remember that 76% of children who are living with hiv around the world do not receive medication, largely because there is no research and development incentive to make such medications available. we have seen at our peril that a lack of investment in neglected diseases, such as ebola, risks the health of everyone in the world. can i ask the prime minister what he will do to encourage investment in neglected diseases? >> i very much agree with what she said about the global fund. it has been an excellent way of getting countries around the world to make contributions. and britain has been no slouch in doing so and has been a major funder of the global fund. i think in terms of how we tackle diseases, pandemics, and problems in our world, i think that we need to have a serious look at the world health organization. it is that body which is under the ambit of the un, that ought to be able to respond and to do so rapidly, but it is badly in need of reform. as i have said in this house before, we need to look at how we pool resources so that we can act more quickly. but part of that should be reforming, in particular, the regional aspects of the who, which is not fit for purpose. >> andrew turner. >> does my right honorable friend believe that tony blair should get a global legacy award from save the children for taking us to war unnecessarily in iraq?

>> the prime minister. >> the remarkable thing about that award is that tony blair got it from someone who used to work for gordon brown. so, obviously, the person who gave the award knows about peacemaking and peacekeeping, but i think it is not for me to get involved. >> jack dromey. >> in 2010, the prime minister promised to protect the front line, yet with the biggest police cuts in europe, our police service is facing the loss of 30,000 officers, more than half of them from the front line, which is threatening, in the words of the association of chief police officers, their ability to perform their statutory functions and protect the vulnerable. does the prime minister understand the concern that is being expressed in communities all over the country at his government's systematic undermining of the bedrock of policing. local policing and neighborhood policing? >> i do not except what he says, because, look, we have made difficult decisions about police budgets. we had to cut those budgets by 20%, but at the same time as doing that, what we have seen that crime has actually fallen

in this country, whether you measure it by the national crime survey or the figures reported to the police. on both counts, crime has come down. the other thing that has happened is that because the police have done such a magnificent job at reform and efficiency, the percentage of officers on the front line has actually gone up. >> jason mccartney. >> every hour a man dies from prostate cancer in the uk. testicular cancer is now the most common cancer in men aged 24 to 49 in the uk and, on average, 12 men a day die as a result of suicide. will the prime minister join me in congratulating all the men who have taken part in the movember campaign to raise these men's health issues, and will the government continue to fund them and support these vital men's health issues? >> i certainly join my honorable friend in praising all those who have taken part in movember, he is sporting a magnificent pecimen himself.

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most business books tell you how to compete more effecttively. and entrepreneur, you should aim ke a monopoly, that is a breakthrow. >> monday night on "the communicators" on c-span2. >> former presidents and bill clinton.

>> former presidents george w. bush and bill clinton joined forces to launch the leadership scholars program. it is a partnership between the presidential centers of was, of bush, clinton, george h w bush, and lbj. this is an hour and five minutes.

>> please welcome margaret spellings. >> thank you for joining us today. as the announcer said, i am margaret spellings, the president of the bush presidential center in dallas, texas and i am so glad to see so many familiar faces with us for a special announcement. we would like to thank our supporting founders without whom we would not be here. the moody foundation, our friends are sitting on the front row -- is leading the way and their gift is making this possible. they are joined by two other foundations and the representatives from those organizations are with us today. thank you to my partner and best friend bruce lindsey of the clinton foundation and my friend who is the ceo of the library foundation and the chairman of the lbj foundation library board in austin. our national archive partners are led by the affiliated libraries are here with us. and smu, clinton school of public service at the university of arkansas, texas a&m and the university of texas at austin. i am thrilled to launch the presidential leadership scholars program. a partnership between the centers of bush, clinton and bush senior and johnson. president clinton and bush will join us to discuss why the program is important but first a few discussions.

i had the opportunity to visit with my friend who is also here today. about an idea for a partnership. when i moved to dallas, i became the lbj foundation library board in fact, i think this is the first collaboration ever among

presidential septemberers and ongoing initiative. why did you decide to do this as collaboration and why did you present it as a theme. >> you thought it as a theme. > hi, mom. republicans and democrats within >> and i know these septemberers and the education -- the universities are associated are tremendous assets and need to be used properly and bill feels the

same way, but i felt that it's a fantastic use of our ability to bring people together. and in washington, everybody says we are talking about the next president or senator, we are are talking about all aspects of life. i have learned through my painting, i'm trying to leave something behind, something to make a world a better mace and lot of there are still a life to live ap a great contribution will be the next jeb ever jeb generation of leaders. it's a big deal. >> president clinton. the wanted to do it because

greatest for any democracy at any time is how to have a gorous debate, ser rouse disagreement, knock could you ell dragout fights and come to a resolution that enables the country to move forward. perfect create a more union. >> and come to some sort of understanding about how to deal

with our challenges and how to go forward. these libraries and foundations retcht the republicans through democrats, three of us form still around, people of my age were pro foundly affected by president johnson and things that happened in the 1960's. and so i think we are in a great struggle in america and around the world to define the terms of our interdepend dens. no one wept into a restaurant and no one spent their time taking selfies. that's right. used to be able want to shake your hands and now they want to

shake your happened. but we can't get away from each other. how will we define the terms of our relationships but take leadership in every sector and i'm glad george said that. we believe there is some skills may have some you abilities you born with and they are their exace its can in crease. >> let me follow up on that last point of leaders not being made. this septemberer is supposed to be teaching leadership, but can it actually be taught, how do you do that? >> some things can be taught, t some things have to be

observed and practiced as well. so i think we have to teach through observation and practice. whatever it is you want to do, you have to have a vision of where you are going. strategy. and then you have to have a plan to execute that strategy and you need to be comfortable with an honest assessment of what you don't know and you can't do some well. so that you can do that and leave the door open for somebody to call and degree with you. i remember, one thing nice about my friend here -- [laughter] > i will say one thing but, he

used to call me twice a year in his second term to talk. we talked he was busier than me, 30 minutes. it meant a lot to me. we never talked about it in public. we talked about everything in the right world ment he asked my pip. and lots of time we disagreed about it. thought that was a really healthy thing. i got the young people who helped me ap i said, you know, if my of you come in this oval fice and tell me me what you think what i want to hear my goose is cooked. and you got to cultivate people. ap that can be taught.

if nothing else, we can help people get out of their own way. everyone of everyone has a dream and bring it to bear. >> president bush, this was no scholarsial leadership program when you were deproge up. >> gentlemen, there was. george h.w. bush. [laughter] >> my next question is -- [laughter] >> is there anything you wish somebody had taught you about leadership before you became a leader? i thought you were going to

promote my book. >> you apsed that question. >> first of all, let me go back to the question you asked, oy agree. i don't think you can teach how mill ti or being secure or teach courage. i think you can get people two rules in their system. this program is aimed at people who have exhibited hep characteristics that you can't teach ap give them tools and confidence. i believe this is a confidence boost. go through this program. and other people, their age or in the same area of work and hey'll say, i think i can do more. i studied the presidents. they are going to discover, we

are just normal people who got caught up through ambition, drive and circumstance who ended up being presidents and here are the tools. absolutely, you can teach leadership skills. eye you can teach leadership qualities. this program -- this committee is going to screen for leadership qualities and by the age of 3 or 50 or household the people are going to be. i learned a lot from my bad. i'm fortunate to have watched a great man. writing which i'm will be out on november 11. >> it's a love story. >> it will irritate people in washington, because it's a love tory, but it's a story about

learning from them and maybe this program will do the same thing and i learned a lot of lessons from being able to watch him throughout life. when they finish this program, i learned about leadership when i studied the presidencies of the four people that are associated with the program. >> mr. president, you clearly absorbed a lot of lessons from 41. i'm assuming those will be laid out in your book available on amazon., $16.80 [laughter] go out on a to limb. [laughter] >> let me point out.

one of the challenges of this program. maine as i wept to sheep to ated black anniversarythe 70th shote youngest pilot being out of the sky in world war ii. someone taught him how to fly the plane. but he was 20 and up there. d we had a flyover with an exact replica and it was a small bomber compared to the larger ones that were developed and even small earl fighter planes tuesday flown by the committee gee airmen.

been gentleman men davis. he was a great leader. why? ecause he did simple thing things. he said the bombers cost, do not leave the formation, protect the bomber, that's our job and that was a simple leadership strategy that result nd their being the only unit never to lose a bomber and i was talking to president bush about it and i told him and i was thinking about it all day and he said he was thinking about it all day and when list life ended, now, he was too young to have bench development leadership. but i also think he got better as he went along.

i know i got better as i went along and i will say again, giving people access to inside skills and training and keeping their heads on straight is very, very important, because anything hat is really hard will become harder and you will feel pressure and watch out. we were talking about this in the golf tournament yesterday, any level of competition, you have to work hard to get your heart, mind and spirit in the same place and not lose your focus and i hope which can be helpful to a lot of people. >> margaret and stephanie described the program telling us the kinds of people that they were looking for in this

presidential leadershipship scholars program. tell us more about the kind of people you would like to have participate in it. what would be a successful kind of person who could benefit from this program? >> we want people from all walks of life and different political persuasions. we want people who have shown the capacity to succeed. people who work hard and work with others in a good way. and people who, you know, who launched a career in whatever field. and we want to be the lecture fuel. and remember the fellows, the white house fell ost.

with nd i had the meeting them, extraordinary people that would spend in the white house. these were extraordinarily motivated people. similar to the white house fellows. one of the challenges, and we hope that we get people who weren't aware of the program but to apply for the program. d i guess -- any other thoughts on that one. >> some people who are involved in nongovernmental organizations like our foundation work that operate on a 13458 smaller level but do great work but need to ram much it up and do so with donors. of modest

so it's sustain able in their community or state or whatever. i think they could benefit from a program like this. i would like to have some people who are entrepreneurs in the program who are working in areas with enormous potential, but significance uncertainty for america's economic future. and i would like to have -- to go back to what george said -- i would like to get people fl different backgrounds, together with the charge to come up with something they can do together. for example, when the tea party first got organized, a lot of the early people were not involved with anybody rich. they thought the government let them down and therefore -- they

hought the public sector got big and their home touch or their upbringing work would be all right. would like to be paired with projects to figure out what they can do together to have the

>> it's hard to make good decisions. only two people know this number and their related to me. i hope i'm not about to be told 'm going to be a premature grandfather. >> president bush i've been admonished in asking these questions not to encourage you guys to commit news. >> thank you. eum soe we are in the news that requires leadership on your part. >> it does and i'm going to try to use it. announcements or endorsements or predictions you'd like to make now would be

a fun time to make them. >> what about another clinton bush matchup and my answer was the first one didn't turn out too good. >> i'm going to exercise leadership and not let us get any farther off. but i'm interested in the answers that both of you gave to talking question in about what kind of scholars you wanted. neither of you talked about politicians. or elected officials, because i gather that's not the core purpose of this scholarship program. it's not to train a bunch of new political leaders. >> no. but i think that politics is important, and i know he does, too. one of the things that i would like to do if we got into that -- i thought about it the other day i went to see "all the way." the broadway play about johnson passing the civil rights

act. bryan cranston won the tony award for it. i liked him way better as lbj than a drug dealer. but he's a great actor. i like the movie "lincoln" because it showed abraham lincoln as a politician, making those dreaded deals, giving guys jobs and stuff to vote for the amendment to end slavery. i wouldn't mind having a leadership program which forces people to talk about the compromises that leaders have to make, and which ones are more principled and which ones aren't, and is it only determined by the end or don't you have to have some limits on he means, too? i hope we do have some of that in there, because that's really important. if you lose the ability to keep the door open to people -- i remember one day, trent lott jumped all over me in a sunday

morning talk show, said i was cting like a spoiled brat. i never will forget this in the second term. i called him on the phone. he said, my god, are you call had gone chew me out? i said, but not for what you think. he said, what do you mean? i said, you worked hard last week, didn't you? and you agreed because somebody suggested you do the sunday morning talk shows and you woke up exhausted with a headache, you were mad you had to good, they baited you when you had to go and you took the bait. he said, that's exactly what happened. how did you know that? i'm telling you this because it ade us better friends.

i didn't care what he said. i cared whether we could go to ork the next week. those things i would like to help teach people. ow did mandela develop the strength to put the people who kept him in prison, 27 years, the leaders of the parties, in his government. he didn't just invite them to the inauguration, he had them in

his government. we are going to have to do some pretty radical things like that over the next ten or 15 years if we're going to create real decisionmaking processes that work. so i'm not against having people in politics in this, but i'm against giving it a particular political cast. >> yeah. i agree with that. i'm also concerned about the fact that people look at the political process and public service and say, i don't want to serve. who wants to get involved with that. you know, who wants their reputation besmerched. and i think that this program -- hopefully this program will inspire good people to serve and say it's worth the cost. it's worth the cost. it's worth the price. we didn't mention the military. i hope the military participates. i think it is very important to have people who wear the uniform go through a program like this. so i'm not adverse to politicians. people saying politics is noble, i want to serve as a result of the program, i think would be a wonderful dividend. >> let's talk for a minute about the curriculum of the presidential leadership scholars program. margaret and stephanie described it. it's got four key themes to the curriculum. irst is communications and ision, second is

decisionmaking, the third is influence and persuasion, and he fourth is coalition-building. in your mind, president clinton, is any one of those four more important than the others? >> well, the bible says where there's no vision the people perish, but i think the truth is, if the test is are things going to be better off when you uit than you started, whatever it is you're doing, you have to do everything. you have to have a vision, is articulated, turned into a strategy. hen you have to be able to execute the strategy, to pass a bill if you're trying to pass a ill, or if you're not in the

political context, just to go do it. and you have to be able to assemble a team. as i said, people that know things you don't and have skills you don't. to do that. and to build support for it. and i think all those things are exceedingly important, and then you have to stay at it, and one of the things that i hardly ever see, george, that it don't think of this, and we never talk about it, but i watched all those debates he had with vice resident gore. not a single one of them did either one of them get asked, what are you going to do when they blow up the world trade center? so, if you take a leadership position, you very often -- particularly in an uncertain

orld, if you don't do or get caught trying to do what you said you were going to do when you ran you feel like you have let yourself and your supporters down. or if you take a job as chairman of a company, same thing. or start a small business. on the other hand, you can't ignore the incoming fire. that's what really damaged our friend in south africa. he said, mandela created a modern political state. 'll create a modern economy, and here comes aids. so you have to deal with that and then you have to try to think of things that aren't in the headlines that will prepare for a future. you have got to do all that.

i don't think you can disaggregate these things. that's one of the things i hope will come out of this program. >> i agree completely with that. i thought stephanie and margaret had a valid point in that issues change, circumstances change, economies change, but there are certain principles that don't, management principles and leadership skills that won't change. and the idea, of course, is to not only have a class but to have a series of classes, big alumni association, encouraging people to sign up but also

reinforcing the lessons learned about what it takes to lead. and, again in washington, people think they're talking about budget chairman or something like that. i mean, if you're a small usiness owner, these lessons apply to you as well, the four areas of discussion. you may have to communicate with fewer people, but nevertheless you still have to communicate the vision in order for a company to succeed. for example. you have to know where it's going. leadership is knowing where you, the leader ex-want to take somebody, and have the skills necessary to do so. i don't think you can this aggregate -- disaggregate them. >> let me ask you about the two presidencies involved in this initiative that aren't represented on the stage. and president clinton, i'm going to begin by asking you about 41. even though you haven't written a book that will be out on november 11th. about 41. >> i think i can put one together and be ready by the middle of -- be ready for the christmas season. >> but you have worked a lot with 41 in your post presidency. >> i have. >> and you're known to be very close with him. what leadership attributes of 41 do you think have impressed you most and are the ones you want to inculcate through this leadership program? >> when you're dealing with president bush 41, there are a couple of things that are never in doubt, and i think this is really important. his good will is never in doubt. and this was true before he was 90. we've been working together for a long time now. we've been out of office a long time. he did things when most people were at an age where they were -- where they'd stopped doing things. jimmy carter did the same thing. have to respect that. he is 90. just went to china to celebrate

the 35th anniversary of opening the door to china. so, anyway, when you deal with president bush, you realize immediately that he is a person of good will. whatever it is he is doing, he is doing because he thinks it's right and he wants to help somebody. i don't think that can possibly be underestimated as an attribute. if you don't have that, then everything else you're trying to do is a lot harder. when i was president we had to >> and i had a republican congress, six of the eight ears, the people that actually knew me, that i had a relationship with, that we had done something together on, republicans who supported the irish peace process for example -- it was -- we had a beg leg up. i think it's very important, when people see that. the other thing i think that he ad that believe every leader needs, that i think he's got, too, by the way, we can all do the right thing when we're presented with a problem we know everything about and we understand the main players. but the best leaders have enough imagination and empathy that they can feel the situation somebody's in that they'd never been in, and bush 41 was great

about that. otherwise, you know, he wouldn't have been out there plunking for he americans with disabilities act. e had pretty clean air up in any bunk port -- kennebunkport

but wanted the clean air standards who when he was a congressman, he was one of the few southerners, or republicans to vote for the open housing law in 1968. why was that? he could always live wherever the heck he wanted. he could put himself in the position of someone who had a different life, with different life possibilities and different life changes. i think that's one of most important characteristics a leader can have, and he is always been great at that. >> thank you. you're right. >> president bush, same question to you about lyndon johnson, what stands out in your mind as his leadership qualities you want taught is in program. > i met lyndon johnson twice. once when i was visiting my grandfather who was a colleague of his in the senate, and once later on when he had retired back to texas.

he was a big guy. i was struck by how imposing his whole kind of physical being was, and i would suspect amongst the four, his strongest quality was his persuasiveness. particularly to get the civil rights bill passed. i mean, it's one of the greatest legislative feats in our nation's history. and lyndon johnson powered it through, and i don't think we will be able to teach size. but i will think we can -- people will be able to be inspired by his lesson, and -- yeah. >> president clinton, let me ask ou, you two to talk about each other for a minute. > beautiful man.

beautiful. >> what in president bush's leadership style stands out for you that you want taught in this cholars program? >> when he decided what he thought was right, he went for t. and sometimes i didn't agree with what he thought was right. but i recognized that he was doing what he thought was right not what he thought the politics of the moment required or what the constituencies even within is own party required.

you can argue like "no child left behind," but one thing it certainly reflected was a concern for the achievement levels of all american students, and ted kennedy supported him on it, as i remember they worked that out. that was kind of interesting couple. when -- and i remember when he said, i don't do nuance, and he got bashed for it, and i like nuance and cloudy situations, but the truth is sometimes clarity is required. and when he said it, he said it in a circumstance where he thought clarity was more important than being -- adding a three paragraph codicile to whatever your decision was. so, i actually learned a lot watching him over the years. and i tell young people all the ime, who agree with my politics, that when you look at the top of any organization, every now and then, for example, of all the world leaders i knew, i never talked to you about this -- all the