i know we promised we would let you go by 1:00 but i'm hoping i can sneak in one last question. appear in front. in front. >> my question to you, a lot of these people particularly the andh are sold on this idea feel they're calling is to head up and be part of this process -- but once reaching their they realized us is not what they signed up for and went to go back but now going back means they will be facing prosecution. my question is, what can governments do to focus on the and whation programs happened to these individuals who returned dissatisfied with as mediatorst for

rather than throwing them in jail. >> it is an excellent question and i think you've hit both points on the head, there have fore programs in place those who may have joined the ranks for themselves not having committed any crimes and medically that they haven't -- limit had logistical or administrative roles and whether they can then be used to speak to you in their countries of origin -- i should not say sending countries, in their countries of origin, it would be a clever way to address this but it is clear that we have to think broadly and in a way that makes sense. there is also a discussion in new york that is quite informal that a number of the countries

of origin are against the criminal court -- statutes of the criminal court and should there be a joint referral of all the nationals who hailed from those countries so that they have some jurisdiction over those actions so that those who have been involved, they can be photographed committing crimes with multiple eyewitness testimonies that there is accountability in store at some stage for the actions. i think your point is a very good one and that needs to be considered. you your royal highness, we appreciate your presence very much and we look toward to seeing you here again. >> thank you so much and good luck. >> with that let me transition to the second part of our program which is remarked by our

panelist here, at first we have remarks from matt levitt who is the former fellow on counterterrorism at the washington institute and will be involved in these issues in the battle of ideas and countered by extremism, always gallivanting across the world and being asked to speak in various places. from an expert on community-based programming, we had the pleasure of having her as an adjunct fellows of washington and she is the president of word, an organization dedicated to promoting dialogue between muslims and non-muslims are it first matt -- muslims. first matt and i'm hoping he will highlight their recent work

on these issues. >> i will now. [laughter] after my boss talks about my gallivanting -- let me thank everyone for coming, the latest in an ongoing series of counterterrorism lecture series. i was pleased that though he was unable to join us in person that he was able to join us this way and take questions which was not clear would be possible and it was glad -- i was glad that we could. i have been gallivanting around the world -- it is true as patrick and my wife keep telling me. but it is for good purposes. the most recent was this past week in rome where i gave a keynote talk on the issue of foreign fighters at the global counterterrorism meeting on the subject which was proceeding this week's meeting which is going on right now in marrakesh.

my friend from by frame -- bahrain your questions are exactly what we been talking about in rome and in marrakesh right now. we are worried about these retreats. we are talking about more foreign fighters than all the jihadi conflicts we've seen in the past combined. we are nowhere near seeing eye plateau -- we are nowhere near done -- we are nowhere near seeing a plateau. even though there are more, we are not done. we're only talking about the sunni side -- there is a whole entire shia foreign legion being created from the ivory coast to afghanistan. one of the things we have to consider is what to do with returnees.

those who return and want to return -- how do you assess those or dangerous? do you want to be the poor guy, maybe an fbi agent, who interviews this individual and is forced to assess -- i'm pretty sure that this person will not do something here today. none of us have the capability of running surveillance 24/7 -- life is not like the movies and on tv. what we do then? in the first instance there is a big debate -- should would be telling people that if you come home you'll be put in jail automatically -- does that discourage people from coming home? at least in the united states and several european countries we cannot prosecute everybody who comes down. mirrorted states has the -- material support statute which only applies to those who go to fight with designated terror entities and in the case of syria and iraq that only applies to al qaeda and isis.

if you are fighting with any of the other dozens of groups -- including a battle alongside that is sick -- like wearing a sign around your neck, there is nothing we can do. and that is if we know. our intelligence on the ground is not what we would like it to be and our adversaries are soon if not already getting smart and they will stop doing the 19-year-old selfie thing and posing with a headband or decapitated head or a gun that shows that no despite the fact are coming back with a letter saying i worked for a charity -- your do something militant. -- you were doing something militant. it is not great in terms of exit programs but it cannot be mandatory. can you force people to do that? these are difficult questions and i will be honest, here in believeed states, i there is a tremendous amount of work to be done.

