local control. the local school board. there's no local school board with charter schools. know that mr. astorino wants to stop common core and all that, and that might be true, however he seems to support schools. charter schools is terrible, it takes away the people's control education of their children. and my little girl gracey, she's a charter school, and we may be force -- school before charter school. control our local education. i want local school boards and to teach.llow them >> mr. astorino, mun minute. publica big believer in education, i'm the product of public education. i was on the school board. my three kid go to public education and my wife is a special education teacher. tooks governor cuomo who apay 7.5 billion in school aid to public schools throughout new

we want to get that back so we don have to have schools with our teach. thei want to go back to litany of nonsense he just talked about. i'm proud to be county executive of one million people, two to one democrat. it's the fourth most diverse county in new york and i can 13-pointelect twice by margins with the help of democrats, of women, of african-americans, and latinos, the latino vote in westchester county, in 25% of the african-american vote. the only i'm going to win this election, so i ask for your support in this election because we can make new york great again. but don't listen to his nonsense. when he throws out the race card idea.ause he has no >> mr. cuomo, one minute. as again, as opposed to rhetoric. mr. astorino's tax plan is tax cut for the rich, it would decimate public keanl

would decimate the budget. thear as race rests, federal government is suing one county executive out of 3,000 in the nation for discrimination, it's mr. astorino. they've taken $20 million from him. for discriminating in westchester county, because african-americans and latinos in the county. it gone on for five years. as far as a woman's right to choose, all my law says is cod v.wade which was a court case 40 years ago. is against that, he said said i'm a kat link and the catholic church is against abortion and be let it happen, it's ghastly. i understand that. i'm a roman catholic too. you uphold the law. you don't uphold your religion, woman's righta could choose. >> we now have another video question submitted by a voter. >> i am gary walters from

hamburg, new york. if you're elected to governor of new york, what type of financial provide forill you the buffalo bills for a new dome stadium? >> you each have 30 second to respond. >> i thought the miami dolphins coming to buffalo, am i wrong about that? role.ten, the state has a the state has a very strong role into making things right. buffalo bills might like to see a brand new beautiful stadium, and i think private should be involved. not the big corporations, but involved thatle can work on donationings and build at of thing to stadium. i think the buffalo bills are great, i would like to see them every super bowl and see them have a brand new stadium to support that. but let face facts. the people of the state of new york have to be empowered to decisions. >> i think ralph -- enough the stadium got

upgrade with county and state money. so i think the stadium looks good and i don't think tax money for a billionaire, who i'm glad bought the team, by the his lastto answer question. the battle with hud his old who he's rooting for, by the way, business the federal government wants to take over zoning in westchester and every neighborhood around this neighborhood, and put apartment buildings in any neighborhood. toothing to fight that and nail. he's rooting for his old agency at hud. >> mr. cuomo, 30 second. >> the federal government is trying to enforce the civil right laws that say you can't peopleinate against based on color of skin. the law was passed after martin as a tribute death to him. yes, the federal government enforces civil rights laws, and they say you are discriminating against african-americans and low income people, and it's a disgrace that it should happen in this state. my opponent is also against the buffalo billion, which has been a home run for buffalo, it's coming back big-time.

i don't want to talk about any more money for buffalo, i spend a billion -- >> mr. hawkins, you have 30 seconds. new owner has enough money if he wants a new stadium, he's a smart businessman, he got out of the fracking industry at its peak. if he does need it, however, if the state goes in we ought to have an ownership share. other owner we haute to get our share of the profits and be able to look at the books. that might be a better way to make sure the bills stay here permanently. like the green bay packers. ourke to see that here so team will never leave. >> thank you. this is election 14, the race lifeovernor, coming to you from the wned-wbfo studios. of's begin a new round questioning. >> mr. cuomo, if elected to a second term, will you pledge to term?a full four-year

>> if i drop deof a heart attack, does that violate the pledge? yes. >> okay. to minute much we now go mr. hawkins. >> if elected i'll serve a full you know, providing i'm alive and kicking. >> mr. mcdermott, one minute if you need it. >> i do, because it's a good go toon, but i want to another question. of course i want to stay for four years. my daughter is already manning on moving into the governors mansion, she's 9, but i said okay, honey. talk about this race card they keep talking about. the only race card that count is and the blue, that's it. i don't look at people as black, latino, and all the other races, we're just one people. to be --rs have the blue and the red that's the problem. that's what we have to take care of. if we have to come back and

getting people back involved, any time you come up with something, somebody see red about the races, it's and blue, folks. stop thinking like that. start thinking like new yorkers work on new york problems, work on what is best for new york. new stadium,ild a no matter what we do, women's core,rment, stop common we're new yorkers, we have the right to do what we have to do better get back to having the power to do that. >> yes, i will. to the racist stuff he's throwing out which is just despicable. have been endorsed by the of 'united black clergy of west cherser, the chairman of action network mo led democrats for astorino last year in my re-election. many latino and black leaders throughout westchester county. thatld never have gotten enforcement if we were racist. in fact, this lawsuit he's to was by the democratic administration before i got there, in fact his chief

staff now was the deputy county executive then who called it a dpash age lawsuit and he right. this is all about the federal government overreaching, coming west cherser and coming into your community next, and they're using this guise and near trying zoning and equating it with racism and segregation whatsoever.proof so i will defend every community in new york from federal government trying to put apartment building police any neighbor that they choose. he says the town he lives in, is where the clintons live, is racist and seeing regreated and -- don't think that's right. >> thank you. a question for mr. hawkins. we can stick to the topic of this question. new york is in the process of up a limited medical marijuana program. will be do you think it perform marijuana is completely legal in new york? and should it be? >> 60 seconds. >> if i'm elected governor i will push very hard for

legalization, regulation and taxation of marijuana like and coloradoate are now doing. we have an enormous problem of tens of thousands of people going to prison for nonviolent offenses for holding and using marijuana him and it's destroyed, it's communities, families and individuals, opportunities in life, it's been particularly at black and latino communities, so that while blacks, whites and latinos use drugs at the same levels, 94% of our prisoners in state are black ors latino for drug offenses much i would provide clemency for nonviolent drug offenders after marijuana is legalized, or even before, as well as those who go through the system so they they 'fore branded as jobs and housing. to examine the damages and make we canndations for how put these families back together. seconds.dermott, 60

>> i think i can stay on this topic. marijuana, the repeal of the prohibition of marijuana has been a libertarian platt for for last 42 years that we've been in existence in new york. mr. hawkins is absolutely right. jails are overfilled. the war on drugs is a dismal failure. to goana, if you want home and smoke a joint, that's your right, i don't care. i don't smoke it because it my choke like cigarettes do, but you have a right to put what you want into your own body. i agree that we have to not only, it's not a matter of of marijuana, it's about nullifying and repealing all prohibition concerning marijuana. marijuana is not the problem. the problem is the war on drugs jails filled with kids that were arrested and had stigma. when those kids come out, they can't get a job because they're felons because they smoked marijuana? i'm not talking about children aboutrse, i'm talking

adults. adults have the right to do when they want to do and should be what they want with their body. >> do i support medical marijuana in limited itcumstances, i think compassionate. i don't want the widespread recreational use of marijuana state who and i don't want a dispensary on every street corner. taxes,to go back to because i think he's become so tone deaf to what the average new yorker is dealing with right i've traveled all 62 counties, i've talked to a lot of people and they're looking forple are jobs, people are looking for a way out of new york, and that be.ldn't but under governor cuomo, taxes keep going up and up. westchesterto county. what he didn't tell you is in my five years i cut county taxes in new yorky county state. my been is smaller today than door, walked in the 1.8 billion to 1.7 billion. he can't say that in either one. and you know what, he should be thanking me. i'm his county executive. his county taxes went down. up, becausexes went

you failed on your number one issue back in this debate in 2010. mandates.ed so for all intents and purposes when your taxes go up it's because of a state property tax now under andrew cuomo. second.uoam e, 60 >> i support medical marijuana. i don't support legalizing marijuana. as far as the important items we discrimination, is the purview of the federal government. hascivil war was fought, it authority over the states. you are one of 3,000 county beingives, the only one sued, only one, only you. $20 million. and as far as taxes are concerned, the taxes didn't go westchester county, you were the highest taxed county in the state, highest taxed county of america.d states westchesterp 8% for homeowner. you'll say that was the towns and villages. game. shell

property taxes are killing this state. taxes,ed the state income taxes, corporate taxes. the property taxes are killing state. 400 governments in westchester or county executives should have called them together and said we have to find ways to save money because we're kill the taxpayer. will nowndidates deliver closing statements, eve candidate will have one minute and we will begin with mr. cuomo. >> thank you very much. doubt that this state has suffered for many, iny decade, especially upstate new york. we saw young people leaving, we saw jobs leaching. wasfrankly uptate new york abandoned by albany. there's a downstate mentality that took over and everybody focused on downstate, and upstate new york frankly didn't get the attention they deserve. we've reversed that. that's what the buff will billion is all about. when my opponent says he'll stop it, over my dead body. that would be saying drop

buffalo. upstate new york is coming back. our taxes are at historic lows, highs.s are at his oric 7.6 million jobs, more than ever before in history. people's rights. we have democrats and republicans working together again in albany. passed four budgets on time in a row, hadn't happened in 40 years. is more work to do to be certain, but the arrows pointed direction.t i want to keep doing it, i want to keep this state moving forward and keep upstate moving forward. >> mr. mcdermott, one minute for statement.g >> we started in any opening remarks i asked you to please yorkers, now i want to speak to you as a libertarian. common core,top vote libertarian this one type. you want to make a difference for new york? don't think that you can't vote, that you have to vote for a

republican, just tairns. minuter -- libertarians. you want to not have charter schools taking over our want local control over children, vote libertarian this one time. what you've done and don't continue to do what you've done every other time, other election. this time, vote libertarian. what do you have to lose? don't doears, if we what we say we're going to do, you can always vote for a or republican, they'll still be around. but vote libertarian one time, asking everyone in the audience. >> mr. astorino, you have one your closing. >> i'm running for governor and i'm ready to be your governor to really turn this state around, ourake it great again so families can live in this state and not think about leaving or actually leave.

have gonel your taxes down under andrew cuomo, they haven't, taxes keep going up everywhere. despite the fact that in west cherser we actually cut property the taxes still went up because andrew cuomo failed to towhat he said he was going do and feet rid of these mandate from albany. check out my plan, we can this state around for my yours.and becauseg spanish) together we can make this state great again. oner. hawkins, have you minute for your closing statement. >> i wish this was the first of debates. i think they had seven for governors race in connecticut. barely touched on the issues. i'm polling at 9%, that's a record for an independent progressive third party candidate in new york history, on a statewide election. go much higher.

i'm the only candidate on the ballot for governor who wants full employment. got a plan for it. who wants a minimum wage that's hour,ng wage of $15 an for single payer health care. for full public campaign financing, for progressive tax would givecy that tax cuts to 95% of us wild raising 20% more revenues we with the localities and really cut our property taxes. an energy system that would create jobs and cut our electric rate in half. policies are one mass. the majority of working class and middle chass people support. the vote we can win this election. tothis will bring our debate a close. thank you to our panelists and to the league of women voters for helping with tonight's program. we also thank the candidates, andrew cuomo,

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trust ultra conservative rob astorino? when he ran for westchester executive he promised to cut property taxes 20%. his word and vetoed a property tax cut. astorino, westchester has the highest property taxes not only in new york but in the nation. highest property taxes in the nation. if you can't trust him to manage in westchester, you could never trust him as governor. governor is supposed to represent all the people. representscuomo only elitist liberals in the city. cuomo doesn't care about you. his arrogance would wipe upstate off the map. extremehy cuomo forced gun control, cuomo banned rifles, banned magazines and violated the privacy of law abiding gun owners. quoam e took constitutional away from you. take the governors office away from him.

>> trust is everything to me. that's why all we've accomplished to fix state government, our job is not done until we've cleaned up the legislative corruption in albany. i am appointing a new independent commission led by top law enforcement officials all across this great state to investigate and prosecute doing. the politicianings in albany won't like it. it i work for the people, and won't stop fighting until we all we cangovernment that ke trust. >> andrew cuomo is spending of tax dollars on ads that are not true. rank last inate economic outlook? new york. theest property taxes in nation, most people leaving the state, you got it. york.e's new andrew cuomo's policies have new york last in too many categories. and no amount of taxpayer ads will change that.

has a proud history of fighting discrimination. that's why it's shocking rob astorino has repeatedly violated federal antidiscrimination laws for years. the only county executive in the nation who refuses to comply, $10 million in penalties civil rights violations. the "new york times" on die-hard resistance to civil rights laws didn't work out for the south half a century won't work now. ran astorino, so far right, he's wrong for new york. >> c-span's exin 2014 is than 100you more debates for the control of congress. stay in touch with our coverage and engage. on twitter at c-span and like us on facebook. tonight c pan's campaign 2014 coverage continues with debates virginia.a, and at 8:00 p.m. eastern the alaska u.s. senate debate between democrat mark begich

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>> now the final televised the candidates for senate in new hampshire. incumbent democrat jeanne republican challenger scott brown. the cook political report now tossup.e race as a rothenberg political report lists the race as leans democrat. this is an hour. >> welcome to the final night of debates.te state i'm joined by abc news chief

stephanopoulos, good to be with you. >> great to be back, thank you very much. this is one of the most closely senate races in the country, we awe know a lot of big money and big names have the state to try to influence the outcome, but it's all of you as the people of marp make this decision. >> thanks for being here. candidates. senator jeanne shaheen is serving her first term in washington, also a former governor. lives in madbury with her husband, they have three daughters. she will be facing republican challenger scott brown, he's a former senator and served 35 years in the national guard. his wife live in rye, they two daughters. we have asked our audience to throughoutapplause the debate, except for right now. please welcome our candidates. [applause] rules of get to the the road, we want to acknowledge

the death of former boston mayor menino, someone who was obviously well-known throughout new england. passed away earlier today. # onto business, here are the for the debate. you'll get one minute to pond to questions, we'll allow 30 second as needed. # there will be one round of candidate to candidate a questionand maybe or two will come from our voters. but mostly the questions will george, or ourf, panel. pindell,cludes james of the union leader. >> thank you. senator brown, the first question comes to you. the greatest threat facing america today and what can you do as senator address it? to >> the greatest threat without a doubt is radical islamic jihadists. nay are looking to actually a flag in the white house. they want to disrupt obviously

the middle east and other parts of the world, export terrorism around the region. real, it that's serious, obviously we have bow ka ram in africa, we have isis. is tonull one goal disrupt the society as we know it. as senator shaheen has called discussing fear mongering, i call it a very rational fear. is to create a consistency. because right now there's been steps, ass and half evidenced by second panetta. he has said that he wanted to leave troops in iraq during the pullout. he made it very clear that he wanted to do that. the president did not listen to him and as a result we're having trouble in that region. >> senator shaheen, do you agree that's the greatest threat? isiscertainly agree that is a threat. i think a bigger threat is not commitment and the gumption here in this country to

of isis, tothreat address other threats facing this country. opponent't share my view that isis or other terrorists are going to cause the collapse of this country. america is strong, we have the world,st military in the and we are going to take on this threat. we have a strategy to do that, billion an international coalition. the air strikes have already isis out hundreds of fighters and we are working with over 60 nations including arab address this threat. what we don't need is our concerns about our ability to take this on. on anythingan take that america sets its mine to do counting on.at i'm >> do you think it was wise of president obama to rule out the to combatund troops isis? >> we've already her from general dempsey and the other we don't need ground troops at this time.

if the president wants to send in ground troops, i think he needs to come to congress and ask for authorization for use of military force. and the fact is that when american interests are the right, we reserve to take any action. and i any that's true in this case. theright now we need to let iraqis, the kurds, we need to let the people whose countries these are do the fighting and we'll support them. >> so you're not ruling out ground troops? >> what i've said is i don't think we should take tens of andsands of american troops put them back into iraq as an occupying force. my opponent has suggested we should do. he said that we should think force like weying interview -- in an i don't think we want tens of asusands of american troops an occupying force for 60 years. >> let me pose that to you, brown. i was peeking to speaker boehner

did say ekes ago and he american troops would have to go in on the ground if other countries didn't step up. you agree? >> i want to rely on the generals on the ground the president and senator have already taken the greatest fighting force off the table while isis is not taking off the table. we are a liberating force, we are not an occupying force, senator. and i and every other person who served in the military resent that you are calling us occupiers. fact, what you have suggested and what others have suggested is that we should go iraq.nto and you suggested, and my opponent suggested in an we should look at this like we did in south korea. think that's what we should be doing. we don't want to send tens of thousands of american troops the middle east. what we want to do is support kurds, the iraqis on the .round as they do the fighting

>> we get an opportunity to sign a letter, senator ayotte, and i signed aan letter to the administration, please don't leave iraq as is. member ofaheen is a the armed services committee did not sign that letter. we're not talking about forces, we're talking about leaving a transition force as we've done in korea, germany, japan. having the opportunity to have the iraqi government lean on us when it's appropriate. dangerous.wise is to support the kurds we should have done it a long time ago, in thatour grt ally region. finally they're making gains the fact that you have called us occupiers, senator, with respect, is an insult to the men served.n mo have we are a liberating country for good, we are liberators and it's the men and women that have served this country and given blood, life and limb. >> thank you very much, senators, we're going to talk about a relate topic but much local.

>> thank you, josh. senator shaheen, the mother of foley, the journalist from new hampshire who was beheaded abc news, the state department and national repeatedlyficials threatened her family with prosecution if they paid ransom to save their son. this hard line necessary? or did the government mistreat family?y >> dan, i don't think that hard line was necessary. chance to talk to the foley family about what happened. barbarous murder is one of the this is that brought home to from isis.at i had the opportunity to question both secretary of state kerry and secretary of defense hagel about the hard line that we took, so that, because i think we need to look at how we're helping families who are situation that the foley family was facing.

we should do everything we can those families. i don't think we should pay ransom for americans because americans morisk are serving around the world. but i think it's very important withwe treat the families respect, that we do everything we can to help negotiate a any americans who are held prisoner. >> senator brown? toimagine if that happened your child? i can't even imagine. happened every one of us was deeply saddened. senator shaheen and i went to memorial service for the foley family. what the state department did was unconscionable. fact that they would use the strong arm of the federal government once again chipping a and freedomsghts and trying to do something important for the family to heal of mopehave the glimmer to get their child home, i would have done anything and one of my to get any children home, or friend of anyone that i knew. that's the problem with the government right now.

they're chipping away at our ushts and freedoms, telling what to do, and we should just be quiet.nd it's time to stand up and take back our rights and freedoms. onthe next question immigration. >> senator brown, you said that about ae even talk comprehensive immigration plan, you want to secure the border first. fine, let's begin with that. there are basically 7,000 miles of border, if you include the and northern portion. so give voters tonight a plan as to how you would scier all those miles and how much that would cost. i think the cost is very minimal in terms of the safety and security of our country. it's the number one priority right now. you use fences, walls, aerial surveillance, infrared, troops, border security personnel, natural resources. i voted twice to secure the and send troops. senator shaheen opposes that

effort. one issue iner people's mind because they're deeply concerned about not only coming through here illegally, but people who have krem intent or terrorist intent or be carrying some type of disease. we have to make sure that happens. the president is also seeking, as part of immigration, to legalize upwards of 11 plus million people and giving them enhanced benefits. goisagree with that, i will to the funding source and make sure that doesn't happen. he's preparing it right now. shaheen agrees with that effort, i do not. >> there's a cost -- >> i said the cost is irrelevant the safety and security of our country is the most important thing. when you have the federal government consistently wasting dollars, trust me, there's a lot of money in the federal government right now, steward oft a good your money. some of theking

waste and using it to secure the border. he hasident obama says big plans for immigration, after election day, and he's not going tell us until then. something that senator brown has called a ploy to protect obama's fellow democrats like you. you like to see the president say, and do you think it fair to new hampshire thers that he's delaying announcement? >> i don't think the president should take any action on immigration because we've got a bill on the floor that the senate passed with a strong bipartisan vote that accomplishes comprehensive immigration reform. what it does is secure the border. that by building 700 miles of border fencing, it ofost doubles the number border guards who are there. it increases surveillance, all brownings that senator said he wanted to do are part of including an en verify system so that people who are hiring can determine whether or illegaling legal

immigrants who are here in this country. it also provides for surveillance and interdiction efforts. that bill had the support of senator ayotte, it has the support of senator mccain, rubio. it has a strong bipartisan vote. it's the kind of bill we should pass if we're going to address this issue. >> folks, if you've seen a tv at any time in the last year you probably know already which candidate on stage tonight is characterized as a blind my loyal foot soldier who cab say no to president obama and which candidate is being painted as a back street politician who from new hampshire, the ads have been out for month. our voters, here's a chance to defend themselves. what is theeen, last big policy disagreement you can point to that you've had with president obama? disagree with the administration's proposal for another round of base closing. readinessthe subcommittee, senator ayotte is

the ranking member of that proposal to close our paces mass to go through our committee. i have said without any hesitation, that we are not going to do another round of toe closings, i am not going put at risk the shipyard and other bases that are important to our national security. to go back to the border question, because one of things that my opponent has said in the last couple of days close the've got to border because we've got people coming across with polio and diseases. the fact is, we haven't had is spherehis hem since the early 90's. so this is another effort to scare people about what's happening at our border. even the former republican said that scott brown is trying to scare people about border. >> senator brown, fear mongering? of whichterovirus, there are polio-like symptoms is

in our country right now, that's what i was referring to. since the senator brought up the importantthink it's to discuss, once this bill if the bill that the senator is passed ando had been the president signs it, it immediately gives him the to give preference to people that are recently here jobs. for newo fight for jobs hampshire. if you read the recent article about the jobs that are right immigrantso illegal and new people to our state, 70% are going to those people. make sure we can protect jobs right here right scaringh regard to people, i've held six town halls. go around our state all the time talking about these very important smeus. this is what people are talking theirabout, they want border secured. they want to make sure that their kids and families are safe. >> senator, the politics and askedtion of this race, i senator shaheen what was the

last big digs agreement you had with the president. what's the last time you've agreed with this president on a major policy issue? goingommented him for after bin laden, i thought it showed great courage, i told him personally that time, is since however, there's been hesitations and half steps, not withwith iraq but dealing obviously bokoharam, our energy policy, there's just a lack of coherent policy on issue after after issue. and the problem is that senator enforcing those last sixlicies for the year. >> you've been asked a number of times why you're running in new hampshire and you say because you live here. but the reality is you did live in massachusetts before the last year. a lot of people are wondering why did you move to new hampshire. has know senator shaheen made my residency and my personal family choices a andral part of her campaign i'm glad to have the opportunity

to discuss it. portsmouthat the naval shipyard, the very place you want to save, and i appreciate that effort. was a waitress, my dad was an airman, they met, fell in had me, the first i livedars of my life in portsmouth. i'm a sound of the american newington, butof my wife and i have been property over 25nd taxpayers for years. that being said i want to focus on where we're going. is fromsenator shaheen missouri, she came here later in life. we both care about new hampshire. but the question is what are we going to do for new hampshire. by endorsing the president's failed policies we're not going in the right direction. one of yourhaheen, biggest supporters is hillary clinton, she's going to be here on sunday. she moved to new york and became a senator there. problem?a >> it's not a problem that

either hillary clinton moved to new york or that scott brown hampshire.w the voters will have a chance to determine whether his candidacy makes sense or not. he'suestion is not where from. the question is what he's for. sure have worked to make that our middle class families, our small bases have a fair shot here.cess supporting our small businesses with the small business jobs act, i was at dine in manchester yesterday, where because what was in that act they now employees.00 my oh point en voted against that. i want to attract visitors from outside this country, it good have overmpshire, we 70,000 jobs in the tourism industry. my opponent voted against that. instead he voted to support subsidies to the big oil ampanies, he supported 19 billion-dollar give away to the big banks. he supported companies that want

jobs.source our the issue is who is going to fight for new hampshire and put new hampshire first. >> senator brown, take 30 second much >> i'm glad she's talking about these bills because both senator and senator gray voted against them. from the zero rating nationalled inners of independent businesses and an f rating from the chamber of commerce. talking about jobs and job protection, it doesn't add up when you're voting 100% of the type against small business. the biggest challenge right now laters and other recreational areas is obamacare, and as a result our ski lifts had to close early last year and they are deeply concerned about the businessman date coming in election which is going to lead to higher rates. we'lllth care is an issue get to later on. anothert to ask about issue and that is the scare over ebola. week that those

coming back should self quarantine and that the state has the authority to enforce it. standoffwe're seeing a between the governor and the nurse who says she doesn't want to abide by the quarantine. he says that he will exercise the full extent of his authority to enforce the quarantine, presumably that means going to court. do you think that's a good move? >> well, people are understandably concerned about the threat of ebola, this is a seen somee, wee missteps by the c. d. c. from the dallas hospital. people who asking have been to west africa who have been in contact with ebola voluntaryo do a inhome quarantine makes sense. in fact the governors do to enforcethority this kind of quarantine to ensure the safety of their residents, and i think that's do.rtant to hopefully they can work this out arrest they don have to anybody or put anybody in jail, because this seems like they

should be able to get to a solution. but again, just like the issues around the border with the issues around isis, the issues with ebola, my using thend has been concern that people have and thaty fear mongering concern for his own political purposes. a leader should be serious, should alert people to what's going on with issues, but not and grand stand on them. >> let me just pin you down to something. believe that you governors should have the authority tone force it? >> no, i said i belief they do have the authority. voluntary not a quarantine. >> hopefully people will be able voluntarily do it. but if they don -- i was a governor, i worked after with the threat of bioterrorism. i think we have to understand that governors need to protect the health and safety of their

residents, and so this is case where they should have the authority to do that. >> senator brown, how do you to the points that kaci hickox and others have may that quarantine for someone who is asymptom attic doesn't science. >> let me tell you my position on this important issue. i want to start by saying thank goodness we have troops and people who actually want to go to those infected areas, they're heros. chuck hagel hassled our soldiers going to come back are be quarantined, yet the president says it needs to be manytary there. are so inconsistencies and confusion with the c. d. c. remember, the c. d. c. was saying we need some good ideas. they said a nurse who was infected could actually fly when thecalled the c. d. c. so problem is we don have a clear policy. mandatory have a travel pan, it's noncommon

sense. quarantine,ndatory because we saw in new york, 300 miles away somebody was going out to a restaurant, bowling and on the subway when he was infected. i would argue that the government has the awillity to believethat law, and i the woman in maine is, we need to put public safety ahead of personal inconvenience, and that's basic common sense. >> well, as i said, i think the thatnor does have authority. but if my opponent were so anderned about the c. d. c. about this issue, then it's disappointing to see that when senate he voted for a republican budget that slashed funding for both the c. and national institutes of health. these are serious issues, we need people to come together solutions to address them. >> what's the answer? >> this isn't a money issue, sense issue.mon you don't need more money to tell people what they need to do. towant the president succeed, but we also want clear

and concise information as to what we're going to do, what is expected of us and how we can help. it's not about money, senator, clarity.t having and initially you were opposedded to a travel ban, then were in favor of a travel ban, now you want to rely on the on this you're waffling issue. we need to get this disease in its infancy. had one person die, three others infected much if we act now together, together we can stop this and that's what i'm proposing. >> well, we don't address a disease like ebola with common sense, we address it with the support of medical experts. i've advocated. to --aid i'm oam open to travel restrictions as long as they're workable. fact is if we're going to address diseases like this, we we do need research, to support the c. d. c. and. in i.h. in what they're doing. are those who argue that if we had supported that funding

we would be much further along a disease like ebola by now. so it's disappointing that my this issue,ks about but he doesn't want to do the hard work to address it. very much. next issue is going to be that's iny important to people here new hampshire, that is on energy. that is coming from dan of the leader. >> thank you. senator brown, natural gas up, there's a supply cries is in new hampshire that electricity prices are soaring. as we head into winter, what can federal level right now to bring relief to new hampshire? a trueould have approach, wind, thermal, sighting, permitting, making that citizens are at the table in these decisions. havet to make sure that we more supply. senator shaheen has already voted to pave the way for new tax.nal energy she'll tell you i'm not in favor

do you vote tot create a fun and then you're not in favor of it. washington double speak. she's also voted to tax our energy producers in the middle is season, she voted to increase taxes on our energy producers. have theas, we don't delivery or storage capacity. she's against nuclear. she's against gas and oil involuntary vagues, he's also coal.t how do you expect our citizens pay thelly afford to bills. in addition, electricity prices go up 50 to 100%. northampton already has for jobs to survive, they're next moment. does she get a fifth job? pushed byies being senator shaheen that are making it more difficult for our bills.s to pay their >> senator shaheen? >> the fact is energy is very

important to our businesses, that's why c i'll work hard as governor to lower energy prices in new hampshire and why i'm supporting energy efficiency legislation in washington that would address the cheapest, fastest way to deal with our energy needs which is under efficiency. is just wrong, i don't support a national energy tax. indicatedckers have that that's a false accusation. and i do support nuke lower power, i voted for legislation i was on the energy complete in the senate to nuclear power. plus if you believe in climate change and believe you have to you gottaat, then have nuclear power as part of that energy mix. younge concern about the woman that my opponent talks about has to do with the kinds areolicies that we supporting and what my opponent supported when he was in washington. corporateed the special interests. we need to support our middle class families, we need the the minimum wage, women need to get equal pay for equal

work. opponent opposes both of those. >> thank you. like raised two issues i'd to take a shot at. senator ayotte, i and many billrats voted against a that would tax our energy producers in the middle of the tourists season, in the middle rerecession. talking about equal pay, when i women 1.21 a paid for every there are dollar that paymay much senator shaheen 95 cents forkerry dollar that men may. shaheenquarter senator pays 77 cents for every dollar that a man makes. pay $1.14. i actually live it, i actually women more, senator, than you do in my office much because full of women as well, i want them to make sure, especially the girls, way them to help support gale and me at some point.

citing a rightis wing study that's already again proven to be wrong much but the is, regardless of what he cites, he had two opportunities when he was in washington to vote for equal pay for equal work for women, both times he voted no. deserve equal pay, it something i've been working decade. >> senator shaheen, beboth heard both pro-choice. but earlier this month you brought this issue of abortion into the campaign. when you started running ads. so why did you do that? theirrust women to make own decisions about their reproductive health care all of time, not just part of the time. and that's the difference between me and my opponent, because he supported the blend employers toowing determine if their employees should get access to birth control, for any moral rain. he supported the supreme court decision in hobby lobby, which

would also deny women action says to birth control. their employers can make that decision. ran for the senate in massachusetts in both 2010 endorsed by was antichoice groups who said he voted with them 80% of the time. when he ran for office he opposed the freedom of choice row which would cod file v.wade. i believe women in new hampshire need a senator they can count on washington. that's what i've supported. and that's what i will continue support. >> are there differences on this issue? whatrst i'd like to state my position is on this, because shaheen has been distorting my record on this pro-choice.oth we both believe that women should have access to health care and we both believe that should have access to contraception. we do have some differences. nay conscience

exemption, people of fate should practice their faith. i believe we should have more adoptions, i think it's a who we are asf people. also i believe that parents should play a role in that very decision. because there are great people on both side of that very important issue, and as i travel around our state, while women are deeply concerned about that, about howso concerned they're going to pay their high electric bills and the high cost of obamacare as result of senator shaheen's vote with the businessman day coming in how are they going to keep their businesses up when senator shaheen has voted 100% against interests. they're not single issue candidates. women to makeust their own decisions all of the of the time.t part scott brown will tell you he's pro-choice, but you knee to look record and when you look at his report you see that he voted for the blunt amendment, he wants employers to determine if their employees can

get access to birth control, he opposed the freedom of choice act which would cod file v.wade. we need someone in washington all the support will time. round the lightning portion. senator shaheen, you see the washington redskins should change their nick paper. what about belmont, red raiders, they changeould their names? >> this has started a really good debate among our high schools about whether they should continue to have those names for their teams. and i think that's important. my the important thing about opposition to the redskins, and i think we see this with nfl, the national football league has an opportunity here statement about what's important, to say that we're not going to accept those slurs, just like they did in terms of ray rice and dealing with domestic violence, and have not been willing

to take on that opportunity. brown. >> does not the federal government have more to do than a oh fetionnames to al sports team where billionaires are in charge? obamacare ands on the businessman date that's coming in after the election, i on our national security, i want to focus on the border. is the lightning round and you answered the redskins question. let me ask you another one, do you believe that we are too politically correct as a society? >> i believe that there are good people in our country and in our state who can have a sense of humor once in a while, i think important, we've lost that ability to laugh at ourselves and with each other, so that's my feeling. shaheen, are we too politically correct? >> i think it's important for us to acknowledge people's differences. and that's part of trying not to racial slurs, trying to accept people for who they are,

we that's what i think should be supporting. >> one more quick one, you both hampshire, i think it's important you weigh in on it. do you think new hampshire expand game and will have a casino? >> when i was governor i at our fourming tracks. we at that time had race tracks that would have provided revenue in a way i thought would have been helpful, and supporting education and other a the states who. >> it's a local issue, obviously, that is deeply affectedg to the cities and towns. i've supported it in the past and i would, if there's a federal element i'm happy to be involved, but i think it should local level. the >> it time now for the candidate to candidate questions. they get to second to ask the minuten, and there's a to respond. >> thank you. senator shaheen, for the last withears you've voted president obama 99% of the time.

is the president right 99% of time? >> well, as i've said nobody is i'mt 99% of the time and glad you canned me that question. because the football is you quote a survey, there are lots of surveys out there, if you want to know what's in that survey, go check my website. work for new hampshire, i get up every day putting new hampshire first. bills innt to see the that survey, up with of them is the defense bill. i'm on the armed services committee, i worked for that defense bill because it mass provisionings in it to help our shipyard, to men pease, our national guard. i didn't support that because it.president supported i supported it because it was good for new hampshire. another bill in that list is the act. pay well, i believe women should get equal pay for equal work, that's it the twiceor that it came up. when scott brown was in the he opposed it. he talked about the chamber of commerce. survey that the ffib

came up with, one of the things on there is raising the minimum wage, he >> now your opportunity to ask a question of your opponent. >> the five biggest oil companies last year made over $90 billion yet you voted twice in the senate to support over $20 billion in subsidies to the oil companies. now, why shouldn't a waitress or a cash shir have to pay through their taxes to subsidize the five biggest oil companies? how would you respond to a ca sheer who asked you that question? >> when we're talking about our

energy producers you voted to tax those same energy producers. in addition to that, you have not all of the above approach when it comes to energy. i want to make sure that whatever happens it's not going to be passed through to individual motorists. if you remember that bill was done in the middle of the tourist season, in the middle of recession when gas was about $4.50 ana gallon. to single out our energy producers in the middle of the recession in the middle of the tourist season and not allow us to become energy independent to step back from our dependence of foreign oil i think was a mistake. >> let's go back to george. >> we begin by health care and we will. senator brown you brought up the affordable care act. right now your opposition to it well known. what do you say to the 40,000 new hampshire residents who signed up for coverage the

10,000 additional who have gotten coverage? can you guarantee that those 50,000 new hampshire citizens won't have any sbrummings in their coverage if you get your way? >> let's talk about the sbrugs of the 22,000 people whose insurance was canceled. we had a situation where senator shaheen said if you like your plan you like your hospital you can keep it. you may even get a check. we find out that's not true. after the elegs there's a potential of 70,000 other people to lose their insurance as a result of the business mandate coming in after the election. we should have the ability to develop a plan that works for our states. we can address the coverage for those people like you referred to making sure that they don't fall through the system. to think that obamacare is the only answer it's not. rates have gone up. deductibles have gone sky high. employees are paying more,

employers are paying more. we need to do it better. and i think that dr i remember when the president actually apologized for misrepresenting the entire obamacare especially not only the rollout but the fact you couldn't keep your doctors and hospitals. senator shaheen has never addressed it and or apologized to the citizens of new hampshire? >> can you guarantee? >> if we all work together i believe we can hand that will situation. the governor, legislature, majority leaders here we can work together and develop a plan to work for new hampshire. to think that obamacare is the only answer is a false premise. we can develop a plan that respects our rights and freedoms that addresses the issues that people care about. what are the thing that is are important to you? i referenced two of them. so let's make sure we role up our sleeves and get it done. >> i know you want to answer that. but the latest poll still shows a majority of new hampshire citizens oppose the affordable care act. when you've been asked what

kind of fixes you might make you say you have an advisory commission. >> i also said we should repeal the medical device tax. but the issue here is i believe everybody in new hampshire should have access to quality affordable health care. we passed legislation that now gives almost 100,000 residents in new hampshire access to health care. the legislature passed a bipartisan bill to expand health care to 50,000 people who now have medicaid. i talked to a realtor in london there a man named steve white who said he couldn't get insurance because he had a preexisting condition. finally his daughter talked him into signing up. not three months later he had to have a quadruple bypass. what my opponent wants to do is to kick off those tens of thousands of people from their health care and he doesn't have a plan to replace it. and rates are actually stabilized for the first time.

anthem sent out a notice saying rates are going up -- they're actually stable. we have new carriers coming in. we need to fix what's not working about the law but repealing it kicking tens of thousands of people off their health care with no plan to replace it and years of indecision about what to do that's not an answer. >> she is like nancy pelosi we have to pass it before we know what's in it. she didn't read the bill had she known she would have known the device tax was in it. now she wants to fix it. what are you going to do with the billions or hundreds of millions of dollars that hole is going to create as a result of repealing it? there's no answer. the fix. she wants to have a commission another commission in washington to study a website hat already cost $2.4 billion. she had a chance by the way to fix it. i was there. she voted against every single

effort to keep your doctor, your hospital, to opt out every single time she voted against it. and to come now and be disingenuous with this is just wrong. we can develop a plan that works for new hampshire that respects our rights and freedoms that allows us to have competition. remember, when the senator was governor she changed the laws in new hampshire that actually went from 26 insurance companies down to one. but guess what. after the election we're going to have more? i don't believe it. >> well, my opponent is just wrong in terms of the cost of this law. e've already saved over $100 million -- billion because of passing the affordable care act. and what we've heard from drnch bo if we repeal it it's going to cost over $1 trillion. the fact is it's working for those thousands of people who had preexisting conditions, who now can get health insurance for people who no longer have to worry about annual or lifetime limits for 26-year-olds who can stay on

their parents insurance, for people on medicare who are getting help with prescription drugs and with preventive care it's working. we need to fix what's not working about it. the medical device tax as i said is one thing that i think we should repeal. what i suggested is that we need an pinned nt overseer over the website to make sure that it's properly because that's been an real issue. but the answer is not to throw tens of thousands of people off their health care. that's not an answer to kick us back into a place where we're facing years before we've got any answer to how we're going to make sure that people get access to health care. >> let's go back to our panel now. >> let's got to the western

part of the state. senator brown what do you see going right in the county and what's going wrong? and please be specific. >> you're absolutely right. geography plays a role. infrastructure and other opportunities up north are difficult. one of the biggest opportunities is tourism. one of the biggest opportunities is our ski areas and trails for snowballs. i support those efforts. i know senator shaheen references a tourist bill. the biggest wet blanket is obamacare. it's also those notices people are getting 50 to 100% increases on their elect rick rates. you have a situation where getting from point a to point b, inspiring businesses to stay there is problematic because what a are they looking at? highest corporate tax rates. >> we're talking about sullivan county and i think you're talking about the north county. what do you see as going well? >> talking about any place past

concord actually and the challenges of our state. so i'm referring to the challenges including the high corporate tax rate, obamacare coming in after the election. we also have the challenges of high electric costs. if you go to any business in any county in our state those are the very real -- >> it's west of concord not north. what do you see as going well there? >> i've answer it had question. the challenges are the same in every county in the state. >> senator shaheen of course you've been the county's governor and senator for 12 years. so what problems remain there? why are they unresolved? >> when i was governor we helped lower rates because that was one of the big issues they were still facing. now, fortunately they're able to be more competitive. we've worked with them on what are called new market tax credits so they could attract a number of new industries into clairemont. one of the things i worked on was the department of labor grant to get help with our

community technical colleges so river valley community college is now working with advanced manufacturers to help them match the jobs that they're creating with people who need job skills. but again, this is one of the differences between my opponent and me. because i believe we've got to support our small businesses that's where two thirds of jobs are being created. when he was in washington he supporteded the big guys the corporate special interests subsidies for the oil companies. he said we couldn't afford the small business jobs act but he supported over $20 billion in subsidies for the oil companies. >> let's go to dan for the next question. >> senator shaheen, the school shooting in new toup recalled the calls for gun controls. short of revisiting the second amendment what sort of proposal would you support that would possibly have stopped that tragedy sf? >> well, i'm really glad to hear this question it was a terrible tragedy and we need to address the challenges that towns are facing because of gun

violence. i'm a supporter of the second amendment. it's been important to the state's hunting and sports tradition. but i think we've got to keep guns out of the hands of convicted felons, out of people who are mentally ill. now, my opponent when he was in massachusetts said he supported an assault weapons ban then he touted his support from gun apt gun advocate mayor bloomberg. now she doesn't support a ban. so i'm interested in hearing what he has to say about this because i think there are responsible measures that we can agree to if we work together. that's what i supported in the senate. >> senator brown, you've said you wouldn't propose any new legislation if you returned to washington. but could you support any new gun legislation whatsoever? like for example expanding criminal background checks for shun shows and sales, proposal that republicans including john

mccain have supported in the past? >> i'm glad the senator has talked about my second amendment position as a gun owner i take it very seriously. i signed on the dotted line at 19 years old to make sure that we had the ability to carry and bear arms. senator shaheen has an f rating on that issue. she also signed on to a letter outsourcing our second amendment rights. i'm not going to propose any legislation. i said to all the gun owners in our state that whatever proposal comes up i will be sure to hold a town meeting make sure that we can get their input and guidance and then move forward from there. >> but would you support -- a background check for new gun sales? >> any proposal that comes up first i want to read the bill, i want to understand the bill because i read everything, i understand them. i see how they affect and i vote. unlike senator shaheen who actually voted for obamacare without reading it, i make sure that we do that. my door is always open on these

issues. i'm going to make sure we hold a town hall to -- i do agree however on the mental health issues and the felons not having the ability to get their hands on weapons. and when in fact they're clear and their meble disability is addressed then they have the ability to get off that list to have access. >> well he talks about u.n. legislation. that's a bogus issue. that won't affect gun rights. people in new hampshire know me. i didn't try to take their guns away. but he also talks about how he reads every piece of legislation. apparently he didn't read the bill that would have closed the loopholes that reward companies for outsourcing because when we debated the last time he said he had never voted for that bill. well in fact he voted for it with senate bill 3816, he voted for it on september 28, 2010. >> i want to get to a topic that we touched on a little bit under the umbrella of energy.

senator brown you've said that climate change is the result of both natural and man-made forces. so let's accept that idea for the moment. we can't do much about the natural rise but what should we do to stem the tide of the man-made damages being done? >> we need to have an all the above approach to energy. making sure that everybody is at the table with any of those decisions that are so critically important. but the key is how do we strike that balance? how do we have the ability to enjoy our environment, enjoy the natural beauty of our state but also have the ability to create jobs and become energy independent? we have a very real difference on that issue. she's against nuclear, she's againste coal, she's against oil innovation. i have support it had production tax credit believe in innovation, allowing our wind and solar folks to have the opportunity to sow if it works. efficiency is obviously very important. that's why we recycle we shut off our lights and i encourage

everybody else to do it. but to think that we're not going to have the ability to become energy independent that's where we differ greatly. >> please respond to that and also include whether you think a carbon tax is part of the solution. i haven't supported a carbon tax and i don't support it but i do think the impact of climate change is very real. we see it now in our habitat where moose is down 40% in new hampshire. we're seeing in our ski season being shorter. and i think we've got to address it in ways that will help us in new england. so i support energy efficiency. i have legislation with rob portman republican from ohio to address energy efficiency that would help create 200,000 jobs save consumers over $16 billion and be the equivalent of taking 22 million cars off the road. when we tried to pass it my opponent lobbied to try and kill it. not only that but he continues to support those subsidies to the oil companies. i thing we should take some of that money and we should invest

it in new energy technologies and efficiency. in companies like flex energy they're making gas turbines that are helping to clean our oil industry. we should be supporting that not continuing to support the subsidies to the oil company. >> they can 30 seconds. >> energy efficiency is obviously important. when you're dealing with a bill you have to include the keystone pipeline. i'm in favor of it. good union nonunion jobs. senator shaheen is opposed to it. she's indicating that she is not proposing a carbon tax yet she voted to pay by creating a fund that would spend the money from the tax. only in washington is that not true as to how they're trying to spend your money before they even get it. >> did you want a moment there to respond? you are shaking your head. >> no. you know as i have said i've never supported a national energy tax. independent facts checkers say that accusation is just false. but what i do support is energy

efficiency. i support taking some of those subsidies that my opponent keeps wanting to give to the oil companies and investing in energy efficiency and new energy technologies because that's what gives us choices here. >> we have about a minute to go. i don't know if you know this but charlie brown's great pumpkin is going to be on right after this i think. so senator shaheen which character in peanuts do you most closely identify with? >> lucy of course. >> fair enough. senator brown? >> charlie brown. >> who is the football? so we are going to move forward now the final portion of our debate. we're going to have a closing question as we mentioned. it's not something that's issue-based. we did draw for this order earlier today. that closing question is going to come from george. > i'm a line yuss guy.

>> i've heard pig pen on my end. >> i've heard it's not using too strong word to say most americans are disgusted with washington. two thirds of the country believe we're going in the wrong direction. you've served in the senate before you want to go back again. so i wonder if you can reflect on what personal responsibility you take for creating that toxic environment and what will you do if you get reelected, elected to the senate that you didn't do the last time? >> i did it last time and do it again to be that independent senator i was 50/50 voting for both sides. we were able to get the hire a hero veterans bill by working together. that's a very real dirns. for this last six years with no pushback from our senior senator washington has been chipping away to our rights and freedoms telling us what to do how to do it and just sit down and be quiet if you don't like

it. well, i'm not going to stand for it and neither should you. we have an opportunity right no tow be that check and balance and push back against the overbearing government and what they're doing to our citizens chipping away as i said with our rights and freedoms. the only way we can change direction is to change senators. senator shaheen is a nice person. i respect her greatly. but since going to washington she has lost her independence. she is voting with the president 99% of the time and george you asked what i will do i will be that independent senator. i will bring back that independent spirit fighting for our new hampshire advantage. that's what's missing in washington. they don't talk they don't like each other and i want to be there to make sure that i can bridge that gap as i did before. >> anything you would do difertly? >> i think we need to change the rules of the senate. i don't think we should allow one person to hold things up in the senate. and that's what my opponent did when he was in washington. he voted for 44 phil busters more than we had in this country in the whole 0 years --

50 years. i sponsored twice as many bipartisan bills as he has in the senate and i believe we've got to work across the aisle but most important i believe we need a senator from new hampshire whose going to work for new hampshire who is going to put new hampshire first who understands that we need to give our small businesses and our middle class families a fair shot at success. that's what i've done in the last six years and that's what i will continue to do supporting things like the small business jobs act which are helping our small businesses. i talked about dying well the funding that was in that bill has now helped over 300 businesses create or retain 3,000 jobs. we've seen million people cot united states and spend $4 billion because of the travel promotion act that helped us attract visitors from outside the state. we need somebody who is going to work for new hampshire every single day putting this state first. that's what i will do. my opponent supported corporate special interests.

>> believe it or not that is going to conclude tonight's debate. thanks to the candidates. reminder for election information any time you can find it at wmur.com and look for the politics page. on monday you can catch up on all the races during our commitment 2014 countdown to the election show. this sunday by the way i will have a complete debate recap on closeup also on sunday you can watch this week with george which i'm sure might touch on a little bit of politics. >> we'll have special election coverage. >> thanks very much. that's going to do it for now.

>> this morning on c-span plitcol hosts a discussion on next week's mid term elections. after that events from the washington ideas forum. then remarks by secretary of state john kerry and later dr.

and ni fauci head of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases.

>> the cities tour takes book tv and american history tv on the road traveling to u.s. cities. this weekend we partnered with comcast for a visit to col springs colorado. >> in 1806 montgomery pike was sent into the american southwest to explore the region. very similar to lewis and clark who were sent to the northwestern part of the newly acquired louisiana territory. pike was sent to the southwest part of the territory and from his perspective when he came out here he really walked off the map. he went to an area that was unknown. when pike first sees the peak he thinks he will reach the top of it in just a few days but it

really takes weeks to approach. they reached what we believe is a lower mountain on the flanks called mountain rosa. so they turned around and at that point pike wrote in his journals that given the conditions, given the equipment that they had at the time, no one could have summitted the peak. pike's peak inspired the poem that became america the beautiful written by katherine lee bates who came here to colorado springs to teach a summer course at colorado college in 1893. and the view down to the plains from the top of the mountain inspired the poetry and inspired the images that are captured in that poetry of the united states. >> watch all of our events from colorado springs saturday at noon eastern on c-span 2's book tv and sunday afternoon at 2 on american history.

on c-span-3. >> next the executive directors of the democratic senatorial can he. they talk about tuesday's mid term elections and the president's role this campaign cycle. this is just over an hour. >> ladies and gentlemen, mike allen. >> thank you very much. welcome to all of you in live streem land as well. today we're hosting the executive director of the

national senatorial can he and his counterpart from the democratic. this is only the second time they've appeared together and the first time in public so e're excited to hear their look-ahead to coming up election day. we're going to take your questions. and we'll also be taking them by twitter. so just hash tag them play book lunch and watch your questions. we would like to thank the bank of america for supporting these events. the series is about the issues and policies that matter most in washington. we've had a lot of fun on the road throughout this mid term election cycle so thanks to bank of america for making this continued conversation and this partnership possible. so now we would love to welcome guy cecil and rob collins. [applause]

>> in today's political magazine, bet on a g.o.p. senate majority. how sure are you that larry is right? >> we feel pretty good. we're working hard. our campaigns are working hard. at the end of the day candidates matter. as mitch mcconnell said this is the best recruiting class in 30 years. our job as a commitee we're not on the ballot and we don't get elected we don't get one vote. our job is to put campaigns in the position to win by

recruiting, by training, by investing, giving them all the best tactics and strategies and technologies and everything else to win. depending on how you do the math we have between eight and ten campaign's on a raiser's edge. where we started in february of 2013 the dems are going to take the house and the dems were in a place to have a super majority to where we are now. we are really pleased with our progress. so i think if you look at all the prognosticators say statsically odds are that the republicans are take the senate and we feel great where we are. > guy, if larry and nate are wrong, and it can happen, why will that be? >> first, i missed the headlines that were predicting our super majority last year. the fact of the matter is that despite the historical trends that have taken place in the

last 100 years in mid term elections where the president's party has lost seats in all but one and despite the fact that there are nine states currently within the margin of errors in states where the president lost, eight of those by double digits half of those by over 20 points. despite all of that, eight to ten races are actually on a razor's edge within the margin of error. so from our perspective, the question that is going to be put to voters is not how do you feel about the president or what do you think about what's happening in washington. it's going to be about the two people who are actually on the ballot. it's going to be whether or not michelle none or david perdue best vits the voters. >> given the environment that you have why are there eight to ten races on a raiser's edge? why didn't you put a way a bunch of these races? >> we're going against incumbents. and where we're not, they're purple and blue states. incumbents are really hard to beat.

three in the last ten years i believe have been beat. but look this race has always been very analogous to the 86 race where you saw a big republican class come in with reagan. then in 86 you saw the same class have more money a better turnout machine and beat the heck out of a bunch of democrats. and in arkansas, georgia, north carolina, south dakota tom zarble, nevada hearry reid they won with 50.9 the entire time. and that's how we frame it up. look at how we kind of conducted ourselves and we always plan for big push right at the end to try and push these races over. so incumbents are tough to beat. the good news about our incumbents is that they're all coming back. they all look good. and we got them through the primaries so we're able to pivot towards picking up open seatsdz that we didn't control and taking out incumbents that were well-funded, had huge name

idea advantages and a ground game that had been put to work before. so we had to build it as we went with a lot of first-time candidates who have done remarkably well. >> the audience both in person and live stream have been following these races closely. what are the three closest senate races in the country? >> well, i think georgia would certainly be at the top of the list and that's changed a lot over the course of the last five or six weeks. they wouldn't have been on the list if you had asked about a month ago. colorado i think is certainly a close race. and iowa. those will be the three that i think are the closest. >> you have a slightly different list? i put north carolina, new hampshire. 96% of voters are going to vote on election day in new hampshire. we have the momentum all the movement in the polling has been towards scott brown. the same with north carolina. >> by the way, scott brown's movement has to have surprised just about everybody including him. >> no. we always said -- not to be

argumentative. but we always said after the primary, which is was the september 9 primary, that the republican base is going to go to the republicans and that race is going to tighten up. i think he's run the race that he predicteded which was it was going to be a short race, a hard race. and his -- what he said to me when we were talking about running was i just want to be on the ground shaking hands and he has done an unbelievable job of it. >> how do you explain jot brown's durability and closeness in that race? he's not even from there. >> i think the most important number is 50 which is the number that jean hah sheen has never been below in the courgs of our polling up until this morning's track which has her at 52%. and so the reality is that new hampshire is a notoriously if i cannle state. both house members have flipped back and forth over the last two or three sickles. we prepare for and expect close races everywhere which is why over the last eight cycles we have won most of the close

races everywhere. and it doesn't surprise us that scott brown would be a 467 or 47%. the problem is it's a two-way race and 7% doesn't do it. >> so guy, nate's 538 says that republicans have a 64.0 -- i love the point zero part. chance of winning the majority. the upshot in the "new york times" gives republicans a moderate edge, 689%, the "washington post" is hedging their bets republicans have a 93% chance. to control the senate. on the way over here in the cab i got an email from your press shop and the subject line guy is cautiously optimistic about the election. why? >> well, i would offer four other prediction that is nate made over the last two election cycles. -- >> are you going to go negative on nate? >> no. i'm going to go factual. there was a 7% chance that

heidi hite camp was going to win. there is a 17 chance that john tester was going to win. there was less than a 30% chance that michael bennett was going to win. they won. and it's not to say that nate is going to be wrong in every race but the reality is we are on a razor's edge in terms of who is going to hold the majority. you don't have to be wrong in ten races in order to make a difference in terms of who controls the majority you have to be wrong in one or two races. from our internal polls what we know is that in the top ten races we are within the margin of error. >> this is a question either may buzz in and answer question. today's column by josh against the grain is the headline. president obama is costing democrats control of the senate. true? >> false. look, i had -- >> i had to let him go first on that one. i'm glad to jump ball on that one. look, i appreciate josh's perspective.

josh also predicted terry lynn lane was going to be in a margin of error race. so i just think that all of these progress nostications are better off when the election is over. but one other thing about the president. this is not about barack obama personally. ronald reagan lost seats, george w. bush lost seats. every president in their second mid term has had the challenges that this president has. we are not going to nationalize this election. that's why in north carolina the number two issue among all voters is education. why? because we have made it about education. and so i do think that a bit of the hibeably around the president is overplayed. >> has president obama done enough to help senate democrats? >> he has done everything we've asked. >> which is nothing. >> he's traveled around the country, raised over $25 million he has made available his entire data operation which

is the best in the country. he has made available every volunteer. so just to look at things through the prism of whether or not the president happened to stop at a restaurant in a media market as the only measurement by which he is judged is a simplistic way of measuring. >> and we're joking because what are you going to say? >> the truth. >> be serious for a second, like there's a pretty bearish outlook understanding that it's not about the president but to what degree is that part of the because of the the president? the headline you face are real. >> look, it is indicative of a map that is difficult for democrats regardless of who the president is. and i think that's the really important part here. that we are dealing with states like arkansas, alaska, north carolina, louisiana, many of which the senate candidate is the only democrat elected statewide. or is the only democrat elected to congress. and so i think from our perspective it is less about

identifying and isolating the president as the number one issue and recognizing what the facts are. that irrespective of who the president is we're dealing with a set of states that are more republican than they are democrat. and that's the challenge we have to overcome. >> just to set our baselines here because a lot of people both here and in the audience who are going to be writing stories doing commentary on election night. rob, how helpful has the president been to your candidates? >> well, i think -- the challenge that the democrats have had is they have a president at 42% approval. >> let's talk about your candidates. how has the president or his environment helped you? >> and that's what i'm going to get to in one second. so the challenge you have is a president who your baseline is an unpopular president. the presidents lose seats. but then you look at the past summer we've had. obamacare rollout, you see the

ballot flip. republicans move in that direction. and then a summer of the border crisis. ukraine, syria, isis. and then you see the ebola where it's not me speaking if you look at the polling the president has not gotten high marks on foreign policy. he has the worst job approval overall. and when the president gets cold nationally he has -- his points val is 4, 5, 6 worse. how has it helped us? talk to people saying there's an opportunity to serve and win. and there's ab opportunity to talk to the american people and say that there's an alternative. there's a different direction here. if you believe mid terms are about the president how we're doing right now and the presidenttials are about the future then this mid term where we are right now the american people have lost confidence in the economy in the last month by 6 points. they feel we're on the wrong track. they feel that this president

has not led in the right way and it has nothing to do with his personal approval but everything to do with his job approval. that's how it's helped them. >> how much of a difference has ebola made? >> the one thing i want to correct is the majority of the americans think the president has handles the crisis on ebola well and every poll has suggested that. >> also suggested that he's contributed to an extreme unease. >> but i think you're isolating all of these individual issues. if we go back to the v.a. or we go back to ukraine, there are a dozen commentators saying this is the issue that's going to matter most in this election or have an impact. i think the context in which to look at this is that in north carolina we're going to spend between the two parties over $100 million in alaska one congressional district 55 million. so the ability to break through when every other commercial is a paid advertisement for the campaign i think is a little

bit overstated. that's why again you go back to north carolina or let's talk about georgia where david perdue's unfavorable rating has risen by 15 points over the course of the last 7 weeks the same 7 weeks we're talking about ebola. why is that? because in georgia it's a contest between the two people that are on the ballot and not just a referendum on an individual crisis or challenge. i think again it goes back to are we nationalizing the election or is it a choice between the two people? it's clear that the republicans want to nationalize it and it's clear the democrats want to make it about the candidates. over the course of the next days, we will answer when the election is finally finished. >> i would counter that by saying february, 2013, in a room bigger than this i talked to a group of supporters saying we're going to localize these issues. >> you haven't.

>> absolutely we have. absolutely. >> oh, come on. >> tom talked about education tom cotton talking about social security and veterans. dan sullivan talking about replenishing the teacher fund. we have -- we are not going to make the mistake in 2010 and 2012 are candidates -- where candidates were being attacked for their local fire department and the response was obamacare. we have invested a lot of money not only in positive ads, and is has shown numerically, but also talking about local ssues. we have framed it through the prism of a group of incumbents voting with the president. an unpopular president over 90% of the time. but we have talked about local issues. that narrative is not accurate.

>> you all work together. which state is the biggest surprise? >> georgia. at the point we met last time, we were down seven or eight points. today, we are up three points, 47%. we have eight or 9% undecided. >> why has the -- >> because we have done the opposite of what the president -- republicans have done. we have localize the election. when you look at the case he made and what voters are seeing, they are coming to terms with david purdue's record. the biggest issue is outsourcing. also, david purdue is probably the worst republican candidate the cycle. for a candidate to stand at a podium -- >> senator roberts? >> close call.

orst nonincumbent. >> there are plenty of bad democratic candidates, don't worry. >> is not often that a candidate says i was only sued by 2000 women for gender dissemination. by most measures, that would be een as a lot of women. so i think it is a combination of the fact that he has been in it i put -- and inadequate andidate in michelle nunn is the single best candidate we have this cycle as a challenger. >> who's the worst democratic candidate? >> that's a good question. so many. >> who has underperformed and been weaker than you expect? >> kay hagan.

i thought she has hid behind a big pile of money. missing a debate that was covered by the top three political journalists was a mistake. the denver post endorsing cory gardner. a clearly striking change from endorsing democrats. endorsements, you have to be careful not to overthink them. it is an indication of a campaign that is a little off. >> you know colorado better than anyone in this room. technically a purple state but many are thinking of it as a loose state. why has he done so well? >> because it is a purple state. republicans won almost every tatewide office. most of what happened under the hickenlooper and bennett wins was republican.

in a state like colorado or iowa, purple states would be competitive. that has been true in the case. the one thing i think, and this is a misperception, is that mark udall has spent all his time talking about choice and contraception. we had a dozen editorials written against us at we were making choice and contraception a big issue. there was no way republicans were ever going to roll back choice and reproductive ights. we have seen over the course of time that they have done exactly that. this idea that somehow talking about choice in contraception is a disqualifier, i'm trying

to think of a nice word i can say. it shows a misunderstanding, especially, of women in suburban colorado. who see it not just as a social ssue but economic issue. >> who all agree are the key to the election. >> absolutely. >> they are the key. the war in women -- it has not orked. they have a seven point advantage. not enough for me they have turned off a lot of folders -- not enough. they have turned off a lot of voters. they should have been talking about the economy. instead, they pivoted into the single issue and it has not worked and turned off eople. >> everyone in the room and the live stream is a pundit. some get paid for it.

everybody here has a conversation in their circle of influence. on election night, what is the state we can watch for how the night will go? >> north carolina is a -- if it is a go for us, it will be a great night. obama had many paths to get to the 280 -- we have a lot of paths to get the majority. some in runoff scenarios. new hampshire and other east coast -- states will post early. if we can keep it tight, and then looking to the west to alaska. we will not get returns until :00 or 2:00. that is what we are looking at. >> do agree that new hampshire and north carolina are bellwethers?

>> i would add georgia in their, iowa. alaska, the reality is in rural parts the state, in some cases the ballots will not be cast for four or five days. we are spending a lot of time preparing for a runoff and recounts. just to be prepared. those two states, georgia and iowa, probably florida, will probably give you a good impression of what is going to appen. >> if republicans take the majority, we will that when? >> i would predicted election night, meaning my election night, before i go to bed. i feel good about where we are. how the races are closing. the momentum and nthusiasm. how the independents are breaking. key constituencies. they rely on either through

early voting or just in polling, they are not where they need to be. i think election night, we could have not an early night ut a majority. >> the runoff in louisiana, virtually certain. >> i think it is most likely. > georgia? >> there is a path for us to get to 50. i am pretty coveted david perdue will not hit 50 on election night. >> you agree, likely runoffs in both? >> there are more scenarios. there are more polls that say we are up. >> actually one of the last seven. >> there have been five public polls that have perdue up. > we will check on that.

>> i guess i would say this. we had a dip in the polls during the outsourcing debate. it is what it is. it tightened up. we are seeing david perdue nudge back up. it is a republican state. early voting has not been where it needs to be for the democrats. there is a path for david to hit 50. we are prepared for both scenarios. >> how heavily do the national parties play in that? some but he told me, between the two sides, -- >> i think 35 million is a conservative estimate. when you think about 55 million in alaska, georgia is a large state. you have five media markets in louisiana. already, we are already at $10 million in television reservations in louisiana.

haven't even gotten to election day yet. >> while we are on that, you think each of them could be 50 million? >> between $35 million and $45 million. >> if the majority is on the line, sure. >> journalists will have a good time, spending their thanksgiving and christmas in atlanta and new orleans. >> on the issue of early voting, i was looking at the north carolina numbers. the fact of the matter is the margin between democrats and republicans at an early votes right now is almost 17%. a larger margin between democrats and republicans than any last president election. when you look at iowa, the largest number of individual voters are actually democratic gop voters who did not vote in 2010. republican votes are folks that id vote in 2010.

in a number of places, we have seen a change in the makeup of he early vote. >> we are going to come to onathan in a second. how will the undercount of hispanic voters in the polls play out? >> that has been one of the primary challenges in olorado. in 2010, there were five or six polls that showed ken buck was winning among hispanics. i think hispanics in colorado, native alaskans are also undercounted in alaska. it could play a large role in either election. >> in the new york times, polls are likely to undercount democrats.

do you worry about pulling data? any flashbacks to 2012? >> we have been really tough on our pollsters. the polling community has changed the mix and technology they are using. we are always questioning, but also after 2012, how can you not? you always question but also afterwe learned a lot of lessons. if anything, i feel good about where we are. we are seeing a preponderance of polls that favor our worldview. we are not fooling ourselves and saying, our polling is the right one and there's is

wrong. we are constantly checking and looking at the mix. and are we waiting or did we actually speak to them? are we extrapolating based on a few interviews? it is time-consuming and more expensive and posters do not like it, but that is the challenge we face in becoming a marter party after 2012. >> jonathan? >> wanted to ask about kansas. >> no separate of question? -- south dakota question? >> it was said it is an impossibility that he will caucus with republicans if he wins in kansas. my question is whether or not you agree with that and are they ruling out they would go

to him the day after the election and try to convince him to caucus with them? i know you don't have a candidate in kansas -- how do you assess the race? >> republican senators do not caucus with private itizens. all the movement has been towards roberts. we have ourselves up, where we need to be. the roberts campaign released an ad, and endorsement ad by the popular kc football coach. the party is high functioning in kansas. we have a great ground game. pat roberts is going to win. >> i asked you hypothetically.

i know we have engaged in hypotheticals. if he wins, are you saying republicans will not go to him and say, try to convince him? >> i am on the political side of the equation. i will leave that to the policy side. the leader ship will try to have as many voices at the table supporting republican policies. if that is part of the equation, it is part of the equation. those are decisions made in the great big white building in the middle the city come and not where i live. >> either of you may buzz in. excuse me, go ahead. >> i think the leader will try to get him to join the republicans. the fact of the matter is, we do not have a candidate.