bs instead of worrying about taxes and inefficient regulations. it also means job creators can find new opportunities to expand the economy. it means every american who wants to find a good paying job and a fulfilling career has the opportunity to do just that. that's what a balanced budget means for our nation and it's what the american people deserve. congress is under new management and by working together to find shared ground on common sense solutions we can deliver real results and real progress. thank you for listening. >> tomorrow on "washington journal" douglas shaw a former white house special assistant for arms control discusses the latest in the iranian nuclear negotiations. then thomas hungerford of the economic policy institute and romina boccia looks at the

budget plans. after that the center for strategic and international studies, carl meacham, talks about why president obama declared venezuela a national security threat to the u.s. plus your phone calls, facebook comments, and tweets. "washington journal" live sunday at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. sunday on "newsmakers" adam shift talks about the hillary clinton e-mail story and the future of the fisa court. he currently serves as ranking member on the house intelligence committee and also discusses cyber security issues and a possible reorganization of the c.i.a. watch "newsmakers" sunday at 10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. on c-span. the secret service director joseph clancy testifies on an incident in which two secret service agents allegedly drove into a white house barricade while drunk. he spoke in front of a house appropriations subcommittee and you can see his comments sunday at 10:30 a.m. eastern also on

c-span. c-span created by america's cable companies 35 years ago and brought to you as a public service by your local cable or satellite provider. >> welcome to the international convention in las vegas. this is where a lot of the new technology is shown every year telecommunications are also presented. we're going to take a tour with tim moynihan. tim, we're in the lg booth here. what's in here that made you want to see this booth? >> you name it. lg makes a lot of things. my primary area of coverage is television. lg is a very unique company in terms of making televisions because they make oled sets which is people see it as the

future of picture quality. they're just very expensive, very hard to make. so lg right now is the only one really making that scale. >> is it considered high technology anymore to make a television? >> yes. most televisions right now are computers. i mean, there are tv's in this booth that have 10 core processors and all the integrated functionality for the web, streaming stuff, more k is a huge thing. it needs a lot of processing power. those are the big buzz words this year. 4k something called quantum dot and lg is unique in that they have oled sets. >> behind me it says 8k. >> we're already beyond 4k now. these are basically prototypes. there is one sharpe tv coming out that is going to be simulated 8k. we're talking about steps up in resolution. you think about it as the jump from standard definition to high definition. this is four times the resolution of high definition.

so it's crystal clear. it's sort of the next wave. this is the first year more and more people might start buying 4k tv's. >> mr. moynihan, a couple years ago 3d tv was the big talk. >> yes. >> but that doesn't seem to have gone anywhere. >> it did not. a lot of 3d tv's were sold because most tv's just had 3d features built in. so you saw a lot of market research where it was like everybody is buying 3d tv's. they didn't really have a choice because everything had it. i don't think anybody is watching 3d at home. this is more of a difference, you know, standard definition, high definition, people weren't want that crystal clear picture and this just brings it to another level. >> are people still buying tv's? we hear so much about people watching on their mobile device. >> yes. this is sort of the first moment where people have an excuse to spend a lot of money to buy a new tv. hd has gone from what, 10 years ago or so, it sort of took off. there was a boom in hd tv's.

this is probably the year for 4k. that's probably two years from now. what we're seeing this year is a lot more content services delivered in 4k and a lot more sets becoming more affordable, still talking a few thousand dollars in most cases. there are a few around a thousand or $2,000. the longer you wait the cheaper they're going to get and the more content is going to be available. >> tim moynihan, did you come here to lg to see -- >> our oled is right over here. this he have a shape shifting oled tv which is pretty amazing. you'll see it over here. >> what does that mean? >> it goes from a curved display to a flat display by remote control. that's this one right here. this is going to be their top of the line tv. a 77-inch. you'll see it's beautiful. it'll start curving in and will curve back out. you can do that with the remote control. i think she is operating it. how you doing?

>> good. how are you? >> so she's making it curve right now. what exactly are you doing to this tv? >> well, i press the remote control and i'm changing it from the flat screen to the curved screen as we look down right now and you can see that's the curved screen. i hit it again and it'll go back to being a flat screen. >> what does the curve do? how does that affect the tv picture? >> basically the reason why you have the curve on the oled is you look at your eyes and they have a curve. when you look at a curved screen from your eye to the screen you get a more immersive view. >> when will this be on the market >> we have no idea. >> it'll be like $200 right? >> exactly. >> it'll be more? >> so this is a prototype at this point? >> no. this is scheduled to be released. a lot of the prototypes you'll see like the 8k tv back there they're not going to come to market just yet. this is planned for their lineup this year. as you can see oled, the

benefits of it with a normal tv which is l.e.d. backed with l.c.d. tv's, there's always a source of light coming through in the black, right? if you look when the picture is black on an l.e.d. tv, there will be a little gray. this is the pure absence of light. that makes the contrast. you see the bright colors. they look incredible. the colors really pop off of that. just beautiful right? these are still prohibitively expensive. >> what do you mean? >> well, lg is the only one really making o.l.e.d. sets right now. the ones last year which were 1080p i think now you can get in the mid 3,000 to 4,000 but that's a price cut when they were launched i think they were around 15 grand. so this is -- prices are coming down quickly. >> what does o.l.e.d. stand for? >> organic light emitting die ode. so it's similar to l. he d.

people think l.e.d. and o.l.e.d. are the same but they're very different technologies. l.e.d. refers to the back light system. so l.e.d. back light to color liquid crystal display and this one is actually using the individual o.l.e.d. particles to, as a source of light. they can be turned on and turned off independently. with an l.e.d. set, you're always going to see some sort of light sweeping through there. to my eyes this is pretty amazing. right? i mean, this is 4k and o.l.e.d. which is sort of the two big buzz words at this year's show and have been for a few years. this is sort of the holy grail of tv's i think. >> what else did you want to see? >> we'll go over -- there are so many to pick from. let's go to 8k i guess. i mean this one is going to be a prototype. >> what does 8k stand for?

>> it's basically 8,000 lines of resolution, you know, 4 k is 4,000 lines of resolution on the vertical axis, right? so this is four times as sharp as 4k. >> today when we buy a tv we go to the store and buy a tv, how many lines of resolution are there? >> that's 1080p. that's 2k. people are buying it -- calling it 2k because it's 1920 by -- wait. 1920 by 1080. >> and the 4k's are on the market. they're everywhere. the price is starting to come down, correct? >> yes. the price is starting to come down but it is still a little bit expensive. i know it's lg in particular is coming out with more 4k sets than 1080p sets. this is sort of a breaking point in terms of what will be available. >> in your view from wired magazine is lg one of the leaders in television technology? >> yeah.

lg, samsung, sony. all the big players. sharpe. you know, there's a couple chinese companies that are coming out t.c.l., which are sort of huge chinese television manufacturers that are just starting to come to the u.s. they're starting to break nah it because they're offering similar technology like really good, high end technology at lower prices. they both have done smart things like build roku into their tv's, a streaming platform. but they have now sets with that integrated so they're making really smart pushes into the u.s. market. they might not be household names like lg or sony or samsung but they're coming up. >> all right. 8k. >> 8k. it looks like paper right? you can't see individual pixels. you can get really close to that and you won't see any pixels. >> that is pretty amazing.

>> it's hard to even -- i mean, it's so sharp. >> now are we looking -- it's probably hard to see on the camera but are we looking at a 3d screen here? >> no. it looks like 3d because it is so sharp and you're not used to a televised picture looking that sharp. it looks like moving photographs, right? it looks like -- it's incredible. >> what struck me about all these tv's is how thin they are. >> yes, yes. a lot of that o.l.e.d. that's supposed to be the capable of being the thinnest and also is flexible as you saw where you can curve it and then go back to flat. they're doing a lot of things you'll see i think at the sony booth, super thin tv's that are actually l.e.d. tv's with quantum dot technology which is another thing to talk about. >> proprietary for sony? >> not proprietary for sony. i just learned this yesterday

actually. there are a lot of companies coming out with things that are either quantum dot or their own proprietary names. what quantum dot does is a layer of nanoparticles they're calling them that they're very easily controlled by light. so they can glow a certain shade of red or green. what that does is it improves the overall picture quality because l.e.d.'s by nature kind of have a harsh orb of light. this is basically a tuning mechanism between the l.e.d.'s and the panel that makes the colors very vibrant and very accurate. that's different technology. but you'll see quantum dot. lg has a quantum dot right over here. >> let's look at it. >> why quantum dot exists is because o.l.e.d. is very expensive to make and to buy. so this is cheaper.

it's based on an l.e.d./l.c.d. set but with an extra layer. so -- >> even the glass has become pretty high tech. >> right. yes. i don't know much about the glass. but, yeah. it seems like in the past few years they've done amazing things with antiglare technology. you can see here it's the quantum dot. these are quantum dots. >> ultra hd quantum dot. >> every company has -- well, quantum dot is the panel technology. that was the nanoparticle thing i talked about. that is basically the color tuning technology. and the reason it exists is because everybody wants to make

an o.l.e.d. tv but they're prohibitively expensive to make and to buy. so this is based on l.e.d. or l.c.d. technology and it's much cheaper to make. l.c.d. is very, you know, a mature platform. people can sort of turn out l.c.d. tv's. that's why you can find them so cheaply. this is going to be more than an l.e.d. tv but the picture quality is pretty amazing. >> what's hard here is walking through these crowds because nobody -- nobody is really looking straight ahead. everybody is looking at tv's and stuff. you know increasingly people are just on their phones all the time especially me and my team wired because we're trying to cover this whole show using cell phones for the second year in a row. >> right. >> this year we're not allowed to recharge our phones using wall sockets. >> what is the philosophy? why is that? >> the philosophy is that the last year it was sort of an

example of like, hey, things that fit in your pocket are in some ways better than exist -- previous technology in being able to cover a show like this. you can do everything you need to on a pocket device and it's lighter. you can do things like take pictures and video while you're going and post it immediately. so that's an advantage that actual mobile devices have over lap tops. >> those are a struggle to bring around this show. you know be? everything weighs you down a little bit. >> all right. we are at samsung with this wall of amazing tv's. what are we looking at? >> yes. this is samsung's spin on quantum dot, which they don't call quantum dot. it's their own proprietary spin on it. the most someone at samsung would say to me is that it's similar but it's different because they did a lot more things. but it's a very similar technology. what you'll see is the colors are crazy vibrant. they really pop off the screen.

that's what, you know, the quantum dot technology is supposed to do. so sort of a proof piece that these are stunning sets that can sort of rival the image quality of o.l.e.d. >> okay. if you want to get pictures like this at home, do you connect it to, i mean, and you just plug in your tv and you don't have cable or satellite or anything, does it work as well that way or does it work better when you can connect it through cable? >> yes. everything you are seeing here is a demo, right? so what makes the 4k thing very, very different from any other resolution that's happened in the past is the primary form of delivery this year for 4k sets will be over the internet. and we're talking about very, very big beefy files. and i think only 17% of u.s. households have internet connection that's rated to be able to handle that sort of

data regularly without stuttering. if you've ever watched netflix at home in 1080p sometimes it'll buffer, stop, go. i think washington, d.c. where you live has some of the best internet service in the country so maybe not. but it's sort of different. broadcast -- i talked to someone who works in the tv industry. they're estimating broadcast forte is five or six years away so this is a new revolution where streaming is going to be the main source of content. now later this year, there will be blue ray disks for forte. that's slated for later this year. we're not there yet. i know directv and i think dish network are going to have satellite services in 4k. but for now you need to stream your stuff and you're going to need like a pretty hefty internet connection to be able to do that. the booths we've gone to have been companies that make a lot of different things. like sony makes everything.

samsung makes everything. lg makes everything. so they sort of have the biggest presence at these shows. >> all right. what are you going to show us here at sony? >> this is the -- >> step up. i think you want to do a demonstration. >> so this is a penny. right? and it's like it's, what, a fifth of a penny wide? it's crazy. it seems like a piece of plywood. but it's a 4k tv. it has quantum dot but they're not calling it quantum dot technology. so it's the highest quality picture and the thinnest tv i've ever seen. it seems like those two things could not possibly go together but this is thinner than an iphone. it's thinner than most cell phones out there. i mean, it's -- >> this is on the market? >> it's coming out. usually the tv's announced at the show come out in the spring

or the fall. but this is the big show piece for all of them. >> you see something this thin and the picture again as clear as it is, is this a 4k? >> 4k, yes. >> what would that sell for? >> this? i'm assuming this is going to be -- i don't know but probably five to $6,000 i would assume. probably. but you can see it's just -- this is like impossibly thin. it doesn't look like it's possible right? >> right. >> what i'm worried about with them is -- it feels like this thing could blow over. it does have a little face but they're saying you can mount this from the bottom on a wall pretty easily. >> so what's the technology in this tv? what are we talking about? what is contained in this back side? >> well, this is -- has an l.e.d. back light system. and then it has a layer of the

quantum dots that they're not calling them quantum dots. i think they call it triluminos display. that's their name for it. and, honestly, quantum dot i'm not sure why people are calling it different things. i think it's because they all put their own propriety spin on the technology or they start with the concept and then develop outward in different directions. so this is, you know, an l.e.d. -- a next generation l.c.d./l.e.d. panel. it's not o.l.e.d. o.l.e.d., lg is the only one making them right now. what all of these companies are trying to do is make something that's like o.l.e.d. but cheaper to make for them and cheaper to buy. because people see an o.l.e.d. set and they're like i want that and oh, it's $10,000. then they can't afford that.

so these are sort of technologies that are meant to over time get cheaper and cheaper until, you know, this just becomes your standard set. >> so we toured different televisions. >> yes. >> some of the bigger companies. what are you going to write about tonight in "wired"? >> i have to use my cell phone to do it. >> right. but what's going to be your lead? >> well, the way we're covering the show is like traditional stories. i've written the big stories, the deep dives, the analysis type stuff comes after the show because i still haven't seen everything here. it's impossible to see everything here. but i'll be here until thursday doing meetings and going around to booths and everything and by that time i'll know what the major trends are. there are already obvious ones. you know, the curved displays, that transform from curved to flat that's a new one. so things like that, just keeping track of what's going on and taking stock of it and then following up with all these companies and interviewing people that were involved in the process of developing it.

i love seeing it but it's exhausting. i love the fact that you come to this and it's everything in one building. if you like technology at all it's just a dream world. a lot of people knock it because it's so chaotic and hard on you but you just have to run around and look at things and, you know ask questions and, you know, follow what's going on from year to year and it becomes really interesting. >> while we have you here is there anything that we're missing that we haven't seen that you want to show us? >> wow. sure. yes. sharpe. sharpe has the first 4k tv that upscales to something that looks like 8k. so it's -- >> that's their own technology? >> yes. this is the first set they are putting out that does that. it'll be out by the end of the year if you want to see it. >> let's go. >> this is another case where it's going to be expensive but it's a first step.

right? you see things that in two years might end up in your house. and -- >> tim moynihan, a lot of smaller manufacturers that are integral to the tv business, right? >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> well, it's a mix. >> it's a mix of things, right? like these are i believe these are action care -- another growing trend -- these action cameras. these action cameras that are super rugged. go pro is the most famous one. sony just announced one that does 4k video. that's another big thing. sony and panasonic are really the only two that have been active in making cam corders, consumer camcorders that shoot 4k. that's the other side of what's going on, right? if you're going to, you know, record your child's soccer game or baseball game eventually your eyes are just going to get used to 4k and you'll just want

everything in 4k. sort of like what happened with high definition and standard definition. so sharp is famous for making very big tv's. they have concentrated on 60 inches and up for the past few years. and what goes hand in hand with that is the upgrade in resolution. you want a bigger screen to be able to see the difference in a bigger resolution. the bigger you make a 1080p set the more you'll see picks els in that. it's like stretching, taking a two megapixel image and stretching it as far as it goes. so sharp last year introduced their first 4k tv's and now they have one that is a 4k tv that can upscale to something more like 8k. and they do this with

technology they introduced something called quantrons a few years ago. >> that's their own word? >> well, it's different. the subpixels make up each pixel so usually it's red, green, and blue colors. they mix and match them and that creates what you see with your eyes. like different colors with your eyes. they've added a yellow subpixel to that set so they have four subpixels for color and we'll go this way. >> all right. >> even i get lost here. but so they started off with having they claim a wider color gamut than other tv makers because they added this new subpixel technology. now what they've done is cut the subpixels in half horizontally and made them individually addressable by the set. so what it does is it actually increases what they're claiming the resolution of the panel

because it can create, you know, they're saying it's like 42 million more subpixels than other tv's. all that is probably mumbo jumbo. it's pretty technical. >> we have a pretty advanced audience. >> good. >> they follow you. all right. we're on our way to sharp. tim moynihan, we're coming up on sharp. we got toshiba here. >> yeah. >> all the companies we've been touring today should we consider them high end companies? >> yeah. well, obviously toshiba is pretty high end if they have a robot lady. >> hello. >> that is very -- an android. >> disturbing? is that disturbing? >> a little bit disturbing. >> you know, there's the robot that looks a little too much like a human. >> okay.

so the -- moving along --. >> how much are these going into theas products? >> well, that's what they make -- the companies that i've -- the lg's, samsungs, the sonys, and sharp, i would say, and a lot of other companies are doing it, too, but in the past few years i've kind of seen them come up with more leaps and bounds in the tv rem. another company we were talking about, vizio, they've been great. i think they're number one brand in the u.s. or were number one brand in the u.s. and they came out last year with a 4k tv that cost a thousand dollars. so i don't know what's going on. that's weird. you see some weird things here. >> you do.

>> so sharp -- >> out of japan, isn't it? >> yes. they have huge, huge tv's. and what goes hand and hand with huge tv's is increase in resolution. you'll see here, we saw it at lg with the 8k tv. i think this one is even better. i believe it is over here. >> the most life like? >> yes, yes. >> all right. >> oh, excuse me. >> sorry. >> all right. these thing to be a little thicker than the tv's we've been looking at. >> yes. >> more like the old style. >> yes. these i believe the reason for that, this is a full array, which is the back light system is for l.e.d./l.c.d. sets they are basically to -- >> it says android tv on top of

that. >> yeah. that's a new thing that's coming out. i'll talk about it. the back light system, the reason it's thicker is it is a polar eight back light system which means the entire panel is addressed by l.e.d. back lights. in a lot of them there will be edge light where there are just rows directed by things inside the tv just to face forward. android tv is a big thing that's going to happen this year also that google developed, a tv platform. i played around with it on one device, the nexus player. that was sort of google's little set top device, the first one was android tv. it's interesting. what it really does is it makes youtube content really tv friendly. i don't think, you know, people don't think of youtube as watching it on tv but this has voice control where you can just say a key word and then you just get a bunch of videos to watch based on that key word. so that is a platform that a lot of manufacturers are building in.

sony is another one of them that has android tv's. sharp is another one. there will probably be more vendors coming out with it. so that's an exciting thoing watch this year. as streaming becomes more and more main stream and it's going to have to because that's the only way to watch 4k right now, that's going to be a really important component of tv's is what they're running under the hood. >> >> you want to show is a sharp tv. >> this is sharp in two ways. it is a four k tv. you can see how sharp that is. four k is sharp. this is taking it to another level. what they are showing here is 8k footage on a four k tv. four k is probably future proof.