bush showing a lead in iowa. new hampshire. guest: it is good news for jeb bush. it is bad news that he is not running away with it. when george bush burst on the scene, he was not just the choice of establishment republicans, but conservative republicans, and grassroots republicans as well. that will not be the case for jeb bush. at some level, if he survives it will be a good thing for him. if he makes it through the primary elections, that will be a good thing. he has been off the campaign trail for a long time. host: let's give them one more call here. john. caller: i think that president

obama said 22 different times that he does not have the authority to grant amnesty to illegals. i do not know if you flying then , or lying when he actually did it. congress's job is to legislate. because they don't, did i give obama the right to go ahead and let illegals in. the problem is -- you spoke about the sport of child. the spoiled child is saying unless i get to break the law you will not get to find hhs. congress has a right to stand up for itself and say, we do not want to let you overreach like you are obviously doing. host: so do you think it is worth shutting down the homeland security department over this? caller: i wonder of the democrats do think that. let the president overreach and practice what he is not capable or does not have the right to do .

i goes around and does the anyway. then the democrats say, we are for him breaking the law. host: that brings us back to where we started the conversation. what will happen with funding the department of homeland security? that deadline looming. guest: what really changed is that he wanted an excuse to tell democrats and the latino community, in particular, why he was not doing anything for them. so for 22 times, he said i did not have the authority to do it. that change. he decided he wanted to do it for them. it ends up being for the party for illegal immigrants, from various countries. he wanted to do that.

he changed his tune. he said, actually, i can do this. that is the big gains. it is a simple matter of politics. host: jonathan dowling, thank you for your time. coming up next, american enterprise institute senior fellow, karlyn bowman will be here. later, our weekly your money segment continues with a look at infrastructure spending and how much president obama has proposed in the 2016 budget. we will be right back. ♪ >> tonight on "the

communicators" -- talking on the proposal of net neutrality. >> the chairman has said we will not regulate and hate. i do not know who the next deputy chairman is. the next deputy chairman may try to throw this out. i do not really by the "next chairman" argument. the rules are only as good as the guy or the gow on the eighth floor and forcing them. we have to do our best to set up in every structure will protect consumers, preserve and open internet -- the greatest driver of innovation that this world has known. >> that is tonight on the communicators on c-span two. february is black history month and the c-span buses on the road visiting the top black colleges

and universities around the country. this tuesday during "washington journal" we will be in nashville at fisk university followed by morehouse college in atlanta. >> "washington journal" continues. host: we're back with karlyn bowman. here to talk about a new poll on how committees are viewing law enforcement. the president in early march created this -- his task force on policing will be delivering a report. the president putting this group together to think of ways to better communities and policing. how challenging do you think that will be based on the poll? guest: i think will be extraordinarily challenging given the differences between blacks and whites and their view on police in general.

well i decided do with my colleagues was to look at polls from the major pollsters to see how people view police overtime and how that has changed. host: what did you find out? just look at this graphic a great deal, quite a lot of confidence in police. police get 53% compared to other institutes. guest: that is actually a pretty good rating. it has not changed much over time. what we see what we look but need the numbers is that views between whites and blacks are very different as far as having confidence with police. host: what did you find out? guest: like i said, whites are much more confident than blacks. it is interesting to look it national data, but also to look at state and local data and how people feel about police in their communities. host: why is it? what is behind the numbers that whites tend to have more confidence in police and blacks? what did you find out? guest: i think one of the things

we was a particularly is whether or not americans believe that african-americans face discrimination by the police. whites and blacks differed and the responses. over time, they have moved closer in their belief that police discriminate against blacks. host: what has the impact of recent situations like michael brown in ferguson and the grand jury decision in new york? guest: people have followed those situations they closely. again. whites and blacks have a two reviews over this. there were more similarities in the eric garner case in new york than in ferguson where look like what some blacks where on the opposite end of the spectrum regarding the decision. host: how do things different

when it comes to community police or this national issue of policing? guest: i was looking at a poll the other day. bankers -- people were a lot more positive about their own anger. people feel a lot more confident about their own police. there is still a black and white gap. host: explain not a bit more. it seems like this would always be part of the task force solution. if the community knows that police officers, they were are more likely to have confidence and trust in them. guest: absolutely. people do believe that more training of local police will be helpful. most americans have confidence in the police in their local community. they need to address his overall. host: what kind of training? guest: the kinds of things that public opinion has surveyed is

whether or not police should where video cameras. both whites and blacks think that is a good idea. whether or not they should have special prosecutors. people said, yes, overall that is a good idea. americans are very skeptical about militarization of the police. both whites and blacks are concerned about that trend. there are some areas of agreement that the polls are 22. -- pointing to. host: what about this mistrust from minority communities? what they see of the police officers question like there was wide criticism in ferguson about what the police were wearing and what they were doing. how does that fuel mistrust and lack of confidence? guest: i think militarization, seeing police and military uniforms or using military vehicles, that heightens concern about the police in local

communities. that is especially true for african-americans. host: let's get to the phone calls. there is a fourth line set aside this morning for law enforcement. (202) 748-0003. we will go to david first and albuquerque, new mexico. good morning. caller: i have a comment. i kind of have a disregard for the police. my reason for that is -- it's basically, you can blame it on the media. it seems to me like they put police on pedestals. like they are bigger than anyone else. one instance of that is whenever there is a cop that is shot, for instance, then they put everybody out in force looking for the murderer or whatever. if i get shot, that does not happen.

that is basically what my, is. -- my comment is. guest: there is skepticism of the police for reasons that you mention. i think that is something that they will try to adjust with this tax force -- task force. host: artie is up next. caller: hello. my concerns are the lethal weapon issue. you have police out there using stun guns, rubber bullets tasers and not knowing the physical abilities or the fact that these interests to cause death. these are legal weapons. why don't they call it what it is? my second point is the training that these police go through.

take eric garner and staten island. there were 10 police man around this man. he was unarmed. i'm nonviolent offense. selling cigarettes. 10 policemen put their heads together and decided the best outcome was for this man to be carried out on a stretcher dead. there is something wrong there. guest: the caller did point to some things i think the polls have revealed. particularly some of the use of weaponry that police have been using. also in a poll from 2014, 80% of blacks and 60% of white said that some of this weaponry should only be reserved for national guard and military. host: why is that? guest: i think people think local police forces need some

weaponry, but the increased use of military weaponry that has been made available to them as we wind down our pres -- participation in wars abroad. host: this poll from cbs saying that most police officers need better training on how to deal with confrontations with civilians. what were the results of that? guest: again, 80% of life and 59% of whites said that police officers could use better trading. -- training. i think that is what the caller is speaking to. host: this issue will be a just by the whitehall -- white house task force on policing in this waiver century. it will release the report in early march to the president about what should be done. what sort of training should

police officers get. we want to hear from you this morning. what sort of training should police officers get? jordan from -- george from louisville, kentucky. caller: good morning. my take, my p perception is what kind of people are attracted to law enforcement. under the surface, there is an emotional and psychological need for power over people. it is often narcissistic bully the end up in these positions. also, i believe the blue wall of silence. the next time a police officer testifies against the police officer in a court of law will be the first time. they take up against a citizen -- for a citizen against the

police officer will be the first time. they do not go after their own. other than that, i think grand jury's -- prosecutors will not go after police officers in the branch. i think this is what injuries to my own personal the stress. i have been lied on in police reports. i do see this as a big problem. guest: your point about the type of people attracted to the job. i number of polls have asked questions about that recently. the question asked, would you approve of your children becoming police officers? 60% of whites said yes, and 43% of whites. another pollster as whether or not your child would think about this as a future profession. 60% suggest the child think

about it as a future profession. a doctor or engineer is rates much higher. but police officer is ranked at around bankers. host: we were just showing our viewers right now, you can see engineer, dr., scientists. those top that list. over here, next to that, you see police officer ranks after journalists, but before bankers, farmers, priests. member of congress coming in last. union leader actually coming in last. al in boston. go ahead. independent caller. caller: good morning. very interesting since now the fbi did their investigation. the media has been very quiet on this whole ferguson thing. how come the question is not about the media? potentially incitin its siting of

these people over the ferguson issue. there are many black on black crimes. why is that not brought up? why ferguson? i wonder why. back to insight this country before an election because we have a black president? guest: there are many polls in the public domain about the media. people are very skeptical about the media these days. they think it is sensational. michael brown led to that. there certainly questions in the polls about the media. host: what about the role of the government? in funding the police communities, giving police communities resources. what are people saying about that? do they think that is money well spent? guest: i think they do feel it is money well spent. as one of the issues that the task force will address.

the kind of money available to police for the training we have been discussing. host: robert from st. louis missouri. caller: good morning. i really like c-span. i would like to say the last guest with bloomberg the washington bureau chief, he mentioned something about benghazi and a bunch of cia guys ready. they are not military. i just wanted to save the embarrassment for c-span. like i really did not know much about what he was talking about. and terms of ferguson, i used to live there. i live in st. louis city proper currently. i used to get stopped by police all the time in the county. white guys. that's what they do. if you are young, they will harass you. they think -- and actually, we

are up to adventurous things a lot of times. i do not think it is so much about race as it is about young people, young males. if there were a lot of young white guys, they would be harassing them as well. it is unfortunate what happened. it's unfortunate about the police officer and the young man. michael brown. guest: i think the caller makes a good point about young people in particular and police being sensitive to the activities of young people. in this case, it ended tragically in ferguson. host: do the polls show that? guest: we have not looked in a very closely. the big stand out here is the racial question. caller: i just want to ask one thing. how can you testify on a man being choked to death for

selling cigarettes outside of a store, and then the white jury, when they took the case then, they did not prosecute the police. how in god's name is this fair? that's all. host: let get to that question as to how people view it -- the policing of police and punishment of police. guest: that is a good point overall. if you look at the polls on the eric garner situation in new york city, whites and blacks were closer together about that situation overall. that does raise the question and it does concern americans, particularly african about police practices overall. host: how does that breakdown? as you may know, a grand jury has decided not being charges against a white police officer

in ferguson, missouri. the poll asked if you agree, or disagree, look out this breaks down. guest: you have whites and blacks very different. 91% of blacks disapprove. host: is this something that the task force has to address as well? guest: certainly they will be looking into these questions overall. host: david from new jersey, welcome to the conversation. a republican. caller: thank you for taking my call. i was almost shot by police men in an era a few years ago. i had an interesting opportunity to speak with him. i've worked all my life and health care, and that the health. i got to talk to him and he told me things that were counterintuitive to things that we go through. he says, when you escalate, the

police escalate. he was pointing out how they respond. i'm trained differently. we are trained to de-escalate in the mental health profession. what kind of help do the least get for stress that they have in their job. he says, if we shoot or kill someone, there is a debriefing. on a regular preventative racists, there was nothing to deal with the stresses. they are incredible, i do acknowledge that. guest: i think those are excellent points. when the situation is escalating, it is difficult for everyone involved. in your training, the escalating a situation is so different. a makes us appreciate how difficult these jobs can be. also, i think the stress levels can be very great, i have not seen any public holes on that though. host: we are about public opinions on police.

we are speaking with karlyn bowman. we will go to marion in chicago. a democratic caller. caller: hello. host: you are on the air. we are listening. caller: i just wanted to say that in ferguson, even after the killing by the police, there were two policemen with guns. and as one skinny guy with a knife. they asked him to put the knife down, and he did not put it down. what i was wondering is why could they not shoot him with a stun gun, or other way to prevent him from getting to them. they just shot him to death. they shot him about four times. in another case, i saw on tv, they showed where a white guy

got out of the car, pointed his gun at the police, and somehow they did not shoot him. a matter of fact, they did not hurt him. they controlled him. this is why black people feel a different way. then, you hear people calling in and saying no white kids -- there are white kids they get in trouble and do all kinds of things, but you never hear about them. you only hear about what the black kids do. guest: the points are well taken overall. there is no question that african-americans have a different view. i number of the posters have looked at these questions. for example, a question asked in september, toys 14, how much confidence do you have of

police in your community. only 28% of blacks say that they are treated equally overall. only 30% of african-americans say that the use force. 58% of african americans say they are doing a good job overall. clearly, african americans do have a very different perception. what we are talking about here in the polls our perception. the caller, i think you make a good point. host: what about 1995, 40 9% of like said that they think the police were doing a good job in their communities. that has reason -- 10 to 15% what you make of the difference? guest: i think it could have to do with sampling. it is possible that it was a

response to what they've been hearing. when asked about police officers and their own communities people are typically more positive about that. host: fill from north dakota, an independent caller. caller: how are you doing this morning? host: doing well. caller: thanks for having me on this morning. i'm sitting here watching and everyone's complaining about the police. what do you want the police to do to keep you safe? do you want them to turn their backs on certain crimes. do you want them to let things go? these guys are out here to do a job and keep us safe so that my children and my grandchildren can walk down the street and be safe. they do not know who is carrying guns anymore. eight years year olds and 10-year-olds are carrying guns. they are just tried to protect themselves while attacking us. guest: your point is well taken.

for example, when people asked how strongly do you agree or disagree that police officers have a positive impact? 72% of african-americans and over 80% of whites. when asked how much confidence to people have in police and a community to protect them from violent crimes? once again, blacks and whites on the same page with that statement. those are both positive statements about police. i think it is something that reflects what you mention in your call overall. host: gus from florida. independent caller. caller: good morning. i'm calling in regards to the law enforcement officers training and the use of firearms . i basis upon the caller that called in on the day that

ferguson was first given. he was the last caller about five minutes to 11:00. he said that the fbi training is training law enforcement officers as though they were the enemy -- what they would do to an enemy. you see that on all the programs. the training -- firearms qualifications there training is to kill, not disable or di disarm. the law enforcement officers need to be retrained to not kill but disabled. host: karlyn bowman. guest: thank you for that. americans certainly believe that officers need better training. this is one question. 85% of african-americans and 59%

of whites said that police need better training on situations with civilians. i think that is the point you made. host: we will go to dock in baton rouge, louisiana. you are next. go ahead. caller: hello. have you heard of a person named dylan taylor? guest: no. caller: dylan taylor was a white youth who was unarmed and shot by black police officers in utah. the ground jury found no evidence of any wrongdoing. no rioting. nothing written in fact. nothing was said in the news. i heard about one day and that was the end of it. these people are calling in about the police officers. their house is being broken

into, or the wife is getting host: we will move on to maurice in new york, new jersey. you are on the air. our fourth line is set aside this morning for law enforcement . we want to hear from you as well. go ahead, maurice. guest: i'm from it -- caller: i'm am from a town in new york. i have not had anyone call in that knows what it is like to live the life of a black person in this country. it is just crazy. it is like saying to a person that i know how you feel fear mom has passed away, but your grandmother still living. you have no idea unless you are put in these. it is great that all around the world they act like there isn't a difference on approach on the people sworn in to be the

service to protect society. in our communities, it is more of a threat when police roll up because we do not know if we are going to be picked and chose on that particular day to be a victim of a crime that they say we committed. host: all right, maurice. guest: your point is illustrated by the data that we have. there very different experiences whether it is shopping or getting a residential loan or whether it is dealing with the police. there are very long-standing differences. there was a period after barack obama was elected that race relations would improve significantly. that has tarnished in the last or use. host: what are your expectations for this task force that president obama has put together and how do you think this administration will differ from previous administrations? guest: they're focusing on the media attention at this point. think about the police and we

will wait to hear what some of the expectations -- recommendations are that the task force made -- makes. there is clearly disagreement between blacks and whites. host: we have a republican in arkansas. caller: i am sorry about the deal that happened in ferguson and i hope that doesn't happen again. god made to everyone equal. if michael brown had been doing what he was supposed to fight and instead of trying to rob a store and push someone around, than i do not think he would be dead today. who is anybody to say that i am better than you are? that is what is happening with this world. the blacks are thinking that they are better than anybody else. therefore, it has been that way. host: why do you say that? what evidence you have of that?

guest: all the blacks get everything free. they do not work for that money. host: that is a gross generalization about a group an entire group of people. caller: yes, i know. but there is that type of people. i've been to different places. i used to work and i've been to all 50 states. there was people that i would meet that would be great people and there are people that i would meet that would not be great. host: we will move on. tony in chapel hill, tennessee. hello, tony. caller: good morning. there are several things i would like to say. i'm a vietnam veteran and i'm retired. back when i was 16 years old i was in the parking lot of the school. cops would come and give us a bad time in chase me around and kick my feet apart and all.

i love cops. i even wanted to be one. later on in my life when i was 29 years old, i started hang around with people who were cops and they were not protecting and serving anyone. they were harassing and kicking. you are stopped and thought of a criminal immediately. he was a fine young man he started. by the time that he got out, he was critical of everyone and everyone was a suspect. host: thank you. we will take your point. guest: he has some very good points. we do see very differences in perception again. it is not surprising that a lot of people get upset. and i goes back to the earlier caller about the stress overall. host: what about the polls about how the police officers be the

public? guest: i've not seen any polls lately. host: on twitter, they say cops need constant updating of their training, but the public needs more accurate information from the press two. caller: how are you girls? i personal experience but i would like to make a simple point that no one seems to be addressing. i'm a white female. my brother was murdered when he was 14 years old. he was not involved in drugs or anything else. the point is that the state of pennsylvania close his case three years after it happened. i'm wondering how much of a corrupted system to have to clean up first. host: so this issue of corruption and how people view police? guest: i am very sorry for your loss. that is an issue that has come up in the polls that i have seen about corruption. host: not in issue?

guest: i've not seen that come up and pollsters have not asked about it. host: we have a democratic color. good morning to you. caller: i am retired new york city. there is definitely a problem all the years i've been on the job. i want the task force interview black police officers and it was probably be the best way of taking a picture of what is going on. there are many instances that occurred with police officers in new york city and many other states and i'm a member of the national black police association. the grand council police in the city of new york dass in the 60's, 70's, and ladies. there is truly a problem with

race relations in the way treatment of police. host: howard's suggestion for the task force there. by the way, the cochairs of this 21st century police task force on your screen. commissioner charles ramsey and lloyd robinson who is a professor at george mason university. the task force will come up with the recommendations for the white house in early march. we will one last phone call in here. this is lee linz, mrs. a -- lee linz, mississippi. caller: i want you to understand that there has historically been to standards. as ben white european american society standards and there have been standards of people of color. i've been a table game manager. i've been a military specialists. i have specialist information on

on missile systems. i've been a game manager at casinos. i've managed restaurants. i been responsible for hundreds of thousands of even millions of dr. -- dollars of property and yet, i was going to chicago and my home town to visit my family. i was going to be back in the gaming industry. i didn't touch it. now i am accused of breaking into a vehicle and locked in a cook county jail for six months. now, i cannot work back in the industry that i worked in my whole life. there were no broken locks, no broken doors. just the police picked me up. not only that, they said that i the persons id on me. everybody in chicago knows how racist they are. they told the grand jury that

they put this id on me. i was convicted of the crime with no evidence. there were no broken locks. host: blake, we will stop you there. what do you hear from that caller? guest: that is absolutely reflected in the polls. he is proclaiming his own innocence overall and that is one of the differences between blacks and whites. host: let's recap here. what is the big take away from this poll? guest: very big differences between blacks and whites and their level of confidence in the police nationally. their close on the same page overall, but still an enormous amount of concerns about the militarization of police and the lack of training and they need more training overall. just a lot of distance between blacks and whites on these issues. host: outlets -- the outlines

the challenges of this 21st century task force that the president has put together and they will make their regulations in early march. if you want to my more about the poll, go to aei.org. karlyn bowman is a senior fellow for them. we appreciate your time. coming up next, your closing views on how much the u.s. should be spending on infrastructure in this country. that is the topic of our your money segment this week. we will have that next. ♪ corrects>> this 108 members in congress

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we are focusing on infrastructure in this country. me introduce you to chris edwards whose tax policy director at cato introduced -- institute. and robert is a fellow. robert, what bridges would you give -- what grade would you give the infrastructure? guest: than a insurance -- the nation's infrastructure is in bad shape. we build the system throughout the 1950's and 1960's. it has to be maintained and rehabilitated. we have to fix what is on the ground now. we also have to know the kind of infrastructures that we need to compete in the 21st century. look around the world and we see that other countries are doing to help with trade and to move passengers and move tough mexican -- telecommunications. host: chris edwards, what grade

would you give it? guest: it depends on the infrastructure and their sort of mixed data on it. a lot of people say our bridges are falling down, but there is good data from our highway administration showing that a number of limited -- american bridges that are structurally deficient has declined over the years. the highways are getting more condensed. that is true. in terms of a quality interstate in our bridges, they are in pretty decent shape. host: you obviously disagree. who should pay for what needs to be done and who should pay for it? who is this possible? -- who is responsible? guest: there are a lot of different things. this airports, transit systems and highways. they all governed in finance and delivered in so many different ways.

it takes over the federal role and a lot of the stuff. look at the playgrounds. things like public transit which have heavier public-sector roles. telecommunications is in this -- a mixed bag. it all depends on who is the owner and operator. host: we want to talk about the highway system. how's it funded and how do you make of that gap in funding? guest: it is one of the areas where the federal government has the largest role in play. it is through the federal gasoline tax which has not been rest -- raise since 1990. highway transit is only about a third coming from the federal government. the states in the metropolitan areas are still response will for the lion share of it. host: how are they getting the money? guest: