new york to come back to main as state treasurer to address some of the most difficult fiscal problems this state ever had. so i reject that. it is completely false. >> we are about out of time for the section. go ahead and ask emily or blaine ? >> emily, in 2009 you claimed right now that you had a record of cutting taxes. in 2009 you pushed through with no republican support a new sales tax on 102 items. it was so bad, the next year the

people of maine at the voting booth repeal those new taxes. 102 new taxes. >> what is your question? >> how can you say that you support cutting taxes when the tax cuts you pushed through in 2009 had to be repealed by the people of maine? that's just not true. >> it's interesting. the attacks mr. poliquin is thrown my way about taxes, distorting my record, simply ignore the facts. in 2011 as house minority leader i not only worked with the governor on domestic violence issues and ethics, but work in the legislature to balance budgets and lower the income tax, lower taxes for small businesses. a lot of bills come to the legislature, and as someone who spent 10 years doing this work, i will take this moment to address the question of being a career politician. maine does not have career

politicians. other states have them. our entire state is built on people who show up to do public service, whether it is volunteer firefighter, public library, land trust, school board. my record in the last 10 years is. clear i negotiated and voted to lower taxes. i balanced 24 bipartisan budgets. >> bruce you have exactly 30 seconds for a rebuttal, no more. >> here is a classic example of a career politician who has always had a paycheck from the taxpayers, who never created a job, now trying to reinvent herself and her record to run for congress. in 2009 with no republican support she helped push through sales taxes on 102 separate items, including car repairs and haircuts and movie tickets.

the people of maine had to repeal it last year in. 2013 -- >> we're on to our lightning round. yes or no questions. agree richardson, to you with the woman's right to choose as outlined by roe versus wade? >> roe versus wade is the law of the land. however, my personal conviction is that life begins at conception. >> this is the law of the land. ima pro-life catholic. -- i am a pro-life catholic. i am proud to make sure that i believe in life, and i do. >> ima pro-choice catholic, and i believe women should always be able to make their own health decisions. >> would you support raising taxes to fund road and bridge improvement? >> no. >> we really need yes or no answers. would you support raising fuel taxes to support infrastructure improvement? >> it is not the right approach

right now. >> baline? no. >> should law enforcement the lsu surveillance drones not without a warrant. >> to you believe that climate change is in large part caused by human activity it is the natural -- >> it is the natural current. >> man-made activity has something to do with it. >> emily? >> climate change is real. >> should the united states further reduce the number of military bases? >> we ought to look at spending at the federal level. >> yes. >> it needs to be studied. >> emily cain, would you support allowing so-called tar sands oil from canada to pass through maine for export? >> no. >> richardson? >> no. >> bruce poliquin? >> we need to make sure we

increase production of all our resources. >> blaine richardson, to you support the u.s. decision to do airstrikes against isis? >> yes. >> bruce poliquin? >> we need to do more than that. >> emily cain? >> i do. >> emily cain, do you term limits for matters of congress? >> yes. >> that is the end of the lightning round, and we are moving on to closing statements. each candidate will have one minute to speak directly to the audience. bruce poliquin will go first. >> this country is on the wrong path, and everybody knows it. politicians iny washington who never created a job. like my opponents, they wastefully spend tax dollars and drive up that, -- deby.

-- debt. case expand welfare to folks who are able-bodied and tax us to death to pay for it. and they bicker and point fingers and drive up the cost of energy. so it will cost more per the electric bill, more for gas and to heat up your homes. ms. cain promotes the same extreme liberal forces as nancy pelosi. she is too extreme for maine. i look forward to serving in congress. i will take my 35 years of business experience to try to fix the mess in washington, not become part of it. i will work with anybody to make sure we get it right. i ask you to go to the polls, vote for bruce poliquin. >> blaine richardson. >> as your representative i will

uphold every aspect of the constitution. i will do whatever it takes and work with any party to create opportunities and bring jobs to maine's second district. i will not compromise on national security, and i will answer all threats to this country. i will not compromise your gun rights. i will not squander your tax dollars. i will uphold the values that define mainers, independent people who believe in hard work, taunus pay, and no -- honest pay, and know what it means to live within a budget. emily cain is a young leader who brings ambition to the table, that youth and ambition does not trump lifetime of wisdom and prudence. attackslways see our and his willingness to put civility aside for the sake of getting elected. those are not values of the second district. i believe the communities of the second district need to be

represented in congress by a person who will not put wall street first and will not put special interest groups first and will not put a political party first. >> thank you. emily cain? >> thank you. for the past 10 years i have been a strong voice for maine's middle class. mainers get up every day and do the hard work and make tough choices to support their families, all businesses, and communities. as you heard tonight, there are clear differences in the race. i bring optimism, energy, maine values, and a proven track record of working across the aisle with republicans, democrats, and independents to get jobs done. i have done that to lower energy costs, to lower taxes, and to make sure we're protecting our seniors so they can retire with a giddy in our state -- with dignity in our state. the other choice is a guy who is

time and again known for bending the rules. for himself we had enough of that in washington. the problems of today require leaders that know how to work across the aisle and stay until they get the job done. i am state senator emily cain, and i'm proud to ask for your help on november 4th. >> thanks to all the candidates. for more information go to mpb n.net. thank you for joining us. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> more debates in the 2014 campaign tonight on c-span. the illinois governor's race at 8:00 eastern, where incumbent pat quinn faces republican businessman bruce rauner. at 9:00, new york governor's cuomo,tween incumbent republican astorino -- here are

ads voters have been seeing. five, seven,our, six -- >> 10, 9, 8, 7. 3, 2, 1. >> these are the stakes. >> can we trust offer conservative rob astorino? when he ran for candy executive he promised to cut taxes 20%, then broke his word. orino haser under astro the highest property taxes in the nation. if you can't trust him to manage

taxes in westchester, you could never trust him for governor. >> a governor is supposed to represent all the people, but andrew cuomo only represents a lead us liberals in the city. he does not care about you. that is why cuomo forced extreme gun control, banned rifles, magazines, and violated privacy of law-abiding gun owners. andrew cuomo took constitutional freedoms away from you. take the governor's office away from him. >> trust is everything to me. that's why for all we have a published to fix state government, the job is not done until we have cleaned up legislative corruption in albany. i appointed an independent commission led by law enforcement officials from all across this great state to investigate and prosecute wrongdoing. the politicians in albany will not like it. but i work for the people, and i

will not stop fighting until we all have a government we can trust. >> andrew cuomo is spending millions of our tax dollars on ads that are not true. guess what state is dead last in economic outlook? cuomo's new york. highest property taxes in the nation? cuomo's new york. most people leaving the state -- cuomo's new york. andrew cuomo's policies have new york last into many categories, and no amount of taxpayer as will change that. >> new york has a proud history of fighting discrimination. that is why it is shocking that rob astorino repeatedly violated and had his termination loss for years. county executive in the nation who refuses to comply. $10 million of penalties for violations. resistance to civil

rights laws did not work out for the south half a century ago, and it will not work now. so far right, he is wrong for new york. >> a debate from the governor's race in new york tonight on c-span, or buy a new have to senate debate at 10:00 as jeanne shaheen runs for a second term against former massachusetts senator scott brown. here is a look at ads from the race. >> the nation's highest electric rate. change.oing to >> new hampshire has the highest energy costs in the nation, 2%, including 75,000 customers in new hampshire. $12.47, about 12.2%. 83,000 homes and businesses in new hampshire. $50 a month, 50% more for your bill.

about 130,000 new hampshire customers. ♪ >> i'm definitely going to change. i never voted to outsource jobs. it's interesting -- [laughter] ♪ >> your involvement with the company, the business plan includes shipping jobs overseas to minimize costs, outsourcing. >> i never voted to outsource jobs. [laughter] ♪

>> anyone who turns on the tv these dayschallenges to our way of life. terroristsamic threaten the collapse of our country. president obama and senator shaheen appeared confused about the nature of the threat. not me.i want to secure the border and keep out those who would do us harm and restore america in the world. i'm scott brown, and i approve this message. because protecting the homeland is the first step to making america strong again. >> they don't call it the granite state for nothing. we are tough year. i never back down from a fight for the people of new hampshire. i don't work for big oil companies or big banks. i work for you, creating jobs at the shipyard and allowing

families to refinance student loans and getting veterans health care closer to home. getting the job done for new hampshire. i'm jeanne shaheen. i approve this message. i didn't just moved here. i have been here fighting for you. i would be honored to have your vote. >> we will have a debate in the race between senator shaheen and former senator brown tonight on c-span at 10:00 eastern time. campaignrt of c-span's 2014 coverage. follow us on twitter and like us on facebook to get debate schedules, video clips of key moments, debate previews from our politics seem. -- team. you can instantly share your reactions to what candidates are saying. the battle for the control of congress -- state engaged by following us on twitter and liking us on facebook.

>> in pennsylvania's sixth district, jim gurlock is retiring and trivedi and costello are running to replace him and debated for half an hour. >> hello and welcome to this debate between the candidates for congress in pennsylvania's sixth congressional district. i'm rod vaughn with wfmz 69 news. our format is not formal, no timed answers or rebuttals, we like to make a conversation. we'll bat around the issues and give and take is welcomed and hope to encourage it. the only formal part comes at the end where each man will have one minute for a closing statement. here are the candidates for the sixth district seat left open by the retirement of republican congressman jim agriculture lock. the republican -- jim gurlock. ryan costello is a practicing attorney and chairman of the

chester county board. the democratic candidate is 6rbings anan trivedi, a iraq war veteran. >> thanks for having me. >> the sixth district is odd shaped, a pistol shaped thing, stretching from the western suburbs of philadelphia in chester county, up to parts of montgomery county and swinging west into burks, including boyer town and fleet wood all the way west to lebanon so we know the area we're talking about. we have a half an hour. let's talk about some of the issues. normally i'd start a debate like this and thought i would start this debate with a pocketbook type of issue, after all, jobs and the economy are the number one thing according to the voters. but in light of the current atmosphere, things seem to have a lot of anxiety with a couple of things i guess you could call twin terrors. one of them is a group that chops people's heads off on the

other side of the word and people wonder if it's stoppable. the other terror is this disease that's come over here suddenly and people wonder if it is stoppable. so in times of high anxiety like these, people look to their leaders, so i ask if you were elected to the sixth district and you went to face your constituents and you could see the anxiety over these things, what would you as their leaders say to them? what could you say to assure them in these times? >> sure. their security issues at their heart, whether we're talking about homeland security or national security. the issue, as i see it, is one where we need to provide a certain co-hereance and need to do it working together, much better than the way washington, d.c. has been working. so i think the first thing you want to see in your elected leader is strength, clarity, and a willingness to aggressively pursue safety measures in a way where your constituentents feel you're

working with everybody to get it done. i think that's probably the best preliminary approach that you want to explain to constituents. and you also want to say, look, i may not have all the answers on this, but by working together, by working with members of congress, by working with the administration and working with outside agencies that play a role in this, we're going to get it right. that's where i think we start. >> all right. what would you say? >> look, i think these are two really big issues, we have ebola and ice us -- isis and i would draw on my own experience as a doctor who has a significant experience in public health and as a veteran who served in that region, i would tell voters that hey, look, let's talk about this and i can draw on my experience in these fields to help inform and help sort of calm the widespread panic and also inform those decisions made in congress. when it comes to ebola, first and foremost, we need to remember there's a lot of panic

and hysteria out there but let's look at what this is. the chance of a pandemic of ebola happening in the u.s. is very, very low. we have to look -- talk to our experts and hear what they're saying and recognize, let the c.d.c. do their job, quarantine those that may have come in contact with other folks and those who traveled to areas of west africa and come back with symptoms and make sure we have the right procedures in place in hospitals. these are the things we need to remember. there's another important issue that we should think about when we're talking about things like ebola is that the director of the c.d.c. has come out and said if we had the proper funding, five, seven years ago, we could have had a treatment for ebola now. these are things we have to remember making future budget decisions and not to be so shortsighted with our investments in things like medical research and health care innovation. >> are you saying we've underfunded those things? >> i don't think there's any

doubt that we've underfunded the c.d.c. and n.i.h., things like the sequester, if you remember that budgetary gimmick that cut funding across the board. and these guys have come out and said these are clear results of that underfunding and it's folks in d.c. who had blocked this kind of funding because they wanted to take a hatchet to the budget without thinking things through and saying hey, these are the kind of investments we need for the long term. let's remember this panic and widespread sort of concern now when we're making these future decisions. but look, as a physician and guy who served in iraq, i know firsthand the real threats that these things happen but it's so critical that we listen to the experts, listen to the public health officials before we sort of jump to these frantic conclusions. >> clearly intelligent budgeting is a part of it, across the board cut indiscriminately makes no sense. at the county level, what i've

done the past four years is every single year we have quarterly meetings and it's a transparent process and laying out our priorities. and we have four health departments in the commonwealth and through anti-immunization programs and disease control, what we need to make sure we're doing in government is investing in our people. i think the frustration many people have is you look -- let's talk about ebola for a moment. the question is why weren't we ahead of the curve. the question, instead of pointing fingers, what we need to do is project in a forward-looking way, a solution to this problem with clarity, work together and solve it. >> what do you think real quick, travel ban. a rising tide of sentiment especially among republicans that are coming over from hot spots. agree or disagree? >> on commercial flights, yes.

there's not a direct flight from there to the united states. folks from countries that do have ebola present, there should be a 21 -- at least a 2-day period to make sure we're not making a problem worse than it already is. >> these are for people to make a decision on these things. the incubation now could be longer than 21 days. we're informed of these decisions. this is the problem with politicians making decisions about health care. we have too many professional politicians down in d.c. now jumping up and down saying we need to do this, this and this. let's talk to our experts and talk to people who understand health care. >> so a travel ban? >> look, right now the c.d.c. director has said the travel ban would be counterproductive. you'd actually make the disease worse in west africa and you'd actually worsen efforts to try to stop the stem in africa and also, it would be hard are to

track people coming in because they'd be coming in from other places. >> there's a part of that, just to respectfully intercede here, this is not -- my statement is not indicating we should not seek to combat the disease but it should not be on commercial flights either through military or medical, isolated air travel there, to make sure it's done in an appropriate way. i further agree with what mr. travedi is saying. this is a situation the elected officials need to listen to the experts. i do also feel we're in a predicament right now where we still need answers. so i think anything either of us say is subject to additional evidence and facts that will be coming out in the days to come. i think that's a fair way to approach it. >> and i can say as a physician, there's a lot there the public is thinking out there and there's a lot of rumors out there spreading that are just untrue so we need to calm down and listen to our experts.

but the experts have said if you ban commercial flights these folks will come in other ways where we can't track them and harder to see if they have fevers and i think we need to listen to our experts and not our politicians. this is the problem with so many things in washington, d.c. that these guys who are professional lawmakers, professional politicians, all of a sudden when some crisis or some new hot news topic on cable news comes up, these guys jump up and down and say here's the answer. they didn't go to medical school or study public health so let's calm down. >> that's totally true. and i think, frankly, as more evidence comes out, we want to -- i think we want to head in the direction we're going to eliminate the disease and keep americans feeling zure and feeling safe. one other thing here and this is, look, a real thing. we need someone who can be a leader in health care and that person would be the surgeon general. but we don't have a surgeon general.

look, you know why we don't have a surgeon general? because the n.r.a. has blocked the confirmation of the surgeon general because he said one thing one day about gun violence. frankly, look, ryan, you're backed by the n.r.a., how do you square that on folks who back you that say we don't need a surgeon general? this is exactly the kind of crisis we need a surgeon general? >> a couple things. you've now devolved this into a blaming -- political blame game but we need a surgeon -- >> this is the time we need a surgeon general. >> so the other element to this, if we're going to say -- what we don't have is we don't have someone in the white house administration who is a bioterrorism policy advisor because president obama removed that position. that's not something i intended to share in a debate but thought we were focus our efforts in how to solve issues but since mr. trivedi wants to point out the political blame game --

>> i think it's critical to know why we don't have a surgeon general. it's not a blame game but facts. >> we may well come back to n.r.a. and guns but our time is rushing away. i want to hit that other terror i called it in the beginning just briefly. the president has decided to have air strikes against isis. john mccain, more to the hawkish side, made a comment last week the bad guys are winning and it will take u.s. ground forces to defeat them. is he wrong? >> that we need more air strikes? >> he said the bad guys are winning, it will take u.s. ground forces on the ground to defeat isis. do you think he's wrong about that? >> no, i don't think he's absolutely wrong. what i haven't seen from this administration is a strong plan to really rout out isis where they are. once again, i draw on my experience and this is i think critical for folks to have real world experience to go down to congress. i served in iraq with the marines. i know how hard it is to get things done there. i've lost friends in iraq and so i want to make sure that we

rout out and destroy isis. i also want to make sure we do it the right way in that we've learned from our lessons in iraq and afghanistan and that we have a plan that has benchmarks so we're showing progress and we have an exit strategy. these are all the things we didn't do in iraq and afghanistan. if that takes boots on the ground, so be it. i don't think beneed a regiment or a dwigse of marines to go in there. i actually think and, you know, i talked to my friends and colleagues in the military, a much more surgical strike where you go after the leaders and the key posts of isis. there are boots on the ground. my boots were on the ground in iraq so i know what that means. it would take some special forces to gather intelligence but to go after them in a different way, in a much more strategic way with metrics that show the progress and an exit strategy. this is what we didn't do in iraq and afghanistan but we need to do if we want to go after isis. >> a difference of view there? >> thank you for your service and we should thank everyone

serving in our military as well as their families for the sacrifices that they make. i think much the same as he said, but i would add that we need to listen to our military leaders. nd the strikes and the training that we're providing to vetted moderate syrian ebels is not a strategy over the long term that needs to succeed, there needs to be more. what i'd like to see and think the american public deserve is an airing of congress on this debate so that we know what we're going to be doing before we do it. ever since the iraq war started, we have much more coming out of the executive branch and congress has taken a back seat and i feel that there is less accountability as it relates to foreign policy than there should be. no matter what side you come down on the issue ultimately on a vote, the american public deserves to hear what we're doing before we do it. this is not only a long-term

investment militarily but when troops come home we have to care for them so we need to look at this with a clear lens. >> the thing that's interesting to note, when we first went into iraq we had the lowest number of veterans in congress ever. you have to wonder how we made all these blunders. so i think we need veterans' perspective in congress. we need folks who have served, wore the nation's uniform, to really inform them. because it's one thing to say hey, send someone else's kids over there but another thing to do it yourself. >> the military has been slimmed down the last few years in light of what's happening in the world, continuing to constrict the spending on defense. is that a good idea? what do you think? >> do i think it's a good idea to slim down the military? >> yeah, in light of what the world looks like today. >> if you look at what challenges we have in the middle east, here's the problem. the problem that we have in washington, d.c. right now is we're not operating under a budget. it's continuing resolution after continuing resolution because the house and the

senate can't come to an agreement on the budget and the president hasn't signed a budget. so all of a sudden we have all these demands on us as a country and we're not even airing the issues that we need to speak about in order to make those sort of budgeting priorities. >> look, i think your question was should we slim down the military budget. i'm looking forward to answering your questions and not speaking in general platitudes here and also talk about specific policies i support and don't support. i do think there's a lot of waste and abuse and a lot of excess in the department of defense. frankly, i was the navy surgeon general health policy advisor and was my last tour on active duty. i saw that excess. there are million dollar, even billion dollar weapons systems that will never see the light of day and contractors who have their claws in the pentagon. there's a revolving door. >> let me sharpen the question because the time is so short. >> sure. >> if the percentage of the government's outlays on defense is a little bit smaller than it was a few years ago and continues in that direction, is that the right way for it to

go? >> as long as it's not cutting our troops but cutting the excess money going to the contractors, that that's where the real dollars are. i was on a project once there was -- they were building a new destroyer class, a 10-year process, five years in they had burned up all the money and the contractor comes back and says hey, we need more money and we have half a ship. what do you think the government did? they paid him double, billions of dollars waste is going to these contractors. we should make sure our troops are getting paid accurately and frankly even more. that's a minuscule part of the d.o.d. budget. but yes, we should cut some of these excess funding that's going to these defense contractors that doesn't see the light of day. >> let me broaden it to overall spending and tax policy because that's where we're heading. a writer for "time" magazine wrote, something is very broken in the economy and job creation so poor and wages so flat if that trend were to continue, she said we're looking at a generation that will be permanently less well off than their parents. that's a pretty dire

assessment, recovery seems weak, wages are flat, work force participation is as low as it's been since 1978. where do we even begin? >> well, look -- >> why don't you go first this time? >> there's a lot we need to do to fix the economy and get ourselves back on track. look, the budget that the republicans pushed, my opponent ryan has praised is call thed paul ryan budget. >> that's not true. >> you don't support the budget? you praised the ryan budget in "the philadelphia inquirer." >> your view of the ryan budget is what? >> happy to address the subject. what i think that we need to focus on is balancing a budget within a certain number of years. my opponent has offered nothing. nothing but criticism. >> what i support right now. let me know when i'm able to speak again. >> how about the paul ryan budget. >> vote yes or no on the paul ryan budget? >> very happy to address the subject. what i do at the county level

is quarterly have budget meetings, look at what's coming in and look at what's going out. this month i'll pass another budget in chester county, 0% tax increase. what i'm not going to do is go back in time and look at a budget that made its way through the house that isn't being taken up by the senate from a democratic opponent who has offered nothing in terms of what kind of budget he'd vote for. that's just silly political stuff. let's address the fact that our budget, budgeting process is broken in washington, d.c. >> and you're saying the budget is not on the table anyway? >> it's not. let's further look at folks that work in a bipartisan manner that have an independent streak and that work to find commonsense solutions to get things done. that's what i have done at every single level of government i've served in. and my opponent, this is now his third run for congress, every two years he tromples out more and more of the far left talking points that's criticism upon criticism but not focused on actually solving the problems. if there trivedi wants to offer

a budget that says it's going to balance in a certain number of years, here's where the cuts will be and -- >> i'm willing to look at it. >> first of all, let's call a spade a spade here. first of all, he talked about his record as county commissioner. he raised taxes by 5%. >> in order to -- >> i think it's my turn to speak. >> if you're against the 11 -- to modernize the 911 system. >> he cut open space funding and cut funding for children and families. >> not true. not true. >> it's a record that's not as shiny as he's talking about. >> this happens in short congressional debates. >> let him talk and say these platitudes but nothing specific. you talked about it, an open seat, congressman gurlock who is just like him, voted for the ryan budget, it's an open seat. voters have a right to know how you're going to vote on big budget issues. that's all we've asked for is a yes or no and never get this

from ryan. we get a nice political speech, washington talk but never concrete -- >> i'll talk to you about some real ideas here. >> the ideas we're dealing with, spending and taxes. >> let's talk about the one bill, partnership to build america. it's a bipartisan bill, 30 republicans and 30 democrats, sponsored by a congressman in maryland called john delaney and doesn't raise a dollar in taxes and takes a lot of the corporate money now overseas, brings it back to america, $700 billion, and invests in infrastructure. that's the kind of bill i support. that's a specific piece of legislation i say hey, look, this is a bipartisan, commonsense legislation and we can fund infrastructure projects. >> let's talk about -- >> i agree, that is a good bill and sort of the bipartisanship bill -- >> first answer i've ever gotten. >> that's number one. number two, there's no washington talk coming from this side of the table. you're the one that lives in and works in washington, d.c. you do. so if we're going to talk washington talk, that's washington talk. and to attack me on a budget

that invests in libraries, that invests in open space that modernizes the 911 system. >> look, if you want to talk about your record, let's talk about the contracts that -- >> hold on. let's wrap up the comment about the cherser county situation and come back to the federal. >> the reason why the chester county fraternal order of the police, the reason why the chester county fire chiefs, the reason why i have the f.o.p. endorsement in burks county, and chester county is i'm willing to make the district decisions to make sure we're investing in public safety. >> let's talk about -- >> you know what, i think i want to get off chester county here. what specifically are things that are things that would be hard for you to do that you think we ought to do to trim the federal budget deficit, something difficult for you given the things they stand for but think we really need to -- for example, nobody wants to talk about the third rail of entitlements, for example.

medicare, social security. at some point, wouldn't there have to be some kind of adjustment to means testing, social security or increase in retirement able. what do you think? >> first of all, the ryan budget he did praise, even though he says he doesn't now, would turn medicare into a voucher program and end the medicare guarantee. this is not what we can afford. i have patients. >> platitudes, answer the question. you're speaking in platitudes. i know you get excited sometimes. but look, the budget i would support and to fix medicare, we need to have people who understand health care, not professional politicians like my opponent. i'm a doctor. let's fix it. >> what will we do about it? >> i can talk about health care until everybody is blue in the face here because i know there's so much waste in health care. there's so much inefficiency in health care. it's not market based solutions that will fix health care, it's what these other guys like to talk about. we need to get to the heart of the health care problem which is so much of what we do doesn't make you any healthier but jacks up the cost.

if we have smart people in congress who know how to make health care more efficient by insent vidsing best practices. so here's" incentivizing best practices. so here's something simple, a new thing that medicare does is disincentivizes 30-day readmission. if you're admitted for a diagnosis and have to come back in after you're discharged after 30 days, they're not paying for it anymore. this is dramatically reduced admissions for the same diagnosis because doctors, hospitals, clinics are incentivized to make sure they have follow-up and make sure they're not discharged before they need to be. some experts say from the institute of medicine, 30% of health care is wasted, and that's how we really get to the heart of the medicare problem. but you need people who are smart and have real experience to have -- >> would you like to speak to the entitlement situation just briefly? >> let's talk about health care. the problem with our health care system right now is that

government has been inserted even more so in between the patient and the doctor. and my belief is that we need to get slightly government out between the patient and the doctor. my opponent wants more government, which i think is just going to drive up costs even more. it's going to reduce access and reduce the quality -- >> is there a specific plan you have? no specifics? >> i noticed on your website, mr. costello, you say replacing obamacare. is that the way we ought to go versus a tweak change? >> i think we need to fix it. in the next two years, obamacare is going to be here and what we need to do is fix it. >> i agree. i agree. we need to fix obamacare. >> your ideas on that quickly. we have two minutes for closing statements. >> let's hear specific ideas. >> number one, the definition of employee should go to 40 hours, not 30 hours. number two, if you like your health care plan, you should be able to keep it. that's what the president

promised. my opponent right here was a policy advisor as part of obamacare, he used to brag about that in 2009 and now we don't hear that anymore because it's turned into a big problem in terms of the delivery of medical care. >> those are two specific things. do you have things you'd want to tweak? something you could say in 20 seconds? >> without a doubt. we need to fix obamacare and who better to fix it than a physician who knows health care. >> you pushed it and created some of the problems. >> instead of 25 employees, it should go to 50 employees for the health care tax credit. we need more options like a copper health care plan which employees can get which is a higher deductible and lower cost and make sure we're bringing costs down. the affordable care act is not affordable. sure, i know health care and i was asked to advise on these issues because i know what i'm doing. this is the kind of folks we need in congress, not professional politicians. not someone climbing the political ladder and trying to go to the highest level. >> arguably everyone is climbing the political ladder here. >> right. right. you're running for congress. your third time running.

so here's how you can reduce the cost of medical care. medical liability reform. i support it. my opponent, who -- now, the funny thing is i'm a real estate lawyer, born and raised in the area, work in phoenixville. >> you've said it time and again and not effective. >> we should have liability reform. my opponent is against that. >> not true. i supported medical liability reform throughout my time in this campaign and even before that. but the truth is, if you know health care, that's not nearly enough and these are more talking points that -- >> they're not talking points but the proposed policy. >> it's been proven, the c.b.o., congressional budget office, said that if we address medical liability reform we won't make a dent in health care costs. >> believe it or not, we've gone to near the end. so i need to ask for the closing comments, you have a minute each. you can talk about any of the things we just talked about or something else you'd like to tell the people of the sixth district why they should elect

you. mr. trivedi, you can go first. >> thanks for hosting and thanks, ryan, for coming. look, all i have to say to all the voters who are making their choice here in this election is look at both of us. look at our records, look what we've done with our lives. look at our careers. and then look at what we stand for and make your decision. there's no doubt that there's significant dysfunction in congress and that we need to change the way washington works. and the best way we can change the way washington work is by changing the people we send down there so thanks for your time. >> ok. closing comment from ryan costello? >> i want to thank my opponent, mr. trivedi being willing to debate me here and thanks for the opportunity. what we need in washington, d.c. is common sense. and we need folks that want to get to yes, not find a way to say no. and at every level of government i've served at, at the township level, at the county level, i've worked with republicans, i've worked with

democrats to get results, whether it's investing in open space in the libraries, balancing budgets, making the difficult decisions and as a small business lawyer in the phoenixville area where we've grown our firm, i know how to create jobs. i've done that. i want to work with others. i'm the only person in this race that can actually vote for themselves. so i ask you to vote for me, ryan costello, on november 4 and i appreciate the opportunity to be here at this debate today. >> well, thank you. i have so many more issues to talk about. >> let's do more, right. >> we need another half an hour but that's our time. >> appreciate it. >> thank you, gentlemen, for being here. i appreciate that. and thank you all for watching. hang on one second. we hope this helps on your election day decision. good night. >> all right. thank you. by ioning performed national captioning institute] [captions copy right national cable satellite corps 2014]

>> you can follow c-span on itter @c-span and like us at facebook.com/c-span. one of the campaign debates being covered is from louisiana where democratic senator mary landrieu is running for a fourth term and faces two republican pps, bill cassidy and rob maness. if no candidate wins a jonathan martin of votes the top two finishers will advance to a runoff a month later. up next on c-span, some of the tv ads from the louisiana race and in a few minutes a recent debate between the candidates. >> promised to change america but it's changing it for the orse and mary lan drew -- mary landrieu and she is going along with it and votes for amnesty

for illegals and for millions in medicare cuts. bill cassidy bill cassidy stands up to obama because he stands up are you. .> i'm a registered nurse we treat far too many victims who are assault and elected violence victims. bill cassidy is against the bipartisan violence against women act and against affordable care for women. bill cassidy is a doctor. he should know better. >> i mary landrieu and i approve this message because i will always stand up for the women of louisiana. senator landrieu, i voted for you before but when you voted for obama care, i knew i had made a mistake. >> canceled health plans, rate increases. scare us with

nonsense about social security and veterans. >> we are voting for bill cassidy. >> he will stand up to obama and he will pledge to repeal obamacare. >> i'm with you and hiding for you. >> im mary landrieu and i approve this message. ofemploying thousands louisiana and. we're three republicans and a democrat. because of mary, we got billions. >> to rebuild after katrina and rita. she took it to the president to get that done. >> now she's chairman of the energy committee. we cannot afford to lose that. that's why we are for mary. learn to be tough. one moment of weakness in the alligators eat you alive. when i get to washington, i will stand up to the big spenders. i will fight to repeal obamacare and protect our gun rats.

this message because louisiana needs a senator that will stand up to the politicians and the alligators. i'm part of the first generation of americans who may not achieve the same standard of living as their parents. that's a very frightening concept. what is the role of government if any in ensuring economic prosperity for my generation and future generations? colonel mannes? >> i thought the congresswoman was going first -- congressman? >> actually it senator landrieu. >> please note the first real gaffe of the night came from the matter raider -- moderator. >> that is one of the things i try to work hardest on, lifting the economic power of our country.

as chair of the energy committee, i'm in a great position to try to help create millions of high-paying jobs so that your generation can benefit. excited to be'm here at lsu where we have science, technology, engineering, for men, women, minorities. education is important. my opponent bill cassidy refuses to sign onto a bill to lower interest rates on student loans $21,000 average, 11% interest. he will not sign on my bill to double the opportunity for pell grants for students who are smart and want to work but come from families that simply cannot afford the cost of education. government does not create permanent jobs and if they do, they are jobs you don't want to have. the greatness of our american

economy comes from the people, not the government. government gets in the way. this will create 40,000 jobs with better benefits. she has not been able to do so. she has said she will do it anything in her power but that just mean she's not very powerful. the president's health care law is a damper on the economy. if you look at the enrollments earners, and lincoln hadace for example 400 their hours reduced from full-time to part-time because they could not afford the obama care law. get government out of the way. get creativity going. >> colonel mannes. senatorain thing landrieu has done is push through all of obama's

anti-energy employees. it's a job killer. i've been in all 64 parishes talking to small business owners pickup truck in my and every one of them gave me the same message. you've got to do away with obamacare. we cannot afford the restrictions. fees or theford the taxes. we are not creating the jobs we could. we are cutting the jobs we had. that's hurting the economic spectrum. that's exactly what obamacare was supposed to help. we need to unleash our energy sector so we can lead america to energy independence. that's what we should be doing here across the board. drill, baby. drill. >> with the midterm election next week, campaign coverage continues. tonight, the illinois governors debate between governor pat quinn and bruce rauner.

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reactions to what they are saying. the battle for control of congress. stay in touch and engaged by following us on twitter and liking us on facebook. in new hampshire's first congressional district carol shea-porter lost a reelection bid to republican frank gunita. this year, it's another rematch between the two dem. they recently debated in concord, new hampshire. >> the showdown in new hampshire's first congressional district. the incumbent carol shea-porter. her republican congressman -- former congressman frank guinta. the debate starts right now.

[captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> good evening. welcome to the second of four straight nights of crucial debates in the gubernatorial and congressional elections. tonight, the first congressional district. let's introduce carol shea-porter. coast andp along the was first elected to the house of representatives in 2006. she lives in rochester and is 61 years old. his own consulting firm before being elected to the state house. he was elected mayor of the largest city and lives in manchester. he knocked her out of congress but she returned the favor in

2012. here we are with what many are calling a three peat. each candidate will get one minute to respond after them and they will be allowed 30 seconds of rebuttal time. coast of the exchange on new hampshire public radio and the executive editor of the portsmouth herald. before we start, i would like to thank our other partners in tonight's debate, the telegraph of nashua, the laconia daily fund, and the unh goal of law. -- school of law. the portsmouth naval shipyard is among the largest employers along the seacoast. it was nearly closed as part of the base closings. what more needs to be done to make sure it's not on the chopping block in the future? what is your vision going forward? to be here.hted what needs to be done we have

already been done. we invested heavily to make sure they have the funding they needed to make sure they could also did a lot of funding for the shipyard and just recently and are defense authorization bill, my committee said they would not be able to close the shipyard. most delighted to see the cranes there and i know they are hard at work. much, paul, very for the question. this is not just a shipbuilding location in the state of new hampshire but also an economic engine for the state of new hampshire. it is something i will continue oppose itsand always closure. we have some of the finest men

and women were building under budget and within the time limits given by the federal government. i will continue to work with the regional delegation to ensure process ever takes away the opportunity that we have here with our shipyard. >> people on the seacoast will be pleased to hear those. our next question comes from laura. >> both of you have run for this office several times before. have16, one of you will held this for the past decade. they called it a three peat mentioning that voters were getting a little tired of having the same two candidates year after year. here's my question. whatected to this office, new ideas, what new approach will you bring that you have not run before? >> congressman. >> i learned through the years

of service whether as a state rep, mayor of the largest city, or as a member of congress that the most important thing is to bring new hampshire values to washington and ensure that there is a bipartisan approach to get this country moving forward again. i've been able to do that in the past whether it was mayor of manchester working with a majority of democrats or what i served in congress getting three bills signed into law by this president. people of our state want to see growth they to see been desperately needing. making sure that i always work on behalf of the people of our state. >> i'm going to continue to work on jobs. i think growing this economy will be my focus and concentrating on this making

sure that we take care of main street instead of wall street. damageto try to undo the done to the shipyard and other bases. i was successful in doing -- and thepart of that bipartisan budget certainly have. -- certainly helped undoing part of that. we need to do with a host of other problems that we're facing. i'm on the armed services committee and i plan to continue to keep working to make sure that this country is safe and we take care of our military men and women and our veterans. >> talk>> -- congressman do you want to respond? >> congresswoman shea-porter s mentions the sequester. leadershipnt and

said that the sequester had to budget.e you would have voted to shut down the government rather than working with the senate president. nobody likes the sequester. it was a difficult position president dan harry reid put the house of representatives and. we got through that process. we asked an agreement on the budget. then i voted three times to find other reductions in spending through the federal government to replace the sequester. unfortunately, the democratic senate refuse to take up any of those three bills. >> do you want to respond? >> with all of the other tea party people who arrived in 2010 forced this deal along. if you did not like the sequester you did not have to by supporting the ryan budget. the reality of what i'm hearing him say is he agrees with the president and the president agreed with him on the sequester. i don't agree on the sequester. i think it did great damage.

we had the head start shutdown hurting community health centers. i would not support the sequester. >> i did not agree with the president on demanding a sequester cut. but the president did was set if you do not pass the sequester cuts, the government will be shut down. to hear congresswoman shea-porter -- she would have shut down the government. that's not responsible. what the democratic senate did was not responsible. it held the house of representatives in a terrible situation because they refused to work with us on a reasonable, responsible budget. i voted three times to replace those sequester reductions in may found savings in other areas of the federal government. unfortunately the senate refuse to take up that. astounded at the rewriting of history but let me

just say that the ryan budget was not severe enough for this congressman. he also voted for the republican budget which was the ryan budget on steroids. republicans had to come together. they forced republicans to say .o your budget was actually worse and far more severe than the ryan budget and yet you supported it not once but twice. >> we will hear from congresswoman shea-porter through the course of the evening calling me a tea party or and saying unsupported by the koch brothers. these are the approaches she takes to try to malign who i am, the service i have offered my state. i want to work with both sides. i think the people listening aboutvening want to hear

policy, substance, and the direction we are going to take. to focus on substance rather than name-calling. >> it was policy and that's why it's important. if you believe in it and you vote for it, you should stand up for a. and 2012r 2010 election, health care was a major issue and it is now again. howard, your question. >> my first question is about the affordable care act also popularly known as obamacare. there are different pages of this for each of you. you make no apologies for your vote in favor of the affordable care act. some critics object requiring all people to either buy health insurance or pay a fine. why do you support everyone paying into the system? you repeatedly voted to repeal

obamacare. what would you replace it with? if you want to keep the popular part, pre-existing conditions, how would you pay for it? >> thank you for the question. healthlity is that this care law brought so many people affordable health care insurance and it's helping hospitals and doctors be more efficient. here's the thing about what you just asked. this was a republican idea. they wanted people to pay for insurance. they did not want people going to the emergency room without insurance and the rest of us paying for that. they call that no free ride. when we started to work on health care and republican and democratic presidents tried to do this for years, when we started working in health care, we adopted the republican idea that people should pay but we knew that some could not. there are subsidies to help them.

i think it's a very fair way of doing this and i commend the republicans who came up with that idea because it really has worked. >> it's clear that the state of new hampshire does not support carol shea-porter's notion that obama was working. she supported it when it first came to the floor. she has doubled down on this piece of legislation and the state of new hampshire opposes and continues to oppose this piece of legislation. congresswoman shea-porter is not listening to the constituents of the first congressional district. hadar in four years we've 22,000 people lose their health insurance. just sunday and "usa today," 70,000 people in november are going to have their insurance canceled. policy that carol shea-porter says is working. it's not. it should be repealed and replaced. >> what would you replace it with? allowingstart with

anyone, individuals or small businesses, to purchase across state lines. for thee new markets individual small business owner or nonprofit. second, we have have transparency. when you provide the cost of the procedure to an individual and you provide them a choice, they will start to choose the lesser of the two. that will pay for a lot of the things that howard asked for in his original question. pool alikecan businesses to bring together their purchasing power. doing those things we can change to a market based system. >> a short response. >> solidified has said it's not true. rated it true when i said that and i'm very pleased and proud of that because it is telling the truth. and some was is

the only insurance company there and it was not obamacare. and some tried to do that. i worked with and for men they agreed to keep those policies going. you can look that up on politicized. as for your idea of putting everybody together, that's going to be coming forward in 2016. and allows states to do exactly that. i'm glad that you support that idea because that's exactly what we did with the aca. >> let's move to another issue that has been a top story and news the last couple of weeks. >> thanks a lot, paul. the spread of ebola has become a major health concern lately. what do you think of the government response so far? what steps do you think should be taken to stop the spread? i think the response by this president and this administration has been terrible. there is fear across the country that this will spread.

the cdc unfortunately has not been able to properly take care of its own physicians and medical teams that are trying to help the patient to or possibly affected. nowe, the president has politicized this process with his appointment of another is our -- czar. no medicalon with background whatsoever in its peer the political. things have to change immediately. you need a travel ban immediately. it should have been done weeks ago. this president refuses to take those basic steps and i hope that he does so we can get on the other side of this terrible tragedy here that could spread in the united states. think the president and the administration was pretty flat-footed in the beginning and we should have at least in taking their temperatures. i do think we should have a ban thoseessential travel in

three countries that are having this difficulty because we need to get a handle on this. i thought the cdc response initially was too slow and i've been pretty surprised they did .ot show up right away we don't have a surgeon general because the republicans are holding that up and we don't have the funding we need for the centers for disease control. we do not have this the same exact reasons and that would be cut because of mr. guinta again. we just heard him say it's all political. this is serious. that should beng properly funded. we should take care of it. . feel comfortable you should feel comfortable by

saying he screwed up by cutting the funding their. >> carol is the member of congress. she was there for six years. she had the opportunity to work to create responsible budgets and she has declined. she has focused on supporting budgets with massive tax hike that would hurt the very families we are trying to get out of economic challenges here in the country. the reality is the president and his administration's is nothing short of terrible. actually, we did pass a bipartisan budget. the senate did also. we have a bipartisan budget and i'm very proud of the work we did together. you.ank let's change gears and take a question from michael from the laconia son. disparities of income and wealth are wider than any time

from the 1920's. despite steady gains in productivity, real wages have not risen significantly in three decades. low-paying jobs represent a employment.l of the median and, slightly above the level of 1995 while the income of the most affluent 5% have risen 15% since then. what do you make of those numbers? how do you think government should respond to them? >> i think it's heartbreaking. you are absolutely right that middle-class wages have an flat and we had a recovery but it benefited those in the top 1%. the millionaires, billionaires, and corporations. some people are concerned and would somehow or another upset our economy but the reality, and i've heard a number of reports about this, they say would actually help.

people close to the edge will take their money downtown and spend it. they will not ship it off to ireland or elsewhere. our economy is 70% consumer driven, then they need that money in their pocket in order to go purchase. as the purchasing power that moves the economy forward. it would be good to raise the minimum wage. you see families working two jobs and still not able to make it. we really need to grow this economy. you have to grow the middle class to do that. i think we should reward companies for bringing jobs home. we lost too many overseas. we need to stop the subsidies in given tax advantages when they come back. it takes a concentrated effort. we need a jobs bill. i've been saying that. we need to create jobs. there's a lot of work to do. >> congressman, your response. has been ina-porter

office six years and has not been able to deliver the very promise she made to try to help middle-class families. she has not been able to do anything of substance economically with the exception of voting for the stimulus bill, eight hundred billion dollars, that did not stimulate the economy. at $18 a larger debt now trillion and it was almost half of that when she first took office. she continues to talk about ideas but can't seem to implement anything. i don't think many people feel in this state or country that we had a recovery. we had the highest number of people out of work and the labor participation rate is at its absolute lowest in history. >> a very short response if you want? ande raise the minimum wage we created jobs. the economy is getting better. the deficit is much lower this year. we're on the right track. i worked for that legislation. a number of small business provisions -- remember, this

country almost went into a depression and it was our work that saved the country and brought us back. we have had 50 plus months of job gains. >> from attack ads to gun control, lots more to talk about. our nh1 debate continues in a moment. ♪ >> welcome back to the nh1 debate for the first congressional district. ad yesterdayew tv criticizing the congresswoman. let's take a listen. >> carol shea-porter wants to make sure we know who she stands for. >> you know who i stand for. >> that's why she voted to collectors salary even if congress doesn't pass a budget.

she voted to give members of congress first-class travel and health care for life. >> you know who i stand for. >> that's right. we know who you stand for. that's why we need a change. >> i'm frank didn't tell because it's time to put people first. -- i'm frank guinta. >> i would like you to address those claims and give you a chance to respond. thursday he was saying that he was only going to run positive that the but i'm not really shocked because it's part of business. what really disappoints me though as used something completely inaccurate and "the washington post" gave it four pinocchios, meaning it's a big lie. he wrote it for the same thing. of course i'm going to vote no on the ryan budget to hurt the middle class. in all fairness, the democrats tried to put a poison pill in for him, too.

don't use that stuff. that's just political silliness. not true, four pinocchios. >> i will give you a chance to respond but first let's take a look at your ad also running right now on new hampshire tv, a new spot from the shea-porter campaign after you. let's take a look. back in the 50's women's rights where was there did -- were restricted. opponent is back in the 50's. he voted to defund planned parenthood and opposes a woman's right to choose. and irol shea-porter, approve this message. >> it is time for you to respond. >> i got a kick out of that ad. i knows most people are

frustrated with the negative ads. for the first four weeks starting from the evening of the primary victory back in september, carol shea-porter was running negative ads. i have asked her to take them down. she declined. you have to respond. i want to focus on what people want to hear about. jobs and the economy. getting the budget balance. moving the country forward and find solutions. that is what i will focus on. >> i will stay on the same topic of what is the most unfair criticism that has been leveled at you by your opponent or independent groups supporting your opponent? why it is unfair? the suggestion that somehow i am not for the middle class. that is the one that i would say

is the most unfair. i have spent my life working for the middle class. i spent my life working with seniors. hearing that nonsense about cutting medicare, it is not who i am. it is not what i have done with my life's work. that would rate up there. we know not to get offended. we understand this is part of it. cycle wasad of the run against me by frank's party the second week after i had gotten back in in january of 2013. it happens. i did asked frank if he would sign a statement asking third parties to stay out of new hampshire. he declined. this is what happens. it comes in and it is tough. we know how to deal with this. we can get emotional.

, and i think you did a good job this time, paint a picture -- take a good picture of me. >> what was the most unfair criticism? running are distortions of who i am and my record. that is why we campaigned vigorously to talk about how you were going to move the country in the right direction. and be reflective of what people on jobhich is focusing growth, economic growth, ban on budget, balancing our things that carol shea-porter has not been able to deliver. >> one of the things you learn to do is to have it. he said no abortion, not even to save a woman's life. there is a bill called paycheck

fairness, and he never voted for that. it didn't come to a vote. he never cosponsored it. there is nothing wrong in that ad. it is a factual. carol and her team have put out are distortions of my record and i will focus on the middle class, things that carol shea-porter has not been able to do. echsler change gears -- >> let's change gears. >> gun control. after the massacre at a new town elementary school bill was introduced to expand the background check system to private sales at gun shows and the internet, making these fellows follow the same laws that licensed dealers already fail -- already follow. it failed.

>> let's start with you. >> we need to respect the second amendment. changed ore modified. people take that seriously. criminals.focus on that is what i did when i was mayor. and wasugh on crime able to focus resources on adding police officers, providing programs to get rid of criminals. that is what we need to be focusing on. not a good citizen who was abiding by the law. it is a clear difference between carol shea-porter. she wants to restrict gun rights. that is out of touch with new hampshire. >> that is a no? >> we need to focus on criminals.

eliminate the criminal and you will see a reduction in crime. >> of course i support the second amendment. i'm fine if you want to own a gun to hunt. fine with family members being able to give each other guns. we grew up in new hampshire. we know plenty of people who hunt or feel like they need some protection. i am fine with that. frank wants to go after criminals. the only way to do that is to find out if they are buying guns. it only takes a few minutes. citizens are law-abiding. airport andto an somebody says to you 60% have to go through the metal detector and 40% can walk around it, you would say no, we should all walk through even though i'm certain almost every single person is law-abiding. that is what this is. at gun shows we need to know who

they are. there is no other way to find these guns that criminals have more people should not be having guns. >> why don't we move on? >> to an issue being debated in congress for a couple of years, kiki.go tyo >> do you think illegal immigrants should be required to return to their country of origin before they are eligible for citizenship? what should be done with the young children of immigrants who came here illegally? >> if people come over the border now and they are not refugees they should be sent back. for people who have been here and have settled families here for a long time, i support what our u.s. senator, who is a

republican, and jeanne shaheen supported. we need a reform. we have to make it difficult for people to make sure they speak english, they spent a long time working towards it and they understand citizenship. we can't round up 11 million people and send them back even if we wanted to. rather than create this permanent subculture or have them in the shadows we need to bring them out. republicans in the senate who voted for this. we all know that we need immigration reform. it makes this come -- it makes this country safer. >> there are a couple of things we need to do. onehampshire relies on each . we need to update the process. so you can provide more access to the country for individuals who want to come here legally,

.ere here during a seasonal job those are the things that have to be done. secondly we have to close the border. carol shea-porter has said nothing about the notion of closing the border and stopping the problem, this flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border because she supports the order that the president issued. we have 400,000 people you legally come across the border. it is not right. it is not keeping our country safe. it hurts us economically. that can be rescinded. i have called for a rescinding of that. let's start with closing the border and not making the problem worse. like specifically with the dream act? >> let's start with closing the border first and then determine what to do with those individuals who were here. we have to stop the problem from

continuing to grow. that means closing the border. that is a different but we myself and carol shea-porter. >> frank voted to cut the funding for border, and i voted to support it. that is deferred action for children. they had to of been in this country before 2007. this is not applying to people who are arriving now. it is not because of that you were seen people cross over the border. we do need to close it. >> the order sends a message to anyone who wants to cross the border. what is happening is drug lords are getting payment of $6,000 for an individual to come across illegally. the border is exactly why this is happening. that should be rescinded. i have called on the president to do that. -- a clear difference

between the two of us. >> we have more to cover trade the debate continues in a moment. -- we have more to cover. the debate continues in a moment. >> welcome back. east,pment in the middle i want to go to howard for a question. >> you have said you don't support boots on the ground in iraq or syria and you don't support arming rebels. can you envision any turn of events that would warrant the save foring in troops isis capturing baghdad? >> thank you. i would support the legislation that came to the floor of the

house arming the syrian rebels, training them. i didn't think it was a complete plan. what i would like to see is leadership from the president. he needs to articulate what i plan is to congress. there needs to be an up or down vote on whether we are going to actually go to war or not. ,ost people think we are at war but you need to follow the war powers act, to follow the constitution and the executive branch. if i were to see something from the president that was clear and definitive, that recognize a plan to eliminate isis, that is something i could vote for. i have not seen that yet. >> in baghdad fell? would that be a situation you would consider? >> you need to see what the plan for the president is. i would like to see continued airstrikes, cooperative relationships with our friends in the region and around the world, for them to help with

boots on the ground led by american forces. you need to see this from the president. he has not provided leadership or a true plan to the congress. and ie is something frank agree on. we should have been called back and had a vigorous debate the american public could see and hear and have that vote. i said no to arming the rebels because we don't really know exactly who they are. their alliances change daily. it is a civil war. once they decided to participate, they did arm the syrian moderates. the first thing they said was i , i't want to go after isil want to go after assad. they are fighting the syrian president as well. we can't put ourselves in the middle of that. it would be a disaster to do that.

aat we need to do is to build very strong coalition with countries in the region. that has been happening. they are building a solid coalition. i support the airstrikes. that is the right thing to do. we can help arm the kurds because they are fighting hard. i support helping but we should not have our troops there. we just countries in the region that are geographically closer and understand the culture better than we do to take that. the iraq soldiers need to step up. we saw what happened after we take that money and all the treasure and blood that we get to that country, they need to step up. >> thank you both very much. and bring itears back to the united states. >> we're going to talk education.

common core standards are increasingly controversial with considerable pushback across the country. what is your assessment of the program and what changes should be made moving forward? with theidn't start federal government. we have to say this did not start with the federal government. states came together and looked at this. ihave concerns about it like decided no child left behind was not working even though it was well intended. i have concerns about this as well. i sigh couple of videos about how they are teaching and some looked good, some didn't. i think it would be perfectly legitimate to have this conversation on every level now before we immerse ourselves to deeply in it. we need to know one thing, that we have children concert -- prepare to compete in this world. we are not number one in education.

i wish that we were but we are not. we have competition all around the world. we need to veto our science, technology, engineering, and math. that is what is this is intended to do. there is a lot that is good. there is some that is troublesome. >> i oppose common core. . oppose it families, teachers, administrators, superintendents i have talked to are in growing numbers opposing this mandate. this is the fundamental problem with the federal government being too involved in our everyday lives. tends to thinker the federal government can be the answer to everything. the federal government for education is $85 billion. we have 99,000 school districts across the country. there is no reason to treat

every school district across the country the same. that is what education policy is doing in this country. common core is doing the same thing. we don't treat rochester and manchester the same. we should be treating all of these the same. we are a local controlled states. republicans and democrats believe in local control. i would like to put my faith in state. >> i believe in local control. i was concerned about a number of elements. this is not from the government, but i am concerned about how this is playing out. pause andat we should have a look at this and make sure we are getting what we need, delivering what we need to deliver. it can't be all good and all bad. that is what we need to look at. we need to be able to make changes when we find out it is not working. core inve that common

the state long enough to know that it is not working. people don't like it. i don't understand why carol shea-porter won't oppose common core. i oppose it. it is something most teachers among families, administrators are opposing. it is another clear difference between the two of us. >> a question from you laura. >> i want ask about drug addiction, heroin in particular. we have more dying from drug overdoses than traffic deaths. it is estimated in the hundreds of millions of dollars. heroin addiction is a part of that. how would you help new hampshire tackle this? >> thank you. as a mayor of our state's largest city i had to deal with not just violent crime but property and drug crime. they are interrelated. you have to have a local, state,

and federal approach. one of the first things i would do when i returned to congress is to work through the appropriations process. to return dollars back to new hampshire, to utilize through our communities and the state of new hampshire. so we can eradicate this problem. it has to be not just a federal issue. it has to be done with on a state and local issue. >> it's a good question. i'm a social worker for many years. we never properly funded this. we didn't have treatment centers. we close many treatment centers around the country. we have this huge problem. we have to work on prevention but we also need to take care of those are -- one of the good things about the expansion for medicaid, people have access to medicare. we also need to do the intervention. when you pick somebody up and name have shoplifted at walmart

or walgreens, look at them and figure out if there is a reason that is drug related, and get them into early treatment. i have talked to a number of police officers, and they all agree that we really need to focus more resources on this. this is a bad time to go cutting programs that treat people who have addictions. >> drug dealers in this state are a significant problem. i don't think carol shea-porter understands the severity of the issue. when i talk to police officers who put bullet-proof vest on every day they tell me their lives are in danger because you're talking about drug dealers who are armed and dangerous. these individuals we have to go after and put away. eradicate then't drug problem here in the state of the new hampshire. we have to take this on, and

take this on tough. we have to protect our citizenry, getting rid of the drug dealers. >> i want to have a follow-up. >> i want to ask about the affordable care act. carol shea-porter mentioned medicaid will cover substance abuse. people say that is a welcome development. i wonder what you think. >> carol shea-porter believes there is a top-down approach to federal government for nothing. i disagree with that approach. when you look at the affordable care act, 22,000 people lost their insurance. people in the state of new hampshire in november going to lose their coverage. ors is not the intent of me what people have focused on in terms of trying to reduce cost and increase coverage. there are things that you can do

in a free market that, purchasing across state lines, transparency, you salt costs come down voluntarily. allowing to pull those things we can do and have more money in the system to be more effective. >> addicts don't have money to buy health insurance. we have to take care of them. it is in our best interest. i want to say that i support the police and i know that they need more support. i have voted for every program that would help them including putting more cops on the street and making sure they had equipment they needed to do this. it is false to suggest if i amieved in treating that i week on law enforcement. i am speaking from a lot of experience as a social worker, seeing families come in estimated by drug or alcohol

abuse, and they lose their homes, lose their apartments. they have to move frequently. they can keep jobs. -- they can't keep jobs. >> we save time for you to ask a question. i'm going to start now. yourchance to ask challenger a question. >> are you sorry that you voted against all of those programs that made the naval shipyard suffer and they had to furlough people that hurt the national guard? i hear them come in all the time saying the impact that it had. would you change your vote for that now or would you go back and support the republican study group that wanted to/federal budgets. do you think we should abolish the irs and not have any income coming in? >> let me take the sequester

question first. the sequester was the idea and the mandate of the president of the united states and harry reid . they held the house hostage. they said if you don't vote for cut in defense the government will shut down. you would have voted that way. we kept the government functioning, found a middle ground on budgeting, and then voted not once but three times to replace the sequester reductions. harry reid refused to take it up. that is part of the problem. things are not getting a compost because you don't have the legislative branch is willing to work with one another. congress, 285 pieces of legislation passed in the house. 90% passed bipartisan way. that is a fundamental process problem with washington.

this is why people are so frustrated with washington. o the irs, i don't think many people like the irs. people are frustrated with it. one of the fundamental challenges with the irs is that they take advantage of people, of taxpayers. they're going after individuals and groups. on your disclosure, you have both benefiting from a pension and a salary. you took $10,000 from the irs pac and voted in favor of iran subsidies. that is something the american people are frustrated with and that we have to change. life before we get to your chance -- >> he did not answer my question. there is no irs pac. let me ask you one more time. you still want to abolish the irs?

toi understand what you want -- you voted against lois lerner. you voted to support her. eliminatingainst the lavish parties and the money the irs has been spending. irstook $10,000 from the benefiting my salary and a pension at the same time. that is the frustration people have in this country that ought to be eliminated. >> can i get an answer to that? do you want to reform it? what's answer the question. >> why do you continue to support obamacare when the latest news is that 70,000 people in the state of new

hampshire going to have their policies canceled? why would you continue to ask for president obama to come and campaign for you in the state of new hampshire? >> i didn't ask the president to campaign for me. people did lose their policies, as you know. you can look it up. you have so many statements that aren't so. i am surprised. sunday -- cle on 70,000 people in the state of you have sure going to lose their policies. youet me ask you, why are -- [indiscernible] ok with people not having insurance? why are you ok with allowing insurance companies to discriminate?

you voted to repeal. you have voted repeatedly to repeal health care. why are you ok with them discriminating against women and charging more ash and mark why are you ok with people being unable to get insurance? >> thank you. i voted to repeal and replace the affordable care act. new hampshire opposes this legislation that you supported and voted for. you look people in the eye and said if you like your dr. you can keep your doctor. that is not happening. it is not happening in your hometown or in portsmouth. these are population bases, and i think you owe people and next on nation. 70,000 people are going to lose their policies. >> you never voted to replace an repeal.

>> thank you. let's do something quickly and try to change the conversation. if you had a chance to have dinner with anybody living or dead, who would that be? >> i would love to have dinner with george washington. i think the founding fathers were phenomenal individuals who had visions. >> i would love to have dinner with my parents again. >> tomorrow night, the u.s. senate campaign. all of these debates will be live. we would love to hear from you if you have questions for the candidates.

i want to thank you for watching. >> tonight, our coverage continues with debates from illinois, new york, and new hampshire. the debate between pat quinn and his challenger. that is followed by the final debate between jeanne shaheen and her challenger scott brown. in the race for u.s. senate in new hampshire. next, a debate between pat quinn and his challenger bruce rauner.