raising questions about values. same set ofhe shared values across the atlantic that we used to. bothhere are divisions on side. so the europeans would talk about the disconnect between peoples and their governing arrangements, just as in this be the case country. of values and partly generation al. the cold warught grew up assuming that we'd be allies. of age since the early 90's don't have that same experience. are interesting currents. i found on this trip for the first time echos of, see what think, fred.

i'm used to anti-americanism on the right in britain. i've seene first time it on the right in germany. ilk, mostlyame cultural. these people are crass, kind of bumbling, and by the way they're trying to sell us a form of capitalism and regulation that inferior to the one we have, that was new to me. romance withous putin. >> still with putin, for all the germany.in >> let me suggest a theme and move onto another them. sustaining,eme be defending the liberal international world order? rightt what's at question now, whether or not that's going to happen in the coming generation? a new task forn the trans-atlantic community? all those words are so loaded, that i'm not sure i'd

subject describe to them immediately. but building, maybe it's sustaining,her than an order that is both tolderrably acceptable to us and to the chinese, for instance. middable the afternoon and that's what the future order has got to look like. movement onen china's part in the right direction, but a long way to go. trying, that is the task before us and respect to that the europeans are important. the future ofut ance arrangements for the local web, there's a big contingent going on, that our attitude is more or less let it rip. european attitude is we'd like to control this but we're do sure if we can and how to it. and the chinese attitude of course is this is just a media other, we're going to

control it to the fullest extent possible. we did some work on internet web futures and what struck us was technology is moving fast, it sort of .redictable it was harder to predict where the governing ray ep jeems around -- regimes around the mobile web in particular. in kissinger's new bock on world existed says it hasn't because there was a liberal order that was imposed but not been embraced totally. ie president has said that communityigence failed to see the speed with which isis would sweep across iraq. what were the reasons for that changing underny way to improve that performance? >> as i look back, i take no or bhaim for this because

it was before my time. the communityhat did a good job of understanding we callisis, whatever it. so it was there. jim was surprising, as clapper said, is how not so much quickly it was but how the iraqi forces melted at the trouble.n of and as jim said, the hardest is people's right will to fight. because you can see their weapons, but you can't see the their souls. so in that sense, and he cites litany of times we've gotten it wrong, we got it wrong about we got it in vietnam, wrong about oured arrear sarys '93, and so i suppose what's more of a surprise was how quickly the iraqi security away. melted

i was surprised myself by the brutality of isil or isis. as i think forward, the question for me is at what point that become more of a liability than it seems so far. fair, they're careful about it. so even in these latest beheading videos, they don't show the grisly stuff, any understood that's bad. but still it a question for them whether the liability they're generating as they move so quickly will catch up to what time period. prid warfare russia, to what extent was that and tong we saw coming what extent are we learning? wei think we're learning as go. most of what russia did, on the unione front it's special and it's things they can disavow. about. knew

we hadn't seen it much in place have since, one the propaganda information front. what they've done is straight forward, control the papers and the typical autocratic stuff. but they have done some social media. what's interesting about social media is it plays on both side. and who gets the net advantage. it a lot in intelligence, and it's valuable there. thelso valuable for practitioners like putin and his colleagues. i'm not sure who gains more from you pick with it of owe -- ubiquity of social media. book? >> it's verging the division. to try to think what i

wanted all my titles not to have in them, but this one i didn't succeed. it's about looking at science side aslligence side by both become more important in major public policy decisions both operate in circumstances that are more more possibleth steak holders. >> fascinating. so why don't give us a couple main themes of the book. one of the themes is the slowness with which intelligence youcome to grips with what were just talking about, explosion of open source information. in what ways do you think i.c. to the openst source of information. >> it's a good question. powerful current in intelligence that says the add is secretly, that what we bring to the table. that's never been my view. thought that secrets

are part of it, but also information and analysis and world ins that in a which information is ubiquitous, we still have a process that is pretty linear, starts with requirements, what do we like to know about, then we collect, and we analyze what we've collected. fine, but it is very linear. in the world in front of us there, byn is just definition you're only going to it not a tiny fraction of matter what you do. process beaving the driven by collection, every time we do a piece we'll talk about gap.ollection i think we need to move away from that as one of my predecessors john gannon said, he said open source is not a hint. it the air we breathe. it's just out there. ways to takefind advantage of it, i would put, if i'm looking at the major

challenges facing all of twolligence, i'd identify paramounts. one is operating a world that is transparent. colleagues remind me, my car has 12 different telling people, information about me and where i am and where i'm going. more transparent world. on the other imposes i think intelligence the task of dealing with big data. hasitionally intelligence prized its exquisite data, particular sources. those can still be important. but increasingly they're just so tryingta out there and to find ways to exploit it. social media is a perfect hugele where you've got amounts of stuff, very unreliable. validate, hard to

use. but we're getting better at it, task and it also runs against the grain that says ofre in the business applying exquisite information to hard problems. introduce're going to new efforts in terms of that open source inclusion? be mosto what would valuable are we have an internal prediction market all right, and inheriting it. so thisn interesting, is not huge data, but iting waysgating in interesting the views of people on particular problems. the good news is it turns out super predictors, some people are a lot beth at this than others. i suppose no surprise. even better news is that a little trainer helps. trainingours of actually makes people quite a lot better, it helps them

basically avoid coming quickly to a conclusion, that's the key. open mind for ally longer. turns out to be a real key to there.ell so that's the kind of thing i'd like us to do. before i came to this job looking at activity based intelligence, which was identifyingful in bad guys in iraq and afghanistan, but it did so by data from different sources and laying it together to develop what they called a that wouldlife distinguish a would-be insurgent pious muslimary going about his or her day. i like itbout, because it disrupts this linear cycle in interesting ways. it says it's consequence neutral. it says we may find the answer know the question, or the piece of something we've collected today may be irrelevant today, but tomorrow we'll find a question that makes it very important. intoed --

interested in a particular would-be insurgent. data neutral. be data is data. useful, if it's not it not. and it basically says let's currente this data for purposes around locations. make it discoverable, then people can see if there's anything of about it to a particular location. >> please wait for the .icrophone socialwere talking about media, and obviously it my with social media, everyone is on it, twitter, you name, face bock, it. over the years collecting and going through data points, is social media making it easier or harder for the intelligence community to

with the different facets? mediaso, with social everyone prides themselves, it's freedom of speech and this is this is what i think, how do you counteract who are goingal to the extreme side who are recruiting here in the united throughout the international community to come it-year-oldir and -- their ideology and join their extremism, how do you counteract that? >> those are great questions. on balance it's a huge amount of information, so therefore it's a difficult challenge. but i think on balance social media does offer lots of vans intelligence. when i was still at the rand corporation i was looking at how the various agencies were mediating external social like facebook and twitter, and i found a lot more than i expected. was really very interesting.

open sourcee in the area is dealing with huge volumes, and the liability of to validate particular tweeters by how many times they retweeted, all still pretty labor intensive, trying to make challenge.is the i would like social media to be warning, butot in in sort of tipping. here's the place where analysts look or here's a correlation they might look at that they haven't before. so hopeful on that score. what you do about the bad guys it, sometimes actions get interestingly isil is not, they don't have chat rooms passwords. they've done it all quite openly.

as one can tell, relatively successfully. have to do then is do better yourself at getting a and that iut there, think we're getting better at, a primary not just role for intelligence, it a role forpolicy, but also a role to's and citizens as well counter those particular narratives that are dangerous. >> please. >> thanks. reporter here in washington d.c. i have a couple of questions, and thank you to the atlantic fascinatingthis meeting. i have a couple questions, one of ukraine and one of russia. on ukraine, we've known just that when the government events,n talk about the they rarely sight american intelligence sources or american sources.t they mostly say we know this from nato or we know it from the

other sources, rarely reference their own intelligence. let take, for example, the case plane.destroyed is, thaton obviously obviously creates an impression that they are not straight with the public. question is about your pons to that, whether you are sure that you know what happened with that plane and whether we have finding out. ever malaysian plane. yes. that's the ukrainian part. onethen the russian part, observation i have is that as imeone who because of my job read all the major texts from your president, from my often see and i president putin directly

describing his motives, his actions in his lengthy speeches fine and a's, and then i out that nobody reads them here. ultimate like your source. how do you deal with that? answers, butthe you won't take them. thank you. are in retrospect we all should the 2007 munich speech. >> i couldn't agree more. you might actually listen to people say. we did that, we made that the indianore nuclear test. the indian leaders were pretty clear on what they were going to believe them.'t so a good starting point is to listen to what people say actually thinky what they say. i couldn't agree more with you on that score. the malaysian plane, i'm

confident we do know and i think laid out that case pretty clearly in public, not on policy.ence, but our so i find that pretty compelling. (inaudible question. >> as far as i can tell. >> please, yes. my name is steve hirsch. question is, with the --rgence i'm trying not to use the wore nonstate actors but i can't word.of another the emergence of nonstate actors, entity that are not ifernment, i'm wondering there is an emerging need and if it being met in american withligence to work nonintelligence sorts of organizations, by which i mean enforcement, narcotics, sort

of broader, maybe a broader of intelligence than we used to have, because we're now dealing with entities that are not our traditional adversaries. >> i think you're right, it a big challenge. i think we're doing better. lot of difficulties, mostly self imposed for ofelligence to do that kind thing, but it's gotten better before.was here and we did a paper on emergencies around the world and we basically went ngo's the humanitarian and said would you come to a conference in imavment bring a you.aseball paper with much like the idea of dealing with the government and intelligence, but that was sort of outweighed by the fact that we cared about their issue. effectivelycame and wrote the first draft of this paper. this is nearly 20 years ago, so opened me then to the possibilities of intelligence

reaching out. of as you say with not nonstate actors, or if you're looking at places like, i did on sudan.work sudan is just crawling with ngo's. and they've government a lot more understanding of what's sudan than u.s. intelligence is ever going to have, i suspect. waysying to tap that in that are acceptable to them, i think that is a doable challenge. a lot of the troubles we cause for understandable reasons, but it, one of the nick to be isthe the most, the piece of intelligence that's the most out most engaged,the that reaches out to experts the most. the more we look into the future, the less those help.s and the more talking to experts outside the government as well as inside is necessary.

again. to see you how much does the kind of analysis you do rely on history? know that frequently, among journalists and politicians, they're bad historical analogies made. but a couple much us were at a with steven copkin who just wrote this biography of stall -- stall lynn, and he said -- and he said there's a pattern of russians being a feeling of society, aggrieved by their treatment by the west, and one much their out and gos to lash conquer somebody. i mean, how does the role of play intod historians developing judgments about how

other countries and governments to do things? >> great question. i think probably too little is the easy answer. we certainly try and be we doically aware when things. but the historical memories of most americans don't go back far. they think the world was created a couple days ago. a challenge. one of the pieces i'd like, i by thee in a while, done c.i.a. and others, is they'll and look at how it's played out in other cases through,similar cases but mostly recent history. not, probably not going back far. i find that useful too, but we don't do enough of that. longering to get a historical sweep, i think that is a real challenge. take the middle east now, it's easy not to go much further maliki was ah, really bad guy and there are

shias. and well, that's a start, but it's of history mind that that is relevant as well. isil didn't come out of nowhere. can doink the more we better history, the better, but littlecan imagine it's a tide.imming against the >> let me ask a question. year the national director of intelligence briefs a conference about the annual threat assessment. so what i've been told, by watched theave history of this assessment is that it keeps getting longer and know whether don't that's because they want to make sure they haven't missed the happens.at actually but if you're looking at the threats, in this world of threats, one two three, the once you the most, what are they, and how do you

prioritize more in this assessment? >> it's a good question. exercise, interesting classified version of it, and the unclassified. it's hard in an unclassified version to be as clear about priorities as you would like, them yourself,e givese the more you priority to something, the more you're not gig priority to and that has all sorts of consequences. my personal list, the top much my threat list. but it's bound to reflect that werethe things currently preoccupied with, those will no doubt be at the of the list. in any case. it i think they deserve because there's something having to work on actively, take risks, do things, so those

will be prominent. beyond that we can do me it remains to be seen. i haven't done this exercise looking forward to it. >> the gentleman with the glasses. then i'll go to the back. >> fred tipson, institute of peace. you factor the stress degrees democratic bulges and volatility and things that must be in your new book are we talk about that a lot in the book. they factor into our work all the time and it's often said and demographics is destiny the work you look out, the more important it becomes. good job.we do a we certainly try hard, we have a andtegic futures group they've done a lot of good work on the implications of chiement --nge, so

climate change. some representatives here who are doing similar thinking about instability, about youth bulges, about those things. so there's i think a lot of good work. easy tolenge is, it's say about a particular state, vulnerable,tate is understandablyle want, well, when is something going to happen, what's the hard., and that's very who would have thought that a in tunisia would have had the kind of effect that that had. job atink we do a good understanding the basic dynamics when those are going to produce interesting thege or event, that's

challenge. >> hi, greg. roger cliff of the atlantic council. leverage off of that last point. and your earlier talk about sourceuch more open publicly available information. ofwhat is, and there's lots academics and people in think tax and so on who are looking at are.ame issues that you what's the comparative advantage of the intelligence community when it comes to doing this kind analysis? >> by this kind, you mean future? about the >> thinking about the future, i mean obviously when it comes to, what frequencies the unit is operating on, the intelligence community is going to have an advantage there. but looking at broader global they're going to affect events that affect in the near or far future.

the comparative advantage of the intelligence community in that sort of analysis? hope it's bringing together andbest minds out there, trying to sin the size, adding nugget where we have them from they'resources if relevant. and it comes back to what you think the point of a particular piece is. we just did a work on global energy. that, there was classified information relevant, but we wen't use much of it because didn't need to. it was mostly from diplomatic reporting and open source. i think what the value or the reason for doing that perspective was a kind of foundational one. that we can help set the terms the discussion, have a common for working on a particular problem, and that seems to be a useful function that our more strategic pieces

can do. year ago onhalf a cyber and seems to me the wasribution of that piece in a frame and language that to policyseful as discussionings of that particular issue. >> could you please expand on how you see the performance of the intelligence community on the prognosis of the happenings in the ukraine? because i have an impression intel didn't do too well on that. and the second one, you were saying about the not being but, by tactics. see as far as the

policies, that it's more style.n so how do you assess the possible capability you have to translate the intel message to the white house, whether you're good on that. you. >> one of the good things about this for me has been that the of the communication between intelligence, between nick and national security staff in particular is very intense. it's a very intense give and take, and we get thank you notes, we get questions, we get kicks from time to time. impressed by the stream of thank you notes, often the thank you notes say thanks for doing this in 12 hours. so they're more about timing quality.t but this is an administration

to be very receptive to intelligence, it doesn't mean our they necessarily follow advice if there's advisor believe what we say. heard, and i think you's the main thing can ask if you're trying to do intelligence to make better policy. on ukraine, i haven't looked it. at so i don't think i really have a view of how well we did or didn't do. and of course it depends a lot you think mr. putin's makingrizon and decision was like. >> i think we'll make this the last question with one wrap question from me. and then i think we're all then invited to a reception outside too. followup on the cyber security issue that you mentioned a couple times. you said it was one of the

looking at most in the long range. looksm wondering how nick at an issue, how nick looks at you're looking at technological change over a series of 10 or 15 years as opposed to one nation's national interest? >> let me pile onto that, since a closing question. also take that one, and is're expanding to, and this not entirely cyber, it's broader on technology issues, but your including the national intelligence others focus on youl technology, and maybe can talk about where that decision comes from and how well particularly in the spirit of new book does the i.c. do in following science and technology trends and how is that going to be

going forward as well? >> on the cyber issue, obviously there's a lot of forward looking work to be done. but there's a pretty steady stream of questions as well. and i'm in touch with people in the private sector, so there's a steady stream of current stuff happening there, too, not a lot it.olicy making meetings on but it's not just trying to that teakic -- strategically. >> and we've done some reports disruptive technologies. lot coming at us. so that's the context of this question. , --e've had, and i mostly on civil, though it's more.o separate these any

my impression is that the jobunity does a pretty good at following military much less good job at following civilian and dual technologist. use,es, not so much dual but ones that are on that fuzzy between civil and military use for both. so that's kind of to beef up for us, a lot of people are out there doing scans and technology, it's always interesting to me. hearingike i've been about nano technology for a very long time. much has happened. i pose the proposition there is technological breakthroughs or technological changes have go through once they the social fabric, but may take longer to go through the social

fabric than you think. and the internet is a nice example, where it took 40 years i suppose to go from the technology development and for arrangements to coalesce around it to make it really useful. makes these technology, findology forecasts i too fun to do. but one of my colleagues who is planner says if thinking about the longer term doesn't affect what you do today, it's only entertainment. i like the entertainment, but i don't get to do entertainment at my current job. so i'm trying to make it useful to our work today. >> and sometimes relatively technologist -- fracking, are really hard to proceed. >> absolutely. i'm impressed by the things that don't happen. if we had this conversation in said,e would have all well, energy will be cheap, it will be free by this point nuclearwe thought

energy would be great and it way.t quite turn out that so i'm intrigued as much by the dogs that never bark as the interesting ones that do. >> thank you so much. me just close this by boss, general clapper, one more time, the right man at the right time. by the intelligence quality with which he handles these questions and the experience you bring to the job, we wish you the best of luck and will be helpful wherever we can. much, thanksvery for doing this. [applause] >> coming up, ahead of saturday's runoff the debate between the louisiana senate

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>> voters in louisiana will polls thishe saturday to vote on a runoff in that state senate race. in the races garnered the required 50% of the vote on election day. night the candidates, incumbent democrat mary republicannd challenger bill cassidy faced off in a debate. this is an hour.

>> thank you for joining us. we have a panel of questioners tonight from our station as cross louisiana. during the debate we'll take questions from twitter, join the conversation and tweet your the hash tag,g the final debate. we encourage you to tweet and give your commentary. occasionally you'll see tweets flash on the bottom of the screen. the candidates have one minute questions.to at the moderator's discretion, there is followup with no set time limit. with a candidate's specific question, one or each of the candidates, and by luck the draw tonight that goes first to senator landrieu. you made pretty clear today that talk about congressman cassidy's l.s.u. you that i must tell when i hear from cassidy support

terse feedback is get is make ask mary land drow about her travel, and the idea had reported almost $35,000 in expenses for air travel, private chartered planes that were billed to the senate office instead of your congressional campaign. going back to 2002 when the therechanged, why isn't any inconsistency in you that the congressman bring all the record for his work at l.s.u. when we don't you traveled in the first six years of office? >> first of all, thank you for question. i think the panel for hosting us in this very important debate. the records tonight for the time that was not given just a few weeks ago. turned over all the records. it was a book keeping error, i've taken full responsibility for it, and it has been completely repaid. the very big difference is that congressman cassidy has padded sixown payroll for the last

years, entering into an agreement with one of our hospitals, and there's no record of the work that he's done. matter.a very serious so one was a book keeping error, which i took full responsibility turned over a complete set of record, with this and the otherht, situation is a congressman over $20,000 a year in addition to his congressional even more it may be than that if they paid for his insurance,practice without reporting it properly, without turning over any record. id i don't think from what can see he brought them tonight, and i think that's a shame. >> we don't allow promise for in fairness. but let me ask a quick followup. props?records then i shouldn't have brought this then to give to you. $5500, for one charter

flight from new orleans to lake that's one specific charter that jumped out at people. if that had happened in the business world, i think most businesses people would have been latched out of the room if they suggested having that kind a company.charged to >> john, first of all, every senator and every congressman gettings a budget. we can allocate our budget within those guidelines as we see fit. legal expenses. the only difference is it was a book keeping error of misallocation. that is a far cry from a congressman that is padding his payroll. >> has the scrutiny -- we're going to get to the other issue. this gained iny the race changed your view at youabout how quickly arranged for a charter? >> well, first after you, i of, of course, because of this. but also i want you to know that nothing was illegal. keeping error, not allocating it. i have fully reported it.

responsibility, and i've turned over all the records. i hope tonight we will get to a serious matter, in this debate, the story just this week, i would have talked about it before, but the myry just broke in week, of opponent who has shown himself or told us that he was a doctor poor, but he is not a doctor for the poor. himself.ctor for >> let's get to that then. congressman cassidy, after your established,we've there was an arrangement with l.s.u. where you would continue medicaland teaching students, residents, at $20,000 a year, seven and a half hours a week. l.s.u. has produced time sheets me, 16 ofths, excuse the 63 months that you worked there, but says i can't find the other almost 50. on more than a dozen occasions the type sheets reflect hours in clinic on days when there were votes in washington. address the questions this has

raised about how you could be in two places at once. >> it's very simple. are absolutelys false. haverect supervisor and i made comments regarding this, and the landrieu camp when ever they can takes these comments and twist them around. i'm proud of the work i've done l.s.u. doing a procedure in the morning andthen flying to d.c. voting that evening. now, that's it. l.s.u., i've done with teaching medical students actually benefit the poor and the uninsured. there's an irony here. hertor landrieu justifies vote for obamacare by saying and uninsured.or even though obamacare has hurt the economic prospects of the poor. that said, there's also this issue of transparency. records,nly got the but actually it was illegal what the senator had done, it

ethicsy violated senate laws, and i have a question to finish up with. i was doing benefit the poor and the uninsured, who did when she usedeu those taxpayer dollars to pay jets, whoe charter did that benefit? >> i'll tell you what, we can't at this time, we do have questions that you can ask one another later. i think weness better stick with the format here. let me follow up though, congressman. understand it, this was supposed to be documented. personally sign these time sheets? and the other question i have is, given louisiana's sort of colorful political history, if will, is it understandable that there would be questions raised about some potential for abuse in some cases if there safeguards, when a congressman was employed by an

entity of state government. very understandable. senator land drew that it would to be her this past weeks week, that's because they began to push the story out this past week. so clearly senator landrieu is going to try to make this a i'm sittingthough there helping the poor and uninsured. my boss and i have may multiple statementthis -- >> let me interrupt for a moment. did you sign the time sheets? the time signed sheets. >> because it looked as though it, there's conjecture that you didn't sign them all. is doctor's hand writing. theo speak directly to question of -- let me ask you this actually. if you're lengthed to the like to beld you employed by l.s.u., would your of absence -- >> i love treating patients, i love teaching. the only hepatologist in

the system, so i bring value. but i always serve at the will employer. but if i get the opportunity to teach and to continue to treat the poor and the uninsured as i have for the last 25 years in the charity hospital system, i would like to continue it. >> i have a feeling we'll revisit it. but we have to go to our first greg.on from >> let's talk about the pain capable act. protects your child, an unborn child at 20 weeks, point at say at that child begins to feel pain, at least proponent of the bill, of anould feel the pain abortion from that procedure. congressman cassidy, you supported the bill. are there any exceptions where you think that abortion should considered? and also at what point should the goch draw the line in lives?s personal >> yes, so one of the clear distinctions of this race is i and for landrieu is

pro-choice. i get 100% from right to life and she gets zero. gets 100% from the pro abortion groups and i get a a very kind ofis my gosh there's a clear choice in this campaign. the pain capable act, i know that that child is born at week 20 can survive outside the womb, and there's evidence at that week is able to feel, at 20 weeks is able to feel pain. that point we can all agree whether we're pro-choice a life,ife that that is and it should be saved. and it shouldn't be aborted. am pro-life. >> are there any cases where it aborted ofiate to be course, so if the mother's life is at risk, i am pro-life. is one of the choices senator landrieu get is a zero from right to life. >> senator landrieu, you were quoted assaying 20 weeks is not the norm for a child to live hospital.

do you support abortion at 20 weeks? >> i do not support abortion, period. think it's tragic. i do not believe the government, make thoseould decisions. i think abortion in almost every immoral. i believe that the government should not make the choice, that i fall more under the label of pro-choice than pro-life. labels are not very accurate, because i think the the doctor,family, in consultation with the doctor or with their god, should make decision. now, my record has been miss construed. cochair of the adoption caucus, i have two adopted children. children,ve adopted the congressman know this is very well. we both have adopted children. adoption.ort do i not promote abortion and never have. he should also know as a doctor that 20 to 26 weeks is a very fragile time for a

child. but the answer is i don't want by cassidy in the hospital room. i don't want the governor in the room.al and i sure don't want congress in the hospital room. the mother, the father, and the should be in that hospital room. to cynthia. >> we've all noticed -- witnessed the events of ferguson, missouri unfollow this hasr very eyes, brought the issue of race relations center stage in america. raceare your feelings on relations? and specifically i'd like for you to answer, would you say better, worse, or the same and what do you think need about trueto bring healing? senator landrieu, let's start with your response. a very important question, because our country is multiethnic unity, for us to be the strongest country, is a strength not a

weakness. and i actually think that race relations have deteriorated a bit in this country. and i think we have to continue decade after, decade, generation after generation. what happened in ferguson was a tragedy. for michael brown's family as well as for the officer and his family. hope the ferguson community will continue to talk, review and continue to have dialogue. but this country's strength is our diversity. it's not our weakness. and i think we need to do a nation trying to understand each other and work together. >> congressman cassidy, would you say things are better, worse or the same? >> if you compare it to when we crow laws, clearly it's better. and let's point out the progress. new orleans which is precome nably african-american has a white mayor. cityast parish has a black parish president. so we have made strides in terms

understandingxpe of others. the parable of the good samaritan is about the good samaritan reaching across racial religious divides to create unity with another person who is in need. scripture should inspire us to attempt to reach things better. senator landrieu made a statement that we were all washow that barack obama not being viewed favorably because we have a history of race indiana the south. i think just because you disagree with the president doesn't make you a racist, and i when senatort that landrieu by implication said we're sexist and racist, she's to public office since i was in college. so i think we've made great progress, we shouldn't minimize it. but is there more to do, of course there's more to do. the problems that bill cassidy has is that he makes muchs up as he goes along he made up a story about him being a doctor for the poor when his own payroll and

he made up the statement that i said anyone was raisist. i said the south has not always been the friendliest place for african-americans. a region thatbeen has not quickly recognized the leadership of women. make no apology for something that is a historical fact. i said --at sceuz excuse me, bill. that is what i said. that was of context. and i also answered the question. i was asked why is president obama so unpopular in the state. i said he was unpopular among some people in the state because of his energy policies, and i he is not forain, keystone, i am. gashut down oil and drilling much we are all for it. and then i said those words. contextpun them out of for his own political benefit. and i'm not the only tired of rhetoric.to his >> i think people can look at the video themselves and make decision.

we don't have to have a he said she said. look at the video and see what she said. >> all right. let's go onto doug warner. >> good to see you both again. in question deals with what you back to d.c. whether elected senator or reelected. congressman cassidy, with your tv, radio and newspaper ads you have basically run a campaign against president obama. yet he'll only be there for a fraction of your term if you're elected. what do you want to do with in job if elected? >> yeah, continue what i've already done. excel pipeline, i was able to get the cassidy bill through the house. bipartisan bill on a bases that passed and went to the senate where unfortunately the senator could not get that passed. whatever senator landrieu says, can you talk to my patients, for the last 25 years. repeal and preplace

obamacare with something that actually works for people against them.king i've worked in a public institution as a physician. the veteranse on committee so i can look at the system, bring in my expertise working in a public we give system, how can power to patient and not leave it with a bureaucrat, as both obamacare does and as the v.a. system does. using my life experience to americans. >> senator landrieu. >> it's interesting that he want to be on the veterans committee because he voted against the veterans hospital at, in was a senator louisiana. he voted no, against the medical complex. nerve to says the that he important the veterans hospital? one more thing. i don't believe he will be he'll bebut if hees doing a lot more than fighting president obama, he'll be hehting subpoenas because

padded his payroll. he took money without accounting for it. he doesn't have a supervisor, and he did not sign the sheets, which you know, you have them. he does not have the significant, he did not account he will not and turn over his records. i mean this is a real serious issue. will talk about everybody else's records but his own. happens in this debate, these questions must be answered. >> if i can respond to that. the truthfulness of what senator landrieu is saying can be judge voteds much she says i against the v. after hospital in new orleans. i wasn't in congress -- v.a. legislature. >> i'm sorry, i'm speaking please. i wasn't in congress when that approved. when senator landrieu is the hospitalis which i thought was too big. totally hospital was a different issue. but i'll go back to the question i asked earlier. benefit been working to

the poor and uninsured, we know the -- senatortion for landrieu, when she was taking taxpayer pay for charter flights events, who there.ed >> senator, a dress that point, that it was a vote not so much against the idea a veterans as what david vitter overblown veterans hospital. l.s.u.oted against the complex, that was when he was a legislator, i didn't say when he was in congress. now he shows up to take credit for helping concerns. the fight toead build two new clinics in lafayette and lake charles. i really want to get back to this issue of truthfulness. to have an tub in a minute for to you ask a question of one another. pie chart ofup a how we spend our money in america. is, these numbers will

change slightly. this is president obama's proposed 2015 budget. estimates on federal debt that higher than that. what we you get to think of as the rest of the government, nasa, the c. d. c., it's 11% orvice, so. there were times when the deficits were going crazy, and thisly portion here didn't equal the deficit. respond that may i the republicans don't want to fix that because they want to

continue to give tax cuts to people that make over a million dollars. ony want to find a space that pie chart to to cut out for pay foriends and not and it run up the debt. they also brought us we need to work together. he wants to raise social security to age 70. i am not going to do that. people cannot work until 70 years old lifting heavy objects even inside a hospital or a restaurant. he voted for it four times. i'm not going to do it. there are other ways to solve this problem. and let me say the annual deficit under president obama has been reduced to 50%. >> but isn't that partly because the deficit ballooned so greatly in his first year? >> not necessarily, no. no, it has not. >> the stimulus package --

>> the stimulus package lifted it up but it is still going down over time because of a revived economy and good budgeting. we do have a debt problem but raising the social security age to 70. let me get congressman cassidy to respond. >> i had many patients and the only thing they have was their markte and their social security. my mother is 91 and lives with me. i understand the importance of these safety net programs. my commitment to you is to work to preserve and strengthen these programs. now, the problem is that obamacare, which senator land rue voted for would not have $716 without her, cut a billion out of medicare to spend it on obamacare. we've got to do something or medicare and social security will go bankrupt. and when that happens the benefits that you are receiving will decrease by as much as

25%. louisiana's own senator, 20 some years ago, came up with a plan for medicare which on a bipartisan basis has been brought forward again. if you want to keep medicare exactly as you have it now, you can. but if you go into this new program the cbo estimates it saves money for the beneficiary and prolongs the life of the trust fund. >> i gave you both a little leeway. >> i wanted to respond. the $750 billion document or number that he suggested was support bid both republicans and democrats. the money was waste and inefficiency. it went back into the medicare program as he knows for a fact to strengthen medicare. it still does not excuse his wanting to solve that problem not on the backs of the koch brothers, not on the backs of

the billionaires but the poor and the elder ray raising the social security age to 70. it is wrong. there are other things that we can do. >> it's a matter of fact that the money was not put back into the medicare trust fund. the money was spent on obamacare. my team will tweet that out right now. it doesn't have to be he's not telling the truth and i am. we'll tweet it out and you can see it just like that video of chuck todd. >> let me ask you this and maybe we can try to do this as quickly as possible. give me your view of what tax reform might look like. would it be revenue neutral? >> it can't be because we need more revenues coming into the federal government. the revenues make up a percentage of the federal government at the lowest rate since world war ii. when our budget was balanced it was about 21%. the last time we had a balanced budget. that's the problem with republicans. they continue to cut programs

for everyone for the low income for the middle class and then turn around and give tax cuts to the wealthy. we have to do both. we have to add more money to the overall pot and then we fraud take out waste and abuse and do it efficiently not by sequester. >> congressman, the senator says we don't have enough money. >> she's already voted with barack obama and she supports the president 79% of the time. she -- 97% of the time. >> give me a few words your version of what tax reform would look like. >> senator land rue said she favors tax reform but only if she raises taxes by another trillion. what the president's bipartisan debt commission suggested is we do away with loopholes, broaden the amount of money being taxed and lower the rates. you lower rates but create more revenue from the president's own bipartisan debt commission that's a good idea. >> i didn't say to completely

only solve the problem by raising revenues. every independent group that looks at this says it has to be a combination of additional revenues by shutting down offshore loopholes which he supports and many people in the republican party. you can also take out waste and fraud and abuse. and then cut the budget as well as raising revenues. i did not say we solve it by adding money alone. >> what would you cut? >> there are a number of things we can reduce. we reduce the waste and fraud in medicare and put it back in medicare to strengthen it. that was something that john mccain and your leaders in the republican party supported. to was a bipartisan effort try to take out some waste and fraud and abecause, put it back in the program and strengthen it. but i am not going to stand here and allow them to continue to give tax break after tax break for people that make over $1 million a year. and then put the burden on the

people in louisiana who have incomes of 50, 60, 70, $80,000. >> if i may respond to that. senator land rue is the one who voted for $1.6 trillion in new taxes supporting barack obama 97% of the time. i have opposed all those taxes. you can decide for yourself who is sticking up for the middle class. >> let's go to greg with a witter question. >> will you support drug testing for welfare recipients? senator land rue first. >> i have voted -- i think, for drug testing. but you might want to ask for drug testing for people who have special contracts or for other people that get special benefits from the government. i just don't think that picking

on welfare the population of welfare is right and is appropriate. so if other people that get special tax breaks from the government or other subdisfrom the got want to also be drug tested i think that would be fine. but beating up on the poor is not going to solve the problems of our country. educating people, giving them access to higher education, working for jobs for the middle class. and this beating up on the poor and blaming them for the problems of the world are really it's not right. i guess my catholic faith just really comes out. it's just not right. >> how exactly would it be beating up on the poor? because most people have to get a drug test before they get a job and that would be their source of income. >> i didn't say i would oppose it. it has to be allocated fairly. i'm not talking about jobs. you're talking about a government subsidy. >> which is basically their primary source of income. >> but you're comparing apples

to oranges. one is a job. the other is a government subsidy. there are many people who get government subsidies. many. film industry gets government subsidies, millionaires get government subsidies. so if you want to put everybody that gets a government subsidy and drug test them fine. i don't have a problem with it. but comparing a government program to a job are two different things. >> in the house we voted to allow states to begin pilot programs. if there's an able bodied result receiving food stamps the state would be able to put in a pilot program in which they would be able to do drug testing. there's some evidence out there that people who can't hold a job do go on public assistance do get on drugs. and because they never pass a drug test they never get off of public assistance. that is unfair to hard-working taxpayers. but i will also say the doctor who has been working the public hospital system for 25 years

also say it's unfair to the person. to enable them to continue in a self-destructive lifestyle. at some point government becomes the problem. if you give an individual accountability and couple that with an ability to move out of that lifestyle you save their lives. it is generous to them to allow them to move to another level. and that requires accountability. >> let me just say this. it is outrageous to suggest that people that are receiving food supplementing for their children are drug abusers. there is no evidence to suggest that that particular group of people use drugs any more than anyone else. it is outrageous rhetoric and it is not going to solve any problems. should people be responsible in their life? yes. should wealthy people be responsible in their life? yes. middle class people and the poor. but they're beating up and

demeaning a person that is just in between work or a woman who went bankrupt because she couldn't get health insurance because he wouldn't give it to her or a person or a family that should get health insurance but because he and bobby jindal said no they have insurance for themselves and their children. they said no to 252,000 working people. >> let's get a response -- >> and they get food stamps and now he wants to drug test them. it's outrageous. >> we'll get a response and move on -- >> yes, you did. >> senator land rue firs began by saying that she thinks she voted for drug testing. when i say the house allowed states to do a pilot program in which able bodied adults would have the opportunity to have this level of accountability we began to hear all these terrible things. no, we're trying to protect hard working taxpayers and also

bring a measure of accountability. i'm all for caring for poor folks. i've been doing it for 25 years in the charity hospital. i'm very aware of their struggles. >> we have to move ofpblet >> continuing along that line with health care. congressman cassidy let's start with you. i want to backtrack a little bit to the affordable care act. there's some parts of obamacare that are popular with many voters including coverage for preexisting conditions and also the ability to keep your student whose 26 or under on your health insurance. if the affordable care act is ever repealed, would you at least be willing to support those provisions that are so popular? >> the provision for someone 26 and younger to stay on their parents was actually originally a republican idea. so there are portions of the health care bill that can we repurposed but the underlying premise of obamacare is that government knows best.

that government should be able to tell us how to live our lives. now, i've learned working in the public hospital system that when the patient has the power the system serves the patient. but when the bureaucrat or the politician has the power it lines up to serve the bureaucrat or the politician. a good example of that is the phoenix v.a. where allegedly administrators were cooking the books so that they would continue to get their bonuses even though veterans were dying prematurely. the simple premise of obamacare is that government can tell you what benefits to have therefore how much to pay. i spoke to a family their premium has gone from $12,000 to $21,000 and now they have a 20% increase upon that. they are insurance poor because obamacare says that government knows best. government does not know best >> i am -- >> cynthia has a slightly different version of the question. >> i do and it's touching on the topic that congressman cassidy just started on.

on the other side of that there are a lot of people who feel that they are now forced into a situation where they are overinsured and paying for coverage that they don't necessarily need or want. what do you say to those people whose premiums have gone through the roof? >> first of all, let me say this. no law is perfect. i have said that i voted for this affordable care act because it was much better than the system that we had, which was government including the federal government having soaring rising never ending costs and people dropping insurance because they couldn't afford it. that was happening before the affordable care act. so what i've said is i voted for the affordable care act. it should be improved. but the congressman misleads everyone when he says this is a government-run system. it is a private sector public-private partnership where people can choose the insurance in places that it has

been put in place by republican governors and democratic governors and the health care has been expanded. it is working. for the first time in our country costs are coming down and in louisiana what he doesn't say is 88% of the people in our state qualify for subsidy. they're paying an average of $89 a month. so it is a perfect law no but it is much better than people taking medical bankruptcy or mothers having to choose between getting a mammogram and taking scare of their breast cancer or feeding their children are paying rent. it is an awful system that he supports and we're not going to go back to that. >> your time has expired. congressman. >> the gallup had a poll today because under obamacare the deductibles are so high an individual can have a deductible of $6,000 that they found in this gallup poll -- you can google it -- >> that people are foregoing

needed care now than before obamacare. get that. >> let me -- >> gallups poll show that because presumably these deductibles proposed in the article cannot afford it. but it is a policy that if you don't take you're going to be fined. the government is going to tell you what you have to have, how much you have to pay. and if you don't get that policy 1% of your income or a set amount of dollars will be taken from you. that is government-run -- >> that -- >> hold on. i want in sheeveporlt the other day and a woman came up and wrapped her arms around me to say i want to thank you. for the first time in my life -- i have been working here for 12 or 15 years, have inshurens. i only pay $150 a month. so for some people it's working very well. do we have to fix it?

can we tweak it? yes. but all he's voted for is repeal 50 times. we need to fix it, not repeal it. and i am proud to have tried to help everyone, the poor, the middle class, and the wealthy, get insurance particularly because he and bobby jindal closed the public hospital. >> let's move on. >> it's been widely reported that america's infrastructure is crumbling talking mainly highways and bridges. in fact i believe it's 1 out of every 9 bridges structurally deficient. i say that because louisiana is $12 billion behind in bridge and roadway repairs. i get that from the senate transportation committee chair. the primary source is the gasoline tax that hasn't been raised since 1993. do we need to raise this? if not where does the money come from? and we begin with senator land rue. >> one of the bills that i've already passed that will fix some of the problem at least in

louisiana is the gulf of mexico energy security act which for the first time gives louisiana a portion of offshore oil and gas revenues that are used to secure our coast to rebuild our marsh which is eroding and can be used for energy infrastructure. so i've thought about this a long time and tried to bring and have been successful in bringing money to louisiana. we should look at the gasoline tax. i'm not prepared to say raise it tonight. but additional funding has to be brought in to fix this infrastructure. but let me tell you where $800 million is lying on the table right now which my opponent won't vote for and that is the marketplace fairness act collecting the sales tax on online purchases. the chamber of commerce, the business counsel, shopping centers. small businesses, are put at a deficit disadvantage. so if you're looking for income, which he is probably not going to support any of

because he just wants to talk about infrastructure but do nothing about it. if you're looking for income i suggest we go to marketplace -- >> your time has expired. let me go to congressman cassidy. >> republicans have already proposed that we would expand drilling in the outer continental shelf and a certain percentage would be put into infrastructure. it's not paying at the pump it's paying at the well head. one, it generates dollars to put into the highway transportation fund which would create jobs. it would also increase the amount of drilling in the outer continental shelves because states would be able to keep a portion of that money. now, the senate, the democrats in the senate oppose the bill and they didn't want drilling to happen off the atlantic coast, for example. unfortunately, some of those who led the charge are people whom senator land rue has given a substantial amount of campaign contributions towards. over the last six or seven years senator land rue has given $400,000 in campaign

contributions to people like robert menendez who led the charge against drilling. if we can pass that dedicate some of the royalties to building highways we can create jobs and build highways. >> can i respond to robert menendez and clear his name, please? robert menendez does not support drilling off the coast of new jersey. if he is waiting for people in new york and new jersey to drill to build our highways we'll be building a long time. but you know what bob menendez did do? to save 450,000 people from having their insurance rates go through the sky. so you should thank senator menendez and not criticize him for doing something that your leadership wouldn't do. >> i thank robert menendez because what he got passed in -cassidy e the grim amendment so premiums would not go through the roof. he used my bill to save you money. secondly, i can say that he is

trying to ban billing off the entire atlantic coast not just new jersey and new york but also virginia. virginians want that drilling. it creates jobs, creates money to build roots. >> we've reached the point where we come to a question from each of the candidates to one another. and by luck of the draw that comes first from congressman cassidy to senator land rue. >> senator land rue, recently you said before that you would vote for obamacare again tomorrow. jonathan gruber who has been described as the architect of obama care, the guy that wrote it, recently said oven several videos that he considered the american people stupid as they wrote the law in such a way as to raise taxes on the middle class, basically forcing people out of the policies that they were told they could keep if they wished. and he just said just credit it to the stupidty of the american voter. first, when did you know that mr. gruber and the obama

administration wrote this to deceive the american people? and now that you know it would you still vote for obamacare tomorrow? >> i would say to dr. cassidy if he didn't have this issue to talk about he wouldn't have any issue to talk about. that's all he's talked about this whole campaign. let me just say again this law is not perfect. it needs to be fixed. it needs to be improved but it is betser than the system that we had. and mr. gruber was not the first person. mitt romney, the presidential candidate for the republican party instituted a version of the affordable care act in meas. the affordable care act was modeled after a heritage foundation report and the full implementation of the massachusetts plan. and it has proven to work. it is not working in louisiana because bobby jindal and bill cassidy are standing in the way but it is working in arkansas, it is working in california, it is working in new york. and the saddest thing is that

our state the people of our state who need it the most who are poor than connecticut and new york have to pay for everybody else to be able to go see their doctor and get their -- >> your time has expired. let me let the congressman respond. >> my question was not ansd. when did did you understand that jonathan gruber has purposefully written this to deceive the people? and would you vote for it tomorrow? >> i don't read what he says. i don't talk to him. i talk to my constituents and my constituents that i've represented for 18 years were tired of not being able to afford insurance. tired of waiting eight hours in an emergency room. tired of having to choose between their rent their food and their health care. tired of seeing people take bankruptcy. as a doctor you should know this. it is heart breaking to me that he would claim to be a doctor for the poor but yet when they come to him begging for hem he closes the door in their face

and says no. and then he says his own paycheck -- it is outrageous. >> let me give the congressman to respond. >> i hope people will look into the record. >> i'm not sure senator land rue yet opened this because he did write it to deceive us saying that we were too stooped to catch it. now we know that was the intent of the writers would you still vote for it again tomorrow. >> i think we've established that we're not going to get the answer -- >> i don't read what he says. >> everybody can decide whose answer they like. you have a question. i think this is doctor double dip or something. i saw your notes. >> yes, it is. did you fill out records that you were supposed to fill out for the 20,000 that you received annually for five years which is over $100,000 a year?

did you fill out those records? >> first it's not over $100,000 a year. >> over five years. >> i filled out the records. whenever you go to clinic you fill out charts and you sign sheets and everybody knows where you are. that said, i've made multiple statements regarding this as has my direct supervisor and whatever i've said has been twisted and misconstrued. i truly have been trying to help the uninsured and poor for the last 25 years never shutting the door on them but going out of my way to help. now, senator land rue may not care for that. again, obamacare has not been the answer for many people. so me doing this has -- it's a privilege to do it. i hope to continue to do it. but if not -- >> i need to respond to that. >> but that said, i will go back. if what senator land rue wants is transparency then i will ask the question again. when i treat patients in the public hospital system clearly those patients benefit.

when she takes chartered jets on taxpayer dime to campaign events who benefits? >> i want to respond because i hate to use this word but i have to. that is a blatant lie. the sheets that we have that have given out to the public your signature is not on them. there are 16 that have been released to the public. his signature is not on many of them. and the signature that is on some of them is questionably not his. the records were not completed. they were not filed. i don't know anyone in this state that works on salary for $20,000, 40,000, 100,000 that doesn't have to do the work to receive the check. there are no records. he said he would keep the records. these e-mails have been given out. it is public knowledge. so i think that you owe the taxpayers an explanation for why you took $174,000 which is your salary plus $20,000 plus

we believe -- and until we get all the records -- they also paid for his medical malpractice. he is the only doctor in the congress that has this sweetheart deal. the only one. >> again i've been making multiple comments and my boss has as well where she has twisted around to put in the worst possible light. but again for the 25 years i've been caring for the people in the hospital for the uninsured for the poor if we want transparency we can say who has benefited. in my case it's my patients. i'll return to my question for senator land rue when she takes chartered jets that we pay for to campaign events who benefited from that? >> let's move on and we'll go to cynthia for our next question. >> let's talk straight to the heart of the american people where they live. the average american is struggling to pay the bills, to keep a roof over their heads and put their kids through college. what are you saying to the

person sitting out there right now who perhaps is watching this debate and is really struggling with those issues? congressman cassidy, let's begin with you. >> there's so many families struggling right now and we all feel for that. again, i see that in my practice. and many times they're struggling because of the obama and land rue agenda. for example, obamacare, now, senator land rue says i bring it up often because it is so pr vasive in our society. east baton la rouge parish will no longer allow a substitute teacher to work more than 30 hours a week because they don't want the penalties associated with obamacare. lincoln parish reduced workers from full time to part time because they cannot afford the cost of obamacare. statically the lowest fifth of people earning wages have suffered under the president's

law. his appointees who senator land rue votes for every one of them are trying to kill our oil and gas related jobs to bring prosperity to families have been struggling. the government has been the obama-land rue agenda has been part of that problem. we need to reverse that. >> as chair of the energy committee and now as ranking member if i'm reelected to the senate, i have spent a great deal of time helping to build energy jobs in this country. i believe that america is on the verge of being energy independent which is why i fought so hard for the keystone pipeline. the republican leadership could not get that up for a vote. i did. i wish it would have passed. but we got it up for a vote in the senate and that is the leadership that i bring. when i get back to the senate we will pass the keystone pipeline. that is important because it will signal energy jobs for america. and these jobs are not minimum wage jobs. for the people struggling at home looking for work many of these are labor unions that supported the keystone

pipeline. in addition, i support full access to colleges and universities. my opponent will not support an increase in the health plan. he has not -- >> your time has expired. >> ten seconds. he will not support the pell grant increase, reduce loans to students. not only does he block the door to hospitals and health care as a doctor but he also stands in the way of colleges and universities. he has joined governor jindal $700 million in reduction. rur your time has expired. i'm going to give my producer a coronary but the state department says the key stone pipeline is 42,000 construction jobs and 50 permanent jobs. certainly there will be answer larry jobs in there. is it really that big a deal? what is the fuss about? because directly no direct jobs in the study for louisiana. >> let me respond to that. let me respond to that.

>> 30 seconds. >> it is a big deal. it needs to be built because ts a symbol of america's commitment to build the infrastructure necessary. we can find all the oil and gas we want. we can find be -- but if we can't transport it, move it from where it's found to where it needs to be then we are not going to be energy independent. that's why there's such a big fight about it. and it is important. >> congressman. >> first i will say keystone bill did pass one chamber of commerce that is the cassidy bill that passed and senator land rue could not get it through the senate. keystone is important. my dad moved to louisiana in his late 40's did not have a college education. he sold life insurance to people who worked in the petro chemical plant. we need the jobs. but it's not just the 50. it is someone like my dad who serves those who has those jobs. in so doing he creates a prosperous life for his family. i can tell you, it is more than the -- it is the 40,000 construction which is huge.

it is more than the 50 permanent. >> we have 45 seconds for the next question. >> dealing with the second amendment rights. the wake of the school shooting in newtown, connecticut, where a semi-automatic weapon was used to kill 26 students and teachers. tell me your stance on gun ownership beyond basic handgun to protect your home or shot gub to go hunting with. >> 45 seconds. >> i support the second amendment and i support people's rights to have guns to protect themselves. and would support some of those type of guns that were used. what i have voted for which is common sense supported by 90% of the people even in our state is to close the loophole so people with mental illness or criminals cannot get easy access to those guns. i voted for what we call the too manyy-manchen amendment. it is to close a loop hole that

needs to be closed. i support gun ownership and i support the second amendment. >> congressman. >> i have an a-plus from the nra, senator land rue has a d. sandy hook would not have been prevented by the toomy-mantion bill. people who are mentally ill or criminals would not have looked at the handbook. the better way to address those issues are to address the issues of mental illness and i have a passion for this. families almost every family watching has somebody connected to their family who has a problem with mental illness. we need to respond to that with compassion but we also need to recognize that the way to prevent sandy hook wasn't mantion, toomy. it wouldn't have stopped it. it is to address the underlying issue. >> let me ask this a little change of pace. given louisiana's colorful history, who is your favorite

louisiana political figure or public figure in louisiana from the past and why? in 30 seconds. >> i think mike foster did a great job. mike foster created the community college system which really gave opportunity for folks trying to move to the next level of their education. also a good deal for the state. saved some money. mike foster run an honest administration put in some good government initiatives. did agree with everything? of course not. if you look at the legacy he did, it is a great legacy. >> senator land rue. >> i would have to say of course lindy boggs who was a great mentor and wonderful friend and her grace and her strength has really inspired women and men actually in public office. she served with dignity and integrity and i just think that our state has been blessed by her leadership. we miss her. and she just did a marvelous job. >> thank you. our final question from greg. >> last time i asked both of

you about a personal setback and what you did to overcome it. this time let's talk about your professional career. what has been your greatest mistake in your professional career and what did you learn from it? >> i have given several speesms that didn't turn out very well. and one in particular that i can remember when i was a young legislator and i've never forgotten to be prepared and to not take anything for granted, and to be prepared and i've -- that stayed with me and i've tried in all of my public presentations to provide good information. it was a horrible experience. it was terribly embarrassing. and it served me well to learn to be able to be prepared, know your material, and show up and debate. that would be it. >> congressman. >> i have to laugh. i'm a big believer that all things work for the good who love the lord.

so in retro spekt maybe it wasn't a bad problem. i was at a conference speaking about vaccine. i was supposed to speak for 20 minutes, i spoke for four. i spoke so fast. needless to say i never got invited back. on the other hand, it created a possibility to serve my state and our country in public office. so i do think maybe there was as my career that sort of electric trur ended it perhaps opened up the opportunity to serve in another means. it has been an incredible opportunity to serve as a members of congress. >> mine was almost triple over the leg on the monitor when i walked back. we have reached the point in our debate we come to a one-minute closing argument. congressman cassidy goes first. >> families are struggling.

and they're struggling because of the obama-land rue agenda. obama care is just one example. we were told we could keep our inshuren if we wished and we have not been able to increased in some cases by 300%. you cannot keep your doctor. people have had their full-time job decreased to part time or lost altogether. e.p.a. regulations are coming to our jobs. and then the agenda extends beyond to taking away our second amendment rights. we need -- it doesn't surprise us. senator land rue supports barack obama 97% of the time. if you want a senator who will work to repeal and replace obamacare with something which will give you the power, fight against these job-killing regulations and will protect your rights, then vote bill cassidy. if senator represents barack obama i represent you.

i ask for your vote this coming saturday. >> there's a clear contrast in this election. my opponent that has spent 18 months hiding from the voters and now will not submit records of his double-dipping from a public hospital where he padded his own salary at taxpayer expense over $100,000. and will not fess up and will not own up. he is going to be fighting for than president obama if he gets elected which i doubt. he will be fighting subpoenas because this is going to be under investigation. the contrast is a senator that has worked for 18 years honestly with integrity delivering for every part of this state. he has been very disrespectful to the president and to the office of the president. we need someone who will respect all views, go to washington, and work for the betterment of this state on energy, education, and on health care. i ask for your vote. i thank you for your conversation. >> all right. senator land rue, congressman

cassidy thank you for joining us this evening. the election is this saturday. thank you for watching. nd good night. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014]

>> this weekend we partnered with time warner cable to visit waco, texas. turning over the b sides of the 45's that we received. now, first off, gospel music was not widely heard in the white community. it would only be the hits, if that. but the b or flip side would be heard even less. what we discovered quickly how many of the b side songs were directly related to the civil

rights movement. there's data basis, we didn't know the sheer number of song that is had very overt songs like there ain't no segregation in heaven. type songs. at a time when possessing one of those songs much less singing it was a very dangerous thing in the deep south. singing that sort of song out loud that's a risk. >> the texas ranger hall of fame was set up in 1976 for the 175th anniversary of the rangers and honors at this point 30 rangers who made mageclr tributions to the service or gave their lives under heroic circumstances. we have paintings or portraits of all of those rangers. they really begin with austin. austin was very successful with his rangers. they fought not only managed to

make the area reasonably safe for settlement from indian raids but when the texas war for independence broke out the rangers played a major role in texas gaining its independence by saving off the mexican army long enough to allow the colonists to build their own army and develop a strategy. and as a result, texas became its own independent nation. the republic of texas for about ten years. congressman jeffries of new york led the 1 hour 15 minutes special order speeches. e and ex remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. jeffries: hands up, don't

shoot. it's a rallying cry of people all across america who are fed .p with police violence in community after community after community. fed up with police violence in rguson in brooklyn, in cleveland, in oakland, in cities and counties and rural communities all across america. and so tonight, the c.b.c. will stand on the floor of the house of representatives and for the next of minutes speak on the -- for the next 60 minutes, speak on the top exof black in america. what does ferguson say about where we are and where we need to go? people are fed up all across

america because of the injustice involved in continuing to see young, unarmed african-american of a lled as a result gunshot fired by a law enforcement officer. people in america are fed up with a broken criminal justice totem that continues to fail deliver accountability when law enforcement officers engage in the excessive use of police force. people are fed up with prosecutors who don't take seriously their obligation to deliver justice on behalf of the victims of police violence.

instead, as we recently saw down in ferguson, missouri, choose to act as a defense attorney for the law enforcement officer who pulled the trigger and killed michael brown. people are fed up. this is a problem that congress can't run away from and the c.b.c. stands here today to make sure that congress runs toward the problem. that we come up with constructive solutions to breaking this cycle, this epidemic, this scourge of police violence all across america. so i'm pleased today that we've been joined by several of our distinguished colleagues, including the chair of the congressional black caucus who for the last two years has led the charge on behalf of the c.b.c. in dealing with issues of social and racial and economic

justice, i'm proud to serve under her, i'm proud that she's on the floor today, we're thankful for her service, and let me now yield to the distinguished gentlelady from cleveland, congresswoman marcia fudge. ms. fudge: thank you very, very much. i thank you, congressman jeffries, for leading the congressional black caucus special order hour for the 113th congress, for your weekly advice, your weekly message, i thank you. we owe you a debt of gratitude. it is a pleasure to have worked with you for the last two years. mr. speaker, we are running out of patience. last week, the nation waited and hoped that justice would finally be served in the case of michael brown. we waited to hear our country say loud and clear, there are cons agains for taking the lives of others. we waited to hear some reassurance that black and brown

boys' lives do matter. but again, we are terribly disappointed and discouraged. the ferguson grand jury's decision not to indict officer wilson was another slap in our face. it was a painful reminder that just like with trayvon martin and so many others that law enforcement officers feel that our -- kill black and brown boys without repercussions. while some see it as the system working as it should, others see it as a blatant miscarriage of justice. where is the closure for michael brown's parents? for the he closure outrage of the black community? that we remain mired in racial issues in 2014 is an

embarrassment. we should consider taking a long look in the mirror before we go to other countries lecturing them about the need for democracy in politics, when here at home we are unable to fully address our own issues. mr. speaker, the house is not in order. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman is correct. the house will be in order. please proceed. ms. fudge: if we are to learn anything from the tragic death of michael brown, we must first acknowledge that we have a race issue we are not addressing. we must have open, honest, transparent conversations about prejudice, racism and racial threats. we must also lead conversations with law enforcement about transparency, accountability and police and community -- and community policing. i want to thank the president today for once again putting a focus on the need for community policing in our country. mr. speaker, all lives have value. as members of congress it is our responsibility to clearly communicate this message to our

voters, our constituents, and our neighbors. mr. speaker, enough is enough. i yield back. mr. jeffries: i thank the chair for her eloquent remarks. people have asked all over the country, in some corners, perhaps in congress and this city, why are people upset? well, you had an unarmed dividual, michael brown, who had no criminal record, just graduated from high school, on his way to college, killed in what appears to be the excessive lieof police force, left to in the hot august sun for 4 1/2 hours. the immediate response by the police chief is to engage in character assassination of the deceased while refusing to release the name of the officer who pulled the trigger.

the ferguson police department responds as if this was a military campaign on foreign soil, not in an american city. the prosecutor decides to get involved and does a document dump. doesn't engage in responsible prosecutorial behavior, fails to ask for specific charge. allows the officer to testify unabated, doesn't point out inconsistencies between his initial telling of the events on that fateful day and what he said before the grand jury. and then announces all of this late at night and behaves as if he was the defense attorney for darren wilson. why are people upset? those are just a few of the reasons. it's my honor to yield time now to the distinguished delegate from the district of columbia, representative eleanor holmes norton.

ms. norton: i want to thank my good friend for his leadership this evening, it's the kind of leadership he has provided since he has come to the congress and for the critique he has just offered. but i come to the floor this afternoon to try to convert that critique into an understanding of the big picture. demonstrations have been going on even though we're days away from when the indictment did not come down. why in a country where you haven't seen demonstrations a-- you have been seeing demonstrations across the united states for some time, why have demonstrations of young people broken out all across america? there is a message here that comes from the demonstrations and from the words of the

parents of michael brown. his father pleaded that michael brown not have died in vain. people in the streets are there to see that michael brown has not died in vain. that proximate cause once again becomes color blind. to see that when a young black is os into the street, he not consistently and constantly profiled because of the color of his skin. that emonstrations show and issue, detention stopping of black men, especially black men, in the streets, has been simmering

below the surface. until this tragedy became a way for it to find an outlet. the provocative stop in the streets, eric holder, a former u.s. attorney, now the attorney general of the united states, has been stopped in the streets of the nation's capital and i say to my friends, this is a progressive city. i cannot imagine what it must be like across the united states. a young black man in st. louis held up a poster which is all about the big picture. it said, we are all mike brown. when my son go into the street, he is michael brown. we want america so that when he go into the street he's like everybody else until he does

something wrong and there's proximate cause to show it. that does not occur in any city, in any small hamlet of the united states today, and so yes, this great tragedy has become a vehicle to express that grievance. there are things that can be done, the president has just come forward with a request for n appropriation for cameras, $260 million. they work. we have found that when police have body cameras, they protect the police as well as protect members of the public. so as we come to grips with the fact that there was no bill new york indictment, i hope we will not lose our focus on the big picture that we are in essence sending a message to police

departments all over the united states, even though you think you may not be doing it, what we're talking about is endemic throughout the united states. people are laying down in peaceful protest, yes, they're blocking the streets, when i was a youngster in the civil rights movement, we tried not to inconvenience people but this is a whole different day and they never-before-seen draw the attention of the entire public nd yes, of police around the united states, to just how much of a festering sore this has been. so i thank my good friend from new york for leading this special order, i thank the chair of the congressional black caucus for leading us off tonight, and in the spirit of michael brown's father, who asked that his son not have died in vain, let us make sure that we support the president's request for pilot programs for

body cameras, that you send that message back home to your police departments and we work together to make proximate cause color blind. i thank my good friend from new york. mr. jeffries: we're here as a members of the congressional a black caucus to have an open, honest and direct dialogue with america. and in a democracy, there has to be a balance between effective law enforcement on the one hand and a healthy respect for the constitution and the civil rights of others, particularly african-americans, on the other. if we're honest, we haven't gotten that balance right. and as a result we see young, unarmed, innocent african-american men gunned down in city after city in america and we're here to say enough is enough. i'm pleased now to yield to

someone who has served this institution incredibly well as a member of congress, served the country well as a member of the military, the lion of lennox avenue, the distinguished gentleman from the great state of new york, and the village of harlem, representative charlie rangel. mr. rangel: i never felt more proud of my colleague from new york for the great leadership that he's provided since his arrival in this august body. this is such a great country and i love it so much. i was raised in the shadow of the statue of liberty and when i graduated from law school, having been the only one in my family having gone to college,

i think my mother said, thank you, jesus, and i said something like thanks for the constitution and thanks for being born in america. like anything else you love, if there's an illness, if there's a problem, you would want to know what can you do to cure it? how can you make it all that our country can be? how can we say that we have a cancer until we recognize that then we don't really love our country? how can we be able to say that white and black in this country are equal and that those who work hard and live by the rules have the same opportunities as each other when we know that we have this cancer that sometimes we're able to make the country do a lot better than it has

since our people were the only ones that were actually brought here in chains, but i marched from selma to montgomery and things that i never had the opportunity to dream because equality never was on the list in my community. but if as a result of this i've been able to live long enough to see african-american men and women be elected to local and state offices around this untry, to come here and join with nine african-american embers of congress in 1970 and to walk tall and know that in that short period of time we've grown to over 40, 45 members of congress, does that mean that we've rid ourselves of the cancer?

i think not. and how can we do it? by admitting that we do have that problem. because whether we're talking bout ferguson or harlem or somewhere else, until we admit that we have this illness and we have this problem, then singling out the success of ome of us in this country does not heal the wounds that have been left through the centuries f racial hatred and prejudice. we've been able to say we were freed by the emancipation proclamation, but the truth of the matter is, our people have been enslave -- in slavery more than we've been so-called free people. and the fact that they said that you were no longer a slave didn't mean that you were an american, with all the rights and the privileges of it. and it hasn't been that long

that i can remember my grandfather from virginia talking about innocent people being lynched in virginia. and it hasn't been that long that our people have been granted the constitutional right to what? to vote. and it hasn't been that long ago that -- even said that our schools should be desegregated or the military desegregated. d until we reach the point that african-american parents don't have to tell their kids to act differently just because of their color, that they have to succumb to the type of conduct that you teach on one hand be a man and stand up for your rights, but if he's in uniform, then beg and plead and don't move, don't say anything that might irritate him -- i think, i r