jobs. whether it is a cleaner sraourplt there needs to be a coalition of environmental and business people to create jobs and create lower car been economycreating a better economy, but also using the fossil fuels we have today, more than we buy from canada. you're not going to display fossil fuels for the next 50 years, but you can start with a lower carbon economy that will create jobs to protect the future. >> what about international agreement? senator graham: the problem is, the problem with china, india and china -- the two largest carbon emitters. people want to copy it because it is good for the consumer and good for the government. i do not know that an agreement with china and india will help. >> how are you?

i'm from south carolina. senator graham: ok. >> thank you. senator graham: what were you doing in south carolina? >> i was in charleston. senator graham: my favorite city in south carolina. i even say that in south carolina. this place here -- i was in a movie -- >> i know! thank you. >> thank you very much. senator graham: i enjoyed being with you. >> absolutely. the weather is perfect. senator graham: probably not a good time to talk about global warming this week. [laughter] >> go tigers. senator graham: go tigers. when did you graduate? >> 2012.

i did not realize how long of a walk it was. senator graham: it is a pretty good walk. >> that is where they dropped me off. senator graham: so you are in the air force now? >> army. senator graham: active duty? >> reserves. senator graham: thank you for your service. we are going to gut our intel capabilities, budget cuts, we have got to turn it around. >> i know, it is killing me. >> can i ask you to sign two? senator graham: isil hates us both equally. they hate me and schumer the same. >> thank you for your speech. this is the coolest, the coolest idea. >> i am from virginia, and i

think i can understand you a little better. senator graham: you can translate -- >> yeah. senator graham: when he said "nation of god" -- [laughter] >> he could not be here. senator graham: outstanding. he will have to come by and visit. >> we love having you at the event at the museum. >> thank you, mr. graham. senator graham: there you go. thank you for patiently waiting. [laughter] nobody is left behind. >> thank you very much, senator. >> thank you very much. >> great talk yesterday, great talk today. senator graham: well, you have been to both? i do not want to violate the geneva convention. >> no, no, we will not do that.

senator graham: that was a lot of fun yesterday. >> yes, it was. you are the topic on a local radio station, they were talking about you on "meet the press" about e-mail, and they wanted to know about your opinion about e-mail. senator graham: i get all kinds of input and text messages, and i decide who to call. >> good for you. senator graham: not e-mailing has sent me from -- has saved me from sending a lot of dumb things. >> thank you. senator graham: thank you very much. oh great. thank y'all. questions? >> what you make of the timing of the menendez charges?

senator graham: you know, they leaked the fact that he may have been charged. i hate it when that happens to anybody. i like bob, like everybody else he is innocent until proven guilty. he has been a champion on the iranian nuclear issue, and it just does not feel right. >> it might be political pressure. senator graham: i do not know, but leaking has a potential indictment -- leaking it at all he does not deserve that. no american should read in a paper you have been indicted or maybe indicted. i am disgusted with the whole process. >> some of your positions particularly on immigration also square with a lot of primary voters, but -- with the primary? senator graham: oh, totally.

when you ask new hampshire primary voters if they a) support them all b) -- a) deport them all, b) have them pay taxes, give them only things mason ago, about 65% of republicans in new hampshire think that is right and here is what i would say -- i understand border security, we have got to get that right. i understand e-there is five, i understand legal immigration. what i'm trying to tell my friends in the republican party is the 11 million people have to understand to get a bill passed absent the others, they are going to have to be dealt with at some point other than hefty deportation, and i do not like the idea that you can live here all of your life, the rest of your life, but never have a

chance to become an american. they should do it in a fashion that is long and hard and have that chance. i do not like the european model. all i can say is we need to fix immigration, national security issue, and it is a cultural issue, and it is an economic issue. i am proud of the work i have done. marco was on that bill, jeb bush i think is talking in the right way. i am not going to give an inch on the idea that trying to solve illegal immigration is a bad thing for a republican to do. >> senator, do trips like this make you feel more likely to run, less likely to run, or do they really make a difference? senator graham: today made a huge difference. it makes me more likely to run between the two events because i feel like i connect pretty well with people up here. i think they liked generally what i have to say, and the process of running has been a ton of fun. i have been getting roasted a lot yesterday, it was a great event. this was fun.

i get to talk to people about serious topics and laugh. staying at this inn -- running for president in new hampshire to me will be fun and i like the idea you have to show up, stand in front of the fire. >> where do you stand on another round of -- senator graham: if you are going to do sequestration, you have to change a lot of our -- you have to close a lot of basis. you cannot have sequestration and keep your base open. you cannot have it both ways stop until the budget is fully implemented, you are going to gut the military, the smallest budget since 1940, so you will have to close bases all over the world. to me that is the dumbest thing we can do right now given the threat, so to implement sequestration, you would have to have the -- from hell. >> thank you, senator.

[indiscernible] senator graham: senator graham: we created the sanctions. this is not about the commander in chief. ukraine. -- sanctions you created. that is not the way you run a war. >> thank >> c-span's go to the white house is in new hampshire with potential 2016 presidential candidate.

first is governor scott walker making his first visit to the state since 2012. he is speaking at the grassroots activist workshop. we will join that event live on concord high school or at 11 or 5 am eastern here on c-span. sunday, remarks from texas senator -- concord high school at 11:45 a.m. eastern here on c-span. sunday, remarks from texas senator ted cruz. that is at 9:35 p.m. eastern. former texas governor rick perry spoke at the saint ofanselm college in manchester. he spoke about the u.s. economy at the event cohosted by the new hampshire institute of politics. this is 45 minutes. >> welcome back. it is so great to see you. governor perry: it is great to

be here and to even remember it. >> when you came through the last time, my brother spoke to you -- governor perry: all, the last time. it is happening. what is he doing now? >> congratulations. he is doing his masters, and he is a graduate doing engineering. governor perry: in what engineering? >> kind of the biotech fields. governor perry: each of the coasts have some extraordinary incubators, but there is some fascinating stuff going on in texas. we became this last year in january 2014 texas became the number one high-tech exporting state. >> i know. governor perry: people have always thought oh, well, texas is just an oil and gas state everything is oil and gas-

centric, and we have the oil and gas industry, and it plays an important role but it is pretty -- i am not going to say stagnant, that is not the right word, but it makes up somewhere around 40% of our gross domestic state product. the rest of the state is incredibly diversified and biotech, high-tech, the texas medical center has more doctors and nurses than individuals coming in there every day than any other place in the world. >> you know the director of the institute -- [laughter] just a you know. >> i just want to say congratulations on coming through, and we look forward to seeing you more. governor perry: tell your son to keep us in mind as he grows and looks where to go. >> hi, caitlin. governor perry: are you here as well? get our picture here, margaret. what do you do, caitlin? >> i do communications.

governor perry: oh, ok, you have got an important role to play. howdy. >> host: [indiscernible] governor perry: yeah, well, better you than me. i kind of have some allergies going on, too. >> this is what happens when you fly a lot. governor perry: you have got an excuse. thank you for doing that. where have you been, what have you been doing? >> i run this, the new england council, i represent -- of new england, washington. i come down there three days a week. governor perry: do you keep a home here and an apartment there? >> yeah, we have an office. governor perry: yeah, yeah. >> next to kelly ayotte, jack reed, ed markey, bringing people together.

governor perry: i may talk about that a little today, but, you know, i find that dysfunction one of our real challenges in our country, and governors do not have that -- you know, they do not have that luxury. >> i know that. governor perry: we have to get things done, and we never get to do things big. you know jennifer. >> yes. >> the governor massachusetts, halley baker -- governor perry: yes, good guy. >> watched him with a multimillion dollar deficit, sits with the speaker, sits with the president, he says this is my idea, 4-1. governor perry: not one big

issue did we pass in texas without democrat help, and -- >> it is what people want. governor perry: well, it is what this country have got to have. we have got to get past this talking past each other. i amit is one of the things that i am really critical on the president on his he has divided this country, he has divided us by gender, race, economic strata , and we have got to get over that. i mean, you know, i grew up on a very rural cotton farm. we were not poor -- >> i know that. governor perry: i grew up in a house a did not have running water until i was seven or eight years old. i does not meet a republican until i was 26 years old or anybody who would admit to be 1 -- >> it was different in texas. >> [indiscernible] governor perry: i was elected

three times. >> i did not know that. governor perry: reagan was elected a republican in texas. >> i did not do that. mr. perry: mr. president, it is an honor to be here in this university, and to all of you, good morning. i found that on my numerous visits back to new hampshire over the course of the years that you all appreciate plain talk about as well as any place in this country. and you want to hear some very plain talk about the challenges that we have in this country. and that is the spirit in which i come today, to share with you this vision of mine, and on three points i want to be very very clear.

first, our country has entered -- and i think a time of testing, a time -- our political leadership is feeling that test. the american people see a president who is in denial about the threats we face, making grave miscalculations that make the world less safe. isis filled the void of failed policy in iraq and syria. in american tanks, with american weapons, isis began taking cities that just a few years ago had been freed by the blood of american soldiers.

in these highly orchestrated videos, we are seeing broadcast to the world, beheadings. we are seeing a young jordanian pilot burned alive. these people have filled mass graves with muslims and christians alike. they have terrorized women. they have declared a caliphate over an area as large as the united kingdom in that part of the world. and let's be clear about who isis is, what they represent. they are a religious movement that seeks to take the world back to the seventh century. their aims are apocalyptic, to cleanse the world, not just of christians and jews, but of muslims who do not agree with their extreme ideology.

and it is their stated vow to kill as many americans as they can. and it is time the american people heard the truth. the president declared in his state of the union address that the advance of isis had been stopped. that is simply not true. he says isis is not a religious movement. again, he is simply wrong. to deny the fundamental religious nature of the threat and downplay the seriousness of it is naïve, it is dangerous, and it is misguided. if the leaders of egypt and jordan -- if they recognize we are at war with radical islam, isn't it time that our president admitted the same?

the fact is we did not start this war. we did not choose it. but we need to have the will to finish it. now, let me state another obvious fact about the middle east. it is not in the interest of peace and security in the free world that iran would be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon. here is another country where our president is naïvely miscalculating the intentions of a brutal regime. i believe it is fundamentally dangerous to grant iran's nuclear ambitions diplomatic cover. our discussions with iran should be governed by two nonnegotiable principles. number one, iran should not be

allowed to become in possession of a nuclear weapon, period. and, secondly, israel should be allowed to develop -- or excuse me -- they should have the right to exist as a jewish state. now, put all of that into the context. see, watching all of this unfold in front of us is the president of russia. he has been watching as our president drew a redline in syria that was crossed without consequence. and when he canceled plans to deploy the missile system in poland and the czech republic, vladimir putin was watching. and it was against this backdrop of weakness and empty words that putin then annexed crimea, he invaded ukraine, and it was in

those conditions that allowed him to negotiate a one-sided cease-fire at minsk with no real consequences. it was, from my perspective, a sorry sight to see russian -- western leaders rush to minsk to sign a second cease-fire that russia would invalidate just as quickly as they did the first. here is the civil truth about this. our allies doubt us and our enemies, our adversaries are all too willing to test us. and too often today we negotiate treaties and cease-fire agreements from a position of weakness rather than of strength. my point is this -- as a former captain in the united states air force, as a pilot who has flown into many of

those regions in the middle east, including saudi arabia, i am not eager to pursue a military solution, the military action in that part of the world. for 15 years, we have tried a steady diet of military solutions to resolve ancient religious differences in the middle east. and i have seen the impact. i have seen the impact of these policies on our warriors, on their families. for a good seven years of my period of time as governor, from 2003 until 2010, there was hardly a week that went by that i did not write a letter, that

i did not visit a family, that i did not go to a hospital expressing my appreciation, my regrets for the loss of a life the sacrifices our heroes had made and their loved ones had to deal with. wars must always be the last resort after all other options are exhausted. but we need to understand the essential lesson of history here. it is the strength and resolve in the face of threats that we face that guarantees peace for our children and for future generations. it is weakness and vacillation and wishful thinking regarding these dictators and

totalitarians and adversaries that endanger the peace of the world and that drive global chaos. you see, for the world to be safer, i believe with all my heart america must be strong. and along that same thought process, if you will, along that same line, for america to be stronger, our border must be secure. drug cartels and transnational gangs are smuggling drugs and weapons and people across a porous holder today. border today. they are a clear and present danger to the health and safety of america.

any conversation that we have about comprehensive immigration reform must begin with comprehensive border security. and that is exactly why last summer, when i met with president obama, and we discussed this issue of border security, i told him if he would not secure the border with mexico, texas would, and we did. now, here is the second point that i want to be clear about today. the american people know that the united states economy can be vibrant again. ronald reagan knew that weakness at home led to weakness abroad. we have to revitalize the american economy if we are going to reassert america's strength abroad.

now, we are told we are in a recovery. yet labor force participation is at its lowest level since 1978. one in 10 american workers are unemployed, underemployed, or have just given up hope of trying to find a job at all. one of five children live in families that are on food stamps. we need to look them in the face and ask them -- is that the best that america can do? the president may be satisfied with 2% economic growth. i am not. for the first time in american history, a generation of leaders are on the verge of breaking the social compact, if you will, with the next generation. that is, that we leave a better country for them than what we found for ourselves. fewer of us believe in the american dream now than in the last 20 years for middle-class americans. opportunity and security have been replaced by worry and anxiety.

out-of-pocket health costs housing, college tuition, all of them have gone up faster than wages have. student debt is at an all-time high, and this has to change. it is time to restore hope and opportunity to middle-class america. we can start with our tax code. we have got the highest corporate tax rate the western world. that does not just hurt companies -- it also hurts the american workers. economists will tell you that if you cut the corporate tax rate by 10%, it will lift wages for the middle class worker by between 5% and 10%. that is what we need to be

focused on -- helping raise those workers' wages. we need more than just corporate tax reform to help the workers. we also need to simplify the tax code so that you reduce that tax burden on all individuals. we also need to tackle the inequities that are caused by this dodd frank regulation. dodd frank did not eliminate too big to fail. in fact, it codified it. it limits funds on wall street while restricting access to funds for main street. the cost of legal compliance is now overwhelming our community banks. those of you that come from

small communities know those banks may be the only institution in our rural areas to fund economic development there. they happen to provide half of all the small business loans in this country. this contributes that perception -- and i would argue the reality -- that the big institutions of big government can take care of their own while main street gets the crumbs. we need to stop the excessive regulation that comes out of washington that kills jobs. they harm small businesses, they cost every american family -- these regulations -- almost $15,000 every year. we need to repeal every perverse situation that keeps people from looking to work. one of the many flaws of

obamacare is that it causes employers to move people from full-time work to part-time work just to avoid this massive new insurance cost, and that needs to be repealed. the next president should look at all of the regulations that harm full-time jobs, harm full-time work and end them. that needs to be a straight up work of the next president of the united states. our nation -- we have an $18 trillion debt. every department, every agency needs to be required to look at every dime they spent and justify that. liberals in washington have spent 30 years criticizing re reaganomics while i the same time delivering trickle-down liberalism.

their view is clear -- you give more power and money to the government, let the liberal elites take care of their pet causes, and live in a shrinking pie for middle-class americans. their answer to jobs is spend close to $1 trillion in stimulus , wash the world in a huge bureaucracy, and hope a few jobs get created. no wonder that washington is now the richest metropolitan area in america. not because they create wealth but because they redistribute it. but redistribution is not a strategy for wealth creation. only economic growth is and that only happens, i will suggest to you, in the private sector. but me tell you where the economic revival is occurring or one of the places it is

occurring in an extraordinary way and that is in my home state. instead of expanding the welfare state, we have built the freedom state. our formula was simple -- you control taxes and spending you provide smart regulations you develop an educated workforce, and you stop lawsuit abuse at the courthouse. that is it. those forfour simple principles -- they will work anywhere. in my 14 years as governor, we helped create nearly 1/3 of all the new private sector jobs created in united states. in the last seven years, from 2007 to 2014, that number would we created 1.4 million jobs in bestthat state. minus those jobs from a total

number of jobs in america, that number would be 250,000 jobs in the red. under my leadership, we had 14 years of balanced budgets, never skipped a debt payment, never raised taxes, and in fact i signed the largest tax cut in texas history. we have led the nation in international exports for more than a decade. just last january of 2014, texas became a number one high-tech exporting state in the nation, bypassing california. in 2013, we had the second-highest high school graduation rates in america. we had a 118% increase in hispanic participation in our higher education, mr. president. i might add that on that

second-highest high school graduation rate, that is in a state with a very large population of english as a second language, a really challenging group of people to teach, but they are getting the job done. i happen to think it is time to bring that type of economic revival to every state with in the nation with policies that limit government instead of expanding it. now, here is the third point. i have never been more certain than i am today that the best years are ahead of us in this country. i am optimistic about the future because i know that the weakness and incompetence of our government should not the be confused with the strength

and the ingenuity of the american people. our experiment in this republican form of government is too durable to be sidetracked like a confused administration. we survived worse. we survived a civil war, two world wars, great depression we even survived jimmy carter. [laughter] and we will survive the obama years as well. there is nothing wrong -- there is nothing wrong with america that cannot be fixed with a change of leadership. i see an american where middle-class workers can find a job wages are on the way up, , freedom is on the march, where opportunity is the birthright of all and not just dispensed by a few out of washington, d.c. to a select few of their cronies. america that believes the world, that stands with our allies, again, where citizens can dream

again, and an america where the of our founding fathers ideals and our children's dreams. thank you and god bless you. [applause] >> the governor has agreed to answer couple of questions. just introduce yourself. governor perry: what he said was i have agreed to do a couple of questions. just introduce yourselves. [laughter] >> i paid for this mic governor. [laughter] questions for the governor. maybe i can ask the first question. the young lady. governor perry: you dig that hole. >> ok. >> thank you for allowing me to

ask my question. i am from new hampshire. i teach at a community college here. what will you do to change how campaigns are financed, and please address how money corrupts and controls our political system, what you can do to change that. governor perry: i come from a state that has no limits on campaign contributions, and we are all about disclosure. i am a big fan of disclosure. i happen to think that you disclose where you get the dollars, you do it almost immediately, and in the world we live in today with technology available, you can require that where those dollars come from, who those individuals are, and i think the american people are smart enough to know whether or not they think that is too much or whether that would corrupt the process. i happen to think the limiting of dollars is not the issue, i think the transparency of the

where the dollars come from is the real issue. we need to be substantially involved with making it the a be a more transparent process. >> thank you so much for being with us, governor. appreciate it. great presentation. i thank you for your time. i am bob, a volunteer with aarp new hampshire. i had to get that plug in. governor perry: yes sir. bob: my question is domestic and it is about medicare. we recently took a survey at aarp and it was of those residents of new hampshire 50 years of age and older. a big point been made was they are concerned about health care and the insurance that hopes to

save them from heavy bills, but they are particular -- the medicare. will it either for them as it is poor as? for the next generations? i see the envelope. i bet i know where it is going. governor perry: that is my medicare registration. i spent an inordinate amount of time on the telephone and got a really nice and capable lady helping me as i worked my way through this. obviously, the challenge that we have as a country is that these entitlement programs in the out years are not sustainable. that we all need to be honest about that and not honest about it for me or for you, but honest about the next generation that is paying into these programs and for them to have that safety net as they mature and become senior citizens. and we need to be honest about how we are going to deal with

that and come up with solutions, whether it is adding years to when you get that, and i think most thoughtful people would say that is one of the alternatives that is out there. to really think about this $18 trillion debt that we have does not take into account these numbers. for us, for the next president of the united states and for the next congress not to legitimately touch that add find and find the solution for that is unacceptable. we need to get commitments from all the candidates -- or, all of the individuals who are wanting to be candidates and our members of congress to work together to find solutions to these programs. bob: thank you.

governor perry: yes sir. >> don't raise your hands all at once. governor perry: and that was not a setup, was it. i just happen to have that. bob: that is what i gave you. [laughter] governor perry: what he gave me was an aarp membership registration. [laughter] president brett: you talk about the next president doing something on entitlement reform regulation. how realistic would it be that if you were elected president that you could work with a divided congress? governor perry: i think americans are so sick of the gridlock in washington, d.c. people walking past each other not getting anything done. walking on the floor of the house and walking away and taking your toys and leaving and that is not acceptable.

one of the reasons i do think that our nominee -- i am obviously biased about this, but i think the executive experience of having to get things done -- governors don't have the luxury of just having a conversation , giving a speech, and walking away. there was not one big thing that occurred in texas, not education reform, not fortort reform not those major budget issues we , have to deal with that was done with just republicans. there were democrat chairs there were democrat leaders that we had to work with. i think the next president of the united states -- and i am critical of the president and the divisiveness we have seen, pitting individual against individual pitting gender

against gender, pitting economic groups against economic groups, and we need to be working to bring this country together, to reach across the aisle, find those places -- we passed some of the most sweeping prison reform, judicial reform in america in texas. it was a democrat's idea. we created drug courts in 2001. texas is not known as being soft on crime. [laughter] but what we were doing was putting kids in jail for long periods of time because of nonviolent drug-related -- they broke the law, they did something bad, but do not ruin their lives forever, do not throw them in prison where they learn to become first-rate criminals. give them some options.

give judges some option. s. that is what we did. in the early part of the 21st century, we put those into place. giving those judges the flexibility to give treatment rather than send them to the prison. do you know what the result was? the result is we shut down three prisons in texas. we saved $2 billion. that is real conservatism in my book. to find no serious places -- maybe it is medicare reform, maybe it is our other entitlement reforms where we sit down and find like-minded democrats that know we have to deal with this. we used to do that. we saw tip o'neill working with ronald reagan. i am looking for the next ronald reagan and tip o'neill to come forward and challenge us with the country. and they are out there. you just have to have the will. we can do it. i am abundantly optimistic.

i shared with you that the best days of this country are in front of us. economically, foreign policy wise, and it will require men and women who put aside some of their differences and find the things that they can work together on, and deliver that for t american people. hebob: i am bob from qualified health centers of massachusetts. i appreciate what you are saying relative to bipartisanship and working. over the weekend, a letter was sent by republican colleagues that was highly criticized by

senator kerry -- or by secretary kerry when he testified yesterday. my question is hypothetically, relative to the spirit of doing business in d.c. these days, if you were a u.s. senator, would you have signed on to that letter or not, what would a better approach have been to try to get the republican senators message across to the president? governor perry: i am not a senator, but i signed the letter because i happen to believe that there are some things that are too important not to find compromise on. allowing iran to get its hands on a nuclear weapon is nonnegotiable in my opinion. i think the president is making an error. i think that is a really bad example of finding a place we can work together because there are places out there and things so important that we cannot compromise our principles. allowing this country that still

-- if not the greatest supporter of terrorism in the world, when you see iran funding has block to the north of israel and hamas to the south, both sunnis and sh shiites they are kind of equal opportunity funders. to wipe israel off the face of the earth. i cannot accept that as a place where i will compromise. you work with fqhc's. i know we are shifting gears here, but the point is that is , where we can find places to work together. we have expanded those out care delivery systems and other private sectors, ways to deliver health care.

giving that type of compromise that type of negotiation, i sit at the table and work with people from now on because those are places where democrats and republicans, where liberals and conservatives can indeed agree. i think it makes sense. to quit building prisons. i think that is where liberals and conservatives can agree that those are some good things to work together on. we can find those and ways to prioritize our spending. but to use what is going on in iran -- i happen to think those senators and senator cotton in particular, he basically could have clipped out of the united states constitution and sent it to iran.

he said there is a number of ways we negotiate, we do treaties which require the united states senate to sign that we do an agreement. that is what this is with the president. this is an agreement between the president of the united states and the ayatollah, that is what the letter says. nothing more, nothing less. here is how the united states works. i support that, but more importantly i support the clear that the united states as a body and certainly the next president will not be held accountable to this president to sign an agreement that i've not think is in the united states best interest. >> [inaudible] i know your philosophy is on education, k-12 and higher

education, how you will see it intervening to the future of our nation? governor perry: k-12 needs to be left to the states. i do not think there is much of a role at all for the federal government. i think your governor, your legislature working with your school administrators, teachers, and your parents, substantially better place for a curriculum to be developed than a one-size-fits-all out of washington, d.c. the department of education needs to be a repository of good practices. that might be a good final state for it. i do not think that washington needs to be this one-size-fits-all -- this place where health care, education

reform, transportation and infrastructure needs to come from. louis brandeis, not a well-known conservative, former member of the supreme court said that the states were laboratories of democracy. that states need to experiment and try different ideas. from time to time, they will foul up. from my perspective, colorado is making an error in legalizing marijuana. but it is exactly what louis brandeis said. i don't agree with it, but i respect their right to find out they are making a mistake. [laughter] the same is true about education policy. i just think that people closer to the schools, closer to your state, closer to understanding what the people of new hampshire are all about, you come up with the best curriculum. you will find the ways to educate your children

substantially better than this one-size-fits-all that too often comes out of washington, d.c. >> we hope you all will come back. governor perry: i will be back. [applause] i will be back. take care of yourself. have some water there. thank you. i will be back. >> we look forward to seeing you again for sure. governor perry: i will be back. >> it was a good message. your personality will play extremely well in this state. it really will. governor perry: thank you. yes, sir. i want to come back and spend some time with the kids. i find that from my perspective, it is one of the -- oh, let me find -- ok. is that lindsey? i will get by lindsey.

lindsey is my buddy. i am a big lindsey graham fan. i think he is one of the most knowledgeable people that we have on foreign policy, and we need to listen to him. he is a very bright united states senator -- he has carved out his niche and it is foreign policy. >> we did a poll with bloomberg on foreign-policy issues and in washington, and kaine came up to me and said lindsey graham is on every single one of these issues. governor perry: i agree. i talked to him tonight before last. just picking his brain about what is going on in ukraine particular. putin is a dangerous guy. and the strategy of kind of strategic patience with him i

do not think is wise because the theory is with oil prices being in the tank and he has all of these economic problems and we will just outlast him and he will collapse -- you have to remember the 1990's and how god bad it got in russia. it is not anywhere near as bad as that now. >> oh, no? governor perry: because he has $386 billion of reserves. all of this oil and gas money, he put aside. people think about what was going on in the 1990's, and it is actually a lot better now. trying to wait him out is not a good strategy. i think you have to fund the lethal weapons to the ukrainian military. you take the swift banking ability away from him. there is a magnet ski law where you can really go after the

oligarchs and the people who run russia and really squeeze them. we could flood europe with liquefied natural gas and that would really bring him to his knees. so, anyway -- >> could you sign that please? >> when i was in wisconsin, i worked with a congressman on my board and we were looking at income contingent student loan payment programs. it is very simple. instead of paying back student loans on a fixed rate over a fixed time, they say, if you are an investment banker and a teacher, you pay back in a different timeframe with a fix on the amount of interest you will pay. governor perry: i wonder if we can get the federal government out of the student loan business. >> that is the ultimate objective. give it back to the private sector. governor perry: give it back to

the private sector. thank you, sir. ok. great. let me take off my c-span microphone here just a second and note who to give it to. >> thank you, sir. governor perry: yes, sir. alan, thank you. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] >> labor secretary thomas perez is one of the speakers today at the consumer federation of america conference looking at consumers' concerns about the internet and consumer-driven investigative journalism. we will have the conference for you live at 8:30 a.m. eastern on c-span two and at 12:15, defense secretary ashton carter

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