director brennan: it is tough sorting out the good guys and the bad guys, it is. human rights abuses, whether they take place on the part of isil or of militias or individuals who are working as part of security services needs to be exposed, needs to be stopped. in an area like iraq and syria there have been some horrific human rights abuses. this is something we need to be able to address. when we see it, we do bring it to the attention of authorities. we will not work with entities that are engaged in such activities. charlie: here. yes, sir. right there. back to the back next.

[low audio] [indiscernible] director brennan: the pdb is doing very well. charlie: this is the president's daily briefing. director brennan: i was the president's daily briefer in the clinton administration. had the honor to bring to the president every day, the intelligence jewels. the director of national intelligence is the president's primary advisor. so he will go to the oval office and present the president's daily brief as well as any additional information. c.i.a. basically provides most of the input into that pdb. we have responsibility for that pdb that continues to endure. it is a very, very impactful -- charlie: so, what is the difference in briefing bill clinton and barack obama? who asks the better questions?

[laughter] director brennan: oh, boy. they're two of the most impressive individuals i've had the opportunity to engage with. charlie: having said that. director brennan: they have tremendous ability to absorb information. i was briefing president clinton on something. i would brief them on something new and he would be able to bring it back up and i would have forgotten it. the same thing with president obama. they both have voracious appetite for information. charlie: president obama, have you seen an evolution of how he views national security? has there been an evolution and how he assesses threats to the united states, the tools he wants to use, his willingness to use force? director brennan: i certainly think there has been a natural evolution. any president who comes into office does not have any

appreciation of what they are going to encounter. over six years, the president has faced more of the strategic and significant national security challenges than a lot of his predecessors. so i think he has gone to school , he understands the complexity. he also understands the interdependence of a number of issues as well as the importance and the imperative of working with a lot of our partners. united states does not have the unilateral ability to shape the course of world events. we have to work with our partners. i think the president, looking at whether it be terrorism or ukraine or north korea or cyber issues, i think he recognizes just how complex the world is. what he has told me and the cia and the intelligence community is that we need to continue to evolve ourselves so we are better prepared to deal with the challenges ahead of us and not just dealing with the challenges of the 20th century. charlie: one more. back there in the middle. yes?

[low audio] [indiscernible] [laughter] [indiscernible] do do you really not believe that there is in the modern community -- muslim community a worldwide caliphate group that has been operating under the muslim brotherhood for years? they have nothing to do with terrorism?

brennan: i think within the muslim community over the course of decades, centuries, millennia plus, there are elements that have a very extremist, radical and i think warped perspective about what the role of their religion is and how it has to dominate. i think the same is true in a lot of other religions and cultures and societies. and i think those radicals and extremists find expression at different times throughout history and sometimes in a bloody fashion. but i would be very reluctant to try to interpret that then as something that is inherent to religion or cultural society. sometimes individuals develop these warped views based on a variety of conditions. we look at the people that are joining isil now. they come from all different

backgrounds. some are educated. some who are just attracted to a war zone where they can carry out violence for whatever reason. so, i think we have to be thinking more about what are the dynamics that contribute to this. we have been facing this for millennia. in terms of how people will use violence to pursue their objectives. and unfortunately, i think religion has been one of the most common bandwagons that some of these individuals have jumped onto. but it is not specific to one religion or one society, one people. charlie: one lasy question i'm national last question i'm going -- charlie: one last question i'm going to ask. beyond weapons of mass destruction, some have argued that the cia did not see the arab spring coming.

it did not see ukraine. it did not see the rise of isil. if those were mistakes, why? director brennan: you said, if those were mistakes. charlie: a lot believe they were. do you believe the cia saw the rise of those three things? director brennan: i think certainly we had identified a number of developments and trends that were leading in that direction. whether it be the arab spring, for years, the cia was pointing out how some of the authoritarian regimes in the middle east and the arab world were vulnerable to this type of popular reaction. were we able to determine and forecast that there was going to be a tunisian fruit salesman that was going to set tunisia on fire? no. but those conditions were something that was identified. i think it gets to the point that there have been so many developments recently. some of them more populous.

the traditional ways of intelligence collection may not lend themselves to this. having somebody in a senior government physician who will be whispering in our ears might not be getting us the right perspective. we need to have a better sense of what is happening in the street. that is why looking to the social media and other things, we can maybe have a better sense of the condition of a country that would be more conducive to the forming of a storm. in ukraine, people say you did not predict that putin was going to do this or that. we identified the pros and cons. quite frankly, putin as well as others have not determined their next chess move. they week to see what their opponents move will be, and they plan accordingly. so, intelligence is not a panacea as far as having a crystal ball. what we need to be able to do is to help policymakers understand the forces at play and how certain development and actions

may affect that calculus. that's what i think is important in the cia where we have so many challenges across the board. we have not even talked about africa and south america. venezuela and nigeria. we have this global mission. it requires us to have all different types of access to information. having insights, having expertise, being able to work with individuals in the council and other parts of the private sector that we will be able to flesh out our appreciation of developments. charlie: thank you for coming. [applause] >> we will have more from the council on foreign relations when we hear from transportation

secretary anthony foxx. that is live tomorrow at 6 p.m. eastern on c-span3. monday none of the communicators, sec communicator -- sec commissioner on the broadband program and lifeli nr. e. >> what i am proposing is that we overhaul the lifeline program . the prices and the opportunities have been more explicit for the rest of us, it should be for consumers. if those provided out of the certification business, that is the number one problem.

it is a vulnerability in the system that we need to plug. >> monday night on c-span2. former florida governor jeb bush traveled to new hampshire for a house party in the house of republican party chair fergus callullen. this is one hour 20 minutes. [indiscernible chatter]

>> thank you ma'am. >> if i can ask the media to walk to the back of the room. you can see governor bush after the event. as best as possible, mr. cullen took the time to invite his neighbors. this is his house. [indiscernible] he went out of his way to invite his family and friends to come here. you are welcome too. at the end of the event, circle around. try to move back, please. folks, come up.

[indiscernible] please press to the back. [indiscernible chatter]

>> may i have your attention please. fergus: thank you for being here. we are grateful to open our home for an event like this. house parties are an important tradition of the primary here in new hampshire. candidates come and meet with voters one-on-one -- they answer questions and rise or fall on their own merits. it is a system that has served our country well over the last many decades. we are honored to host governor bush, his first visit to new hampshire since he announced he is thinking about maybe possibly running and the fact he wanted to do a house party as part of his visit sends a message about the kind of campaign he might

run in new hampshire if he becomes the candidate here. i have a couple of people i want to recognize and i ask you to hold your applause until later. the mayor of dover is here. a couple of our city counselors, kathy cheney and john o'connor are here. here is our mayor. >> hello. >> i want to point out, doris grady, in her eighth decade as an educator in the city of dover. her 22nd year on the school board here. she is a true marvel. [applause] i need to thank my wife jenny. [laughter] [applause] when we talked about hosting a house party, and she agreed, she may have had something smaller in mind. i want to recognize my mother and father in law, they helped us pull this off.

i am lucky in my in-laws. my mom and dad, who are over here. governor bush and i have something in common, we both have strong, tough mothers. if you haven't had a chance to meet my mom and dad i hope you'll make that opportunity tonight. four years ago in the last primary season we had a lot of candidates running for president but we didn't have enough will serious, credible candidates. if governor bush were to become a candidate he is the one person antidote for that problem. his family has distinguished itself in service to our nation. governor bush was a successful fiscally conservative two-term governor of a big and diverse state. education reform and innovation was a signature issue while he was governor.

i appreciate governor bush has been a leading voice on fixing and modernizing our broken immigration system. join me in welcoming governor jeb bush. [applause] governor bush: thank you. thank you. thank you for doing this. this is my inaugural voyage at a house party that looks like this at least. [laughter] i am really honored to be here. thank you for coming. you could be doing other things. it is friday night. i am humbled you would come to hear me talk and to ask me questions and let me have it. before i start i want to talk about myself. people do know me as george and barbara's boy. and george w's brother, and all of that, i am proud of.

when i was born in midland texas, my eyes open and there i was crying for oxygen, and barbara bush was there. i didn't know at the time but i won the lottery. [laughter] i am blessed in so many ways. if i'm going to go beyond the consideration of running i have to share my heart and tell my life story and give people the sense that i have ideas to help people rise up. my life experience has been driven by my wife of 41 years. i met her in mexico when i was 17 years old and in an exchange program. i fell madly in love with her. head over heels in love. you gave me direction and purpose. i wanted to marry her. i had to figure a way to make a living. it is hard to make the pitch without having wherewithal to do it. i got out of school in two years and started working, i worked

all of my adult life without missing more than a week off. that experience has been part of my life. i also founhave signed the front side of a paycheck. i think we need more people with practical experience in that endeavor, the heartbeat of our country, in washington dc. we see this massive amount of oppressive rules on top of older rules that create complexity that makes it harder and harder for people to have a chance to have rising income. i was governor of the state of florida, which i recommend highly, for any young people. [laughter] two pieces of advice for young people who are interested in politics, run for governor don't settle for something not nearly as interesting, and run against a bad candidate if you can. it is easier. [laughter] or don't run against a guy who never lost. better to have a chance to win.

i had a chance to serve. when i was a candidate in 1998 i had these deeply held views about education. this story is about how we start fixing problems in washington. my views didn't change much when i ran between 1994 and 1998. i wanted to take these deeply held views of turning the system upside down and shaking it so it could become more student centered. i went to visit 250 schools. it was a spectacular experience. the horns subsided and people saw me for who i was. i showed my heart. i stood my ground. i learned a lot. i learned to share the need to reform our schools in a human context. it gave me the chance to do it. in florida we have led the nation in many categories in terms of rising student achievement, particularly kids in poverty that are always left behind.

there is always another excuse. we can't afford that anymore. our country is 56% majority minority. 57% free and reduced lunch qualified. we had a growing number of people that are poor, which is fine because they have every chance to rise up if we get it right. changing these big things, i had a chance to do as governor, we created the first statewide voucher program, the increase in charter schools, we eliminated social promotion in third grade. we advanced literacy to make sure children, the gaps didn't start early. we hit it on all cylinders. whether it was school choice, or accountability, and florida did see big gains. we also build a better business climates. i cut taxes to the tune of $19 billion. we reduce the state government workforce by 13,000, we cut

interests in our state, the trial bar, or the folks making a lot of money off of the worker's comp. system. we had 1.3 million net new jobs during my eight years. i didn't do it. i was part of the 13,000 decrease in jobs. that was the government -- the government -- state will g government. the private sector did a lot better. we were the only state who went to aaa. we were frugal. government didn't grow faster than people's income. they called me veto corleone. maybe i called myself that. [laughter] we've vetoed something like 2500 separate line items in the

budget to create discipline and focus on how the budget works. the legislature ultimately responded. my point is, you can be a conservative, you can do it with joy in your hearts, you don't have to be angry about this. do it in a way that draws people towards our cause and you can win in a purple state. in this country if you are going to solve problems we have to win. we have to go out and reach out to people of every walk of life, not with a divisive message, one that is unified. everyone should have a chance to rise up. everybody should have the god-given skills to achieve our own success. if i get beyond the consideration of this, i believe this country is on a precipice of the greatest time to be alive. if we had a strategy of high sustained economic growth were income begins to rise nothing is going to stop this country. we should reflect on our greatness, not just our history, but our innovative spirit and ability to do things that defies the imagination of the rest of the world. we should be optimistic and begin to govern to solve these problems so everybody gets optimistic.

this is going to be a great time to be young. i would rather be your age than mine. [laughter] i appreciate you being here. i am happy to answer any questions. this is up close and personal. [laughter] yes? >> i appreciate your principled stance on common core. what is the biggest misconception of common core? governor bush: this is a federal takeover of education. i oppose that. the best way to disprove that is for the reauthorization of the no child left behind act in congress now. in that act, in the reauthorization, there is a provision that says the federal government should have nothing to do with standards. the federal government should have nothing to do with content, directly or indirectly. the federal government should have nothing to do with curriculum. common core standards -- [applause] common core standards are higher standards than the standards of

many states. as they have been embraced, some states don't want to have them, fine. they should just have higher standards. call them sunshine state standards. call them what you want. the fact is we have dumbed down everything over a long time. this is not a new thing. as we have dumbed it down and have the politically correct curriculum, we have 80% graduation rate in high school. that is pretty good. it has gotten better. a third of our kids are college or career ready. who is fooling whom? we are giving people a piece of paper that says you are a high school graduate. then they go to the community college and find out sorry, you have to retake high school reading and high school math. who is fooling whom? are we going to be a great nation that has higher aspirations for people, or are we going to say it is someone else's fault, kids in poverty can't learn.

too much bureaucracy. we should put away the excuses and recognize kids have the talent to do this. they have the talent. we have the teachers to do this. an element that is important is high standards. high standards matters a lot. i hate the poisonous environment that common core has brought because we ought to be focusing on higher standards, accurate assessments, robust accountability, school choice, ending social promotion, advancing the cause of rising student achievements, and that is my passion. i am all in on that. and i am not backing down because i have seen what happens when you do this, when you implement this. i have tire marks on my forehead doing this. [laughter] they can tell you the stories of what it was like. it wasn't easy. the unions, i tried to find common ground. we couldn't. i was their poster child in the

reelection. the campaign was about these bigger ideas. i won reelection but it is hard to get through these things. you have to stay the course and make it work. florida's gains are real. no one can deny them. we have these reforms that really work. thank you for asking that. >> you talk about iowa leading innovation and technology. which states are lacking? [inaudible] governor bush: i have been on a lot of business tours in my real life. agriculture in general doesn't get the recognition of how innovative and how technologically driven it is whether it is the biotechnology that allows for having crops grow in a drought resistant way,

or the yield increase, farmers have increased their productivity tenfold since the 1950's. it is an amazing story. technology normally means this area around here, so the new -- southern new hampshire massachusetts, all those places. technology is across the board in every sector of the economy. there are great companies in florida. i feel compelled as a former governor to toot my own horn. there is incredible stuff happening. i went to see the guys that run uber. he pulled up his computer and showed me the uber cars running and showed me the people

violating law at miami international airport. we have a clause that prohibits these type of activities. eventually those will go away. we are living in a world of opportunity and innovation. the question is -- are our children going to be overwhelmed by it? our system of government needs to be fixed so that we start building for what the future looks like so it is to our benefit, rather than our detriment. yes ma'am. are you a reporter? >> i am, sir. >> later. [laughter] >> citizen of new hampshire. >> we will speak with you guys

later. >> as president, how would you address ensuring our economic and climate security? governor bush: the question is how would i balance the answers to both? the role of the federal government needs to be narrowed to one specific field only the federal government can do, which is basic research. the federal government should not have a venture-capital arm inside the energy arm, picking winners and losers. we saw how bad it was. to advance the cause of disruptive innovation in technology and energy in the long haul, beyond that, we need

to encourage the marketplace. it works far better. the best example is the obvious one. a decade ago, 12 years ago natural gas prices were double-digit. the end was near. we had less than 10 years of supply. you may remember there was an import facility being built for billions of dollars to bring expensive liquefied natural gas to supply our natural gas need in this country. those are abandoned. the three or four that were built are gone. a guy name george mitchell and a private company, through trial and error, took two existing technologies -- hydraulic fracking and drilling, and created a revolution. we've gone from 10 years of supply to over 100 years of supply.

the price has gone from double digits down to $2, $3. significantly lower than the price for oil. that is america at its best, where people pursue their dreams, some of them succeed some of them don't, and it creates opportunities for all of us. the oil and gas sector has created enormous economic opportunity for this country. and it will continue to do so. it also has another benefit, which is not only has carbon reductions been reduced because of this, which it has -- many countries in europe are flat lining in terms of their reduction in carbon. we have seen a significant decrease because it has less c02 in emissions. it has also created an opportunity for us. we could be energy secure within five years if we are serious about it.

we would have the lowest cost of energy. the benefit of that is that we could really industrialize the country to create middle-class jobs. it would allow us to not have a heavy footprint around the world. then our foreign policy be based on our values and national security interests. it would also allow us to use natural gas and oil as a tool to deal with the instability in the world. i don't think we need industrial planners telling us what to do. i would rather have a thousand george mitchells creating the kind of innovation that allows us to continue forward. limit government's power, and to let the market place work is probably the best approach. yes ma'am? >> we lost some to isis.

to new hampshire it was terrible, to america, it was a wake-up call to the danger of islamic terrorism. my limited understanding is that right now, because of obama, our border is far more wide open than it has ever been. my question is, what would you do if elected president, but beyond that, 2 years is a long time to have that border open. what can we do? governor bush: congress needs to prioritize spending on the border. and prescribing through the budget a strategy to be effective on that. secondly, there needs to be more money and a strategy on the part

of it that should give you concern, which is that 40% of illegal immigrants come with a visa and then don't leave. there needs to be a much better mechanism of when the visa expires to either have it be renewed, or for the person to leave. that needs to be the first priority. there is no trust, especially in the obama administration to do anything else until we are serious about that. whether it is public health threats, not as serious as the national security threats, and the basic concept of the rule of law, this has to be a high priority for sure. then you can get to the broken immigration system, which makes it more economically driven. we have a system today where 80% of all legal immigrants come

through family petition. it is a noble thing, don't get me wrong. we have the broadest definition of what family is. like every country, we have adult siblings and adult parents. we put quotas by country. that result is, we don't have an immigration system that is strategic as it relates to the possibilities of economic growth. we have a noble immigration system that is legal, that is fine. but i think we should narrow it down to what other countries have. we should create the first 500,000 first round draft picks, if you will. the people that will create economic activity for all of us. we will not get there until we are confident that the rule of law is being applied consistently and that the borders are enforced. >> governor, i am a veteran and work at the va in manchester. last year, we heard about veterans not getting proper care. what is your mission to ensure

that veterans get better care? governor bush: do you have the same issue like in manchester? >> we have never had a secret waitlist or anything. i'm not saying it is a perfect facility, but we get positive remarks. governor bush: it has been a serious problem. you know you have bipartisan support when you have john mccain and bernie sanders agreeing on a bill. [laughter] one of the few laws and bills that actually turned into a law in the last 4-5 years. it was an effort to begin the process of reforming, i don't think it is the full comprehensive reform that is necessary. one of the things that they did, and you may not agree with this since you are working at the va hospital, but i think it is essential given the uniqueness and need to customize the health care service for

veterans. you have health challenges long-term disability issues, you have issues of iraq and afghanistan where they are different from vietnam. all of that leads me to believe that we should empower veterans to make these decisions. where they have the chance to pick the place and the health care provider that they want. in this law that passed last year, it allows for -- i have to call it a voucher, i don't know what else to call it. i am all into the voucher thing. say that you don't want to go to manchester, but you believe your health care provider can provide what you need, why would you

have to travel to manchester to get medical care? you are giving someone the choice to go themselves. they can go to the veterans hospital, no one is suggesting we shut down the va system. the number of people taking advantage of this is very low. i think there should be much more outreach to give people a chance to go to private hospitals if necessary if they want to see their own doctor. this has to be a long-term commitment, for sure. there is no argument in terms of budget. there have been a dramatic increases in the budget. it has probably flatlined now given the sequester. but i totally agree that this needs to be a high priority. >> for the record, whoever can get the most efficient and timely treatment, regardless of where they can go. >> any ideas about how to reduce costs in obamacare?

governor bush: the obvious way to reduce utilization is to have people be healthy. the system we have pre-obamacare and in obamacare is not a health care system, it is a sick care system, in effect. ultimately, i think we need to move to a plan that has hsas high deductible premium coverage, where coverage is on catastrophic coverage. the rewards either way is about preventing illness. sometimes you have services that are preventative, and

sometimes you don't. if you added the economic incentive to this, which is keeping the money that rolls over tax-free, so that you are building up a nest egg to deal with harder, more costly health care needs, you are going to bend the cost curve of the system. i think we need to have tort reform. in florida, we fought hard for this. it was not easy. i don't know how it is here. it is obviously a driver, the uncertainty of lawsuits create a lot of defensive medicine that we don't need. there is a whole range of things. but the insurance part needs to be focused on moving back to a high deductible, lower premium hsa attached plan.

the other thing is, i have this, this is prehistoric -- this is a pebble. [laughter] i can do my strides, my pulse, i can know how long i am sleeping, i know that after i wake up. but these devices -- apple just announced their device this week -- these devices and many others, much more sophisticated than this thing, will allow us to monitor our own health care. we will be able to wirelessly send messages to your health care provider because you didn't ingest a pill at the right time. 40% of all prescription drugs are taken in the wrong way. we need to recognize that the best system is where everyone is engaged in their own health care decisions. that is the american way. as we move away from that, our

health care costs have gone up and health care outcomes have been worse. technology gives us a chance to move back where we are engaged in all this. mayor? >> i am a small business owner with my two brothers. i polled my employees to see what they wanted me to ask you. >> one question with two parts. >> the first one will be on the affordable care act. we want to know where you stand -- are you on a full repeal, or do you want to take it and fix what's broken? the second question, where do you stand on minimum wage? governor bush: i don't think we need to raise the minimum wage at the federal level. as it relates to the affordable care act, i would like to repeal and replace.

it may end up in the same place where some of your employees would want, where you have the pre-existing conditions of any plan. what is popular, it is a small number, but for young people to stay on their parents plans until their 26, i don't have an argument against that. i am not passionate one way or the other. there are things you can have in a new plan. the idea that the federal government, through these massive subsidies, is going to be -- and exchanges where there are all sorts of employer mandated services that increase the cost of insurance, if it is going to work over the long haul, i find it flawed to the core. what i describe is a better plan is the replacement plan.

>> thank you. >> governor, i find the most chilling parts of the united states' future is our indebtedness. do you have a plan to control that indebtedness? governor bush: the debt is not a problem in the here and now of washington dc. don't take that out of context. [laughter] that is a comma. because we have lowered interest rates to zero and we have we have shortened the maturity of the doubling of the debt in six years. under the president, we have doubled the debt and shrunk the maturity so that something like 60% of all that comes due in 3 years. as you shrink the maturities there is no interest. the debt service today is lower than it was 12 years ago.

will it is kind of like passing the bottle of bourbon and giving the keys to the maserati to a 14-year-old. [laughter] it is no real efforts to change this. what happens if interest rates go up after historic levels? you have to renew the debt if you can, interest rates will grow exponentially. it will crowd out all of the other things -- national security, veterans affairs infrastructure. everything else will be squeezed out. first of all, we should restructure our debt to make it long-term rather than short-term. secondly, we ought to create a high-growth strategy above all else. the idea that we will grow at 2% per year over the next decade will make it harder and harder for us to truly service the debt. if we grew at 4%, which is historically where america has

grown, and there are discrete, important things to make that work. more importantly, our regulatory system needs to be brought into the 21st century. our tax code is creating incentive for investment overseas. embracing the energy revolution. all of those things will help us grow at 4%. if you compound out the 2% difference, i did this once when i was stuck on the tarmac, i wasn't a big math guy, but take 1.02 times 18, in the 10th year, we would create an additional germany of additional activity. and an additional germany creates $1 trillion of revenue at the state, local, and federal

level based on the current level of taxation. that is a far better idea than any exotic form of taxation barack obama would like to impose on us. high growth is the first step to dealing this fiscal, structural problem. and it is structural. well secondly, we have to go to sound budgeting practices. the federal reserve, because of the legislative environment, it provides the treasury something like $70 billion of profits. that is not revenue that will stick around. because of the size of their portfolio, there will be losses, and when those losses take place, it becomes part of the deficit. whether it is freddie and fannie, the loan processes, all of these things related to the federal reserve and accounting problems we have, it all benefits the government. let us be real about it. you will begin to see pressure

for people to spend less, which is ultimately what we need to do. spending less will be a huge problem if we don't fix our entitlement problems. you can talk about how efficient government is -- it's not -- but the entitlement challenge will overwhelm everything else. the deficits we have today will hailed by comparison to when we get to the baby boomers all being retired receiving social security and receiving medicare. the expansion of our medicaid population is explosive for our debt. we have to deal with that issue while creating a high-growth strategy. thank you.

reporter: governor, our foreign policy -- well, i don't think we have a foreign policy. governor bush: we do. our foreign policy is one of retrenchment, disengagement, one that thinks that america's presence and powers in the world is not a force for good. i love reading books about history particularly. if you take a pause at our own history, we have been a force for good consistently. the idea that we are not is quite dangerous. as we pulled back, voids are filled. the two things that matter in a consistent foreign policy is that our friends know that we have their back. and that our enemies fear us a little bit. they don't let the fear is a lot but , just enough to know that the consequences if they behave in a way that is dangerous for the

region of the world. that will result in consequences. our consistent friends don't believe america is reliable. this is a test i do all the time. you're going to go first. [laughter] name a country where the american relationship is better today than when barack obama came into office. reporter: hard to do. reporter: cuba. governor bush: congratulations. i don't know about north korea. cambodia perhaps. but not canada, absolutely not. not latin america. not israel. not egypt. not jordan, not turkey, not saudi arabia, not the entire middle east, not the african countries either. the simple fact is that disengagement creates so much uncertainty and doubt that people do not know where we stand. restoring america's presence in

the world would be a powerful first step to creating a more secure world. we have to reengage in a way to deal with the threats that are amongst us, isis being one of those. russia now moving with great authority and aggressively into eastern europe and perhaps the baltics. challenging whether article five of nato is a viable treaty. people began to have doubts about that. the emergence of china aggressively pursuing their agenda in asia. all of these things are serious threats. then, instead of negotiating with iran to legitimize the regime, we should have kept the sanctions on and have been engaged in this way because they would have come to the table.

$45 a barrel for oil over a year in iran would have changed the dynamic. instead of negotiating downward to a deal that will create permanency for the regime. we could have created a policy that would have weakened iran in their support of surrogates in the region and prohibited them from getting a nuclear bomb. yes, sir? reporter: i would like your opinion on whether the house and senate should have fully funded homeland security without dealing with the president's illegal executive order. in dealing with immigration. governor bush: i think you are correct. the president did not have authority in either case. he used this concept of prosecutorial discretion. which i read in tradition, by and large as saying that you take these case-by-case. there are a lot of unique cases in immigration. that was an authority given by

the congress for the president to do it. he used it for 3 million people. i don't think he has the authority, nor does the federal judge. my guess is that this will ultimately be ruled unconstitutional. what my hope is, to be honest with you on this, to be clear, i think congress needs to pass a budget. and with the conservative priorities on the table. get consensus among republicans first, if you need to do that, get the 50 votes to pass the budget. use the power of the budget, which has more power and in terms of impacting policy than any other bill, pass a budget for crying aloud. this is the fifth year we haven't had one. there are a lot of priorities that language languish and things that shouldn't be done that continue because of the resolution approach. in that budget, there are ways

you can show the opposition to the use of executive orders. i hope they fully fund the homeland security. to your points -- how else are we going to secure the border? this is the only way we can do it. there is a time for making a principled opposition to the president. and then there is a time to govern and lead. and republicans need to start showing that we can govern and lead. we can. i'm totally convinced that we can. democrats have control of the congress. they had it for a long while. and no budget passed, a stimulus passed, beyond that no budget. we reached a crisis, and the budget is through the sequester rather than a normal way of putting priorities on the table. i think we need to increase spending on defense and homeland security and reduce costs in other areas. maybe other members have a different view. let the process work again, that is what is missing. every state government

sometimes ugly, sometimes clean, every state government, i believe has a balanced budget , requirement. every state government, at the end of the day, as crazy as it is, at the end of the day, those states pass a budget and its balance. washington needs to do the same thing. >> governor, i think you will have plenty more opportunities to take questions. i certainly hope that will be the case. thank you for being here tonight. you did a great job. [applause] [indiscernible] [chatter]

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governor bush: in your case, i don't know where that came from. [laughter] [indiscernible] [chatter]

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governor bush: life doesn't work where everybody graduates everybody goes to college, you know. >> some of my students have retired from other careers. governor bush: the western governors university -- now it

has expanded to florida. it's an online university in atlanta. there are apparently 9000 people online. this is a university that is competency-based. [indiscernible] you get a lump sum payment. the whole incentive is to finish quicker, and do it in a way where you do it on your own time and at your own pace. because you have a real life. >> >>.

right. governor bush: one of them was a woman who got pregnant and couldn't finish high school. she had a child. you started working. got her degree. graduated from western governors university. she told the store that she was working in this company making relatively low wages in the hr department. it was like a lightbulb moment. now she works as one of the leaders. she could've stayed a single mom living near the poverty level. instead, she is now married as to other kids.

the more we do that in higher education, i think we will be far better off. >> thank you. governor bush: keep teaching. [indiscernible] [chatter] governor bush: i was in manchester. at looks like there's a lot of refugees. you look like someone i know in fort myers. you are not related to -- are you? we should take this picture. it is striking.

thank you. i will send that to her. >> how are you governor? governor bush: i am doing well. >> did you get it? >> thank you so much. governor bush: it takes a little time. if you give me five minutes with anybody, i can at least show them i am not all the reservation. i'm not surprised that people would not understand where i am coming from. >> you are breaking it down for people and giving them a different way to look at it. governor bush: oh, yes.

i think we need to take the federal government's role of the table. that would be very helpful. >> we liked it. >> we loved it. governor bush: look this is how you get your nourishment. i get a lot of energy from people learning from people. [indiscernible] governor bush: you have to ask for the vote one time and hope no one else does. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> we have a couple of factories. one in dover. governor bush: is it going well?

>> yeah. governor bush: do have a card? [indiscernible] governor bush: they have had such a great program history. >> yeah. >> backup.

>> pullback. governor bush: i am in the process of considering the things. you can repeal obamacare and take elements of it that are appropriate that have brought bipartisan support. for those that are concerned that if you kill obamacare and elements of support you can put

those things in a new law. that is something that makes sense if you're trying to create a robust exchange or market. the pre-existing condition needs to be looked at. >> do you know where you are in your decision-making process in running for president? governor bush: kind of wandering around learning a lot. how it would be for the next two or three years. >> how are you going to separate yourself from your mother and her father? governor bush: going to events like this. >> you said you do not support raising the federal minimum wage? governor bush: it would create a

loss of jobs and create another incentive -- it makes it harder for businesses to automate and harder for people to find jobs. we want more social economic mobility, not less. ? >> something democrats are arguing that you decided -- governor bush: i was way too busy to decide. the governor's office, the general counsel was part of that. it was a process that was based on the law itself. we complied with the law. all during this time, we have complied with the law, even in my post governorship. >> governor, you mentioned no child left behind, do you think house republicans should push forward with the reauthorization? it has been delayed. governor bush: