senator graham postelection, he is more honest. the math comes down __ the magic number for republicans for immigrant voters is about 60%. it will be pretty tough for any candidate to win the white house. the way to get that, as senator graham says, to not be the party of self deportation. the republicans need to be careful and not alienate hispanic voters more. they would kiss goodbye the dreams of getting the white house in 2016. host: consumer spending is up. gas prices now at a record low level. the stock market continues to surge ahead. this seems to be a growing sense that the country feels better about itself. where does that put congress trying to do some these big issues?

guest: i think it puts a lot of very challenging position. despite all the good economic news, a lot of people are so anxious about their personal economic situation. as much of the __ as you can look at these national trends, the average person worrying about the future, it is very hard to tell them you should be happy, when they are anxious about their mortgage payment. host: interest rates continue to stay at low levels. would you agree or disagree? guest: we started to look into how people were feeling compared to how things are going in the state __ what we found was that partisanship in the polls drives a lot of negativity.

republicans are much more likely to say they feel good about their economy. we see this with a good number of questions. it has become __ it is a standing partisan question. if democrats are in the white house, with republicans think that things are going poorly, and vice versa. our concern is this partisan mindset is starting to seep into how people think about the economy. besides exit causing differences in how people are spending, it is tough to tell. that is the fear that we have __ the partisan mindset will start to become a drag on the economy based on who is in the white house. that could start seeing ill effects on companies, and small businesses. host: i will ask you for a moment to trade places.

from the democratic presidents, the president said that a lot to get done in the fourth quarter. if you look at what he needs to do, wwhat advice would you give this president in his white house? guest: i would say this is a real opportunity, and he seems to want to take it with executive action. this is an opportunity for him to meet with republicans in the middle, and get things done. if they can come forward with some substantial achievements on budget reform, or immigration reform, or other big issues __ if he can meet republicans halfway. host: also the house of

representatives where there is a big contingent of tea party republicans, what advice would you give them? guest: i would say __ the goal should be maintaining this majority in the senate and the house. the house will not be that difficult, but in this senate there are a lot more seats coming up for republicans. in order for them to wednesday for wisconsin and ohio, they will have to look like they are actually governing. i would say the way that you do that is start governing, working with the present, passing things. really playing the odds. i think the baynard and mcconnell, stay away from the

majority. host: we also want to talk about presidential politics. first to our phone calls with our two guests. call from chicago. caller: good morning. for the republicans __ mitch mcconnell said that when the president, that they would not work with him. they would do everything they could to aavoid him getting reelected. this past election cycle, once again he said __ if we win the senate, what we'll do is pass bills to reverse anything that we think president obama did. basically, it is an agenda similar to the house.

republicans have no intention of passing anything. they want to come and serve people there anything this president wants is terrible. on the immigration thing __ if we do anything on immigration, it is amnesty. they cannot do that either. they had built a rim around themselves with no door to get out. guest: i would respectfully disagree. i think senator mcconnell has gotten a lot of things done. there is a big caucus of republicans in the senate who are pragmatic. i think there is a real opportunity with senator mcconnell as majority leader for the senate to get the things done.

brian nienaber is a strategist. caller: good morning. what can we do. for the last six years __ i am an african american __ we have been voting for the same party. we are not going anywhere. i think they do not know what the real issues are, they just look at the name, and vote democrats. they're not looking at the issues. what can the republicans do to get the blacks to go back to voting republican and look at the issues. guest: i'm not sure that there is much that voters can do. like the caller said, about 90%

of voters have voted for democratic candidates. republicans have done a good job alienating democratic guest: not something i've looked into for how republicans can do it. i would start with staying away from phrases like self deportation and welfare queens and things like that. if you show voters no respect it is unlikely they are going to vote for you. host: peace inside the new york times. he makes a reference to the interview peter's length conducted with barbara bush who said "i love bill clinton" as they talk about the relationship between each to be -- george h.w. bush and bill clinton. it seems to be a constant source of cable chatter. guest: governor bush is a

formidable candidate. he knows what you need to run for president and i think he would not beginning into this if he did not think he could be formidable. one of the blessings we will have as a party is we will have a lot of formidable candidates. while i think he will be a strong candidate, we will have a number of strong candidates. i expect him to be involved in the first debate. guest: i believe he is running. the hurdle for him is going to be who else gets into the race. if him getting in early scares off the chris christie's, scott walker's, k sick come out of the race -- governor kasich out of the race. jeb bush can win the primaries by doing what rummy did which was end up winning about 35% every state -- what romney did which was end up winning about

35% every state. if more of the what -- moderate wing gets in, they will be dividing up that 36%. it will be interesting to see who ends up popping into this race and how many from each faction of the republican party is in each run -- in each one. host: mike huckabee announced yesterday that he has stepping down from his program on the fox news channel. he posted the announcement on his website. the story is available at politico.com as he discusses whether or not he will run. guest: i think like governor bush he has run before. he knows with the challenges are. he begins with a strong base. his show on fox this popular. i'm struck we do focus groups

with a book of them watch the show. -- with republicans, how many of them watch the show. he is a hero to that wing of the party. he will begin with a strong base of that fox audience. social conservatives who see him as an advocate. host: if you runs, is he formidable? guest: i do not excel. he does a very good job on the stump and in debate -- and in debates. i do not see how he makes it through the primary and i certainly do not see him being a formidable candidate in the general election. in our national poll in december, we asked voters who they are going to vote for. governor bush was ahead in the low teens, which is pretty

standard. we did a follow-up question and asked, if your candidate won the primary and ended up running against hillary, to use your candidate and win? -- do you think your candidate would win? as we went down the line of what i would consider most likely to least likely, it was an inverse relation -- the more obscure the candidate, a ben carson for example, the more his supporters were feeling good about his chances of beating hillary. host: craig crawford, who has been a frequent guest on this network, former executive editor of the hotline. he is also the author of a book on politics, he is been hired by jim webb as he ponders a

presidential bid as a candidate -- as a democrat. craig crawford announced as dim -- indications director. guest: for the democrats, that is pretty much came over and hillary announces. it seems that that is how it is going this year. i do not see anyone out there bank that is going to challenge her in a meaningful way. host: agree or disagree? guest: i think we were having the same conversation in 2007. i'm sorry for craig crawford to be leaving his current position. i thought he was very insightful. i think there are some candidates who could put a challenge to hillary, especially with the democrats having so many caucus elections, where it is easy to rack up delegates with a limited amount of budget

pull it. host: gary is next, independent line. caller: good morning. i used to be a black republican. i noticed the republican party has a racist agenda and could not associate with them anymore. i called to say, in terms of the economy, one must acknowledge what is going on, regardless of how much may feel -- everyone may feel secure, things are much better than they were four years ago. the same words reagan used. the republican party, now that they are in charge of the congress, must maintain economic

prosperity or else there is no way it can be successful in 2016. listening to what you guys just said, the bottom line is the republican party is going to elect someone from the oil industry. either rick perry or jeb bush. they are going to get a corporate sell out and hillary -- the republican party knows how to handle hillary. the democratic party should have a different woman run and win. host: brian nienaber. guest: i think one of the great things -- try to make the party more open to people of different

viewpoints. that is one of the things that has been warming in me to see a party that is more in time with that. what we are going to do is present shall candidates -- i think jed and governor perry are from oil producing states but i would hardly call either of them in the pocket of oil-producing. we will have a governor most likely as a nominee. he will provide a counterexample to someone who can get things done in washington -- as someone who can get things done in washington. host: story online regarding the populist movement to read he bases it on conversations that took place in des moines, iowa. the question is, to the degree in which the rising populist movement on the left can shape the party's future and whether hillary is that person.

you can see from this article, a photograph of elizabeth warren. guest: it is interesting on the democratic side, given what is happening on the democratic -- on the republican side. with the tea party being born in the way they have affected the direction of the party. i would argue, not in a good way when it comes to winning elections in governing. it seems like a good number of democrats look at that and say that is terrible for republicans, we should do the same thing on our side. we have to understand the math behind it. there is a populist wing of the democratic party, not the patient be silenced, but they are a certain percentage of the electorate and they are not big enough to win elections by themselves. the way you win national elections in statewide elections in states that are not deep blue states is, you need to put

together a coalition of voters. that is going to cook -- that is going to include a lot of people in the center. if we want to have the white house in control of the senate back, that is not going to be going left area that is going to be make people in the center comfortable with who we are. democrats need to understand we are not tied to republicans when it comes to our job approval. we used to have a 20 point it vantage. -- a 20 point advantage. that is not how you get people to be back -- to want you to be back in the majority. the way that you get that a but if the percent is not by going far left. host: brian nienaber, studied at george washington university and is the vice president of the tarrance group.

a democrat and republican here at the table to get your calls and comments as we look ahead to the politics of 2015. caller: good morning. when you mentioned control of congress, you did not mention they control the supreme court. the supreme court has five republican members and four of them are out and out tea party republicans. that is a strong club that the republican party has in their favor. i do not believe w bush -- i think he spoiled everything for jeb bush. jed is the best one of the bush family -- host: thank you. as reported in his turn to the

courts to aid in their agenda. your response. guest: there are five that had been appointed by republicans. i would not count david souter as a tea party republican. i think one of the problems with acrimony in washington is courts -- last session the court had to decide what constitutes a recess because congress and the president could not agree. for good or bad, things have gotten stagnated that we are -- so stagnated that we are running to the courts. i think the supreme court did not rule the way -- on obamacare. you can look at the leaders of congress and the president and say they are more willing to work this out in a way that they all know the outcome and are not waiting until the spring. host: david souter is no longer

on the supreme court. let me ask you if there is a retirement of a conservative member of the supreme court of the next two years. what can we expect? guest: it could be a contentious hearing. the district committee tends to be the committee were most of the partisans on both sides sit. i think it would be in the order of the second term reagan hearings when he had supreme court justices. i give will be very contentious and be interested to see how it turns out. host: alan is next, republican line. caller: good morning. it is my number one show to tell you the truth.

you need to get a new day job mr. stephen. i would like to know we are crystal ball is two years out. there is a group or affect, if you did not know about it. to my view, a lot of people talked about gruber in terms of how he feels about america and bringing forth obamacare. i think he comes to his moment with jesus and is starting to tell the truth. he is the first democrat that is telling the truth. if you look at the candidates that could be available for the democratic party, they are all over 70 years old. i do not get it. there is no young people in the democratic party that would be a possible candidate in 2016. you are still faced with king

passed all these lies in scandals that have -- getting past all these lies in scandals. i'm so scared for the people who lost their insurance and went into being tortured by the democratic party. nobody has ever come out and said this. i am saying it. a have been tortured. host: thank you for phoning in. today is the 20th anniversary of this program, washington journal. guest: the presidential elections are the most predictable elections that we have. there has been a pattern going back to the 1970's that really breaks. dealing time something goes against the pattern is when you have a ross perot candidate changing the dynamic of things.

the caller wants to go on our website, we have a memo on our website that shows a model that we put together that predicts presidential elections going to 2032. two years from 2012, we were on average, off b by .8%. we can pretty much tell you, unless there is some drastic shift in dynamic, the democrats are in the driver seat going into 2016 without question. host: another story from peter sullivan in which the comments of senator rubio saying that immigration will not be a bonanza for the republicans. he told the new york times that republicans need to have an immigration solution before 2016. guest: i think senator rubio is right. he is put more effort in this

than maybe anybody in the senate. this is an issue that poses a variety of threats. it is a national security threat. there is concern about who they are and what their intentions are. it is a policy failure that we have an immigration system that does not work. we end up in the situation where we have too many people who are here illegally. we need to come up with a solution as a party. otherwise, we look at what are the other things we can do while governing?

we are a lot further along than some of the other thorny issues facing the country. caller: i would like to say, the progressives have done something . they take the tree away from black people who gave it -- and gave it to illegals. the blacks voted for for 50 years. if dr. king was here today, he would kick black caucuses pass asses. host: we will get a response. guest: this is an example of i think, wide minority -- minority voters are turned off.

host: our next call is donald from ross perot, north carolina on the democrats line -- roxboro north carolina on the democrats line. caller: congratulations on your 20th anniversary on c-span. host: brian lam started it not me. it is not my 20th anniversary. [laughter] caller: i want to say something to both of your guests. republican strategist needs to look at the film "selma" and get a historical view of what is wrong with the republican party. they are trying to change the times. i had more voting rights in 1968 than i do in 2000 -- in 2015.

to the democratic strategist you people need to get a grip. i've been a lifelong democrat. this past election, you do not stand for nothing. you do not know how to stand up for yourself. republicans didn't stand up on lies and get away with all that junk. you guys stand for nothing. you had gas prices going to the lowest thing i've ever seen in a long time. you had people who got health care for the first time in their lives, and you did not stand on that. you ran away from obama. no wonder you lose the election. you might win in 2016, but you guys better get a grip on yourself. relate a week -- you are like a week pair of panties laces. host: we will get a response from both of our guests. guest: i know there have been a

number of his stories -- historical challenges on how accurate "selma" is. producing a picture id or utility bill is hardly on the order of some of the challenges people faced in the 50's and 60's in the jim crow south. i do not know his personal experience is but i would not put those as historical equivalents. i think that is one of the challenges we face is that people are too quick to jump to this hyperbolic language that this is the worst it is ever been. i think we need to look at the challenges people faced in jim crow south. it is nowhere near what you face today in terms of your right to vote. host: to the caller's second point, was it a mistake not to run on some of the issues the

president was putting in front of the country like the economy? guest: absolutely. i want to say i'm not in control of the party, so do not blame me. i agree with his premise and i think you should come to washington and talk to a few folks. it is absurd that you have a democratic president in the white house and that you're going to -- things are moving in the right direction, a lot of victories to point to. that anyone in the party would "run away" from the president. we look at some of the senators, they voted for the affordable care act. all of these members did vote for the affordable health care act. to run away from the president was a little absurd. i think we saw the result of that. i agree 100%. democrats did not have any vision methods, anything other

than pointing to figure -- pointing the finger. he saw the results were. we see our approval ratings in the low 30's. we have no coherent message as a party of why you should vote for us. all we have is what you should not vote republican. host: who was the only senator -- african-american senator to win reelection in the first african-american senator? the answer is edward brooks. his obituary in the new york times being described as a pioneer. he received a gold medal -- a congressional gold medal in two dozen nine. -- in 2009. edward brooke, first elected in 1966 and reelected to a second term, that at the age of 95. a flag at the u.s. capitol will be held at -- flown at half

staff. jerry, democrats line, good morning. caller: good morning. these two candidates leading the pack are going to run this country -- it is pre-scary. -- it is pretty scary. i hear that jeb bush is a nice guy come he brings the entire republican package with him. summary people in this election best so many people in this election. what they should do is do away with the electoral college. in california, nobody votes anyway because it is not democratic anyway, so why bother? bring back the popular vote and get away from this way they do it now. host: interesting comments. another caller earlier saying we should do away with the

presidential veto. guest: i think it is an interesting idea. it is worth the discussion. i'm not holding my breath. we have given a disproportionate amount of weight to eight or 10 states every four years. states like california, texas, mississippi, alabama are pretty much irrelevant when it comes to presidential politics in the sense that we know where the state is going to go. these elections are predictable. 40 out of the 50 states get completely ignored and do not get visited by candidates. i'm not sure if that serves the purpose of the country. i think it would be interesting if candidates on both sides had to play a national game and started thinking about how you talk to a majority of people in

the country versus how do you talk to a majority of people in eight to 10 states. host: john boehner met with reporters. [video clip] >> obamacare is hurting our economy and middle-class families. it is hurting the ability for employers to create more jobs. the house sometime next year will move to repeal obama care because it should be repealed and replaced with commonsense reforms that respect the doctor-patient relationship. whether that can pass the senate, i do not know. in the house, it will pass. that does not mean that we should not do other things. there are bipartisan bills that have passed the house, sitting in the senate, that would make changes to obamacare.

i think there is a bipartisan majority in the house and senate for getting rid of the independent payment advisory board. how about the individual mandate? there are democrats and republicans who believe this is unfair. just because we may not be able to get everything we want does not mean we should not try to get will be can. host: very likely facing a presidential veto. what realistically do you think the house and senate would do? guest: you saw the genius of john boehner as a legislative leader. he comes out to the hard right of his caucus and says we will have a vote on repealing obamacare. there are things, that he mentioned, the medical device

tax. these are ideas that are broadly in popular -- unpopular. you can make this something that is more manageable and bipartisan. then you meet a president who will meet you halfway. host: natalie is next. caller: i am thrilled to be on c-span. to take out the rich against the poor, the black against the white, what i would like to focus on -- we are $18 trillion in debt. no manufacturing jobs, which leads to crime and poverty. what would happen if 11 million illegal muggle muslims were in this country? but would everyone do?

if you angela's questions for me, i would appreciate it. -- if you would those questions for me, i would appreciate it. guest: i think one of the biggest issues facing immigration is that we have millions who are here illegally. a number of them are probably working service industry jobs, trying the very best to make a life of themselves. there are people here, illegally, who probably mean us harm. we have a difficult time tracking them. if we had some sort of comprehensive immigration reform , we would be -- we would make it easier on law enforcement and others to find people who are here illegally who do not want to come forward as they are up to something big not want people to know about. host: paul, good morning. independent line.

caller: i have several things to say. first off __ the republican strategies. this immigration thing is a winning issue for republicans, if they use it and explain how it hurts the average worker __ they are taking our jobs, the cost of them coming here. the democrats, most of these people vote democrat because they are poor, from socialist countries, and they want a welfare state. they want welfare, and big government. the other thing is __ the hispanic voter.

romney did not lose because of the hispanic vote, because the white vote in ohio, michigan, florida. the northeastern midwest people why people vote democrat. guest: not really sure where to start. the myth of hispanic voters is a good one. obama won 39% of white voters, the lowest percent of white voters that any democratic candidate has ever gotten, and still won. if you want to consider this a myth, you will keep losing presidential elections. again, this keeps going back to the point __ you hear callers like this __ it creates an atmosphere where __ why would hispanic or african voters want to associate themselves with

the sort of viewpoint. that certainly is the frame that things tend to come out and. it keeps perpetuating the problem the republicans have. again, if they cannot get below that 60% threshold when it comes to hispanic voters. assuming that republicans go at the 90% level, they will not win the white house. host: weave about 10 to 15 minutes in our sunday roundtable. as we look at the new congress and the year ahead in politics. ron from west virginia, good morning. ron, are you with us? we lost ron.

going next to steve. caller: congratulations to c_span. it is gray, but i do believe you abide sometimes. host: why do you say that? caller: the way some things are handled. i think it is a great time for a new party __ the ftc __ follow the constitution. the american people are not stupid. what this administration, and everybody associated with it, on both sides of the aisle __ ronald reagan was right. both sides __ ffirst of all the democrats have no issues, and republicans cannot articulate their issues. i think i would beat hillary

clinton. i think this is a great time for a third_party. 82 million people did not vote. that is because they cannot tell the difference. host: hey, steve, based on this party that you want to create __ who do you look to in american politics that could be that? caller: unfortunately, it is ben carson. i feel that way because of listening to him. i think the romney had it right on. but, he missed it because he did not articulate and get past some of these blocks that were thrown. he did not get past some of these lies. there are people out there.

host: thank you for your call. guest: i respectfully disagree. i say he raises a good point. certainly, what the constitution envisions is a government that is much smaller. i think there is a great opportunity for candidate to run on that __ i will make the government less intrusive in your life, and provide your state more opportunity to meet your needs. host: ronald is on the phone. caller: good morning. c_span is the greatest show going. number one, vote for your own self, do not worry about

whoever. we just got 5000 soldiers killed, bankruptcy __ what country will they and __ invade this time. guest: back to the former comment __ i do not know if the ben carson led party is really the third party that could win around the country. there certainly is __ we see negativity towards both parties __ the general dissatisfaction with what is going on. theoretically, when you look at the numbers, yes. it is right for a third_party. there are two problems __ we're parties that control the

mechanisms. also, it is also better in theory that when you actually get into the issues. people are in the middle for different reasons. some are __ when you start again to actual details, he gets very difficult. even in areas where republicans or democrats have a lot on who will get elected, you can start giving moderates more of a chance of winning. host: the gop is sparking a lot of discussion on her twitter page. one of our viewers saying that romney lost because his voters did not turn out to vote.

he is not a conservative and gop will lose again if they run a liberal. guest: i think ronnie did have a two_pronged problem. we certainly had a lower turnout of voters. i would imagine that the candidates we have running now, who are likely to run, our governors, senators, people who have governed as conservatives, and done so in a way where they have gotten things done in washington. in 2016, we need to put forward really solid candidates, and a message that voters have an alternative way of getting things done. host: dd has this point on her twitter page.

by the way, there is already a constitutional party. guest: people can vote for. host: going to the republican mind. caller: when did it all start. when immigrants had to get the vote __ went __ when did that all start? how come sharpton is getting away with it and everybody knows that he owes millions? guest: i would hardly say i'm an expert on immigration. i would say we have a system where the number of immigrants

is not sufficient __ we end up in a situation where people with lower skilled jobs are reduced. that ends up with people who are illegal. people with incredibly low wages come here to make a living. we have millions of undocumented people here. we do not know what the situation is. i would agree with the caller that the situation was sharpton __ he should face a bit more punishment. host: ken buck, the republican freshman senator, on

"newsmakers," coming up. on tuesday, we take you to the capital for the beginning of the 114th congress. tuesday morning. live coverage of the swearing in. marking the start of this new congress. the senate on c_span 2. ellie is on the phone. caller: good morning. i think the "washington journal" and c_span is one of the best programs. host: thank you. caller: i really do appreciate it. i was never politically savvy. up until about 10 years ago, i started to really read. i bought a book about the constitution.

i am really frightened about the direction that our country is going in with republicans taking the leadership. i use that term loosely. the constitution was written over 235 years ago. they could never envision what we have today. thomas jefferson said __ the constitution should be reviewed every 20 years. the constitution is subject to interpretation. back __ that could be anyone. our country has become more divided. from day one, when president

obama was inaugurated, the 17 republicans were meeting, block, and vowed to obstruct everything disbanded. the biggest filibusters __ you name it __ they have obstructed it. they have the rhetoric to keep on. compare different things that you hear. i'm sorry to say __ the american voters hurt themselves by not being informed about both parties. host: thank you for your call. a story from thehill.com, when it comes to climate change, the refrain from the republican is i am not a scientist. how would you respond?

guest: there's nothing about coordinating a message. i think to the extent __ i know it is frustrating to people in opposition party __ i think we expect the government to have two sides. the president has been unwilling to meet us halfway. guest: i agree with brian for the most part. i think the problem is it does not stop anymore. both parties have always coordinating on messaging, that is nothing new. you look back at the 1980's, at

the end of the day, when elections were over, we sit down and say, how can we get things past. people will work together, and passed bills. i think we saw a little bit of this on the cromnibus bill. i think what we have lost here is that campaigns never stop. it is always about winning the next election the day after the previous election. that is why nothing is getting done. it has almost become more important to win points for the next election that actually govern. host: our next call is from iowa. good morning, david. caller: i would like to ask the democratic strategist __ what was the unemployment rate for african americans when obama took office? what is it now?

what has the democratic party done to help since then? also, you are telling me that the unemployed people that we have in this country are too damn dumb to do the jobs that are being required. we need an educated foreigners coming into this country to do the jobs that dumb unemployed people are too stupid to do today. i do not understand your theory of thought. guest: i cannot quote the exact unemployment rate. i think it was about 16% and maybe at 9% now. this goes back to my bigger point __ how things are phrased.

if you look at a lot of the work that undocumented immigrants are doing. when it comes to dishwashers in restaurants, migrant farmworkers __ literally these are jobs that people in this country do not want to do. it is not a question of smartness, dominance, anything like that __ it is just too is willing to do the jobs. people are not coming here just to hang out. they're coming to work so that they can send money back to their families. i think the one thing __ we're moving, and have been moving for a while towards a new economy. yes, manufacturing jobs are moving away. that is just the nature of the economy.

yes, workers __ just because you were gathered auto plant, pputting one part of an auto together, does not need your necessary qualified to put computers together. these are things that we can be doing as a country __ pproviding training. ensuring that people are able to move into new types of manufacturing jobs. that is how we move forward as a country. it is a zero sum game as to who is winning and who is losing. host: can mitch mcconnell put aside his differences to work together with president obama? guest: i certainly think so. he said he has a good relationship with vice president biden and others. there is a real opportunity there. i think he is willing to do the work.

one other note about the passing of mayor cuomo __ he bypassed both elections, whitey think he didn't decide to run for president? guest: i'm not sure why anyone would want to run for president. it is awful. this is almost like the modern catch_22. if you are smart enough to not run for president, you are smart enough to be president. do __ i think he considered if you wanted to do this, and the answer was no. host: think you both very much for being with us. happy new year.

>> monday night on "the communicators," three technology professors talk about key technology in the new year. >> the chairman is not expected to unveil his proposal until february or march at the earliest which gives an opening for republicans in congress to introduce a bill about net neutrality of their own. what will the chairman do in response to that? is that going to force him to move more quickly? or is it going to put him in a position where he will have to do some horse trading and negotiation with congressional republicans? that is not clear yet. i think that is something we will be watching. >> i think there will be final rules on net neutrality. president obama came out in support of reclassifying broadband service under title ii of the communications act, which will treat it like a utility.

the broadband industry are fiercely opposed to this. there is a lot of pressure on sherman buhler to go that route. we will see in the first few months what happens there. even once the rules are on the books, the fight is not necessarily over. there will be lawsuits, almost certainly, from industry groups like verizon and comcast especially if chairman wheeler does what the president wants. >> we are talking about net neutrality against the backdrop of the communications act update it is a multiyear effort republicans in congress have taken. and now that the republicans controlled the senate, we will see it there. i have that working as well. the republicans in the house want to get pen to paper in january. we could see that very soon. that is a tool for congressional republicans to push back on any overage. >> monday night at 8:00 eastern on the communicators on c-span 2.

tonight on c-span, "q and a" with the national council of la raza president and ceo janet murguia. >> this week on "q&a," our guest is janet murguia, president of the national council of la raza, the largest advocacy group in the united states. >> janet murguia, president and ceo of the national council of la raza. i noticed that la raza is interpreted several different ways in english. >> that is correct. it has many interpretations as many words do.