and jim mcdermott of washington state on efforts to negotiate federal funding to the end of the year. host: good morning, everyone. president obama on monday held a series of meetings to discuss possible reforms and it easing mistrust toward police. monday, eric holder announced his intention to put out new guidelines on racial profiling. was talkinggton about problems and solutions, we

want to get your take. new phone lines for you today. we fourth line this morning for law enforcement. how to rebuild trust between police and communities. you can also weigh in on social .edia here is a little bit from president obama yesterday at the white house. talking about this issue of trust. [video clip] distrust between too many police departments and too many communities of color.

that in a country where one of our basic principles is equality under the individuals,many particularly young people of color, do not feel as if they are being treated fairly. when any part of the american family does not feel like it is being treated fairly, that is a problem for all of us, not just a problem for some, not just a problem for a particular community or demographic. it means we are not as strong as a country as we can be. it means we are not as effective at fighting crime as we can be. as a consequence of what i have

been able to do today, thanks to ,xcellent work by eric holder process in which we are able to have a between law enforcement, community activists, academics, elected .fficials to try to determine what the problems are and try to come up with concrete solutions that can move the ball forward. president obama about race relations in the country yesterday. we turn to all of you to get your take. what can be done to rebuild this trust? twitter.ns on

this is what they have been saying about the situation in ferguson. also, senator rand paul. showing there a link to this abc photo of a police man hugging a young black man. then, representative steve stockman. those are some thoughts from republicans on twitter. tim in gainesville, florida.

caller: good morning. in because illing wanted to speak to president obama, someone who i love and voted for twice. he isncouraged that standing up with the community of american citizens and saying that he wants to be with us on these issues. what i would like to say to him also is that i feel there is a need to address the issue of .iolence we need to focus on this issue across the country. it should have happened from tucson to trayvon martin. i met with phil agnew and we talked about this. we need to have an executive branch conference to study reparations with john conyers.

violence in america. explain what you are talking about. is there a solution from the federal government? caller: absolutely. we should have had that gun bill passed. we should be talking about violence against women, against people who have different sexual orientations. all of this stuff needs to be on the table. the democrats do it much better. the republicans are against those measures. host: frank in atlanta. , we hearll too often that 99% of the police are good police officers. is that 99% ofee

good officers look the other way for that 1% of bad officers. there in lies the problem. host: what should be done about it? the military has a pretty good way of dealing with it. they root out bad soldiers. outl the police can root their own bad people, i don't see any changes. other% always look the way on the 1% of bad ones. what do you think about this idea of having body cameras videoice so that you have that shows how the police are acting? caller: they are a tool that can

help, but until police are able to root out their own bad cops, i don't see much change. far too often look the other way on the bad ones. until they can clean up their that theyand admit have problems in their own ranks, i don't see much change. we are getting your thoughts on how to rebuild trust between police and communities. president obama talked about it at the white house yesterday. eric holder was dispatched to atlanta. obama called on million to spend $263

for police body cameras and better training and more monitoring of military style equipment for police. that is in the "washington times." law enforcement, we want to hear from you as well. different phone lines for you this morning. the lines are open. , the congressional black caucus came to the floor to talk about ferguson. they spent an hour on the house giving speeches about what they would like to see done and what the problems are. this is the headline from the "national journal."

it was had by congressman jeffries from new york -- led by congressman jeffries from new york. [video clip] shoot.s up, don't the rallying cry of people all across america who are fed up with police violence and community after community after community. in up with police violence ferguson, brooklyn, cleveland, oakland, in cities and counties and rural communities all across america. , we will stand on the floor of the house of representatives and for the next 60 minutes we will speak on the

, whatblack in america does ferguson say about where we are and where we need to go? people are fed up all across injusticecause of the involved in continuing to see young, unarmed, african-american as a result of a gunshot fired by a law enforcement officer. new york democrat hakeem jeffries on the house floor last night talking about race in america. we are getting your thoughts on how to rebuild trust between police and communities. david is in new york. a republican. caller: just a quick comment.

there was one report, police --ations, traffic citations it shows you how different the economy is in ferguson. the economy drives all of these other issues. ,ntil you start to realize that more police are not the answer. they are crawling all over the city i live in. .here is an overreaction

we need to figure out a way to get america back to work. until then, this thing will never change. host: you think it is more of an economic issue. caller: if you want peace, you have to have prosperity. they go hand in hand. , it isvernment spending not going to fix this, it is going to make it worse. that is my comment. brian in pittsburg, kansas, independent. caller: good morning. old.1 years unit in a military police in the late 1960's, early 1970's. often, the officer involved

is not properly trained. the officer admitted he was scared. body, if properly trained, can take all kinds of punishment. the man had a nightstick, a taser. and he elected to shoot this kid. old.71 years this is thate of our young people are bombarded with the dazzling movies and video games about people going through all of this violence and surviving and happy. ands an unrealistic picture they don't have any life thatiences to tell them this is not so.

we have lost our moral issue. storeung man went in a and shoplifted. we all know that is wrong. but the end result, the tragic result, was that an untrained , a young officer who was a coward, scared to death, had no idea what to do, so he shot this young man multiple times. the man is dead. the grand jury said he was justified. i guarantee you that here in pittsburgh about three years ago -- i don't remember the race of the man -- he robbed a store, was hiding in a garage, he had a gun, he shot one of our pittsburgh police officers in the leg. they captured him. they did not shoot him. they captured that man.

the officer, it was a flesh wound in the leg. .e survived he is still on the police force in another city. host: what do you do? what is the solution? re-thinkumber one, what we are teaching kids. we need kids who have good nutrition, who have activities to keep them mentally and physically strong, we need police officers to realize that they are not drafted into this. they asked for the job. there are certain risks with it. anytime an officer with a gun shoot somebody and kills him, if they have a knife or whatever, in miami, oklahoma five years ago, a young man was mentally

challenged, he went into a convenience store with a hatchet. everybody knew him, he lived there all his life. host: i'm going to leave it there. i need to get some other voices in. talking about educating both the police and those in the community. "washington times" this morning. they report that the president, , the presidents ordered his advisers to draft an executive order to instruct the justice department to work with civil rights group, civil liberties advocates, and law to develop agencies recommendations for reforming police departments within 120 days.

president obama appointing a commission to look into police procedure and what can be done in 120 and 90 days. shirley, a republican. youer: i would like to tell that i am a 78-year-old woman, white woman. race, as far as i'm concerned, makes no difference. we have to have a certain amount of respect. , hee obama has got in there

has been one of the greatest dividers this country has ever known. i have never seen this country in the condition it is in today. we have to have a certain amount of respect for teachers, law enforcement. we have lost it because of people like cam. if i went into a store and rob that store and beat up the owner and i attacked a peace officer, i would not only expect to be think that iould should be shot. host: shop for shoplifting? -- you would expect to be shot for shoplifting? caller: this boy had done more than shoplift. host: how do you know? caller: he went out there and he attacked a police officer with no respect for the law. you have to have respect.

i was taught to respect my teachers, to respect those in authority, to respect other people. when you lose that respect, you do unnatural things. tennessee, a in republican. the homeland security secretary will be testifying before the homeland security committee about immigration and border security. "the washington times" reporting that president obama will veto any gop anti-amnesty bill. it says that the homeland security secretary will still -- tell the house that the president sees his move as a step toward reform, rather than a final step.

we will have coverage of that hearing this morning at 9:00 a.m. eastern time on c-span 3. jeh johnson on capitol hill. we will talk about that next. us. steve king joining we will then talk with jim mcdermott. another story for you. "politico" has this headline. the white house debated a ferguson trip. it, decided against thinking it would be too

disruptive. lenny in maryland. an independent. say thatet me first the problem in the black community is not about police, it is about kids being born to mothers that is not around. if they address that issue, that is a start. the cops come in to do their job. there is high unemployment, high crime in the black community. if they address that first, that is a start. unemployment is high. you have the president with open borders, signing this executive came herefolks that illegally. what is going to happen? the black community is going to increase, these illegal immigrants are going to get the jobs.

we need to address those issues before we put it on cops, put cameras on cops. host: a republican in dallas texas. caller: i'm retired. i spent 36 years in law enforcement. the hands up,out , politicians, athletes, spokespersons. it was pretty well proven by the grand jury that that never happened. strangeit is passing that we have seized on the situation in ferguson, missouri where this obvious criminal for thiser boy ongoing dialogue.

that is all i have to say. host: michael in north carolina. a democrat. caller: i appreciate your time. i have a question regarding the issue with the black emphasis and the predominant white police officers in black neighborhoods. there should be an investigation personal as to the connections with police officers, affiliations with groups like the kkk or neo-nazis. headline for you from "buzz feed." the ferguson business community

is frustrated by the unrest there. working in ferguson has never been more complicated. we will go to houston, texas. marina. caller: good morning. is reason why i am calling because i hear a lot of people who speculate and say different things. you have to be a mother or a parent in the shoes of losing a child. my son was sitting on the stoop at 6:00 in the morning in new orleans. the police picked him up, took , and tolde station him they were going to charge him with a brick of cocaine. they took my thigh different locations --so son to different locations so they could bust different units.

, my son wasys later murdered. the person who murdered my son had murdered seven people already. they said whatever because he was trying to respect them. i was a person of police profiling. i went to jail for nothing the whole time i was in new orleans. what do you think the solution is? should haveink they for bullyingly children in school, but the professional people should be held to a higher standard. there should be a bill for bullying professional people, to

police it. anything that is professional. when it comes to bullying, it stops. host: do you think they should go to the highest level? president obama? headline is that youth leaders urged him to be more up front on this issue of race. caller: i think that would help. what would really help is a bill to be pushed for bullying against professional people. they put my father in a ghetto nursing home. they did not give him his medication or anything.

he died 10 days later. this was a hospital. when it comes to professional people, they should be held to a higher standard. marina in was houston, texas. talking about the issue of racial profiling. eric holder was in atlanta at a baptist church and he talked about new guidelines he wants to put out on racial profiling. [video clip] >> i will announce updated justice department guidelines regarding profiling by federal law enforcement. [applause] this will institute rigorous new

standards and safeguards to help end racial profiling once and for all. host: attorney general eric holder in atlanta. he will be putting out new guidelines on racial profiling shortly, part of the solution to address this issue of mistrust between police and communities. we are getting your take. washington is talking about the issue. law enforcement, civil rights leaders, youth leaders, cabinet officials. phone lines are open. we have different lines with the new phone system. check those lines. other news. the front page of "usa today." they heard this case yesterday.

after an hour debate, it seems the most likely outcome would be to send the case back for a second trial. that is from "usa today." aboutobably also heard the republican aide on capitol hill who took to facebook with some very critical comments about the obamas' daughters at the turkey pardoning. the gop aide was forced to resign. she is now a footnote in stephen fincher's career.

in other news, some economic stories. front page of the "wall street journal." basic costs are squeezing families. below that story is this one. "dodgy home appraisals are making a comeback." front page of the "wall street journal." section.y" money 12 million click happy shoppers sent sales up 8% on cyber monday.

how to rebuild trust between police and communities. mark in san antonio, texas. a democrat. caller: how are you doing? host: what are your thoughts? caller: this just did not start with the obama administration. we can go back to 1980, back when the reagan administration was in office. the drug cartels or whatever. the united states. and then they started profiling against everybody. not just the black community. this is an american problem. i agree with the second call you had. the black community needs to get back into the church and have some spiritual and a bunch of other stuff needs to happen.

moviesok at all these and think they are supposed to live life like that. drivesmy neighbors around it nice cars. the other day, they tried to rob him. that is the lifestyle they laid. -- they lead. the police do things that are uncalled for. they need better training. we need to come together as a country. host: let's hear from joseph, a republican in pennsylvania. all, the ladyof from tennessee, i agree with her 100%. your citizens have to have respect for the law. if you try to get a gun from a police officer, i would expect that he is going to retaliate back. that is first and foremost.

, theof the other issues economic issues, the drug problems, it all leads to the violence and the disrespect for the law. i don't believe it is anything for any particular minority. i have respect for minorities. i would help anybody out if i could. i think first and foremost, you have got to have respect for the law. tose people react in ways defend themselves if they have to. host: ok. that is joseph, a republican in

pennsylvania. another headline from the "washington times." most of the top-tier candidates, from hillary clinton to ted cruz , have stayed quiet. that has left president obama most of the policy limelight on criminal justice reform. , st. louis, missouri, an independent. good morning. go ahead. all right. do we have jeff? ok. are you there? caller: yes, i am. i apologize.

i was just listening to the gentleman from pittsburg, kansas who called the officer a coward. there is a lot of disinformation out there. the police officer did not have a taser on him. if that is a mistake, perhaps it is. there is an african-american lawyer who continues to say he had his hands up when he was shot, the young man. same thing with mr. robinson, who was on this program. they said, there were conflicting accounts. the young man who said he raised his hands, they had to change that testimony. there is so much disinformation that has gone back and forth. what can you do about it?

give your children all the love you can. give them self-respect. give them the best education you can give them. those are the three best things you can. it is a tough row to hoe perhaps, in some neighborhoods, or anywhere. the misinformation is interesting. thanks a lot. issues. other this is from the opinion section of the "wall street journal." then you have the "washington post" on this issue with a headline about hillary rodham clinton and her noncommittal stance on environment.

was in new york yesterday. she appeared at a private fundraiser for mary landrieu. she did not mention the pipeline at the second event she was at. climate change talks have opened up. that is also a headline in the "washington post" this morning. the immediate challenge may be

to keep the negotiations from breaking down. that is happening this week. the u.n. climate talks taking place. jeb bush, the former florida governor and brother of george w. bush, told the wall street journal that he is nearing a decision on whether to run for president and laid out a governing blueprint. that mr. bushsay said he would make up his mind in short order about running for president. rest onsion will whether he has the skills to do it in a way that tries to lift people spirits and not get sucked into the vortex. mike in michigan. part of the law enforcement community. an independent. how do you rebuild the trust? i don't think the trust

with police is an issue. the issue is the deterioration of our society. driven,ety is drug illegal drug driven. if you listen to the politicians that were running for public has addressed that issue of the influence of illegal drugs. i have seen over 37 years of my law enforcement career that the black community just fell right apart. mothers on drugs, dad's going to prison, grandparents raising children. drugs, heroin, cocaine, they come from other countries. they are shipped here by the tons. i worked undercover narcotics for several years.

if the politicians cannot get these other countries, cut the aid to these countries that flood this country with these devastating drugs, people cannot walk the street at night. they cannot live in their homes. little children get gunned down off their bicycles because of the drug wars. host: darren in tampa, florida. ourer: i just feel solutions are to have better extensive training for our police officers. i understand that the police officers go through a great amount of stress dealing with people. but i feel that they should come .n yearly lethal force should be the last -- host: i think we lost you.

sorry about that. let's go on to frank in kansas, a democratic caller. caller: how are you? i think the previous caller was absolutely right. training needs to be so well is very unlikely that lethal force would be used unless absolutely necessary. i was mixed opinion until i saw the officer darren wilson interview with george stephanopoulos. the man does not think he did anything wrong. it gives me the impression that he should never have been hired in the first place. he seems to have a substantial lack of understanding. host: some news to share with you about oil prices, gas prices. this is from the front page of the "financial times."

the russian currency is being rocked as oil prices plunge and it turns up the pressure on russia. it presents putin with new challenges. , this is thening front page of the "washington post." this is about the effects of oil prices. drainingoil prices are hundreds of billions of dollars coffers of oil-rich exporters and oil companies. a lot of talk about what is going on with oil prices and the effect that could have on many

different issues. also, the "washington post." pentagon procurement is being scrutinized. you could see legislation that would overhaul the pentagon's procurement programs. that is in the "washington post." some other stories about ferguson. that is from "usa today." the police union is providing officer wilson with personal security because of threats he has had. caller" has this headline. police are pursuing an investigation into whether michael brown's stepfather incited riots. many of you saw the video when

he called for burning down the video -- buildings there. frank is a democrat. good morning. what are your ideas? police haveink that to do a lot more work interacting with communities. i think an intervention we did in wichita was very helpful. we got all of the police to where the cameras, although a few refused. theink that gives police incentive to have some presence of mind to think about what they are doing before they overreact. we have had a lot of unnecessary deaths in wichita over the last two years. the department has reluctantly gone along with citizens to do things like better training and wearing the cameras and better investigations on officer involved shootings. host: teresa, illinois, an

independent. caller: one of the things that i that is truth. whole police shooting thing did not just start now. i go back to 1969, to chicago. men were murdered by law enforcement and that was swept under the rug and nobody ever went to jail. they were called evil people and all of that. j edgar hoover's name is still on the fbi building and look what he has done. the black community was targeted with an influx of drugs during the reagan administration, during iran contra. ever talked is

about. there are things that are done countryntry -- in this that are swept up under the rug and nobody talks about them. kids my daughter's age have no clue who fred hampton was. coming up next, we are going to switch gears and talk about immigration and what will the gop do in response to president obama posta decision to act alone -- president obama's decision to act alone. we will be speaking with representative steve king from iowa. first, candidates in the debate werenate asked about ferguson. [video clip] >> i think that race relations have deteriorated a bit in this country.

i think we have to continue to work on it, decade after decade, generation after generation. what happened in ferguson was a tragedy for michael brown's family, as well as for the officer and his family. i hope that the community will continue to talk, review police action. is ouruntry's strength diversity, it is not our weakness. we need to do a better job of trying to understand each other. if you compare it to when we had jim crow laws, it is clearly better. we have made strides in terms of acceptance and understanding of others. the parable of the good samaritan is about the good

samaritan reaching across racial and religious divides to create unity with another person who is in need. that scripture should inspire us to attempt to reach across and make things better. senator landrieu made a statement that barack obama was not being viewed favorably because we have a history of racism in the south. just because you disagree with the president does not make you a racist. senator landrieu has been elected to public office since i was in college. is there more to do, of course there is more to do. bill cassidy makes things up as he goes along. statemente up the that i said that anyone was a racist. i said the south has not always been the friendliest place for

african-americans and it has also been a region that has not quickly recognized of the leadership of women. i will make no apology for something that is a historical fact. excuse me. that is what i said. that was taken out of context. i also answered the question i was asked. why was president so unpopular in the state? withd he was on popular some people because of his energy policies. he is not the keystone, im. -- i am. spun the words out of context for his own political benefit and i am not the only one tired of listening to his rhetoric. >> i think people can look at the videos themselves and make their own decisions. we don't have to have a he said, she said. last night's louisiana

senate debate. you can watch the entire thing on our website, c-span.org. joining us now on our set is representative steve king. he is here to talk about immigration. why do you oppose president obama's decision to act on immigration? guest: i took an oath to uphold the constitution too, as did he. arenows his acts unconstitutional. he does not have the authority to rewrite immigration law. years of taking a nose to uphold the constitution. th to uphold the constitution. in 1986, ronald reagan let us down.

restorebeen trying to the rule of immigration law since 1986. this is a very heavy blow to the rule of law. host: what should the republican party do? suggesting, we should do the minimum that it takes to get the president back inside the constitution. we should start with a resolution of disapproval. a relatively low-key statement brought just to the floor of the ofse that says we disapprove what you have done, you don't have the authority to do so. relatively gentle language that makes the point, have a debate on the floor, and every republican can vote for that, and i think some democrats will. ae second step would be

censure. that has not happened to a president in a long time. if we cannot do that, we have to cut off the funding. host: there is that discussion with the omnibus spending bill looming. republicans will be huddling today a 9:00 a.m. to talk about the next move. do you try to defund the immigration through the omnibus spending bill? will you talk before the conference today? guest: i often don't make plans. i like to feel the mood of the room. i am prepared to if the need arises. this would be my message to the conference. voteis, do not ask us to to fund a law that is an unconstitutional act. that means that i will support

going forward and putting the appropriations out that are essentially agreed to with the senate, with the exception of the funding to implement or enforce the order he has made. if the president throws this country into a conflict, it is the president saying i insist on having the funds to commit my unconstitutional act. "the new york times" is reporting that house republicans to offer ang plans hybrid solution. are you a yes if that comes to the floor? guest: there are some questions to be answered in that description. i think the strategy that tom

price has brought forward and thers -- how we fund components of the homeland security and the department of justice are questions of how the language is written. i would say, let's find everything except the departments for the full balance of the fiscal year. then, let's fund those departments for a short period of time. even in that short term bill, we cannot be funding the president's unlawful act. if we do that, we have essentially endorsed it with federal taxpayer dollars. it,: if you cannot defund and shut down the government? thehen do you shut down government? guest: congress would not shut down the government.

, it will behappens the president who does so. think about what happened. he lost a huge election. we hardly had the time to count the ballots and he is out there starting fights with congress. he moved to the clock up to announce his executive amnesty edict. if he brings this fight, congress cannot say, we will simply give you what you want. gave us the fathers ability to use the power of the purse to restrain the president. the president does not have the money now. we cannot let him have the money after december 11.

host: should you add immigration action to the lawsuit that republicans have already started against the president's executive action on health care? guest: i would not be against that, but i am for a separate suit. i would like to see multiple suits going through the court. i called a meeting a couple of years ago when the president initiated the memos. seems to be more effective if we have multiple suits filed in multiple jurisdictions. standing is a question. i am for writing standing into this legislation, so the members of congress can sue the president and not wonder whether the court is going to grant an opportunity to move it through the court. host: let's get to calls. janice is in clinton, maryland. a democrat. caller: good morning, mr. king.

probably one of the biggest flamethrowers up on capitol hill. if the president had the immigration bill that had come out of the senate and you guys had voted on it in the house, you can shake your head all you want to, darling, there has been no cooperation. what about the two elections that we had in 2008 and when the president was reelected? he never got any time to do anything. we talked about a senate that has engaged in 560-plus filibuster votes. that is why nothing is coming out of there. it is not just mr. harry reid that is responsible for that. mr. boehner never took it up in the house. if he had, it might have passed. let's get our facts straight. through many's bil

more filibuster votes. that is why nothing is getting done. i wish more americans understood how the process works and how you will demagogue it. you have such a nice voice to end up with the word demagogue. there are about 381 bills that have been passed out of the house. they are over in the senate and harry reid has not taken them up. thatingle immigration bill is being sent to the house will probably be blocked if they try to bring it up. the origination clause in the --stitution would brockett block it procedurally from being brought up in the house. when he had a vast majority in the house and the senate for two years, they did not take up immigration, they took up obamacare. there are ways that this can be

argued both directions. i take some of the points you make and i return some of my points back to you. we passed a border security bill that was an urgent border security bill on august 1 of this year, dealing with the unaccompanied alien minors that are comping -- coming across the border. a number of things to secure the border and tighten things up and provide resources down there. i had a lot to do with that language. but the president announced he would veto that bill. before we even wrote the bill. before you get a chance to even write the bill. but thank you for calling and i appreciate the tone in your voice. host: indiana, barbara, republican. good morning. thank you for taking my call. we are not against immigration in this country. it is illegal. -- what is it the people

cannot understand? it legal. we are a country of immigrants. obama, if you wants compromise, he has to compromise as well. that is it very thank you. guest: thank you. i have watched in this country and it seems as though it is a contention -- an intentional effort to inflate terms for political gain. people don't always understand the difference. in conversations i am in, which are we talking about? are we talking about illegal immigration, legal immigration, able who have migrated into the country in general? that is theple of difference between inflation and health insurance. partly because we were not able to any longer articulate between the two. my secretary is on the phone

most days calling up people who write that to say, you cannot write that. anti-immigrant, i am very much pro-illegal immigration, and i go speak at the national ceremonies whenever i can. it begins to choke me up as i think about people who dream to come here to america legally the right way. something i will add that nobody talks about is something we should talk about more, american vigor. people who have aspirations, when they see a picture of the statue of liberty and they say, i want to go there because i can become all i want to be in the united states of america, that brings the most vigorous people from the planet here to america. that is one of the reasons for our success and we have to celebrate that and we a road that success when we have massive amounts of illegal immigration. host: virginia, independent. caller: i want to ask you this.

the constitutional illegitimacy of what the president is doing. no president throughout our history, no congress, together, throughout our history, has a fully follow the constitution. where do you get off accusing -- of unconstitutionality, we have continuously degraded the constitution. this is where we are at now. anst: you just raised argument that would go on and never and. i would narrow it down to this. someve to take a stand at point. i never made an argument that

the president does not have executive order. he does. the present upon his oath of office requires him to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. the president has given these speeches time and time again. i recall one here at a high school a few miles from where we are this morning in the, march 20 8, 2011, when he said to the cap -- the >>, you want me to simply implement, i feel the temptation, but i cannot do that, because i am the president and that is congress aussies job . my job is to enforce the law and congress passes job is to write the law. .t is a pretty simple analysis i know he understands this, but the political temptation has overcome his constitutional oath to office. i do not think this is a tough call at all, when the president

decides he will delay the implementation of the employer mandate on obamacare by simply going into a written law and take the year 2013, strike it out, and are they sit with the year 2014. when you see the president has said, he has created classes of people and he says, you are exempt from the application of the law here it when the law says to enforcement agents, you shall place them into removal proceedings when you encounter them, the president orders them to break the law. that is the heart of a lawsuit we initiated 2.5 years ago. i do not exist as a tough call at all. if we -- if the president decides which laws to enforce and which are not, if he can do that, then congress does not have any meaning at all. that is where it stands. we must keep a balance in the constitutional republic that we have and we have a responsibility to preserve it. that is why i took my oath and why 500 of us took the oath.

talk to will represented steve king, republican from iowa, about the immigration debate here. for minds are open. they are different. check your screen there. start dialing in. , democrattty murray in washington, made similar comments about the president taking this action and saying, the system has failed and now it is a time to act. -- guest: there is a little truth in that. ronald reagan signed an executive order after he signed the 1986 amnesty act. the differences are calm --

congress acted. a method to further defined the law. the president, president reagan's executive order he signed, fed at hundred 50,000 people. a story george h.w. bush signed in executive order that affected 1.5 million people. that happens to be one writer's fairly wild estimate never supported by any real kind of analysis. there is a difference here. when a president asked to tighten down the language or further refine the language of you do not pass the law and now i will punish you, what the president has done is he has taken the constitution and separated out article one in the constitution, and then he has essentially stood up, sort out the article of the constitution which grants legislative authority to the

united states congress, looked at it, and said, this is minus well. -- mine as well. host: secretary dave johnson, a according toown the new york times for hours with the president, trying to look at where they thought they had legal ground on this. todayl be testifying before the security committee. immigration and border security, we will have coverage of that at 9:00 a.m. eastern time on c-span three. testimony, they report this. granting tentative legal status -- many --

guest: most of this language, we have heard before. if i were sitting on the committee, i would be easily prepare for this testimony this morning. i would like it if secretary johnson would also come before the house judiciary committee. people steeped in the constitution and the rule of law. i would point out to secretary johnson that i have read the 33 page legal document, the recommendation delivered to the , jeh johnson, and others, as their guideline and how they can do this and what they wanted to do, and how they can catch it as legal. a number of places essentially say no and they had to turn around and read i'm. in a 33 pagesearch document and search for the keyword that would the the

excuse words, the get out of jail free words. the individual basis only, i searched those three words, they used those words 152 times. that tells me they expect this to be litigated and they're preparing to go to court and they're preparing to point to the words that say case-by-case discretion. you cannot have prosecution discretion on groups or classes of people and that is what they have created and that is what the argument will turn on. willwill either lose or we have a president who can simply wipe out constitutional authority whenever he thinks he can. host: john in cincinnati, ohio. caller: you do a great job. it is positively orwellian the way the president can say he cannot take this action repeatedly in any case that action. you say people who are here legally have not

broken a law. amazing. i like your point about the vigor of the types of citizens. we are a nation of immigrants but not the nation we were in 1720 or something there it people coming to america today are not coming to a wilderness or a frontier. we do not need more people in america. we need better people in america. i suggest republicans need to compromise, except the immigration deal with these that there be no more cities breaking the national law, that there be no migration of entire families based on a single person, that we have no more earth right citizenship for people illegally in the country, one official language rather than multiple ones. this will hurt republicans a lot. we need to find employers of illegals with 10 $100,000 fines to stop there running around the law.

we are having it both ways as well. finally, i think a meaningful sponsorship for each illegal has to have at least three people ,illing to vouch for him or her who are willing to leave america when that person breaks the law or commit acts of treason or capital crime. with the membership of america being here belonging, that means something. call it citizenship modernization. we need to upgrade the whole plan, rather than just bicker about 5000 versus 5 million immigrants very -- immigrants. guest: that is well thought out. on your comments. i will take him with me this morning. these are many things i have worked on for years. the difficulty is, how do you get enforcement? down this path, it is always been, you have to give us all of

these things in exchange. i saw that in 1986 and it has been demonstrated over and over again. we really did not finish that up. andt, we secure the border then we shut off the jobs magnet, and then we work our way toward some of these other pieces. it is pretty interesting to me. each one of the things you recommend make our immigration policy better. that, when you force on the employers, i have a bill called the new idea act. the new acronym idea is the legal immigration act. they seem to enjoy doing their job. it says this, it clarifies wages to illegals paid are not tax-deductible for federal purposes. safe give the employer harmful if they use e-verify, and then the irs under a normal audit can take a look at that

and say, this million dollars or so you paid out in wages that cannot lawfully work in the united states, we are going to deny that as a business expense, and then the million dollars goes up to grocery receipts again and shows in earning income, makes it taxable, and our illegal.$16 in thiske a positive if decision. we have too many people in the congress who do not want to fix the problem, they want a continuing flow of illegal labor. democratic caller, high, anthony. caller: good morning. how are you doing? i want to ask you something, mr. king. go out and murder someone, and i know murder is long -- wrong, i will be locked locked up. -- they come here illegally and

then they have kids. these illegals come here and it affects a lot of a lotn-americans here in of jobs go to illegals. if you look at a lot of the african-american and urban cities, all the businesses and who they are, a lot of the people working cannot even speak english. obama on a lot of things, but i think he was wrong to do that. these people have broken the law. we have laws on the books. if you have laws on the books and they say if you do this, you broke the law and should be punished, then i do not think we should just let people, because the majority of people just come here illegally and just because there is a lot of them, we will say, there are so many of you all, you are all illegal. your point. i want the congressman to respond. we have heard that sentiment from other african-american callers about this worry that

they will take jobs that are already scarce. is something that is penetrating more and more especially into inner cities as people are starting to understand that first, we have a lot of low skilled african-americans who need jobs. the highest level of unemployment is and young, male african-americans. many of them skilled or unskilled. when you bring in millions of people to fill the very jobs, you destroy the work ethic the screen one community and locked them out of a job and the people here legally are more mobile for one in, more competitive in the low-wage jobs, and they suppress the value of those jobs. supply and demand. the irrefutable law of supply and demand. the lowest wages are the lowest skilled peer the highest unemployment is the lowest skilled. to putpushing a policy even more unskilled labor into the job market, which further

suppresses the employment opportunities that anthony is talking about. there is a time when this needs to turn over and the pushback that comes from the african-american community that says, we want an opportunity at those jobs here at i said for a long time, we need to tighten down the labor supply so the wages come up here and we have 80 different federal welfare programs in america and that is what is taking care of people who do not have access to those jobs. it does not make economic sense for us to open up our borders or leave them open, or refuse to enforce the law, and see all that pressure on low skilled jobs. there was a time if you are willing to work hard, you could pay for a modest house and your kids could go to college. that is gone. the middle-class has been squeezed by the same equation. this country is divided around the whole series of lines. there is a whole series of lines

that troubles me a great deal and it is weightings -- pitting americans against americans. >> in 40 minutes, republicans will go behind closed doors and talk about the next move on this spending bill that keeps the government running and funded. you said earlier you would like to see the republicans, one of -- first moves they make, lie that republican rebuke, and if you think you broke the law, why not do impeachment? >> i will not face a saintly he broke the law. he is outside the bounds of the constitution. he is lawless. i want to do the minimum. ande went down that path congress followed in 1990 eight with bill clinton, it throws the nation into turmoil. i do not want to see that. i do not want to see any american go through any tougher turmoil than it already has their it we want opportunity for

everybody. let this go unchallenged. we would be violating our oath to the constitution and our pledge to the american people and our constituents and the people who went to the polls a couple of weeks ago. we would be violating all of that if we let this go unchallenged. withu have nine days to do this spending deadline. how do you do it all in nine days? >> the house can move quickly if the house has to move. reason i supported the continuing resolution is so that we be in a position to use leverage on the president. if we did long-term resolution and gone home for thanksgiving, we would have no tools to constrain the president. my argument this morning is put no tools in the present's toolbox, let's use the minimum authority we can to bring about a change in the president's policy, let's call upon him to reverse this policy at this americans, and i

expect that will not work. be do notone needs to appropriate a single dollar to the president that allows him to implement or enforce this law or the set. nextat cannot be held, the piece of strategy should be discussed, but not until then. i will discuss what the next strategy should be when the time comes. the constitution is giving us a few tools and there are not many. historically, those have been tools. and the power of paris, the most powerful tool we have. can assert the power of the purse to restrain this president with a simple majority in the house of representatives. 18 members of the house of representatives hold together, we will not use any money for the president to introduce his lawless acts that he initiated here with executive embassy, 218

votes says, let's get this done. for the house to let go of that and then turn around and say, we will contemplate the i word toer, that takes two thirds get that accomplished. in the house and in the senate. is 218 votes in the house that cuts off funding. host: ok. we will go to minnesota. larry. caller: good morning. i have got a couple of questions for you. about how many meet packing plants do you have in iowa? >> i should be able to answer that question. there are quite a few. and also turkey processing in iowa. quite a lot. i do not know the number. you probably have quite a few, shareholders and stock owners in these countries, in iowa. guest: i suspect that is the

case. be reallywas seems to white in color as far as the color of people positive skin. best: i think that would statistically true. you can look at the u.s. consensus. -- census. caller: i what is a lawless state. you have a total conspiracy between owners and stockholders who school the united states government out of tax money. eric holder ought to take a really good luck at you in your state. there are a lot of people in your state that seem to be what i would call lawbreakers. all you have got to do is go by the packing plants. you cannot be that blind as to not know what is going on in your own state. guest: i do not know if there is a connect or a disconnect in your point about lawbreakers.

if you're talking about some of the employees, i do not think there is any doubt that there are a good number of employees that appeared to be illegal and working illegally. that technicality and enforcement of the law, i will not defend people who higher illegals, but what i do is i try to bring policy to the nation. if i decided i would stay focused on a single packing plant in iowa and do my best to use all the leverage of the congress to clean up a single packing plant, i may or may not succeed, but i would not be succeeding in national policy. i tried to look at national policy. each bill i've offered has moved things in that direction. i want to tie labor supply a little bit earlier. i remember what it was like when these plants were built. i remember the original beef when in america in 1961, before there was ever a critter hanging on the hook. i remember some of my classmates aspired to be loggers at the these plant.

now the over supply of low it sod labor has made that that is no longer an opportunity. i want to follow the law. i appreciate your call. thank you, larry. host: george from florida. i amr: that is funny, sitting here listening to these phone calls, and it deems like i am swimming in a sea of stupidity. somebody's callers are just crazy. my question is, what are we going to do about these orders that obama, our worst president ever in america, when obama is out of office, we get a good president in there, how are we going to turn his orders around? what will we do to find some type of landmine? just going to screw the republican that succeeds him? what will we do to get us on the right course? guest: we have a couple of years

to work that out and i will do my best to have conversations with these candidates as they hopefully come to iowa. the new -- the new president will have had his staff go through every single executive on the part of president obama over eight years. earlywill be an announcement that many executive orders will be rescinded on the first day. that would be my recommendation. anything done i second of action can be resent it immediately. first to receive it and then to repeal it. i will continue that effort in the new congress and hopefully lay that foundation. let's see how this plays out. there is a really good field of candidates emerging. i am impressed with many of them. host: including jeb bush?

guest: it does include him. all of them. he comes from three or more generations of stellar people. down the street here, they might be a good president. they will not be near the president after they go through the nomination process and the general election ross s. raw materialod candidate and develops him into an excellent candidate. that test is very important. i want to assist with that competition of ideas and ideals and how do those ideas resonate across america. it is a long future to look into. end, we get to find out

what the american people think and it forces us into a conversation we need to have as a nation. will this be an ascending destiny or will it be a descending destiny, which i believe they're on now. host: do you have front runners? guest: no, i am encouraging openness in the field. hatuld put a few names in a and say, i am looking at this now. done here in texas, we have a lot of illegals. here, there are people who are working 50, 60, 80 people. 15y are paying them about dollars or less for a job that pays $30 an hour. why is it we don't prosecute the illegals? employ the

within 90 days, if those people prosecuted, will be or put into jail, all these would be in america out there working and making $30 an hour and making a living. nine, 12, 15 people in a hotel room. my wife will not accept that. >> you are right on this. i will take you back to 86. form required you redo the documents -- review the documents and it imply that the employer had to make a judgment call on whether the individual was illegal or not. it imply that. the aclu had -- and others have taken that to court time and time again. it comes down to, you cannot require an employer to make a judgment call. if there are documents there that could be resumed soon be

illegal on their face, whether or not they identify the individual applying for the job, that is generally enough so the employer is not prosecuted for hiring illegals. when there is a rate into a factory that can bring about this kind of punishment, and i can think about a few of them we have had, there has been such a pushback, that essentially does administration decided they will not enforce the law anymore. that is why i brought the legislation i mentioned earlier in the program, the new idea act, to bring the irs into this. if we can do so, if we can clarify that wages and benefits paid to illegals are not tax-deductible -- tax-deductible, if the iressa came to enforce, and there is a 60 year statute of limitations, and you accumulate that thatlity over the years, would have a tremendous impact. you have six years to wonder and i think that would have a lot to do with it. but we need to shut down the jobs magnet. that is the heart of what you're saying, tighten up the labor

supply. there is not any such thing as work that americans will not do. not when you have marines working for about eight or nine $.10 an hour. you just have to pay americans the going rate. when you have 80 different means isted welfare programs, that a disincentive for people to work. we need to work both directions and work incrementally. i am hopeful we will be able to do that in the next congress and with the next president. host: florida, william, republican. caller: good morning, good morning representative king. thank you for being in congress. my question is a little bit larger than the immigration issue. it goes to the power of the presidency. was when george washington the first president, there were probably, i think, 14 or 15 different agencies he had control of.

controlhe president has of thousands of agencies and billions of dollars, and there seems to be no oversight over and he can change outcally the law he puts every week. change in regulations. is there any way congress can have greater oversight for each individual agency that can prevent the president from doing things that are against the will of the people? it is a big question. what happens is congress has decided incrementally that they did not want to take responsibility for the details of the federal government, so they granted a rules process that allows the agencies to publish rules through the administrative procedures act, and have them up for review, a comment time, and then they have forced law. that is what we are dealing with. a number approaching 4500 of them were released going into the weekend.

how do you combat that? that is at least a piece of it. i devised a method to approach this. there is a bill at the house that is passed, it is a good bill that says any rule that has more than $100 million impact has to come before congress before -- for an affirmative vote. a good step, but it does not go backwards. everything is grandfathered in, and it only deals with those that are $100 million or more. so before that bill was brought forward, i written -- i wrote a bill, and what it does is it requires all rules to come back before congress inside of 10 years. no rule can last longer than 10 years. is required to bring a minimum of 10% of his rules before congress for an affirmative vote, each year for 10 years. all rules are reviewed. yes, it would be a little messy and burdensome for congress to evaluate all of that, but it would give us an opportunity to

amend the rules or simply strike them down, and cleanup the rules process. each one of us, every member of congress, house and senate, would be in a position where we were responsible for all of the rules the executive branch was under. if we took that responsibility back to congress, it would be hard to pass. if we did that, he would clean up a lot of it by putting the accountability back on congress where it does belong. you have identified a very big problem is growing federal government has. host: on the politics of this, from usa today, for democrats, hispanics are close to a block and alan gomez reports there are few times in history where entire part of the population rises up behind one party. african-americans were split and then they started flocking to the party. african-americans have voted overwhelmingly for democratic party. there is no question hispanics already lean democratic, but they have never approached the overwhelming support of

african-americans who have hovered around 90% support for democrats for decades. alan gomez is reporting democrats could get close to that number because of the actions the party has taken versus what the republicans are saying. are you concerned? >> i'm concerned about the advice i get to solve the problem and it comes from people who seem to have no idea how to address the african-american vote as a republican. if the strategists in the republican party insist that we must pass amnesty if we are ever going to be a party that can recruit large and significant numbers of hispanics, if that is their argument, my answer back is, what is your plan for the african-american vote? i think we have a lot to offer. i will say also, this movement of the hispanic vote, we should really look at it a little more closely. claim, got 44%me of the hispanic vote in 2004. that was an effort concentrated on reaching out to the hispanic

vote. you analyze that, it was more like 39% of the vote and not 44. but if president bush got 39% of the hispanic vote in 2004, john mccain got 31% in 2008. that is an 8% drop in the hispanic vote, when you had an overt -- open borders candidate in john mccain. he still lost a large percent of that. >> he did not talk like that when he was running. >> people knew what the record was. we know here. in, when mitt romney came that 31% that john mccain got to 27%. you might say mitt romney arrested -- it went from 39%, come -- 37%. vote,2% of the hispanic the lieutenant governor got 42% of the hispanic vote. hispanic vote, a lot of it, is going to reflect

values like all the rest of america. we should not be doing identity politics in this country. it divides us down the lines of ethnicity, it pits americans against americans. it is immoral to gain your political power by telling one group of people that the other groups of people hate you. democrats are losing the white vote about the same pace they are picking up the hispanic vote and they will be accountable for that someday as well. but it divides america and i do not want to see this. i want to see a completely image -- integrated america where we the samether for cause, having a common history and a common language for everybody in the country. over president obama's decision to act on immigration, this continues this morning on capitol hill where jeh johnson will be testifying. we will have coverage of that on c-span three at 9:00 a.m. eastern time. congressman steve king, we appreciate your time this morning. thank you for talking to our viewers. guest: host: all my pleasure.

coming up next, a conversation with jim mcdermott. first, an update. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] >> legislation has advanced in congress with the house passing the bipartisan legislation on the vote. of bankruptcy law, supported by wall street banks, supplies -- is the biggest of wall street banks. new york city's mayor is announcing plans today to overhaul how the city deals with the mentally ill and drug addicted suspects. the changes include offering stepped-up training for police to identify such suspects. and using drop off treatment centers for low-level offenders. these recommendations come after at least a two mentally ill inmates were found dead at the rikers island jail complex.

sayrnational monitor violence in eastern ukraine. he organization for security and cooperation in europe say the deal between government troops and russian backed separatist forces in the region provides for hostility to end on friday. modern-day slavery is under attack by religious leaders from half a dozen faiths, including christians, hindus, buddhists, choose, and muslims, both sunni and shiite. they signed onto a new vatican initiative to end human trafficking by 2020 and declared it a crime against humanity. signatories include pope francis and the anglican arch bishop of canterbury. some of the latest headlines on c-span radio. >> washington journal continues. host: we want to welcome back jim mcdermott. i want to begin with

immigration, because that is where we left off. was it a mistake for president obama to make this movie you have got republicans upset about not wanting to work with him in a new congress? the president was the most patient president i've ever seen, including the republicans, every opportunity to do with this issue. when he did not, he did the right thing. he reacted and i think you did the right thing. host: what about the budget deadline? nine days for lawmakers to come together for a bill to keep the government running? will the democrats support short form -- short-term resolutions? guest: we don't run this congress and we will have to support whatever they do. they're making business go along one month at a time. there is no business in this country that plans a month ahead, but this congress is

forcing the entire economy, by playing games with when things will happen, when they will have tax exemptions. we will have to pass tax exemptions or the tax bills will go way up in this tax season. bill for thea tax next 11 days. the american people, the economy does not operate on a dime. it just does not snap into place. it takes time. one month at a time is, in my view, fullest. but it is all we have. that is what they will do. host: explain to viewers what is in the omnibus bill and why it is important to get it done. guest: we basically go on a fiscal year from october 1 to september 30. now, we have to appropriate the money to make the budget work. we want to put this much money here and this much money there. and we have to appropriate it.

the appropriations stop on the 11th of december. there will be no money after that to run anything in this country because the republicans have held up -- i do not want to go another 20 days or whatever it is there the first of the year, so they want to go another 20 days. we will have the same fight again the first of january. me thatconceivable to anybody thinking would want to have a government in so much turmoil and people not knowing, you don't know how many people you have. if they give you more, that is nice, but will it cut you? how do you plan for what you will do? the court system? national parks? the department of health and human services? the military? all of these departments are dependent on the appropriations departments, which will end on the 11th of december.

a hit told there be the economy if there is a short-term hearses a long-term solution? guest: if you did not know where you would get your paycheck after the 11th of december, you would stop spending right now. it would be a hit to the economy. departments will say, we do not know what is coming down the line, so we will stop. a natural thing if you're running a department that you see your funding is uncertain, then you will start getting conservative. that will pull money out, just at the time of year when if you don't get money than, about one third of the economy or one -- one quarter of the economy will be spent in december, but if you throw in a month -- a monkeywrench by pulling back hitting there economy and making it better for everyone.

you start your 14th term serving on the budget committee. what is our budget looking like? where does that go? guest: the deficit is coming down and you do not hear anybody talk about it anymore. it is looking good. there are some things we have and we will have to look at and it will require more revenue. i do not take the republicans are willing to talk about revenue, so they will continue to cut their the national institute of health, for instance. get 100d to applications for grants for projects that needed to be done to prevent disease. they would find 20 of them, one out of five. they now are funding one out of six funded. if you do not want health research in this country, then you cut off health research. .e cannot send a vehicle up

we have to go to the russians and say, here is the lunch. up to them?ke it we don't have a space plan. that is the situation we are in. i think america is better than that here in a space program that makes sense, health care, whole areas where we should be doing nothing. what is in the: package and how will it impact americans? guest: i live in a state where we do not have income tax, so we have our federal income tax. but we do have a sales tax. we have an exemption for sales tax which dies if we do not extend that sales tax exemption, all the states for people who didn't sales tax, we have eyes at 10%. we deduct that from our federal tax there if we lose the exemption, everybody in most states will get hit. companies that have used the

money for r&d, research and development, they cannot deduct it from the task, so the tax if this extension is not made. there are all kinds of ways in which people with childcare, people who have been spending money for child care, child care they will not have it. even if you make eight or nine dollars an hour in a low income and low wage, you will get tax increases as you do not have childcare texas. morning, headline this lawmakers tussle over tax breaks. they say the temporary breaks include 50 separate provisions benefiting individuals and nonprofits. the vast majority fired at the end of 2013 but still can be claimed for 2004 if congress can agree soon on how to renew them. extending the brakes third 2014 mean they could be blamed during the tax preparation season. is happening behind --

behind closed doors? some people would like to make these permanent. they are viewed every year right now, do we need this, this, this? some people say, let's make it permanent. other people say, no, let's get rid of them. a third group says, let's extend it until -- the plan that would come out would be an extension for january one. you will be doing it on the 2014 year, and have access to tax exemptions. we will have the same fight at the same time next year. you can take the program and put it in a can and bring it out and played again next december 1. we will be in the same ball of wax. let's get to calls. pat is in california, a democratic caller. caller: i know the funding situation is facing hurdles mainly in immigration. i am concerned about dual

citizenship here. there are too many chinese people coming to the country and having their babies and going , to come back to america to get a nice free education here. that will be a problem downstream. i am not a full and i know the immigration will go through. amnesty will be granted. why don't you guys put a timeline on it? give these people a year and a half to comply with the u.s. id laws. give them a year in a spare allayed by a minute, they are deported. or 10annot go on five years from now. it is bankrupting the country. guest: the president using his becausee power to congress failed. the speaker refused to bring it up. if he had brought it up, it

would have passed because they would have had the democrats backing it and enough republicans that it could have passed. he would not do that because if you did, then he can go back to his caucus and say to them, what are you doing dealing with nancy pelosi? a terrible person you are. so he would not deal with it. the president finally had to do suggesting it is not a bad idea, the timeline, but that would require legislative action, which means people have to sit down and compromise. that is the thing missing here. i have been here for a long time, 14 terms. there was a day when we would sit down and say, i would do this, and you tell me what you would do, and you would agree and we would find a place in between and a great peer that is called a compromise. it is not a bad word or a bad thing. it is how everything in the world works very it you

compromise with your family and your job and i compromise all the time everywhere. congress right now, compromising with the other side is a dirty word. texas, pat, a republican. i am 97 years old and i think one of the biggest problems we have in the united sharpton, along with lewis and jesse jackson. al sharpton has an invited to the white house over 43 times. sharpton owes 450,000 dollars in back taxes. i remember when al capone was put in contrast, it was because they could not put anything on him but the income tax evasion.

,hat is what i am talking about al sharpton wants to tear this country apart. old to do anything about it, but i can at least talk to somebody. pat's opinion. cosman, the president announced he would like to spend more money getting bodycare is on police and better training them. he also put together a tax force -- task force. you think -- for what he is proposing? there will be a vigorous debate about that. some people like the body cameras and some people do not. i think there is an invasion of tirelessly but if you have done something out in the public and you need a peace officer -- a police officer, you have done something that is public.

take ald be you can so i thinkit, ultimately, people are worried that situations happen, it is he said she said kind of argument and it would be much better if you had a picture, and you can show exactly what happened. a lot of the disagreement would be hard to hold up. if you had a video that showed such and such happened and one person would agree you would have a picture to show and go to the jury and get a conviction with that kind of nature. is badople think that because it takes the advantage away from the police, they can do it they want, and others think it is better for the police because it protects them. they have a picture of what if youd and they can say

think i did the wrong thing, that is all right, but here's what i saw. we are conflicted about whether we want the police to have the ability to protect themselves. we cannot pass gun control laws in the country for automatic weapons. if i were a police officer, i could not imagine why you would want anybody selling automatic weapons. if i am up against an automatic weapon with a handgun, i am overmatched. we put the police in a very difficult as efficient. host: and is next, and independent. this is a call, i am kind of nervous there i lived in washington state in eastern and western washington they. but i'm calling you from florida. a border state, so i will ask you about immigration. i know washington state and florida have several inc. in

common in terms of the border states. have been to canada and i do love it up there. i wish i were back there. but florida's different. we have a large immigration problem here that has now gone to another level. the representatives decided to look the other way. when you have new buildings built to house some of the immigrants that came here, under age immigrants on the change that obama let come here. they are now expanding facilities here. i look at this situation and think, my husband has been out and he was a year, plumbing mechanic for 30 years. finding a job here will be much

more difficult. host: we will have the congressman way in. there are a lot of aspects to talk about. if you're talking about the florida situation, one thing to better is to all reestablish relations with cuba. you get cubans have a situation where they cannot make it, they're having a difficult time, so they come into the united states, and we welcome them. escaping from communism in cuba, we say, whatever you want, you are here. that creates an info that we make stop, and we could the economy go. a lot of people stay down there. people come to the united states for an opportunity to have a better life here in my family did. came in the 1840's,

because they were in terrible famine and terrible war and they came here because they want to do better here that is true of every immigrant who came here. our problems are in part because we do not recognize we are a nation of immigrants. right now, our birth rate is going down. not producing enough american children to replace the children in this country. i think you will see that the problem will not go away. it is a problem worldwide. climate change is making people move around. black people are living in sweden and all kinds of things are going on right now that never went on in the past. it is all related to climate. if people cannot make it economically in one place, they moved to another place. they care about their family. every immigrant cares about his wife and his kids or husband and kids there they will find a better place for themselves.

it is a very tough problem. controls on it, but i doubt it. it. go ahead, carl. everyone is talking about impeaching president obama. i would like to know, john boehner is locking everything the president is trying to do. as a former veteran, i had to take an oath to protect the president and citizens of the country from all enemies domestic. would it be possible for him to declare john boehner a domestic terrorist? guest: [laughter] that is aot think reasonable plan. it sort of sounds good, but our system does not allow the

president to take on somebody in that kind of way and it will not happen. host: hi, mike. theer: i would like to ask representative two points. he made a point about his people from ireland and england's and so forth, and my parents came to the country in 1912. a big difference between people coming now and back on your family and my family came was go fact that they did not for anything and they had to work and they work hard and they had no idea going back to the old country. they were staying here permanently. they made it happen. no give a ways and no handouts are a disgrace to go out for home relief. my father used to tell me this. it all boils down to this. money. money. many problemsason are happening. let me ask you a question.

it's a family makes $1000 a week, and they're sending $1300 a week, is there something wrong with that question? i'm not quite sure what the point of your question is. immigrants, let's use this as an example. in the western united states, where much of the food is drawn that is eaten by people all over the country, a lot of parts of the agricultural work is done by immigrants who come from mexico. many of them want to come up for the harvest, and then want to go back. but our immigration policy come if they had to sneak in in the first place, then they can go back but they will never get back in again. they have to sneak back in. it makes much better sense to say, how many actor -- how many workers do we need? let them come.

year, hundreds of acres of asparagus were plowed under because nobody was willing to do harvestr it takes to asparagus. it comes up out of the ground and you have to go right out of the ground and cut it. to do eightork hours a day. the laborers are coming and wanted to do that. this year, they do not have enough people. the farmers lost their crop. the same is true of our orchards. not have workers to pick the apples, you will not have a harvest. why thesereasons people come, both from their point of view and hours. i think that is what they tried to work out in the senate oh. that the house would not take it up because they would rather argue and demonized migrants than deal with the problem.

it is a host: mike, democratic color. is anyone planning on extending unemployment benefits? host: i rewrote the whole itmployment legislation and has almost all been repealed. . did that in 2009 it has almost all been repealed. year, we endedis any extended benefits so one point 4 million people were kicked off the rolls immediately. there is no talk because republicans have the idea that when you're unemployed, you are lazy and you sit at home and you

wait for a check to come in the mail. that is not true. it is unfair to them. be able to kate -- to take care of our brothers and systeisters. greta and i do not take care of each other or take care of or all the people watching this, it becomes a country where everyone is for themselves and it does not work. about 20 minutes left. host: senior member of the budget committee and a senior member of ways and means. he is the top of a credit on the tax writing committee on health care.

basic costs, squeezing families, searching price tags. guest: if you have everybody paying into the system, you do not have free riders. this, weobama got into started out with 31 million people who were free riders. they got taken care of. do is to get is to everybody paying so there will be more money in the system and people who have health insurance , so they wouldn't take -- wouldn't wait for a terrible catastrophe. my belief is it will work if we get everybody in. problem has been

that we spent the last two years , 51 times we try to repeal it. rather than saying, this part does not work, let's figure out how to make that work. , the reason iran is because i want to be there to .elp them shape the changes one in three americans say ff seekingput o medical treatment because of the cost. a guy working for a company makes $11 an hour and the company is less than 50 employees and the owner of the company offers a plan to his employees. much.uy says that is too

he said it was too much. if he rejects the plan he gets from his boss and goes to the exchange, when he goes into the exchange, he gets no subsidy. his costs go up higher. we have to look at this question about affordability. they said it would be the same as my mortgage payment would be the same as my insurance. i have to let the insurance go. the issue ofok at affordability and how much we have to subsidize people to keep them in the health insurance system. all of us were employed in places where we are taking care of and we are ok. people who do not have that situation are in terrible --

they are one illness away from a bankruptcy. we should not have that. housethe chairman of the oversight committee will not be -- fair he tweeted this out. jonathan gruber and tavener have agreed to testify at the hearing on the ninth. guest: i think jonathan was peripheral to the process. i do not agree with him. i do not think that was true. host: why did he say it? idea. i have no you will find out in testimony. somebody is not central to decision-making, goes out and makes in the firmament -- makes an affirmative statement of press, they do not research it,

they just put it up and everybody says that is the truth because i saw it on television. it may not be the truth. i hope they are looking for information rather than making headlines. host: the second round of enrollment has begot him -- has begun for the affordable care act. sign-ups were inflated with dental plans. any concerns about round two of enrollment? strongere penalty is now. it will push a lot of people to or make an arrangement so that it works and they do not get penalized. because of the problems, like the one i talked about, those kinds of problems are in the

system. host: and danny is next. on the immigration bill, or the democrats are not saying, the bill is still in the senate. they did not send that to the house yet. right? that is not my understanding. comment was made on one of the news programs that it is still sitting in the senate, that they did not send it over to the house. was a story about

that. democrats have been saying why aren't a acting on a bill the senate was able to pass. technically, the bill has not been sent over to the house. caller: hello. veteran.etnam i have been out of work since december 31, 2012. i have never seen a debate about emergency unemployment comp and

station -- compensation. i do not understand what the difficulty is and i hope you .ill support that i declared bankruptcy some weeks ago. yesterday, i went to federal court. guest: i am sympathetic to the situation you are in. you are not alone. many people are going through the things you are going through. are dealing with, i will vote for unemployment insurance. you bring the bill, i will be there. i cannot imagine a bill i would not support. what you are going through in this country is a process controlled by the tea party and the election process by people who do not believe in the social safety net.

opposed social security, unemployment insurance, welfare, money that went to children in foster homes. they have been against this since 1935. all of these programs are because they think it weakens your moral fiber, that if you're poor and hungry at home, you will go find a job. if i give you an unemployment check, you will sit at home and say thanks, i will send -- i will get another unemployment check so i will sit here.

$600 a week is the most you can get. that is $2400 a month. that seems like a lot, but if you are making $5,000 a month before, suddenly you are down to 2400. everybody lives to the edge of the money they have. make bigpeople savings. we have to get back to the concept of the common good. i do not want to get in trouble, we should do the same for you. you served your country. you ought to be entitled to some .ind of support

the: the nominee to replace current secretary chuck hagel. a master ofis managing large buzzards -- large budgets. what do you think of this nominee? >> i have read a little bit about him. they are not in the public eye enough for me to have a view. will not allow him to get any of his nominees. they will not let these things come through, so he has to promote from within. he can move them up and that is what he is doing. judgeshipsozens of

open. you cannot fill them because republicans will not confirm. host: floyd, you're on the air. i am 80 years old and spent 22 years in the military. , back to remind everyone in 1968, george wallace made a dimement, there is not a worth of difference between a democrat and a republican. there was a democrat and a republican hating head to soon aspresidency, as oh obama became president, and became a million dollar difference. us in thise that got mess to start with, we have a short memory. they have put the republican back in charge of what they created to fix up.

who has got what mess in this nation they have started to put these people back in charge. andll give them two years all of your sons and daughters will be back in the mideast. that is my comment. when clinton left office, we had a surplus in this country. we were not in debt. we were paying down our national debt. we quickly bush and give away tax breaks. the government should not have money or pay down their debt. they should give it back to the people, it is their money. that is there erie. andind up in afghanistan iraq. and not geto to war

yourself back into a mess. thes a direct result of cheney, bush policies in this country. our were giving away ability to raise enough taxes to pay as we went. they said we will pay for it later and somehow magically the money will come in. we will wind up having a real -- for these two years. they cannot blame it on anybody else. they cannot blame it on us. they are running the health and the senate. they closed the national parks in the summer because there is no one to run them. there are consequences to

elections. when you elect people whose , you will is clear get a cut and what we are doing. there are so many problems not being go with today. is a whole long a list of things we should be dealing with and we are not. they can decide if they want more or they can change their minds in 2016. hi.: maryland, caller: good morning. i understand the republicans are that they --ose that the child credit benefit

for the middle class and that is not going to hurt anybody but the middle class. also, what happens to the jobs bill and the infrastructure bill ? back at the basic theme. america is great because the government has invested in the country. when everybody came back from the second world war, we created a class of people, the greatest generation. they got their college education. eisenhower said we need a road system and he put a road system around. now, as the roads are deteriorating, our cities are

more crowded, republicans say 's, it is not the government job. investment, whether the ofestment is health and all the physical infrastructure, it is taking this country down. that is what is at stake. the president made proposals. the president asked for a dollar and they gave a dime. they did not give him what he asked for. neighbor -- they never gave him the possibility to make it work. this tweak -- congress promised tax reform.

this is the push we need to get things done. that is a nice idea. maybe that is what will happen. reform anddo a expect everything else to be the same. if you take away the money and change the structure, it does not work. we have a system that works badly, but at least if you take one leg out from underneath the table, you may have some trouble. tax reform. be i am not opposed to that. it has to be done together. host: one last call. victor, republican. caller: i am originally from new york. lived in north carolina, south carolina, california, texas area

you talk about immigration and people not being available to cut the asparagus. these people are moving from other countries, moving into the united states. they are also looking at other sectors within our society. you talk about unemployment. the reason we have unemployment is because we do these handouts. i know a lot of these people. i have lived all over the world. i know how things should work. people work hard to get the things that they work for. these people that are not cutting asparagus, let's get the people who are getting unemployment and not working, let's get them out there and get them to cut the asparagus. if you are unemployed and , i should send

you to eastern washington to cut asparagus. is that which you are suggesting? we should ship unemployed from one part of the country and tell them they should start cutting asparagus? it does not work that way. in washington state, it is hard for us to get people to leave the cities and go out and worked as an apple picker. they do not come from seattle or the city along the west coast. they come from other countries where they are willing to work unless you are going to have forced labor in this country, and i do not think you want that, then you are going to have labor find the job

that they can do. they want to get out of being an , our family worked their way up the ladder. we have to give people a legitimate chance to do this. there is nobody who is illegal who is getting unemployment insurance. i will guarantee you that does not happen. unemployment does not give out checks to people who are working in casual labor who are being paid under the table. those kinds of people do not get into the unemployment system.

i think we have to help the people who want to come here and legally. here host: we are out of time. thank you for the conversation. we are going to open up the phone lines and you can weigh in on anything you have heard. the phone lines are different. there they are on your screen. takes c-span's city tour look tv and american history tv on the road.

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waco on saturday. "washington journal" continues. we will wrap up with open phones. you can weigh in on what you have heard. here are the numbers. you can also send us a tweet. you can go to facebook.com/c span. we will begin with breaking news. cnn reporting ash carter expected to be the defense secretary nominee. if you go to wikipedia, it says

he oversaw more than 600 billion per year. managed global 24/7 operations. in his five years in the pentagon, he served in the number two and number three position. he formulated the current dod investment strategies. you can weigh in on what is

president obama's nominee for defense secretary. washington post reporting procurement policies will be scrutinized. of a first casualties was the crusader artillery program, canceled after the pentagon spent more than 2 billion on it. more than twice the amount had been sunk into that account. in 2000 one, and 2011, the -- thatdepartment spent never became operational. for evidence of a procurement look no 4ey say they -- no further than the major programs moving forward.

the story goes on to say that ther the new leadership, two are looking at the registration to overhaul the program. john mccain expected to take the helm of the senate armed services committee. chris, you are up first. i just had a few points that i don't understand. i see a lot of debates. i think they should be set up more securely. a lot of people use the welfare system.

you can make up names and live. it is too easily set up. my other thing is with immigration, why did we shut down ellis island. rebuild it and put two more down .n the southern border they make more than the average person does. host: judy in new haven, connecticut. agoer: i was taught years -- i'm 84. i was taught that poverty of the mind is poverty -- i'm speaking about ferguson. they need vouchers. -- whether you are

the president's daughter or a poor child in ferguson, you need to have the same education. host: a little harder to understand it appeared breaking up there it bit. california. caller: ggo head. caller: i wanted to talk about the point that the last secretary made.

clinton's administration, there was a surplus of money. that money disproportionately went out to the corporations. one of the things created was sending jobs to other countries. the taxpayers paid for that. stephen in connecticut. host: thank yocaller: i would hd susan collins. most of the radicals are battling anyway. i want to talk about the civil rights. what i saw yesterday with --sident obama

full steam ahead. host: on president obama's announcement yesterday, he had a series of meetings at the white house with cabinet officials, law enforcement, civil rights leaders and needs leaders to talk about the situation in ferguson and how to rebuild trust between police and the community. president obama calls on congress to spend $263 million for police body cameras and better training and more monitoring of military style equipment for police departments. he also announced a new task force that will come together to better police procedures

as well. they have 120 days and another 90 days to come up with their recommendation. let's go to doug in kentucky. democratic caller. caller: hi. i was just wanting to comment on the two senators -- mr. king. he is up there. the only thing i heard out of his mouth was that he wanted to repeal everything. the hammer comes down on president obama. all-america,s to you put the same people back in office. six years later, after this -- thent and congress republicans controlled the house since 2010.

all i have heard from john boehner is where jobs and everything. nobody mentions the fact of mr. that put us boehner in this mess. they guy from louisiana went head-on. america got dementia. host: we will talk about what congress is going to be doing in these remaining days. remaining days of the 113th congress. joining us on the phone is christina bella to. the funding deadline is december 11. they have nine days to come up with a strategy to keep the government running. the republicans are huddled behind closed doors. they met at 9:00 a.m. this morning. -- leaking outou about what their strategy might be? caller: not about what people .re referring to

the continuing resolution put together with the omnibus spending bill. which is exactly what republicans are discussing. we did get a bit of a lead that politico reported that they are going to do a joint house and senate republican retreat. i'm not sure that is the first time, but certainly the first time in a long time. republicans are in a difficult situation. there are a lot of them that want to hold the president accountable for the executive order on immigration. that now, you are seeing play out with the jeh johnson testimony on capitol hill. it is a tough position for speaker boehner and the other leaders to be in because nobody wants to shut down the government before christmas. host: jeh johnson on the house side of this morning testifying about immigration proposal the president put forth.

we have coverage of that on c-span3. what are the options here? what are they discussing? caller: they could decided to , allowing in effect funding for any sort of immigration related activities. they can fund things through the end of the year because it expires on the 11th. they could muscle through a very simple, we are going to fund the government through the next however many days and hope that some democrats support them because they don't want to see things close down. nancy pelosi is not in a position to do john boehner any favors. wants to see them squirm a bit because democrats agree with the president. you have a bunch of other funding requests that have come through. ebola funding the president has asked for.

another lot of policy issues that are being tacked on here. host: what else does congress need to tackle here? caller: you are seeing the tax extenders bill, a fancy way of saying the must renew tax breaks for certain segments of the economy. you have seen a blueprint of that come out. there is some bipartisan agreement there. you are seeing some agreement on that coming through and it lays the groundwork for bigger tax reform package next year, which is something republicans would like to see happen. a lot of members are saying they are lowering their expectations for anything ambitious happening in the next week host:. what will be happening on the senate side? caller: a lot happening. these congressional testimonies with immigration are the biggest deal on the house side. one of the hearings we are

watching closely is jay rockefeller, taking a look at domestic violence in professional sports. the have every member of every nflr association, nba, mlb, , the only group that is not coming as the nfl players association. they tend to grandstand when it comes to professional sports, but this is a much broader issue with democrats pushing the idea are the party that is friendlier to women. you are seeing that happen today on the senate side. also watching what's going to happen with defense authorization. you have the guantanamo bay closure. the president would like to ee senate democrats take action there. you have investors that have been appointed.

-- ambassadors that have been appointed. host: a lot of moving parts. go to rollcall.com. we appreciate your time. phone calls this money. open phones for the next 20 minutes. ethel in florida. independent caller. caller: i want to say this. [indiscernible] i worked in a plant. we had to pick up 60 pound bags. let me go on to j in newport news, virginia. caller: i just want to propose a

question. stillt understand the in sentiment of the caucasian colors across america. what if black americans were victims? what if we were feeling as if we were being conditioned not to accept that? what if everything we said was true and everything we felt should be considered? from the stance of some caucasian colors, it would seem if a woman was raped or thomas or a child was- molested, it was ok to go after the victims. i have a question for some of the older caucasian audience who wants to push everybody out and maintain white privilege.

what do you know in any segment that is all black that is controlled by black people? what do you know that is all white that is controlled by black people? nothing. host: let me show our viewers what the president had to say at the white house yesterday after the series of meetings he had on rebuilding this trust between police and the community. [video clip] >> simmering this trust that exists between too many police departments and community subculture -- communities of color, the sense that in a country where one of our basic principles, the most important principle is a quality under the law -- equality under the law, , particularlyls young people of color, do not feel they are being treated fairly. week, when any

part of the american family does not feel like it is being treated fairly, that is a problem for all of us. it is not just a problem for some or a problem for a particular community or a particular demographic. it means that we are not as strong as we can be. to the criminal justice system, it means we are not as effective at fighting crime as we should be. the consequence, what i have been able to do today, thanks to holder isf eric to begin a process in which we are able to service conversation between law enforcement, community activists, academics,

elected officials, the faith community to try to determine what the problems are and, most important, try to come up with concrete solutions. host: president obama about problems and solutions in addressing this mistrust in minority communities for the police. politico with a story this morning that the white house debated a ferguson trip. house decided a presidential visit would be too disruptive. souri.in mis we should go backler: to the migrant worker system where farmers and agricultural people used to recruit people from other countries to do the agriculture work and then they

went home. what do these people do that go to washington to pick apples for five weeks? what do the illegals do after the apples are picked? we are spending trillions of dollars over the last 30-40 illegalsing care of who either overstated their work visas or then get on the welfare system because they start having children. as president obama saying people are not treated fairly, american citizens are not haveed fairly because we been overrun by illegals who get more benefits than our naturalized citizens. this is a big problem. we have to go back to the migrant worker system. the people who used to pick apples and asparagus or whatever are now taking over the good

jobs in construction and home forms andnd all other taking over jobs that are teenagers used to do working at and hotelservices and we have to take back our sovereignty and stop spending the trillions of dollars that the lawlessness that the illegals are doing in our country. host: harold in alabama. democrat. caller: thank you. thingsto comment on the that were said and the condition we are in. i was born in the 1950's and i was born into a poor family. we had to walk everywhere we go. what we hear now is divided country. unemployment for black people.

unemployment has always been high for black people. always. everything comes down to welfare. when we were coming up as kids, they would give you tickets. you got one box of cheese, rice, sugar and butter. once a month. the abc card come out. we hear these senators talking about if you work hard, you get ahead. i have been working since i was six years old. i was married when i was 15 years old and i've been married for 41 years. there was a plaque down here. andnt to get the job thought i got hired in third got my lunch and they told me i was too young.

and they did not want me there because i was black. host: luis in chicago. independent. caller: good morning. i have a suggestion for the jobs that nobody else wants to do. why don't we set up a jobs hotline for all of these employers to list the jobs they have so that people can decide if they want to do them or not? how can you do a job if you do not know the job is there? host: let me put another issue on the table front page of the "washington post." oil prices sink. --

every day, american motorists are saving $630 million on gasoline compared with what they paid engine prices. prices.ne the story continues inside about the reason why oil prices are falling. it has to do with opec and saudi arabia's decision to let that happen. has usually adjusted its output to moderate lurches in oil prices.

the biggest target of this strategy, u.s. shale oil which has grown from a negligible amount six years ago to 4 million barrels a day, nearly half of the u.s. production. oil prices have historically strong -- swung from one extreme to another. firms might ben able to withstand a lower oil prices than opec.

this is something folks are watching closely. the financial times this morning with a headline that russia's currency rocked as oil prices plunge. john in illinois. democratic caller. caller: good morning. address a current trade policy which is an outgrowth of what started with nasa. you had a caller earlier and i agreed with him. the free trade agreements are mostly responsible for moving jobs out of this country. wasonly name he mentioned clinton. this has come up over and over again with the republican friends i have. it is still relevant today because they are still trying to push more of these free trade agreements. to understand where these came

from and who is pushing them. since the reagan administration, republicans were pushing nafta and democrats were fighting it. when bill clinton finally sign ed that, you can bring up a list of the vote and bring up video of the congressional discussions and show them how almost all of the republicans voted for it and how clinton was get 40% of the democrats. you can show them those names, show them the percentages and they will still look at it and go that can't be right. reviewers are interested in going back and watching that debate, go to our website, www.c-span.org. we go to glenn in lancaster, california. independent. caller: good morning.

i think the american people should hold their hands up over their heads over this immigration vote because we are being robbed and lied to. unemployment for the american 20% in some places. welfare underng rule, getting hospital care which they have been getting for being residents, free education, schooling. years,rpenter for 28 they hold the meetings in spanish. backve to take our country because all of these politicians are not working for the citizens of the united states.

i am a native american. why don't they give the super bowl back their land? -- the sioux people back their land? host: alfred in chicago. democratic caller. caller: my name is alfred coleman. veterannited states from chicago, illinois. i want to comment on how divided this country is. when those planes flew into the twin towers on 911, their goal was to divide this country. our politicians are disrespecting the office of the presidency at a time when we should be close. in turmoil has been for the last 10 years and our focus should be to get this

economy back on its feet. it is not a time to be doing insults towards one another as we are supposed to be leaders of the world and we are setting a bad example. when people flew those planes , we weree buildings divided. we fell apart. if congressmen are not going to set that example, the american people should pull rank and stand hand-in-hand with one areher and say that we indeed americans and we are the leaders of the free world. host: a number of outlets reporting that ash carter will be the president's nominee for defense secretary to replace chuck hagel. phil mattingly tweeting this out.

cnn also reported that this morning. also, this from the associated press. important least known figure. tiffany in new jersey. independent color. -- independent caller. what is on your mind? caller: it's about immigration reform. i think our congress should be working together to allow these people to stay. they are paying their taxes. said that's what the president said is good. the fines, the economy, it will all move forward. congress does not have the thisty to change or fix problem. they say the law is the law, yet they have the ability to change it. these people should stay.

if they are not felons, they should stay. host: if you're interested, the home and security secretary is making a similar argument before the home and security committee -- homelandill security committee on capitol hill. testifying in talking about the legal ground that he and president obama feel the administration has to make this executive action. thisis over on c-span3 morning. another issue is climate change. the obama administration is hoping for fresh momentum. media challenge may be to simply keep the negotiations from breaking down. -- the media challenge may be too simple to keep the negotiations from breaking down immediate challenge

keep the simply negotiations from breaking down. new jersey. republican caller. tim in georgia. independent caller. good morning. caller: good morning. i was try to figure out how do that people keep saying the illegals or non-documented immigrants pay taxes? how can you pay taxes when you don't have a social security number? host: sales tax. caller: they pay local taxes and walmart or something like that. if you get paid under the table, taxes. not pay ing

i havedon't pay taxes -- 100 people who have not paid taxes and i only got 50 people paying taxes. don't you think there is going to be a deficit in the economy? who is going to have to fork out the money to make up the deficit? you and i are going to have to double up on taxes if they don't make these people legal citizens. host: randall in stevensville, texas. caller: i already know this is going to be -- i did not know this was going to be a roundtable discussion. --anted to address host: the house is about to come in. caller: the oil in the middle -- the immigration

situation, we have to have some logical things. they could not speak a word of english. ony go to dallas, texas wednesday. host: i will leave it the house of representatives is about to come in for their morning session. live coverage on c-span. the speaker pro tempore: the house will be in order. the chair lays before the house a communication from the speaker. the clerk: the speaker's room, washington, d.c., december 2, 2014. i hereby appoint the honorable