it's an untold story that is really the front line of the pro-life movement. host: where are we in the number of a abortions per year? guest: it's gone down a little bit and it's probably 800,000 a year which is about 3,000 per day. so 3,000 per day means that there's something really gotten into the consciousness and the conscience of the nation. meaning we're so used to it as a tool for population control. and what's changing is the -- as i said, in people's mind, the view of what is happening in abortion, the hard part is that out of sight out of mind. it's not a child that's running up to you. it's a child who is about to be born. and so we have our challenge on our hands to talk about the humanity of that person. that's why that ad is so important and to be a fellow traveler.

that's what democrats have been in the past, the natural descenders of the -- defenders of the unborn. bob casey, the governor of pennsylvania many years ago was the best defender and articulate irof how we ought to be the first democrat of help the unborn. was not using as partisan battering ram. host: hobby blob by, where did you stand on that? guest: absolutely. we were for that bill. the problem that it has occurred in the political environment, i think that campaigns decided they were not going to be able to communicate this in a way that people can understand meaning we weren't talking about contraception. we were talking about abortion because they were not going to

fund it. that has become obscure in all he bhort and all that. instead, the candidates moved the over-the-counter contraception issue which we had no stand on. we had a stand on the other at least of the rights of conscience and religious liberty. host: here is joe. and joe is from virginia. republican line. hi. caller: hi. how are you doing? thank you for taking my call. host: you're on. go ahead. caller: thank you. this is not the first time in our history that we classified entire humans. and it's pretty sad. and it's been said that if you corrupt the people, you have to corrupt the language and that's what political correctness is doing. and people should study their history more too, find out about

margaret sanger, the first one who really wanted abortion in the actual scale. you should look that up. caller: guest: i agree. the untold story is these perspective that susan b. anthony, victoria woodhall, alice paul, all of them had about what abortion was in the life of a a woman. it was a reality, however. and they saw it as a tool of exploitation of men. something that would allow men to have -- perform a misdeed and be able to cover up the effects of that and it was a tool of exploitation then. she said if women are treated to property it's degrading to women when we dispose of our children as we see fit so no question about what they thought. it wasn't just sort of a genuflect to the times that they

were in. they knew it was something that was so counter to a woman's consciousness that she would never do it unless she was really in a point of being coerced by another person. and last thing i'll say is susan b. anthony is why we're named susan b. anthony is she commented on it that the deed would burden a woman's conscious in life and her soul in the grave but thrice guilty is the one who drove her to the deed. and that third person is in many ways, i believe, the abortion business, the abortion lobby. the organizations that are telling women to ignore what susan b. anthony was actually talking about. she was talking about that inner voice, and they are saying -- she said thrice guilty is the one who drove her to the deed. well, if we help women through this process, if we truly are

with them and really act in a way that we should, we will help them and their baby through the whole thing. and hopefully, avoid the situation happening in the beginning. host: the organization secrets told us as far as spendchures are concerned, you spend about $ 462,000. what's the spending you're ago at? guest: ours would be $3.5 million through the super pack. and that is shoe leather money. and what i mean is it's mostly not advertising. it's mostly those almost 900 campaign workers that are pro-lifers going door to door to people who are low propensity voters and they're very pro-life. so going to that door, talking to that person. there's noah substitute for that. and so -- there's no substitute for that. to unseat those incumbent that we talked about a little while

ago. host: what strategy do you apply? is it a survey? how is that done? >> it's very important. we want to know who we're talking to, of course. so we ask them who do you plan to vote for? what is your view on life-some and if they don't know the record of the incumbent, so we say this is what their position is on late-term abortion. would this affect your vote? that would you the early on like spring, summer. now, we're in the new communication, a new conversation in which says something very similar but then at the end, it's can we get your pledge to vote? and so we know that we've had that pledge too vote and we know that we can commune indicates again and make sure they did it before it's actually too late. host: how many on the ground workers do you have? guest: we have just under 900 right now and that's in kansas, arkansas, louisiana, north carolina. and they will be there through election day and possibly

through a runoff in louisiana so if that happens, we already have the infrastructure there. but we will just add to it from the other states where we hope who have already won. host: hires keith from dallas, texas. independent line. caller: thank you. longtime caller, first-time listener. i have a comment or two and then i have a question for the lady. from what i understand, the law of the land is roe vs. wade and that abortion's legal. my concern would be that in a conservative party, there was a time when you had a house, the senate and the supreme court when they could have overturned it. but they didn't. to me, this is no more than just -- they do feel as though an abortion is not a good thing, especially when you see the son grams and what have you. there is life there. and as a christian, i do not believe in it as well. but i don't believe that you can legislate it. that's the problem lies with me.

my question would be for the lady is that would it be first-degree murder or second-degree murder and would you be willing to -- let me go back to the days of black market and underground markets having abortions. guest: no. it would be none. the legislation that we have that's being passed in 13 states already, passed the house and expected to pass the senate has only -- there are no criminal penalties except for the abortionists themselves who know what the law is and knows what it is and shouldn't be disobeying the law. but to go back to the first point, which he made on the legality of abortion, the house and the senate can never overturn a senate decision. they can challenge it with a law, but the sad reality is no matter what they've passed up

until now, there's been a delicate line that they've had to -- that anybody has had to walk. but what we've seen in the past several years since the planned renthood vs. the other decision, there not a version of roe -- or put in the positive, there is an expansion of the public's ability on legislating something they really care about. and many, many people think that they might be the only personal who doesn't think it's right. and well, the problem is that most of the americans do think you should legislate at some point. and we legislate on far more minor matters and because this is about human life, not, you know, wildlife or any other life, we believe it's worth protecting and certainly do most americans. but the more important point is

that the court has shown a pathway for the first time in a mile towards -- while towards passing a law that would have an intent to protecting the child. and that would not be an undue burden on the woman's so-called right to abortion. host: is there more power at the state judicial level as we saw in texas with how courts treated their abortion law and is there more power there as far as the ability to work at that level? guest: well, certainly, depends on the circuit but the answer is yes in all but a couple of circuits. most circuits are more inclined to see this as a legislate place for citizens to legislate. so it will undoubtedly, this particular law, if we're successful and i think we will be, it will undoubtedly get to the supreme court because it is -- because just like the partial birth abortion ban, we challenged in certain states and then as the partial birth

abortion ban route took it being passed in the house and senate and vetoed by the president and produced a backlash of the state. so there's this constant dynamic going back and forth which is a beautiful part of our system in kind of an education and how the whole thing works. and what the partial-abortion ban is to ban one procedure, a very late term horrific procedure was to utilize all aspect of the state government, of the federal government and really, get to a point where finally, something that americans abort was pass in the federal law. host: our next caller is from south carolina. this is don. hello. caller: hello, pedro. i just wanted to -- the reason that i love and support my country and my government is because in the world, it allows me the greatest choices i can make. i have the most free will of

basically everybody. and i can decide without coercion what is right and what is wrong. now, you've got all these people calling in talking about murder, you know. when we talk about abortion. well, what are they? are they doctors in biology? they have none. we can't take that word. like the guy from texas or that gentleman that said hey, this organization, your susan b. anthony organization is for protecting the baby and the womb, but once the baby is born, those same candidates are taking ay food stamps, medical care and all this support systems preschool education. so you can't have it both ways.

host: so don, what would you like to ask our guest? caller: how -- why does she feel she can impose her cultural and religious beliefs on me? it detracts from the reason i support my government, you know, altogether. guest: well, 25 years ago, i would have been argue right with you. but the change in me and the change in many americans has been to see that we're not talking about chocolate or vanilla flavor. we're not talking about what kind of milk we're going to drink. that's a choice. it's legit. there are many choices that in the law are prohibited because they defy or undermine human rights. certain think of all the laws hat take a moral point and say my rights end where yours begin. over and over, every single day

and every court in america, there is something similar going on. now, the reason this one is so difficult, of course, is because it is a painful decision. no one except the extreme abortion rights advocate say that it's an easy decision. and the reason that so many people like me a long time ago want odd hang on to that choice is because it's so difficult. i don't want anybody telling me that i can't do it. e problem is that it doesn't acknowledge the fact of the two. there are two people. and when we refer to science, yes, there ice lot of science to show that it is a human being at a point. it's at 20 weeks. that's just a bit of a proof of the humility of a -- humanity of a child. it's never acknowledged as a fish or a dwarf, bunny or a tree or anything else. mothers talking about their children always say baby.

and when they are in a situation where it's going to be very difficult to have a baby, they are still thinking it's a baby and they are in pain. and we need to be there to help them. we don't need to be giving them a bridge to more pain and that is how my view changed. but it's not just me. i'm representing 51% of democrats. i mean, who are for this particular bill. i'm also representing a third of democrats who call -- who label themselves pro-life without any sort of definition of what that might mean. it's important that our nation be allowed to come to consensus on something so difficult and so painful that people are marching every year still. host: here's fayville, north carolina, republican line. allison up next. go ahead. caller: yes. good morning. thank you for taking my call. the guest ison for i did enjoy your advertisement. it was very touching and moving. the one that was shown and i

have seen it earlier at this time. but also, i know you are speaking on, you know, the the two etween candidates. he cares more for the women issues and issues that concern women more than kay hagan because she's woman. so i just want to know your point of view on that. caller: it's a good -- guest: it's a good point because at some point in the political arena, we hope to move beyond -- i, and i think most women hope to move beyond gender wars. i think women are tired of it. being spoken to as if only one part of 2004 body is your decision to center is very insulting and in fact in iowa, there's been a big backlash against that because the

incumbent has now been nicknamed uterus -- what is -- there's a nickname. the last and the actual media is calling him uterus udoll. you never want uterus to be in your name if you're a candidate and the point was that he can't stop talking about it. there's an obsession on it -- with it. and the democrat candidate who is have been coached by planned parenthood have told them do that. they've given him bad advice or they needed to say when to stop giving him advice because it is having a backlash. we are seeing abortion drop out of that messaging. we're seeing other messages and it makes a lot of sense. but parts of it is also that, you know, wait a minute are, of course, unique because of our gender. but we also have very common concerns with the rest of -- with the rest of humanity and with men.

the reason i started this group a long time ago and why so many women recoil from politics or have gotten into it to solve this particular problem and the particular problem is this politics, women's politics that excludes everybody else in your she's other people as obstacles to your fulfillment and enjoyment and happiness and your baby is going to be an obstacle to your joy and happiness. unless you have absolute control over all factors in your life, there is no chance you're going to be happy, and that conveys to in your life this craven space, angry politics that does not -- this grievance -based, angry politics. most women have gotten to the point where we might have fought a lot of things before and we will continue to fight, but we see our central job as bringing people together and trying to

bring people forward together. i think that is something missing in the politics of women right now. host >> this is from ohio, thisendent line -- host: is from ohio, independent line. caller: i have a couple issues. the first one is the tv ad. i know in a short amount of time, you can only gloss over the subject. i used to be a paramedic. there are times where accidents happen and the couple is faced with the choice of do we save the mother or do we save the baby. i would like some clarity from you to see how you feel about that. this is where i have a problem getting on board with you. by choosing one over the other, ipso facto, one life takes precedence over the other. >> i agree with you that it is i important point -- guest:

agree with you that it is an important point to clarify. point thatd to the you would never tell somebody you had to give your life for another person -- arrows and -- heroism to the point that you would never tell somebody you had to give your life for another person. caller: please understand that moderate conservative people like you need to be on guard against the extreme conservative people who will opportune eyes on your agenda -- who will on your agenda. what you're talking about makes perfect sense to me. they will try to push that further than you intend. my second point was about hobby legislation, you talk about not providing abortions. are you referring to plan b? guest: any drug that acts as an

abortifacient. caller: the problem there, i don't like when politicians are activists speak with medical illiteracy. -- pill prohibits fertilization. it doesn't terminate fertilization. a false truth is now accepted as fact. guest: the science says that it is -- it doens't -- doesn't always but it can act as an art -- an abortifacient. it is on a list with ru-486 an others. that's what the decision was about. it was about primarily the conscience of the employer and what -- wanting to give his

employees the best possible care that you could and keep his conscience and his family's conscience intact. it's an important concern to have. on the pain-capable fill, the five -- pill, the five-month pill, it is way bigger than the people trying to lobby for it, trying to run to the supported, it to support -- to support -- most people didn't even realize abortions were allowed at that way -- point. it makes them think about their own kids. it is a slow process, but an important one that is bigger than a little engineering of

important political moments. host: do you think they will sign it? guest: i think he will be a very important moment if he vetoes it . it could be a moment that no one would have noticed or seen. it will have residents in the states where there will be a natural reaction, if we cannot have afan role ban -- federal ban, i will make sure our state has one. there are many looking to do that, even before 2016. host: marjorie dannenfelser.

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