sudan, there have been since 1976 about 24 outbreaks, most of which have been in remote areas in which you could actually contain it. this is the first time that we've had an epidemic the size of which is much more than all contact tracing and aned. health-care structure that allows you to identify someone, isolate them, and keep them out. the only way you can spread ebola is by coming into direct contact. it is very unlikely there would be an outbreak in the country.

there are tribal interrelations where you go across the border. customs of distrust and authority, and that is how you have outbreaks. they weren't secondary and tertiary spreads. we are hoping the best way to protect the world is to suppress west africa. the outbreak in west africa. >> can you explain what you did? it is interesting to hear how you can beat this. ebolaple who die from essentially lose a lot of fluid.

when you look at bloody eyes, that occurs in very rare cases. most people die from shock. they lose so much fluid you cannot get enough back into them. gete electrolytes completely out of wire. that is how you have high mortality. you can go as low as 40. the seven other patients did very well. we gave them tertiary care, u.s. medicine.

>> if you can get adequate health care you can reduce the death rate. >> it will be diminished. >> then you can talk about the christy obama disputed. how would you regulate the returns? >> we need hospital beds. bedlready have a 25 hospital for health-care workers who get sick taking care of people. you give them an incentive to go. that's not what we're talking about. we are going to take care of them.

we have a lot of volunteers, and the department of defense is committed to setting up 17 hospitals in west africa, and their is many more coming. that is coming. that is already contributing to the downtick. with this conflict, if you look at how ebola is transmitted. it is only transmitted with direct contact with bodily fluid with someone who is ill. not just feeling badly but ill. we know that is how it is transmitted. quarantine,th

health-care workers who have donated their time, if you have a blanket, namely everybody cannot do anything for 21 days, that we feel would be a major disincentive, but that doesn't mean the people promoting that are doing anything wrong. i believe the government and are tryinging that to protect their constituency. there is no criticism of them. as a physician and a scientist you look at the data, and it tells you what the risk is. if somebody comes back, either you are quarantined or you can go out and do whatever you want. i think both of those are extreme. thatdc recommendations are you match the stratification of

risk of someone being infected versus how you monitor them and the degree to which you restrict so if someone is at a high risk and comes back, if they are you gettic, right away isolated and treated because there is a good chance you have ebola, but even if you don't have symptoms, if you are at high risk you don't travel, you don't get on the subway. that's already in the guidelines. there are other people who are at some risk and others who are at low but not zero risk. the guidelines say don't put everybody in the same bucket where somebody is really feeling well coming back, and all of a sudden you say, you cannot come out of an apartment or out of a facility for 21 days, because if that happens, we are concerned health-care workers who are donating their own time, when and have nock

scientific reason they should be they will have no incentive to go. say, i will take a month to go there. toi have symptoms i want protect myself and society. if i am perfectly well i want to get back to doing the things i do. that's the controversy about that. i don't fault that -- those who feel the quarantine -- i think they are acting in good faith. i don't think it's based on what we know about scientific data. >> you have been during this for a while. public potential seems gigantic compared to fatalities. how do you compare this to the other things you don't with.

>> three is the hiv crisis. that was the other side of the coin. there was the pandemic that dwarfs everything else. in a restaurant where a gay waiter is waiting on you -- it is ridiculous, but those were the fears going on. then there were the anthrax attacks after 9/11. spoke. then you had the anthrax attacks right here in our cities. everyone was afraid of touching their mail. this one here has a special flavor of fear. if you look at ebola and the

front page of your paper. practically every day they show pictures of people dead in the street, dying horrible deaths. people extrapolate what they see in west africa with what they think might happen here. we see an epidemic of fear here. i don't disrespect that fear, and i don't criticize it. you have got to valuate your relative risk based on scientific evidence. two people have gotten infected while they are here. people are brave. look at what is happened and the

fear it generated. ?> how do you communicate do you tell them to man up? >> you have to respect the fear of people. you cannot denigrate it. you have to try to explain, and you have to do it over again. you have to give examples. one example is the two nurses -- i had the privilege of taking care of one of them -- nina pham was a patient of mine. she is doing very well. those two people got infected from mr. duncan when he was desperately ill in a dallas hospital. a were taking care of him. they got infected. mr. duncan had contact with many family members while he was sick.

none of those family members have gotten ebola. is the wayells you you get ebola is direct intimate contact with bodily fluids of someone who is really sick, not one who is well, no fever, not ill. zero,sk is essentially because it is not transmitted that way. >> we have had a couple of outbreaks. why does this keep going on? what do we do? is there going to be a vaccine? cored there be a medical to take care of this? >> this epidemic is going to be under control by health-care measures, namely the acceleration the united states has done and hopefully other countries will do.

hopefully it gets under control before we have the need to use the vaccine. right now we are on the fast track testing the vaccine. one hered with phase and other places in maryland. by december or january we are going to a much larger trial in west africa to see if it works. vaccinet want to give a to anybody if it doesn't work or you feel it might be dangerous. the core of the question is what about the next outbreak is what i think you are asking. that is something we need to look at as a global community. this is a concept the president spoke about in february called the global agenda in which you have a network to monitor and see the outbreaks of these diseases, but to have a system to contract them so you can stop

it at its source. you also have to look at the health care infrastructure. you have to look at the countries were outbreaks occur. disrupt the global health security agenda. we also have to convince the world attention to the health infrastructure of their country is as important as anything else they do as a country. >> thank you very much. washingtonext journal, diane oakley of the national institute on retirement security discusses how prepared americans are for retirement savings. after that, we look at the death with enmity laws in place across the united states. this comes in light of a 29-year-old's decision to end her life following a diagnosis of terminal brain cancer. plus your facebook comments and tweets.

>> on friday a discussion of midterm elections and the latino votes. >> here are a few comments on the ebola virus coverage. >> we have ebola right in this country, doctors coming back, patients, nurses, and so forth. people are reacting to a serious disease where you have to have teams of doctors and nurses waiting on you constantly. they show the beheadings over and over again. i suppose we should have get

hyped up about isis coming to chop up your head but not ebola that is actually here. >> i think the people should be prevented from entering any other nation. >> we have seen it happen in with capitalistic health-care system, and it is going to cost us millions to clean that mess up. this is the proof we need a national health care system. >> continue to let us know what you think about the programs you are watching. , or you canil us

send us a tweet. >> governor quinn has served since 2009, after rod blagojevich was impeached and removed from office. listed as a tossup. the hour-long debate is courtesy of abc seven. >> eyewitness news present vote 2014. tonight's debate is presented by

eyewitness news and the league of women voters of illinois. questioning our candidates will thomas, erica mulder not oh, and laura washington. limitedponses will be to 60 seconds for each question, and you will have 30 seconds for each follow-up. in addition to our questions you will have the opportunity to ask one question to each other. you have the opportunity for a one minute opening statement and a closing statement. the opening statement goes to mr. quinn. >> last friday the bureau of labour statistics issued its report on the illinois economy. it's a good report. jobs are way up. unemployment is way down. months we have created 40,000 jobs, 3300 jobs since the recession ended.

unemployment is at its lowest level in the last six years. the steepest decline of any state in the union. we have to make tough decisions to make that possible. we have to cut the budget $5 million. we also understand the importance of physical reform. -- fiscal reform. our economy is a lot better. invest inen able to education. we have invested $440 million and classroom education. is theng in education best way to keep our economy moving forward and our jobs growing. that is what i believe in and the best way to go for the state of illinois. >> good evening. thanks to the league of women voters and univision. workk forward to going to for the people of illinois. i want illinois to be the greatest state.

i have helped build hundreds of successful businesses. we have great success driven in the process, my wife and i have given back because we love our community. we have donated to schools, to our veterans, to the red cross and the ymca. i am running for governor is my opportunity to give my time. i am financially independent. i can stand up to special interest groups. i'm not even going to take a salary or pension. i'm with the shakeup that and get the government running right. >> i would like to begin with something i am hopeful will set the tone for the debate. a question about the last debate. i would like to quickly ask you, in the last debate, the

proposals make the temporary tax increase permanent after the next election. if bruce rauner is elected, would you fill -- still attack to -- still make that permanent? >> the budget called for the income tax rates to be maintain committed have public safety. i'm in favor of making sure we maintain our income tax level. and provide solid property tax relief every year to every homeowner in the state. that is what i proposed in my budget. i think we cannot have a budget that slashes are education, as my opponent suggests, by $4 billion, laying out one out of six teachers during that is the wrong way to go. we have to invest in education and properly pay for it.

my opponent has been going around illinois telling tall tales about the budget. we have to pay our bills, invest in education, and the best way is with the income tax based on ability to pay. >> the other question to you, mr. quinn asked about a threat you made to a female employee. you are quoted as saying i will bury her, bankrupt her with legal fees. you said it was a disgruntled employee and pointed out the judge ruled in your favor on most of the aspects of that lawsuit. i didn't hear your answer about whether you said those things. >> i was clear. i did not ever say those things. that was false accusations and a frivolous lawsuit dismissed in court by a judge. there is no truth to that.

unfortunately that story came out in the media encouraged by pat quinn's staff so they could run another false attack ad. i have been subject of vicious attacks not based upon facts, but distortions. the subjects of these false attacks, i'm going to shake up the system. pat quinn will do anything to hold power. he will resort to any distortion or exaggeration. i'm not to change the system. i can't be bought, bribed, or intimidated. it is hard to deal with these distortions but home is worth fighting for. that is why i am running. >> good evening. about the ad in this campaign, according to the illinois board of elections, in 2014 your campaigns combined have amounted to $35 million in advertising.

most we have seen, they are negative attacks of each other on your previous work, moral character, and at this point in time many voters are actually wondering why either of you are qualified to run the state? how can you change that perception? >> i have been a leader my whole life. i have been a business builder. i have worked hard to give back with the community. we need success in springfield. i'm not running for office because i need a job. i'm not looking for a political career. i'm doing this because i love illinois. we have the greatest state in america. the best location. we are the worst run stay in america. jobs are leaving.

companies are leaving. the latest survey has 50% of families in illinois thinking they should leave the state. we are the worst run stay in america. we deserve better. i can change the system. i'm independent. i have been a driver of results my whole life. i know how to grow the economy. my opponent does not know anything about business. i will grow the economy and create jobs. i will cut taxes. >> ford knows a lot about business and i worked with for to create lots of jobs here in illinois. the same way with chrysler and many companies. my opponent doesn't understand facts. the illinois economy is growing. we have more work to do. we have worked with ford to take the company that had ne shift, they now have three ships. that is getting the job done.

my opponent talks about being a business builder he is the person who built a business teaching other businesses to outsource jobs to foreign lands. that is not building jobs in illinois. my opponent is a job eliminate or. i'm a job creator. the record shows for that. my opponent has made a fortune out of the misfortune of many other people. it is important to record shows that. my ads are positive we talk about what we have done with ford and workers across illinois. >> a follow-up? >> can you give a specific example of successful companies owned by you that have created jobs? and how you are going to use that experience to attract businesses into the state and create jobs. >> we have built one of the most

respected, successful companies in america at my firm. we have helped create successful businesses. 20% annual returns for teachers retirement. pat quinn is a miserable failure on jobs. illinois is one of the lowest job grading states. we have lost 48,000 manufacturing jobs during his tenure. we have lost 2500 jobs just last month here in illinois. >> let's take a look at the record. those are the facts. my pony has had 12 businesses go bankrupt. -- my opponent has had 12 businesses go bankrupt under his command. that is not a good business record. if that is it for the people of the one no thank you. we don't need that at all.

we need to have a governor who understands everyday people, the need to invest in education and skills and training. question -- >> if the illinois supreme court should strike down the pension reform bill passed last year as many credible, legal experts predict, what is your plan to resolve the growing pension debt? i have heard you say you don't take an aspirin until you get a headache but the voters of this state want and need to know what will you do if the court says the headache never went away. like my father taught me never taking an aspirin before you get

a headache. i do believe the law is constitutional. it is a bipartisan measure. my opponent tried to sabotage it. what i would do is work again with the members of the legislature, both parties on a plan that the supreme court outlines is constitutional. that is what you do when you build a majority. my opponent wanted me to veto that bill and i signed it because it was the right thing to do. we passed a bill to make sure that we protect pregnant women on the workplace. they are being discriminated against. i signed it into law. any time there is a need to get a law passed i know how to work. i have a record. my opponent demonizes legislators and public employees, public health workers. that isn't a way to get anything done. >> will you do if elected? should the courts say it is unconstitutional? >> pension issues is one of the

biggest challenges we have faced as a state. he dumped it in the lap of the assembly. i believe the pension changes made are unconstitutional. i oppose them. i do not believe it is fair to reduce the pension benefits for people who are already retired and i do not believe it is fair to reduce benefits of hard-working folks. the right answer is to create a second pension plan for future work, it is not privatized as quinn has tried to spend. it is more affordable. it will allow our economy to grow. he is desperate to bring up social issues because he can't run on financial issues. he has failed on what matters.

>> i have a follow-up to eric is >> i have a follow-up to eric is question. you didn't give us a company where you created any jobs. >> i would encourage you to go to the website for my old firm. there are hundreds of companies there. >> you don't remember. >> there are so many. we couldn't have been the most successful investment company, among the top performers. we are one of the top investment companies, generating great returns. there are hundreds of companies with great performance. >> his company laid off 1100 workers and gave a huge bonus to an executive who was running the company, and give gift cards to the laid off workers.

he has a record of laying off workers, outsourcing jobs, and running around illinois 22 cut the minimum wage. this is not the way to treat people. he has no record of doing the right thing when it comes to jobs. >> since you didn't specifically answer that last question about how many jobs you have created i'm going to try another one. you said you will increase education spending. how much do you increase spending by in the next budget, and where will those support come from? >> this is the most important topic we can discuss. education is the key to the american dream. i have a proven record over 25 years of being an education reformer and advocate. i have donated tens of millions of dollars to improve public education. bonuses for teachers.

i have been dedicated to education. we have a $36 billion state budget. there is money the budget for education if leaders make education the priority. pat quinn has been a disaster. it has been nowhere on his agenda. he has cut into education funding by half $1 billion. i will increase it by half a billion dollars. >> money cannot buy facts. we have increased classroom spending. every fact checker has said that.

my opponent would cut it by $4 billion laying off one out of every six teachers. he has demonized teachers. i believe in teachers. it is important we invest in education. that is why we would give the biggest investment in early childhood education in the history of illinois and increase scholarships for students to go to college. my opponent would wreck that. he has a plan that will give himself $1 million tax cut while slashing the education budget. so he and his millionaire friends can get tax cut. i'm against giving tax cut to the wealthy. >> you say you will increase the budget by half a billion dollars.

where will you cut? >> cutting wasteful spending and having a growing economy. pat quinn has a massive wasteful spending. experts of estimated illinois taxpayers pay half a billion dollars in taxes. we have rampant corruption under pat quinn. we do not have a growing economy. i will get our economy growing. >> i want to pay our bills and make sure we are true to our kids. it means investing in public health. my opponent would have savaged cut across the board and public safety, public health, and schools. i have the courage to tell people what they need to know.

>> thank you. next question is pensions. many private businesses do use, what is wrong with that? >> i don't think a 401(k) plan is the way to go in illinois. the best way is to reform the system we have. that is what i got done. if we had a liability that i did not create, although as governor every day i have paid the proper amount into the pension system. that is why we had the liability. we enacted reforms in a bipartisan way. my opponent was trying to hurt that. now we don't go forward and make illinois a better state. i believe it is constitutional.

the bottom line is you have to take on hard things on behalf of the common good. my opponent is about easy street. he wants to get himself a tax cut and hurt our children and workers all across illinois. i do not think that is the way to have a better state. i think the minimum wage is a good way to help hard-working people live from paycheck to paycheck. >> we have a massive economic failure in illinois. governor quinn is running on scare tactics.

i will increase education funding. he is saying up things -- he is saying false things and making up numbers. his only answers to raise more taxes. he wants to take away another paycheck out of every working family. that is what his tax hike does. that is not their great illinois already overpays. real estate has gone up 30%. his only answer is more taxes. that is not the right answer. pat quinn has been governor for six years. he and mike madigan have controlled the system and failed. we need to go in a another direction. i will get that job done. >> the state treasurer has $6 billion in unpaid bills. that means social service agencies and hospitals, and not profits not only don't get paid, they have to borrow the money, and lay people off. that is embarrassing. >> our state has made progress at paying the bills. we have paid down the bills.

now they are closer to a 30 day cycle, which is what most businesses do. we have more work to do. if we adopt the plan of my opponent we will go back to where we were. we have been able to pay down those bills to service agencies. keep in mind my opponent says he doesn't want the income tax. he wants the bruce rauner, a tax on services of everyday people across illinois, including trash collection. >> pat quinn has failed. he keeps making up stories, false attacks. he can't run on the truth. here is a fact. we are losing jobs. taxes are crushing our economy. yes taken away one week's paycheck. we are at the bottom of economic

growth. we have lost 48,000 manufacturing jobs. we are of the lowest job creation states in america. all he criticizes is my success, which i am proud of. >> what is your opinion on right to work laws as they apply in other states, and would illinois be better off as a right to work state? >> it could be a local control issue. i am not advocating for that. that is not a priority. there are other priorities. bringing down tax on corporations and growing our economy. pat quinn has been a disaster on job creation. he has taken the time, his answer is i'm a millionaire and i am bad.

you don't judge a person's heart by the size of the wallet. the roosevelt family was very rich. the kennedy family was very rich. he criticizes me for being a self-made guy. i didn't inherit a nickel. i made my way through school and work hard, build a lot of successful companies, make great money for the teachers and police officers of illinois. my wife and i have given back tremendously. we love chicago and the state of illinois. we have got to have success down and sprinkled. >> look at his business record. he advocated the elimination of the minimum wage. people who work very hard, making $8.25 an hour. he wants to cut their minimum wage. it is not right that my opponent started a company to show other companies have to outsourced jobs.

he has laid off thousands of people, giving them little or nothing. i don't think that is a way to grow the economy. the facts are clear. illinois jobs are out. thousand jobs created in two months. those are good jobs to be a decent wage. instead of trying to cut the minimum wage you ought to try and keep illinois people working. >> the question was about right to work laws. you said you favored right to work zones. what is that? >> they are opportunity zones is what i call them.

we have brutally high unemployment. >> you have a website that called them that earlier this year. >> i believe in creating opportunity zones. governor quinn has led huge unemployment problems in so many communities. >> unions would not have any power, jurisdiction? >> we create areas where the taxes are extremely low and the business regulations are extremely -- so we can grow jobs there. we have brutally high and a plum in african-american communities of 30%. pat quinn has failed. likes could you address? >> my opponent wants to bust unions and harm the ability to have a decent wage, these conditions, benefits. these are code words. when he says less regulation, billionaires like him can grow their own bank account at the expense of everyday people. i believe in the right to organize a union, be in a union. my opponent demonizing teachers, one of the most important

vocations on the planet. >> on the subject of wages, your opponent in the last debate made a point about the minimum wage which you have been pushing for, and he said he wondered why you hadn't done anything about being a minimum wage passing in springfield. you have been governor for a long time. why haven't you taken action? >> i have worked on raising the minimum wage on many occasions. the best way we passed the citizen utility board, we put on the ballot. people voted for it. they convince legislators this is the right way to go.

we're going to raise the minimum wage. we have people with a chance to vote at the ballot box on an important economic issue. my opponent is advocating the elimination of the minimum wage. he wants to cut the minimum wage on people doing the hardest job in society. i know how to build a majority we are going to get it done. i raise the value of the income tax credit, tax relief for working families. we did that by building a majority. there is a principle as old as the bible. if you are working hard, you shouldn't have to live in poverty. when obama was here last night he said raise the wage and i

agree with him. >> pat quinn has been a failure on the minimum wage. he has had six years to be governor. he could have led a minimum wage increase. he has not. he is a phony on the minimum wage. i will get a minimum wage increase. i will do more than that. i will make it so the families of illinois are out for maximum opportunities. we shouldn't be a high unemployment states like we are, where people are hoping to get to the minimum wage. we should have an economy where people are stuck at the minimum wage. i will become pro-business and pro-growth. pat quinn is a phony on the minimum wage and on term limits. he used to say he was for term limits until he got power.

you do the day after you are elected? what specific steps will you take again after trying over and over again to actually get something done? build a majority in the months of december. we will have minimum wage of at least seven dollars an hour. he's is a champion name caller. he thinks to wait to get ahead is to call the other guy different names. sinceeen for term limits 1994. i got 500,000 signatures for that. he wasn't there at all. i think a record of sticking to issues. recall adoptedet by sticking to it and that is how i will get the minimum wage done, work as we stick to it and convince the legislators.

>> we need leadership. at kit has failed. -- pat quinn has failed. there's a reason why i've been endorsed by eight of the prominent newspapers here in illinois. they know i'm a leader, they know that i drive results. pat quinn has had no endorsements in the state. endorsed by the illinois chamber of commerce. they know i'm a leader and i will get things done. each ask a question of the other and mr. quinn has the first question. >> you've talked a lot about your company and the fact that you made some lunch company. you see you have 51 executives there was one, latino and now african-americans. not one executive of your company african-american.

when channel seven asterisk the this, he said he couldn't find any. diduestion to you is, where you look? >> my answer is that i have hired african-american in our firm, asian-americans, many other -- minorities. i will tell minorities, members of families in every community get results. are sufferingans brutally under you. brutally high crime, low wages, no jobs, deteriorating schools and a lack of social services. i will have the first latino -- latina governor in lieutenant-governor. you are taking the african-american vote for granted. you had a superstar that could have been your

lieutenant-governor. will i win this race, i ask stephanie to be in this administration. i want leaders like tony anderson. >> i didn't hear anything about where he was looking for executives in his firm. and not ones african american and he has in that firm. i asked him where he looked because he can said he couldn't find any. here in the state of the 13 million people, one of the largest state in union, we have a lot of talented men and women and he could not find an african-american executives to serve in his firm. lot aboutat serves a how he's going to do and government and his private life. the opportunity to question mr. quinn. mostwill come back to the

important issues of the campaign. pat quinn has not reformed our government. corruption.e when you lose on november 4, i'm only to win this race and turn our state around. if you lose, if you lose, will you commit to not raising the income tax, not getting that theme tax hike extension in lame-duck session? looks i will commit to that we have a proper budget for education, public health, and a time of crisis to make sure you public safety, we have to pay our bills. we need to have proper revenue, i will work with the legislature on that. does it only proper way to go. my opponent tomorrow he has a tax on services of everyday people. like to have your garbage if you want to adopt a child, that is what

billionaires do, they take huge tax cuts for themselves, $1 million in this case come and then savage cuts in our education. i will not go along with that, i don't think it is right. >> he is avoiding the question. we cannot allow this to happen. pat quinn got the income tax through in the lame-duck session with legislators that are leaving office after that vote. then he gave sweetheart government deals, sweetheart jobs and special deals to some that voted for that income tax hike. when he is a lame-duck governor, it is not right that he might put in income tax hike on the families of illinois. taxes already too high. to families around the state. the real estate taxes are too punishingly high. he has no the solutions.

>> thank you very much nns question and follow-up. >> the following question on education comes from the students involved in a fellowship, the mccormick foundation. there is no conclusive evidence on charter schools how they work better than neighborhood schools that are well-funded. the students want to know, why does the state in chicago seem to be on a path to create more tougher schools while neighborhood schools have been cut and even facing closing. and if that is the case, would you support a moratorium that stop of the creation of more chartered schools? >> i believe chartered schools are one option we should offer. the most important thing we can do is to have high quality schools and a lot of options so parents can choose the best school that fits their child, the most appropriate way.

charter schools are not perfect and they are not the ideal answer. chartered school should be an option. we should allow various options. we should have scholarship programs which i help fund, voucher programs, we should have innovative ideas and uses of technology so that classes can be offered from remote locations and we should bring vocational training back to public schools so our young people can be trained for the jobs available. >> would you support a moratorium? >> i would not support a moratorium. we need options for parents. we are failing in illinois because pat quinn has cut school funding. it is a fact. even -- pupil funding has gone down roughly 10%.

>> thank you. i do support a moratorium, at least a three-year moratorium. we need to get to the bottom of it to see if they are even working. he is a big fan of charter schools and i am not. it is important to understand that public education is the heart and soul of illinois's economy. i am running against a billionaire who wants to give himself a $1 million tax cut and give savage cuts to our public schools. he wrote an op-ed saying that teachers are paid too much, 23% to much. i think we should properly pay our teachers. they deserve our praise. it is one of the most important locations we have. i think we need to invest in that. savage, radical cuts to our luggage education as advocated by my opponent will never make it as long as i'm governor. i don't think it is right will stop i think it is important to make sure we have early childhood education. >> follow-up?

>> you talked a little bit about scholarship for higher education. our students also want to know -- what are you going to do if you are elected governor to actually make higher education more affordable, so that they can graduate without record debt? >> this is important. we have the monetary assistance program, map. i believe in that program and have proposed a budget that will double the number of scholarships under map. 140,000 students get $375 million for the scholarship. hundred 50,000 students qualify to go to college, but the money runs out. i want to increase those scholarships and double the amount of money for

scholarships. my opponent wants to slash the map program. >> would you do something different? >> pat quinn has been cutting higher education funding for years. one of the things we have brutally high in-state tuition that many families can't afford is because pat quinn has been cutting higher education funding, just like he has cut k-12 funding. he is making up false statements because he can't run the truth. we need to increase state support for higher education but we also need to cut the wasteful spending, the overhead in our public university. compared to other states we have a lot of waste. if we cut the waste we can have affordable tuition. >> follow-up for mr. quinn. >> governor, you made the point about him not having any african-americans in his firm, gtcr.

for the past 12 years, democrats have held majority in the illinois house and senate. a democrat has been governor. it is arguable that the most loyal constituency is african-american. how to u.s. governor explained the chronic unemployment, lack of business development, underperforming schools, and other deteriorating conditions in the black community? >> with respect to unemployment, my opponent is a job eliminator. he has started firms to teach other firms how to outsource -- >> there speaking about the african-american community. >> they and everybody in illinois. if you have somebody who is aspiring to be governor who wants to outsource american jobs, that is the wrong way to go. his record is one of laying off workers. that is how he made all his money. he has made a fortune of playing off people and i think the best way to create jobs is what i'm doing, investing in education for everyone. i think it is also important to have a public construction program that puts people to

work. i insisted on a program called employee illinois for minority workers get a chance to have straight jobs on the road, building bridges and schools. i was at the urban league for the kickoff of one of the training sessions. i think these are the ways you help everyday people, including raising the minimum wage. that will help a lot of people. >> governor quinn has been the outsourcer in chief. he has pushed jobs out of illinois on a massive scale. we are one of the lowest job creating states in america. we have lost over 48,000 and you factoring jobs under pat quinn, a hard fact. we are not creating jobs. that is crushing all families. pat quinn has been a disaster for african-americans.

brutally high unemployment, high crime, deteriorating schools, lack of social services -- he has taken the african-american vote for granted and you can see it every day. he could have had an african-american superstar. then he throws her off. i have been a lifelong advocate for the african-american community. 20 years ago i endowed a full professorship in atlanta to help educate african-american leaders. i donated tens of millions of dollars to help build public schools. i have funded bonuses for african-american teachers in chicago. >> follow-up? >> so what are you going to do to create jobs for young, african-american males, let's say. what will you do? >> we need to focus in the local communities. one program i worked with this called a minority enterprise small investment company. we will work with that company. as governor i will create a minority enterprise investment company program.

that will make subordinated loads and equity investments in minority enterprises. they don't own businesses because we need the local businesses hiring local students. one man had to travel two hours to a job -- i have got a plan in detail to help grow african-american jobs. >> my opponent just said he is a lifelong advocate, but he couldn't hire even one african-american as an executive. take a look at their website. on our administration, african-americans are leading key departments with many different responsibilities. i believe in diversity. i think it is important when he talks about bonuses. he gives bonuses to corporate executives to lay people off or commit accounting fraud. my opponent has been giving bonuses to those who are laying off american workers, committing

crimes. >> i know you have several things you have talked about when it comes to attempts to reduce violence especially in urban communities. let's start with -- would you support a ban on assault weapons? >> here is the simple fact. we are not enforcing existing gun laws. we have tough gun laws in illinois. pat quinn is not enforcing them. the most important thing we can do is to keep them away from criminals. pat quinn is not doing that. we have purchases that he is not stopping, police officers who aren't properly equipped, police forces that aren't properly staffed. he is a disaster on gun and enforcement. but the other real driver's lack of opportunity. that is what really drives violent crime because young people are so desperate to have an income for themselves and the future that they resort to joining gangs. i will bring mentoring programs

into public high schools so the most vulnerable students can get role models to help them stay in school and given advice on jobs. i will increase education funding to our schools, pat quinn has cut it. i will bring vocational training to high school so many young people are trained for jobs that are available. >> with respect to increasing education funding, which he cannot do with his budget, i hope he doesn't bring those executives who had to go to jail who had committed accounting fraud for him. as far as the assault weapons ban, i am for banning assault weapons. my opponent is afraid of the lobby that protects assault weapons. i think we need a governor strong enough to say to that lobby that we are going to get the law passed to protect public safety. i have signed many laws that have put stronger penalties on those who commit crimes with guns, including one this year dealing with lost and stolen

guns. i want to thank a senator for his leadership -- i was with him when we signed that bill. a great police officer shot down and i know his mom and i know his dad. i think it is important to have a governor who understands firsthand how important it is to protect everyone from violence, and i have. i understand how we need to make investments with summer jobs and afterschool jobs and weekend jobs to keep kids out of trouble. >> separate follow-ups. why don't you want to say yes or no? >> i want to focus on what is going to get results. we can get results. pat quinn has been a disaster on crime. in his six years in office we have had terrible crime, violent crime, in chicago and rockford and decatur. violent crime is crushing the families of illinois. pat quinn has been a failure on police staffing, on enforcing existing gun laws, at creating opportunities for young people

in the most impoverished neighborhoods. i have got a plan that we will grow the economy dramatically. i have been a business builder. he knows nothing about creating jobs. >> what a you want to make the income tax permanent? >> i said we should maintain -- >> i don't understand -- >> that is my answer. i let out my budget six months ago very clearly. we need to maintain the income tax, and give annual, direct property tax relief of $500 to every single homeowner in this state. that is a specific, concrete plan. it also includes tax relief for families. that is what i stand for. i'm going to keep doing it until we get it done. >> so you are saying yes, give the permanent tax increase. >> i said in my budget that the proper way is to invest in

education, to make sure we have property tax relief that is specific, annual, that goes to people who need it the most. more than 2 million homeowners in illinois every year will get a $500 property tax refund. >> thank you. the next question, erica. >> the illinois slate legislature approved temporary driver license for undocumented immigrants. there are many residents that cannot get an appointment due to the overflow of people. governor, it seems your administration has underestimated and underfunded this program. we want to know -- what are you going to do to solve this problem so they are safer? >> the program is actually under

the secretary of state's office. the secretary of state needs more budget money in order to properly handle this particular issue. i am very open-minded to that. i think it is important that there have been plenty of appointments for people who have come to take their test and prove they are capable of driving. >> then why haven't you given them the assistance? >> i maintained the revenue necessary to help the secretary of state to help our state police. i think it is important that we not have radical and extreme cuts in our budget. my opponent wants that. he doesn't want to deal with the consequences of that which is often agencies like our department of public health that has got to be on the front lines to protect all of us from contagious diseases. it is important that we properly invest in that. just to give a billionaire a million dollar tax cut -- that is what he is all about. he wants to give cuts to his

fellow millionaires and billionaires at the expense of our public health, secretary of state -- it is important we have proper investment in those agencies. >> what initiatives do you propose to improve the life of immigrants? >> i am very pro-immigrant. i support the dream act and comprehensive immigration reform and i want to make illinois a welcoming state for immigrants all over the world. you raise an important issue in the travers license of ministration process. pat quinn has been a disaster in administering the government will stop we waste billions of dollars under pat quinn and he wants to initiate further x hikes. his corruption and his cronyism -- even pat quinn's own people have said that there is over half $1 billion in wasted spending. the bureaucracy that runs the state. pat quinn has not touched it because that is where his

patronage is. that is where his campaign cash comes from. it is corruption, it is wrong, and it takes money out of our schools and out of our social services. >> let's go to laura washington. >> you once said that you would veto the same-sex marriage bill in illinois. the bill is now law. supreme court rulings have recently opened the door to the law going through in other states. what would you do to a short lgbt families and couples that you would uphold the marriage law and illinois, and ensure other protections for lgbt families? >> i have been very clear on this -- i want everyone at home to understand my position. marriage equality is the law in illinois. i support the law. i do not support ever-changing it or appealing it, period.

while we need to focus on now -- other important issues that really matter. we have got to focus on jobs, taxes, schools, ending the corruption. i will get results. pat quinn has been a failure and he is desperate for other issues to come up. he and i are largely aligned on women's rights. he keeps trying to bring it up and make it an issue. he keeps trying to bring up the marriage equality act. it is the law now and i'm comfortable with the law. we need to move past it and protect it. we need to focus on what we can do now to grow jobs and reduce the tax burden and improve our schools. i will get that done. >> this issue was a lot like the assault weapons. my opponent wants to have everyone have a right to have an assault weapon of military style. i want them banned. i have the courage to say it. when it came to marriage equality i advocated for it.

the night it past my opponent said he would veto it. now he is a supporter. we have to understand that there are people in the government who have to lead the legislature to do something important for the future of our state. that is what i did with respect to marriage equality. on the issue of corruption -- my opponent has a lot of explaining to do. one of his nursing home operations was found by the state of georgia to have to pay a $13 million fine for cheating medicaid. they took the money for themselves and let vulnerable people -- left vulnerable people helpless. that is what my opponent is all about. he doesn't take any responsibility when things go wrong. he just takes the money and runs. >> we are dropping follow-ups in the interest of time. >> governor, how are you getting

along with the speaker? he filed a court action against you to restore lawmaker paychecks. he was conspicuously absent from governor's stain springfield. is he the most powerful person in the state, and what have you done or will you do to restore the governor's power and prestige? >> i think i have a lot of power and have used it wisely. i was able to get the earned income tax credit, i disagree from time to time with the speaker of the house. i have suspended legislative pay including his own and my own in order to get a -- an important reform passed. sometimes you have to get along with legislators of both parties in order to get important laws passed. that is what i have done. i think it is important to have a governor who can get reform laws passed. i have gotten ethics laws

passed. >> how are you going to get along with him if you are elected? >> i will get results because i have the ability to lead. pat quinn has been a failure. i have gotten to know every member of the general assembly. >> you are calling them corrupt. >> there is corruption in springfield, everybody knows it. when it comes to working and getting legislation drafted, i will use my leadership ability to get things done. pat quinn is a failure with the general assembly. even the president was quoted saying he is irrelevant to most of the governing process down there, and leaders in the general assembly say they need someone like me. >> do you really think -- >> we are out of time for questions and it is time for closing statements. mr. quinn. >> we have a stark choice. i think it is important that we keep our economy moving and state moving forward and that is

what i am all about. my opponent wants to take us back. he has a budget plan that will sabotage our education. it will cut other parts with radical cuts. it is important that we maintain our investment in education. that is what i have proposed in our budget. some early childhood educational the way to college, improving our scholarships. my opponent wants to cut that back. i don't think that is the right way to go. i believe in raising the minimum wage. my opponent is adamantly against the minimum wage. i have fought for everyday people all my life in government and outside of government. i organized a petition drive for a referendum that set up the citizen utility board. that is getting the job done. i fight hard for our veterans and all of our public servants who are out there sacrificing for us. they know they have a friend in pat quinn. i have been endorsed by firefighters, police officers and all kinds of public servants who know it will get the job done.

>> i love illinois. this is home. i raise my six children here. i can't stand to see our beautiful state is deteriorating under governor pat quinn. we have become the worst run state in america. debt, unemployment, crime. we can do so much better. i will drive results. i have been a problem solver my whole life. we will get more jobs in the economy and get the government efficient. we will invest in education so we have the best schools in america. i have dedicated 25 years to that goal. we will deal with the corruption under pat quinn. we will rip the system out at its roots. >> thank you. we have time only to say good night and please vote. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by the

national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] you can watch this and other debates on our website, www.c-span.org. we also have ads for races from around the country. here is a look at the ads running in the illinois governor's race. >> the highest unemployment in 30 years. more illegal jobs for cronies. one of the worst unemployment rates in america. corruption or incompetence? pat quinn failed his jobs. now he wants four more years. >> do you know how many professionals work at rauner's investment firm? do you want to guess how many of those are african-american? none, zero, not a single african-american. when abc news asked, he said he

couldn't find anyone. >> we weren't finding the folks. >> now you are running tv ads claiming how close you are to our community. did you think no one would ever find out? >> i am a lifelong democrat. i am for bruce rauner. he will change things up, i know he means it. bruce doesn't have a social agenda. he has an economic and education agenda. i am diana rauner. this isn't about democrat or republican. this is about our future. that is why i hope you will be for bruce too. obama and iichelle know pat quinn. i have seen that pat has the courage to do what is right. now, pat is fighting to raise the minimum wage. create jobs ato home instead of shipping jobs

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from buffalo, new york, this hour-long debate comes courtesy of wned tv. >> from buffalo, new york, it is election 14, the race for governor. sponsored by the buffalo news and wned wbfo. this debate features rob astorino, andrew cuomo, howie hawkins, and michael mcdermott. >> support comes from for eyes -- from verizon. >> we provide answers and communication solutions that will help create a better tomorrow for our communities. we are proud to support this broadcast of the 2014 gubernatorial debate.

>> from the wned wbfo studios, here is brian meyer. [applause] >> thank you and welcome to all of you watching and listening across new york state. we will learn more about four candidates for governor who are seeking your vote on election day. republican rob astorino is let's meet the candidates. republican rob astorino is serving as westchester county executive. democrat andrew cuomo became governor in 2011. he is running on the and tendons, working at the independents, working families, and equality lines. howie hawkins is a syracuse resident and longtime activist. the rich. party candidate michael mcdermott is a former real estate developer. he ran for congress in 2012. gentlemen, welcome. the candidates will be taking questions from our panelists. they will also answer video questions submitted from voters. here are the rules. each candidate will have one minute to make an opening statement. questions will alternate and

each candidate will have one minute to answer. a bell will ring when the time has expired. follow-up questions will be limited given time constraints. video questions submitted by voters will be submitted to all candidates who each have 30 seconds to respond. at the end of the question and answer period, each candidate will have one minute to make a closing statement. during the debate, candidates are not permitted to use any prepared notes, visual aids, or props. we ask the candidates to stay on-topic and not interrupt one another. time limits will be enforced. the league of women voters of buffalo-niagara will keep time. mr. cuomo, you have one minute for your opening statement. >> let me begin by thanking tonight's sponsors and the panelists. my pleasure to be back in buffalo once again.

applause to all those people in buffalo for turning their city around. the buffalo bills are here to stay and they are winning. so i say go bills and go buffalo. it has been my honor to serve governor of the state of new york for the past four years. if you remember where we were and you look at where we are now, there is no doubt that the state is better off and better in general. when we started four years ago, the government wasn't even working. we now have the lowest taxes in over 50 years. we have more jobs than we have ever had before and we have democrats and republicans working together again. the state is better because it is stronger, it's safer, and it is more progressive. one of the options in this campaign is an ultraconservative philosophy that disrespects women, minorities, and immigrants. i reject that. i believe we have more work to do, but the hour is pointed in our direction.

>> i have been an organizer for peace, justice, labor and environment since the 1960's. i served in the marine corps said i have had working class jobs on construction sites and all loading docks. i started successful small businesses, including a co-op that built solar energy and energy efficiencies for homes and businesses. i am running for governor to go to work for the 99% of us, the middle class people who are overtaxed, underserved and underpaid. i am calling for a green new deal for new york. it would guarantee everybody the right to a useful job, a living wage, affordable health care, affordable housing, and a good education. the centerpiece is to fight climate change by banning fracking and moving to 100% clean energy over the next 15 years. it's time for real change.

>> mr. astorino, you have one minute. >> thank you very much. i am running for governor because new york is losing and losing badly. we have the highest taxes in america, the worst business climate, the worst economic outlook. our economic recovery is an anemic .7%. we have cities that are losing. poverty in buffalo is off the charts especially with children. we cannot allow for more years and 400,000 people leaving the state because of this gentleman. we need to cut taxes in a real way. that tax cut will make us the most competitive in the northeast and will get this economy moving again so people can go back to work. we also need term limits. one way is to clean up the corruption of the andrew cuomo administration. we also need to get rid of cuomo's common core and get

better standards provided by our own teachers. we also need to get rid of the unsafe act. right now, the privileged and the well-connected are doing very well under andrew cuomo's term. the rest of us, not so much. that is who i am representing. >> mr. mcdermott, you have one minute for your opening statement. >> i want to thank everyone who sponsored this debate. i want to give a special thanks to governor cuomo for insisting that i be here. not for him, i probably would not be here. thank you, governor. i am here to ask you to listen closely what is said in this debate. don't listen to democrats or republicans. listen as fellow new yorkers. you will get to a point where we can empower new yorkers to take their lives back, so look carefully and listen carefully. please, listen to everything that is said. the libertarian philosophy that we espouse them a one of individual liberty, individual freedom, and strong adherence to

the constitution. that is what we are here to do. thank you very much and i look forward to the debate. >> the first question comes from bob mccarthy, political reporter for "the buffalo news." >> let's get right to it with a question on economic development. the two major candidates have outlined far different approaches to fostering economic development in new york. mr. cuomo has established targeted programs like the buffalo billion and start up new rk in ich he claims success while mr. astorino proposes lower taxes and a less regulatory climate will resort in even more success. what is your take on that? >> i think it is a very good question. i have had some experience with start up new york. i am not in favor of it. i think the idea of bringing companies and having a 10-year tax break is good news to me.

but i have tried it with some company's i have worked with and it is difficult to deal with. it does not include a lot that it needs to include. so i am not a big fan of it. i have seen a lot of commercials lately. they have spent 200 million dollars in commercials. it sounds good but it is not working that well. i like the economic development idea. but i think we should do this as people of the state of new york, not as the government and the state representatives who are telling you what they are going to do, how they are going to do it, and then not fulfilling those promises. >> here's is what is happening in new york right now. we basically have massive corporate welfare. 21 billion dollars in tax credits to big corporations and billionaires. it is what is happening right now. andrew cuomo benefits from this tremendously. that is how he filled his $45 million war chest that he uses to attack me with negative and

false advertising all over tv. the governor gives tax credits and a wink and a nod. in return, he gets very big checks from corporations and billionaires. that is not economic development. that is bad economic policy. what we need in this state are not gimmicks. we don't need gimmicks. you need actually reducing taxes to make us the us competitive in the northeast. we know what the problems are. the problems are in albany right now. we have overregulation, massive taxes driving our middle class, our small businesses and our big corporations out of this state. people are following those jobs for better states. we have to put that to an end and change the climate in the state. >> mr. cuomo, you have one minute. >> rhetoric is fine. facts are better. the taxes in this state are the lowest they have been since 1953. corporate taxes are back to the level of 1968.

we just won an award from a business point of view, from number 25 to 4, from a conservative organization that studies taxes. so we brought down taxes and that has brought up jobs. this state has more jobs than it has ever had in the history of the state of new york. in terms of credibility, my friend, mr. astorino, when it comes to taxes, the psalmist their 20% tax cut, guarantee there would not be a tax hike. after five years, they are the number one taxed county in the united states of america and the county was downgraded. >> trickle-down corporate welfare does not trickle down to

working people and small businesses. we need a bottom-up plan that gives incentive to businesses to invest and hire. the best way we can do that is to commit to 100% clean energy over the next 15 years. we have a peer-reviewed study from cornell and stanford that says we create 4.5 million jobs, good middle income jobs. that is how we improve the business climate. cut the costs of doing business. cut electrical rates in half. have a single-payer system for the stay and lower property taxes by restoring the progressive taxes we had in the 1970's and the revenue-sharing we had then. they could lower property taxes and still pay for their schools and services. >> next question comes from karen dewitt of new york state public radio.

>> mr. astorino, my question is on fracking. what will happen with fracking in the next four years if you are elected? there is an ongoing health study. would you continue it in a publicly transparent manner? >> i won't be politically paralyzed like this governor is. 35 states have natural gas. their economies are booming. let's look at pennsylvania, ohio, north dakota. we can do that here in new york. president obama supports it. so do the energy department and the interior department. senators schumer and gillibrand support it. yes, we need to move forward this. the democratic party of the past said 200,000 jobs could be created. whatever it is, for the 641,000

new yorkers who are still unemployed right now, getting by on a second job, those are the jobs he pretends to have created. we need good jobs. this will lower energy costs, bring back manufacturing. it will be good for our taxes. it is what we need to get people back to work. yes, we will move forward, but make sure we protect the environment and the public health. >> mr. hawkins symbolically is on my left today. he believes that fracking is very dangerous. mr. astorino is on my right today and he believes fracking is safe. i say i am not a scientist. let the scientists decide. it is very complicated. it is very controversial. academic studies come out all different ways. let the experts decide. let the department of health and the department of conversation give me a report.

it is due at the end of this year. what the experts say is right, that is what i will do. it is too complicated for a layman. when he goes home to westchester, he is mark ruffolo. he passed a law that says fracking water -- fracking wastewater cannot be traded in his facilities or used on his roads. so it is safe of state, just not in westchester county for his family. >> my position is we should ban fracking because it is a danger to the climate. you burn gas. it does pollute the water and the land. we already know that from what we have seen in pennsylvania and around the country. 5% of fracking wells failed in 15 years. mr. cuomo says he is waiting for the science. but when science came back from the u.s. geological survey, his

administration wanted to change the results. so what is it? and then the study that you referred to is based on obsolete science. the supplemental generic environmental impact statement is six years old and it is based on the environmental impact that is 22 years old. this is like a farce and governor cuomo should take a position before the election so people know where it he stands. i will ban fracking. >> very interesting question. listening to these guys, i don't know what the truth is. is it safe? is it not safe? the truth is we have to be sure it is safe. i am not willing to take a risk to our groundwater and our environment because we think it might be safe. i understand the need for jobs and to bring in money and all that. i think that governor cuomo, looking at or waiting for a

report, is a copout? it's hard for me to decide. i am against fracking until we can prove that it is safe. it is not worth the risk. there are other alternatives. you want to create jobs? there is something called industrial hemp. i don't know if you know what this is. please google it. industrial hemp cannot be smoked but it can create jobs. it does not need pesticides. you can have cheaper and better clothing. we can build a huge economy and jobs just by considering that option. nobody talks about it. the libertarian viewpoint is you can do what you want with your own land unless it affects somebody else. >> also on the panel is mr. gonzales. >> you appointed a special panel. you suddenly abolish your own

panel less than a year ago. and then press accounts say they are assured its members to quash certain investigations. the attorney is now probing what happened. how do you respond to those who call this the darkest stain of your first term? can you assure us tonight and that your office never sought to interfere with the moreland commission or any attorney general investigations prompted by or even the current federal probe? >> yes, i can. thank you for bringing it up because there is a lot of misinformation and this is an opportunity to clear it up. number one, we appointed a commission. i said to the chairman of the commission who happens to be the preeminent district attorney of the state of new york and my opinion, who happens to be a republican.

he says you make all the decisions. yes, people gave him advice and he had public hearings. but he has repeatedly said he made all the decisions independently hearing he has been saying that for months. second, i wanted the commission to get a law passed. that is why i am powered them. i said to the legislature, when you pass the law, the commission will go away. they passed the law. they redefined bribery, was applauded by all the da's, and that is what we needed, a new law so that da's could actually prosecute. and that is what we produced. >> mr. hawkins, you have one minute. >> when i am governor, i would really panel of the moreland commission on corruption and let them investigate. to deal with our pay to play culture in order to open the doors for special interests to

get tax breaks and favors, i favor a system of full public campaign financing where everybody makes reasonable contributions and get their petitions done and they get an equal grant. they have to participate in a series of public debates. what has been passed in the legislature -- we have a limited amount of public campaign financing yet unlimited time to -- unlimited private funding. it puts a little public money on top of the old system that needs to be changed. they should work full-time for us as legislators, as public servants. >> and i have been watching tv. i see all sorts of commercials from one side of the other. democrats accusing republicans of corruption. republicans accusing democrats of corruption. i think they are both right.

i am tired of it. i don't want to hear about the stuff. if you want to have a moreland commission, who do you trust to have the answer? we have to get people back into the process. new yorkers have to decide for themselves who is corrupt, who is not corrupt. i know one thing. i am not corrupt. i just want to represent the people. we just have to do this because i am tired of all these negative ads. we have so much work to do. as governor, i will make sure that not only is there no corruption, but it is not the democrats or the republicans where the solutions lie. they are part of the problem. they are the problem. the solution lies in getting people involved. that is my firm belief, that the people have to be empowered to start deciding for themselves who is corrupt and who is not. >> four years ago, andrew cuomo pretended to be the reformer to come in, the white knight who would clean up the corruption in albany.

he called it an embarrassment and he was right. unfortunately, now he assuming -- he is swimming in the cesspool of corruption. we have a state where only in new york can the anticorruption unit be corrupted. so you are looking at andrew cuomo the rest of tonight. you will see a person who very well may be indicted after this election day comes and goes for witness tampering, of structure and of justice, failure to report crimes. we have seen this before in new york. it has to come to an end. governor, i would ask you tonight if you just talk the people directly, tell them the truth, raise your right hand and swear that either you nor your staff has been subpoenaed by the u.s. attorney with regards to the loan commission scandal.

>> i believe you have a follow-up question. >> to mr. cuomo first and others can respond also. about the interview today, he said in that interview the only way an investigative body can get to the root of a problem is if it is independent. mr. cuomo, was the handle you set up independent? do you believe a panel has to be independent to get to the root of the problem? >> yes, the chairman said that a number of times. what mr. astorino said is truly outrageous. the u.s. attorney that he is now quoting, said about mr. astorino that he has given lies. he has been ordered to give videotaped statement under oath. when a u.s. attorney says you have done numerous false and misleading statements, that is federal speak for you are lying. he has been charged with racketeering, which is being reviewed by the manhattan da. and he won't release his taxes.

>> mr. hawkins, you have 30 seconds. >> mr. cuomo said many times this moreland panel was independent and other times it was a panel he created and he could shut it down. there has been an inconsistency there. you wonder why he shut it down when he said originally that it was independent. i hope the u.s. attorney is following through in his investigation. >> i feel like i should say i rest my case. [laughter] here we go again. who knows what the answer is? to believe that our government officials are not corrupt. i didn't hear the interview today because i was speeding along from albany to buffalo because i wanted to make the debate. i turned out to be the first one here. independent? absolutely. but who decides who the independent panel is?

we have to get the people back to power. it is about doing what is right and what is fair. >> a democratic consultant for andrew cuomo once said that he would say anything and do anything, including lie to get elected. you have heard it tonight. $20 million of completely false and negative ads. there is only one person here that has a criminal defense team. it's not me. it is andrew cuomo. why do you need a criminal defense team if you did nothing wrong? once again, would you like to tell the people of new york whether you have been subpoenaed and your staff has been subpoenaed by the u.s. attorney on the moreland scandal? >> we now have a video question by a new yorker. >> what is your position on common core and do you believe it is effective in educating the young people of new york? >> you will each have 30 seconds to respond.

we will start with mr. hawkins. >> common core is a package that includes high testing and modules from the state of education department. i hear from teachers and students and fans who feel this whole package is a test and punishing regime, not an improving regime. that it narrows the curriculum and ignores a whole lot of things about education, inquiry, collaboration, projects. i want local parents and teachers and school boards to make decisions about curriculum assessment. they are the ones who care the most about those kids. >> common core is an abomination for our children. i have a nine-year-old. we go through three hours of homework every night. i end up doing it most of it for her because she does not get it. i don't get it either. i read it. i don't understand it. eight plus six is 14. it is not eight plus two is 10,

take two away from six to make for -- listen, eight plus six is 14. that may be minimizing it. we have to do a lot better than common core and we can do it. >> cuomo's common core is an unmitigated disaster. the rollout was terrible. the implementation is terrible. this is the federal government guiding our classrooms in new york. i would replace with better standards right here in new york with our own educators and our own teachers. teachers are testing automatons and that is not what they got into the field for. i am so opposed to common core that i started a stop common core line. >> cuomo's common core -- i have nothing to do with common core. it was established by the board of regents which it was established by the legislature.

i don't appoint anyone to the board of regents. i had absolutely nothing to do with it. the only thing i did do with common core was to stop the grading of common core. i agree with mr. mcdermott. it was chaotic. it caused stress and anxiety, too little learning. i stopped it with a five-year moratorium before the grades would count. >> this is election 14, the race for governor coming to you live from the wned wbfo studios. bob mccarthy has a question for mr. astorino. >> if you were governor, can you assure thruway motorists that there will be no toll hikes? especially in light of the huge cost associated with building a new bridge? >> one minute. >> what i have said is the bnt settlements of over $4 billion should be used directly for

infrastructure. the governor has put together the bridge. he deserves credit for that. however he has no plan to pay for it. we were supposed to know what the tolls were, that would double or triple, but he won't say anything until after the election. he tried to swipe $500 million from the clean water fund to pay for it. yet the tolls are going to go up. we know that because he won't admit it. the thruway authority needs work. so does the infrastructure. i said the $4 billion should go directly into infrastructure repairs. we pay the highest taxes in america and we have third world roads in this state. it is unacceptable. i would develop a plan to make sure that buffalo and the thruway, all of new york it's some of that money for necessary roads and bridges repairs. some of it should be applied to the bridge so we don't have exorbitantly high tolls. >> i don't think he answered the

question. but for me, the answer is yes. the bridge is a great story. they talked about replacing it for 20 years and all politicians. they were fighting, democrats and republicans. they could not get it done. we brought everyone together. we are finally building the bridge after 20 years. everybody agrees that it had to be done. we came up with a new way to do it. we are saving a billion dollars in the construction. it will take another two or three years to build. we don't have the final cost to the bridge. we are applying for more federal funds. we are looking for subsidies. we will figure out the toll. you do not know the toll until you know the final bill. but it has to be affordable for commuters. we understand that. which is what we do with all the bridges and all the tolls obviously. that has to be a balance and it has to be affordable and it will.

>> i can't assure you that the tolls won't be raised. we have an infrastructure deficit. i would have a policy of public transportation before we get into private roads. we have an interstate that has to come down in my home city of syracuse. the discussion from the dot is how do we get people in and out from the hospital to downtown and nothing about the people in the city in the neighborhoods where they don't have a car and they cannot get to the suburbs from their jobs. we need to talk about public transportation. finance,o economically instead of going to wall street and paying huge finance charges, we could have a state bank like dakota does. then we get the interest in principle back in the treasury. we put the state money and operate the bank as the state of new york and we have long-term investments in infrastructure.

>> after listening to these guys, i'm not sure what the question was. it was will you raise the toll? personally, i would not raise the toll. iowa would also take the palisades. i wouldn't take the bridge. it's crowded. you know what i like about the palisades is that a little bit of it goes to new jersey where the gas is $.70 cheaper. why is that? [laughter] anyway, you can have an independent commission. you can do lots of things to try to make it seem like we can raise money. we already have a huge, bloated government. we have to reduce taxes. we have to the government down to its constitutional size. the trucks that travel over these roads can barely afford it. we have people fleeing new york because they cannot afford to travel the roads. i agree with governor cuomo. we do have to take care of a lot of these things.

but let's do it in a responsible way. people have to be empowered to make these decisions. these decisions cannot be made by democrats and republicans fighting over who is going to fund what. >> mr. cuomo, you said in a public radio interview that people with extreme views, such as antiabortion and anti-gun-control, don't belong in new york. can you oppose abortion or gun-control and still be welcome here? >> that is not what i meant. i don't have the exact words you are referring to. the ultraconservative philosophy that is being put forth by mr. astorino i think disrespects women because it takes away a woman's right to choose. i think it is respect minorities because he is being sued for discrimination because minorities cannot move into his county. i think it discriminates against

immigrants. i think it disrespects gaze by being against marriage equality. that is not who new yorkers are. and i don't believe there is political support for a politician who has that position. you want to have your own religious beliefs, god bless you , i respect to them. i happen to be catholic. i have my own beliefs. but i am not imposing my religious believes on the people of the state of new york. >> i think new york is a place for everybody and everybody should be represented in the political system. we should switch to a system of proportional representation. if your party gets 10% of the vote or 20% of the vote, you get 20% of the seats of the legislature and everybody is representated. we have these one-party districts because of gerrymandering. when they are redistricted,

there's no competition. i have six senate seats in syracuse and central new york where there is no opposition. that is one way to include everybody in the process of people are not feeling alienated. as far as the women's equality agenda goes, i am upset that nine items were held hostage. we could have had two years ago the pay equity and antidiscrimination and focus this election on the 10th item. then we need to expand the women's equality agenda to deal with the economic issues of working-class women. like minimum wage. the majority of minimum wage workers are women. >> i don't know governor cuomo personally. i know if that was said, he did not mean that. that is ridiculous. to seize on something like that, you know he didn't mean it. as a practicing catholic, you know his stance.

the libertarian platform works in a situation like this. i am personally opposed to abortion, of course. if i could adopt all those children, i would. but who am i to propose that i have a right or the government has a right to insist what a woman should be able to do with her own body? the libertarian platform is one of individual freedom. you should decide what you need to do. it is not for me to tell you. the women's equality party, it has nothing to do with women's equality. it has to do with another vote for andrew cuomo. same thing with common core. it's another vote for rob astorino. just say what it is. women are equal. they should have their own choice. they should say what they want for their own bodies and the government does not have the right to decide for them. >> shame on governor cuomo for playing the race card the entire campaign, including tonight. disrespecting women by

supporting shelly silver. shelly silver used hush money, cover up for sexual assault in the assembly and as attorney general andrew cuomo signed off and defended silver's right to do that silencing women. where was justice there? abortion is not going anywhere in new york. it was made legal way before roe v wade. that is used as a bogeyman so that he doesn't have to talk about why he is under investigation for corruption. and yes, abortion, i will not expand abortion in this state through nine months, which is exactly what andrew cuomo's bill will do and allow non-doctors to perform those risky surgeries. if you want to talk about abortion, let's get the facts out about how radical you really are and out of step with new yorkers, even pro-choiceers. >> public-school closing and the

spread of charter schools has sparked controversy. there are multimillion dollar ad campaigns and protests are better funding. they want all the need to lift -- they want albany to lift the statewide cap for charter schools. what is your position? what do you say to those who regard charters as a vital alternative to failing public schools? >> public schools fail because we are the most segregated state in the united states. we have concentrated poverty. those problems come into the schools and they are not getting the resources they need. then they are assigned as failed by these high-stakes testing. then they turned to charter from hedge fund investors who make money even those charters are nonprofit. this is a cannibalization of our public school system.

i am for equitable funding of public schools. we need to go back to the foundation 8 formula based on a court order to provide and every student with a sound basic education. we need to fully fund our schools. charters, i am not for expanding them. i am for reviewing those we have. if they are good, good and if they are not, they should be shut down. >> i don't agree with that. do you know what charter schools >> i don't agree with that and i'll tell you why. schools what charter are? they're publicly funded schools that have no local control. u.s. education secretary under ronald reagan said charter school is is the game. common core is the distraction. think about that for a minute. cannot have a charter schools expanded. we need to bring schools back to

local control. the local school board. there's no local school board with charter schools. know that mr. astorino wants to stop common core and all that, and that might be true, however he seems to support schools. charter schools is terrible, it takes away the people's control education of their children. and my little girl gracey, she's a charter school, and we may be force -- school before charter school. control our local education. i want local school boards and to teach.llow them >> mr. astorino, mun minute. publica big believer in education, i'm the product of public education. i was on the school board. my three kid go to public education and my wife is a special education teacher. tooks governor cuomo who apay 7.5 billion in school aid to