economic reform, tax reform, energy reform, school choice. e reform. you goown the list. or securing the border. think that's where the president really misses it and i found out that the president is not particularly interested in it when he came to daas and i asked tom come to the border to take a look at what was going on -- on a second. let me share onehing that i think is very important here. the president of the united did not know that his border patrol agents were 45 to the border infrom anpprehension type of a thetion, rather thann border in a prevention position. looked at valerie jarrett and is that right? i said i can answer it for you, mr. prident, it true. th president does not care about securing the border, i think that's the pblem, american people do.

a clearl he send message, congress sends the clear message that we're going he isure the border, wasting his time and i think the american people know it's a waste of time. my pet peeves is i hear secure the border. give me a metc that tells you, metric?he >> you come to the border, i'll show you. metric?s the what is it? theou put the boots on ground. you t the aviation assets. happened since may and july. we had over 10,000 apprehensions per month may, excuse me, june.in may and in july, after we had surged, enforcement, department public safety, texas ranger recoteams, parks and wildlife dens, literally putting those war dens in the river in the boats. 50% reduction in apprehension in july. of that 50% reduction

in august. that's the metric you' looking for. the rightded in direction because we're sending a clear message, the are personnel, law enforcement and military individuals on the border. you cnot come and just cross throw your hands up and say here am i and city in this country. not unlike what you would see happen in a community that had a crime problem and you put law enforcement or patrol cars io that neighborhood. crime goes dow the president, i think, doesn't understand or does n want to see implemented. i'm cynical in the sense of i think thipresident is not serious about border security. messageer sent us a that he's seriousbout it. until he does, the american people aren't going to trust him. >> do you think we'll have to the 11 or 12 million that a here, do you think that

eventually, n any of you eventually support some form of them? to citizenship for because one of the things it does, if you say they pay a fine theback taxes and get in back of the line and 15 years, is there an eventual path to tizensp for these folks? >> one, after we secure the should be --k it i think the american people will are hereolks that compassionately. too think our gate is narrow, i think it's too hard for people to come her illegally. want to come here and worknd get education, it great for us, it's great for our economy. one of the dumbest things we do is end indicate people and kick them out of the country. we have now spent 30 minutes talking about the president t law tomorrow. tried, i tried, i'd like to talk about energy, education.

insignificaot an issue. >> it is significant, but scott is right, the american people on day said we're tired of the government running our lives, we're tired of a foreign we don't stand with israel,. think everybody here is in agreement, we need to secure the border the president is not serious about it. i think it would be good if we also spent some ti talking we become energy independent -- >> governor, we'll get to the issues. path to citizenship, eventually is the one? to take a long time to answer it. >> you asked it five times, i've five different wa. secure the border first, then conversation. we've got 11 million people here illegally. the border first. and i'll just answer a question you didn't ask. in addition to approving keystone i think we should drill re gas at home, i think we

lng.d export bring steal manufactung -- [applause] i get a path to citizenship? emigrated tother this country from ireland. i don't think we should ever citizenship whose first act in this country was a violation of the law. is back inm saying 2006, the senior center from texas -- and i workednator on compromise proposal that was well received at the white house and on capitol hill. and after the democrats took other congress any thought of moving forward went by the boar. this president h the house, he had the senate, he had the white notng onid immigration reform. but i really doelieve that security rst, setting aside amnesty, but is there a way we can reform our immigration la includings our economy continues to gw a 21st century guest worker programs, part of e solution

of securing the border and our ecomic prosperity. bu i want to throw my voice in bobby and and tell you that this year in america the people said we want a change of direction this washington d.c., and i also that's to change the subject in wowed and focus on getting thisconomy moving arica'sd restoring place in the world. >> anybodypath to citizenship? is there going to have to be one? >> the deal is, first of all, i, well, everybody is for ceiling the border, because you can't in yourut who is coming front door. here's the thing. what's to think about going to bring about healing. i in my sense is that don't like the idea of citizenship when people jump the line. we may have to do it. it may be a laborious and tough process, i would never say you would never do it.

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>> maybe a higher fence, sir. or maybe some other -- >> because this guy got further in the white house than some of my replican colleagues have ever gotten. >> yes, sir. yes, sir, but you're right, sir, a higher fence would certainly help us, and we're looking for waysand options. in fact we hope within the next few months to have some renderings, some drawings, some tions r people to look at. >> the incident november 11t there's hardly anything we can do about somebody from a great distance with a rifl is there? >> well, it's very challenging, yes, sir, you're right. but what we have don as a result of that is we've pushed out our perimeter a little further to constitutional avenue, to ain to monitor that area, as well. >> i yield back the balance of my time. >> thank yousir. >> thank you. >> chair thanks gentleman and recognizes the gentleman from texas for five minutes. >> thank you, chairman. thank you for being here. i have a great admirationor the secret service, back from the days when i was a judge in

texas. i had agents bring cases, they were well prepared, and they did very well and well received by juries. and i think that's sll the case today. >> thank you, sir. >> the secret service does a t of things >> yes, sir. >> is your nuer one priority protecting the presint and the esident's mily? >> yes, sir, absolutely. our number -- >> so that's number one. >> yes, sir. >> and everything else is below there and you're in charge of all that? >> absolutely, yes, sir. >> i think i believe that the united states because of who we are, it's really neat that the people can go to the white house where the president lives. >> yes, sir. >> you can't do that in any other countries. whether it's western countries, or third world countries. you can't go see who's in charge. you can't go to their house. you know. and we get to do that. american citizens get to do that. i think that's a good thing.

let's go back to the fence jumpers. there have been 16 fence jumpers of recent years, is that correct? >> yes, sir. and en october 22nd i think we add one to that -- >> 17. >> yes, sir. >> all right. jumping the fence, going on to the white house grounds without permission, and i guess that would include republicans, as ll, going without permission, would be a -- is a federal offense, correct? >> yes, sir. >> of those 16, leaveut gonzalez, what happened to those 16 other fence jumpers? >> sir, i -- >> were they prosecuted? were they told to not do it again? were they released at the time? what happened to those 16 fence jumpers who presumably violated federal law by jumping the white house fence? >> sir, i know charges were filed. i'll have to get back to you with the exact how that played out in court, sir. i don't have those figures in front of me.

>> i would appreciate it if you would take each one of those cases, date, and what -- whether they were prosecuted and then the rule of the prosecution. >> yes, sir. >> and send that to the chairman of the committee who will share it with the restf us. >> yes, sir. will do, sir. >> but that ishe priority o the secret seice is protecting the president. >> it is, sir. >> it seems to me that the secret service cannot make a mistake. this is one area where, y know, you're protecting the president. thpresident's family. there can't be mistakes. and if there are mistakes, but for some other intervening reason, bad things are going to happen. i believe that that makes, you know, your job, as you now -- i mean as you knowthe secret service knows, very serious, and very important. there could be no mistakes. ever. this is no -- you cannot do a redo if there is a mistake of security of the president and the president's family.

at the white house there are not -- there's not just the secret service that is there. there's also the white house police, is that correct? >> sir, there's a uniformed division branch of the secret service that protects the white house. >> so ey're still secret service? >> they're secret service. >> they're not white house police. >> they're not -- years ago they were called white house police many years ago, yes,sir. but now it's uniform division of the secret service. >> okay. so it's all seet service. >> it is,ier, sir. >> it is, yes, sir. >> are there -- are there protocols when people jump the fence? 16 people jump the fence to make sure that the president and the president's family, if that's the ultimate goal of fce jumper to get to them -- >> yes, sir. >> that will not happen? >> yes, sir, and obviously on september 19th we failed in the execution of that security plan, but we do have very specific assignments, responsibilits of our all of our tactical units as

well as our officers at the white house complex. and they've been successful in all cases. >> i have a couple more questions with a minute left. >> yes, sir. >> you're not trying to say this event occurred because of so-called budget problems, are you? >> no, sir. >> it has nothing to do with the budget? because that's your number one priority is protecting the president. all the other things the cret service do and do well is dekd dare? >>es, sir, that's credit. >> clolombia, how many agents were involved in the scandal? >> i was not assigned at that time. >> i know you weren't in charge. do you know how many agents were involved? >> there were 13 and i believe 10 are nlonger with us. you all fired ten of them or let them retire? >> yes, sir. >> something like that. all right. i thank you for your help today. good luck to you. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you, sir. >> cir thanks the gentleman

and recognizes the gentlewoman from washington. >> thank you, mr. chair. thank you, director clancy for being with us today. >> thank you. i wanted to ask you regarding the september 19th incident in particular, can you explain further the radio communications challenges that were experienced? the were several officers unable to hear any quote comprehensible radio communications to notify them of the fence jumper leading to, for example, a delay in deploying the canine unit. so is it concerning that some officers eerienced unclear and muffled radio communications about the alarm break, and can you talk about what might have caused these communications challenges? whether it was people didn't know how to operate the equipment properly or whether there was actually problems with the communications infrastructure, the the underlying infrastructure? >> yes, thank you. we are very concerned with the rao communication. for us to execute our security

plan, we've got to have good communication. and that night we did not have communication we should have had. we -- i did read the report by the deputy secretary of homeland, and he highlighted that as one of our failings, the communication on that evening. we immediately went out and checked all of the radios at the ite house complex as well as our joint operation center, and we did discover some areas at the joint operationcenter that the commander at the joint information center, when he put out word tt there was a fence jumper, he was under the impression, and that his communication would override the hand held, but they did not. now we've corrected that. so when thejoint operation center has to get a message out, that will override any hand held radio communication. there was also some reports of the muffling of radio

communicion. sometimes that's in the heat of battle. people have to slow down, use radio discipline and explain exactly what happened. we did a review of any dead spots. were there any dead spots of radio communicatio and we found there are no dead spots. but the command post was one area we had to correct. and that has been corrected. >> and given communication is critical to deploying resources in aituation like this. the the report recently issued by dhs suggests easing infrastructure may have contributed as well. so are there specific sources that may be preventg you from doing the best job you can? is there modernization to the infrastructure that is going to be important? and can can you give me any feedback on what you think will be more hlpful in terms of the tools available to your

officers? >> yes,ma'am. as i'vbeen briefed, that is a main concern. sochl our equipment is aging. that is one of the areas we are looking at to try to enhance our radio communications. it's outdated, some of it. it's still operational. we are always looki to improve the assets that we have. >> and do you know specifically what it is that you would prefer to have or what would be helpful? >> i don't have anything specific. it's more techcal that i would have faxed today. but we'll provide a report for you. >> thank you, thank you. i appreciate it. i think i'll yield back my time. ch thank you, mr. chair. >> chair thanks the gentlewoman and is pleased to recognize the gentlemafrom utah. so to congratulate him on the new assignmentn the the new congress on chairman of the house oversight committee. >> i thank the chairman and director. i thank you for being here. the president made an exceptional choice bputting

you in this position in a difficult situation. i appreciate your service to this country and your role. you have an internal conduct. my understanding is it deals with false and misleang information. do you expect every person in the secret service to live under this code? >> we do, sir. yes. >> there's no exceptions as to o or should not live under this code about providing false inrmation and the penalties there? >> that's correct, sir. no exceptions. >> and my understanding is that ift is found that you're providing this information, that would be a five-day suspension to removal, correct? >> yes, sir. >> secret service put out a statement on september 20th, 2014, after the fence jumping incident. t where they said, quote, physically apprehendedfter entering the white housnorth portico doors. is that true or not true?

>> that is not true, sir. >> iwas further said that according to mr. donovan in an associated press article, that was posted on september 20th, 2014, at 1:24 a.m. eastern dlt time, donovan said -- ed donovan. what's his role in the secret service? >> here's our public affairs office. >> donovan said the man appeared unarmed to officers who spotted him climbing the fence, and a search of the suspect turned up no weapons. is that true or not true? >> sir, it's not true. can i elaborate on that, sir? >> let me keep going. >> yes, sir. >> how quickly after he was apprehended did you find the weapon on the suspect that had entered the white house? >> sir, i -- within minutes i would have to assume, sir. >> and somehow,r. donovan evidently claed that the

suspect turned up no weapon. this is then posted on the associated press. was there ever a correction given to the -- posted on the secret service website or given to the media that this was inaccurate? >> sir, i don't know the answer to that. so they just let th linger out there. let me go on. eration moonlight. mr. donovan is quoted as saying because there was no protective assets used during the checks, there was no impact on protective oerperations. do you believe that to be true or not true? >> sir, from the inspector general's report, everyone indicated it did not affect the protection of the president. >> so you have a prowler unit outside the whithouse. you have the president of the united states in the white house. and you don't believe that there's trouble by taking those protective assets and moving them close to an hour away from the president himself? >> sir, i' read the inspector general's report and we respect his report, and we agree with

the report that there was poor judgment in sending t prowler unit that distance in this case. >> the inspector general came the conclusion that the prowler unit would have been unable to respond if there was an incident at the white house. >> that particular prowler unit, yes. that'scorrect, sir. any agent -- >> so did the president have more or less assets around him from the secret service by uses the prowler unit away? he had less, right? >> he did not have that unit, yes, sir. >> so there was less protection for the president as opposedo more protection from the president. >> >> ll, it's a prowler unit. >> we don't know if there's going to be an incident on the president. how do you come to the conclusion that the prowler unit had no affect on the president's security. we were lucky there was incident. what if there was an incident? >> sir, we have agented assigned

toatch the field office. when they are called to the white house -- >> sorry. i have the yellow light on. i need to ask the core question here. we cited at least two, i believe three incidents, where the public was misled. there was false information. it was not correct. was there any disciplinary action, and who is involved in that cha of command to review what the secret service is saying? because as a member of congress, as a united states citizen, the secret service misled us on purpose. was there any consequence to any personnel? did you follow the code, and did yo suspend or remove people from their service? was there any penalty or consequence for providing false information? >> sir, i agree with you that i have the same outragyou have regarding the communication. >> we have to do a much better job of communicating in the internal. >> did anybody face disciplinary

action? you have a major morale problem. and this is why. there doesn't seem to be a consequence to doingomething in obvious violation of your own internal codes. >> sir, this was nonan intentional violationf the code. we just haven't communicated as well. >> ty just made a mistake. an innocent mistake? was ther any consequence? >> no. there was no discipline admistered. >> with all due respect, my time is expired. until you actually live by your own codes and you hold people responsible and accountae, you' going to continue to have this problem. there has to be consequences when people purposely and knowingly mislea the press and the congress. >> with respect, sir, again, from what i've heard, been briefed and have seen, i would

not sayt's intentional. there's a difference between misconduct and operational errors. and i think there's a very clear distinction. >> did you not know immediately he was apprehended at the the doors or deep in thehite house? >> time of the gentleman has expired. he will be permitted to aner the question. you can n answer that question. >> yes, sir, again. some people -- how that information was relaid, again, not being there i don't know how that information was relaid to our public affairs office, but it wasn't relayed in the proper manner. we gave d information. it's something we cannot do. we have to slow down with our communication. we know it's critical to give accurate information. and that's what our goal is. but we failed on that day. i agree wi you, sir. >> the geneman from new york, mr. jeffries is recognizeded. >> thank you, mr. chair, and thank you, mr. clancy for yo service to this country, to the secret servi, and for your esence here today. it's my understanding that the

number of threatso this particular president, barack obama in the the white house, s increased significantly since the president first took office in january of 2009. is that corre? >> no, sir. i would say there are spikes. threats rise and lower depending on world events. >> and so how would you characterize from a comparative standpoint the numbe of threats that this white house or this president has faced as compared to modern presidents over the last 20 or so years? >>es, sir. our protective intelligence department does metrics regarding just what you're referring to here. and we do compare it to previous administrations, previous presidents. and the last one i looked at, it does look as if the president's threat level has gone up

slightly. but that's not unnatural. it has gone up slightly. >> so the president's threat level has gone upto some degree. and at the sam time over the last six yrs, we've seen security breach after surity breach after security breach. i think that is a reason for us to be concerned, if not outrage ed as it relates to the state of the secret service right now. as it relateses to the concern cans that you've established upon yr arrival, i think you mentioned three. staffing, trainingnd morale. is that right? >> that's correct, sir. >> and is itair to sayhe staffing issues you confront relate to the fact that y don't have the budgetary resources necessary to operate at an optimal level? >> sir, i think our staffing levels from a budget perspective are appropriate at this time. one things we need to do to

build our staffing is to better our hiring process.ed in an opening statement, it takes abt 12 months for us to get people hireding on. we have to do a beer job of identifying good quality people early on in the process so we can streamline that process, maybe move that 12 months to 7 months, possibly shorter. # # # as we're experiencing now first of all, there's still an incredible interest in the secret service. the last job announcement we had 45,000 applicants. only 72 made it through the process and were hir. >> now if i can hone in on that point in terms of interest 234 the secret service. connect it to the prlemhat you've identified and members of this panel and other members of congress have identified, you've got the elite presidential protection unit, correct? >> yes, sir. >> and that is gerally viewed as st of an optimal assignment within the secret service, is

that fair to say? >> in my view, yes it is, sir. >> you demonstrated yourself in that time. we thank you for that. as it relates to the uniformeded division, there's a general perception among many observers to the secret service thathat is vwed as a less than desirable assignment or on a cash system perhaps some may say, as it relates to secret service hierarchy. is that fair? is that fair to say? >> for the uniformed division? >> yes. >> that's a very challenging position. yes, sir. those officers at the white house and in the foreign missions, they have a very challenging mission. i have great admiration for what they do when you consider, as was mentioned earlier, the the number of people in the white house. we have over 300,000 people screened coming through that white house every day. and these officers are confronted with a variety of issues and i have great admiration for the work they do there. >> what can you do to sort of

improve both the morale and the operational ability, the competence of the members o the uniform secret service division who play a very importt role, and of course, with the most recent incident we saw in terms of if fence jumping episode, clearly did not perform at a level commensurate to what the american people, the president, and the first family deserve? >> yes, sir. our people are- they desire more training. they have a passion to get out to our facility for more training. and we've got to get them out there for that additional training. that's one thing that m help their morale. additionally, i think we've got to do a bett job of communicating and hearing their sures. and that's why we put more focus on the anonymity of the concerns sent. because these officers want to be heard. and it sits on my director's staff. so twice a week, when i meet with the director staff, they will bring those issues to the

table where i'm sitting. and as much as we want to allow people to communicate up, we have to communicate down as well. and that will help the morale of the uniformed officers, too. traing and better communication will be a good start for helping the uniformed officers. >> thankyou. yield back. >> thank you. >> chair thanks e gentleman and recognizes the gentleman from pennsylvania mr. marino for his questions. >> thank you. director, it's a pleasure to talk with you today. it's nice to have a fellow pennsylvanian as director of the secret service. i worked for thesecret service for 18 years as state and federal prosecutor. and i have nothing but praise for the sect service. you have the bt of the best, and i have personal experience there, so i thank the agents for theiservice. the president made the right choice putting you in this position. i can tell instaly from th way you answered several of the questions. the right choice of assigning

u.s. director. you have your hands full. >> yes, sir. >> there are some changes that ha to be made, but have complete confidence in you that you will square these issues away, improve security, impro morale, et cetera. i do believe that i'm kind of old fashioned. i think secret service should be withtreasury, not homeland security. i think there was a finer system of operation there. no disrespect homeland security. they have their hands full in many other aas. anwith that, i'm goi to yield back, because many of my questionpertain to the second roun so thank you for being here. >> yes, sir, thank you, sir. thank the gentleman. if you'll bear with me, i'll recognize the thnext person. mr. sicilini from rhode island.

excu me. i'll recognize ranking member mr. conyers. >> thank you both. i apologize for my tardiness. and i too welcome mr. clancy. i wanted to raise a little discussion about the ten people that have succefully climbed over the white house fence. and is there any thought yet about how we're going to repair this problem that keeps happening? replacement or a different desi, or what are your thoughts as you sit here before the judiciary committee, sir?

>> yes, sir. there's several levels to this, sir. the the first is from our own operational standpoint to address what happened on september 19th. we immediately instituted additional training and integrated training between the tactical units and our uniformed division officers, first with the four-hour block. classroom work. and then additionally six-hour block out of our training facility, where we would do the integrated training, so we could do a much better job and not allow what happened on september 19th to occur again. but additionally, there are some other things that we are looking at to include adjusting to either the height of the fence or some modification to that fence. d again, we' worked very well with our partners at national park services. we've met with them already regarding this concern. and we'v also met with the -- we're meeting in the very near fure with the nation capital planning commission. and the fine arts mmission. and with those meetings, we think we're going tdo a - wee going to find some

solutions to make it more difficult fopeople to get over at fence. >> thank you. now the secret service performs two huge missions. one, protecting the president, vice president, their family and dignitary. but also of investigatin crimes against our financial system. and some have raised a question whether secret service should maintain both missions and question whether the investigative mission reduces the eectiveness of the protective mission. have you examined these issues yet? >> yes, sir, thank you, sir. and let me just break it up. uniformed division the officers at the white houscomplex are strictly the for otection. on the agency side of the house, we do have a robust investigative field office. field offices throughout the

country. we think that is critical to our mission. our protective mission and overall missi. the work our agents do in the field allows them to build skills from working the streets, ing interviews, situational awareness, those skills carry over into the protective mode so you're much more attentive, you pay attentn to your details. it helps you with your advance work. there'a direct correlation between the investigative side of the house. and to include with the cyber investigations, where 've had great success, we use a lot of those people in our critical prottion systems division, which we use protective movements. we used them significantly with our national special secur events. so that we see the correlation between the psical security of our sites as well as the cyber

securit security. >> thank you. let me ask you about the september 19th incident. it revealed numerous problems with radio systems, alarm systs, officer training, physical attributes o f the whe house grounds and officer performance. do coy have any way of determining in your capacity as acting director whether we have facilities in training, to host wholescale drills, to test the equipment so that we can be confident that it will n fail us i the future? >> sir, just as an example, with the training that we've instituted just recent, again,

for retraining, we sent our officers out there. we built a mockup of the white house grounds. have the proper distance from the north fence line tohe north portico. but it's a mockup at our facility. ideally in the future, we would love toave a true replica of the white house. so that our dogs can feel comfortable working in the true environment of what the north grounds are like. so that would be a longerm goal to get a mock-up of the whe house at our training facility. >> glad to hear you saythat. i ask unanimous consent that my ening statement be in the record. >> without objection. i thank the gentleman from michigan the chair will now recognize the je nan from north carolina, the the former united states attorney. >> thank you, mr. chairman. director clancy, thank you f being here. i ink it's very goo that someone with a long history in the secretservice is there to

address these problems. like my frid, miss marina. i spent a long time woing with the secret servicend have nothing but respect. the secret service is always willing to jump to a task force and bring whatever sources they have to the table and how to multitask is always good. they bring a lot to the table and always pride themselves in having prepared cases and so forth. pickg up where mr. mari in, a left off, it saddens me to hear the secret service is having such morale problems.

considering the elevated rate of statue in secret service and in talking to agents over the years, some ink that the problems with mora wile started when secret service was taken out of treasury and lumped gether with lot of other law forcementagencies, all great agencies, i'mot saying them. bu you were in the the secret service when it was in the treasury department. take a moment and just flect on that. do you think some of these problems started then, and if so, you know, what have you thought about ways to address morale problems that may have started when secret service left treasu? >> yes, sir, when i was a younger agent, a younger manager in the secret seice, we were under treasury. but i didn't have a lot of

exposure to those decisions at that time. so my true management experience has been with theepartment of homeland security. and to be cdid, sir. the issues that we've had as of late are really a reflection on some of the things that we've done. and i'm really focused on we've got to fix our own operational procedures, our conduct, and our morale. obviously concerned when i came back from the private secto and sathe reports on the morale issues, that was very concerning. so that's one of the areas, one of the top three areas, i think, we need to fix. and i'm committed to working oen ways to fix that morale. and as i said earlier, i think training is one thing we're going to have to build uphe training. if we can get our folks trained, they're going to feel more confident in their actions every day. and the other is communication. our folks want to be heard. they can see how we can be better.

theye got good ideas out there. we want to hear their ideas. if it's an idea we cannot implement, we need to get word back to them and explain why we can't implement the idea that we have. the key is communication. people want to be heard. my first day on the job, i met with our senior staff and said that's one o f the priorities we've got to have. we've got to communica with all of our people. all of our agents, our officers and protective staff. and make sure they're being heard and respected. >> good. e other follow-up question, and then i'll yield back. regarding the security guard who was armed and hadn't been cleared,ere there any other security guards armed? >> sir, as i've been briefed, there were other armed security at the the cdc. they were not on the perimeter. they were on the outside of the inner perimer. which is not uncommon on the the outside perimeter to have arms -- >> so ther were armed security

who had not been cleared on the outside of t perimeter. were there any on the insi of thperimeter, like the individualhat we've noted? >> as i've been briefed, sir, not on the inside of the perimeter, other than the elevator operator who w armed. >> thank you, i yield back. >> thank the geleman from north caroli. the chairill now recognize mr. cicilini. >> thank you, mr. chairman. and thank you mr. clancy for be with us today. as you understand, the protection of the president is a critical national responsibility, and i know that we all recognize dm many ways the work of the secret service really, our able to defend our democracy is directly tied to our abilit to prote the occupant of the white house, whoever he or she is at any time. so these issues are serious. and i think we all appreciat the seriousness with which you are approaching these new responsibilities and i thank you for being here to provide some testimony today. u made some referenceto staffing levels having declined

over the last several years while the workload of the agency has not. and so i would like to hear from you whether or not, recognizing there are training and personnel and scheduling and communications issues for -- that relate to each of the incidents we're reviewing in paicular, are there more general concerns that you have about resources, both at the staffing level and in terms of infrastructure, equipment, and the capacity that you have to integrate new equipment as it becomes available. >>essir, first with the staffing levels, we think we are appropriately funded for t staffing levels at this point. our concern is tting people to our pipeline and getting them hired quicker. so we can build up our staff. from the infrastructure standpoint, there are some things that we will be looking for additional funding. we've talked about the the fence here today. once we get good renderings and get the approval, if we get the approval from our rtners in the national region, that will be -- that will be required. some additional funding for

that. but also our communications we would li to update our communication systems. we saw that we had some failures on september 19th. so our communications need to be upgraded. and then, you know, the vic president's residence, we have a lot of facilities we protect. all of those are under constant revi. we want to update our alarms and cameras, and that'she main focus. >> now, i was pleased to hearto additional training, to be sure that you have some expectations make requests for additional facilities at your training facility. but in addition to that, it seems as if staffing polics also played a role in the incident, particularly in the incident on september 19th. and the agents being required to work overtime andany shifts

arow, and thaobviously contributes to a general weariness, and the way seniority plays a role. so can you speak to wha you will be doing or have already done to address the staffing issues so that they are contributing to the kinds of experices that we are -- >> yes, sir, you bring an excellent point, sir. particularly at the white house. we are taking it and making a review of our staffing in terms of experience at the white house. we want to make sure we have a good mix of experience as well as newer agents at the white house complex. and that review is ongoing now. we've already completed that review at our other branches of the uniformed division. >> because it appears that sometimes the the ast experienced officers are being assigned the most important responsibilities. isn't that what happens? >> we may have an overabundance of junior officers. to make sure we have good experience and mentors for the junior agents who may be on duty

at the same time. >> and that's an issue that you're examining? >> we are, sir. >> i should have started with this, and i'll end with this to say i have enormous respect for the men and women of the secret service. they have always really representeded the gold standard in many ways, and i'm very pleased you've undertaken the responsibility to address these deficiencies a help raise the morale of this agency. it's essential because of the important work that they do, and obviously i think this committee and this congress will look to be a partner and support you in any way you think is necessa to achieve that mission successfully. and with that i yield back. >> thank you, sir. >> tha the gentleman from rhe island. mr. irector, i want start by also thanking you for your service. i hold law enforcement in very high esteem. i woulde bias towards law enforcement. i think they have been given unique powers in our culture. with those come correspondingly uniq responsibilities.

it's a difficult job. and it takes a different kind of person to be able to do that job. when i hear reports about alcohol abuse while you're either on the job or about to go on the job, a when i hear reports of sexual harassment of female agents or solicitation of prtitution, with all due respect, that doesn't stke me as a training issue. that's a morale issue, that's a character issue. that's recruitment issue. if you need to go a seminar to learn at that ste of your career not to send sexually explicit texts to female agents, you have no business being in thsecret service. there's a quote from the spokesperson. periodically we have isolated incidents of misconduct, just like every organization does. but the secret service isot like every organization. that is not a defense to me.

you guys are different. >> yes, sir. >> and so inrom a recruitment standpoint, and we're going to get to jurisdiction in a second. but from a recruitment standpoint, are you getting te recruits you want or state and localaw enforcement folks, men and women applying? are you getting folks with no experience? talk to me about recruitment. >> we're getting a wide rang of candidates in our recruitment. one of the things we feel in my short time here is through the usa jobs, we're getting a lot of applicants who mayet moved on because they use the right words and e computer system. what we need to do is if any of our people know good quality people. people who served in the military. people who have law enforcement experience, good quality people, get them to our field offices. get them an interview and get them in the hiring process.

we have to get back to that. >> i'm going to refer to yr experti expertise. i'll probably have a different perspecte on whether or not yo jurisdiction should be as expansive as it is. way back when the earth cooled when i used to work with secret service, i never got the the connection between investigating counterfeit $100 bills that were created on an ink printer and protecng the life of the president or vice president or judge. i would rather have a state local law enforcement ficer who used to do homicide cases or child sex assault cases. so, you know, i watched atf in the early 1990s kindof delve more towards title l 21 cas. they just found themselves matriculating towards drug cases. i just wonder if it would not be in the service's best interest to let the marshals or bureau or somebody else handle some of

these and focus on what really is incredibly important, which is protecting thlife of our commander and chief and our judges and other important people. i mean, why is that not enough? >> sir, i appreciate your view. i would say additionally from my earlier statement that our field office, in addition to the investigations they do regarding counteeitingcyber crime and whatnot, they also do protective intelligence investigations. if you're sitting in kansas city or texas, and there's a thre made to the president, those same field offices, agents go out and do the investigation. so they've g the skills, and they've got to make judgments on is this someone who could potentially threaten or harm any of our protectees. so they learn those skills well. additionally, when our protectees travel to any city within the country, those same field offices, thos agents who already built up rapport with the locals in the the county officers, that has already been built through their

investigations. and now we're going to rely on to support them in a protective mission. in the middle pemeter, the outer perimeter. and so those relationships are very strong. and we use that from a protective stanoint. theytart the aance work. when a president goes to kansas city, the ginning is done by a field agent. well, you're the expert, and clearly i'not. but 's really tough for me to draw a connection between the investigation of financial crime and the investigatioof counterfeiting and protecting the life of "x." there may be categories of crime where there's a more natural, seamless transition. i don't know. you're the boss. there may be books that do prepare your agents. i don't see that. i'll share with colleague outside. for whatever reason we tend to

have the person whis not responsible before us. the person who you could argue was responsible is no longer in that position. i'm not going to spend my energy speaking. i do not understand not searching the white house when there is any evidence of a shooting. i cannot understand not ding that. but it's not fair to you for me to ask you about that. so, let the record reflect that i will on at leastone occasion. i will recognize the gentle lad fr texas, miss jackson lee. >> mr. chairman, tnk you very much. this is a very serious hearing. and i'm grateful to the judiciary committee for i concern, and i particularly want to thank you mr. gowdy for his words. i associate self, as i imagine every single member of congress does, and that is to recognize

first of all, t storied history of the secret service. your name has certainly traveled through many prsidents' caree and we thank you so much for your sacrifice. as well, i associate myself with that the most important responsibity, i believe, is the securing of the commander in chief. although, you haved a added additional ties. i think you've been engaged in the treasury before coming to homeland security and our founding fathers and mothers thght that was an appropriate role for you to be engaged. so the changes would require assessment and overhaul from many parties, including members of the yeets congres but i didant to putn the record that i thought that no one doubted the respect that have for the secret service.

and particully for the important and crucial role that you have. as recall, a former director pearson was brought to address the scandal about the cture of the service, and an independent review panel will ensure a report in the near future. just for the record, is that report coming so? yes, ma'am. that report has been compled. >> >> and i'm not talkingbout the one we receiveon homeland security. is there another report coming? >> the investigation on september 19th conducted by t deputy of homeland security. that's completed. >> right. >> now there's a blue ribbon panel. >> that's correct. >>y the secretary that was set up. my understandingis december 15th it will be completed. >> okay. >> that's what i'm asking. december 15th we can expect that. >> yes. >> that ties into the rason director pearson was appointed or besides the kpen tensy, but the idea was issues need to be

addressed before is that correct? that's correct. and so, we also know that every director has to address emerging threats and resolve staffing moral problems, et cetera. and so i'm hoping this report will address tat question. just as a side, and i'm going to into the pects of december 19th. but we know the are issues dealing with morale. i think you acknowledged that. >> yes, ma'am. and are you focused on trying to address those questions? >> absolutely. >> and i know that a recent order or notice came out for a female agent to wear their hair in a bun. as opposed to any other kind of hair style. can you tell me how that is relevant to caring for the principl that they have concern for. >> i'm not familiar with that directive. but i will certainly go back after this hearing. >> would you please check that? i would appreciate a sponse

back. and i would argue vigorsly that is inappropriate and certainly contributed to low morale. who is responsible for overseeing the disciinary processes? is a discipline consistent an appropriate across the workforce for similar violations? and has that -- so the ba of my question is who is responsible, and i there an attempt to make sure there's even handed assesent of the sis plin? >> yes, yes ma'am. as a result of the events, the office of integrity was set up by director pearson, and so, the purpose of office integrity is to have one central location where all discipline willerred into. and there a decision is made whether or not it's a criminal violation orhether it's a misconduct violation. et cetera. but at we wanted to make sure is that there's a consistency and a discipline that is

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