counteringally do violent extremism particularly well in the truest sense of the word domestically. not the lack of interest simply because of the way we are structured. there is a lot of concern that there are legal problems at a federal level instructing states and locals how to do their business -- legitimate legal concern. establishment cause -- clause, freedom of expression, these are extraordinarily important things that define who we are and are helpful in getting through the weeds determining ideas. government should not get involved in a religious debate -- we are nowhere near capable of that. we have others in terms of ngo's and groups like word that you will hear about in a minute that are doing phenomenal work but frankly word is the exception and is hopefully going to serve as a national model but i won't

steal your thunder. think carefully about what it is we want to be doing here. what is the work we are doing here? right now most of the work we are doing here is outreach to communities and that is important. don't put that down one little bit. it is extraordinarily important to have healthy relationships with communities including muslim communities and it is important to put that in the plural. enough at a national federal level there is a community awareness briefing, the national counterterrorism mtcer has put together and travel the country and part of the dialogue is to give this evolving powerpoint -- i would not doubt it if as of yesterday it has something about sydney. to be able to explain to

communities -- it is primarily about the threat of radical islamic terrorist but not only. those are not the only threats that we face and this is an important part of the dialogue -- when you deal with communities in general of whatever ethnic or religious persuasion many come from places in the world where having association with law enforcement or intelligence is anathema. many places, that can't be good and understanding that here it can begun -- good and is good is something that has to be taught and learned. it is great to do that. doing, is all we are where do for tremendous and painful failure. one of things we are least comfortable about is a discussion about ideology. one of the reasons we have that discomfort is that it is not just because of freedom of expression or the establishment

also because we are uncomfortable with the idea that ideas may lead to dangerous behavior. that's why we talk about countering violent extremism is one hour late and a dollar short. the reason it is so uncomfortable in the united states is that unlike our counterparts in united kingdom, we don't have a federal level department for community and local government. office, sove a home cve's, our our hve's is by default house with in-line oarsman which is a big problem. within law enforcement

which is a big problem. i don't want fbi or other law enforcement to be thought policing this country. if someone is not responsible for moving the needle earlier in the process and not waiting until someone is a violent extremist, moving the needle early in the process to identify people who are at risk -- who are at risk of having that cognitive opening to radical ideas, who are being presented with radical ideas and maybe not other ideas that might fill that space that can happen for any of one million because of domestic issues or foreign-policy issues, then we are not doing cvd. it is getting involved earlier in the process and helping someone who might be along a path that leads to danger. we don't have enough programs like it and i think really have

one that works and you will hear about it. we also have a problem that we don't have enough funding. there are three big pilot programs it up and started to run the country, run out of the u.s. attorneys offices as cvd is vew running this country -- c is now running this country. the problem we are having is that there has not been sufficient finance money invested so when people tell me -- i'm telling you there is tremendous attention to this at the highest levels of government, what i say is show me the money you that's when i will know that people are really interested -- the fact that someone will have a conversation about it in and of itself to --t seem possible possible. sure thated to make there is sufficient programming.

these pilot programs are a good start, they need to be focused with a risk-based analysis on where the threats are and without pointing at any particular religion, the fact of the matter is there is radicalism all over the place but the global uncertainty we are facing -- the reason there is any interest or attention whatsoever is because of events having to do with al qaeda and iso-in particular. this is something that -- isil in particular. this is something that goes in waves. in 2009 a report got a lot of unfortunately a great much of it is still very applicable. next year we did a follow-up report. battle to ideological deal with ideological issues. read it, available at washing

toninstitute.org. still very applicable. that not information only reaches out to communities but addresses issues. to be perfectly that dhs and local and state law enforcement do not have any in determining its outcome. is, frankly, our policy towards what is happening in the region, in terms of syria, in particular. to be very blunt. isis alone is not our problem. isis iis a very critical part problem to be sure, but it is not the sum total of our problems. i happen to think that a new authorization of the use of military force iis a very, very good idea. but i also think that one limited to isis is a very poor idea. because it is not isis alone. he remains as a

in power, it will be a problem. it is the way the sunnis view us, our attitudes, and our commitment. it goes back to what we did and president when the issued a big debate on weapons. for a long time, we said we not going to get involved militarily in this conflict. nnow, e the fact that -- over 200,000 people, the vast majority of them sunnis, wwere butchered. not just killed, but butchered. we said we might get involved militarily, but only to productive diplomats. then we said that we might do more to protect our diplomats,

do this at e can minimal cost -- do this to protect others. if we do get involved to protect people, we won't protect you. and that is the problem. over the past year and a half as i have traveled over the meeting with intelligence officials throughout europe, north america, australia, there was one overriding theme. for some s not offensive jihad. it was, for many then and some still now, a defensive effort tto protect fellow sunnis. and why are you going? they would ask the individuals. because you haven't, washington, paris. and that is a very, very dangerous phenomena.

be a nk that there has to better marriage, not only improved programming at home to do with the radicalization process, it has to be married up with improved -- i think -- actual policy. and certainly articulation an explanation of what a policies might be. one of the reasons this is so marrying these two -- is that because of event on the ground, the nature of how things translate at home has changed. i will give you an example. our last counterterrorism we had robert, the the dutch eneral of intelligence services, speaking at this very podium -- only a taller than me -- and he newly released report -- available online in multiple languages. he highlighted t

was the shrinking space at home in the netherlands -- having to the gtfc meeting in rome, they are seeing this through out the world. the shrinking space between -- and jihadis. many people felt that one of deal ost effective ways to with the jihadis who really want to engage in violence, is to list in behalf those who have just as extremist ideas, to are not actually looking carry right now. they cannot do that anymore, the dutch point out. even if you thought it was a idea in the first place, which i contest. so many people are going to fight in syria. so many people are going to fight, in their own mind, true or not. is what matters --

that many of these political groups are not saying, no you can do that. because this is legitimate. and there is an increasing overlap in that van diagram is not just -- almost them aare being quiet and not contesting it, which means the nature of our at home are getting more complicated still. the day, that means is that we need better programming at home. i live here in the united states. the fact that the united states really creative programming on cve abroad is me any bbut it does give greater comfort for my four sons. to introduce hamir, who i believe has the

most successful model for that in the work so far yet united states. [applause] >> that is a tough act to follow. what am i going to say after that? thank you, matt. and thank you, patrick. thank you for hosting me here. it feels like home. i just wanted to bring this level and e community and the ut how isis conflict syria is affecting us here at home. the effects that isis is having a way, way beyond anything we saw for al qaeda. much more extremist ideology that was happening with al qaeda. to al qaeda, they had convince people that the west

was a mortal enemy. isis message is different, and matt pointed this out. referring to their propaganda, not our portrayal of what they see on the news. so, according to their propaganda, they are building this utopian society. they are saving muslims from the hand of her team that is of this ring -- hand own regime that is slaughtering their own people. the internet, if you take the time to watch some of the propaganda videos -- gosh, way too many of them -- but the militants are coming in and saving the day. clips ave twenty minute about court appearances very similar to "judge judy". they entered the gate marital

-- adjudicate marital disputes and others. to watch these videos. these guys are really handsome. come across as these strong and righteous heroes, taking food out of dumpsters and handing them money and resources. then telling the camera, look at the way these people are being treated. this old lady is eating out of a trashcan. is a very romantic notion. come are telling people and join this utopia. so how, for grassroots level, and we debunk this myth that they portray? the need for islamic scholars

refute the argument -- and some people, i know they discredit this. they say that, oh, a lot of people are not listening to the scholars. that video has almost 250,000 hits. these messages are important, and for the most important reason, they are inoculating the middle. they are taking the kids that are on the fence or on the edge them, hey, look -- if get any ideas of what they're talking about, let me tell you what the truth is. so i want to tell you about of these arguments because, i'm happy to say, rebuttals and these debunking of the ice is is being done -- isis narrative is being done for the first time. now, we're seeing very strong

statements that are being all over the world with the help of social media and are being seen by thousands of individuals. i e first one is, as mentioned, is they jihadi propaganda. talks about the fact that this group is a group that the prophet mohammed foretold. before told them that they be a very -- that it would make other muslims envious, but they are brutal heretics. if you join them, you'll be a heretic along with them. so he talked about the fact think twice d to believe is because i that isis represents this group that mohamed foretold. even islamic clerics say that is not met the principles of an islamic state.

very elaborate. he wanted students of another about the prophet mohammed, where he says that the killer will not know why he kills, and they killed will not know why he is killed. and there's this great confusion that will start. and that you need to stay out of it. this helps, especially in the where people are is this hat there dichotomy between assad during protecting and isis the killing -- this is a fight you should have no part in, because again, it is nothing but confusion and dangerous ddeviation. is the denouncing -- taking everything from the

jihad, the principles of mohammed, and also takes up of conditions for why isis needs to be de-legitimate. these are very powerful themes by very influential scholars. but the thing is, they need to be told louder. they need to be told to more people. platform so have a that more young people and vulnerable people are able to hear this message. so, at the community level, my matt so tion -- as kindly explained -- wwe run an intervention program. i would like to say that this is a prevention of violent program -- a pve program. run in gram is with our county stakeholders, our health and human services, our schools, our county government.

to help young people, as vulnerable individuals, way before they are indoctrinated. the issue of the war in syria is very real. for example, for a lot of young are not familiar -- or are not clear on the consequences on judicial killing. islam, with a believe it is an eye for an eye, you cannot just going kill somebody who you say has harmed you. i'm not sure whether this comes from a cultural tradition or trouble understanding, but this is very strong sense tthat revenge is an integral part of islam. for mainstream islam, it is definitely much work obligated in that. it is something that young people need to understand. they also don't know it is illegal to travel to syria. so they think it is just marketing a plane ticket. not necessarily broadcasted enough that this is

absolutely illegal -- you cannot go over to syria and fight. for many of them, they're just added to the images. they want to pray for the killing to stop, but what do they do if it doesn't? doesn't answer the massacre and of syrian civilians continue? what do they do with the feelings of powerlessness and hopelessness? serious them have problems with authorities. how do implement important values when there's this complete lack of respect for the legitimate place of authority in their lives? so our initiatives take a range of issues being presented, and tries to use self-exploration techniques and motivational get at the g to try root of why they have these attitudes and/or behaviors. uncharted steer them before more ethically and moral behaviors. we also try to empower them

with nonviolent skills like a means of expression -- peer mentoring, being there for their peers who sad, depressed, angry, volatile, and being able to infuse mental wellness into the everyday understanding of what it means to be a peer mentor. and also advocacy skills. we're trying to help them feel overcome feelings of powerlessness or helplessness. it is you can imagine, very important to get at these issues early. so how do we stop the recruitment? matt mentioned a couple of really important points. for debunking the myth, i -- as i mentioned there is this issue whether the u.s. involved in o get and i respect that they may get around. but we can do something about the places that are speaking

out against isis. whether this holding conferences, giving them social media skills to get the message out in a more effective way. i think we really need to do these kinds of activities, and we need to do it in a big way. i am hoping that we can develop some kind of a countermovement, whether it originates in the middle east here in the west, that motivate young people to realize what islam does stand for. so not just what it doesn't does for, but what islam stand for -- upholding the fairness and ms of mercy, or upholding social justice through good character. through pve or cve, then he should be more funding for community based programs. we're looking to have funding from our county executive, who believed in our program early on. but i believe it is very, very important for federal these ives explaining why partnerships are important. and again, making sure that

so that partnerships the community does have a role. for those of us who do interventions, we need clear guidelines. there needs to be clear guidelines about what the national security exemptions are. imminent threat of harm in the violent extremism arena. you may understand it terms of homicidal tendencies, but what does it mean in the social space? so, we need better directives communities and law enforcement, and hopefully some the board of ve to education and health and human services at the federal level that will then trickle-down to the states to let them know should also be designing programs to prevent for at risk populations.

thank you for your attention, and i look for to your questions. [applause] >> thank you. i'm going to happen later. let's start with the audiences questions, please. if we could, the gentleman right here. >> hello? good. your you very much for comments, mister levitt. the university of maryland. i want to address my question to this notion -- hand, we have them were discussing the very traditional narratives. on the other hand, we have yours, which are cutting-edge and attempting to the ideas that needs to be diffused. that is to say, what is it people potential

recruits? it seems that there may be a gap between the theoretical community and those who engage in the program. engagements would between them and those of you who are actually trying to work with potential recruits? >> a great question. think the issue -- i meant to portray them as a whole universe of things going on because i think you need both. what they are doing is of the older ot kids aand the older adults who are interested in justification before they go. and the youngsters are just not there yet. it is not that there is necessarily a disconnect. a vulnerability, for sure.

particular, l, in tries to address the most risk factors. the ideology we clustered as one set of risk factors, but they're all these other grievances -- there are these other political grievances and factors. what i see in the young people is that they have a whole host: of the other factors that we need to address. to your point, it is really important -- and that is why i mentioned conferences. trickle ting to see a of these mainstream scholars come to the united states in a way that i have not seen before. but there are another of what we call roadshows happening nnow in the united states. and we need more of them. i know people were surprised by the comments he made because he was really forceful in his

condemnation of extremism. those are just welcome activities. >> i would just add that, you to the point of having to engage in activities across the spectrum. with the islamic concepts -- not enough. if you do all the other things and don't do with the islamic concepts, also not enough. because different factors are going to be more prominent. one of the problems we had, we a long en saying it for time appear and i'm going to -- the truth is the problem is not islam, per se. the problem is the kids who do not understand their religion enough. they do not actually understand these ideas. by simple, iven often off explanations, that drive people to go, but they quite enough knowledge base to then be able

to have a conversation about what these concepts really mean. so teasing someone, you know, arithmetic and division enough together by basic not being able have a conversation about calculus because they missed that medium. if we don't engage in about the on ideological components, we will fail. >> can i ask a question about what kind of message we want to bring to these people? i would be delighted if these you try to that reach decided that they would like to fit into the mainstream of american society. but if they are going to be extreme shall we say, political views and if they're going to despise people different from them -- so long as they don't use violence -- that is okay.

so, what kind of a message are these ng to bring to people who see many cases and are very disinterested in the society they are in. are we going to persuade them to become part of the american mainstream? or are we going to say, it is okay to hate christians and out and t just to go kill them? >> were, i think that is what matters brought up. there with the whole -- there is no jihad until tuesday. about delaying the jihad, and therefore, until the treaty is broken, there is no jihad. and i don't think that is a healthy perspective. for us, we are trying to give allow them ills to to be participants in the and to feel empowered because, as i said, a issues them have other going on -- they feel

alienated, they feel disenchanted with the way the system is treating them for a variety of reasons. the case may be, i believe, at least for us, the to help make them into better people. and that is not just no jihad until tuesday. >> that is absolutely the case, there is also their steps. the first step has to be watching someone off the edge of the cliff who wants to something violent. then the next up is giving him a broader ideological perspective. a lot of the radicalizing factors that have been around for a long time continue to be there. i have the conferences been attending, one of the themes that comes up -- country country after country -- is that the vast majority of

the people who have gone to for ultra-sticker really come from bad home -- ultra-realistic really bad reasons come from better homes. there are issues in the houses. something about the jihadi cool. there is something about the belonging and empowerment. it is just happening in a context that is such more volatile. in part because of the sectarian issue. whatever happens in this region and in this world, one thing i guarantee you will still be talking about two decades from now if the repercussions of is happening right now -- is the repercussions of what is happening right now. >> thank you. howard, a former usaid.

i am wondering how you do your partnerships in the community. i'm really wondering about what executive you're talking about. to what extent you, first of all, bring in families and center some of your work in the schools. and in another aspect of it, it seems to me, is not just with the muslim kids, with a non-muslim kids because the worst thing is when the muslim kids feel totally excluded and isolated and harassed. >> sorry that i did not go into that in great detail. i think have a lot of people have furred my explanation of that model -- heard my explanation of that model. what we are famous for is the that it is not egocentric. it is a community model system. we are not trying to stigmatize

the muslim community. a lot have grown up in a house have not practiced islam, and they are radicalizing and 3 to 6 month intervals in some cases. so it is not much of a debate about islam at all. about having a l community that understands what the risk factors are, and as i mentioned, the multitude of risk factors. and then deciding how they going to intervene. schoolteachers, resource officers, counselors, together with our faith community partners. and then talking about how we and sure we intervene provide them assistance bbefore they turn a violent. not a s why we are de-radicalization program. we are you preventing radicalization program. >> preventing is infinitely harder, by the way.

we want to get it right now and when you can have a much better impact. i would just highlight, ten times over, appoint just made about the shrunken window of radicalization. everywhere -- this is what about -- e talking this -- tthis model in the past where someone would have to go over a period of time and be radicalized. it is yesterday's model. we are talking about a week and weeks in some cases. people who were not on your radar and shouldn't be on your radar, and all of a sudden they are because they traveled. of the biggest problems is that it is not happening in the happening in s not your bookshops. it is happening online. the social media phenomenon here is tremendous. perhaps most -- i highlight just two. one is that this is a two-way conversation.

literally talk to someone, often someone who can do neighborhood, what is it like there? which type of north face jacket should i bring if i go? do the guys want? it is usually nutella. it is. not peanut butter. the second thing is, instead of as it once was -- closed forms, etc. -- it is now completely open. facebook and and askme -- and this has just made it available and all kinds of ways. what tends to happen is that we are just talking past each other. we are looking at nasty, nasty beheading videos. we're not even talking to each other.

on the one hand, it is wonderful that people are to this issue on again. right? unfortunately because things are so bad. this cve is one of the five of operations against isis, and that is great, but if you look at recent testimonies officials talking about you look eagerly, expectantly to whether they are we nting to, what is the cve are doing now -- what is a big answer? is not so big. some good stuff -- strategic messaging out of the state department is great. counter tweeting is very interesting. if that is the only thing we have to put forward?that can't be the package. to me, it is part of talking past each other. need to demographic we not eaching -- they are

paying any attention, or very little attention, if you want to be generous. over here, please. >> i'm going to take the conversation back to theology, if i may. disheartened what you meant today. i am still very pessimistic voices, these are small as you said. is also the other muslim brotherhoods and other groups. systematically, you have to hit the institutions that have invented in the states. so i am very pessimistic about that. are we seeing development of other types of islamic ideologies in the united states?

are we seeing a theology that is emerging from here that would come from there? if so, how do you sustain something like this? you get funding from, given the fact that money from the region is coming here. i was starting to have an american islam? and if so, how do you support this american islam? >> sure. think we are seeing -- especially with the changes in to take a them trying more positive role in this. so the muslim peace form is also officially sponsored. i think there is an effort, albeit small compared to the opposing forces. to try and effort promote a more moderate theology, and like i said, we are seeing a number of roadshows. i cannot figure out who is paying for them, but i think it

is really important to have that connection to these international figures. some of them live here, but an incredible amount of money paid to these international scholars. they have weight in the muslim community. we have scholars here who are developing somewhat of a cult following. is i -- i do not know if it an american islam, or if it is version of traditional islam adapted for america. yet to be at story is written, but there seems to be a tremendous influence in it, as well. from a number s of people and organizations. the ink people see it as because it ment

involves music, and it has a more colorful, artful, historical significance, i guess, that they are utilizing. >> thank you. way in the back, i'm sorry. >> thank you for the great presentations. homeland security investigations. on the subject of this question to out -- how bad you see the fallout of radicalization, as as recruitment, for isis and organizations engaging in terrorism in the middle east with regard to the release of this report. if you could comment on that a little bit. >> thank you for coming.

have e actually -- there been some interesting stuff out there already, especially in social media, about -- in some ways -- hhow little this has played in the region. i think that -- don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to put a colorful spin on this. this is going to be complicated. but people expect -- in the region, people sometimes expect that this is going to happen. other countries are not coming forward with the report. the fact that this activity happened is obviously very, very bad. as a country, we, can investigate ourselves in this way, and do it publicly and air the laundry and fight it out -- this is -- this is what we are about. and this is about who we are. we are not above making mistakes. meat for onderful propaganda -- there is no question.

so is sydney, which had nothing to do with any of this. so as ferguson, which had with any of this. so our adversaries will try to use, for propaganda purposes, what they can. i honestly don't think that a particularly successful piece because at the bigger the day, the discussion, the bigger issue is that we're coming clean. report, as the hashtag says. anybody out there can read this report. >> up front, please. >> my name is dave williams. how do you measure success and what you are doing? do you have establish metrics for success?

>> absolutely. very important. >> that is why asked it. go to, y conference i here comes. no. so, our program is run under a health care system. the rules of low hippa, but we are are able to do pre-and post-evaluations of our clients. are able to use skills that have existed in measuring tendencies to violence and other studies, and we do pre-and post-assessments that way. have developed a questionnaire that is the result of research we did with the university of maryland, so is semi-validated research questions that we also ask our clients to measure the risk may be that they vulnerable to. again, before we -- before we discharge them, we do another

assessment at the end to see how they move. demonstrating that we have reduced the risk factors. this is all dependent on our cve framework that we use. so we base reducing the risk factors on that framework. and i'm happy to share more on that with you. >> thank you. so of the reasons it is important to do this at the local level is because this type of ingenuity can happen there and work there. i'm referring to the fact that at the federal level, we have time getting the of ial, positive face government wholly involved and invested in this cve process. people said, listen, by default, you're going to house this in law enforcement. can't, as the british

and others in europe say, privatize this. you have to have community engagement or other types of activity. agent n't want the fbi meeting with you for community engagement, and then the next involved in a raid. in the first instance, we got some volume. now there is a lot of pushback. now you have the health and the department of education pushing back and saying, no, we don't want to get too involved because we don't want you to securitize our relationship. and that is a problem. and that will only get fixed there is a top-down approach and instruction. but here's how my organizations are going to function. they can only ask nicely. at the end of the day, for to work ograms effectively -- at the federal

of el, even, in terms federal monies, directing programs, eeven at my department of the treasury with teach financial liturgy -- which, when we went out to minnesota and realize the extent of the problem people were so uncultivated into american culture, many people didn't -- bank ic literacy account, checks -- and you do them because they need to be done. from it will also benefit, a cve perspective, and we have to make the social or positive of government more comfortable in getting involved with that at the federal level. >> i mean, when we do the training for the resource officers or the police, they

tell us -- oh, this looks very much like a gain prevention model. so they recognize all the same systems and were to tackle these kind of issues. be so much would easier if all that expertise came to bear on this problem. in other words, all the programs we have done and the the arch we have done in law enforcement field and the board of education about violence prevention and gang prevention, and brought that to i think would t, be a lot more successful by now. we are very fortunate to have the county support to allow us to tap into these different but you have to county te that in every and every city if it doesn't come top-down. >> i must tell you that we have lot of forms here, and end of the t the forms, people leave much more depressed than they came.

times, accused t of designing our forum program make people more worried. i, at least, and more optimistic and hopeful than when i came. i think we should end this on an upbeat note. please thank me in joining our speakers. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> federal reserve chair holds a news conference today, following an open market committee meeting. see it live at 2:30 pm eastern on c-span2. this week on "q&a", author kate on what she sees as the rhetoric.

>> what is your view on ted kennedy? >> i go back to, wherein said, book the idea of this came from -- the convention where they were showing a tribute video. a women ng him as rights champion when he led a drown in his car. saved his own behind, she probably would have survived. video nnot do an entire at a convention claiming to be the fight of f women without including that part of his life. >> sunday night at 8 o'clock c-span's nd pacific on "q&a".

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