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we begin with your comments about hillary clinton. renewed t friday, a rumors that the former first lady will run in 2016. question is, should she? 202-585-3880 for democrats. 202-585-3881 for republicans. 202-585-3882 for independents. already, many of you weighing in on our facebook page. you can also send us an email. or send us a tweet. good sunday morning to you. first, this morning, the cover story from the new york times. on a republican candidate. back from the is brink, and ready to run harder than anyone else. that is the cover story of the new york times sunday magazine.

and dan has this piece at the le online washington post. friday's gathering seemed very much like a clinton family reunion. in attendance were scores of from across the country, many of them instrumental in helping bill clinton become president. and all are now just as determined to see hillary clinton get to the white house in her own right. speakers constituted a who's who of clinton loyalist. from ly notable were those obama's political orbit, and others who are now part of the ready for hillary operation or any other pro-clinton committees and organizations the have been founded in past two years, without doing anything other than saying no a second presidential campaign. has benefited n

enormously from the work of these people. anne is joining us from chicago, the democrats line. should she run? caller: no, she cannot run. host: why not? and you are democrat? caller: i'm registered as a democrat. and, you know, what really angers me a little bit about clinton thing is that the really dropped the ball. they are assuming that they are automatically going to get a big chunk of the black vote. they're not going to get at this time. host: thank you very much for your call.

page, he facebook clifford says no, and abby says yes. line on the republican from warren, michigan. caller: hi. i do not think she is going to run. have you're younger, you ambition and drive, but who would want to be president nowadays? her party is going to be so damaged by the president that she is going to look around and decide just to spend time with her grandchildren. host: thanks for the call. brad, are you with us? caller: yes. we had her husband turning all the jobs to china and mexico. trying to take guns away from everyone, even bb guns.

if you are going to do that, might as well take forks and knives away from everybody. host: okay, go to laurie from the carolina. should she run in 2016? caller: no, i don't think she should. has served our country long enough. think she should run. i don't think anybody should be be a career politician. host: okay, laura, thank you very much for the call. democrats, e for the hillary just have to say no. send us a tweet. this is from bilking who says so , hillary should run, but should elizabeth warren and bernie only to push the democrat agenda to the left. when asked about america's role

in the world -- here is a portion of that interview. >> that we can't abdicate our responsibilities. how we define it, how executed stuff of -- executed will be the stuff of political debates. matters to the world, and america matters to our prosperity and democracy. i hope more americans will engage in a debate, and i look for to having a discussion with people who read my book. >> to follow everything that is said about you in the media? >> i can't. it is just so overwhelming. i skim it. if it is important, you will come to me, i assume. a lot of it is kind of, you or unimportant e to me, but i try to keep up with it. but i cannot possibly read it all. host: a portion of our

interview with hillary clinton available on our website, as is all of our programming. treat that says, seriously? i have fatigue already. mike joins us from ohio. a democrat. mike, you're on air. caller: yes, my name is mike and i'm calling to support hillary clinton. i just couldn't stand to see another republican in there. john boehner and the way these guys have acted. host: we go to new york, also on the democrats line. caller: good morning. host: have you recovered from all that snow? caller: i am actually from northern new york. only had a dusting.

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good morning to you. caller: i think the question is too broad. that is how it is unfortunately being viewed. there are some new pressing issues. in other words, what would hillary bring to the table that would help resolve some of the outstanding problems we have in the world? as in war, poverty -- so i would like to see the question narrowed in scope. like i said, if it were a popularity contest -- it is not. this is just too important to be reduced to that level. thank you very much. host: thank you for the call. another viewer saying that i'm not thrilled at hillary running. led benghazi panel bolsters -- hillary clinton responded to the attacks. similar to five other government reports, the one released by the committee on said that the administration had not intentionally misled the public about what occurred during the attacks. in the talking points are created for officials, it turned out to be inaccurate. it also said that no order was given by the military to stand down. in responding to try and save those for americans killed, a that republicans have made based on the security team in benghazi that they. next is from florida. good morning, the republican line.

caller: yes, i would think that hillary would be kind of crazy to run. she has too many questions to answer about benghazi. and, i guess, she was a very smart lady and i would've voted for her years ago. but not now. she has done burned her bridges. host: another viewer saying, should hillary run? why not. the more the merrier. the party of choice. we should point out that was not in nton attendance, but described it as an odd event. about ers asked question hillary clinton's plans to a group of people who know as little as anyone about her presumptive campaign and its messaging. ready for nse, the hillary meeting was the perfect embodiment of the democrats current hillary problem. since we in the party supporting her, yet no one can

articulate exactly why. that is available to read online at the new yorker website. we're joined on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning, steve. to talk to t thrill the great man himself. how fantastic. really great to see you. here is the issue with hillary. she has to run. she's going to run. because the republican party has no to run against her. to beat jeb bush, she's going to beat anybody else they have right now. you know, she has everything going for. that nly fatal flaw hillary really has is on the gun issue. from the n stay away gun issue, as obama has done, good as a very, very chance to be our first female president of united states.

is -- there is -- the has come for -- we have had a black president now, now it is time for a woman to be president. are a republican, correct? caller: i am. i looked around in our party, and there is no one. the people in our party are not competitive. has had his day -- and i was a jeb bush supporter for -- but he is just still cranking out that old rhetorical republican stuff. i mean, hillary has something important going for her, and that is the global world we live in. prepared, one who is uniquely, i think, tto be in the global community and be

woman around the world -- she did her stint as secretary of state -- so, as i say, she has a few fatal flaws. she has to watch those. from the gun away upset our doesn't beloved nra, well, then, she could probably be the next president. host: ron, thank you very much for the call. we appreciate it. by the way, ben carson, who was in iowa over the weekend, said he is moving closer to potential bid for 2016. chuck todd sat down with ben carson for a book tv interview. that is our website if you want to check it out. in our interview with hillary from this past june -- c-span.org. book tv is in miami this week the international book fair. saying, this is

funny, gop might even get romney elected if hillary was the democratic nominee. well, republican politics the subject of this sunday's magazine. chris christie was just back from boca raton, florida. this piece is titled reborn to run. china's joining us next from tallahassee, florida. the democrats line. good morning. caller: good morning. i'm against hillary clinton and i'm a democrat. a lot of the action is going on the middle east, and i don't think the middle east has any for women in general. i love them -- but i do not think you have respect for them in an executive position. host: so you're saying that the fact that she is a woman disqualifies her? yes, i don't think her leadership in the middle east

would be cracked. host: if she were the president, theoretically, how do you think should be viewed? caller: tthey do not have respect for women over there. i do here, but they do not. some of the g at on the es -- based rolling stones piece on the the campus of at virginia, they have halted fraternal activities until january. jersey joins the tragic trend of those in the national guard and military. in six months, three guardsmen taking her own lives. from the houston chronicle, immigration order gives a jolt to labor across texas. the president talked about immigration issues and we will more on that later in the "washington journal".

dolores is joining us from richmond, virginia. good morning. caller: good morning. i think it is time for hillary to run. move time for a woman to that she can -- prove that she can do more than wash dishes and take care of children. women have been held on for so much and for so long. for them to -- for her to run. in time for them to respect her as a person. the earlier bout point that a woman is not respected in key areas around the world, including the middle east? caller: well, i think that they will respect her. think that they -- she is a woman of her word. host: okay. thank you very much for the call. next is mike from buffalo, new york. the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning.

yes, i think that hillary should not run -- not because she is epublican and democrat -- but because she was very slack on benghazi. her past is very sketchy. i mean, didn't she -- wasn't representing some respect them back in 1970's in 1980's? i think hillary clinton should not be present. i just want to respond to the early republican from california who said that us republicans have no good candidates. well, i think scott walker should run. done good for wisconsin. a surplus in wisconsin, and he has proven himself against the liberal the unions nt and over there -- even out of wisconsin. i think you'd be a great candidate. written had a piece about scott walker. we'll show a few points.

below neglecting earlier point new york times story saying that there's no evidence of misinformation by the administration. this is coming from a house republican panel. does that take away the argument, in your mind' what, : well, you know i'm not sure. there is a lot of stuff being going on t what is washington dc. but the fact of the matter is a very llary clinton has checkered past. extreme on the left and, i mean, even with the benghazi business that happened, i mean, i believe tthat it could've been prevented. certain people wheel re asleep at the and were careless, and i just cannot think -- i do not think can run for ton president. we have artie suffered six

far left barack obama -- already suffered six years of far left barack obama. i think we need a good conservative like scott walker who can, you know, get stuff done for the united states like he has done in wisconsin. host: okay, michael on the republican line. and another of you are saying no, hillary, no more scandals. have people forgotten scandal after scandal when the clintons were in the white house? reference to de scott walker, who was reelected for a second term. and this is saying that the republican party holds more us and controls more statehouses than any time since 1928. having reached the school, the the gop now goal, needs to look towards 2016.

calvin coolidge would be a smart model for the party. reagan nt ronald he hung a o much that portrait of the president and his cabinet room. next is mike from new york city. good morning. hillary clinton, 2016. what do you think? caller: thank you so much for taking my call. i'm a true independent from new york city. i'm a physician. a couple of to make comments llistening to the from california about this is the first black be the nt and this will female president rather

than any -- to vote for based on a sex is just that the weather continues to go -- their sex is not the way this country needs to go. i am an independent, but i look for results. and john kasich is a decent example of someone who has turned their state around. my last comment is, as a the affordable care act will be the only undoing of hillary clinton. is -- when by that president, became she pushed her care and she got squashed. people do not realize that the employer mandate is not kicking in for a few months. big, big, big thing because this woman dissolved many people who do not understand what the of little care act is, and will be affected by it to the point

know she will be affecting many of its powers. that may be her undoing. host: okay, mike, thank you for joining in. just tuning in -- we are heard coast-to-coast on xm we are asking about hillary clinton because, in part, in friday, she continued to talk about speculation on her 2016 bit. the benghazi report was also issued on friday said that is no willful intent by the administration to cover up what happened inside benghazi. our question -- should hillary clinton run in 2016? one of our viewers, going back issue of scott walker, says that he would be an awesome candidate. from the christian science monitor, there is this -- could anyone be hillary clinton? yes, of course.

some potential candidates senator bernie of vermont. maryland governor mark o'malley has dispatched staffers to iowa and amassing cash. but look, these guys have a little chance of winning. she is 52 points ahead of other democrats. the second-place democrat in question is vice president joe biden, who may not run if she does. third-place contestant is senator elizabeth warren. but again, the question, could anyone beat hillary? yes. the story available online. let's go to dorothy in pine bluff, arkansas. caller: . good morning

i must say that, for the middle class and the poor, hillary clinton will be the best candidate. republicans have shown that favor the middle class. and the clintons, we have to brilliant minds who have shown that they are for humankind. therefore all the people. and hillary clinton, being a woman, well-qualified, will best represent at. host: dorothy, thank you very much for the call. we'll take a look at the front pages of the new york times. a story that broke overnight. the passing of marion barry. he died at the age of 78. the former four term d.c. mayor was called the most powerful local politician of his generation. marion barry served three terms of the mayor of the district of arrest a survived a drug and jail sentence, thinking back to when a fourth term.

died early this morning in washington dc. he was 78 years old. a hospital spokesperson saying that he passed away earlier this morning, having been from howard just yesterday. given, but marion barry had been suffering from a issues over alth the years, including diabetes, and kidney ailments. he served as a member of the d.c. council the last 15 years. he had been present of the old board of education, and was the most influential and savvy politician of his generation. his personal and public life was fraught with high drama and irony. he struggled with alcohol and drug addiction. he separated from his fourth wife over unpaid taxes. june, at the national

press conference, book tv covered his new book. here's a portion. >> but, you do admit that you were not squeaky clean in the 1980's. alcohol and drug use and a couple of affairs. so, you do admit that. >> it wasn't hard to admit. it's the truth. i'm serious, that's the truth. me those two to years, that one night, i should not have gone there. i should not have gone to that have gone o not upstairs -- even though i'm sure they would have found some other ways -- but i'm glad they found this way, which is safer. i said earlier, i have apologized for that, apologized to the community. you talk about

i'm a strong, devout christian. a follower of jesus, he says forgiveness. i admit my defaults, i admit my mistakes. just -- and so, i somebody who is perfect. might've made a mistake made but a damn thing. >> marion barry at the national club this past june, as he talked about his life and his career here in washington dc. a former four term mayor of washington dc. marion barry died this morning at the age of 78. you can watch that interview

online@anytimeonc-span.org. back to your calls, should hillary run and 2016? joining us on the democrats line. good morning. caller: i'm just delighted to be on c-span. i have been watching c-span since 2001. hillary a few times, and i always admire her very much. if it wasn't for hillary, bill have made it through. because she is such a strong woman. with her experience and so the world, if -- if we are to face the world in the world problems today, we need a strong woman like her in the office. i think today come in america, she's the most call that person. here will be out campaigning for her, as i did in the last primary that she

ran. i supported her until obama won the -- the primary. i will be out there for her this time. you know, i'm just so delighted to be on c-span. i could just go on talking and talking and talking about my admiring hillary. i admire her longtime, even before she ran for office. even to the stories i heard about her in her college days and so forth. host: thank you very much for phoning in. don't be a stranger. caller: i won't. i will always remember the state. host: thank you very much. on the nt pages focusing oil boom in the dakotas. but the downside of that is in iran, the talks seek to

prevent a covert weapons program. let me just share with you what david is saying here. behind the efforts to close the iranian program this weekend, there is a little-known fact hidden from the public. more on that story coming up later in the program. back to your comments on hillary clinton. this is from another viewer who says that hillary clinton is the poster queen for wall street. take massive bribe money to win the white house. our next call is from kansas on the independent line. caller: good morning. i do not agree with the comment that you just referenced. voted for bill twice, but i think that hillary needs to voted for bill twice, but i

think that hillary needs to consider the damage that nafta and the china accords did for the working class, especially out here in the midwest. i think the benghazi episode damage to irreparably. i also think the closeness with israel and the elite money in the east is a real problem for me. the other problem that i see is what obama has just done. this is incredibly damaging. there are so few jobs out here. so, i think for these reasons, the democrats -- of course the republicans don't -- but i do not think my party represents the working class. i consider other voters to look at other parties. i think they should never go back to john webb or sanders. there are other candidates. thank you. host: thank you very much for the call. saying that this was necessary in the face of action, and this is about people's lives. this is about people. i would venture to guess, says those who inton, that end up laboring, it is really the lives of the people who are in, so many instances, longtime residents and workers who have not only raise children, but have made contributions to society. hillary clinton saying that the president's actions were necessary, and also calling at historic. the front page of the washington post, war on bill cosby. piece on a number recast a cultural

icon, including a piece by a former playboy playmate who she was actually harassed and rapes by the comedian -- sexually harassed and raped by the comedian. from his pioneering years as the first black star of a drama back evision 1965, to the mid-2000's when as sby was firmly entrenched an elder statesman and a philanthropist. new interviews detailing the sexual assaults allegations against the cosby. beverly is next. the democrats line. hillary clinton in 2016, should she run? caller: sure she should, but they should have other people running with her. for hillary, benghazi -- all

way stuff on benghazi, the to cut d it -- they had the budget, this may not have happened. the republican party is the one that cut the budget. they are the ones that are cutting all of this. come january, we may not have to worry about 2016. by the time they get done with middle class and poor -- we are going to be in the streets. this is ridiculous, the stuff old have done to the good us of a. this is not the country i grew up in. they are hurting millions of people. and it has got to stop! is hurting whom, beverly? caller: the tea party has assured that this country -- the boehner doesn't have you know what to stand up to

them. stuff cannot be happening. they should go from the top of -- the rich -- come budget, cut rich taxes, get rid of stuff that is not working, and work this out. host: okay, beverly, thank you very much for the call. one of our viewers -- hillary clinton's large lead in polls is as much an inflated bubble as the stock market. we go back to the issues, speaker boehner among them. our guest this week's congressman bill for us. he is the incoming chair of the republican study committee. >> think about the impact of been eople that have standing in line and trying to become legal in the right way -- and follow the law. and suddenly, they have 5

million people jumping right in front of them. that is not fair to these people. i think that, if you look at the polling out in the wall street journal this morning, over half the americans do not president to do this. i think it is a bad decision, is an unlawful decision, and from a political standpoint, he is making a big mistake. so we, as republicans, should not do something that causes the spotlight to move from his to our bad tions behavior. host: the issue of immigration another topic for congressman bill flores. he is the incoming chair for house republicans from texas. you can watch it at 10 o'clock eastern time. well, this is the headline on the sunday morning from the st. louis post-dispatch -- more as a grand jury continue again tomorrow. here are details available online. there will be no announcement

today from the st. louis county grand jury hearing. the shooting case, according to sources, the grand jury is to reconvene tomorrow. a decision is widely expected as we can, but the grand jury is still gathering information. barricaded outside the police in clayton on saturday, all in preparation for an eventual announcement. protesters have been prepared to take to the street if ferguson police officer dan wilson is not charged in the fatal shooting during a next ontation in a street to an apartment complex. whatever the grand jury how the members arrived at the decision, that will remain secret by law. the story available from the state was post- dispatch website. hillary clinton, 2016. should she run? good morning. caller: good morning.

thank you for having me. i believe that hillary should a n, especially if she has very strong vp. at hopefully christopher -- because both of them would probably not only balance the country out, but the people can be offered healthcare, education, and jobs. the 1%, they just want more money. they do not know how, you know, understand that, globally, we need to work together to solve some of these problems. i think that, they would get us going. host: they do very much for the call. senator mary landrieu is on a losing vote. she gets the award for the worst week in washington. latest eat was when the in the nation, while dump licans continue to millions into promoting

representative bill cassidy. the election runoff is scheduled for saturday, december 6. only debate is discovered -- scheduled for next monday. the newspaper also reporting on this meeting. headline -- what hillary allies fear the most. number one, the inevitability factor. nothing in politics is a sure thing, even if your last name is clinton. also, obama's third term. should he is at it, she give a distance from the president. and also the elizabeth one factor. most expect that warren would not challenge hillary clinton. more details available online.

jerry, harmony, north carolina. the independent line. caller: good morning. absolutely not, i do not think hillary should be president. bushs e had enough of the and the clintons. hope that ben carson and allen were should be on the repub win the they would white house in a landslide. a 72-year-old white american, it is time we show this country that we are not racist. support those two people. americans, both of them, and i think they would take this country in the right direction. the black americans in this country should be furious with barack obama over what he has done the other day about is immigration thing. the unemployment rate is a most terrible of what the white in this country are, and

these immigration people are to take over -- the american people in this country are, and is immigration people take over the jobs. host: thank you for the call. you might at some of be reading. we are live in miami for the miami international book festival. this marks c-span's 17th year there. a number six is "stonewall". we sat down with the author, airing this weekend. rich from kingsport, tennessee. good morning. caller: good morning, steve. and happy upcoming thanksgiving. i really love your style. you really set the gold with susan and brian, along with how respectful you are to all the callers.

talk about - let me personality. to hink that just listening all the callers, and even seeing the news report, it is a constant referral to hillary. ms. clinton, senator clinton, secretary of state clinton, it is almost like the beatles. we are on a first name basis. say that with ght jeb, and maybe a few -- it is much so with hillary, even i just did it. i have -- as far as -- no confidence. i think she's much more cynical than her husband. it is all about politics. it is not about caring. i think she would be polarizing, and it would be good for conservatives if she did run.

personally, i could support a democrat who would be pro-life like joe nsible ideas mentioned -- i would recommend maybe the governor of new mexico for the republicans. possibly ben carson. outside of the beltway. some new, fresh ideas. anyway, that is my comment. focus just seen too much on the personalities and the celebrity status. are watching we "the voice". host: thanks for your call and a loyal c-span g viewer. have a good day. inside the washington post, the us is expanding the scope of operations inside afghanistan. the details also available online. pointing out that senior administration officials are saying that the us white house agreed that military leaders in afghanistan are authorized to

approve combat operations using ground forces, aircraft, and drones. they include counterterrorism operations against al qaeda, and assistance to afghan forces. those circumstances, us forces would probably be engage in direct combat with the taliban and other groups that pose a threat to them and others still in a country. a couple more moments with your phone calls and reads. this is from another viewer saying, wasn't hillary a guarantee in 2008? carl is joining us from lawrenceburg, indiana. good morning. caller: yes, i just want to say american people should not hold hillary responsible took place ngs that in benghazi. hillary -- she can bbe at the

potential of being a good leader, but i think the things will hold her back other things going on in southwest asia. i'm a retired air force member, they do not have respect for women in southeast asia. i think that would be her biggest problem is present. host: you're the second or third person to make that reference. how damaging to think it would be based on the fact that she is a woman? because she did serve as secretary of state. caller: she did, but i think who did the le negotiations. not deal with humans.. they're not allowed to drive cars. it is just not a good mix. and i think that is a hotspot of the world today. host: okay, thank you very much for the call.

more politics from politico.com and speculation and chris christie. cannot buy n, money christie love. chair helping the republican party go to victory. but even the incoming governor of maryland said that he had not made a final decision. he is not ready to make any sort of endorsement. this week, the new jersey governor helped to reship the political landscape, even as to jump aboard his budding presidential candidacy. the full story online at politico.com. gimli, you get the last word from pennsylvania. good morning. caller: good morning. with the t issue terrorsit deal -- i think it is

the biggest mistake obama ever made. host: okay, kimberly, think of a much for the call. the conversation continues on our twitter page. take a short o break. when we come back, we're going the alk more about president's immigration policy. table to oined at the discuss that, and we'll talk about the negotiations that this weekend in vienna secretary of state clinton and our allies on iran. that is all had on this morning of "washington journal". he knows behind me, the scaffolding is now fully around the state capital. part of a two-year project affects more than 1300 cracks in that iconic dome made of steel. the last major renovation took in 1959 and 1960.

official speaking this past week about what is involved. >> i mentioned moments ago, the scaffolding f the is a significant. the purpose of the scaffold is a very practical one. access are now able to the dome freely, and can use the equipment necessary to begin the restoration work in earnest. weighing in at more than 1.2 pounds, the scaffolding is specially designed to weight ute that throughout the dome, rather than directly on the roof. see behind me that it actually hangs from the dome, instead of sitting on the roof. in total, more than 75,000 pieces of scaffolding pipe were 52 d totaling approximately miles of scaffolding.

in addition, would planking -- down on nking is lay the scaffolding. in total, the scaffold has 25 levels, reaching up to the base of the statue of freedom. this restoration is the first history of in the the dome since its construction in 1855 to 1866. capitol dome was constructed with nearly 9,000,000 pounds of cast-iron, the new york foundry in new york city. the dome itself is made of cast-iron plates, ranging from 3/8 of an inch to half an inch thick. the total surface area is about 100,000 ft.. you'll notice there are 36

total of 108 a windows on the dome. thousands of decorative elements, some of which we will show you this morning. >> "washington journal" continues. host: our sunday roundtable focusing on immigration. we want to welcome francine from the christian monitor. and aaron from the wall street journal. for your time today. we begin with you asking about president of the speech on friday in las vegas. some questioning whether or not he should have waited until the new congress is in place, and some questioning why he didn't do it six years ago. guest: to begin with, he had about doing it earlier. it had thought about doing before the elections, but then there is concern among around the country that if you come out with this, it could hurt my chances.

so the pressure was on the president to actually do it until after the election. the ink waiting until newcomers comes in is problematic for him because he this last use lame-duck session to try and force congress's hand. perhaps one last hope that they might actually pass the senate bill. his charges that will narrow of time to focus action on the senate. once a new congress seats, you have to 70 again. host: some wondering, has this boxed in house and senate the issue of n immigration? guest: that is one of the primary question coming out of this. is the president, by acting of ne and stirring up a lot anger among republicans -- does the death of immigration? or, in some how stirring things

up, busy blowing went into the embers of immigration reform in congress and forcing congress his hand to act? that is the discussion is going on right now among republicans. host: this is very much after that the president did have a majority in the house and senate. guest: he had said he wanted to legislation tion his first year. other priorities took over, and lost his house majority and had to work with a different congress. bill to the a senate last year -- a went into bill -- it the house -- the republican control house, at that point, and it didn't pass. host: why not campaign on this in the midterm elections. why not use the senate bill to force the republicans had? guest: because now, the republican can prove to the latino voters that he acted on their behalf.

guest: another thing in the this is a is that president who has been accused of drawing redlines and then failing to follow through. prominently in assyria debate where he said he was going to take action against then didn't follow through. essence, signing immigration was unilaterally john. the only question -- drawn. the only question was if he was going to do it before the budget date or afterwards. latinos and romised the nation that he is going to act by years and. he had drawn a red line and failed. there's another point here and that the president has his legacy to consider. now we can say, look, i have done the utmost of my abilities. i did accomplish this. it as another checkmark to his lazy.

albeit, a temporary checkmark. host: and that is an important point because this can be rescinded by the next president, right? yes, and it is also a danger to the next president. host: let me follow up on the politics behind all of this, regard to the republicans, of ause there are lots stories about lawmakers trying to defend anything with immigration. now we're learning that there is really little money involved in what they can fund and not fund, correct? guest: that is correct. the leadership has to decide whether they really want to fight, and how hard. and whether this is the point they want to fight on. they are worried that if they

go too far, it will be a affront to latino voters -- who they are trying to win over. yet, their base says they have to do something. so they are talking very tough right now. they're saying we are going to respond, but what they do remains open. the house that appropriation committee has determined that they cannot strictly defined this action because the agency that carries out the action is not by by user fees, congressional appropriations; therefore, there is not a congressional appropriation that can be rescinded. i guess the question on the something f that is the gop leadership find finds to be or welcomed because it means that they can't act in a way that angers latino voters. host: and also related to all this, the lawsuit that was formally filed on friday by house republicans will do what? guest: the lawsuit is going to say that the present cannot laws of the land the way he is supposed to by

not carrying out the employer mandates. the affordable care act called employers to provide president and the has delayed that -- twice. host: so with all these issues, immigration and obama care -- and other big like senator mitch up and ll want to take tax reform, some saying a government shutdown because of the executive order. where does that put congressional republicans? guest: you have one side that they can govern. i was there, that is a conversation going on right now. the republican leadership does not really want to fight over budgeting. they do not want to shut down.

they want to pass a bill that fund the government. the government is going to run out of funding on december 11. something has to be done by december 11. is a uestion is whether it short-term answer where kicks into the new year and they redo the budget all over again, the o they resolve this for whole fiscal year. through t to fund it all next year, and they want to clear a path for tax reform, for trade, and maybe another look at immigration legislation. all of those two things, by the to the important business community, which generally backs up republican leadership. whether they can get a more members to go along with that plan is the question on the table right now. host: erin is the national politics editor for the wall street journal. previously with the washington graduate of overly college.

and francine who was with the christian science monitor. the re that, she was with san jose news, a graduate of smith college. we will go to your phone calls first, a moment, but here's the president as he spoke about the issues in las vegas on friday. >> it has now been 512 days. a year and a half. in which the only thing standing in the way of that bipartisan bill in my desk -- can sign that bill -- the only thing that has been simple g in the way is a yes or no vote in the house of representatives. just a yes or no vote. if they had allowed a vote on that kind of bill, it would have passed. i would have signed it. it would be the lot right now -- law right now. these leaders read here to make it happen. pelosi kept on saying to

john boehner, let's just call the bill. see where it goes. hard epublicans who worked on this bill, too, and they deserve credit. because even though it was not necessarily popular in the party, they knew it was a rating to do. but despite that, the house of representatives would not let it come forward. and i cajoled and i called and i met. i told john boehner that, yes, i would wash your car. i will walk your dog. whatever you need to do. just -- just call the bill. that is how democracy is supposed to work. hadn't been otes there, then we would have to start over. but at least give it a shot. he didn't do it. host: the president in las vegas on friday. francine, let me go to the president's point because democrats and republicans have if the peatedly that

senate bill were before the house, it would get more than 300 votes. the majority of the democrats and probably 40 to 60 of the -- what has speaker and been dealing with inside -- speaker boehner been dealing with inside his own caucus? guest: he hired -- hired someone to deal with this issue for him. caucus is not at all united on this. in the house, each of these congressional districts, most of them anyway, do not have sizable latino communities, so there is no elect oral rusher pushing at house members. a large -- a lot of tea party group members don't want this kind of thing. -- elct world pressure onoral pressure pushing

house members. legislationpass with your majority and not worry about what the democrats are doing. he cannot get it in his majority. that's the problem. host: here is what speaker boehner had to say on friday. [video clip] has turned a deaf ear to the people he was elect it and we were elected to serve. in the days ahead, the people's house will rise to the challenge. we will not stand idly by while the president undermines the laws of our country and places lives at risk. we will work with the american people and we will work to protect the constitution of the united states. -- aaronon bittner zitner, that's what he had to say on friday. guest: it would have passed with

a minority of the republican caucus, which francine is saying is the problem. typical on the point she was making and go back to it, -- to pick up on the point she was making and go back to it, this points out how elections work. house elections are district by district. house majority is built on largely white congressional districts. the president is elected by a series of statewide elections. the dynamics are different. coming out of 2012, the speaker of the house was white worried about the fact the president -- was quite worried about the fact that the president won the election with a mere 39% of the white vote. president obama did not need white voters. he won 80% of the minority vote. for a leader of not just the house, but of the republican party, like john boehner, to

position his party to win in a national election, he would have to do better than getting a mere 20% of the minority vote. andpolicy affects families people in this country and workplaces. host: our sunday roundtable focusing on immigration. what's next for the president and congress now that the executive order has been implemented, as affecting -- implemented, affecting as many as 4 million to 5 million americans question mark -- americans? joseph is joining us from by cilia -- from visalia, california. good morning. caller: good morning. is, thei feel about it president is the president of the american people, not foreigners. he has done more for foreign people than he did for his own black people. the black high that the black

unemployment rate is higher than the blackse -- unemployment rate is higher than anybody else. host: we have had a couple of calls on that in the last few days. african-americans angry the president -- at the president. guest: absolutely. in immigration, there are winners and losers. economists will- tell you there are more winners than losers. there is resistance to new immigrants coming in in many parts of the country because of the competition. this order affects people who are already in the country holding jobs. that doesn't mean it won't create new competition. ,nce people have workpapers which this gives them the right to apply for, they are now free to move through the economy in

ways that we don't know or understand. there are some clues based on the 1986 amnesty, but people who have farm jobs, well play -- well-paying jobs will probably use these workpapers to try to go up the income ladder and create with other people -- and compete with other people for jobs in -- jobs. host: this could be a good and for congressional republicans. they could pass a far more conservative immigration bill .nd force the president's hand guest: that's an interesting theory. it could be true. one of the president's senior onisers was at a breakfast friday and this question was raised. how would the president react if he's by piece legislation came over from republicans?

he actually refused to say how the president would react. he said, let's just see what comes over. nothing has been ruled out yet. we don't actually know how the president will react. there isis, unless some indication that eventually republicans will find a way to you would be 11 million undocumented workers who are here, the president won't be interested in only punitive measures. host: west palm beach florida, democrats' line. caller: independent. host: you are on the air. good morning. caller: good morning. on last time i called you may 18, you are always very fair. it is a stupid figure. it is not 11 million. a couple of years ago, it was 12 million.

how many do you think it is? caller: posted three times that. we are looking at between 30 million to 40 million illegals in this country. i don't know that personally, but i see it where i work. we have people coming in every day that i know are illegal aliens. they have the mexican consulate regards -- consulary cards. shares thecounty process, helping them get ids. all over the nation, there are mexican centers, guatemala centers, people to help, lawyers they go to court for them so they don't get deported. back in may, when i called you last, there was an article that came out that 36,000 criminal illegal immigrants were released in 2013. there were a few hundred murderers, 400 rate this is, 300

300pists, -- 400 rate kidnappers. they were in the final process of being deported and they were released. there was another report that 68,000 more criminal illegals -- not just 36, but another 68,000 in ice custody were in the final process in 2013 and they were released. host: how would you frame that into a question? caller: this is the bottom line. he has a goal and agenda. my comment is the goal is to create an under class. the goal is to create democratic voters. i don't care about all this other paraphernalia. i always look at what is the reason why someone is doing this. to me, he is a liar and a fake

who needs to be impeached. host: john from west palm beach, independent. how would you respond? guest: there is no question that latino voters vote, for the most part, democratic, and more legalized latino voters will tend to vote democratic. there is no question about that. and in terms of the politics of it, whether that is the actual motivation, it's a side effect, that's for sure, that latino voters vote democratic and more latino voters will be voting democratic. host: this is pure political speculation. had he done this before the midterm elections, would it have changed races? guest: that's the question, did

the democrats make a mistake by running away from obama and the president obama make a mistake by not doing more to turn out the base. could they have energized the base democratic voters question mark -- the base democratic voters? the republican wave was so high that it overcame this increased democratic turnout. it was 120,000 votes. it made the difference. it is speculation, but something democrats are definitely thinking about. host: go back to your earlier point about where this could put a republican president, rand how would this position them, if nothing happens in the house or senate, how would that put them potentially in 2017? guest: in terms of this

particular executive order, that president would have to decide whether to rescind the order or not. it could be a very high wire act. that's a lot of people, 5 million people who will have had these benefits in the last three years. to suddenly undo that would .ring up huge protests it would not be risk free for a future president. in terms of acting in other areas, a republican president might decide to take executive action on environmental controls, decide not to implement or interpret parts of environmental law the way democrats would like. it is not risk-free, to just say i will rescind this executive order when the next president comes in, if it is a republican. host: republican line, sheila, good morning.

caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i just feel like this is completely political. the first two years, he stated that he was going to do something for the illegals and he didn't do it the first two years, whenever he had the chance. i teach at a small school. two children got that do not speak spanish. overcrowded, yet they get one-on-one attention. that's going on all over. i heard our state attorney general say the consequence of this action -- this action affects the state. president obama said they won't get any benefits. they get school benefits. care.et stamps, medical they are getting all that we as american citizens to get free.

i certainly don't get it. i have to pay these taxes for them. i'm afraid. our states are strapped. bankrupton is going to the country eventually. host: you had two students who only spoke spanish? caller: their parents don't even speaking this, sir. host: i appreciate that. i wanted to make sure we had the information correct. do you want to respond? guest: it is a difficult situation. you hear some people saying the first thing we should do is secure the border. ,hat the president would say is look, i don't have infinite resources. congress hasn't given me all the money to find and deport all of the illegal immigrants here, and that would not be good policy anyway. i'm going to focus on the most dangerous illegal immigrants. he has had a lot of pressure from latinos over this.

deportations have been well above the bush era levels. he has deported more than 400,000 people per year. focusing on gang members and felons. if we had committed resources, why would we go after a parent who is here working in the fields for a california business who has not broken any laws and who has children here in schools. why put our limited resources to finding that person when we want to find the gang members? host: let's go to the independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. i have been watching the conversation between the different guest you've had. there is this common misunderstanding among not only the colors but the guests you but thethe callers, guests you have. these people are poor people being forced out of the countries because there is no hope.

if i was a poor latino person, and i have many latino amigos and amigas, i would do the same thing. if i could get over the border and put my child in school, have free education, get food stamps, and have insurance -- have to earn a wage, i would do that as well. employers are looking away. the reason it happens is money. these people who are here illegally, whether they are on a visa or whether they sneak over the border -- on an overstayed visa or whether they sneak over the border, are buying thi ngs. sales tax purchases on a daily basis. i agree with the guy in florida. this 11 million mantra is a bunch of baloney. there are 30 million to 40 million illegal people in this country.

let me back up. bear with me. 1981, the 11 million figure was used as illegal immigrants, mostly applied to latinos, unfairly. let's say those latinos. they have a birth rate of one per year. half of those 11 million are women. we would have 5 million new illegal children per year from these illegal people. host: i'm going to stop you there. let me go back to two of his points. first the number. it is not 11 million, reaffirming another caller who said it could be as high as 30 million. tost: when he was getting up 30 million, he was counting children born to illegal immigrants but born in the united states. those people are citizens by virtue of being born here. they would not add to the number of illegals. the number is an estimate. it comes from the census department and is backed up by surveys through groups like the pew hispanic center.

i cannot vouch for the methodology behind it, but it is a commonly accepted number. host: he made a point about benefits for these illegals. what do they get and want don't they get -- and what don't they get? guest: there is this common notion these people would be able to qualify for the affordable care act. that is not true. they are not legal citizens. they do not qualify for the affordable care act. host: in this headline from the hill.com -- what specifically are either acute hearing about -- either of you hearing on border security? guest: it is not sure exactly which issues are going to be moving. there are some people who do want to move legislation and border security is one of the first things they want to do. how that will stack up against those who want a budget

shutdown, that's the central tension. showdown,s a budget moving on that legislation would not even be possible. host: our guests are francine kiefer of the "christian science zitner of thearon wall street journal." journal."ll street caller: i have a couple of comments and questions. 3012, which was very bipartisan, like 167 votes from the democrats and then went to die on harry reid's desk. we hear the bipartisan mantra that if something, for reasons unknown to man is forced by a democrat and republican and is somehow good -- this senate bill had their team or 14 republican senators vote

for it. this is the new gold entered, it seems. i don't remember hearing much of the talk of why this isn't going up for the senate vote. but then again, you don't hear much of anything about every read about -- about harry reid's of structuring of our government. h --arry -- harry reid's obstruction of our government. a couple of weeks ago you had someone calling in and use the "n" word in regards to president obama. have you now increased the delay? we appreciate you taking my call. host: no changes. when we get calls like that, we immediately want to first apologize. this is a public discourse. if you cross the line, we are

going to hang up on you and we don't let you call back again. we are glad to hear your comments. we would like to respond. guest: i'm not familiar with the piece of legislation that he mentioned. the house passed a lot of things that the senate did not take up. i'm sure when the house passed them, they knew that the senate was not going to take them up. pass both chambers of congress to get to the president's desk. you can discern pretty quickly what will get there. a lot are passed for messaging purposes. host: either of you could respond to this. "in buffalo during the 1940's, all schools have evening classes for german immigrants. the country just dealt with the influx then." is this any different from what we dealt with in the past? guest: numbers wise, i think it is quite a bit archer.

that makes a big difference. larger. quite a bit that makes a big difference. we will go to the democrats line. caller: insight president obama is doing this more strategically politically. look at the election with mitt romney. he lost badly. one of the things they wanted to correct, the republican party, was that they had lost a lot of the latino votes. when you had that eric cantor, he lost his election to kind of an independent. i think what that did was it hold the republican party -- it

the republican party farther to the right. the mainstream conservatives got elected, but i think in order to get elected -- people got nervous from eric cantor losing, so they went to the right as a majority. i think obama is doing it strategically to point that out. now when he comes up with this says i wantder, he you guys to come up with a bill. host: thanks for the call. this go back to where we will began our conversation. the politics that speaker boehner and mcconnell are dealing with within their own caucus. guest: there is not a lot of appetite to take steps to legalize illegal immigrants within their caucus. the business community wanted that bill.

that bill had provisions for high-tech industries, farmworkers. provisions of the bill were negotiated separately, to the side of congress by the afl-cio and the chamber of commerce. business bought into this. business is a big funder of the republican party. the chamber of commerce helped build this republican majority. -- thist this in pas thing passed. it all goes back to what happened in the last presidential election. republicans got 20% of the minority vote. the minority vote each year except by about -- you cannot be at odds with an ascendant part of the electorate. host: we began by talking about hillary clinton, who tweeted this on reddit on the image --

this on friday on the issue of immigration. potus for taking action on immigration in the face of inaction. now let's turn to permanent bipartisan reform." how likely is that? guest: i think this has made permanent reform unlikely. republicans are so incensed about this move. i don't think they are in any mood to deal. there are some who would like to deal, people like john mccain eventually or lindsey graham in the senate. mccain was talking to reporters before the end of the week last week and he said, a, he doesn't think that anything would happen he sayster, and b, whatever happens has to start in the house. at senate has taken its shot this. if you're looking for the house to start, good luck for that. that's where the division is strongest. host: people have been looking

at past president and the use of -- past presidents and the use of executive orders. holmesme -- eleanor norton tweeted out that people forget that the emancipation proclamation was an executive order. guest: it is technically not white the same. every president in the last half-century, republican and democrat, has done something in this space. under president george h w bush, he legalized 1.5 million illegal immigrants or at least allowed 1.5 million additional immigrants to come in absent explicit congressional approval. what's happening here is different in scope him a larger, and -- scope, larger, and different in political impact.

by not acting, congress made a decision. the president is going there right afterwards, much larger than any prior president. carried onprogram is c-span radio. 90.1lcome our listeners on here in washington, d.c. we have the "christian science monitor" and "wall street journal" represented. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i'm talking about immigration. utah, who speaks spanish, who has a lot of amigos, i have to inform him to read about what a latin is. it's five countries in europe that are latin, not the people

of south america. i'm one of them. i was born in spain. i am latin. the french are latin. the italians are latin. the portuguese are latin. and the romanians are latin. so, that's a lesson. now about the jobs that so-called latins have taken. how about nobody is talking about the companies who send the jobs overseas. if we had them here, we did not have any problems. i have two granddaughters. one will have to pay $600 a month or more in her student loans. she doesn't have a job. she is well-educated. year.cond one is next we don't know how much it's going to be.

my daughter is a single mother, year. $8,000 per the jobs are overseas. i'm sorry to interrupt. to call others this and that. but the 30 million or 50 million that are here -- don't tell me all of them are from south of the border. host: a couple of points. not really a question. do you want to respond to the sentiment? guest: there's a question on the table about immigration. which is more true? are immigrants taking jobs that other natural americans want and are they displacing american workers? or are they taking jobs that american workers don't want? businesses will tell you they are largely taking businesses --

taking jobs that they cannot fill through other means. low-wage jobs and high skill jobs for which there aren't enough trained americans. americans do want these jobs. in a broader environment, where there is still economic and zaidi pretty deeply, immigrants are a point of tension -- pretty deeply,y immigrants are a point of tension. guest: i can point out the people who could be troublemakers am a steve king, who wants to have a budget showdown on this. on the senate side, senator sessions from alabama, who also wants a budget showdown -- i think the key players are the leaders. senator mcconnell has promised action, but he wants to prove that republicans can govern. how much can he bring discipline to his own caucus on this in the

senate? , who hasame to boehner a more difficult problem leading on this issue, i would think. past thatven in the he cannot make this caucus do something that they don't want to do. he has often said if no one is following you, you are just a guy out going for a walk. i think that is much more problematic in the house. watch mitch mcconnell. he's determined to show that republicans can govern. host: we will go to mario in new jersey. the democrats line. with francine kiefer, "christian science monitor," and aaron zitner "wall street journal." caller: i would like to talk about the revisionist history going on here. everybody is saying obama didn't you any in the first -- didn't do anything in the first term. he passed the dream act. it wasn't passed by republicans.

if they couldn't get the dream act, how were they going to get comprehensive immigration reform? during the senate negotiations, republicans asked obama not to be involved. after it passed, he did stump for it, he negotiated with boehner for nine months, and boehner could not move his caucus. they could not move on the undocumented workers that are here now. the other point is, everybody seems to be missing net migration in this country is zero. there are more people leaving than are coming. that seems to be a big part of it. also, mr. zitner mentioned that george h.w. bush was in a different circumstance. actually, he wasn't. the senate passed the legislation that he wanted to do, but the house failed to act, exactly the same situation obama is in now. he took executive action without the house passing legislation. host: thank you for the call.

guest: that's a fair rendition of the legislative history as i understand it. president didn't get the legislation. it was the precipitating event to what we saw this week, by taking the dream act that did not pass and putting it into effect through executive action. host: the speech the president gave on friday in las vegas. there was a key strategy behind delivering his remarks out there. guest: the highest latino population in the country, lots of potential votes to be had. host: potential swing votes in 2016. harry reid says he is running for another term in 2016. here is the president on friday. [video clip] caller: a lot of -- >> a lot of people focus on the latino community, but the truth is that they're not just --

[indistinct chanting] spanish] si, se puede! >> but the truth is -- [shouting] the -- that's right, not everybody will qualify under this provision. that's the truth. that's the truth. that's why we are still going to have to pass a bill. that's why we are going to have to pass a bill. [applause] so, let this -- and what i'm saying is, we are still going to have to pass a bill. this is a first step, it is not the only step. we are still going to have to do more work. so, let's --

i've heard you. i've heard you, young man. but what i'm saying is, this is just the first step. i'm talking to a lot of people here. i've been respectful to you. i want you to be respectful to me. ok. from dale's mill high school in las vegas, the president's comments =-- dales ville high school in las vegas, the president's comments on friday. caller: i finally got on after six months. i hope you won't cut me off. i would like to make a few comments. i don't know if a lot of american people realize the disgrace on the border. the mexicans are good, hard workers. i give them credit for that. they do show up for work. one thing people don't realize, i get so tired of hearing about low income, low adding jobs --

low-paying jobs. for every dollar they make the united states, that is $13.61 in their country. they are making $98 per hour. now that this bill has gone through or he has allowed them to stay, if i'm not mistaken, they will be able to get earned income credit, because they will be filing taxes. some of them will still be getting food stamps. host: is she correct? guest: i think she is about the earned income credit. there are certain tax benefits. host: continue, judy. caller: ok. they are hard workers. there are a lot of americans who sit on their butts and collect food stamps, eat popcorn and potato chips and don't work. they do show up for work. they are there.

they are hard workers. i think we should do what reagan did when he was governor of california. it doesn't matter if you are an american citizen or not. if you're collecting money from the government, you get a job doing something to get that money earned. i also feel that obama said at the convention in vegas about washing the car and the dog -- i don't think he said that to boehner. give me a break. that's disrespectful. i think the pettiness needs to stop. i don't think when people are running for office there should be a d or are in front of their in front of their name. people should run for the person. host: how would you respond? guest: the last point she made, the pettiness between these leaders, i think americans just want the problem solved, just as the caller said. if there is a government shutdown, that will just infuriate the american public is my sense.

americans are not wild about the affordable care act. they are even more unhappy when the government cannot all the problem. case.t this particular polls show that more americans are opposed to the president doing an executive action of this sort than are against -- than are for it. even though they like the content of what he's doing, they don't like the way he's doing it . but if there is a government shutdown about this, they will be even more unhappy about that. they may not like what is being done, but if there is a big brouhaha, they will be even more unhappy about that. please just solve this. that's what americans want. host: from maryland, bonnie is on the phone for the republican line. caller: my question is, then i have a comment, what is going to happen when companies are required, which they are, that's

what he's saying, to hire these five ilium? if they don't hire them, what's going to be the ramification? if these people don't find jobs, then what is he going to do? take to the pen again and pardon all of them is to mark before he leaves office, he is going to pardon these 5 million people. i guarantee it. and it is just -- i can remember years ago, when we did have -- when we had it with the blacks. i have run a company, construction. we already had a black guy and the mexican working there. they would come on the job to make sure that we had a black person working there. the aclu did it. the naacp. now what are they going to do? send somebody to each company to make sure that these 5 million

people are working? they are getting benefits. they are lying. host: required? guest: no requirement. these people are already in the country. they are already here and most of them are already working. this action will allow them to have -- the term is a lawful presence in the country and to have working papers so they can work legally. host: is any company required to hire these illegals? not: not that i -- guest: that i hear of. businesses want to hire them. in addition to legalizing the folks we have been talking about, the president's action allows entrepreneurs, who can show the ability to start companies, the ability to come into the country. several tens of thousands of people will come in in the higher skilled sector as entrepreneurs. it has provisions for students

who are here from abroad, who are getting technical and scientific degrees and want to stay in the country to work in technical jobs. these are provisions that businesses have been fighting for on the high-end. we know that foreign groups have been fighting for more workers on the low end. it's not that businesses have to hire workers, if that they want to. -- it is that they want to. host: have any republicans articulated up -- a coherent strategy of how you would deport the current 11 million in the country illegally? self: the famous one is deportation, making it so uncomfortable that illegal immigrants actually go back home , which has happened to a degree during the great recession. the coherent strategy to actually get them all to leave -- the only one i can think of .s either if i -- is e-verify

it would make it mandatory for businesses to use the government system that shows whether somebody is here illegally or not. right now, that is a voluntary requirement. host: jerry from georgia on the democrats line. caller: i just wanted to say, i live in an area where it is -- many immigrants were brought in to work in the carpet industry. the democrats always have to come in and clean up the mess that republicans made. once they have the workers here and use them, they have no humanity towards them. they don't care whether they get educated. they don't care whether they have health care. it is just not right. went to a thanksgiving celebration at the episcopal church here. we had those children that walked across the border, and i don't see how anybody could be frustrated with that. host: thank you for the comment. that thewould say

caller is saying something you would hear from the white house, that it is acting partly because there is an urgent humanitarian needs year. these people are in the country. they need to be part of society if they are going to live here, and further, there are many latino families, where some members are here legally and some are here illegally. as long as they have deportation threats hanging over them, you have the prospect of writing up families. theanic groups are saying president is breaking up families by aggressively deporting people already. this removes the threat of breaking up families, where you have legal children and a legal parents. -- and illegal parents. host: many look at the anniversary of the voting rights act as a key part of the democratic coalition in the last half-century. will this be part of the coalition moving forward? guest: in many ways, yes. time, if white voters, particularly working feel whites continue to

resentment and field competition from immigrants, they will turn increasingly away from the democratic already. it could in some ways build the democratic coalition and in some ways undermine parts of it. host: let's go to washington. good morning to you. >> good morning. thank you. i have --caller: good morning. and a question. i see that the president decision was calculated. i think it was a counter to the gerrymandering and the systematic voter disenfranchisement being done in our country. it's the only way the democrats can try to counterbalance that. my question is, when you listen to republicans talk, they all of a likelch out robots, the same point. their primary concern is border security. my question is what does a secure border look like, how

many decades and billions of dollars will it take to realize it and how will we know when it is actually secure? host: thanks for those comments and questions. how will we know it is secure? i'm not even sure that is answerable. republicans care about border security, but one of the things that isn't mentioned very often is internal enforcement of the laws. while the president has been able to point to more resources on the border than ever, it goes up every year. we now spend more on border security than ever before. he can point to record numbers of deportations. what has been happening in the interior of the country is a reduction in enforcement. that has republicans very upset. host: has the president was and the wealth -- has the president poisoned the well? guest: yes, i think he has.

guest: i think that is up for question. john boehner did not just mean he would act to defund the president's action. i think he was suggesting we look forward to move forward in an affirmative way -- we will look to move forward in an affirmative way on immigration. host: final western, both of you. both of you.tion, what can we expect the first two weeks of december? guest: there will be much more intense discussion about this. you will see it come to a head right away in the budget process. we are covering the federal budget only through december 11. decisions could be made on whether the budget goes through the rest of the fiscal year or just do a short-term budget to take us into the early winter. if there is a short-term budget, which a lot of the strong conservatives would like to see conservatives

would like to see, it gives the republicans more leverage to try to force the president's hand on immigration. host: francine kiefer, who covers capitol hill for the "christian science monitor." and aaron zitner of "wall street journal." thank you for being with us. have a nice thanks giving. -- thanksgiving. guest: sent to you. -- same to you. host: we are going to take a break. patrick clawson will join us from the washington institute for near east policy on negotiations on iran's nuclear capability. later, we will open up the phone lines for your calls and comments. you're watching and listening to this -- to "washington journal" on this sunday morning, november 23. >> join us today for live coverage of the miami book fair

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attend the groundbreaking of the new diplomacy center in washington with former secretaries of state and supreme court justices. that is this week on c-span. for our complete schedule, go to c-span.org. >> "washington journal" continues. host: we would like to welcome patrick lawson, research director -- patrick clawson, reacher's director -- research director. negotiations on iran continue, led by secretary kerry. tomorrow is the deadline. what is the u.s. negotiating for? guest: united states and other countries negotiating with iran want to be creating a breakout period that would put iran at least a year away from having a new year weapon. -- a nuclear weapon. they want to be sure that iran's

vigorous, robust nuclear program keeps iran at least a year away from having a new year -- having a nuclear weapon. host: how likely is it that the deadline will be met? guest: it is possible, but not likely, that there will be some kind of framework, declaration of principles, that would allow the parties to have six months to work out an agreement. there is no way that a detailed crude -- treaty will be prepared by tomorrow's deadline. the: this is the story on front page of "the new york times." the story points out that the concern over the possibility of a future iranian covert program is really dividing the u.s. and its allies, including china, negotiating on all of this, saying it has been rarely mentioned by negotiators. they are pressing a last-minute effort to resolve more immediate differences. the biggest disagreement centers

on how much capacity iran could retain to make nuclear fuel and how quickly economic sanctions would be suspended. the efforts focus on the fate of iran's three major declared nuclear facilities and online thinning the breakout time for iran to produce enough fuel for a single bomb. but those declared facilities are crawling with inspectors and cameras. iran says they need this nuclear capability for energy, not weapons. itst: for iran to argue what has is for energy is a little bit odd. they claim that they are starting to make feel now for a reactor -- make fuel now for a reactor they will design and build in the future, but they haven't even begun building a reactor. that reactor would take at least a decade to build. this program smells a lot more like what is doing is giving

iran the capability to develop nuclear weapons. it has repeatedly been said that a bad deal means no deal for the u.s. and that p5 one.one -- and the p5 plus guest: the u.s. has to consider how other countries around the world react. if other countries like saudi arabia think this bad deal puts iran to close to a nuclear weapon, they might decide to develop their own nuclear weapons or acquire them from another country, such as pakistan. that would be very destabilizing to the region and contrary to u.s. interests. the u.s. knows that doing a bad deal would not accomplish the u.s. objective of increasing the stability in the region. quite the contrary, a bad deal could destabilize the region badly. host: the jerusalem post reporting that this may corner israel into war. this is what the story looks like from the jerusalem post

website. benjamin netanyahu wants the continuation of tight sanctions on iran's economy, coupled with the threat of credible military force. he believes more time under duress would have led to an acceptable deal, but that opportunity may now be lost. guest: beat a deal is worked out, it will still be necessary to have -- if a deal is worked out, it will still be necessary to have a credible threat of military force. we are still going to be in a situation where a credible threat of oteri force will be necessary as -- of military force will be necessary. i think it is unlikely that israel is going to act, so long as there is some reasonable prospect that a negotiated settlement could be worked out, which would publish the american objective of what he iran at least a year away from having even the fissile material for a bomb and therefore further away from having a bomb.

>> yesterday, the secretary of yesterday, the secretary of state was overheard speaking to his german counterpart, saying we are just not there yet. here is what he said to reporters on saturday. [video clip] >> we have been having a difficult -- having difficult talks here. we are working hard. carefulwe are making progress. have some serious gaps, which we are working to close. onebig thing is the p5 plus are united and working in concert. we are simply not going to say anything substanve about the discussions while they are going on. a lot of serious work is going on by a lot of people. host: if you could speculate on what is being talked about

today, right now in vienna, what are the sticking points? guest: the two sides have had so many technical discussions that they have laid out. here, asa rubik's cube ,ow deputy secretary of state who is leading the negotiations, would say. there are a number of issues that are interrelated in how any solution requires putting together this -- there is the number of centrifuges, how advanced they could be, how much muchiran retains, or how it ships out of the country to have made into fuel rods, which are much harder to make into a bomb, how many places iran will have centrifuges operating, whether it will be just one or two, and a lot about the

verification. the u.s. concern is particularly that iran might have some undeclared facilities. for most of the last 25 years, iran has had undeclared facilities. the u.s. wants to get to the bottom of what iran has done in the past as a way of trying to determine if iran still has undeclared facilities. all of these different elements have to be put together in this rubik's cube. host: "the new york times" is oforting that iran's history secrecy has been overshadowing the stalks. there is a mountain that has a centrifuge facility. it could withstand all but america's largest bunker bombs. it was uncovered back in 2009. guest: indeed, iran has this facility that was discovered, negotiations had been underway for a number of

years. the iranians had been saying they had stopped all work on their centrifuge program for a while, when in fact they were building this facility, i think to hold more centrifuges. what that suggests is that the iranians may creatively to allow them to do things which we find to be violations, and which they will come up with lawyerly arguments were ok. host: what's your best guess estimate question mark guest: the most -- best guess estimate? guest: the most likely situation is the talks are extended for several months. the best case would be there is an extension based on principles. that is not the most likely case. host: our guest is patrick clawson, with the washington institute for near east policy. (202) 585-3880, our line for

democrats. (202) 585-3881 for republicans. this program is carried live on the bbc parliament channel. we welcome our viewers around the world, including those in great britain every sunday morning. debbie is joining us from albuquerque, new mexico, independent line. caller: i have a comment and question. please allow me to do this. we overthrew the government in '53. this is blowback. i remember when we put the sanctions on. my disappointment was the fact that we don't get -- don't get pistachios. nobody under 40 knows what a real pistachio tastes like. if the sanctions are lifted, can we get pistachios back in this country? guest: the california pistachio growers will take exception with your argument that there

pistachios are not as good as the iranian pistachios. let me reassure you that if the sanctions are ended, we will be getting pistachios back. that would particularly make the former president happy. that family pretty well controls the pistachio trade in iran. host: let's go to virginia. good morning. caller: i'm a vet. after the 1986 amnesty, i'm hard-core on this. if you came through to my country after 1986, whatever your status is, you need to turn around and go back. this compassion and refugee status -- host: you not focusing on immigration. we are dealing with the situation in vienna as -- we are not focusing on immigration. we are dealing with the situation in vienna as negotiations continue. caller: i must have missed the transition. i thought you are still on the last section. the iran thing -- i have a son who has served

twice in the middle east. as long as their focus on killing each other, it leads to another world war three. so be it. we should not send our sons and daughters around the world to stamp out little fires around the world. it is their backyard. they need to learn how to handle it. it's the 21st century. host: russia and china are part of the stalks. this morning, -- of these talks. this morning -- ..

world. >> p5 plus one, the countries include the u.s., china, france, russia, the united kingdom and germany. jonathan is joining us from manchester, england. good afternoon to you. >> hi. caller: why are nuclear powers seen as a country's ability of strength? because it's absolutely no good for humanity. shoourlt it would be far better for a country to show strength and improvement for humanity if they developed space rockets and re explored the universe. >> would be a far better sight host: we will get a response. thank you, sir. >> guest: when the non-proliferation treaty was signed, the nuclear powers of

the day committed themselves to eventually getting rid of nuclear weapons but that's devilishly difficult to do. once they have been invented it's hard to reinvents them. but the heart of the non-proliferation treaty was the realization if they developed them, so might their neighbors and everybody would be worse off. so the agreement was additional countries would not develop these nuclear weapons. this has worked relatively well. there are four countries that stayed out of it that is india, pakistan, north korea and israel. pretty much everybody else has signed on. iran is such a disturbing case because it's the first time we have had a country that's in the non-proliferation treaty that seems to be intent on the making nuclear weapons. >> there was a tweet from the iranian president, rohani who sounded, according to one of "the washington post" one of the

few notes of optimism. he said if the parties in the iran talks have the necessary political will for agreement, the condition will be ripe for clenching a final agreement. does that indicate to you that there could be an extension of talks? >> mr. rhouhani has been an optimist when he was in charge of the negotiations a decade ago and by personality type today. he is right that the technical issues have been fully aired. unfortunately, however, the gap between the position of the two sides remains quite vast. host: if the talks completelies, then what? >> guest: it's unlikely they would collapse completely because the two sides realized that would create a dangerous situation. he would create a situation in which iran might feel compelled to move forward quickly and the situation of those who feel most threatened by the program,

namely theisitsis may feel this is a moment when they have to act et host: david from los angeles, independent line, good morning. caller: this is, i think, apro pos that i come in with israel might be willing to act. this wag the dog phenomenon with american policy and working and operating as though israel is one of the states of the united states, their foreign policy is their foreign policy. and they, as a matter of fact, are the only country that has not only literally threatened every country in the region. they are the only country that has nuclear capability. to have people who are obviously a part of some kind ofs misinformation campaign that always seems to have israel's

foreign objectives pushing that, even at the expense of americans. >> we will get a response, david. >> well, the u.s. interests in the iran nuclear issue is the concern about proliferation to these weapons to many countries around the world. and that's an issue that president obama has been involved in for decades. he wants to see the world move away from the reliance on nuclear weapons. he certainly did not want to see the non-proliferation system fall apart on his watch. the israeli concerns are quite different as the caller pointed out. israeli concerns are iran's particular nuclear program. it's not been the focus of the american concerns. american concerns have been about proliferation. there has been some tension 2010 the two governments on their objectives. similarly, by the way, the saudi objective is also somewhat different than the objective.

saudis want to stops iran's destabilizing activities and see the nuclear activities as one example of that. >> a follow-up of that, trending on our twitter page from viewers and listeners on the issue of nuclear weapons pointing out to the u.s., it's particularly interesting concerning the fact that we, the u.s., the only nation that has used nuclear weapons on another nation. >> guest: look, there is no question that the non-proliferation system faces a very difficult problem, which is that some countries already had nuclear weapons. and it's hard to reduce reliance on nuclear weapons on countries that already have it. we have had some successes. a number of countries like the ukraine, south africa, gave up nuclear weapons. but the united states has agreed to reduce the number it has. what everyone thinks about how we can move forward to its

reducing the role of nuclear weapons in the world, surely that problem is going to be made worse if there is another nuclear weapon state that comes from within the non-proliferation system, namely iran. >> we have been following this story and these negotiations. we have been checking in from time to time with thomas erdbrink with the "new york times." he is live on the phone from tehran. thanks as always for being with us. caller: thanks for having me. host: let me ask you first and foremost about the sanctions. what impact have they had on iran's economy? >> on a micro economic scale, great impact. they halt iran's ability to sell its oil, its primary source of income. >> led to the near collapse of iran's national currency, the real. at a time haslet led to an increase in unemployment, inflation, generally growth of

inequality with figures being almost the same as in the united states. so generally, people would very, very much like to see these sanctions being lifted, of course. >> and the story this morning front page from the "new york times" is the talks continue. one of the big issues is iran's covert operations b it comes to its nuclear capacity. how real is that? >> i think it's hard for the iranians at this point in time very large-scale covert operations or sort of a parallel nuclear program because people tend to forget that the international atomic energy organization has been here monitoring all sides. their monitors are here on a permanent basis accounts, and they have cameras in all facilities and at the same time, the united states has been using drones in order to sort of sniff

around over the iranian skies to see what is happening. there is focus on iran. even though this is a vast country with desert and mountains and a lot of spaces to c conceal a potential covert program, it is quite hard for the iranians in this time and age to do that completely unnoticed. >> thomas erdbrink, i know it's a complex issue but could you summarize basically what is being negotiated and what it means for iran and its economy and what the u.s. and israel gets out of this deal, if anything? >> naturally, what the u.s. and european nations are trying to achieve is to sort of normal eyes, if you will, relations with iran, also to this nuclear deal, they have been looking at mr. rhouhani's policies of as he

says, are inspired by moderation and beyond the nuclear case, they see an opportunity to sort of bring iran out of the fold and it may be see if the iran of the future can play a much more constructive role that it has been playing under hard liners such asthmahmoud ahmadinejad an other things. it's hard to see whisrael gets t of this but the u.s. allies in the region, saudi arabia, the gulf states, they are nervous over the prospects of a major deal with the iranians because it would, no matter how you look at it, sort of upset the power equations or the status quo in the region. at the time when we see the islamic state has gotten a lot of support from certain version gulf countries such as qatar and saudi arabia, many suspect.

so the idea of the rainians gaining power, it's scary for many people. i guess what the obama administration is trying to get out of this is, yeah, maybe a sort of -- yeah, to, you know, to sort of solve this problem that has been going on for the past 10 years in order to try and, as i said, bring iran back into the fold. as you say, it is hard to sort of give an overall summary of all of theents that took place over the past 10, almost 11 years. >> two final questions and first ten to patrick clausen in washington institute for near east policy. >> well, sir, i wish i shared mr. erdbrik's optimism about the ability to find undeclared facilities because at the time when the ieai were most intrusive was in 2003 and 2005

and that's precisely the time they list the forgo facility. it was not discovered until this huge facility had been understand construction for a number of years. so that suggests that as mr mr. erdbrink said, iran is a very big country. it's got tunnels built all over the place. so that's why the focus on getting verification and figuring out what iran had in the past so you can tell what it might be doing now is so important for these negotiations. >> thomas, did you want to respond to that? >> well, you know, mr. clausen is a well-known proponent and critic of the islamic republic and has every right to be so. he has every right to the distrust the islamic republic and in no way am i defending them because their level of --

well, their history of the nuclear program is clear for all to see but we must also try and see why these -- the past 10 years has led to such a debate and saveningz. iran is a country that had a revolution, whether we like it or not that finds itself very long in the world -- very alone in the world and is rather hell-benefit, intent on being independent so when they feel that foreign powers are pushing into a certain direction because they have potentially tunnels or potentially other sites, they will lash out. so what the obama administration, i guess, is trying to do. i can in no way speak for them to find some sort of conclusion to make sure iran doesn't move toward a nuclear program that is weaponized but at the same time as the obama administration also is agreeing

to is allowing iran to have a sort of well controlled nuclear program. how it plays out in the details, we will see, and it's very, very likely that there will be no deal all and we will see a different situation emerging. >> from your vantage point in tehran, what do you think is going to happen? >> i think that because of my experience of living here and seeing the influence of power of iran's hard liners from very up close, i have a very different perspective from those people who are now in vienna or from those people who are supporters of the deal. it is very hard to talk to iran because you will always be talking to, sort of, two different nations on one hand, the friendly smiles of mr mr. rhouhani and mr. zarif but we have hard liners who i saw this morning gathering and shouting "death to america." these two realities exist here

and make it very hard to make a deal with iran. his work is available online at ny times.com. appreciate you joining us on this sunday. >> thanks for having me. a great sunday. >> let's go back to your phone calls on the issue of the negotiations that continues today in vienna. linda, charlotte, north carolina, iran line with patrick clausen with the washington institute for near east policy. good morning. caller: yes, i think mr. erdowa said the correct thing: which iran are you dealing with? i think there should absolutely be no deal and carry and obama have proven kerry and obama couldn't neck on or about ate themselves through an open door if they had to. so, i hope the senate will have a word in this,

and i think there should be absolutely no deal on this. reagan proved years ago that the only thing these people understand is power. and i would even be behind sending special ops into iran to blow up whatever it is that's probably hiding in these tunnels host: get a response. >> guest: it's a real challenge dealing with iran precisely because the supreme leader, who is the man who ultimately calls the shots is not the somebody we can talk to. we ends up talking to people who will smile at us but don't necessarily have that much power. hooechl web put together a deal that fits iran's interests and our interests. the basic parameter is if iran agrees to be quite a ways away, we agree to let iran have quite

an advanced nuclear program. and as long as that program is open, transparent, subject to verification, this is a deal that might be in both sides' interests. it's not easy to do. frankly, so far over the last decade we in the west have been out next on or aboutated by iran which 10 years ago would never have agreed to the kind of conditions we are insisting upon and since then, we have modified our op, what we have been demanding from iran continuously over the last decade. >> from columbus, ohio, next caller is andre, independent line caller: thanks for taking my call. i have a question and a comment. comment first. what i notice is that this country, iran, even though there is alternates of hysteria regarding its ability to harm, you know, its neighbors and, also, us, it's never incaged in any incushions covert separations such as asass in

case such as their neighbor, israel. what i notice on this history is that this country, israel, it getst it's modis operandi and objectives just done unequivocally across the board with the help of the members of apac and our congress. it passes deals as it to this country. second, my question is: if has the iaea ever done an inspection of the amount of nuclear weapons in israel? this country has 250 weapons. it bombs its neighbors quite often. it also engages in covert operations in which one, a couple of years ago had actually killed scientists, some scientists in the state of iran which is a sovereign nation. >> we will get a response. >> guest: i think the griefing families of several hundred dead

soldiers would agree with -- disagree with that and certainly the 200,000 dead in syria, many of them killed by these malitias that have been trained, equipped, armed and financed by iran would disagree and say iran has been so peaceful. >> that's not even speak being what iran has done to destabilize lebanon or to sponsor terrorist attacks in israel. iran has a history of, at best, shall we say, meld ling in neighbor's affairs. and that's one of the reasons why so many of its neighbors like saudi arabia, united arab emirates, u quite as well as israel are worried about what iran might do. and certainly it is true,is is one of the 9 countries around the world that has nuclear weapons, and those who would like to see us reduce the role

of nuclear weapons have figured out a way to persuade those countries to move away from their reliance on nuclear weapons. >> let me follow up on that point. secretary of state john kerry was asked about that when he was in paris before heading to the weekend negotiations that are continuing today. here is the secretary of state. >> political one can envision an agreement that is fair but it still will require difficult choices. i i have said this before. i will say it again. iran has continued to state has no interest in obtaining a nuclear weapon. ultimately, if you want to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that your program is a peaceful 1, that is not from a technical perspective very hard to do. we have our european and p5 plus 1 partners, working to secure an

agreement that accomplishes that goal, and in the days ahead, we are going to try to work very, very hard to see if we can close the gaps and get to where we need to be. i would emphasize both sides are taking this process seriously, and both sides are trying to find a common ground. >> doesn't mean we agree on everything. there are oh, my goodness gaps. but it does mean we have discussed in detail the full range of relevant issues that have to be part of the durable and comprehensive agreement, including infrastructure, stock piles, research, equipment, timing, and sequencing. and i would also emphasize that we all know our principles in this process. and our principles as a group are rock solid. as we have said every single

step of this process, an agreement like the one we are seeking is not built on trust as much as anybody might like it to be. it is built on verification. no member of the p 5 plus 1 is prepared to or can accept any arrangements that we cannot verify or make any promises that cannot be kept. >> comments of the secretary of state this past thursday before returning to vienna as we focus on iran and our conversation with patrick clausen of the washington institute for near east policy. james, new york, new jersey. thanks for waiting. caller: hi. thanks for taking my call. now, getting to the cause of this whole entire problem, i have been studying it for many, many years.

my daughter is half palestinian. she is 43 years old. over the years. it's been a hor inlandous letdown. people have been taking notes. we have put saddam hussein, in '78, as president of iraq. cia put saddam as president in iraq in '78. he raise truck driver oil prices $48 a barely before the gulf war as a sign of protest to what was in israel and palestine. this whole thing is focus did around what's happening in israel and palestine. personally, i am upset because

the west bank, 5,000 homes was built on the west bank. i am not saying gaza because gaza, hamas, they deserve what they got. host: let me stop you there. it was related to everything we are talking about. we could spend an hour on that point in and of itself. let me give our guest a chance to respond. >> guest: one of the things that greatly upsets many arabs at the moment is the extent to which iran's activities are not being given the same attentiande west as other problems. the you fundamental realties, five times as many have been killed in all of the israeli-arab wars rarely penetrates our consciousness. it's intensely felt throughout the arab countries that this is the product of iranian medaling.

exaggerate iran's role. it's not the only factor but certainly in the region the anger about iran's activities is one of the major factors that's fueling the tension about hoy these nuclear negotiations are going host: could you discuss sequencing which kerry mentioned during his remarks in paris? >> guest: there will have to be evidence that they are following through before the u.s. will lift economic sanctions or suspend economic sanctions especially given that the previous agreement with iran with the europeans in 2003 fell apart so quickly. the united states isn't going to agree to lift sanctions until there is a commitment by iran, but then follow through by iran.

so the united states might suspend some sanctions after the commitment but it won't lift safrnz until iran is demonstrating it's following through host: wendell on the democrats line. good morning caller: a quick comment question. it is a well-known fact it is stated that the cornerstone of american foreign policy is the protection of israel. with iran, president obama, early on his administration labeled as anti-semitic because he said i must do what's in the best interest of america first. now, i believe that iran should have a nuclear weapon because we want peace in the middle east and he says the middle east would be based upon detante and the last thing is, i understand that prime minister benjamin netanyahu says if he doesn't get what he wants out of this, it's going to come to america, go around america and get the ruts he wants host: we will get a response.

the >> guest: if they were, unfortunately so might a number of other countries, saudi arabia, egypt, turkey. once that starts, there are many other countries which might want to rethink their nuclear options. japan, brazil and south africa are on the record as saying maybe their countries should have nuclear weapons. i don't think we would live in a safer world if there are 20 countries around the world with nuclear weapons. so this control of the proliferation of nuclear weapons is very much in the u.s. interest. >> that's what's driven the concern. host: has the u.s. filled it's npt such as to give clean hands authority to enforce compliance from other stations in >> guest: the united states can point to some positive things it has done about reducing the number of nuclear weapons, but

there is further to go. there is no question that the united states has much more to do on the path of reducing the role of nuclear weapons in the world and that's something that's been very near and dear to president obama's heart. >> our last call from goose creek south carolina. dan is on the phone, independent line. good morning. caller: good morning, gentlemen. i had a response to mr mr. clausen's comment concerning how the family members of americans killed by bomb material provided by the iranians would disagree with that, but i would like, sir, to contend that the family members of the 32 naval servicemen that were killed by the state of israel on the uss liberty likewise would disagree with you tod . good day. >> guest: the liberty is an episode in 1967 in which the israel state and the u.s. government accepted was taken by

the israelis. some think israel was responsible for a deliberate attack on that ship. neither the israel nor the american governments agree. >> reuters this morning is reporting that the talks could be extended through march of next year. >> that's possible. there has been a debate in the administration whether to have a short-term extension or a lon r longer-term extension for as much as four, six months. it seemed unlikely that the talks can go on forever. there is not going to be like the israeli palestinian talks that have gone on for 20 years without a lot being done recently. another few months, that's definitely possible. >> summarize. we have been talking about so many different issues regarding these negotiations. what is the u.s. p5 plus 1? what are we trying to accomplish >> guest: we are trying to make sure iran is at least a we're away from having the fisile material that's necessary to mag

make a nuclear weapon and offering them the potential of having a considerable peaceful nuclear program as well as a considerable reduction in economic sanctions if they will agree to a verifiable gap before iran could have a nuclear weapon. >> if that were to happen, wouldis go along with it? >> guest: they would like to see iran not have theabilities all but they have indicated they could live with it but they would be unhappy. host: patrick clawson, thank you very much for stopping by this morning. we appreciate it. >> guest: thank you for having me. host: we want to hear from you. our phone lines will open up. it's your choice. open phones for the last 30 minutes of the "washington journal" begin dialling at 202-585-3880. >> that's our line for democrats and 202-585-38 what i 1 for republicans to. our viewers and listeners outside the u.s., here is the

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representative javier bacera, texas attorney general greg abbo abbott, the state's republican governor elect. south carolina republican senator lindsey graham, sherilyn eiffel, former republican senator rick santorum and cornell west, author and activist. he was arrested in ferguson missouri recently in the frosts. at 4:00 p.m. eastern at, it's "face the nation" with dick durbin, republican congressman mike mccall of texas and democratic representative luis guteares. and, cornell william brooks, president of the naacp. the sunday network t.v. talk shows are on c-span radio brought to you as a public service by the networks and c-span. the rebroadcasts of the shows begin at noon eastern with nbc's meet the press, "this week," "fox news sunday" 3:00 p.m.

state of the union and 4:00 p.m. eastern time, "face the nation" from c-span. listen to them all at 90.1 fm here in the wartdz area. across the country on xm satellite radio channel 120. download our free app for you're smart phone or go online to cspan.org. >> mr. president, the honeymoon is over. >> the honeymoon is over. >> that honeymoon period is over. he will no longer get what he wants just by being president. >> we are going to take the president head-on. the honeymoon is over [applause.] >> if this is one of those cliches you might say goes back at least decades. the whole notion of a quote, unquote honeymoon for a new presidential administration. i am saying this one goes about 80 years, probably to when f.d.r. took office, franklin

roosevelt and he had his 100 days. of course, he was working with an overwhelmingly democratic congress. it was a lot easier to push through his proposals and favored measures. there has been this notion when a new president takes office, they get a honeymoon. >> journalist david mark on the world of political terminology. tonight at 8:00 eastern and pacific on c-span's "q & a". >> washingt"washington journal" continues. we have about 25 minutes left on "the washington journal" we want to hear from you. we have open phones so you can tell us what is on your mind. the numbers will continue to be on the bottom of the screen. some news on this sunday morning first from the london telegram, earlier reports of an explosion that took place earlier today at the charaing cross station, a heavily traveled station in london. as many as 50 people on board of a plane. you can see some of the early photographs as the station has been evacuated as a fire broke out on one of the front trains in a sentence tral london

station. this is what it looks like courtesy of the tell graphic and early reports, no indication yet as to the cause of the fire and the explosions. from the washington post, a passing overnight of the 4-term mayor of washington, d.c. in and current city council member, marion berry, juniarry, junior three terms as mayor of d.c., survived a drug arrest and a jail sentence to win a fourth term as the city's chief executive. he was ame of the city council. he passed away this morning at the united medical center here in washington at the age of 78. no cause was given, but he has been suffering from a number of health problems including diabetes, prostate cancer and kidney ailments. marion berry served as a member of the d.c. council for 15 years, his personal and public life according to t"the washington post" fraught with high drama and irony. he struggled with alcohol and drug adirks, relapse and

recovery. he was married four times and his extramarital lees ay ons took place over his unpaid taxes. marion berry who died at the age of 78. he was here in washington, d.c. at the national press clubarry e of 78. he was here in washington, d.c. at the national press club. from june of this year, the entire interview available at cspan.org. let's watch. >> but you do admit that you weren't squeaky clean in the '80s, you admit to alcohol and drug use >> who was. >> and a couple of affairs. and so you do admit that. >> it wasn't hard to admit. it's the truth. i'm sorryous. >> that's the truth. you know, what happened to me those two years, that night and i went to the store. i should not have gone there. i should not have gone to that hotel. i should not have go upstairs. she might have been anywhere even though i am sure they would

have found some other way. but i am glad they found this way, which was safer than any other kind of way. i said earlier, i apologize for that. apologize to this community. in fact, if you talk about christianity, i am a strong, devout christian. the disciples asked jesus how many times would you forgive somebody? he said 70 times 70. so, i am not perfect. i admit my defaults -- my faults. i admit my mistakes. unless you do that, you just, as you recall on the streets, shucking and jiving. and so i want to find somebody who is perfect, anybody who -- exceptgies jesus, anybody who ain't made a mistake ain't done a damn thing. >> marion barry who passed away.

that was from june of this year. part of our book t.v. coverage. check it out online at cspan.org. david, open lines the. what's on your mind caller: i would like to comment on the executive order that obama signed there on immigrants there. right here in mount sterling, kentucky, in central kentucky here, they raise a lot of cattle, tobacco and stuff like that, farm country and i am originally from the southwest corner of virginia and pike county kentucky. you will not find no immigrant did up in that part of the country at all on account of its coal mining and stuff like that. but here is what i want to relate there. these people here in central kentucky and probably california and everybody has got i am grant

there, you know, they pay them under the table or the immigrants goes to their town and they get illegal social security secure /* security numbers, driver's license and all of that. and there is nothing that goes in to the social security fund f they ain't got no place to send it. >> okay. david, thanks for the comment. inside the washington post, u.s. expanding the scope of its presence in afghanistan and below that, the afghan commander is welcoming the u.s. assistance. we will go to bill in dewey, oklahoma. good morning. caller: good morning. how are y'all host: fine, thank you. caller: it's been interesting today. i just got a couple of comments about on the democrats and republicans in the senate. i got a suggestion to the democrats in the senate to do same thing republicans have done for the last six years the.

>> that's vote no on everything that comes on the table, filibuster every bill because that's what republicans have done. host: candy is next from minnesota. caller: steve, could you please have somebody on sometime to explain what our immigration law is? i have no idea what we are supposed to be enforcing. host: another segment tomorrow. dorothy myselfer was on friday caller: i don't mean the president's actions. i mean the actual immigration laws before he took action. host: right. she outlined that, as well. it's on our website if you want to check it out. we did devote a segment to that on friday caller: i missed that. thank you. host: front page of "the washington post," more on bill cosby, a lengthy story including new accusations from the former

playboy playmate. the headline is accusations recast in american cultural icon. read the story online at washington post.com. anthony is joining us from new mexico, independent line. good morning. >> good morning. thank you for having me. >> sure. >> i would like to make a nationwide announcement. i am putting my hat in, leaning forward, and wanting to run for president of the independent partin for 2016. >> what independent party, anthony? >> my platform is to reintroduce resource-based economy. and do doing away with the insanity of our monetary-based economy host: okay. joyce in ashland, kentucky. how are you? caller: i am calling in reference to iran and nuclear weapons.

you just cannot negotiate with a terrorist nor a terrorist nation. and kerry has become so obamanized that he can't see the forest for the trees. you just cannot negotiate and allow them, whether they are a year away, a year and a half away, to get nuclear weapons. host: we will go to bill of rush, kentucky. democrat lines open lines on this sunday morning caller: hello host: you are on the air. caller: good more than. i want to know why we continue to let the new york and them dump big barges of garbage into the ocean. host: that's your comment? >> it. caller: yeah. host: sean in sherman, texas. go ahead, you are on the air. caller: i would like to comment on the immigration policies in

the united states, the people in the know know it's not just a republican thing or a democratic thing. it seems like they want this country to become a third-world country, and there is basically nothing you can do about it other than just try to keep your family together and just keep a good attitude about it. but thank you for washington journal. it's a great show. you guys do a hell of a job. so thanks host: st. louis post dispatch reporting no announcement today from the st. louis county grand jury hearing the michael brown shooting case. a decision was widely expected over the weekend but the grand jury is still gathering informati information. there is another session tomorrow, protesters have been preparing to take to the streets if ferguson police officer darren wilson is not charged with the fatal shooting of michael brown, who was 18 at the time. whatever the grand jury decides, how its members arrived at their decision and the votes for, the votes against the indictment will remain secret by law.

in fact, en the prosecuting attorney won't be privy to the details about the deliberations. >> story this morning from the scat st. louis post-dispatch" bill joining us from buzzard bay, massachusetts. republican line caller: i think we have every bill in the country covered this morning. >>host: i know. a lot calling this morning. a lot of callers from south carolina, too. good morning. caller: good pomorning. my call is regarding term limits and a possible suggestion. it needs to be expanded. we have two years. and the suggestion is that we get some type of program, a weekly series for a week on term limits. and term limits as a ballot question in every state, whether or not c-span can get people together from each state or from

each section of the country and try to get term limits on 50 state ballots is a question. also, a binding question. if we leave it up to the congress on term limits, we know what's going to happen. nothing. but if we make the people vote on term limits, on a state by state basis, i see c-span as a tremendous vehicle to get that question in front of the public. host: a good requestidea. we will look into that. we have asked in the past a lot about term limits. it always sparks a healthy debate, and we will do it again. thank you, bill. appreciate it. caller: bye-bye. host: from politico there is this on the meet that took place in boca raton of the republican governor's association. money can't buy christie love. by then ms. user he is coming off of a banner year as khan of the republican governor's association but even some of the big theist beneficiaries of the piles of cash that christie

doled out as the rga chief would not embrace his all but certain bid. republican larry hogan, one of the elections most surprising upsets is the newer governor of maryland acanswered that will christie helped push him across but he said i am not ready to make any kind of endorsement. >> story for from politico.com. open phones. we will go to norma. it's been awhile. we haven't heard from you in ha hastings, england. welcome back caller: thank you for having me on. can you hear me ho host: we can. go ahead, please caller: the subject before was iran and whether iran will or will not have nuclear weapons and the theory being that more and more currents trees that get nuclear weapons will be. on the 27th of julied i was in objection ner the great learning center of britain. i took a cartoon and i hid several copies in different places in oxford. it showed two space creatures in

the middle of a nuclear war. one space creature is saying to the other, i have heard of those earthlings. i am surprised it took them so long. i think when i hear comments, when they are talking about the nuclear work, they are talking about a subject that if it triggered off, you have so many countries now that have, if it triggered off, it could end up, so when you talk about threats taken to mankind, that's all i have to say. i'm sorry to have to say it. thank you. host: host thank you for the call. this morning, the nuclear standard discussing nuclear capacity and with iran "a bad deal gets worse." pointing out in lifting sanctions and yielding to expansionist iran, the obama administration has brought america and its allies to this pass: either iran will get a

nuclear bomb or we will be only one -- war will be the only way to stop it. worse, rights lee smith of the weekly standard, the administration has increased the chances we might get both outcomes at once. both pieces available online at weekly standard .com. from chill cologihilacothe caller: i would like to stress this to all of the peoples listening: that if you go back into the history of the koch brothers, they had it on national geographic t.v., a four-hour documentary telling how they were raised in russia and that they own two-thirds of the united states due to investment. they push for investments for them to be here. they can buy and they can buy a governor. >> that's what happened the first time when casey got it.

it was absolutely two-point solution, two points to casey and all the sudden the koch brothers come in. 145,000 votes. i mean he has cut chilicothe in little pieces town here,take taken away everything. the first week, he put every bill in that cut everything and it was all unconstitutional. host: naomi thanks. the capitol dom behind me is undergoing a $60 million renovation project, and the architect of the capitol outlined some of the work on that. if you want to check it out, we mosted on our website at cspan.org. it will take about two years. tas $60 million project. about 52 miles of pipe and scaffolding both inside and outside the u.s. cap to me. it will be fully completed in january of 2017. of course, in time for the

inauguration of our next president. david is joining us from colare, alabama g morning. independent line. caller: yes. host: you are on the air. caller: i was calling about these republicans hollering and saying they are going to i am paetsch the president for sohis order on immigration. you know, they holler and they scream about it, but what about these companies that puts them republicans in office? why don't they start by putting the people who higher the mexican s and hispanic that are illegal over here, putting the people who hire them in jail? h host: thanks for the calm instead of building roads order bridges or invest can in the future, vans quander money on ven dettas following that friday. some of the head lines outside of, front page of the "l.a. times" focusing on earth quakes

and the earthquake alert system set to expand, especially between san francisco and -- in san francisco, i should say, and in the greater los angeles area. from the st. louis post dispatch, again, that story we read just a moment ago, the grand jury in the michael brown shooting will reconvene tomorrow. more work to do. and from the star ledger, which is becoming a far too common scene as members of the military joining the ranks of those committing suicide, jersey joins the tragic trend. in six months, three members of the new jersey guard taking their own lives and the issue of suicide within the military, a growing issue for the u.s. and in particular for the department of veterans affairs and this headline from the richmond times dispatch getting a lot of attention. in part after the death of hanna graham and now the university of virginia dealing with charges of sexual harassment and rape. the president of uva has halted activities with fraternal groups on the uva campus until early january as the investigation

following the rolling stones article continues. carolina's joining us from headlineston, louisiana. good morning. >> this is carolyn from louisiana host: good morning. caller: good morning. i am not against immigration. i am concerned about the isis coming through mexico and getting across the border into the united states. i am very concerned about that. i am also very concerned about reducing the forces in the military p, especially the forces at fort polk, louisiana. i am very concerned some of those soldiers' forces has been reduced. i am concerned about our entire military being reduced to the point that we wonder if we have enough military to keep our country safe. host: caroline, thanks for the call, from louisiana. politico report okay hillary clinton's comments on immigration saying that the president was forced to do this but it's now time for a bi-partisan action.

she calls the president's executive, quote, historic. >> that's from her comments on friday. the full story at politico.com. abbas joining us from carrollton, texas. good morning. caller: good morning. first, you have looked into problems with iran. but what about america help, the saddam hussein, fighting and it went on between these two countries the last eight years and finally, the saddam hussein was thrown out. we started the problem of helping iran fight with iraq. and now, he in strengthen the

irani enrollment. you did not do anything to help them get through eaitaly. and now, we have pakistan. we have china and all of the countries where they have the nuclear power but they are not fighting with the power of nuclear power. host: we will go to jean next in arcadia, louisiana. democrats line. what's on your mind? caller: good morning. of course, i would like to say please give me a moment because i have often called in and identified myself as an angry black woman. host: you are on the air. go ahead. caller: as an angry black woman that is true. i would like to say to my white sisters and brothers, i know you

are not that way. i would like for you to understand, that african-americans understand that there are wonderful whites in america who want to join with the rest of the nation and go forward. but however, please, you white racists, republicans action stop calling in and trying to turn us against president obama. it is not going to work. you do not care anything about us. you talk about us like we are trash, like we are yesterday's garbage, something to be taken out. so, it's not going to work. so stop calling in here, as you, you usually do, as you have done for over 200 years, trying to tell us and think for us. it's not going to work. thank you. host: okay. by the way, the christian science monitor focusing on 016 politics asking the question: could anyone beat hillae clinton? yes, of course. you can read the full story at the csm website. jenny from huntington, new york, you are next. good morning to you, jenny

caller: hi. this is wonderful. i have tried calling many times over the years. i haven't been able to get through. i just want you to know that i appreciate c-span tremendously. the washington journal is a little bit difficult because of the tremendous amount of israel-bashing and racist anti-semitism that comes over the airwaves. i know that you try to moderate fairly, but is there anything you can do about that? it's become unbearable. it's become intolerable. >> that's my question. you don't need to answer the question. it's rhetorical to some degree, but i just want you to know that it's a very difficult thing to see that go on. host: how would you fix it? caller: say again, please. host: how would you fix it caller: my goodness. i know it's difficult. i know we have freedom of speech issues. i know most of the guests generally handle the situation very diplomatically. and thank goodness for that. but just the idea that that

negative, racist anti-semitism is over the air and people get to hear it over and over and over again, i think that's a very negative thing. i don't know exactly how i would fix it. if i were a journalist, if i were in that -- if that were my field of study, maybe with others, i could figure out some way. i doubt it. or if i were a constitutional lawyer, maybe i could think of something. i don't know. but it seems that a line has to be drawn. somebody should be able to say, okay. it seems that you have very bad feelings about israel and about jews. and we need to take that into consideration whenever you say something. it's just, they have to be called on it to some degree. host: sure. when that line is crossed, we do call on those people, e he specially when it becomes derogatory or profane language or using words that are inappropriate. but this is really a reflection

on the people who are listening to the program and watching the program and we want to keep it an open forum. of course, we are very mindful of your xs as well. so thanks for watching. we hope you continue to tune in, and we always appreciate your comments and feedback. deedee, you have the last word. a minute left. a quick comment please from virginia caller: i will. the reason i called is i recently have an experience. i am a disabled vet. i cannotbly they are taking my military retirement away. >> who did you serve? >> it'singly discouraging to have that ham. s i was receiving, unfortunately, my retirement also going back, taking back all of my back retirement. they are wanting to take back $53,000. host: we are going to have to move on. have you contacted your member

of congress to deal with this? caller: i have been -- yes, i am going -- i have been trying to get my congressman just retired, yes. host: thank you for the call. from levinsville, georgia. your calls, comments, tweets, e-mails and back to postings. we appreciate that. continue the conversation online at facebook.com/c-span and we will continue the conversation tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. eastern. 4:00 o'clock on the west coast. paul kraut, a fellow at the migration policy institute to talk about the history of executive action on the issue of immigration...